1 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio, 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: and welcome to my new timeslot. The Carol Markowitz Show 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: now airs Wednesdays and Fridays, so you can get this 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: non political podcast, The Carol Markowitz Show on Wednesdays and Fridays, 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: and then normally the political podcast I co host with 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: Mary Katherine Ham every Tuesday and Thursday. The only day 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: you don't get me is Monday. There was an article 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: in The New York Times a few days ago that 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: caused a stir. In it, a feminist playwright argues that 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: women focused too much on wanting men to be breadwinners, 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: and the men weren't succeeding at the same rate as 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: women were forced to vote for Donald Trump. On My 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: political show Normally yesterday we got into the politics of it, 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: and how funny it is that The New York Times 15 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: is blaming women for not wanting to settle for Trump selection. 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: But here I want to talk about the culture part. 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: I know this is supposed to be a pro woman article, 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: but the writer ends up arguing that women should lower 19 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: their standards. How is that pro women? She writes that 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: women should quote let go of the male breadwinner. Norm 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 1: do women want a man who can take care of them? Yes, 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: of course, but what does that really mean. Once stat 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: in the piece is that men like when women make 24 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: up to forty percent of their pay, but no more so. 25 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: It's also funny because they get into women wanting a provider, 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: but then blame the men for wanting a woman that 27 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: they could provide for as well. My husband sent me 28 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: that stat and wrote, He'll set aside his pride and 29 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: let me go to two hundred percent. Haha. But that's 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: the thing. If I do make two hundred percent of 31 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: what my husband makes, he won't be threatened by it 32 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: and he won't be taking care of me any less. 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: The question really is what happens if my two hundred 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: percent goes to zero? Because what I think goes on 35 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: said in studies on income and that kind of thing, 36 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: is that in the back of the minds of many 37 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: women is the idea that they may want to step 38 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: away from their high earning role to be with their children. 39 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: I know plenty of super type A doctors and lawyers 40 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: who gave it all up to be with their kids. 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: But you can only do that if your husband makes 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: enough to support the family. But we don't talk about 43 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: that because it's easier to have gender wars and talk 44 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: about how men aren't thriving and how women have to 45 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: tone down their ambition for them. But that's really not 46 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: it at all, And to flip it to the man's perspective, 47 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: I think the idea if a woman is making two 48 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: hundred percent the man's salary is that she just won't 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: be there. Very often men have a vision for how 50 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: their family life will go if their women is a 51 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: higher earner, and it might not be appealing to them. 52 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: When my husband jokes about me making two hundred percent 53 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: of his pay, he means and key being the same 54 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 1: hours I currently have and travel and all the rest 55 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: of that that I do. Now my workday every day 56 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: is done by three pm, so I can pick up 57 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: my kids from school and be with them. Not sure 58 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: he should be counting on that two hundred percent anytime 59 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: soon if he wants that to continue. One thing I 60 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: talk about on this show is what we want versus 61 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: what we're supposed to want. If you want to be 62 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: a wife who will be home with the kids more 63 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: often than not, yes, you will be looking for a 64 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: man who makes more money than you. Do to support 65 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: you and the family. But it takes admitting that to yourself, 66 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: and then it takes not listening to the New York 67 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: Times when they tell you to settle for less. Coming 68 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: up my interview with a Jeet Pie. 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My guest today is a 91 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: jeep Pie, former FCC chair and current partner at Searchlight Capital. 92 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: So nice to have you on, Aje. 93 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 4: Great to be with you, Carol, Thanks for having me on. 94 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to have to start. 95 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 5: The first question is the obvious one. Why did you 96 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 5: destroy the Internet? What was the problem? We liked the 97 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 5: Internet and then you like took it away from us. 98 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: Why. 99 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 4: I know, I've always thought in life that one should 100 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 4: set big goals and then really try your best to 101 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 4: accomplish them. And for me, there was no bigger goal, 102 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 4: you know, since the dawn of the commercial Internet in 103 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 4: the nineteen nineties, then getting rid of it. So yeah, 104 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 4: I did everything I could during my time in office 105 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 4: to do so. But it was kind of funny looking 106 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 4: back on it now, like all the hyperbolic stuff twenty seventeen, 107 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 4: twenty eighte eight about how we were destroying it it's 108 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 4: pretty obvious now in twenty twenty four that wasn't something 109 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 4: I succeeded at. 110 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: But you again and tried real hard, and you know, 111 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: I just didn't quite get there. But seriously, looking back 112 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: at that time, it was crazy. 113 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,559 Speaker 3: You getting threats, You had people coming to your home. 114 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 2: The hysteria was like nothing I had seen before for 115 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: an issue like that, like, you know, judicial appointments, maybe wars, 116 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: an FCC chair. 117 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: I don't even think I could name our FCC chair 118 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: right now. 119 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: I don't know who it is. 120 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was kind of a crazy time. 121 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 4: It really was. And I was just talking about this 122 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 4: with some of my former teammates a couple of weeks ago. 123 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 4: It's kind of odds and funny to look back on 124 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 4: it now, but at the time it was pretty all consuming. 125 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 4: As you pointed out, it was not pleasant for me 126 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 4: and my family, and a couple of people went to 127 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 4: jail as a result of it, one for threatening to 128 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 4: murder my kids. You had to spend money, thousands of 129 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 4: dollars on that security system from my house. It is 130 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 4: down in the safe room. My personal email was act 131 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 4: you're just going around. I had to have security, which 132 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 4: is not my norm you know, like I like to 133 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 4: be unadorned and you know, meet people and be friendly, 134 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 4: and so it was just a really awful time for 135 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 4: me personally and for our team generally. And yeah, no 136 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 4: to me, at least now with their benefit of hindsight, 137 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 4: it's pretty obvious now that there's sort of a paranoid 138 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 4: style among a certain segment of the American populist that 139 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 4: they'll pick a random issue that is typically chosen by 140 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 4: some so called comedian or a grandstanding politician or a 141 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 4: self interested so called a public interest group, and they'll 142 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 4: just say, this is the apocalypse if we don't stop it, 143 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 4: and you know, the world's going to end, and whoever 144 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 4: is the leading the change in that regard is going 145 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 4: to become the devil incarnate for that day or week 146 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 4: or month or year. And so, you know, it passed 147 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 4: on for me, and now it's on to other people. 148 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: And I'm quite sure when the new administration takes over, 149 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 4: they're going to be plenty more people who are the 150 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 4: focus of their eyre. I would love to see a 151 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 4: day when the public discourse actually focuses on the merits 152 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 4: of an issue and try to look at soberly what 153 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 4: the puts in takes are it's kind of that's so adorable. 154 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 4: I know that's not going to happen, but you wouldn't 155 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 4: expect it. Going from the Title one Title C classification 156 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 4: of broadbanded Title one would like lead millions of people 157 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 4: to lose their minds. That's so here we are. 158 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you really miss it. Obviously. 159 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 4: I don't miss that issue, but I do miss the 160 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 4: work we did. We really got a lot done during 161 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 4: those four years. And now it's kind of gratifying when 162 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: I see people in airports or grocery stores and they 163 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 4: recognize me, we'll act you point out something we did 164 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: that has made their lives scatter. It's kind of nice 165 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 4: in a way. It's not something you typically hear as 166 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 4: a former. 167 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: Federal regulator, right, And I don't feel like that's not 168 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: typical at all. 169 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 2: So I first, I mean, you were the FCC chair. 170 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: I knew who you were, but I first heard you 171 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: at the Reason dinner in New York. 172 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: Now, people who don't know Reason is a libertarian magazine. 173 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: Conservative but I love those crazy libertarians and I love 174 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: going to their stuff. It's always the best parties. Libertarians 175 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: really do host the best parties. So you spoke at 176 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: that dinner and you were really funny, and I was like, oh, 177 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: I didn't know they do that in. 178 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: The federal government. So how did you get into this world? 179 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: What was your because you don't seem like the cutout, 180 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, bureaucrat guy. 181 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 3: You seem like you're maybe destined for more. 182 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 4: Well, you're very very kind. I think if you asked 183 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 4: my mom, she would say I still haven't accomplished my 184 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 4: true calling, which is to go to medical school and 185 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 4: finally make something myself. 186 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: As he got it Russian Indian culture sort of similar. Yeah, 187 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: everybody should be a. 188 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 4: Doctor exactly one hundred percent. Thanks for the kind of 189 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 4: words about the reason dinner. That was such a great night, 190 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: and I still remember that the aura in that place, 191 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 4: the Art deco look of the place, and the good 192 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 4: time that was had by all. And so I would 193 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 4: like to think there's something more than my libations that 194 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 4: made me funny. So I'm glad, but are good too, absolutely, 195 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 4: But yeah, no, for me, it was really I sometimes 196 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 4: joke that I'm the Forest Gump of the DC world. 197 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: That I moved to Washington in nineteen ninety eight not 198 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 4: really knowing anybody other than my lost roommate, and not 199 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 4: really knowing what I wanted to do other than work 200 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 4: at the Justice Department, which is the reason I moved 201 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 4: here to work on antitrust in telecom M and A 202 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 4: in the late nineties. Didn't have a plan beyond that, 203 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 4: and just kept going from job to job and increasing 204 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 4: levels of responsibility, increasing levels of interest to me and 205 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 4: public sector in private sector, and just happened to be 206 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 4: in the right place at the right time. In twenty eleven, 207 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 4: when Senator McConnell's office called and said, Hey, would you 208 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 4: been interested in interviewing for this position? There's going to 209 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 4: be an opening, A lightning struck, And then of course 210 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 4: lightning struck again in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen when 211 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 4: President Trump Donald Trump was elected president. Then he in January, 212 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 4: once inaugurated, he designated to be as chairman of the Agency. 213 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 3: Free It is medical school next right that this it's 214 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 3: the table hair. 215 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 4: But no, no, certainly not that. But I feel extraordinarily blessed, 216 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 4: and to the point that I see you often voicing 217 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 4: on Twitter and others too. There's something really unique about 218 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 4: this country that there are things, there are paths like 219 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 4: that that can happen if you can worked hard, if 220 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 4: you believe, and if you just embrace that opportunity that 221 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 4: America offers you, and it's there's nothing like it in 222 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 4: the world. I know that family is far flong, from 223 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 4: India to Australia to the UK. There's something special about 224 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 4: the US, there absolutely is. 225 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 5: So what advice would you give your sixteen year old 226 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 5: self if you're you know, doing this all over again? 227 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 4: My god? I mean, the first thing would be to 228 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 4: try to address some of the aesthetic challenges that confronted 229 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 4: me when I was sixteen, nineteen eighty nine. Mustache, braces, 230 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 4: bushy hair, it was a total disaster. But overlooking that, 231 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 4: I would say, you know, really just keep your nose 232 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 4: to the grindstone and do the best you can and 233 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 4: whatever the job is that you're doing. And I know 234 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 4: it sounds mundane, but at that time, as kind of 235 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 4: a scrawny Indian kid in rural Kansas in the late eighties, 236 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 4: never even occurred to me that somebody like me could 237 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 4: be in a position or to have a career path 238 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 4: that I've had. It just seemed like that was so 239 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 4: far out of reach, and my parents were really focused 240 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 4: on the medical they're both doctors. They're just focus on 241 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 4: very They had no idea. It never seemed to me 242 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 4: that that was something that I could get into. And 243 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 4: so just really work hard and have faith that when 244 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 4: the time comes, the door of opportunity will open and 245 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 4: you'll be ready to go through it. And I think 246 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 4: a lot of kids now, especially now in the social 247 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 4: media age, think, Okay, there's always going to be a 248 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 4: very quick and easy path to think incremental and painful 249 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 4: gains are just not worth it or not likely to 250 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 4: yield things. I tend to be a believer in sort 251 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 4: of the professional version of compound interests, that you know, 252 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 4: if you keep building and adding to your resume and 253 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 4: working hard and impressing your bosses, that pays major dividends 254 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 4: at the end of the day. 255 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 3: How did your family end up in Kansas? 256 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 4: So there were both doctors. They in those days, I 257 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 4: was born in Buffalo, that we moved to Canada for 258 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 4: three years. And at the end of our time in Canada. 259 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 4: In those days, medical journals advertised in the classified section 260 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 4: at the back, we needed a doctor in this hospital. 261 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 4: Here's the salary. Contact us for information. And they were 262 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,359 Speaker 4: looking for a hospital that needed both of their specialties, 263 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 4: my dad's e relogius, my mom's nanciodyelgist. So they found 264 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 4: three hospitals that qualified, went in Montana, went in Texas, 265 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 4: and went in Kansas. And they flew to Kansas and 266 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 4: I think it was late seventy seven to take a 267 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 4: look at the town. And they were like, this is it. 268 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 4: We don't even need to look at here in Texas. 269 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 4: So they moved there, didn't know anybody. And I still 270 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 4: remember very vividly moving to our new house and yeah, 271 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 4: I'd been used to relatively big cities Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, 272 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 4: and I've never seen a place like this, and it 273 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 4: at first it was kind of jarring, of course as 274 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 4: a four or five year old kid, but it was 275 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 4: the greatest decision they could have made. I think that 276 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 4: was the perfect place for me and my sister to 277 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 4: be at that time, especially given my personality the way 278 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 4: I kind of developed. I know it sounds hard to believe, 279 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 4: but I was really shy and awkward and in proverted 280 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 4: it let me, I know, I know, but it really blessed. 281 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 4: It was a blessing in disguise, and it had things like, 282 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 4: you know, a really good debate program, and a fantastic 283 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 4: orchestra teacher. I play violin and so that helped me develop. 284 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 4: It was just a great, great place to grow up 285 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 4: and just being out in the country. We live on 286 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 4: a dirt road outside of town, so yeah, getting time 287 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 4: to just walk around in the outdoors was fantastic. 288 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 3: It's amazing. 289 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: I've never been to Kansas. It's definitely somewhere that I've 290 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: had on my list. 291 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 5: I've heard just everybody who's ever been from there is 292 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 5: like it is the greatest state. It just gets a 293 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 5: kind of reputation for people defending it and like saying 294 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 5: amazing things about it in a way I think. 295 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 3: A lot of other states don't. 296 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 4: Some people call it Kansas, some people call it's Guts Country. 297 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 4: It's really really whichever one you prefer. 298 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: You guys, you know you have a good football team. 299 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: Although is do they play in Kansas or they playing Missouri. 300 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 4: They technically play on the Missouri side, which more not 301 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: just East coast, friends remind me. But it's right off 302 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 4: the state line, and so yeah, and you're the best barbecue, 303 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 4: I would argue it is on the Kansas side of 304 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 4: the border. So it's yeah, the greater Kansas city metro area. 305 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 4: I think Kansas claims for its own I got it. 306 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Missouri like stole the name. They how 307 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: do they even go around calling it Kansas City. 308 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 4: It's ridiculous, It's yeah, no, And that's the thing I never, 309 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 4: I never, like take any flak from some of these 310 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 4: East Coasters and mock us red. Look, the Midwest is 311 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 4: just a haven for greatness, and don't be jealous with 312 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 4: all we accomplished. Just try to embrace it. And there's 313 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 4: plenty of room on the bandwagon for you, right. 314 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 3: I mean, especially now like the traffs Kelsey. 315 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: You know, my daughter was a Travis kelce pan before 316 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: she was a Taylor Swift fan, but now she's obviously 317 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: extra like she's like, this is the greatest coupling of 318 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: all time. 319 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 4: So my daughter was a chief fan too, but it's 320 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: definitely amped up ever since he started dating Taylor Swift. 321 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 4: It's as incredible. 322 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, they really have a good thing going more coming 323 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: up with a jeet. 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They in 350 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 4: those days you had to as medical students who just graduated, 351 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 4: get to redo your residency, and that's why they moved Canada. 352 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 4: I was born in Buffalo, where they moved, but then 353 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 4: a year later we moved to Kanada so they can 354 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 4: do the residencies. And then once they were done there, 355 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 4: they were just sick of Pierre Trudeau's socialism, moved right 356 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 4: back to the US and be a state here ever since. 357 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 4: And you will never find a more die hard group 358 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 4: of American loving people than those like them. And I'm 359 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 4: sure you've seen it in your family too. 360 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, I. 361 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 5: Have a very similar story. My father was a doctor. 362 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 5: We moved her from the Soviet Union. He had to 363 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 5: redo all the exams, drove a cab like you know, 364 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 5: I had to read your residency in the whole thing. 365 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 4: It's incredible, isn't it. I'm sure you hear stories from 366 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 4: him too. But because they know what the delta is 367 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 4: between where they left and where they are, and nobody 368 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 4: takes that for granted in that generation. So I wish 369 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 4: we could do have that same ethos, but right, and 370 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 4: I'm so used to it now, I think a lot 371 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 4: of us do take it care. 372 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 3: So how do you instill that in your kids? Because 373 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 3: I think about that all the time. 374 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: My kids live this magical American life and they've never 375 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: known anything else, and they've never had, thankfully, any serious strife. Right, 376 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: But if you never have strife, how do you raise 377 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: kind of grateful children who become well functioning adults. 378 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 4: It's hard, and I wouldn't benefit of being the d 379 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 4: area is that I can tell them and show them 380 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 4: a lot of these things. So we go to Arlington 381 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 4: National Cemetery for example, Memorial Day, or we walk around 382 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 4: the Washington Monument and talk about President Washington. Or when 383 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 4: we're on the road, I've taken them to Independence Hall 384 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 4: in Philadelphia and we've done the three hour tour where 385 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 4: we just go through yea even small things. We were 386 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 4: in Arizona for spring break this past year and after 387 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 4: we hike Campbell back Mountain nine sister that we go 388 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 4: to the Bury Goldwater Memorial and they're grousing like, oh, 389 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 4: we're tired. It's odd, both like, no, You've got to 390 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 4: go out and see this memorial and we just started 391 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 4: talking about Goldwater's life. And so my hope is that 392 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 4: they're not tuning out all of that because such an 393 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 4: important aide. They're thirteen and eleven now, and I really 394 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 4: want to make sure that before the onslaught of America 395 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 4: slucks comes at them, that they have a core foundation 396 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 4: of believing in what this country is. Even if we're 397 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 4: imperfect at times, we are always seeking to build a 398 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 4: more perfect union. And there's something special about that that 399 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 4: I want them to to remember. 400 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if it makes you feel better. I 401 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: went through an America sucks phase in my late teens. 402 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,479 Speaker 3: I was in Europe. 403 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: They all said America sucks. I just agreed, but you know, 404 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: very quickly I was like, wait, America's actually awesome. I 405 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: don't know what you guys were talking about. So they 406 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: you know, even if they do end up going through 407 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: that phase, good chance they come back around because we 408 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: are kind of amazing. 409 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 3: And you know, facts are facts. 410 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 4: Really absolutely, I know if you ever think about this, 411 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 4: but we are the luckiest human of all the humans 412 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 4: who have ever existed on this earth. We're living in 413 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 4: We're in the top zero. Here's there's or zer a 414 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 4: one percent of people who've ever had it as good 415 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 4: as we have it, and yet somehow we always think 416 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 4: that things are terrible and getting worse, and it's yeah, 417 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 4: there's so many worse places to be than America in 418 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. So I certainly want my kids to 419 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 4: remember that, you know, yeah, a lot of people have 420 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 4: had it a lot worse than. 421 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 3: You, absolutely and still do. 422 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: Right. 423 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 3: I mean again, you're right. 424 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: We get to be the point zero zero zero one 425 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: percent who greatest country in the history of you know, 426 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: the world. I think this is so funny, you know, 427 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: immigrant and child of immigrant having a conversation like America's 428 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: the best. 429 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, America is the best, just the greatest. It's so good. 430 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: And the thing is, like, I want my kids to 431 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: be able to have the same conversation, but I don't 432 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: think that they can. 433 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: I just don't feel like the longer you get away. 434 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: From the immigrant experience, the harder it gets to be 435 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: so unabashedly patriotic. And I just see I even get it. 436 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 5: From like my friends, like, oh, you're an immigrant, Like 437 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 5: obviously you think America is the best ever, but it's 438 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 5: it's tough to maintain. 439 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 4: It really is isn't it. And so that's why I 440 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 4: hope I wish there was some sort of in school, 441 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 4: there was some sort of civic education that really was 442 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 4: strong and not totally non partisan. Of course, no, you know, 443 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 4: raw Raw this team or that, just teach them the 444 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 4: very very basics. And we had that I don't know 445 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 4: if you did when I was in what six or 446 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 4: seventh grade, and you memorize the Preamble to the Constitution 447 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 4: and things like that, and it was great. I remember 448 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 4: once we an exercise we had to study the Bill 449 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 4: of Rights and pick our favorite amendment and describe why 450 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 4: and things like that may eyes at the time, but 451 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, it was. It was a great experience. 452 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I think I really hope my kids 453 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 4: and all kids, right, we really embrace that. We're very 454 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 4: very fortunate. 455 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 5: Florida has a very good civic education program in schools. 456 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 5: And so every episode, you know, I try to convince 457 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 5: my guests to move to Florida. 458 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: So if you're if you're interested in that sort of thing, 459 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: you let me know. 460 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 4: I have to say my firm has an office in Florida. 461 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 4: Whenever I do calls with my colleagues down there. The 462 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 4: sun is shining, they seem happy. Ah, everything seems good 463 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 4: and warm and bright, and so I definitely see the appeal, 464 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 4: especially when as now it seems to be getting dark 465 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 4: here in Virginia at four thirty in the afternoon. I'll 466 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 4: keep it. 467 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: We get a little bit more daylight. I think we 468 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: get dark around five thirty, So it's it's a little. 469 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 4: Bit better here, but I'll take it. I'll take it. 470 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 3: So what do you worry about? 471 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 4: I worry about a lot. I know, first and foremost 472 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 4: worry about my kids and where they're going to go 473 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 4: and what they're going to end up doing. And some 474 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 4: of it is linked to some of the technological trends. 475 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 4: I see that in a world where things like AI 476 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 4: are disrupting the workplace more than ever before, what are 477 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 4: they going to find when they finish college or if 478 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 4: they go to grad school, and what will they end 479 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 4: up doing that's going to be productive. I do worry 480 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 4: about the fraying of the bonds that used to hold 481 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 4: Americans together. I know that the plural of anecdote is 482 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 4: and data, but I'm always struck when I go to 483 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 4: my high school Facebook page that this group of us 484 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 4: who has been pretty tight since in some cases of 485 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 4: the late seventies and never discussed politics all that often, 486 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 4: at least in a serious way, is now starting to 487 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 4: come apart because people are attacking each other over politics, 488 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 4: and that is really unhealthy, I think for our country. 489 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 4: And I'm sure you've seen it too over the last week, 490 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 4: some people saying I'm going to cut off this family 491 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 4: member and never speak to the game they voted for X. 492 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 4: I mean, that's just they're many more important things than politics, 493 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 4: which sounds odd for me to say, given where I 494 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 4: had this. 495 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 3: True, Yeah, it's so. 496 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 4: I do worry about that quite a bit. And then yeah, 497 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 4: I know, I just worry about all kinds of different 498 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 4: things like that, the list, I know. Yeah, I don't 499 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 4: know if that resonates with you or others out there, 500 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 4: but it's just. 501 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: So, Yeah, I absolutely I talk about that a lot 502 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: on the show and my monologues about not praying with family. 503 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 3: Especially because arguments with your. 504 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: Family over Thanksgiving about politics are just not going to 505 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: solve anything. No one is leaving Thanksgiving being like wow, 506 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: that was a great point, you know, And now I'm 507 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: more to change my perspective having respectful conversations and not 508 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: allowing things to get kind of you know, Hayden is 509 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: so important. I had a kind of a fractured family 510 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: growing up, and just the idea that we would fall 511 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: out over politics is hilarious because there's so many other 512 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: things to fall out, exocus on those, you know, and 513 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: ultimately we're like in a rock, you know, in a 514 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: rock floating through space. Like, don't spend your time fighting 515 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: with your mother about whatever the. 516 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 3: Political agenda of the day. Everything is kind of more 517 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: important on the ground. 518 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more. And especially now as I'm reaching 519 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 4: this age when my parents and their friends are getting 520 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 4: older and I start to appreciate more the limited duration 521 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 4: of our time a lot really underscores that your family 522 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 4: is what matters the most, and right politics is the 523 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 4: last thing you should be thinking about. Is being a 524 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 4: litmus test for whether you're or not. 525 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: And you're likely taking your political positions to protect your family, 526 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: and then you're going to throw them away if they 527 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: don't agree with your politics. 528 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 3: Like that makes just no sense to me. 529 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I have loved this conversation. 530 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 5: You are hilarious, and I think you should go to 531 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 5: medical school and be a really funny doctor. Leave us 532 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 5: here with your best tip for my listeners on how 533 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 5: they can improve their lives. 534 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 4: That's a really good question. I would say, Gosh, there's 535 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 4: so many things I could I could pick here. One 536 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 4: is to try to read long form articles. This has 537 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 4: become increasingly difficult for me in their kind of things 538 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 4: like Twitter, when you read everything in two hundred and 539 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 4: eighty character chunks. But what I found in recent years 540 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 4: is really digging into long form articles or books ideally, 541 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 4: but yeah, that's almost going. 542 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 3: To say there's this really long form thing that we have. 543 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 4: No, I've always given up hope on books, but I 544 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 4: mean I read a lot of nonfiction books, which are great, 545 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 4: but yeah, just try to really dig into something, especially 546 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 4: if you might disagree with it. And I found that 547 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 4: I've actually changed my views on some things that I 548 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 4: thought were bedrock principles of mine, just by virtue of 549 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 4: reading different arguments. And so that's something I think it 550 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 4: would be really good for people to do. And I 551 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 4: guess a corollary to that is, and I'm the worst 552 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 4: violator of this rule, you try to spend less time 553 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 4: just doing scrolling through social media. 554 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, tough, tough to do. 555 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 4: It's very hard to do. And especially now when things 556 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 4: like X are my primary source abuse, it's part to 557 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 4: escape it. But I do find that on days when 558 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 4: I'm just outside with my kids, playing with them, or 559 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 4: hiking with them or whatever, just my mood is so 560 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 4: much better than when I'm sitting my college neck crane 561 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 4: over just scrutch. If someone said this and I'm going 562 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 4: to like this tweet that Carol'll put out attacking that, 563 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 4: and just I mean nothing against your social media company. 564 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 3: I know I have a great feed, you know. 565 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 4: It's just it's really I think we've become enmeshed in 566 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 4: social media so much that our mood becomes co terminous 567 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 4: with it, which is not healthy. So yeah, I guess 568 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 4: that's Lily. 569 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 3: Although you do have a very happy feed. 570 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, particularly scrolling through yours in 571 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: the last few days, like getting getting ready for this interview, 572 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: and you do highlight a lot of really positive stuff. 573 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 3: I think you're doing it right, you know, well, thank you. 574 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 4: I really appreciate that. Every now and then, my former 575 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 4: chief of stuff for the SEC would tell me, Okay, 576 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 4: do you really want to tweet this out because I 577 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 4: just found out something quickly. I always have him on 578 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 4: my shoulder down metaphorically. 579 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 3: Do you really want to tweep this out all? 580 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 4: So I try to keep it positive? 581 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 3: Jeep pie Storry. 582 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, Thank you so much for coming on. 583 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,959 Speaker 3: He is a jeeppie. He is fantastic. 584 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 5: You should follow him anywhere that he posts thoughts. 585 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, a jeep. 586 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Carol for what you do. 587 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on The Carol Markowitz Show. 588 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 3: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.