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Speaker 1: Welcome to Why Not Me? Embracing Autism and Mental Health Worldwide?

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Speaker 1: Hosted by Tony Mantor, broadcasting from the heart of Music City, USA, Nashville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Join us as our guests share their raw, powerful stories.

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Speaker 1: Some will spark laughter, others will move you to tears.

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Speaker 1: These real life journeys inspire, connect and remind you that

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Speaker 1: you're never alone. We're igniting a global movement to empower

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Speaker 1: everyone to make a lasting difference by fostering deep awareness

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Speaker 1: on wavering acceptance, and profound understanding of autism and mental health.

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Speaker 1: Tune in, be inspired, and join us in transforming the world,

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Speaker 1: one story at a time. Hi, I'm Tony Mantor. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Why Not Me? Embracing Autism and Mental Health Worldwide.

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Speaker 1: Before we jump in, if you haven't already, I invite

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Speaker 1: seconds and it helps this show reach more families who

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Speaker 1: need to hear these conversations. Thanks for being here today.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking with writer and journalist Megladuk, someone who doesn't

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Speaker 1: just talk about mental illness. She's lived it, questioned it,

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Speaker 1: and found a way to put language to experiences that

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Speaker 1: are often hard to explain. What makes this conversation different

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Speaker 1: is that it's not about diagnosis or definitions. It's about

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Speaker 1: what it actually feels like to be inside your own

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Speaker 1: mind when things don't quite make sense. The core of

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Speaker 1: her work is simple but powerful ideas that our stories,

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Speaker 1: even the ones shaped my pain, are not just something

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Speaker 1: to survive, but something to understand, to give language to,

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Speaker 1: and ultimately to share. Thanks for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm very excited about this.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm looking forward to this as well. If you

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Speaker 1: would give our listeners a little background on what it

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Speaker 1: is that you do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a freelance journalist based in Detroit. I've been

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Speaker 2: doing creative writing for really about twenty two years now.

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Speaker 2: Ever since undergrad and over the years, I've got a

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Speaker 2: number of pieces of both journalism and creative writing published,

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Speaker 2: and right now I'm working on a memoir.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think that's great. Now we're going to be

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Speaker 1: talking about serious mental illness today. Can you give our

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Speaker 1: listeners a little background on your knowledge as the subject.

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Speaker 2: Well, my knowledge all comes from lived experience, though I've

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Speaker 2: done a number of journalism articles surrounding mental health and

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Speaker 2: disability over the years. Right now I'm contributing to a

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Speaker 2: Michigan newspaper chain for Issue Media Group for its Michigan

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Speaker 2: Mental Health series. Well, for that, I'm doing stuff like

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Speaker 2: research on cmh's community mental health organizations. You're in Michigan,

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Speaker 2: But my primary knowledge comes from lived experience, and just

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Speaker 2: over the years, I've gained a lot of insight I

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Speaker 2: think into living with a serious mental illness.

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Speaker 1: Now, your lived experiences are your own life's journey. Is

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Speaker 1: that correct?

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Speaker 2: Correct? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I think this is an interesting topic because when most

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Speaker 1: people think about serious mental illness, they tend to picture

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Speaker 1: young men, maybe late teens into the twenties. They don't

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Speaker 2: Well, I think people definitely associate with psychosis with men,

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Speaker 2: and there stereotype is men who become psychotic are violent,

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Speaker 2: even though so many people with schizophrenia are victimized rather

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Speaker 1: In the early stages, as we all know, when people

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Speaker 1: start learning that they have some issues going on, it

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Speaker 1: can be a very scary journey. It's the unknown. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what did it actually feel like to be inside your

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Speaker 2: It was a really terrifying process. And I remember telling

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Speaker 2: there's a hole in my chest and the whole hurts.

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Speaker 2: That's how intense the depression was. And it started out

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Speaker 1: There's always that timeframe when you're going from something's not right,

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Speaker 2: It's made it more complicated because my diagnosis has changed

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Speaker 2: and I think psychiatrists really do diagnose the symptoms that

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Speaker 2: the time. As I've gone from being a really out

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Speaker 1: What's been harder for you trying to control what you

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Speaker 2: I say, definitely accepting it. I have a tremendous strive.

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Speaker 2: I've always been that way, and in many ways it's

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Speaker 2: Since then, I've gone back to volunteered to teach creative

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people walk this line where

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of layers to making this all

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Speaker 2: Let me think about that. That's a good question. I

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Speaker 2: think over the years, it's been so hard to come

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Speaker 2: you smile even when you're saying something sad. I was

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Speaker 2: I've grown older, I've stopped doing that with key people

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Speaker 2: I definitely don't do that with my husband. I no

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Speaker 2: there was a point where I was even lying to

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Speaker 2: good when it wasn't. But I've discovered how vital it

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Speaker 1: Relationships add another layer to all of this. When you're

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Speaker 2: Definitely, though my husband was so wonderful, Maybe about six

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Speaker 2: to ask questions about how he could better support me.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly when in the relationship that was,

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Speaker 2: but it was actually early, so he was very much

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Speaker 2: it was our third date before I told him about

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Speaker 2: that diagnosis, And there were other things that I was

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Speaker 2: At one point, my parents had guardianship. I just fell

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Speaker 2: tell Tim about the guardianship. But eventually when it was terminated,

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Speaker 1: In any relationship, there's always that learning curve. You're getting

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Speaker 1: How did that play out for you in your relationships?

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Speaker 1: How did you find a sense of inner peace within

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Speaker 1: that where someone could see your struggles, your imperfections and

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Speaker 2: I do want to emphasize it's a relationship of equals. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I do get very tired because of my medication regimen,

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Speaker 2: so I'd say Tim does more around the house, but

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Speaker 2: on the other hand, I handle all the cooking, which

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Speaker 2: I really love. I really love to cook. And I'm

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Speaker 2: as much there for him as he is for me,

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Speaker 2: like asking him about his stay, making sure things are

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Speaker 2: going well for him, just a number of different things

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Speaker 2: that were a partnership. And he's never condescended to me

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Speaker 2: about my mind or the trustworthiness of my mind. He

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Speaker 1: Yeah, was there a moment, big or small where things

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Speaker 1: seemed to shift a little bit, Not where everything felt fixed,

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Speaker 1: but where something inside you seemed to change and because

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Speaker 1: of that you saw everything moving in a positive direction.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I had a tremendous moment like that. It came

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Speaker 2: I had driven my car a distance away and overdose

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Speaker 2: two times in a row like separation of two weeks.

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Speaker 2: I nearly killed myself. And after that, in the hospital,

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Speaker 2: I asked my mom to bring me my Bible because

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Speaker 2: I really didn't know where else to turn at that point.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I really turned to my faith. That kind

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Speaker 2: determined to completely turn my life around. So yeah, after

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Speaker 2: too many suicide attempts, to keep track of I haven't

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Speaker 1: I've talked with people who describe having this kind of

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Speaker 2: It does get better, it really can. I believe anybody

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Speaker 1: Was there a moment, whether it be talking with someone

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Speaker 1: So do you have people that reach out to you

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Speaker 2: Actually, usually I go out and find them, But if

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Speaker 2: Well, I do have a website. I have a portfolio website,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Now, is there one last thing that

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Speaker 2: People get very scared when you start talking about psychosis,

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Speaker 1: True. Well, I've really enjoyed this very interesting, very informative.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking the time. Did you join

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Speaker 2: No problem? This was great, Thanks so much, Tony, It's.

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Speaker 1: Been my pleasure. Thanks again, A big thank you to

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Speaker 1: exactly what we hope to do. Until next time, keep believing,

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Speaker 1: keep learning, and most importantly, keep asking yourself, why not Me?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to

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