1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: He's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: I am Dale Lilly here with Matt Williamson and Matt 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: in the last couple of days here. Um. The Steelers 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: have begun their second wave of interviews for general manager candidates. Uh. 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: They've they've targeted the three three of the guys that 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: they're bringing back, and we don't know if you know 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: any any other ones. Is obviously a lot of this 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: comes from the from the agents. Right. They talked to, UH, 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: Titans Vice president of player personnel Ryan Calden. He was 11 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: one of the first guys they interviewed. Actually broke that story, 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: thank you very much. UM. Buccaneers vice president and boff 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: player personnel John spy Tech should work with the Patriots 14 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: and former Steelers pro scouting director and Biddles general manager 15 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: Doug Whaley is the third guy that they're going to 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: talk to now. If they do this the way they've 17 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: done things in the past, they typically only have three 18 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: finalists for a job, right, like the Tomlin higher and 19 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: usually narrow it down to three. Huh yeah, and the 20 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: Cower Hires the same way like this is This is 21 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: what makes us so interesting is that there the Steelers don't. 22 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: It's been twenty two years since since Kevin Colvert was hired. 23 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: I don't remember. I don't I'll be honest with you, 24 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: I don't recall that search. A whole lot about that 25 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: kind of lost the power struggle with Kaer and they 26 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: got what was I mean, no offense to Kevin was 27 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: basically a relative unknown. I mean, I remember they got hired, 28 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: and I wasn't close to the team then, but it 29 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: was he's from around here, he's from the Lions. People 30 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: talk highly of them. That's all I know about the guy, 31 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, and obviously he far exceeded those 32 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: you know, the qualifications. But it's kind of like the 33 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger replacement search. Is what's their m O when 34 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: they go looking for a GM. I don't know. I mean, 35 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: not to mention. I mean, ownership is the same family, 36 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: but it's a different man in charge, you know, like 37 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: we don't know what their process is. Yeah, I mean, 38 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: the whole thing is different. I do know that that 39 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin is going to sit in on the second 40 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: in this second round of interviews because he didn't do 41 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: that in the first wave. Um, and I know people are, well, 42 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: Tomlin's gonna have to he'll he'll rubber stamp this. Whoever 43 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: the the GM is, well, yeah, that's how this works. 44 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: In fact, I talked to Bill Kauer uh about a 45 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: week and a half ago, maybe two weeks ago now, 46 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: um about the search when when Colbert was hired. And 47 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: guess what, folks, Bill Cower said it on those interviews. 48 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: And I think he should right, because you have to 49 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: work with that guy. See, it's not like we just 50 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: hired this young, up and coming coach that we're excited about. 51 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if it was Tomlin's rookie year as the 52 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: head coach, I don't know that or Cowards or Knolls 53 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: or whatever, or Belichicks or anyone you know that it 54 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: would they should have much of a say. You know, 55 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: But if you've been there and done it and understand 56 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: the league and you're on the competition committee, you know, 57 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: like Tomlin's highly highly respected around the league as one 58 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: of the premier coaches of his generation. I think it'd 59 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: be crazy not to get his input. That that doesn't 60 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: mean that he's going to have the final say. He 61 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: absolutely won't, But you want those two to get along, 62 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: and you would love your head coach to put his 63 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: staff of approval on him and or even rank them. 64 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: You know, here's five names, coach, Who do your favorite? Who? 65 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: Which guy did you like the best? Yeah, and we'll see, 66 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: we'll see where with matches up that Yeah or any 67 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: of them? A flat out no for you. And if 68 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: I was, you know, the owner, I would probably eliminate 69 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: that guy unless I was totally in love with them, 70 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, like boy attics don't see our personalities getting along. Okay, cool, 71 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: thanks for input. We probably won't go that direction. Who 72 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: are your favorite too? I like Johnny and Freddie? Okay, great, thanks, 73 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: But honestly, I mean, like I know for a fact 74 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: Dona Ho set in on cowards hiring the interviews, like 75 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: that's right, right, right, that's what the Steelers do. That's 76 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: smart because those guys are gonna have to work together 77 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: right right right. And you know when I talked to 78 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: Cower about that, he said, look, I met him during 79 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: the process. I knew he had a background in western 80 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and he went to high school there. We knew 81 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: a lot about him in his time in Detroit with 82 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: Ronnie Hughes, and then after we went through the proceinus, 83 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: Mr Rooney made the decision. It's just seemed like a 84 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: really natural fit. We hit it off from the beginning. 85 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: It's still going to be Art Rooney's decision with input 86 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: from the head coach. I mean, if I retired tomorrow, 87 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't you want some input of who your next host 88 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: would be? Yeah, hey, Dale, here here's what you're gonna 89 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: work with. Really, I don't know that guy. I don't 90 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: know the guy, and I don't like anything about out him. 91 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: Or oh that sounds cool, or here's three names would 92 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: you like best? Okay, that works? You know, it only 93 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: makes sense to me. I mean they have to work 94 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: hand in hand and do different jobs. Quick question for you. 95 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: I know Tomlin has a lot of power now, and 96 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: we only need to have labs on to tell us 97 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: how the power structure in the league works. You know, like, 98 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: no one's walking down to the end of the office 99 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, I just fired his coach, and 100 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: what do you think about that? You know, to the owner. 101 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 1: You know, the owner is going to be the final 102 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: decision maker forever and ever. But my hunches Tomlin will 103 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: have more power than the new GM whoever that is no, no, okay, 104 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: because that's not the way they do it. That's not 105 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 1: the way they do it. They're gonna trust whoever they hire. Power. 106 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: Power is a weird word. It's a weird word because 107 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: the the he has more, he might have a little 108 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: more pool m with Art Rooney, sure, because he's been 109 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: there and done it. But the way that their power 110 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: structure works, everybody answers start Rooney h and people are 111 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: getting the ticket people and you know the people are 112 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: he has a title team for he his team president 113 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: and that means a lot in this organization. In other 114 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: organizations it doesn't mean anything, right right, The business people, 115 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: the football people, the groundskeepers, they all answered to the 116 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: same office. Yes, it's a it's a pyramid, and there's 117 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: one head at the top, the next two guys down 118 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: from that top, if if there's two or three or 119 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. But the two of the guys 120 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: who are on that next year down are the head 121 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: coach in the gm H. They don't report to anybody 122 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: in between. There's no buffer. As Michael Corlean right right, 123 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: you're right, right, right. What people need to understand about this, 124 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: they're getting too caught up in the term general manager 125 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: and thinking about this, thinking about this is as if 126 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: it's the same, it has the same meaning, and it does. 127 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: In the thirty one other organizations, it does not. They 128 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: could call it whatever you want. What it what it 129 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: really is is still director of Football Operations. And then 130 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: what that means is that he runs the scouting department. Yes, 131 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: this isn't necessarily relevant, but when I was director of 132 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: football Relations or director of football Operations at Akron or 133 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: Crystal Salah at PIT, not to minimize those jobs at all. 134 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: Basically what that was at the college level was you 135 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: handle everything that's not on the field, you know, the recruiting, 136 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: the travel, those type of things. In the NFL, that 137 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: is roster building. I mean, that's all football, but nothing 138 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: that happens on game day or practices. It's organizing a 139 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: scouting staff. You know, that pyramid will go new GM 140 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: with Director of College Scouting being one of his arms, 141 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: at Director of Pro Scouting being the other arm, and 142 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: then those guys will have area scouts or whatever answer 143 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: to AM. So just to kind of give you how 144 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: the NFL teams are structured, and that new GM will 145 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: report to Mr Rooney and the Director of College scouting, 146 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: the director of pro scouting will be the ones that 147 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: directly report to him. Correct And that's how this works. 148 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: But it really is with the Steelers when they talk about, 149 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: you know, a draft pick or something of that nature 150 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: being a Steeler pick, or they sit down and they say, 151 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: we came to a we came to uh, you know, 152 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: this was the decision that we made. It really is that, 153 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: like you, they all have a voice in the entire process. 154 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: Art Rooney's the tiebreaker, h he his decision breaks all ties. 155 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: In fact, his decision is the decision is the decision. Well, okay, 156 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: that that's great. Now he may trust he may say, well, 157 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: you know the the you know, Mike wants to do 158 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: this or Kevin wants to do this, but he would 159 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: break the tie with those two. But it becomes they 160 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: have they talk about this where they all sit down, 161 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: they talk it out, and then they come to a decision. 162 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: And I'm sure Mr Rooney is more involved, for example, 163 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: in the signing of Mitch Robinsky or the first round pick, 164 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: then he is the sixth round pick, you know, Like, 165 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: I don't think he's losing a ton of sleep if 166 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: they go with a fullback or a safety or a 167 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: defensive tackle in the six and seventh round. You know 168 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: he's aware, but I don't think it's like, you know, 169 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: the bigger the job, the more he's gonna get involved. Well, 170 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: where he might get involved in something like that would 171 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: be if the guy has and off the field issue 172 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: off the field, and to is this something that's too bad? 173 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: You know, he had a d u I or he 174 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: had some just throwing it out there when he was 175 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: eighteen years old, but he hadn't did anything since. Is 176 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: that is that okay? And then he would say yes 177 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: or no. My hunch educated, you know, and kind of 178 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: been down that road a little bit. I would think 179 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: that Kevin or whomever has a long meeting with Mr 180 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: Rooney a week, two weeks, four weeks whatever before the 181 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: draft and said, here's all our red flag guys. Who 182 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: can get a check, who can get the stamp approval, 183 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: and who can't. Here's the case for each and every 184 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: one of them. And you know, some of them are 185 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: probably very easy. You know, boom, that's a no, no, 186 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: no and when and a no means no, no, isn't 187 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: he's okay? In the third round? No means you take 188 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: him off your board, right, take that magnet and throw 189 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: it in the trash and he doesn't exist. You know, 190 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: you'll play against him some day, he said, Right, I 191 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: bet that's how it goes. And it's just different from, 192 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: for example, from what I've heard people talk about. I'm 193 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: just going to use them as an example. The Jaguars 194 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: right right, right right. You know where Trent Balkie the 195 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: general manager really and Mark Lamping is a team president, 196 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: but Trmp Balki handled all the on field football stuff, 197 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: all of it because Shot Khan was never there. Your owners, 198 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: your owners never in the building. He's Sean kan is 199 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: just the owner. That's what he does. He owns the 200 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: team and has somebody, Yeah I mean he let's pretend 201 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: I own rental property in Florida. Well I own it, 202 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: but I have somebody taken care of it, you know 203 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: what I mean. A lot of teams like that, you 204 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I'm not there every day. 205 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna go there. I might go there for 206 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: a week and take the family or whatever, but it's 207 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: an investment. I'm hiring someone to deal with it. And 208 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of owners in this league, and you 209 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: can understand why there aren't football people. I mean the 210 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: Rooneys grew up in the family business where many people 211 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: made their fortune elsewhere, and then decided to buy a 212 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: football team, right yeah, I mean they are in the 213 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: business of football. That's what they do. They're in the 214 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: building every day. There there aren't many owners around the league, 215 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: um who are in the building every day. Art Rooney 216 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: watches practice every day. He's He then meets with Kevin 217 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: Colbert and Mike Tomlin after each practice every day and 218 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: they'll sco out in the field. You see him a 219 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: training camp. They go out on the field and they'll 220 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: they'll talk about, you know, everything that's going on on 221 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: the field for ten fifteen minutes, and what happens in 222 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: those conversations. They could be talking about what where they're 223 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: going to dinner that night, for all I know that 224 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: they have. They do have that conversation. That doesn't happen 225 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: everywhere in the league. No, And I'm sure again I'm 226 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: guessing I've been a lot of owners. Don't know the 227 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: difference between cover two and Cover three or you know, 228 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, what's what's twelve personnel? I don't know. You know, 229 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: I see when they win and lose, and I clap 230 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: when they score touchdowns, you know, like and I don't 231 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: know if Mr Rooney knows a lot of stuff or not. 232 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: I bet he does. I mean idea has an idea 233 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: of hey, and we go to our sub packages. We 234 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: need a safety that can run better than the guy 235 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: we have, you know, things like that. Yeah. Yeah, so, 236 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: I mean they have those conversations. But too many people 237 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: are getting caught up in that title of general manager. 238 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: Kevin Colbert didn't have that title when he was first hired. 239 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: He was again director of football Operations, which is what 240 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: Donna Tom Donna who had been which is what you know. 241 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: The people who held that job before him at Dick 242 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: Coke or Dick Hailey had that had that job before 243 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: Tom Donahoe. They were director of football operations. They ran 244 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: the scouting department. Yeah. The reason that Kevin Colbert got 245 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: the general manager title, as he told us after he 246 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: got the title, he said, look, it really doesn't mean anything. 247 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: I didn't get any new duties or anything like that. 248 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: But when he was going out on scouting trips, he 249 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: was getting put with the rest of the scouts, which 250 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: isn't as good as a situation because the scouts would 251 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: be put in the in the stands, and he would 252 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: look up in the stands, in the in the in 253 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: the press box. In all the league's general managers, the 254 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: people had the general manager title. We're sitting up there, 255 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: and some of them, half of those guys were you know, 256 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: these thirty year old scouts were getting hired as general 257 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: manager jumps. They weren't any different. They didn't have his experience, no, right, 258 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: all right, They did the same job as he does. 259 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: But you know, so he's you know, he went to 260 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: art and said, hey, can I, you know, change my title? 261 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: Can we change my title? I don't care if we 262 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: change the duties for more money or you know, can 263 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: we into what I call me? Can we just call 264 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: it that so I don't have to sit in the 265 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: stands anymore? Yeah? Right, I mean tenure employee doing what 266 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: he does. Kevin Colbert of the Steelers should not sit 267 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: next to Matt Williamson in his first year with the Browns. 268 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: You know, by no means you know, of course, and 269 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: that makes perfect sense. Um, quick question for you. So 270 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: I think I know the answer. But Kevin is no 271 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: longer involved with day to day operations, right he is. 272 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: At this point, he's gonna he's staying u basically through 273 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: the end of May. He said he would stay on 274 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: and and you know, continue until they find somebody or so. 275 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: I think there's you know, kind of your timetable. Uh. 276 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: It might not happen right away in terms of the 277 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: hiring um, but there's a lot fewer things to do 278 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: right now than there is three weeks ago, right, I 279 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: mean at this point, they're just kind of you know, 280 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: starting plans on um where you know, the scouts are 281 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: gonna go this summer and things of that nature. You 282 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, and you know, final lie, Okay, we 283 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: can now take all these players off of our big 284 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: board because they were they were all either signed or whatever, 285 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: and we got we got update all that. That's that's 286 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: basically what's happening now. So if it came out you 287 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: know tonight the Steelers are bringing back Joe Hayden, Kevin 288 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: would have been involved in that. Yes, yeah, okay, that 289 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: makes sense. Maybe that's what they're doing now. Is this 290 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: whole one our roster? I don't love you know, yeah, 291 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: I mean you're gonna talk about, hey, what did what 292 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: did we get done in the draft, and then you 293 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: you take care of that stuff. But you know. That 294 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: to me is why, um, you know, the way that 295 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: the Steelers do things when people talk about, well, why 296 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: are they keeping kept Kevin Colbert on through the draft 297 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: and they should bring in the new guy? Now, what's 298 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: a Steeler draft? It's not a Kevin Colbert necessarily Kevin 299 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: Colbert draft. Yes, he gathers the information and his his 300 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: staff does that. But it's a Steeler pick, yes, And 301 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: they always say that. I mean, whether it's coach or Kevin, 302 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: or ownership or position coach. Who's ever at the podium 303 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: draft day after the pick. It's always weak. It's always weak. 304 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: It's not like, well I really like this guy, you know, 305 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: it's always wait, you know. Um. The other question I 306 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: had for you is those three names you mentioned to 307 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: start the segment of GM candidates. You don't think it's 308 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: whittled down to those three, do you know? I mean, 309 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: we don't know the final That's where we don't know 310 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: and we don't know. Timing is interesting, though, Yeah, the 311 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: timing is interesting that the three came out within a 312 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: few days of each other, all post draft, all post draft, 313 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: and I knew they were going to start the you 314 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: know this the second round of interviews here. Um, they 315 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: interviewed sixteen guys for that job, yeah, the first time through, 316 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: so I could see pairing that down to five or 317 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: six and going from there. But if you've heard the 318 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: names like Lewis Riddick, I mean we mentioned him because 319 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: that's the name most people would know as opposed to 320 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: the names you mentioned before. That's the one I keep 321 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: getting everyway. So they need they need to hire Lewis Riddick. 322 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: They have to hire Louis Why because you saw him 323 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: on TV. Because you saw him on TV and he 324 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: went to pit so he must be he'd be a 325 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: fine choice. I wouldn't qual I wouldn't frankly, any team 326 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: that hires a GM nine out of ten times, I 327 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: feel very underqualified to talk about, let alone no offense folks, 328 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: But the people that are even less close to the situation, 329 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: it's really hard to tell. It's just like the Colbert thing, 330 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, like they hired Colbert. If the exact same 331 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: Colbert clone got hired tomorrow, I wouldn't have much of 332 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: a comment on him, be like, oh, he comes from 333 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: the Lions, and you know they talk highly of him. 334 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: He's local, dude, great, and we'll see what he does. 335 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: You know, let's see how he handles things starting with 336 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: his opening press conference, you know, go from there. Comment 337 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: on it really is. I mean, you can look at 338 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: what they are, what their teams did in the past. 339 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: But again we don't know what the conversations were in 340 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: those draft rooms right when those teams made you know, 341 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: did the GM make to pick or did was it 342 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: some kind of I'm not involved with the other thirty 343 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: one teams. I just know how the Steelers do things. Yeah, 344 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, Like I'm sitting there thinking, let's say they 345 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: hire and many teams have done this. Houston, for example, 346 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: hire a big dog out of the Patriots organization. Well 347 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: you'd immediately think, well, they're gonna handle things much as 348 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: the way Bill did, you know, and they're gonna have 349 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: smaller draft boards, and they're gonna look for specific things. 350 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: They might value corners more than they do pass rushers. 351 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: But only one guy made a decision in that room, 352 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: and it was Belichick. You know, the new guy might 353 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I learned a lot from Bill, but 354 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: in my new stint, I'm gonna do something totally different 355 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: because my say would have gone would have been we 356 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: would have made a lot of different picks, you know 357 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like just because they came from a 358 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: stable organization, or if someone steals someone from the Steelers, 359 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: you think you have a guideline of how they're going 360 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: to build a team, but you don't know it. I 361 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: did talk to Waley about that a couple of weeks ago, 362 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I asked her, I said, you know, 363 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: did you do a lot of the same stuff that 364 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: that Colbert did? He said, I, you know, I copied 365 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: about of what Kevin did, but the other stuff I 366 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: have my own twist on. That's only natural. That's what 367 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: anybody's gonna do. You know, Yeah, you're gonna do a 368 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that you you you know, he 369 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: worked under Kevin Colber for ten years. Of course you're 370 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: going to pick up a lot of the same traits 371 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: and things. And you work in that organization, you saw 372 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: how successful it could be. I mean, well, you know, 373 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: Wale was there from two thousand, actually started in nine. 374 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: His first year was under Colbert or under Donahoe, but 375 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: then he was there untill twenty in. So you know, 376 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: they had quite a bit of success in that decade. 377 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you copy that? Yeah, and like going back 378 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: to the Patriots. I mean, Matt Patricia and numerous others 379 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: tried to be Bill. Well, that doesn't fly. You know. 380 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: You still you can't do things exactly like he did. 381 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: He can't, all right, you can't be like, boy, what 382 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 1: would Bill do in this decision? Oh, I'm gonna do that. 383 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: You know, that doesn't fly. But I'm sure things that 384 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: you know Doug Whaley was probably referring to were boyd. 385 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: The Steelers have a great scouting system. You know, A 386 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: six oh grade means this, A seven oh grade means this. 387 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,479 Speaker 1: We're gonna have these type of people cross check this player. 388 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: I want the tight end coach to watch the top 389 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: ten tight ends and that area scout and somebody else. 390 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna use the same process because it works really well, 391 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: and somebody built this thing, let's continue using it. I mean, 392 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: that's that's the kind of stuff I think people were 393 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: talking about, not like, boy, would Kevin take this guard? 394 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: Or would do you take this defensive tackle? I bet 395 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: you take the defensive tackle. I should do that. No, 396 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: then you're fail absolutely, But it's all it's all gonna 397 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: be very interesting. Yeah, I will say this, Um, the 398 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: guy who has always held that job. Going again, going 399 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: back to Dick Hayley in the in the seventies, has 400 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: been a Pittsburgh guy. You go from Hailey to Donahoe 401 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: to Colbert. Um. Doubt that's a coincidence. I doubt that 402 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: is a coincidence. And I do know that of the 403 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: of the three finalists current finalists, the three guys they're 404 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: bringing back for second interviews, will he is the only 405 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: one that has that. Okay, I'm per saying, Claire guy. Yeah, yeah, 406 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: actually are older than me from St. Clair where I 407 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: live now. Yeah, So you know, whether that's a determining 408 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: factor or not, I don't know, right, m'm I mean, 409 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: I think I think it gets considered. I don't think 410 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: they would take a lesser candidate just because he's breaks. 411 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: It could be, right, Yeah, yeah, it could be a tiebreaker, 412 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: and it's not just because I think there's value and 413 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: understanding what the Steelers mean to this community and that's 414 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: a part of it. And that's something that Coward told me, 415 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: and like, look, we you know, Kevin and I both 416 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: were you know, they were they were of a similar age. 417 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,719 Speaker 1: They both were in Pittsburgh in the seventies growing up 418 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: going to high school in this in this Pittsburgh in 419 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: the seventies, you know exactly exactly what the Steelers meant 420 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: to the community. Sure, you don't have the guess Like 421 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: I mean, there may be some candidate from Tucson that's tremendous, 422 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: that is better than everybody else. But he may come 423 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: here and be like, whoa, this is different than what 424 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm used to right, Yeah, you know what I mean. Interesting, 425 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: But it'll all play out and we'll see how it 426 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: works out. Um. Interesting, We'll we'll keep you updated on that. 427 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 1: There's no timetable on the news or there certainly there 428 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: really is. And I mean I think I think you'd 429 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: like to have it done with, you know, maybe by 430 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: the end of May, early June, sometime in that range. Um. 431 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: You know, if you get that done around mini camp time, great. Um. 432 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: I think you want to have him in place before 433 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: you go to training camp because then, you, guys, then 434 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: you're gotta start making decisions on and even if Kevin 435 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: is done and isn't there day to day and there 436 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: isn't a new guy in plays, there's plenty of people 437 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: can make the decisions. We bring back Joe Hayden or not, 438 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: right and he's still gonna be He's still gonna be 439 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: part of this. I mean that's the ya ye, that's 440 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: the beauty of it. I mean, why wouldn't you have 441 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: them be part of it? Absolutely right? You know again, 442 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: that's the whole, the whole reason why you don't need 443 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: They didn't need to bring somebody in before the draft. 444 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: Colport's not going anywhere, folks, Like you brought somebody in 445 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: before the draft. He probably would have set in the 446 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: corner of the room and listen, listen. Yeah, yeah, And 447 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,239 Speaker 1: what you know in this case, you know this is 448 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: this was so different because usually the GM had gotten fired, 449 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: so yeah, there's a hole there, you you know, so 450 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: the new guys coming in, and you know, Wale told 451 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: like when I talked to Wale about it, Corporate actually 452 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: said the same thing, like when he got hired his 453 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: first year was Donahoe got fired after there was a 454 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: hole there. Most of the hay is already in the barn. 455 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: In terms of the draft, Oh yeah, especially if you're 456 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: not making wholesale changes like the one I was involved, 457 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: especially back then because the draft was was earlier back 458 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: then too. Yeah, that's a good point. So you know, 459 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: they had the scouts had already done all of their 460 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: draft prep. It was they're not gonna go watch the 461 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: LSU game again, Yeah and change change their pace in 462 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: the barn. Yeah, that's just the way the scheme. The 463 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: scheme is not different. The coach is gonna be the same. 464 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: You know, I went from a four or three to 465 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: three four back when that used to really mean something. Well, 466 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: then you had to reevaluate guys. But they wouldn't have 467 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: to it that suchuation. They didn't have to do that. 468 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, Colbord will still be around. He could you know, 469 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: if the new g M, whoever it may be, has 470 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: a question about something or how they do something or 471 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: how they've done something. He hanging up the phone. Yeah, 472 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: there's a better, better CONCERTI than my father. Yeah. Anyways, 473 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for today's show. We'll keep you 474 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: updated on all that stuff. We appreciate you listening. He 475 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lally, and we thank 476 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: you for listening to this edition of the Drive on 477 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio.