WEBVTT - Hour 3 - Max Scherzer Tossed for Illegal Substance, Mark Messier 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.560 You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:09.239 Sports Radio Final Hour on this Thursday, we'll check in 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:13.160 with a Hall of famer Mark Messier. Are you born 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.720 tough as a hockey player or you do you become 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:21.240 tough as a hockey player? Follow up on the story 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:25.279 with the Winnipeg Jets player Morgan Baron had seventy You 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:29.120 know what after seventy five they stopped counting. It was 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:32.479 at least seventy. If I'm going to get cut up 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:34.400 and they're gonna stitch me up, I want to be 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.159 able to tell people how many stitches I got, Like, 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.559 is it seventy seven? And is it seven? If I'm 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.400 getting them, you count them. Hey, we got to seventy 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.040 five and then we stopped counting. No, no, no, no, no. 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:47.559 We got to do this because I'm going to go 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:49.080 back there on the ice. I'm gonna be able to 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:53.000 tell people, Yeah, he had seventy seven stitches. I would 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.800 change my number to seventy five if i'm him, you know, 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.000 seventy five stitches? All right? So we'll talk to Messier 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.520 coming up here a little bit eight seven seven three 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.639 DP Show email address dpat dan Patrick dot com Twitter 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.360 handle at DP Show Secod Morning those watching on Peacock 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.640 Streaming partnering the LPGA's biggest stars, look to Shine Bright 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.560 first major of the year. 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Okay, mex ss mac Scherzer's dejection 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.280 was excessive accurate. 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.840 Okay, all right, so let me walk you through this. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:02.840 Pitches for the Mets, at least he did for a 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.360 little while yesterday and then he got tossed from the game. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:11.400 So you're allowed to have rosin and mixed with sweat 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.600 and gives you a little bit of a sticky feeling 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:21.840 substance there, and that's legal. But the umpiring crew noticed 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.600 something a little bit more and maybe something that was 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:29.040 Now they're looking for the color of things. That's how 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.200 you can tell if something's different. It was a darker 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:35.160 shade on his glove, and they noticed that it was 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:40.160 a little tackier, stickier, and then they thought okay, and 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.920 he's pleading his case and he's saying, look, I didn't 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:47.359 do anything wrong. It's rosin, it's sweat. And then he said, 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.160 I'll go wash it off. So they have somebody go 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.920 with him. He washes his hands and they want him 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:59.680 to change his glove. Well, then comes back out and 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.240 you know, everything's good. And then an inning later they said, hey, 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.160 you know what we're gonna We're gonna check him again. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.360 And then they check him again and then they found 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:12.040 that sticky substance again and it's a little darker, and 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.120 that's when they decided to run him. Here is Max 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:20.040 Scherzer pleading his case first of all, telling us what happened. 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.520 I'd have to be an absolute idiot to try to 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.640 do anything when I'm coming back out for the fourth 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.119 So I'm in front of the MLB official. That's that's 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.280 underneath here. I washed my hand with alcohol in front 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.040 of the official, I didn't apply a rosin and then 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.560 I grabbed sweat when I didn't, I didn't go back 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.640 out there, and Phil Causey says that my hand's too sticky. 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.680 I don't get yes, when you use sweat and rosin 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.080 your hands sticky, I don't get how I get ejected 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.080 when I'm when I'm in front of MB officials doing 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.720 exactly exactly what you want and being deemed my hand's 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.000 too sticky when I'm using legal substance. I do not 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:56.640 understand that. 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:58.160 And then he went on to say this. 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.520 I said, I swear my kid's life. I'm not using 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.400 anything else. This is sweat and rosin. Sweat and rosin. 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.680 I keep saying it over and over, and they touch 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:08.960 my hand, they say it's sticky, and I like, yes, 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.320 it is, because it's sweat and rosin, and they say 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.520 it's too sticky. They threw me out because of that. 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.360 Okay, And the umpire who threw out Max Scherzer has 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.760 thrown out three pitchers. No other umpire has ever thrown 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:26.360 anybody out for a sticky substance. But I think what 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:30.080 may have led to him being ejected was Okay, you 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.159 can have it on your hand but he has something 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.200 on his glove, and he can say, look, this is 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.000 rosin and sweat on my hand. What do you have 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.359 on your glove? Why else would you make him change 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:46.159 his glove because they were noticing something and it looked 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:50.160 different in shading in color, and they know what they're 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.000 looking for. I mean, guys have cheated, you know, for 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:58.440 centuries with Major League Baseball pitching. And where do I 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.680 put it? How can can I go there? Can I 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.160 do it in a way that I can hide it? 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.159 And guys who have tried in a variety of ways 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.000 to do it. I don't know Max Scherzer. I don't 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.880 know his history. He certainly sounds passionate in defending himself, 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.040 but then it's not like he's going to go all right, 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.520 you got me. Of course he's gonna I wanted to 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.719 hear Buck Showalter, and I did watch Buck show Walter 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.239 the manager. When he went out to the mound. Buck 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:33.279 was really calm, almost as if to say, man, can 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:38.640 I defend my picture? Even though maybe I can't defend 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.640 my picture? It feels like in that situation you almost 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.800 have to act like you're as mad as your picture is. 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.719 Like that's Mac Shurzer. He's a Hall of Famer. He's 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.719 not gonna cheat. Well, they had to be enough there. Now. 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.400 I don't know what happens with an appeal. I don't 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.400 know if any of these pictures have appealed this, and 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.839 if you know they it fell on deaf ears. But 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.239 he didn't get suspended. He just got tossed. I don't 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:11.320 know what he can say plead his case. And you know, 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.839 does Major League Baseball talk to this umpire to say, hey, 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.560 tell us exactly why you would run him here? What 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.440 was different? That's what I want to know. 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.560 Yeah, Ton, the appeal process does get slippery in situations. 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.160 Okay, it's just stick you know, get sticky. That's you 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.479 should have got sticky slippery, that's sticky situation. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:33.640 Yes, couldn't Max Shures have walked off after being ejective 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.719 from the game. Had someone take what was on his 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:37.760 hand and glove and put it in a plastic bag 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.040 and say go ahead and test it and we'll be here. 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:40.240 It is. 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.640 Here's what you've just kicked me out for. Test what's 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.000 in it? It's either if it's not rosin and sweat, 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.520 I'm out. And then you could decide to Intenzecus. Dan 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.440 Belino is a homeplate umpire and they did an interview 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.839 after the game. They talked to pool reporters. There's no 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:54.320 audio or video, it's just written. 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:55.080 He says. 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.400 One of the reasons they caught kicked him out is quote, 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.560 we know what ros and typically feels like an pitcher's hand. 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.200 We check every picture in every game, and everyone's using 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.080 the same exact rosin bag that's approved by Major League Baseball. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.640 Pictures don't have their own rosin bag. It's everyone has 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.040 the same. So it's really important this quote. So it's 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.480 really important to understand that when they claim it's just rosin. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.120 Every picture we check, we're accustomed to a certain rosin 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.560 residue on the pitcher's hand. The fact that this substance 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.640 went so much further was indicative that it was something 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.560 more likely than rosin that is making it more sticky 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:26.760 than any picture we had checked in the entire season. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.080 They are saying, the umps saying this was not straight rosin, 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.080 not just the location of it, but the material self. 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:35.400 They said it was so sticky that when I went 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.760 to grab his hand, it like popped when. 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.000 But he also said he had it on his non 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.920 pitching hand. Well, why would you have your non pitching 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.360 hand in a glove if you're going to use rosin. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.400 That to me didn't make sense. If you can use it, 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.080 then you use it on your pitching hand. Why do 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.760 I want it on my glove hand? And I think 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.960 what the umpires were looking at is there's different places 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.000 is where you can hide it on your glove. The 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.520 question is how does it blend in with your glove. Now, 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.840 guys will have a dark mit because you can hide 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.360 it a little bit. They'll also, you know, where you 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.720 have the eyelets on your glove. Sometimes those are bent 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.080 up where you can scuff the ball. I mean, there's 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:23.040 there's so many different ways to cheat. But I mean 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.800 they're saying to him, you can have ronsin. There's something 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.800 else here. Now that's what needs to be identified here. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.440 But if you're warning him, and this happens all the time, 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.439 by the way, it's not like they go and we're 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.240 seeing something here. The last thing they want to do 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.640 is slow down the game and bust him. But you 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.360 see this now. Sometimes you don't even see it on TV. 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.720 If you go to a game, they're inspecting the picture. 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.880 Sometimes it'll be like it's like a random drug test. 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.760 All right, come on over or you're going through TSA. 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.120 I'm going to put you to the side here. How 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.520 about they do that where they have you ever had 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.160 that where they take that little cloth and they wipe 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.200 you down, your hand and your your fingertips and then 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.360 they run it through. Maybe they could do that where well, 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:10.880 they don't want to slow the game down, so you 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.760 can't do that. But they had to see something, they 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:16.600 had to feel something, and that's the key. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:17.200 Yeah. 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:17.520 Point. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.680 At the end of the interview, the umpire said, quote, 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.320 that's the point of emphasis. To us, it was much 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.080 more sticky than anything we'd felt this entire season. Not 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.719 tacky sticky. It sounds silly, but a difference between tackiness 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:30.880 and stickiness. 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:31.640 Hmm. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:32.400 Yeah. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.280 They said it was not just a glob of stuff. 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:36.319 It was actually. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.719 But it was on his glove. Then they make him 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.120 change his glove and then he comes back out and 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.640 then they find it again on his glove an inning later, 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:47.480 I believe. 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.200 And he's saying he reapplied rosin and sweat legally with 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.120 an official over his shoulder watching him in the in. 0:09:54.080 --> 0:10:00.760 The dugoutd I don't know yeah, I don't know, but 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.200 to toss him, it has there has to be enough 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.040 there because the other umpires could go, the homeplate umpire 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.920 can go, Hey, no, I don't think there's enough. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.920 Here for them to agree that they're going to run him. 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.480 I mean, I'd imagine he uses it on his glove hands, 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.240 because that's what you go to when you want to 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:21.240 reapply it to your pitching hand, right, I mean I 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.000 don't know that that's if that's legal or not. 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.560 But well, but so he puts rosin, why not just 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.720 do the rosin and sweat on your pitching hand, right, 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:32.440 Why do I have to have it on my So 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:33.640 I have to take my glove off. 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.080 And now if you have it like right towards your 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.200 like the bottom of your palm, yeah, like that's where 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:42.160 you would hide illegal stuff. Yes, it's right there, yes, yes, 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.200 but you could also have it over there. But one 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.160 of his defenses was he was just like, it's not 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.800 even on my hand, it's on my glove hand. Whatever 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.319 it's like, Well, then you just go to your glove 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.559 hand and then now it's back on your pitching hand. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.360 Yes, so I can dab it and now I have 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.280 enough on my pitching hand. I like, when was it 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.520 Garrett Cole when they were saying that he was using 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.640 that what sport tack or something, and he said, oh, 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.520 spider tack. He goes, I'm a yeah, but I don't. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.680 I'm protecting the hitter. I don't want to throw a 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:11.960 breaking ball and it won't break. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:16.079 I'll go, oh, okay, very thought, safety safety issue. 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.000 Very I'm using steroids so I could carry furniture for 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.880 people when they move and hit home runs. 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:23.880 Oh yeah, not that, yes, to. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:24.720 Machine could be right. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.760 Maybe it's like a palette and a paint brush where 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.559 one side gets dry and you kind of you need 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.760 to dip into the glove area to get a little 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.160 more of the fresh wet stuff that's now dried up 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:33.920 on your pitching hand. 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.480 But how am I going to get the wet stuff 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:38.439 if it's dried up? 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.560 If whatever you're doing with your pitching hand. 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.200 Do you think, okay, do you think that Max Scherzer 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:48.840 was using was he cheating tod I'm going to say, no, 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:54.040 all right, seating? Was he cheating? No? 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:58.959 Was he probably bending the le Okay, I'm a little 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:00.559 more of a gray area guy. 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.840 Here, Dan Marvin, No, Paulie. 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.040 There is a caveat on the rule that you're not 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.440 allowed to mix rosin and sweat and sunblock. Yeah, he 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.920 could have tons and tons of sunblock on him and 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:15.280 that's the extra material. 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.000 I don't think he was cheating. 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.400 Tough, but like there are rules about it. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.360 To be his lawyer, Yeah, when you're allowed to like 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.440 how many times? I wish I could find this real quick, 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.480 but like when you're allowed to, are you allowed to 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.000 touch your neck and then go to the ball and 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:30.360 then whatever? 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:31.320 There's rules about that. 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.840 Yeah, that you're not allowed to touch your hat and then 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:35.520 your neck and then the ball or things like that. 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.120 You can grab your junk, you can't grab your neck. Correct, 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.720 It doesn't say that in code two point seven. That's true. 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.240 You could a you went to your junk too many times? 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.720 Gott to run yet, Yeah, well that would be Todd's life. 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.439 What are you saying, Tom, Should. 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.000 We have a pitchclock for the umpires where they only 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:54.840 have twenty seconds of determined if someone's cheating, and if 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:56.960 after twenty seconds they can't figure it out, then he's 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:58.680 free to go back on the mountain do whatever he's doing. 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:00.280 Yes, well, they kind of do. 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.000 They have a brief period of time between innings to 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:04.600 do their game check of the picture. 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.280 They can't just sit there and make him wait. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:10.320 I think he was. I think he was exploring the rules. 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.720 I think he was bending the rules a little bit there, exploring. 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.040 I like that one exploring the parameter. 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:23.840 Yes, yes, yes, the Christopher Columbus of pictures. I was exploring. Yes, Tom. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:25.400 And what is it about the feel of rozin where 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.520 you have to mix sweat with it? That line jumped 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.520 out at me. I know it's within the rules sweat 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:31.400 and rosin, But he's like, I had the rosin and 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.880 then I mixed some sweat with it, Like why do 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.160 you need to mix sweat with after you touch the 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:36.719 rosin band? 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.280 Well, as maybe the only person in this room who 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:44.160 is pitched at a high school level, I would have 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.360 you know, if you had the rosin and you had 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:52.480 some sweat, it makes it stickier. It's cheater. Hey, if 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.760 I could have cheated, I would have yes. 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.679 As the only person in this room that pitched at 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.920 a high school And yeah, we never had rosin. 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.280 Yeah you couldn't fancy. It's like, what are you talking about? 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:04.439 Man? 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:06.040 Just stick your hand in the spit in your hand, 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.280 rub it in the dirt. Yeah, do something like that. 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.320 But if you well, we should get a rosin bag. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.040 And if I just said and it dries your hand, 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.080 you don't want it your hand dry, You want it wet. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.680 The rosin will dry out your hand, you know. So 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.080 if I put sweat with it, now all of a 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.440 sudden we got a little substance there. And now I 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:31.320 can bring some cheese as as only I could. Here's 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:35.640 some cheese. Let me see you get a piece of that? Yes, Tod, 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:37.000 And I guess. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:38.920 They have to almost they have to make it legal 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.240 sweat and rosin mix, because how do you determine that? 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:48.640 Well, your sweat is don't touch yourself, Patrick Ewing. 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.040 Measure the levels of sweat. Once you reach a certain 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:52.680 level of sweat, then you can't blame anymore. 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.520 Let me take a break, Let's get our act together. 0:14:56.280 --> 0:15:00.720 Mark Messier tough guy. But are you born when you 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.440 play hockey or you become a tough guy when you 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:09.040 play hockey? How many stitches has Messi a taken over under? 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.840 Like his entire there are people, okay, in your entire life. 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:18.240 If you had seventy five stitches, anybody had, what's the 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.000 most stitches, Todd, you probably had a few. 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.640 I had twelve stitches in my wrist and probably a 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.080 lot of stitches across my stomach. 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:28.120 I don't know if it was seventy stitches, okay, and 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:28.840 why you're a wrist? 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:29.760 Oh? 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:31.800 When I was a little kid, I was trying to 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.160 lift weights in my uncle's house in Long Island, and 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.280 for whatever reason, there was a glass table behind the weights, 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.000 and I lifted it up one time and. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:39.520 I was like, wow, I'm going to call my cousin 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:40.440 and so check this out. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:42.520 Didn't work as well the second time, I dropped it 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:43.880 and cut the glass table in half. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:45.520 Glass fell up in there. I look at my wrist 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.400 and I'm crushing blood. How to be rushed to the 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.000 hospital to sew up my left wrist? 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.120 I think there was a columnist who said that this 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:57.760 player for the Winnipeg Jets was leaking blood. It's an 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.760 app description, but that's a tough one where you're going, 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.720 you know, man, he was leaking blood and then went 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:09.320 to get seventy five stitches. Sh anybody have more than 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:10.760 twenty stitches? Seeton? 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:15.640 No, No, I haven't had many stitches at all. You 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:16.240 know what's crazy? 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:16.400 Now? 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:16.600 Too. 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.680 Is that they're liquid stitches. Have you seen that they do? 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.760 Like my son had a I don't know how many 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.840 stitches he would have had in his face, but he 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.760 got hit with a flashlight and he had to have 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.240 stitches right under his eye and it was all liquid. 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.640 They just basically filled it in like blue. Yeah, and 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.840 we're like all right, yeah, should be good, see you later. Yeah. 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:37.440 And someone them have electro likes now where you can 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.600 choose fruit punch or orange or grape. It's like all 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.040 kinds of flavored stitches too. 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:46.000 No. See see, you don't leave people in stitches. 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Be sure to catch us live every 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.439 weekday morning nine until noon eastern sixty nine Pacific on 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.879 Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us on the 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:13.119 iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on the 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.720 Peacock app. More phone calls coming up. We spent a 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.399 little bit of time yesterday talking about Morgan Baron. He 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.920 plays for the Winnipeg Jets, and he took at least 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.760 seventy five stitches and then came back the next period, 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.320 and I was wondering, are you born tough or do 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.159 you become tough when you become a hockey player. And 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.000 then I said to Fritzy, why don't you see if 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.560 we could get Mark Messier on. Let's do over under 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.880 stitches that Mark has had in his career. Todd, I'll 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.120 start with you. Has has Messier had at least seventy 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:46.280 five total stitches? 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.800 Yes, I was going to guess something in the neighborhood. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:53.000 Of ninety three Seaton at one time or total total. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:57.440 I'm gonna go one seventy five, one seventy five Yet, Marvin. 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.440 I'm gonna go one twenty three, Paulie. 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.959 I'm going underwent. Mark gave out stick exactly. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:06.720 He gave out exactly exactly. I'll say, Messy a less 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.320 than twenty five stitches, he joins us. Now, all right, 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:13.280 mess how many stitches in your twenty year career? 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.760 I would have zero idea how many, but I know 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.800 it was more than I know it was more than twenty. 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:24.119 Okay, I know it was. 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.360 Less than a thousand. But somewhere in between. 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.600 What's the worst injury you got where you had to 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:32.320 get stitches? 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:36.399 You know that's a great question. 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:40.000 I was pretty lucky in a lot of aspects from 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.600 injury standpoint. I never had a cut where I had 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.000 seventy five stitches like Baron did the other night. That 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.440