WEBVTT - The Karol Markowicz Show: Why Did Ajit Pai Destroy the Internet? 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:09.840 Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio, 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:13.880 and welcome to my new timeslot. The Carol Markowitz Show 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:17.160 now airs Wednesdays and Fridays, so you can get this 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:21.120 non political podcast, The Carol Markowitz Show on Wednesdays and Fridays, 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.479 and then normally the political podcast I co host with 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:28.280 Mary Katherine Ham every Tuesday and Thursday. The only day 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.920 you don't get me is Monday. There was an article 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.040 in The New York Times a few days ago that 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:37.320 caused a stir. In it, a feminist playwright argues that 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.640 women focused too much on wanting men to be breadwinners, 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.720 and the men weren't succeeding at the same rate as 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.000 women were forced to vote for Donald Trump. On My 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:51.400 political show Normally yesterday we got into the politics of it, 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.920 and how funny it is that The New York Times 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:59.800 is blaming women for not wanting to settle for Trump selection. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.040 But here I want to talk about the culture part. 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.959 I know this is supposed to be a pro woman article, 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.400 but the writer ends up arguing that women should lower 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.959 their standards. How is that pro women? She writes that 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.679 women should quote let go of the male breadwinner. Norm 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.199 do women want a man who can take care of them? Yes, 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:24.120 of course, but what does that really mean. Once stat 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.080 in the piece is that men like when women make 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:30.480 up to forty percent of their pay, but no more so. 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.240 It's also funny because they get into women wanting a provider, 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:38.880 but then blame the men for wanting a woman that 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.520 they could provide for as well. My husband sent me 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.840 that stat and wrote, He'll set aside his pride and 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.000 let me go to two hundred percent. Haha. But that's 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.440 the thing. If I do make two hundred percent of 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.160 what my husband makes, he won't be threatened by it 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.080 and he won't be taking care of me any less. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.960 The question really is what happens if my two hundred 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.880 percent goes to zero? Because what I think goes on 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.120 said in studies on income and that kind of thing, 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:09.560 is that in the back of the minds of many 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.680 women is the idea that they may want to step 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.240 away from their high earning role to be with their children. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:20.520 I know plenty of super type A doctors and lawyers 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.480 who gave it all up to be with their kids. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.040 But you can only do that if your husband makes 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.000 enough to support the family. But we don't talk about 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.679 that because it's easier to have gender wars and talk 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.680 about how men aren't thriving and how women have to 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.600 tone down their ambition for them. But that's really not 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.960 it at all, And to flip it to the man's perspective, 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.720 I think the idea if a woman is making two 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.079 hundred percent the man's salary is that she just won't 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.720 be there. Very often men have a vision for how 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.560 their family life will go if their women is a 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.120 higher earner, and it might not be appealing to them. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.960 When my husband jokes about me making two hundred percent 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.560 of his pay, he means and key being the same 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.119 hours I currently have and travel and all the rest 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.440 of that that I do. Now my workday every day 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.040 is done by three pm, so I can pick up 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.680 my kids from school and be with them. Not sure 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.520 he should be counting on that two hundred percent anytime 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.240 soon if he wants that to continue. One thing I 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.520 talk about on this show is what we want versus 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.760 what we're supposed to want. If you want to be 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.959 a wife who will be home with the kids more 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.840 often than not, yes, you will be looking for a 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.760 man who makes more money than you. Do to support 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.920 you and the family. But it takes admitting that to yourself, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.520 and then it takes not listening to the New York 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.640 Times when they tell you to settle for less. Coming 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:45.080 up my interview with a Jeet Pie. 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My guest today is a 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:07.960 jeep Pie, former FCC chair and current partner at Searchlight Capital. 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:09.640 So nice to have you on, Aje. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:12.440 Great to be with you, Carol, Thanks for having me on. 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:14.000 I'm going to have to start. 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.400 The first question is the obvious one. Why did you 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:21.640 destroy the Internet? What was the problem? We liked the 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.000 Internet and then you like took it away from us. 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:24.560 Why. 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.760 I know, I've always thought in life that one should 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.560 set big goals and then really try your best to 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.599 accomplish them. And for me, there was no bigger goal, 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.600 you know, since the dawn of the commercial Internet in 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.640 the nineteen nineties, then getting rid of it. So yeah, 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.520 I did everything I could during my time in office 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:43.520 to do so. But it was kind of funny looking 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:47.640 back on it now, like all the hyperbolic stuff twenty seventeen, 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.200 twenty eighte eight about how we were destroying it it's 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.200 pretty obvious now in twenty twenty four that wasn't something 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:54.000 I succeeded at. 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.680 But you again and tried real hard, and you know, 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:01.320 I just didn't quite get there. But seriously, looking back 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.520 at that time, it was crazy. 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.559 You getting threats, You had people coming to your home. 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:12.719 The hysteria was like nothing I had seen before for 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:18.400 an issue like that, like, you know, judicial appointments, maybe wars, 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:19.760 an FCC chair. 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.240 I don't even think I could name our FCC chair 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:22.680 right now. 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:23.840 I don't know who it is. 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.880 Yeah, So that was kind of a crazy time. 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.560 It really was. And I was just talking about this 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.520 with some of my former teammates a couple of weeks ago. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.359 It's kind of odds and funny to look back on 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:41.520 it now, but at the time it was pretty all consuming. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.359 As you pointed out, it was not pleasant for me 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.240 and my family, and a couple of people went to 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.479 jail as a result of it, one for threatening to 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.479 murder my kids. You had to spend money, thousands of 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.000 dollars on that security system from my house. It is 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.479 down in the safe room. My personal email was act 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.160 you're just going around. I had to have security, which 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:02.960 is not my norm you know, like I like to 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.160 be unadorned and you know, meet people and be friendly, 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.680 and so it was just a really awful time for 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.520 me personally and for our team generally. And yeah, no 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.600 to me, at least now with their benefit of hindsight, 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.320 it's pretty obvious now that there's sort of a paranoid 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.080 style among a certain segment of the American populist that 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:26.000 they'll pick a random issue that is typically chosen by 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.960 some so called comedian or a grandstanding politician or a 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:34.200 self interested so called a public interest group, and they'll 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.320 just say, this is the apocalypse if we don't stop it, 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.840 and you know, the world's going to end, and whoever 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.080 is the leading the change in that regard is going 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.600 to become the devil incarnate for that day or week 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.400 or month or year. And so, you know, it passed 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.360 on for me, and now it's on to other people. 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.400 And I'm quite sure when the new administration takes over, 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.880 they're going to be plenty more people who are the 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.760 focus of their eyre. I would love to see a 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.560 day when the public discourse actually focuses on the merits 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.920 of an issue and try to look at soberly what 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.720 the puts in takes are it's kind of that's so adorable. 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.640 I know that's not going to happen, but you wouldn't 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.440 expect it. Going from the Title one Title C classification 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.960 of broadbanded Title one would like lead millions of people 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.440 to lose their minds. That's so here we are. 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:23.880 Yeah, so you really miss it. Obviously. 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.080 I don't miss that issue, but I do miss the 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.800 work we did. We really got a lot done during 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.520 those four years. And now it's kind of gratifying when 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.880 I see people in airports or grocery stores and they 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.400 recognize me, we'll act you point out something we did 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.480 that has made their lives scatter. It's kind of nice 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.720 in a way. It's not something you typically hear as 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:42.400 a former. 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.720 Federal regulator, right, And I don't feel like that's not 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:45.720 typical at all. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:50.079 So I first, I mean, you were the FCC chair. 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.360 I knew who you were, but I first heard you 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.920 at the Reason dinner in New York. 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.679 Now, people who don't know Reason is a libertarian magazine. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.880 Conservative but I love those crazy libertarians and I love 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.839 going to their stuff. It's always the best parties. Libertarians 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.319 really do host the best parties. So you spoke at 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.920 that dinner and you were really funny, and I was like, oh, 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:13.240 I didn't know they do that in. 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:18.160 The federal government. So how did you get into this world? 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:22.160 What was your because you don't seem like the cutout, 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:23.800 you know, bureaucrat guy. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.280 You seem like you're maybe destined for more. 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.720 Well, you're very very kind. I think if you asked 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.760 my mom, she would say I still haven't accomplished my 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.120 true calling, which is to go to medical school and 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:36.440 finally make something myself. 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.840 As he got it Russian Indian culture sort of similar. Yeah, 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:41.760 everybody should be a. 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.000 Doctor exactly one hundred percent. Thanks for the kind of 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:46.800 words about the reason dinner. That was such a great night, 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.800 and I still remember that the aura in that place, 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.680 the Art deco look of the place, and the good 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.160 time that was had by all. And so I would 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.160 like to think there's something more than my libations that 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:02.240 made me funny. So I'm glad, but are good too, absolutely, 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.200 But yeah, no, for me, it was really I sometimes 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.080 joke that I'm the Forest Gump of the DC world. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.480 That I moved to Washington in nineteen ninety eight not 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.280 really knowing anybody other than my lost roommate, and not 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.319 really knowing what I wanted to do other than work 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.360 at the Justice Department, which is the reason I moved 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:21.040 here to work on antitrust in telecom M and A 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.920 in the late nineties. Didn't have a plan beyond that, 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.720 and just kept going from job to job and increasing 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:31.360 levels of responsibility, increasing levels of interest to me and 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.120 public sector in private sector, and just happened to be 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.199 in the right place at the right time. In twenty eleven, 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.400 when Senator McConnell's office called and said, Hey, would you 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.400 been interested in interviewing for this position? There's going to 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.440 be an opening, A lightning struck, And then of course 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.200 lightning struck again in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen when 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.160 President Trump Donald Trump was elected president. Then he in January, 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.840 once inaugurated, he designated to be as chairman of the Agency. 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:01.439 Free It is medical school next right that this it's 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:02.760 the table hair. 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.760 But no, no, certainly not that. But I feel extraordinarily blessed, 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.319 and to the point that I see you often voicing 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.640 on Twitter and others too. There's something really unique about 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.160 this country that there are things, there are paths like 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.960 that that can happen if you can worked hard, if 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.400 you believe, and if you just embrace that opportunity that 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.840 America offers you, and it's there's nothing like it in 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:29.160 the world. I know that family is far flong, from 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.000 India to Australia to the UK. There's something special about 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:33.920 the US, there absolutely is. 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.960 So what advice would you give your sixteen year old 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.520 self if you're you know, doing this all over again? 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:41.920 My god? I mean, the first thing would be to 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.520 try to address some of the aesthetic challenges that confronted 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.440 me when I was sixteen, nineteen eighty nine. Mustache, braces, 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.679 bushy hair, it was a total disaster. But overlooking that, 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.880 I would say, you know, really just keep your nose 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.240 to the grindstone and do the best you can and 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.080 whatever the job is that you're doing. And I know 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.680 it sounds mundane, but at that time, as kind of 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.480 a scrawny Indian kid in rural Kansas in the late eighties, 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.800 never even occurred to me that somebody like me could 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.040 be in a position or to have a career path 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.080 that I've had. It just seemed like that was so 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.000 far out of reach, and my parents were really focused 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.000 on the medical they're both doctors. They're just focus on 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.680 very They had no idea. It never seemed to me 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.640 that that was something that I could get into. And 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.960 so just really work hard and have faith that when 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.840 the time comes, the door of opportunity will open and 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.040 you'll be ready to go through it. And I think 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.319 a lot of kids now, especially now in the social 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.000 media age, think, Okay, there's always going to be a 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.880 very quick and easy path to think incremental and painful 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.120 gains are just not worth it or not likely to 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.200 yield things. I tend to be a believer in sort 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.760 of the professional version of compound interests, that you know, 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.520 if you keep building and adding to your resume and 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:56.040 working hard and impressing your bosses, that pays major dividends 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:56.800 at the end of the day. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.319 How did your family end up in Kansas? 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.480 So there were both doctors. They in those days, I 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.360 was born in Buffalo, that we moved to Canada for 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.040 three years. And at the end of our time in Canada. 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:11.079 In those days, medical journals advertised in the classified section 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.120 at the back, we needed a doctor in this hospital. 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.000 Here's the salary. Contact us for information. And they were 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.359 looking for a hospital that needed both of their specialties, 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.640 my dad's e relogius, my mom's nanciodyelgist. So they found 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.560 three hospitals that qualified, went in Montana, went in Texas, 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.880 and went in Kansas. And they flew to Kansas and 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:30.680 I think it was late seventy seven to take a 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.840 look at the town. And they were like, this is it. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:34.760 We don't even need to look at here in Texas. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.680 So they moved there, didn't know anybody. And I still 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.120 remember very vividly moving to our new house and yeah, 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.360 I'd been used to relatively big cities Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.120 and I've never seen a place like this, and it 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.000 at first it was kind of jarring, of course as 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.280 a four or five year old kid, but it was 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.320 the greatest decision they could have made. I think that 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.720 was the perfect place for me and my sister to 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:01.320 be at that time, especially given my personality the way 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.840 I kind of developed. I know it sounds hard to believe, 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.600 but I was really shy and awkward and in proverted 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.959 it let me, I know, I know, but it really blessed. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.600 It was a blessing in disguise, and it had things like, 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.920 you know, a really good debate program, and a fantastic 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.880 orchestra teacher. I play violin and so that helped me develop. 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.360 It was just a great, great place to grow up 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:21.920 and just being out in the country. We live on 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.720 a dirt road outside of town, so yeah, getting time 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.080 to just walk around in the outdoors was fantastic. 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:28.880 It's amazing. 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.600 I've never been to Kansas. It's definitely somewhere that I've 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:33.080 had on my list. 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.600 I've heard just everybody who's ever been from there is 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:38.960 like it is the greatest state. It just gets a 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:43.000 kind of reputation for people defending it and like saying 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:44.840 amazing things about it in a way I think. 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:45.800 A lot of other states don't. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.480 Some people call it Kansas, some people call it's Guts Country. 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.400 It's really really whichever one you prefer. 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:53.640 You guys, you know you have a good football team. 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.240 Although is do they play in Kansas or they playing Missouri. 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.320 They technically play on the Missouri side, which more not 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.280 just East coast, friends remind me. But it's right off 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:07.560 the state line, and so yeah, and you're the best barbecue, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:09.120 I would argue it is on the Kansas side of 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:13.720 the border. So it's yeah, the greater Kansas city metro area. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.080 I think Kansas claims for its own I got it. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.760 Yeah, I mean Missouri like stole the name. They how 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.080 do they even go around calling it Kansas City. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:26.520 It's ridiculous, It's yeah, no, And that's the thing I never, 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.120 I never, like take any flak from some of these 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.120 East Coasters and mock us red. Look, the Midwest is 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.560 just a haven for greatness, and don't be jealous with 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.200 all we accomplished. Just try to embrace it. 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They don't and they can't. 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:20.679 Switch to America's only Christian conservative mobile provider, Patriot Mobile. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:25.119 Go to Patriotmobile dot com, slash ka ro l or 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.000 call nine seven to two Patriot for your free month 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:29.000 of service today. 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:36.080 So were your parents immigrants to the US they were so. 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.120 Yeah, they moved here in nineteen seventy one. My dad 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:42.800 came in May, my mom in December. Yeah. They in 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.080 those days you had to as medical students who just graduated, 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.879 get to redo your residency, and that's why they moved Canada. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.760 I was born in Buffalo, where they moved, but then 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:53.359 a year later we moved to Kanada so they can 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.240 do the residencies. And then once they were done there, 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.280 they were just sick of Pierre Trudeau's socialism, moved right 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.400 back to the US and be a state here ever since. 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.639 And you will never find a more die hard group 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:09.440 of American loving people than those like them. And I'm 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:10.880 sure you've seen it in your family too. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:11.679 Sure, Yeah, I. 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.439 Have a very similar story. My father was a doctor. 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.040 We moved her from the Soviet Union. He had to 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.959 redo all the exams, drove a cab like you know, 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:20.960 I had to read your residency in the whole thing. 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.160 It's incredible, isn't it. I'm sure you hear stories from 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.600 him too. But because they know what the delta is 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.159 between where they left and where they are, and nobody 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.240 takes that for granted in that generation. So I wish 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.639 we could do have that same ethos, but right, and 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.199 I'm so used to it now, I think a lot 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:38.240 of us do take it care. 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:40.840 So how do you instill that in your kids? Because 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.120 I think about that all the time. 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.560 My kids live this magical American life and they've never 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:49.440 known anything else, and they've never had, thankfully, any serious strife. Right, 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.119 But if you never have strife, how do you raise 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:57.240 kind of grateful children who become well functioning adults. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.919 It's hard, and I wouldn't benefit of being the d 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.040 area is that I can tell them and show them 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.560 a lot of these things. So we go to Arlington 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.720 National Cemetery for example, Memorial Day, or we walk around 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.000 the Washington Monument and talk about President Washington. Or when 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:13.880 we're on the road, I've taken them to Independence Hall 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.040 in Philadelphia and we've done the three hour tour where 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.040 we just go through yea even small things. We were 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:23.760 in Arizona for spring break this past year and after 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.080 we hike Campbell back Mountain nine sister that we go 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.919 to the Bury Goldwater Memorial and they're grousing like, oh, 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.879 we're tired. It's odd, both like, no, You've got to 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.680 go out and see this memorial and we just started 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.600 talking about Goldwater's life. And so my hope is that 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:41.479 they're not tuning out all of that because such an 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.960 important aide. They're thirteen and eleven now, and I really 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.800 want to make sure that before the onslaught of America 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:51.200 slucks comes at them, that they have a core foundation 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.800 of believing in what this country is. Even if we're 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.639 imperfect at times, we are always seeking to build a 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.280 more perfect union. And there's something special about that that 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:00.719 I want them to to remember. 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.159 Yeah, I mean, if it makes you feel better. I 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.200