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Speaker 1: with the Winnipeg Jets player Morgan Baron had seventy You
Speaker 1: know what after seventy five they stopped counting. It was
Speaker 1: at least seventy. If I'm going to get cut up
Speaker 1: and they're gonna stitch me up, I want to be
Speaker 1: able to tell people how many stitches I got, Like,
Speaker 1: is it seventy seven? And is it seven? If I'm
Speaker 1: getting them, you count them. Hey, we got to seventy
Speaker 1: five and then we stopped counting. No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: We got to do this because I'm going to go
Speaker 1: back there on the ice. I'm gonna be able to
Speaker 1: tell people, Yeah, he had seventy seven stitches. I would
Speaker 1: change my number to seventy five if i'm him, you know,
Speaker 1: seventy five stitches? All right? So we'll talk to Messier
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to switch it up to baseball and
Speaker 2: go with Max Surezer. Okay, mex ss mac Scherzer's dejection
Speaker 2: was excessive accurate.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so let me walk you through this.
Speaker 1: Pitches for the Mets, at least he did for a
Speaker 1: little while yesterday and then he got tossed from the game.
Speaker 1: So you're allowed to have rosin and mixed with sweat
Speaker 1: and gives you a little bit of a sticky feeling
Speaker 1: substance there, and that's legal. But the umpiring crew noticed
Speaker 1: something a little bit more and maybe something that was
Speaker 1: Now they're looking for the color of things. That's how
Speaker 1: you can tell if something's different. It was a darker
Speaker 1: shade on his glove, and they noticed that it was
Speaker 1: a little tackier, stickier, and then they thought okay, and
Speaker 1: he's pleading his case and he's saying, look, I didn't
Speaker 1: do anything wrong. It's rosin, it's sweat. And then he said,
Speaker 1: I'll go wash it off. So they have somebody go
Speaker 1: with him. He washes his hands and they want him
Speaker 1: to change his glove. Well, then comes back out and
Speaker 1: you know, everything's good. And then an inning later they said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what we're gonna We're gonna check him again.
Speaker 1: And then they check him again and then they found
Speaker 1: that sticky substance again and it's a little darker, and
Speaker 1: that's when they decided to run him. Here is Max
Speaker 1: Scherzer pleading his case first of all, telling us what happened.
Speaker 3: I'd have to be an absolute idiot to try to
Speaker 3: do anything when I'm coming back out for the fourth
Speaker 3: So I'm in front of the MLB official. That's that's
Speaker 3: underneath here. I washed my hand with alcohol in front
Speaker 3: of the official, I didn't apply a rosin and then
Speaker 3: I grabbed sweat when I didn't, I didn't go back
Speaker 3: out there, and Phil Causey says that my hand's too sticky.
Speaker 3: I don't get yes, when you use sweat and rosin
Speaker 3: your hands sticky, I don't get how I get ejected
Speaker 3: when I'm when I'm in front of MB officials doing
Speaker 3: exactly exactly what you want and being deemed my hand's
Speaker 3: too sticky when I'm using legal substance. I do not
Speaker 3: understand that.
Speaker 1: And then he went on to say this.
Speaker 3: I said, I swear my kid's life. I'm not using
Speaker 3: anything else. This is sweat and rosin. Sweat and rosin.
Speaker 3: I keep saying it over and over, and they touch
Speaker 3: my hand, they say it's sticky, and I like, yes,
Speaker 3: it is, because it's sweat and rosin, and they say
Speaker 3: it's too sticky. They threw me out because of that.
Speaker 1: Okay, And the umpire who threw out Max Scherzer has
Speaker 1: thrown out three pitchers. No other umpire has ever thrown
Speaker 1: anybody out for a sticky substance. But I think what
Speaker 1: may have led to him being ejected was Okay, you
Speaker 1: can have it on your hand but he has something
Speaker 1: on his glove, and he can say, look, this is
Speaker 1: rosin and sweat on my hand. What do you have
Speaker 1: on your glove? Why else would you make him change
Speaker 1: his glove because they were noticing something and it looked
Speaker 1: different in shading in color, and they know what they're
Speaker 1: looking for. I mean, guys have cheated, you know, for
Speaker 1: centuries with Major League Baseball pitching. And where do I
Speaker 1: put it? How can can I go there? Can I
Speaker 1: do it in a way that I can hide it?
Speaker 1: And guys who have tried in a variety of ways
Speaker 1: to do it. I don't know Max Scherzer. I don't
Speaker 1: know his history. He certainly sounds passionate in defending himself,
Speaker 1: but then it's not like he's going to go all right,
Speaker 1: you got me. Of course he's gonna I wanted to
Speaker 1: hear Buck Showalter, and I did watch Buck show Walter
Speaker 1: the manager. When he went out to the mound. Buck
Speaker 1: was really calm, almost as if to say, man, can
Speaker 1: I defend my picture? Even though maybe I can't defend
Speaker 1: my picture? It feels like in that situation you almost
Speaker 1: have to act like you're as mad as your picture is.
Speaker 1: Like that's Mac Shurzer. He's a Hall of Famer. He's
Speaker 1: not gonna cheat. Well, they had to be enough there. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens with an appeal. I don't
Speaker 1: know if any of these pictures have appealed this, and
Speaker 1: if you know they it fell on deaf ears. But
Speaker 1: he didn't get suspended. He just got tossed. I don't
Speaker 1: know what he can say plead his case. And you know,
Speaker 1: does Major League Baseball talk to this umpire to say, hey,
Speaker 1: tell us exactly why you would run him here? What
Speaker 1: was different? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ton, the appeal process does get slippery in situations.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's just stick you know, get sticky. That's you
Speaker 1: should have got sticky slippery, that's sticky situation.
Speaker 5: Yes, couldn't Max Shures have walked off after being ejective
Speaker 5: from the game. Had someone take what was on his
Speaker 5: hand and glove and put it in a plastic bag
Speaker 5: and say go ahead and test it and we'll be here.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 5: Here's what you've just kicked me out for. Test what's
Speaker 5: in it? It's either if it's not rosin and sweat,
Speaker 5: I'm out. And then you could decide to Intenzecus. Dan
Speaker 5: Belino is a homeplate umpire and they did an interview
Speaker 5: after the game. They talked to pool reporters. There's no
Speaker 5: audio or video, it's just written.
Speaker 7: He says.
Speaker 5: One of the reasons they caught kicked him out is quote,
Speaker 5: we know what ros and typically feels like an pitcher's hand.
Speaker 5: We check every picture in every game, and everyone's using
Speaker 5: the same exact rosin bag that's approved by Major League Baseball.
Speaker 5: Pictures don't have their own rosin bag. It's everyone has
Speaker 5: the same. So it's really important this quote. So it's
Speaker 5: really important to understand that when they claim it's just rosin.
Speaker 5: Every picture we check, we're accustomed to a certain rosin
Speaker 5: residue on the pitcher's hand. The fact that this substance
Speaker 5: went so much further was indicative that it was something
Speaker 5: more likely than rosin that is making it more sticky
Speaker 5: than any picture we had checked in the entire season.
Speaker 5: They are saying, the umps saying this was not straight rosin,
Speaker 5: not just the location of it, but the material self.
Speaker 5: They said it was so sticky that when I went
Speaker 5: to grab his hand, it like popped when.
Speaker 1: But he also said he had it on his non
Speaker 1: pitching hand. Well, why would you have your non pitching
Speaker 1: hand in a glove if you're going to use rosin.
Speaker 1: That to me didn't make sense. If you can use it,
Speaker 1: then you use it on your pitching hand. Why do
Speaker 1: I want it on my glove hand? And I think
Speaker 1: what the umpires were looking at is there's different places
Speaker 1: is where you can hide it on your glove. The
Speaker 1: question is how does it blend in with your glove. Now,
Speaker 1: guys will have a dark mit because you can hide
Speaker 1: it a little bit. They'll also, you know, where you
Speaker 1: have the eyelets on your glove. Sometimes those are bent
Speaker 1: up where you can scuff the ball. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: there's so many different ways to cheat. But I mean
Speaker 1: they're saying to him, you can have ronsin. There's something
Speaker 1: else here. Now that's what needs to be identified here.
Speaker 1: But if you're warning him, and this happens all the time,
Speaker 1: by the way, it's not like they go and we're
Speaker 1: seeing something here. The last thing they want to do
Speaker 1: is slow down the game and bust him. But you
Speaker 1: see this now. Sometimes you don't even see it on TV.
Speaker 1: If you go to a game, they're inspecting the picture.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it'll be like it's like a random drug test.
Speaker 1: All right, come on over or you're going through TSA.
Speaker 1: I'm going to put you to the side here. How
Speaker 1: about they do that where they have you ever had
Speaker 1: that where they take that little cloth and they wipe
Speaker 1: you down, your hand and your your fingertips and then
Speaker 1: they run it through. Maybe they could do that where well,
Speaker 1: they don't want to slow the game down, so you
Speaker 1: can't do that. But they had to see something, they
Speaker 1: had to feel something, and that's the key.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Point.
Speaker 5: At the end of the interview, the umpire said, quote,
Speaker 5: that's the point of emphasis. To us, it was much
Speaker 5: more sticky than anything we'd felt this entire season. Not
Speaker 5: tacky sticky. It sounds silly, but a difference between tackiness
Speaker 5: and stickiness.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: They said it was not just a glob of stuff.
Speaker 7: It was actually.
Speaker 1: But it was on his glove. Then they make him
Speaker 1: change his glove and then he comes back out and
Speaker 1: then they find it again on his glove an inning later,
Speaker 1: I believe.
Speaker 5: And he's saying he reapplied rosin and sweat legally with
Speaker 5: an official over his shoulder watching him in the in.
Speaker 8: The dugoutd I don't know yeah, I don't know, but
Speaker 8: to toss him, it has there has to be enough
Speaker 8: there because the other umpires could go, the homeplate umpire
Speaker 8: can go, Hey, no, I don't think there's enough.
Speaker 1: Here for them to agree that they're going to run him.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd imagine he uses it on his glove hands,
Speaker 2: because that's what you go to when you want to
Speaker 2: reapply it to your pitching hand, right, I mean I
Speaker 2: don't know that that's if that's legal or not.
Speaker 1: But well, but so he puts rosin, why not just
Speaker 1: do the rosin and sweat on your pitching hand, right,
Speaker 1: Why do I have to have it on my So
Speaker 1: I have to take my glove off.
Speaker 2: And now if you have it like right towards your
Speaker 2: like the bottom of your palm, yeah, like that's where
Speaker 2: you would hide illegal stuff. Yes, it's right there, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: but you could also have it over there. But one
Speaker 2: of his defenses was he was just like, it's not
Speaker 2: even on my hand, it's on my glove hand. Whatever
Speaker 2: it's like, Well, then you just go to your glove
Speaker 2: hand and then now it's back on your pitching hand.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I can dab it and now I have
Speaker 1: enough on my pitching hand. I like, when was it
Speaker 1: Garrett Cole when they were saying that he was using
Speaker 1: that what sport tack or something, and he said, oh,
Speaker 1: spider tack. He goes, I'm a yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm protecting the hitter. I don't want to throw a
Speaker 1: breaking ball and it won't break.
Speaker 2: I'll go, oh, okay, very thought, safety safety issue.
Speaker 5: Very I'm using steroids so I could carry furniture for
Speaker 5: people when they move and hit home runs.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, not that, yes, to.
Speaker 1: Machine could be right.
Speaker 9: Maybe it's like a palette and a paint brush where
Speaker 9: one side gets dry and you kind of you need
Speaker 9: to dip into the glove area to get a little
Speaker 9: more of the fresh wet stuff that's now dried up
Speaker 9: on your pitching hand.
Speaker 1: But how am I going to get the wet stuff
Speaker 1: if it's dried up?
Speaker 4: If whatever you're doing with your pitching hand.
Speaker 1: Do you think, okay, do you think that Max Scherzer
Speaker 1: was using was he cheating tod I'm going to say, no,
Speaker 1: all right, seating? Was he cheating? No?
Speaker 2: Was he probably bending the le Okay, I'm a little
Speaker 2: more of a gray area guy.
Speaker 1: Here, Dan Marvin, No, Paulie.
Speaker 5: There is a caveat on the rule that you're not
Speaker 5: allowed to mix rosin and sweat and sunblock. Yeah, he
Speaker 5: could have tons and tons of sunblock on him and
Speaker 5: that's the extra material.
Speaker 7: I don't think he was cheating.
Speaker 1: Tough, but like there are rules about it.
Speaker 2: To be his lawyer, Yeah, when you're allowed to like
Speaker 2: how many times? I wish I could find this real quick,
Speaker 2: but like when you're allowed to, are you allowed to
Speaker 2: touch your neck and then go to the ball and
Speaker 2: then whatever?
Speaker 1: There's rules about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that you're not allowed to touch your hat and then
Speaker 2: your neck and then the ball or things like that.
Speaker 5: You can grab your junk, you can't grab your neck. Correct,
Speaker 5: It doesn't say that in code two point seven. That's true.
Speaker 1: You could a you went to your junk too many times?
Speaker 1: Gott to run yet, Yeah, well that would be Todd's life.
Speaker 1: What are you saying, Tom, Should.
Speaker 9: We have a pitchclock for the umpires where they only
Speaker 9: have twenty seconds of determined if someone's cheating, and if
Speaker 9: after twenty seconds they can't figure it out, then he's
Speaker 9: free to go back on the mountain do whatever he's doing.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, they kind of do.
Speaker 5: They have a brief period of time between innings to
Speaker 5: do their game check of the picture.
Speaker 7: They can't just sit there and make him wait.
Speaker 1: I think he was. I think he was exploring the rules.
Speaker 1: I think he was bending the rules a little bit there, exploring.
Speaker 7: I like that one exploring the parameter.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, the Christopher Columbus of pictures. I was exploring. Yes, Tom.
Speaker 9: And what is it about the feel of rozin where
Speaker 9: you have to mix sweat with it? That line jumped
Speaker 9: out at me. I know it's within the rules sweat
Speaker 9: and rosin, But he's like, I had the rosin and
Speaker 9: then I mixed some sweat with it, Like why do
Speaker 9: you need to mix sweat with after you touch the
Speaker 9: rosin band?
Speaker 1: Well, as maybe the only person in this room who
Speaker 1: is pitched at a high school level, I would have
Speaker 1: you know, if you had the rosin and you had
Speaker 1: some sweat, it makes it stickier. It's cheater. Hey, if
Speaker 1: I could have cheated, I would have yes.
Speaker 2: As the only person in this room that pitched at
Speaker 2: a high school And yeah, we never had rosin.
Speaker 1: Yeah you couldn't fancy. It's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 10: Man?
Speaker 1: Just stick your hand in the spit in your hand,
Speaker 1: rub it in the dirt. Yeah, do something like that.
Speaker 1: But if you well, we should get a rosin bag.
Speaker 1: And if I just said and it dries your hand,
Speaker 1: you don't want it your hand dry, You want it wet.
Speaker 1: The rosin will dry out your hand, you know. So
Speaker 1: if I put sweat with it, now all of a
Speaker 1: sudden we got a little substance there. And now I
Speaker 1: can bring some cheese as as only I could. Here's
Speaker 1: some cheese. Let me see you get a piece of that? Yes, Tod,
Speaker 1: And I guess.
Speaker 9: They have to almost they have to make it legal
Speaker 9: sweat and rosin mix, because how do you determine that?
Speaker 1: Well, your sweat is don't touch yourself, Patrick Ewing.
Speaker 4: Measure the levels of sweat. Once you reach a certain
Speaker 4: level of sweat, then you can't blame anymore.
Speaker 1: Let me take a break, Let's get our act together.
Speaker 1: Mark Messier tough guy. But are you born when you
Speaker 1: play hockey or you become a tough guy when you
Speaker 1: play hockey? How many stitches has Messi a taken over under?
Speaker 1: Like his entire there are people, okay, in your entire life.
Speaker 1: If you had seventy five stitches, anybody had, what's the
Speaker 1: most stitches, Todd, you probably had a few.
Speaker 9: I had twelve stitches in my wrist and probably a
Speaker 9: lot of stitches across my stomach.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was seventy stitches, okay, and
Speaker 1: why you're a wrist?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 9: When I was a little kid, I was trying to
Speaker 9: lift weights in my uncle's house in Long Island, and
Speaker 9: for whatever reason, there was a glass table behind the weights,
Speaker 9: and I lifted it up one time and.
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, I'm going to call my cousin
Speaker 4: and so check this out.
Speaker 9: Didn't work as well the second time, I dropped it
Speaker 9: and cut the glass table in half.
Speaker 4: Glass fell up in there. I look at my wrist
Speaker 4: and I'm crushing blood. How to be rushed to the
Speaker 4: hospital to sew up my left wrist?
Speaker 1: I think there was a columnist who said that this
Speaker 1: player for the Winnipeg Jets was leaking blood. It's an
Speaker 1: app description, but that's a tough one where you're going,
Speaker 1: you know, man, he was leaking blood and then went
Speaker 1: to get seventy five stitches. Sh anybody have more than
Speaker 1: twenty stitches? Seeton?
Speaker 2: No, No, I haven't had many stitches at all. You
Speaker 2: know what's crazy?
Speaker 11: Now?
Speaker 6: Too.
Speaker 1: Is that they're liquid stitches. Have you seen that they do?
Speaker 2: Like my son had a I don't know how many
Speaker 2: stitches he would have had in his face, but he
Speaker 2: got hit with a flashlight and he had to have
Speaker 2: stitches right under his eye and it was all liquid.
Speaker 1: They just basically filled it in like blue. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we're like all right, yeah, should be good, see you later. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And someone them have electro likes now where you can
Speaker 4: choose fruit punch or orange or grape. It's like all
Speaker 4: kinds of flavored stitches too.
Speaker 1: No. See see, you don't leave people in stitches. Just okay,
Speaker 1: how about we take break here, all right, we'll come
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Speaker 1: Peacock app. More phone calls coming up. We spent a
Speaker 1: little bit of time yesterday talking about Morgan Baron. He
Speaker 1: plays for the Winnipeg Jets, and he took at least
Speaker 1: seventy five stitches and then came back the next period,
Speaker 1: and I was wondering, are you born tough or do
Speaker 1: you become tough when you become a hockey player. And
Speaker 1: then I said to Fritzy, why don't you see if
Speaker 1: we could get Mark Messier on. Let's do over under
Speaker 1: stitches that Mark has had in his career. Todd, I'll
Speaker 1: start with you. Has has Messier had at least seventy
Speaker 1: five total stitches?
Speaker 4: Yes, I was going to guess something in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Of ninety three Seaton at one time or total total.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go one seventy five, one seventy five Yet, Marvin.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go one twenty three, Paulie.
Speaker 7: I'm going underwent. Mark gave out stick exactly.
Speaker 1: He gave out exactly exactly. I'll say, Messy a less
Speaker 1: than twenty five stitches, he joins us. Now, all right,
Speaker 1: mess how many stitches in your twenty year career?
Speaker 12: I would have zero idea how many, but I know
Speaker 12: it was more than I know it was more than twenty.
Speaker 1: Okay, I know it was.
Speaker 6: Less than a thousand. But somewhere in between.
Speaker 1: What's the worst injury you got where you had to
Speaker 1: get stitches?
Speaker 6: You know that's a great question.
Speaker 12: I was pretty lucky in a lot of aspects from
Speaker 12: injury standpoint. I never had a cut where I had
Speaker 12: seventy five stitches like Baron did the other night. That
Speaker 12: was pretty pretty gutty for him to come back the
Speaker 12: way he did, But I was more happy that it
Speaker 12: was awfully close to his eye.
Speaker 6: That could have been a catastrophic injury. But he definitely got.
Speaker 1: But do they just stitch you up on the table.
Speaker 1: They just take you in the back and just start stitching.
Speaker 12: I get the old, the old needles, a little binder
Speaker 12: twine that they put the haybells together, and they sew
Speaker 12: you back together, and they throw.
Speaker 6: You back out there right away.
Speaker 12: But are you nothing in freezing is optional?
Speaker 1: Are you born tough as a hockey player or do
Speaker 1: you become tough as a hockey.
Speaker 12: I think the sport, the sport makes you tough. It's
Speaker 12: it's a lot of pain to play hockey. It's certainly
Speaker 12: a lot of pain to play winning hockey, blocking shots
Speaker 12: and sacrifice in your body and all the inherent risks
Speaker 12: that go out there. Every he thinks, and it is
Speaker 12: hockey is an amazing artistic ballet on ice. I often
Speaker 12: refer to it as more of a knife fight. Say
Speaker 12: you got a sixty minute knife fight with you know,
Speaker 12: twenty four switch blades of people's skates traveling at thirty
Speaker 12: miles an hour. So the inherent dangers on the ice
Speaker 12: are there every day, and it's just a reminder when
Speaker 12: when something happens, it's just how dangerous the sport it is.
Speaker 12: And and you know how how incredibly tough and you know, uh,
Speaker 12: you know how much resilience that the players have to
Speaker 12: play in that kind of tournament for two months under
Speaker 12: that kind of pressure.
Speaker 1: But is your toughness different than Wayne Gretzky's toughness?
Speaker 6: Well, that's that's that's a great question.
Speaker 12: You know, Brian Leach was maybe one of the toughest
Speaker 12: players I ever played with, and he never had a
Speaker 12: fight in the National Hockey League. But you know, as
Speaker 12: a as a smaller defenseman, he never wants to backed
Speaker 12: away from going into his own zone when he had
Speaker 12: the likes of Eric Lindross, you know, coming bearing down
Speaker 12: on him.
Speaker 6: At full speed.
Speaker 12: So there's many different ways to to talk about toughness
Speaker 12: in hockey.
Speaker 6: It's just not fighting, it's it's.
Speaker 12: A willingness to go standing in the hard areas in
Speaker 12: front of the net and take a pounding to score
Speaker 12: a goal. It's you know, taking a check to get
Speaker 12: the puck out of your own zone and the dying seconds. Uh,
Speaker 12: you know, So toughness comes in many different forms in hockey.
Speaker 1: Is Wayne the best player of all time?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 12: Well, I think you might be the best athlete of
Speaker 12: all time if you ask me. I'm a little biased
Speaker 12: because I got to see pure genius for all the
Speaker 12: years I played with him and against him. His numbers
Speaker 12: stack up that nobody can compare us from a statistical standpoint.
Speaker 12: So if you want to talk about the best athlete
Speaker 12: over the last century, my guess would probably be Wayne Gretzky.
Speaker 1: But I wonder, and the reason why I say this,
Speaker 1: We look at Michael Jordan and Lebron can't surpass Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan in a lot of people's minds. What would it
Speaker 1: take for somebody to surpass Gretzky is the greatest player
Speaker 1: of all time?
Speaker 12: Well, it's all subjective, as you know, because we really
Speaker 12: are comparing athletes from different errors and the game has changed, technology, science, training,
Speaker 12: I mean everything's changed. Athletes are getting bigger, stronger, But
Speaker 12: what you can do is you can compare different athletes
Speaker 12: of what they did to their contemporaries when they played
Speaker 12: the game. And if you just do that statistically, Loan
Speaker 12: Wayne's numbers just outshine everybody's from what he did to
Speaker 12: the competition. So I'm not sure how you can really
Speaker 12: judge it other than people have their opinions, and certainly
Speaker 12: they have their favorites. I mean, Michael Jordan was an
Speaker 12: easy guy to like and the bulls run was magical.
Speaker 12: Even if you weren't a bulls man, you couldn't take
Speaker 12: your eyes off it. Compelling to the TV. So but
Speaker 12: like I said, I'm a little biased with Wayne and
Speaker 12: because I got to see it up close and personal.
Speaker 1: How do you think this season with Connor McDavid is
Speaker 1: going to be viewed historically?
Speaker 12: Well, I think, you know, he's emerging as one of
Speaker 12: the best players ever played the game, you know, I
Speaker 12: think for what he did this year in a new
Speaker 12: cap era with the new rules that the goaltending and
Speaker 12: becoming much better, the defense is much stronger, you know,
Speaker 12: I think there's so many different ways that you can
Speaker 12: look at what he did this year and how par
Speaker 12: for the season individually, it.
Speaker 6: Was and ultimately, you know, we're always judged on whether.
Speaker 12: You can actually win a championship as a player and
Speaker 12: statistically and what he's doing as an individual is.
Speaker 6: Is incredibly impressive.
Speaker 12: You know, he's probably if you look at all the
Speaker 12: other sports right now, is there anybody that's dominating his
Speaker 12: sport as much as he is from an individual standpoint?
Speaker 12: But as you know, in a team sport, it's all
Speaker 12: about the championships and your legacy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you look at the greatness of a player
Speaker 1: by who's next in line to that great player, and
Speaker 1: it feels like there's a big separation there with.
Speaker 12: Well, there is the big delta there this year and
Speaker 12: maybe more so than any other sport.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, similarly with the Boston Bruins, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's great to have an unbelievable regular season, but Golden
Speaker 1: State Warriors won seventy three games one year they didn't
Speaker 1: win the championship.
Speaker 12: Well, it's hard to believe that the Boston Bruins under
Speaker 12: the amount of parody that's in the league right now.
Speaker 12: With the salary cap, trying to keep a team together
Speaker 12: for any number of years is so difficult that they
Speaker 12: actually set a record in the history of our game.
Speaker 12: With sixty five wins this year, It's incredible, and I
Speaker 12: don't I don't really know if people understand how much
Speaker 12: of an amazing feat that was for Boston this year,
Speaker 12: especially early on, when nobody gave them the respect that
Speaker 12: they ultimately deserved because of the injuries that they had
Speaker 12: and nobody penciled them into I think everybody was thinking
Speaker 12: that they could just hold on to five hundred and
Speaker 12: then get healthy and make the playoffs. I didn't see
Speaker 12: it coming. I don't think anybody saw it coming, this
Speaker 12: magical run. It was just one of the most impressive
Speaker 12: things I've seen in our game in many, many years.
Speaker 1: Mess if I gave you the Bruins or the field.
Speaker 12: That's a great That's wow, that would be a great
Speaker 12: prop bet I see now.
Speaker 6: I even though the language for them, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I would problem have to take the field on that.
Speaker 12: There's just so many things that can go wrong, injuries,
Speaker 12: so many different things play a factor, and.
Speaker 6: Every team has their weaknesses.
Speaker 12: I mean, you don't see too many weaknesses with Boston
Speaker 12: because of the year they had, and you're trying to
Speaker 12: figure out where those weaknesses are. But as we saw
Speaker 12: last night, Florida played hard and sure enough they deserve
Speaker 12: to win that game because of it, and they did,
Speaker 12: and that's not an easy place to win in Boston.
Speaker 1: He's Mark Messier, the Hall of Famer. When the Rangers
Speaker 1: won the Stanley Cup, I went to the party afterwards
Speaker 1: and people were drinking out of the cup and I
Speaker 1: grabbed a sip out of the cup. I actually asked,
Speaker 1: and can I just correct you?
Speaker 6: People were drinking a lot out of the stand.
Speaker 1: I ask you what was in the cup? And you
Speaker 1: had some colorful language as if to say, if you
Speaker 1: don't want to drink it, then pass it to somebody else.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what was in that cup, but
Speaker 1: I just went I got to take a drink of
Speaker 1: the cup.
Speaker 6: And absolutely and just take your chances.
Speaker 1: What was in there?
Speaker 12: Oh, I think there could have been a concoction that
Speaker 12: God only knows what was in there. But one of
Speaker 12: the craziest things I ever saw in the Stanley Cup
Speaker 12: was the world's largest Remember in the old days, back
Speaker 12: in the eighties, the drink of choice was a B
Speaker 12: fifty two.
Speaker 6: I think it was clue and.
Speaker 12: All the vodka and all this, well, they made the
Speaker 12: largest B fifty two in the Stanley Cup and that
Speaker 12: was that was that was a shot of choice that night.
Speaker 1: But did you do any and I know that when
Speaker 1: the Penguins woman, I think it ended up at the
Speaker 1: bottom of Lemieuse Pool or something like that. Like, did
Speaker 1: it anybody any great stories with the Rangers Stanley Cup.
Speaker 6: I tell you what the fact the Stanley Cup could talk,
Speaker 6: it could That would be a best seller.
Speaker 12: Uh, you know, I think that the Stanley Cup has
Speaker 12: been well traveled. And one of the things then, as
Speaker 12: you know, is there's probably the only trophy that the
Speaker 12: players get to take and prayed around and take to
Speaker 12: their hometowns and and really celebrate the Cup. And it's
Speaker 12: probably one of the reasons why it's such a people's trophy.
Speaker 12: Everybody gets an opportunity normally when someone wins it to
Speaker 12: take it to their hometown and get their picture taken
Speaker 12: with it. And the magic that it creates and the
Speaker 12: emotion that it that it creates. But you know, it's
Speaker 12: done a lot of good too, you know, not only
Speaker 12: the parties, but it's done a lot of good with
Speaker 12: charities and many different things. And but as you know, Dan,
Speaker 12: we did have to get the cup of its own
Speaker 12: babysitter after a certain amount of events took place with
Speaker 12: the Cup. So I think it's the only trophy in
Speaker 12: professional sports that has its own twenty four to seven.
Speaker 1: Baby, is there a player that you played against you
Speaker 1: would like a piece of You still would like to
Speaker 1: hit him one more time?
Speaker 12: One of them everyone, But it's not It's not a
Speaker 12: place for pleasantries if you're trying to win.
Speaker 1: But when you played against Gretzky, having played with him
Speaker 1: was there and sent him, you weren't allowed to probably
Speaker 1: hit him in practice or skate rounds.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 12: Oh, well, of course I saw people trying to hit
Speaker 12: him all the years that I played with him, and
Speaker 12: then of course when he got traded, I really quickly
Speaker 12: realized that, my guess is, I'm going to have to
Speaker 12: play him hard when we do play. And sure enough,
Speaker 12: the first year he got traded to LA when I
Speaker 12: was still in Edmonton, we played him in the playoffs,
Speaker 12: and then I realized how hard he is to capture
Speaker 12: and to hit. But back in those days, there was
Speaker 12: no taking any prisoners if anything was in the way
Speaker 12: of trying to win something as good as a strength
Speaker 12: as Wayne was, and you know, the greatest part about
Speaker 12: it Dan too, is that I think he knew that
Speaker 12: and he expected it, so he was pretty wildly on
Speaker 12: the ice and he never got himself in a position
Speaker 12: to get hit too often.
Speaker 1: Great to see you, hope you're having fun in TV,
Speaker 1: and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6: Great to be with you, Dan, take care.
Speaker 1: That's Mark Messik. Stanley Cup playoffs continue tonight on the
Speaker 1: mother Ship starting at seven eastern Lightning and the Leafs,
Speaker 1: followed by cracking Avalanche Anchi at nine point thirty. Mark
Speaker 1: will be doing a studio analysis for both of those games.
Speaker 1: The two things have stood out in my career when
Speaker 1: I met certain players Joe Montana and Wayne Gretzky. And
Speaker 1: when you meet them, you go, how how are you
Speaker 1: the best quarterback of all time? How are you the
Speaker 1: greatest hockey player of all time? And that's the beauty
Speaker 1: of sports. Sometimes we get caught up in you have
Speaker 1: to be this size, you have to look this way,
Speaker 1: and if you were around Joe Montana, you would go,
Speaker 1: uh place, kicker like a holder agent. And then you
Speaker 1: meet Gretzky and you're like, there's no way, there is
Speaker 1: no way. And then you watch them and you go yep,
Speaker 1: something about it. But that's where we get caught up
Speaker 1: in stereotypes, and that's dangerous, dangerous when you're drafting these players,
Speaker 1: especially you know, Montana was a third round draft pick
Speaker 1: and he said first day he showed up, they thought
Speaker 1: he was a kicker. Yeah, pretty amazing. Let me get
Speaker 1: a couple of phone calls in here, Brandon in Ohio, Hi, Brandon,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 6: Hey?
Speaker 10: Morning guys.
Speaker 1: Hey, So back to the CJ.
Speaker 10: Shroud talk from earlier. With Brady Quinn's comments, it reminded me,
Speaker 10: and I'll profess I'm a Highest State fan, but it
Speaker 10: reminded me of the Justin Fields talk when he came
Speaker 10: out about how he was a last in, first out
Speaker 10: kind of guy. His commitment was questioned, And it just
Speaker 10: seems like with Ohio State, for some reason, a lot
Speaker 10: of people look past the stats, which for both Field
Speaker 10: and Stroud were phenomenal, and they focused more on the
Speaker 10: are they dedicated to the craft to get better? Shroud
Speaker 10: skip the maning passing camp, which I guess is a
Speaker 10: big thing that I didn't know about. And it seems
Speaker 10: like with schools like USC, they look past all of
Speaker 10: that and like dam Darnold was supposed to be the
Speaker 10: next coming of some greatness and that didn't pan out.
Speaker 10: And there's to talk about Caleb Williams next year in
Speaker 10: the draft. So it's just sort of the Ohio State.
Speaker 10: It feels like it's a lot of critique on their
Speaker 10: quarterback history, and I'm not sure that's.
Speaker 1: Well, Brandon. I think it's recent because Ohio State has
Speaker 1: been a better team than USC and more draft picks there,
Speaker 1: and you got the best group of wide receivers of
Speaker 1: any university over the last decade, maybe even longer. And
Speaker 1: I've talked to scout, well one scout in particular, about
Speaker 1: trying to assess Ohio State quarterbacks. It's the same thing
Speaker 1: with Alabama trying to assess them. It's the same thing
Speaker 1: with Oklahoma. Go back to Texas Tech. Texas Tech would
Speaker 1: always have the leading passer in the nation, but they
Speaker 1: weren't great pros. But you create a system there, whether
Speaker 1: it was Mike Leach creating a system there, Lincoln Riley
Speaker 1: and Oklahoma Ryan Day is really good with quarterbacks. You
Speaker 1: create this. Alabama opened things up. Lane Kiffen became the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, Steve Serkesian was there, and Nick Saban had
Speaker 1: to get with the times. It wasn't about running the
Speaker 1: football and playing defense. You had to open things up.
Speaker 1: And you watch Alabama. They always had all Americans wide receivers,
Speaker 1: great offensive line, and you'd have a running back taken
Speaker 1: in the first round. How am I assessing these quarterbacks here?
Speaker 1: And that makes it really challenging? Is it fair? Probably not.
Speaker 1: You go in almost with a bias, But I want
Speaker 1: to see what you do at least two years. I
Speaker 1: don't want a one year quarterback. That would make me nervous.
Speaker 1: You have to stay in college for three years. At
Speaker 1: least three years. I should be able to get enough
Speaker 1: of a sample size that I don't rely on one
Speaker 1: year because I learned more about Josh Allen the year
Speaker 1: after his talent left and they weren't a very good team.
Speaker 1: But I want to see you when you struggle, because
Speaker 1: that's what the NFL is. You're going to struggle. Now,
Speaker 1: what happens when you struggle? If I'm at Ohio State
Speaker 1: with those receivers, offensive line, offensive minded head coach, I'm
Speaker 1: probably gonna put up some great numbers there. What happens
Speaker 1: when you don't have that talent, That's what's hard to assess.
Speaker 1: And that's what these scouts will tell you. You're not
Speaker 1: quite sure. That's why I said I didn't want Dwayne Haskins,
Speaker 1: I didn't want Mitchell Trubisky. I didn't want Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: I need to see a little bit more, and I
Speaker 1: need to see it on a big stage. I saw
Speaker 1: everything I needed with Deshaun Watson. I mean, let's take
Speaker 1: away what has happened off the field. On the field,
Speaker 1: he did everything you wanted him to do. He beat
Speaker 1: Alabama a couple times, win at national title. There was
Speaker 1: no reason zero to take Mitchell Truebisky over him. Zero.
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, I just remember telling the Dan ats Man,
Speaker 1: guy's fun to watch. I had no idea that he
Speaker 1: would be great. I just knew it. It was a
Speaker 1: guy playing in the backyard and he's almost telling his
Speaker 1: receivers where to go, drawing plays in the dirt. That
Speaker 1: was it. And sometimes you can stay too long, and
Speaker 1: maybe Deshaun Watson stayed too long, like Trevor Lawrence. You know,
Speaker 1: all right, he's good, all right, he's really good. All right,
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna be the number one pick. And sometimes
Speaker 1: when you see those quarterback Matt Liinert stayed too long.
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, you know you're you're like, okay, now what
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Can you match those numbers? Oh?
Speaker 1: You can't. Maybe you're not as good. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: why it's such an inexact science. And these guys who
Speaker 1: get paid to do this, that's all they do, and
Speaker 1: you still can't do it with a high consistency because
Speaker 1: there are guys where you. You know, David Klingler had
Speaker 1: a ton of talent washed out. David Carr was as
Speaker 1: talented as any quarterback. He didn't last. Tim Couch thought
Speaker 1: he was great quarterback. JaMarcus Russell had as much challenge
Speaker 1: as any quarterback who's ever played. He didn't lose the talent,
Speaker 1: he lost the desire to want to be great. Ryan
Speaker 1: Leaf same way. What makes Tom Brady so great. He
Speaker 1: didn't have the talent anywhere near some of these guys.
Speaker 1: It's just weird. It's different, and you're gonna have that
Speaker 1: moment coming up, you know, next week. Anthony richardson ton
Speaker 1: of talent. You know, Will Levis Okay, it comes down
Speaker 1: to what do you do when you get out on
Speaker 1: the field. I don't care you're forty. I don't carry
Speaker 1: your combine. I don't care about anything. Game on the line.
Speaker 1: What do you do? Do you puck her up? Or
Speaker 1: do you perform last call? For phone calls, We're back
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Speaker 1: And Rich give me a hell yeah, last call for
Speaker 1: phone calls?
Speaker 10: What we learn?
Speaker 1: What's in store? Well, Reggie Miller's going to join us
Speaker 1: on Monday, all right. I always text with Reg usually
Speaker 1: during games, but during the commercials, I'll text text with Reg.
Speaker 1: So he'll join us. Coming up, Kevin Hart, the actor
Speaker 1: comedian's gonna join us. Now Fritzi does a Kevin Hart impersonation,
Speaker 1: or at least well, no, sorry that your mic was on. Okay, Uh,
Speaker 1: it sounds a little bit like the former presidential candidate
Speaker 1: Ross Parot. Ross put Ross Perot and Kevin Hart.
Speaker 4: Went to the supermarket.
Speaker 1: I bought some eggs with the eggs on the bottom.
Speaker 7: I don' why to put the eggs on the bottom.
Speaker 4: Egs cracked. Now he gets some eggs, Now to go
Speaker 4: back to the supermarket and put the brand on the top.
Speaker 1: Wait, is that Kevin Hart?
Speaker 4: I was Kevin Hart?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't think I came.
Speaker 4: In as much.
Speaker 9: I said, you gotta you gotta hear this great Kevin
Speaker 9: Harden personation.
Speaker 1: I do, no, but you still were doing it when
Speaker 1: I said, oh, we got Kevin Hart, and then you
Speaker 1: started your Kevin Harden.
Speaker 9: You guys to decide, is that on airworthy or is
Speaker 9: that something you say on the side that no one
Speaker 9: needs to hear?
Speaker 1: Ross pro is a trip though? Yeah he was? Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: Ross bros In Henhouse, I'm the eagle. Stand about actual
Speaker 1: Kevin Hart? Yeah, he bought an eagle, an actual eagle,
Speaker 1: and named it Jalen Hurts. But Kevin Heart will join
Speaker 1: us on the program tomorrow. U last call for phone calls.
Speaker 1: What we learned once in store tomorrow and let me
Speaker 1: see let me see what I got here, Mike and
Speaker 1: La Hey, Mike, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 6: Hey?
Speaker 1: Dan?
Speaker 11: Great show today, Good show, Fellas. That was a pretty
Speaker 11: astute observation. Yet, Ross Parrot, little twang that got thrown
Speaker 11: in there with Kevin Hart, I like that. That was
Speaker 11: pretty astute. Yeah. Hey, uh six three graduate Lakota High School?
Speaker 11: Where'd you go to high school? Dan?
Speaker 1: Mason?
Speaker 11: Okay you went to Mason's all right?
Speaker 6: Brother?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Hey, I'm gonna talk about Algin Baylor. I wanted your opinion.
Speaker 11: I still like to get it. But the stitches thing
Speaker 11: just was hear to my heart. I was in numb
Speaker 11: and I got whack and this Corman stitched me up.
Speaker 11: And I said to him, I would have morphine than
Speaker 11: the guys said to him, how many stitches did you
Speaker 11: give me? And he goes, I don't know how many
Speaker 11: damn stitches I gave you? Said, are you're belieding and
Speaker 11: you're still alive? Don't bother me?
Speaker 1: All right? Sure you know they give you morphine? All right, Sure,
Speaker 1: go ahead, stitch me up. I never had the liquid stitches. Now,
Speaker 1: I've been around somebody who did super glue, and he
Speaker 1: probably needed four or five stitches. He just put super
Speaker 1: glue on it. He was a little bit different breedy
Speaker 1: guy than I was. I couldn't watch him do it
Speaker 1: let alone. He was doing it to himself with the
Speaker 1: liquid glue. There Danny in Salt Lake, Hi, Danny, what's
Speaker 1: on your mind today?
Speaker 15: Hey Dan, thanks for taking my call here. I just
Speaker 15: wanted to call about our Handlin come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I had a similar situation. I played basketball at
Speaker 15: Utah State University and I collapsed and was saved by
Speaker 15: an a d similar similar to him. I wasn't on
Speaker 15: Monday Night football, but I just want to talk about
Speaker 15: the seriousness of that comeback. And you know, I played
Speaker 15: a couple of years two more years in college and
Speaker 15: a couple of years overseas after the fact, but right
Speaker 15: when I came back, my teammates were pretty afraid to
Speaker 15: touch me at all. So I'm sure you know it's
Speaker 15: going to be similar with tomorrow, and it's going to
Speaker 15: take a while to kind of get back to normal,
Speaker 15: just for everyone watching, you know, because it was it
Speaker 15: was on live TV and the biggest moment. But that's Ah,
Speaker 15: that's quite a comeback if you can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the of all the comebacks, that's a comeback.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the phone call, Danny, And I'm I'm sure
Speaker 1: you know, playing against him, like, at some point do
Speaker 1: you then stop thinking about that that if he does
Speaker 1: get hit. I mean it'd be once you play, you
Speaker 1: play that he's been cleared and you just have to
Speaker 1: be if you kind of pause or hold up or
Speaker 1: what that's when guys get injured, you just play. What'd
Speaker 1: you learn today? Tom Adam Lefko says Peter Peter. Peter
Speaker 1: has yelled on.
Speaker 9: Punks the let returners, no, not to run it back
Speaker 9: because there's nearly no NFL players named Peter.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a great point. I had never
Speaker 1: heard that. Seaton O'Connor John Robinson's a favorite now, yeah,
Speaker 1: we like him, Marv.
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