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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Norri with you,

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Speaker 2: Maxim Firk with us Maximum in your book, Cole Regent Hodoo,

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Speaker 2: you're right about a doctor Frederick Lamont Santi.

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Speaker 3: Tell us about him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, doctor Sant was. Actually he was my neighbor.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 4: I lived in Berwick, Pennsylvania, and he was right up

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Speaker 4: the road in a place called walt Walapon. But doctor

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Speaker 4: Santi was the high priest of the Covenan of the

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Speaker 4: Catta that was in wolf Wallapon. He was a child prodigy.

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Speaker 4: He could read English and German at the age of three.

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Speaker 4: He could translate the Caesars Gaelic Wars at age a,

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Speaker 4: you know, from Latin to England English. And he was

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Speaker 4: the oldest person to attend Harvard University graduate at Magna Cumlada.

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Speaker 4: He was called Bertram Russell said that he will be

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Speaker 4: the greatest abstract thinker of the twentieth century. Time magazine

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Speaker 4: called him a living child prodigy. And what he did

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Speaker 4: was he befriended people like Alistair Krause or Alistair Crowley

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Speaker 4: and George Kettteridge who was an English professor. He introduced

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Speaker 4: him to the occult. But it was Civil Leak, you know,

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Speaker 4: the world's most famous witch that he befriended. And in

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Speaker 4: nineteen sixty seven she came to wop all of them

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Speaker 4: and initiated his covenant the Cata. You know, she had

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Speaker 4: the coven of the Horsa, well, he had the coven

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Speaker 4: of the Cata. He loved cats, and she came to

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Speaker 4: wop all of them with her son Julian and her publicist.

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Speaker 4: She was really one thing about Civil Leak. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think that she introduced the world to witchcraft. She

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Speaker 4: had a thing called Diary of a Witch that she published,

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Speaker 4: and this is right after England repeating their Witchcraft Act,

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Speaker 4: that was in nineteen fifty one. But simpilely claimed that

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Speaker 4: she was a druid, not just a witch, but that

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Speaker 4: the druids were like the priests class well, which is

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Speaker 4: where the working class. So she came to walk ball

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Speaker 4: up and initiated the coven with doctor santi and you know,

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Speaker 4: just amazing the people he that gravitated to him, and

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Speaker 4: that he gravitated too. Again, he was a genius and

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Speaker 4: I just think maybe he had that higher vibration, that

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Speaker 4: higher level of consciousness that he associated with people that

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Speaker 4: you know, like minded people with the similar values. So

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Speaker 4: just an amazing individual. He was my doctor, he was

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Speaker 4: my friend. I interviewed him, I was there at his funeral,

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Speaker 4: and you know, just an amazing individual, very kind. And

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Speaker 4: he told me about the coven but the Wicca craft

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Speaker 4: and you know, taught me a lot.

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Speaker 3: What did he think of the paranormal?

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Speaker 4: Well, what he said was this is a great question,

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Speaker 4: thank you. He said that there was no difference between

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Speaker 4: the paranormal and science. He said, the only thing is

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Speaker 4: that we haven't found the laws that apply. And the

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Speaker 4: example I use all the time is, you know, you

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Speaker 4: watch an apple fall, so there, you know, and what

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Speaker 4: you see is the apple falling, and you know what

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Speaker 4: caused it is gravity, you know, so there's cause and effect.

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Speaker 4: But with other things, lights in the sky, orbs, anomalies, spirits,

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Speaker 4: whatever the other paranormal things are, they may have a

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Speaker 4: scientific basis, according to doctor Santi, but we just haven't

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Speaker 4: figured out what they are, or we misunderstand them or

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Speaker 4: misrepresent them. So in my book, Coreach and who do

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Speaker 4: I tried to do that. I try to nudge you

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Speaker 4: know aspects of the paranormal and the spiritual to a

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Speaker 4: closer to the scientific. Again, just as my contribution to

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Speaker 4: the genre. You know, that's what I want to do.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm you know, I enjoyed doing this and

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Speaker 4: I consider myself an academic and so anyway, but doctor

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Speaker 4: Santi was a great individual and I was I'm really

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Speaker 4: blessed been able to have met him and you know,

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Speaker 4: spent some quality time with him.

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Speaker 3: You also had a chance to meet the great Ed

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Speaker 3: and Lorraine Warren. God rest their souls.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So back home in northeastern Pennsylvania, in West Pittston,

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Speaker 4: we have a thing house called the Schmurle Haunted House,

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Speaker 4: and it was sort of like Amityville in the case.

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Speaker 4: In the case that it had. They were experiencing horrible

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Speaker 4: odors in the house, grunning sounds, profanities being etched in

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Speaker 4: the mirror. The collie was levitated and thrown across the room.

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Speaker 4: And then Jack Schmurle, the husband, claimed that he was

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Speaker 4: raped by a female demon, a succubus. So anyway, Ed

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Speaker 4: and Lorraine Warren helped co write a book about called

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Speaker 4: The Haunted, about the Schmurle Haunting, and they started a

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Speaker 4: fifteen city tour back in nineteen eighty eight. So I

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Speaker 4: got permission to go there and interview them, and I

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Speaker 4: took these photographs, I mean, really great shots, interviewed them

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Speaker 4: about demonology and about his beliefs. They were Catholic demonologists,

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Speaker 4: you know, they were responsible for the con well because

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Speaker 4: of their notoriety, the Conjuring franchise was put together. It's

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Speaker 4: the most successful horror franchise out there. I think it

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Speaker 4: netted something like two point one billion dollars. But again,

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Speaker 4: here's really good example that the paranormal and slash horror

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Speaker 4: has gone mainstream and that there's an appetite for that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, to the to the tune of two point

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Speaker 4: one million dollars or a billion dollars. So they were

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Speaker 4: great people. They treated me with a lot of respect

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Speaker 4: and helped walk me through a lot of this stuff

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Speaker 4: and you know, answer a lot of my you know,

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Speaker 4: you know, adolescent questions. But ed in Lorrain, they were

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Speaker 4: good people.

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Speaker 2: You wrote a book back not too far just a

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Speaker 2: few months ago, called The Lost Tribes of Bigfoot that

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Speaker 2: was banned an affair.

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Speaker 3: What happened, Yeah, I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Sure what happened. I have a chapter there called is

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Speaker 4: Bigfoot the New Religion? And I believe that, you know,

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Speaker 4: I have I put some some statistics together, and I'm

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Speaker 4: a baby Boomer. My group was born between nineteen forty

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Speaker 4: six and nineteen sixty four. And they compared Baby Boomers

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Speaker 4: with Generation Z. The oldest Zoomer is twenty seven years old.

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Speaker 4: They were born after I think nineteen ninety seven. But

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Speaker 4: with my baby Boomer group, sixty four percent of us

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Speaker 4: believed in God and organized relige. With the Zoomers only

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Speaker 4: twenty four percent belief in God in organized religion. I

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Speaker 4: believe that that human beings are our spiritual creatures. You know,

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Speaker 4: we're made in the likeness of God. That's my personal belief.

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Speaker 4: But I think we have to express that spirituality somehow,

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Speaker 4: and if we don't do it by going to the church,

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Speaker 4: the temple, the mosque, then some people, I think, do

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Speaker 4: it by going out looking for sasquatch, which is their

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Speaker 4: higher power. They sit around the campfire they have, you know,

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Speaker 4: people like minded people, shared values, all of that. I

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Speaker 4: spoke about that in my book and I believe that

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Speaker 4: I stepped on some toes, maybe some right wing evangelicos

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Speaker 4: specifically talking about the creationists, who I believe are very

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Speaker 4: much anti science. And I think this being the Lost

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Speaker 4: but that's what I think. But I talked about that

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Speaker 4: we stopped in Kentucky to see the Arc encounter, and

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Speaker 4: this is the largest wooden structure. It's built, you know, Cuba,

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Speaker 4: by Cuba, you know, to the Specs, and they had

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Speaker 4: in the Arc they had the cages with the little animals,

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Speaker 4: the giraffes and the sheep and the goats, but they

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Speaker 4: also had cages for t rex and they had cages

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Speaker 4: for stegosaurs. And it's my understanding that man did not

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Speaker 4: walk the earth with the dinosaurs. You know, there was

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Speaker 4: man came later. So I wrote about this in the

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Speaker 4: Lost Tribes of Bigfoot in the chapter is Bigfoot the

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Speaker 4: New Religion? And again I go against some of the tenants,

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Speaker 4: the anti science tenants of the creationists, which you know,

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Speaker 4: I think they need to go back to school and

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Speaker 4: do some some learning. But again, that's my that's what

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Speaker 4: I believe. I'll always speak out against the anti science

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Speaker 4: be it. You know, I could I could live with that.

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Speaker 4: So I'm you know, I could really live with us.

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Speaker 2: The hoaxers drive you nuts, don't they, maxim They sure do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they discredit us, you know, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: we try hard. You know, your your your coast to

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Speaker 4: And there's hoaxers and anti science people that are just

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Speaker 4: taking us back you know, another one hundred years. And

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Speaker 4: They're just like not good people, you know, uh, you

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Speaker 4: know I uh and we've I've seen this. I talk

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Speaker 4: about this in my in the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there were hoaxers left and right. And I

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Speaker 4: have a chapter on the Piltdown Man and also the

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Speaker 4: Minnesota Iceman, and those were two examples of hoaxers and

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Speaker 4: that that put out, you know, these lies, this this

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Speaker 4: information that was bought that the scientific and the political

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Speaker 4: we're that we're finding and going towards, whether it's in

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Speaker 4: if we're gonna deny that truth, and why even have

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Speaker 3: You write a lot about the Patterson Gimlin film. Tell

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, yeah, I have a lot of references to

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Speaker 4: that in the Lost Treasure of Bigfoot. But that was

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Speaker 4: nineteen sixty seven and Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin were

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Speaker 4: to make a documentary. So they were shooting film and everything,

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Speaker 4: the bend and Patterson's on the leaf horse. Giblin was

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Speaker 3: In northern California, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, northern California, and going around the bend, and all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden they see this sasquatch. It was a female,

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Speaker 4: you could see the breast, and they called her Patty.

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Speaker 4: She looked at Patterson and then starts taking off, and

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Speaker 4: And when they looked at the tracks, the tracks were

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Speaker 4: believe that this is our equivalent to say, the two

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Speaker 4: I mean, both of these are you know, the proof

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Speaker 4: I mean, not tangible physical bodies, but proof that there's

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Speaker 4: and neither can the scientific community. That Patterson Gimlin film

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Speaker 4: you know, it's just an amazing piece of evidence, you know,

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Speaker 4: for those that are you know, I believe have a

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Speaker 3: It's the best bigfoot video and film out there.

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Speaker 4: Yes, correct, I agree. I agree on One interesting thing

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Speaker 4: is with John Napier. He was the British primatologist, and

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Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy two Napier, who was working at the Smithsonian,

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Speaker 4: thought that that Patterson Gimlin film was a hoax. And

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Speaker 4: he said that because Patty's upper body was more ape

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Speaker 4: like and the bottom portion was more a hominids, you know, bipedal.

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Speaker 4: And then in nineteen seventy four, lo and behold, they

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Speaker 4: discover Lucy the athri Opithecus in Ethelpia. And here Lucy

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Speaker 4: which was man's oldest relative. Lucy that was discovered in

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Speaker 4: John Napier changed his mind and said, you know what,

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Speaker 4: I think that this Patterson Gimlin film is authentic. You know,

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Speaker 4: he had scientific proof, you know, from these archaeologists in Ethiopia.

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Speaker 4: So that was pretty interesting how that came together. You know,

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Speaker 4: he from seventy two to seventy four, and they named

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Speaker 4: Lucy after the Beatles Lucy in the sky with diamonds,

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Speaker 4: So that's where that name came from. Pretty interesting.

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Speaker 3: What does your guy tell you about big Footpacksum, well.

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Speaker 4: I know there's a lot of I straddle both sides

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Speaker 4: of it. First of all, these bigfoot believers that believe

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Speaker 4: in flesh and blood. You know, that's okay, But I

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Speaker 4: mean when you look at what proof they have. They

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Speaker 4: have eyewitness reports, they have the footprints, you know, the

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Speaker 4: casts that are bigger than man or bear, and the

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Speaker 4: strides they have, the sound, they have, the smell, there's

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Speaker 4: always that smell. So you have all these things, put

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Speaker 4: these things together and there's something there. There's something that

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Speaker 4: But I don't go there. I believe that, I say,

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Speaker 4: if it's not flesh and blood, then what is it?

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Speaker 4: And I believe that it's I believe in the inner

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Speaker 4: dimensional theory that Bigfoot may be a shape shifter in

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Speaker 4: between dimensions or parallel universes. I mean, we don't know,

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Speaker 4: but I think that's the mechanism by which you know,

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Speaker 4: we see them and then we don't. So I think

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Speaker 4: there's a real high degree of of the paranormal involved

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Speaker 4: with with Bigfoot, you know again, but we just don't

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