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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name

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Speaker 1: is no. They call me Ben. You are you? And

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Speaker 1: that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: As always, we are joined by our super producer Tristan McNeil. Tristan,

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Speaker 1: do you want to wave to us? Okay, well, everybody

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Speaker 1: will just have to believe us when we say that

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Speaker 1: Tristan was indeed waving. Tristan just communicates in emoji's We

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Speaker 1: found out it's it's pretty intense. Like there's three that

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Speaker 1: between those three emojis. You know, I kind of like

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Speaker 1: it when it's like when they see if you go

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Speaker 1: into a really great restaurant, you know it's great because

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Speaker 1: they may only have six things on the menu, but

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Speaker 1: you ever been on a cruise. I have no, really,

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Speaker 1: it's not It's not for me. I didn't really think

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Speaker 1: interesting experience to be out in the ocean with several

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Speaker 1: Now was it was it a was it like a

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Speaker 1: know those things occur. I couldn't. I don't know exactly

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Speaker 1: good thing for some reason, and they don't hang out

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Speaker 1: in the Caribbean. That's Norwegian. That's what I thought too,

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Speaker 1: there's a Caribbean cruise. It was, And I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: I found out about a conspiracy themed cruise, Conspira s

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Speaker 1: e a conspiracy cruise, and uh, we were briefly were

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Speaker 1: a family friendly way to say, Yeah, that's it's gonna

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Speaker 1: go with first. Actually, uh, they played the song of choice.

426
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Speaker 1: They played if this is ever in a very bizarre

427
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: maccabre trivia game for you. The song of choice was

428
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Speaker 1: Nearer My God to the which is a old hymn.

429
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Speaker 1: When a ship called the Carpathia arrived to rescue survivors,

430
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: they found a floating disaster. You know, lifeboats are adrift,

431
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: passengers are shivering to death, surely deeply traumatized. The ship

432
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: got fourteen boats and seven survivors, which means more than

433
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Speaker 1: passengers and crew were dead. And I'm sure maybe not

434
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: this specifically, but you know regulations now would require you

435
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: not to book more people than you have safety equipment

436
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: for right, I mean that's that pretty big oversight. You know,

437
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: people buy tickets with that you know, six dollar inflated

438
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: ticket value price for that low level. Also, that's where

439
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: the flooding happened too, was down in steer age, and

440
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: they were you know, having to deal with that, and

441
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: then they get up top escape only to realize that

442
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: they are doomed. Yeah. Apparently the third class passengers were

443
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: not allowed up until the first and class at first

444
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Speaker 1: and second class passengers have been accounted for, which is

445
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: just disgusting. Every time, every time I think I've got

446
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: a handle on humanity's dark potential, man, something like this happens.

447
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: This show is changing me. Yeah. Well, there's something to

448
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: be said about cruising in a place where if you

449
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: do fall into the water, it's over pretty quickly like that.

450
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Yeah, it just seems like a

451
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: really bad idea unless you've got like contingency upon contingency,

452
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: you know. But then also, you know, this is the

453
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: top of the line. It's best in class ship right

454
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: right right, but apparently not unbreakable or unable. Uh so

455
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: that's the official story. Uh, it's a tremendous loss of life,

456
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: financial catastrophe, a cultural catastrophe. The Titanic will spend almost

457
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Speaker 1: a century rotting at the bottom of the ocean, creating,

458
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Speaker 1: you know, a new shipwreck ecosystem. Right, and that is

459
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: the official story. But what if there were something more

460
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Speaker 1: to this story? Here's where it gets crazy. So, as

461
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: with any large scale disaster in the modern age, we

462
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: all know this, alternative theories about the Titanic begin to

463
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: circulate in the years following the events. So we got

464
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Speaker 1: together and looked at some of the most prevalent, uh,

465
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Speaker 1: some of the most plausible, which there are a few

466
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Speaker 1: that might surprise you, and of course the strangest. So

467
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: what do we have? Not so fast, you guys. First

468
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: we have to hear a word from our sponsor. You rogue.

469
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Speaker 1: The first theory surrounding the sinking of the Titanic is

470
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Speaker 1: when you may have heard, and it has to do

471
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Speaker 1: with the global banking elites that sank their ship to

472
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: kill off their opponents. And people who think that this

473
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Speaker 1: is true believe that this was essentially um an assassination

474
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Speaker 1: of sorts a U scatter shot, a wide shot assassination

475
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Speaker 1: attempt on several highly important people in the banking world.

476
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Speaker 1: I feel like there was a like a British crime

477
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: show I saw where there was a storyline involving a

478
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: mass murder that was actually trying to assassinate a very

479
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: specific group of people, but just killed a bunch of

480
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Speaker 1: people to cover the tracks of the motive. This is

481
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: kind of like that make it look like an accident. Well,

482
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: we know that people have bizarre plane crashes often. Um,

483
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: so this, this then would be an act of terrorism.

484
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: Who were they actually after? You know what? They weren't

485
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: killing the purposely killing the entire boat. They wanted a

486
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: few people, right, like like Nolan is mentioning, well, well

487
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 1: you got the aster, whether the gentleman aster, John Jacob

488
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Speaker 1: Isidor Strauss and Benjamin Googgenheim another familiar name you know,

489
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: rings a little something there of the Guggenheim like museum

490
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: and all that. Yes, all were millionaires, and they were

491
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: all opposed to this idea of creating a central bank,

492
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Speaker 1: a private central bank, within the United States because it's

493
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Speaker 1: going to negatively affect their personal fortunes. And you know,

494
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: the fingers that they've got in the pies of the

495
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: banking world inside the US. They hate that analogy. I know,

496
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: it's like have you ever seen somebody actually have their

497
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: finger in a pie saw a movie back in the

498
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: early two thousand. That's American pine. It wasn't a finger, right, Yes,

499
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: you're right, okay, pictures the humanity and the pie. But

500
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, I see, I see what you're saying. So

501
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: these three men, in particular, according to this theory, were

502
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Speaker 1: against the formation of the Federal Reserve. Oh yes, the

503
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: creature from jek'l Island. Yes, so named because the plans

504
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: for the Federal Reserve were controversially created in a fancy

505
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: pants island off the coast of Georgia, the state, not

506
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: the country, uh, in nineteen thirteen. So it is a

507
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: controversial thing, privatizing, you know, the central bank for an

508
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Speaker 1: entire country. Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. The word we use

509
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: now is quasi government, quasi government. And okay, So according

510
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: to this uh, JP Morgan and Rocke Rockefeller in the

511
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Speaker 1: various franchises. Excuse me, families of the Rothchild thing. We're

512
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: conspiring to remove what could be uh substantive opposition. Here's

513
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: the thing. It's true that JP Morgan had a personal

514
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Speaker 1: suite aboard the ship with his own private deck. If

515
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Speaker 1: he could believe that and uh he had a customized

516
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, living area in there. Uh. He was booked

517
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Speaker 1: on the ship's maiden voyage, but instead he canceled the trip.

518
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Speaker 1: And you you may you heard us earlier allude to

519
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: what the various reasons why what did what did you

520
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: guys hear? Oh man, I heard all kinds of stuff.

521
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: I heard he said he wasn't feeling so well, so

522
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: he was gonna stay home and and combat s. But

523
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: he may have just stayed in France. Remember how we

524
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: were saying how the Titanic left went over to France

525
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: and then went to Ireland. Well, it seems that he

526
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: he stayed in the French resort to enjoy, you know,

527
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: some morning massages, some sulfur baths. That the kind of

528
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: things you do when you're a Morgan. Sulfur bath. Sulfur bath.

529
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Speaker 1: It's like a bathroom with sulfur instead of water. Yeah, No,

530
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Speaker 1: I am, so, I am lying. I am I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Are you lying because you don't know? No, I I

532
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: imagine I don't know for sure, but I imagine for

533
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: exfoliation or something. Heel like, if it's supposed to be restorative.

534
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a time when people really believed

535
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Speaker 1: in curative springs, so it was probably a natural, naturally

536
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: occurring uh water source that had sulfurous content in the water.

537
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: Smells how the animals going on around this? Yeah, yeah,

538
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: John Harvey Kellogg and it smells great in a sulfur

539
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: bathroom and yogurt all over your parts. Not to mention

540
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: the guy who in Graham Crackers, that's a whole another,

541
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: that's a whole another his story, and we'll leave that

542
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: for another day ziplock full of gummy bears. The whole

543
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: point is that Morgan's abrupt cancelation, the decision to not

544
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: be on the ship, seems suspicious at all, and we

545
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: will also just as side note, this is so interesting,

546
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Speaker 1: we will also do another episode in the future if

547
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: you would like, on the bizarre, strange origins of commonplace

548
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: snacks and silverware another seemingly innocuous products. You were absolutely right, Matt,

549
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: this last minute cancelation, whatever reason he did, apparently the

550
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: story is and there was last minute, if fueled speculation

551
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: that he had advanced knowledge of the fate of the Titanic,

552
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: and there are there are a few variations in this

553
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: theory and in some versions um the three men on

554
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: the boat were opposed to income tax legislation. Chronologically, that

555
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: one doesn't really work out, UM, according to other people,

556
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: the Jesuits for some reason, Lord these men on their ship. Uh.

557
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: We we should point out that there is also not UM.

558
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of hard evidence on on this

559
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: fill in particular. And while we do know that maybe

560
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: UM plane crashes can occur, we know that there have

561
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: been questionable deaths or air quote accidents before UM. This

562
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: seems like it's asking a lot like who would who

563
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: would bring down UM a ship that's worth a hundred

564
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: and ninety million dollars to kill three people. That's exactly

565
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: my thought of spending that much money to make the

566
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: ship and only to have it, you know, destroyed, unless

567
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: you're getting insurance. There's also like there's better ways to

568
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: assassinate people easier, not that they don't rely on hitting

569
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Speaker 1: an ice, right. Yeah, it seems like a lot of

570
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: happenstance going on here. It's like a Rube Goldberg, really

571
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: is I mean, it would be brilliant, It would be brilliant,

572
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: but I fear this is a stretch. Some of the

573
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: other ones, though, are a little less stretchy. Well, here's

574
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: here's the other thing, like, did what if the Titanic

575
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: never sank at all? That's a real one that I well,

576
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: it's a real one. It's on here outline with which

577
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: I was not familiar. So we said earlier that there

578
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: were three boats in this giant class, right, Uh, the Gigantica,

579
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Speaker 1: the Massifania, the Big Boy Big Boy, and uh huh

580
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: and little Nuggets whatever their names are. Their official names

581
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Speaker 1: when they launched were the Olympic, the Britannic, and the Titanic. Uh.

582
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Speaker 1: What if Some people argue the Titanic, rather than sinking,

583
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: was the victim or beneficiary of identity theft? What if

584
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: it was switched at the last minute for its sister ship,

585
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: the Olympia. I just don't understand why you would do that.

586
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: The Titanic is the big reason, Like this is the

587
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: thing you're showing off. According to the most famous proponent

588
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: of this theory, writer named Robin Gardiner, there's much more

589
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: to the story. H Gardner wrote a book called Titanic,

590
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: The Ship that Never Sank? Can you hear the question

591
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: mark we put in there? There we go perfect? So

592
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: this author looks at several other events and coincidences that

593
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: occurred in the months, days hours leading up to the disaster,

594
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Speaker 1: and concludes the ship that sank was actually the Olympic

595
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: disguised as the Titanic, and it was an insurance scam

596
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: by the owners of the owners of the concern, which

597
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: was the International Mercantile Marine Group who bought White Star

598
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: Line in nineteen o two, and the controller of the

599
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: Marine Group was JP Morgan, J p oh, JP heavy

600
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: J himself. Okay, alright, alright, So the Olympic, check this out,

601
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: was the slightly older sister of the Titanic and was

602
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: launched in October of nineteen ten, so a couple of

603
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: years earlier. The exterior profile was nearly identical to the Titanic,

604
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: save for a few minor details when we're talking about

605
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: stuff like the number of portholes on one area of

606
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: the ship. So here's one example of Gardner's argument. Uh

607
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: Gardner says the bullships were built with linoleum floors, but

608
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: shortly before she was due to set sail. J. Bruce

609
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: is May, the director of White Star Line, inexplicably ordered

610
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: the floors aboard Titanic be carpeted over. There's something else

611
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: the motivation in this theory is that the Olympic had

612
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: already been involved in a couple of accidents, and that

613
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: this would essentially be an insurance scam. So you'd collect

614
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: the insured us of the Titanic for sinking the Olympic, Right,

615
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: but you would still be, you know, killing hundreds of people. Yeah,

616
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: you would essentially be killing hundreds of people for a

617
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: little less than our day, our modern equivalent of two

618
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. Sure, I mean, what do you think

619
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: the uh the value of a human life was in

620
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: in in ninete just thinking the same thing. We should

621
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: calculate that and bring it back in another episode. What

622
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: is our value? Ye oh boy, that's a good one.

623
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Speaker 1: They like that as a title. Yeah, what is the

624
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: value of human life? But now, I mean, I don't

625
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: know that. I said things were getting a little less

626
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: stretchy because I don't know captains of industry or monsters

627
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the time. And uh, I don't think

628
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: I would put it past a JP Morgan type too,

629
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: value and investment over the lives of hundreds of people. Actually, yeah,

630
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Speaker 1: I can. I mean, in principle I can absolutely agree,

631
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: because I mean, yeah, it would be harder to do

632
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: if it wasn't like actually an active event when it

633
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: took I'm saying, like, you can't just blow up the

634
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Speaker 1: ship at dry dock. People ask questions about that, but like,

635
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, but then again, how do you force it

636
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: to hit an iceberg? Like did they mess with the route?

637
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: Like what how would you accomplish this? Right? I think

638
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: that's a perfect setup, nol, because we're going to go

639
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: into theories about accidental occurrences, but I think within those

640
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: we're also going to find something that could lend a

641
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: little credence to or answer perhaps the question of how

642
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: someone would intentionally do this. And just to jump in

643
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: here talking about insurance, for you know, we're discussing how

644
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: people are definitely gonna collect insurance on this. This was

645
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: a huge investment, right, No matter what happens to the Titanic,

646
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: if something bad happens, the people that own it are

647
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: for sure going to try and collect as much as

648
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: they possibly can on it, right, even like it doesn't

649
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: matter they in their mind. I can't say what they're thinking,

650
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter how many people got hurt or

651
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: died for the collecting of their insurance. Right, I see

652
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: what you're saying yeah, and it is tough to ascribe

653
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: motive without you know, hard documentation. Well, let's go into

654
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: even less stretchy I like that turn less stretchy theories. Uh,

655
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: the idea of possible accidental occurrences one and this is

656
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: so terrible possible wrong turn. Louise Patton, who's the granddaughter

657
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: of the ship's most senior surviving officer, the man we mentioned,

658
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: Charles Lighthowlder, claims that he told his wife a crew

659
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: member turned the ship quote the wrong way and into

660
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: the course of the iceberg after officer William Murdoch first

661
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: spotted it and gave a hard starboard order. The cruise

662
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: Liner was operating under two communication systems that were in

663
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: direct conflict with one another, and in two thousand ten,

664
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: Louise Patton told The Guardian UK paper that a command

665
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: to turn hard to starboard mint turn the wheel right

666
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: under one system and left under the other. Because I

667
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: would imagine they would have maps of known iceberg areas

668
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: right or like, you know, if there was a cluster,

669
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: they probably would have been charted. I would think it

670
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: would be a little difficult because they could be mobile.

671
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: That's true, but so but but so the communication systems

672
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: we're talking about here, there are largely visual and verbal. Well,

673
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: yeah they were on These were on the ship too,

674
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: But we have to keep in mind they got numerous warnings.

675
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: There were at least four different warnings throughout the day

676
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: leading up to the accident after midnight. So interesting, Yeah,

677
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: so they kept on. Maybe the captain was a bit

678
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: arrogant speaking. I just said, it's tough to ascribe motive,

679
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: and I like, listen to this guy. Well, there are

680
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: other things to write. There were questions about whether or

681
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: not the actual materials that were used to build the

682
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: ship were possibly not up to snuff, or even a

683
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: shortage of viewing binoculars u a shortage of an ability

684
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: to view icebergs that had the potential to be a problem,

685
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: which is tough, you know when you think about it.

686
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: If if that is true, if there were weak ship

687
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: building materials, if there was a shortage of binoculars and

688
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: a shortage of lifeboats, this is starting to sound more

689
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: and more like some corners were being cut outside of

690
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: the public eye. Here is the most plausible, and this

691
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: might answer that earlier question about how someone could purposely

692
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: plan to pull an insurance scam if that's what if

693
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: that actually happened, is the most plausible or less at

694
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: least the least implausible that a coal fire either significantly

695
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: contributed to or is directly responsible for the disaster. There's

696
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: this urnalists named sent On Maloney. I'm going to call

697
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: you Mr Maloney because I'm not sure if I'm pronounce

698
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: your name correctly. Uh. Maloney is a documentary called Titanic

699
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: The New Evidence, and in it he argues that a

700
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: fire ha been smoldering and Bunker number six, one of

701
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: the ship's coal bunker boiler rooms of the Titanic since

702
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: the ship left Belfast, so was burning the whole time.

703
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: And um, it sounds crazy, but it's true that coal

704
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: coal has the ability to combust like this. Uh. Near

705
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: that bunker is where the iceberg tore the biggest hole

706
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: in the ship on its maiden voyage. According to The Independent,

707
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: Maloney claims photos of the Titanic show dark marks on

708
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: the side of the ship not facing the dock, hinting

709
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: at existing fire and that should never been put to sea.

710
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: And we have a quote from Maloney for you. The

711
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: official Titanic Inquiry branded the sinking as an act of God.

712
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: This isn't a simple story of colliding with an iceberg

713
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: and sinking. It's a perfect storm of extraordinary factors coming together, fire, ice,

714
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: and criminal negligence. It was very Game of Thrones that

715
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: really stoked to watch the finale tonight. So yeah, I

716
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: wasn't even expecting the fire and ice bit. He goes on.

717
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: I don't know why he talks like this, but he

718
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: just he does. I guess um. We have experts telling

719
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: us that when you get that level of temperature against steel,

720
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: it makes it brittle and reduces its strength by up

721
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: to The fire was known about and briefly addressed at

722
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: the inquiry, but it was played down. It is absolutely

723
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: true that there was a fire on the ship. What

724
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: what we count is the newer revelatory or theoretical part

725
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: of this is blaming the fire for the sinking of

726
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 1: the ship once it hit the iceberg. Did the fire

727
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: create weakness in the in the metal, in the material,

728
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: According to an engineer for the Geological Society of America

729
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: and Ohio State University fellow named Robert Eisenhei, attempts to

730
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: control the coal fire and the bunker could have been

731
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: the reason the Titanic sailed so quickly through an area

732
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: littered with icebergs, So that would you know in the

733
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: film they're trying to set a speed record, right, and

734
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: like some kind of oceanic icarus, they go too far,

735
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: too high. My analogy is not working. So the the

736
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: reasoning here would be that they're going that quickly because

737
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: they're having an emergency. Essentially, there's a huge issue with

738
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: this fire. We have to get to a dock somewhere

739
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: and take care of this white possibly and to connect

740
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: the dots. Maybe JP Morgan one could argue knew about

741
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: the fire and didn't go and to connect the dots. Further,

742
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: if we're playing a little bit of bread crumb rabbit

743
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: hole game, maybe the fire is intentional. To be fair,

744
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: there is absolutely no hard proof of this at all.

745
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: This is this is speculative the at least the JP

746
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: Morgan's reaction to the fire. Right. There are a lot

747
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: of myths about this sort of stuff that are becoming folklore.

748
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: At this point. However, we do know that there really

749
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: was a fire, and we know that this is not

750
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: the end of the alternative theories because now we are

751
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: wading into the very very strange stuff with even allegations

752
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: of the paranormal. Yeah, did some man tell the future

753
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: or somehow prescribe the events that would occur to the

754
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: Titanic In a novel written in eighteen known as Futility

755
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: or Wreck of the titan It was a guy named

756
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: Morgan Robertson, and fourteen years before the Titanic menis Demise,

757
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: he wrote a no that had a lot of similarities

758
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: to what happened to the Titanic, and it had to

759
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: do with insurance fraud. Mm hmmm hm hm m m mmmm.

760
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: And they they think that this guy predicted It was

761
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: revised by the author in nineteen twelve after the Titanic sank,

762
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: to make the ship a little bigger, a little difference, Yeah,

763
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: just like make it a little more similar to the

764
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: events of the Titanic, probably to sell copies. And so

765
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: still there are multiple purported similarities between the events depicked

766
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: in the story and the true story of Titanic, which,

767
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: of course, for some of us will call to mind. Uh.

768
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: The famous narrative of Arthur Gordon Pim of Nantucket, written

769
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: by Edgar Allan Poe, a bizarre coincidence in a very

770
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: dark one where Poe writes a story about people lost

771
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: at sea and survival cannibalism, and then later something very

772
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: much like that happens. And don't you spoil that post

773
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: story for me. I think Poo did a good job

774
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: of spoiling it himself. What are you saying. I mean,

775
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: it's just not my favorite of his story. He's falling

776
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: him a hack. No, no, Just so you know, in

777
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: Robertson's tale Futility, one of the main characters or one

778
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: of the characters gets off onto the iceberg with I

779
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: believe a child and then is forced to do some

780
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: battle with a polar bear that is also making residents

781
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 1: on the iceberg. That's that's kind of fun and terrifying. Yeah,

782
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: but you know, it's a story that I would want

783
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: to read if I was in the eighteen hundreds. Speaking

784
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: of Game of Thrones, polar bears, zombie polar bears. It's

785
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: gonna leave that right there. I have no idea what

786
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Not really a spoiler, just zombie polar bears. Okay,

787
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: I've just I've been pretending to know a Game of

788
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: Thrones is for the past several years. So Matt, please

789
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,479
Speaker 1: don't give me your disappointed dad's I for one field

790
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: betrayed Matt. Matt's the kind of guy who would not

791
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: be mad at you, but just disappointed, which is somehow

792
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: so much worse right, uh well, speaking in fantastic segues,

793
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: there there are a couple others that are they're pretty strange.

794
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: This isn't so much a conspiracy theory as a paranormal stuff.

795
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: There was another writer in eight six, a British writer

796
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: named William T. Stead who had a short story called

797
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: How the Atlantic Mail Steamer Went Down. A mail steamer

798
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: in the Atlantic collides with another vessel, shortage of lifeboats

799
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: on board caused an enormous uh loss of life. More

800
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: than a decade later, Stead was a passenger on the

801
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: Titanic and he was one of the fifth around fift

802
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: hundred who did not make it. Whoa and then the

803
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: very last one which we saved. Because it's just so,

804
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: it's so strange and it feels more like creepy pasta

805
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: or a campfire story. One of the mystical versions of

806
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: the crash is associated with the legendary folklore Curse of

807
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: the Pharaohs, and no fated ship was carrying the mummy

808
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: of an ancient Egyptian priestess that belonged to Lord Centerville,

809
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: shipping it to New York via the Titanic, remember the

810
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: whole shipping days of these boats still happening. To avoid

811
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: the damage of the box with the exhibit was placed

812
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: on the captain's bridge, allegedly allegedly allegedly the case and

813
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: at the head of the mommy there was a statue

814
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: of Osiris, according to the story. Osiris, of course, as

815
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: we remembers, the Egyptian god of death. The words inscribed

816
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: on this were allegedly allegedly allegedly rise from the ashes

817
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: and let your eyes strike those who stand in your way.

818
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: So is it talking about the iceberg or the boat? Well,

819
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: you know, we could do an entire episode. I would

820
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: be surprised of our friends at stuff you missed in

821
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: history classes, stuff you should know. Haven't already done an

822
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: episode on the alleged curse of the Pharaohs. We've done one,

823
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: haven't we. I know, we did a video. We did

824
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: a video, but we haven't done write it down. Guys,

825
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: here we go, do do do? Do? Yeah? So we

826
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: have some great ideas for upcoming stuff. There we have.

827
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: We have the bizarre origins of otherwise innocuous things Kello Cereal,

828
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: Graham Crackers, shout out to our friends at food Stuff

829
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: who delve into some excellent history and culture of food

830
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: and if you want to check that out. And then

831
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: we also have the the Pharaoh's curse, So we hope

832
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: that you have um, we hope that you have enjoyed

833
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: exploring these alternative theories. At this point, most people are

834
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: the vast majority of humanity believe the official narrative, with

835
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: the strongest other contender being the idea that there was

836
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: a fire contributing to the to the disaster. The other

837
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: stuff is interesting and it leads us to a bunch

838
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: of different possible threads. Right, but in the end, wait,

839
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: what do you what do you guys think? For me,

840
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: it remains a tragedy that happened because of a lot

841
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: of a domino effect of things that were occurring. Um.

842
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 1: And maybe it's just I'm too deep in the official story,

843
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: but I still see it as that way. Nothing has

844
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: convinced me thus far about this stuff, although the fire

845
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: thing that's the closest I would say, Well, the official

846
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Speaker 1: story also has corroborating firsthand witnesses in terms of survivors,

847
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Speaker 1: people who were actually there I think it would be

848
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: amazing if somebody could replace an entire ship and disguise it.

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Speaker 1: But it's so amazing and astonishing because it it borders

850
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Speaker 1: on insanity in terms of planning, and it seems very difficult.

851
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Speaker 1: What do you think? No, I think it was those

852
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: fat cats standards of industry, just like wanting to kill

853
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: everybody for insurance money, and they knew they were going

854
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: to get a life both. You know, they just colluded

855
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Speaker 1: to I don't know, man, it's I guess it just

856
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: depends on who who holds the policy, like who specifically

857
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: holds the policy to benefit from thinking. But still, even

858
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: at that level, it feels you guys, remember that board

859
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Speaker 1: game mouse Trap that barely ever worked. It feels like

860
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Speaker 1: a level of unnecessary complexity comparable to mouse Trap. Even

861
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Speaker 1: in those days, I mean you had some semblance of like,

862
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Speaker 1: you know, sniper kind of equivalent to it, or pois

863
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: inning or closing someone get someone with a terminal disease

864
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Speaker 1: to perform a hit so that their family can benefit.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, that wouldn't get you the insurance money.

866
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Speaker 1: But what you know, what was the problem, what was

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Speaker 1: the issue? What you know? It seems like an awful

868
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: you could get if you wanted to make a quick

869
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: buck on an insurance scam. You think you do it

870
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Speaker 1: with like life insurance for a human or like you know,

871
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: like like building a gazillion dollar luxury liner and then

872
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: arranging it to sink with people on it so to

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Speaker 1: collect the insurance money. It just doesn't seem to add

874
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Speaker 1: up to Maybe they just got into deep. They build

875
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: three of them, right, and that is that is true,

876
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Speaker 1: and that would be an equivalent of just under six

877
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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. But still, oh yes, that's our other episode.

878
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Speaker 1: We're going to find out how much each of us

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Speaker 1: is worth justin I think justin raw materials. It is

880
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: probably the best way, you know, like people every gonna

881
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: boil is down for the copper we did the illegal

882
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: organ trading stuff, maybe we could, uh we could figure

883
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: out like what would each of our organs be worth

884
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: on the black market, and then what would be the

885
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 1: lifetime value of us, like in like you know, slave labor.

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00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a great

887
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: episode to do. Check out the Red Market if you

888
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Speaker 1: have not if you haven't listened to it yet, but

889
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: do make sure you're not listening to it while you're

890
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Speaker 1: eating it is there is some very disturbing content in there.

891
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: And most importantly, we would like to know what you

892
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: think about these stories. One of the more interesting things

893
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Speaker 1: to us, I believe in these sorts of situations is

894
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: that so much time has passed, you know that there's

895
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: pretty um clearly cemented concept or narrative that every upon

896
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Speaker 1: which everybody agrees. But as we know, those sorts of

897
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: things can and be overturned often throughout human civilization, and

898
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: it's it's terrifying how often that can happen. We have

899
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: to remember, this is a species that totally thought Troy

900
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: was a made up city for centuries and then some

901
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: guy found it and it's real. So we'd like to

902
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: hear your take, not just on this, what on other

903
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: maritime disasters of human history, or in your opinion on cruises.

904
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905
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Facebook where we are conspiracy stuff. And

906
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