WEBVTT - KJ Live - Cedric Maxwell 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:10.320 This is kJ Live with Chris john Sallie and Chris 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.680 is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:20.680 entertainment in a strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.479 tuned in to kJ lock. Today's guest on the show, 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:29.280 there's a two time NBA champion for the Boston Celtics. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:35.720 He was named NBA Finals MVP in He now works 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.640 as a radio analyst for those same Celtics. Ladies and gentlemen, 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.240 let's welcome in NBA legend Cedric Maxwell to the show. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.280 What's happening to Maxe? Well, thank you man for having me? 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.720 You did? You left with that one value a partner. 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.240 I played with your daddy That would drive me to go. 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.080 That was the that was like at the end of 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:58.160 all that playing with the Clippers. I I enjoyed him. 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.880 You know, we battled so much when your dad played 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.640 with the he was there with Milwaukee, and then all 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:05.680 of a sudden we both got to be a little 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.400 bit older and we got traded away from our prospective 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.560 teams and ended up in the l A that day 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:13.920 in l A with the Clippers, and we had so 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.520 much fun. The only thing I laughed about is. I 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.600 told him, I said, here I was. Every time they 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:23.920 introduced your dad uh as the Clippers. Everybody, Yeah, Marcus, 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:28.840 every time they introduced me, go back to bosting your pomb. 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:32.280 We hate you here. So every city I played in 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:37.040 that year, I got booed, except when I came to Boston. Funny, 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.560 that's funny. L a fan cup of fans got their 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:41.480 nerve trying to bull a Boston god. They claimed to 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:43.759 hate the Lakers. So I don't understand how they were 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.959 booing you, But I guess so, man, I guess that's 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.440 how it's going down back then in the eighties. Uh, 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:52.480 talk to me about though Donald Sterling's Clippers. What it 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.120 was like during that era. My dad's been on the 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.240 show man here talking about y'all was practicing. I would, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.560 you know, Pomona understanding Motel sixes and it was it 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.680 wasn't really on that level, Yeah it was. It was. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:08.200 It was from the NBA. It was third world when 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.079 you think about playing in the NBA all the luxuries 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.680 that kind of go along with it. That for us 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.560 was was kind of crazy. But I think we enjoyed it. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:20.760 You know, we had a bunch of veteran guys who 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.280 came there all of a sudden, we were we basically 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.840 surrounded Derek Smith. At that time, it was gonna be 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:30.120 a buddy superstar in the league. And and then he 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.799 got hurt and the first i think first five games 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.360 of the season. We were in the first five games 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:37.800 and uh, you know, we're off to a good start. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.440 And then everybody got hurt and you had that Clipper, 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:44.240 that Clipper jinks, and uh, we never we never recovered again. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.360 It was it was fun being out there. It was 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.280 really different from me because you know, obviously playing in 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.720 championship games with the Celtics. Remember when one called in particular, 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.760 I'm playing and and and the referee something happened and 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.480 I got fouled and I was like, you know, and 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.240 I looked at him. He's like, you're not with us 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:10.679 any more. And the Clippers you're not getting that damn call. 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.160 There's no way you're getting that call. So so it 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.640 was really strange kind of being out there, being in 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.960 that environment and trying to understand the nature and how 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.680 really the game changed from being with the Celtics a contender, 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.480 to somebody with the Clippers, who were pretenders at the time. Yeah, 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.880 and you, I mean the contrast and the organization's probably 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.600 was a show shock for you. I saw that you 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.560 had moved out to Palace Verdes and and one of 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.120 the big things for you when you're in l A. 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.760 Was the commute. The drive, I mean two hours to 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:40.920 two hours from just talk a little bit about that 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.640 first kind of year and getting acclimated to the l A. 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:47.280 C that that was that was really strange. We moved 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.920 Don Cheney, who was the head coach at that time, Um, 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.480 he decided he he left out in Palace version said, 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:59.600 my wife used to babysitter's kids and they were really 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.160 good ends and found a great house out in Palace Verties. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.560 But he said, the commute, it was essentially it was 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:10.720 gonna be maybe about almost an hour going into the 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.760 sports arena, then an hour back, and like on a 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.080 game day, essentially it was about four about a four 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.400 hour drive on the road. And uh, it was that 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.040 was that was diff But it was one thing about it, 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:26.919 I always said after the game, it was peaceful. It 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.039 gave me a chance to kind of detox a little bit. 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.280 When you played in the game. Sometimes when you live 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.960 really near you're you know, you're still pumped up. Well 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:37.839 that gave me a chance to it just kind of 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.440 wrapped my mind around what happened and detox and get 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.920 back home and and there was nothing like living out 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.919 in Palace Verdes. Essentially I had a house that looked 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:50.520 out onto the Pacific Ocean and looked out on h 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:54.640 I could see Catalina, So it was it was. It 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.880 was a great place to stay, and it's one of 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.360 these places I wish I had sold at that time. 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.720 It was a ranch, three bedroom. We got it for 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:07.520 three hundred and ninety five thousand dollars and uh, the 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:12.680 Pacific Ocean was our backyard. So now I don't know 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:17.960 if it's three million or yeah, it was. It was 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.960 at the end of a dead in street, so it 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.359 was like we were on the hillside and there was 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.080 nothing in front us, so all you could see was 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:29.040 the ocean. So it was a great view. But it 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.000 was again just trying to understand l A and then 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.919 trying to understand basically like being in l A. I 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:40.119 think the biggest thing was the adjustment to um being 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.520 famous or not famous, because essentially when you went out 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.600 to l A, I remember, you know, back east, I 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.640 go someplace. Hey, sire, that's why you doing. But then 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.159 got out the l A. It was like people walking 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.640 back me like, oh wait a minute here, hey, But 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.280 I learned that everybody was the start in Hollywood, you know, 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:01.680 from the from the person parking the cars deserving your 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.440 food that it was only a few people out there 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.680 to stop traffic. And I think Magic was one of 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.800 them at that time. So it was a different environment 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.839 for me. Yeah, you and you probably were on the 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.200 minds of a lot of l A fans from your 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.359 Boston Celtics years. I mean, the greatest rivalry in sports 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.520 in my opinion, Celtics verse Lakers, and you were a 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:24.160 part of that, like the core run um during the eighties. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:25.920 But but what I think a lot of people don't 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.760 realize is before Larry Bird was drafted to the team 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.080 or you know, you were the lead starting small forward 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:38.760 average nineteen, a game Bird comes in, talk about what 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.240 it took for you to sacrifice and basically get in 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.679 where you fit in if you will, with the Celtics 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:48.120 team and or as opposed to kind of you know, hey, man, 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.320 I this you know I want to play you know, 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.479 Average nineteen the game I deserved this you know, you 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.920 had you had another you had the opportunity to take 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.080 that standpoint. Max, talk about why you decided to work 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.520 with them. Well, I think that you you you understand 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.159 what greatness is, and you don't fight city Hall. You 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:10.080 know you're fit. You fit in Uh yeah, average nineteen 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.920 and ten. The year before Larry came. And you know, 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.560 I didn't think I was a big cheese. And Larry 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.440 came the first day of practice and and you know, 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.560 I'm looking at him. I'm you know, and I'm thinking, 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.760 and I was a prejudice of black player, so I 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.440 hadn't seen that many white guys could play. So you 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.560 walked over to the court and I remember doing like 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:32.440 this great white hope. I'm thinking, to my mind, okay, 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.640 this is its out to be a lay up. And 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.920 I knocked down a couple of shots against him. Okay, 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.440 this is pretty easy. But then he started knocking on 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.440 a couple of shots to me, on me, and then 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.880 I get up closer and closer. Man, I'm sweating. By 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.240 the end of the practice. Man, he's still draining shots. 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:52.160 I'm like, get to the first black person I can see, 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.000 and I say, you know what, that fucking white guy 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.560 can play right there. That's that was in my mind set. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.680 So I'm like, hey, so I gotta is to see 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.720 you know, really greatness and that. And then it was like, 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.920 you know, at that that point, I understood that my 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:12.080 game complimented his game and vice versa, and that you know, 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.720 we were He was an inside I was an inside player, 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.840 he was an outside player. You know. I was gonna 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:18.640 make it easier for him. He was gonna make it 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.840 easier for me, and um, you know, just trying to 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.040 use your smarts. And and I remember Ricky Davis watching 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.760 him playing when Lebron came in. Yeah, you're not gonna 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.520 you're you're not gonna win that battle, Ricky. There, I 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.760 don't care what you do. You don't have to work 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.360 in that environment. And uh, Larry Burger coming in, you know, 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.080 it was his team, you know, and and and the 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.280 way they paid him where he came in, how he 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.280 was playing. So it was it was an opportunity for 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.320 me to adjust my game. And I had to adjust 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.480 my game, probably most more than most, because not only 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.160 did we get one white player, you know, Larry Burbet, Damn, 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.240 we get Kevin McHale next, and we get probably Parish 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.360 and my shot still going down and down at that 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.360 But it was all about winning. We had the I 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.440 think we had the greatest front line maybe to ever 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.360 play in the game. And those four and and us 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.400 four guys that we have on with Louis and read 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.120 hour about Uh, put created that Big four? Right. It 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.400 was a draft I read you, you know, I started 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.400 off with the foreword and Robert Perris was breaking that 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.040 down on how you guys got together. Uh. I don't 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.760 think he gets enough credit for building it. And I 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.480 don't think that that's that that that Big four really 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:34.720 gets talked about enough in terms of in NBA history 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:36.520 and how it was formed and and then and the 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.560 effect and and the lasting effect it had on the game. 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:44.280 Because y'all always six eight between six eight and seven feet, right, 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.480 so six eight six, Kien sixtens seven feet and then 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.800 Larry at the small forward. But you and Kevin mckill, 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.199 I mean, you guys were pretty much interchangeable and sense 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.000 and it seemed like you would pick up, you would 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.600 take the defensive matchup on the other end. Talk about 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.719 a little been about just changing your mindset from a 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.640 guy that's a nineteen and ten guys sacrificing your points 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:07.199 just to be able to look like say, hey I 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.480 got i got Bernard King on this series, or I'm 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.960 picking up doc in this series and just just totally 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.760 you know, gave it your all on that end. Well, 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.679 I didn't have a choice. That was the big thing. 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.280 Bill Fitch walked up to me the first day of 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.200 practice said I scored a couple of baskets. I was 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.800 laughing about something and pulled me to the side and 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.840 said it seems like a pretty smart guy. I'm like, yeah, okay, 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.720 where is this going? He goes, um, you know every 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.000 night you're gonna have to guard the toughest guy. I'm like, 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.840 whoa is a minute? You know, I'm I'm a lover, 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.199 I'm not not a not a fighter and uh but 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.520 he made it clear that look, if somebody has to 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.480 be sacrificed, if you have to say, if there's some 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:49.760 office that's gonna have to be sacrifice, it's gonna have 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:53.880 to be you. And now I didn't. I was reluctant, 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.560 but after a while I stought to embrace it and 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.360 think how could we win? What could I do to 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.280 make this team better? So, yeah, I had to guard 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.520 guys like your dad. Yeah, you know, guard Marcus and 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.679 you know, had to guard Burnard King and guys like that. 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.520 And it was tough because, you know, on one end 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.640 they were trying to guard Larry and then Larry would 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.920 score on them, but he and but Larry wouldn't guard 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:20.760 him on the other end, so they'd all be piste 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:22.640 off by the time they got back down to the 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:24.400 office of me and and they want to take it 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.560 out on me, like dude, look, hey, hey, why don't 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.079 you take it out a little? And I remember one 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.480 time in particular, Larry was standing beside Bernard King and 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.600 he said switch Switch. I'm like, well, no, you're standing 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:37.880 right there. You could you could you take him for 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:42.960 a minute? Those were those were you know, just times. Uh. 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.440 We got Robert Parrish and Kevin mckill all in one 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:51.680 fatal swoop Golden State Warriors um that year they had 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.559 the third pick in the draft, subits had the first 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.320 pick in the traft, and Golden State came to me 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.679 and said, what we wanna do is we wanna we're 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.360 gonna give you I was a free agent. We're gonna 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.920 give you a big contract once you play with Golden State. 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.000 And when they have Robert Parrish. When you get this 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:12.480 kid McHale and that's gonna be our front line, I'm like, okay. 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.560 And then two days later I see where the Subtics 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.199 traded their first pick to the Golden State Warriors, and 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.520 Golden State took Joe Barry Carroll and we got Robert 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:26.840 Parrish and Kevin McKell to Holiday one of the biggest, 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.760 biggest lopsided deal maybe too ever. And I like Joe 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.880 Berry Carroll. You know, it was a good players. He 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.839 was serviceable, he was an All star, but he wasn't 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.720 going to be you know, Hall of Fame material like 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.960 Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale. So it was a outsided 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:47.120 deal that worked on the favor of the Celtics. After 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:51.000 you guys won the title one, you had a down 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.120 year the next year. I believe you guys got swept 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:56.640 by the Bucks. Don't tell me, but I had to 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.520 bring it up because I could when I used to 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.040 look at that throughout, know when I was younger, right, 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.960 and I'm like, how did this happen? I never understood 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:05.360 it that I saw a couple of lines in the 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.000 book where you said the player you guys basically or 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.960 the players were just kind of kind of grown weary 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.720 of Coach Fitch because of his hard grinding style. Just 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:18.000 talk about that year coach Fitches style and why you 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.400 know that collapse sort of happened. It was a sweep 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.440 to the Bucks, I mean unexpected after the championship. Well, 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.640 I think one of the things that happened was that 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:31.480 they said Bill Fitch was he was a taskmaster and 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.560 he he he didn't allow us to grow his men. 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.800 Because of that, I think there was a rebelliot uh 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.280 you know where Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale and Nate Archie, 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.040 but a lot of people just were tired. And give 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.600 you an example like say, for instance, if we were 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:49.760 at the man if we're a Madison Square Garden playing 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:53.240 the game. Bill Fitch had this rule early on that 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.280 if we're at the garden after the game team stayed overnight, 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.160 we would have to go back to the hotel, even 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.440 if you have free and waiting for you, uh you know, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.000 at the garden after the game, you had to go 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.079 back to get on the team all the way back 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.440 and then come back if you want to. And and 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.040 guys got really you know, worry about that and and 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.480 there were a lot of things and and Bill just 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.520 did not let go. Instead of once you win the championship, 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.440 you've created you need to create more of an environment 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.880 and you grow as a coach and you let your 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.920 more leeway. Well, Bill didn't do that. He wanted to 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.520 maintain those same rules and didn't allow us to grow 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.240 as players. And I think that really took a toll 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.640 one how we performed. And it just almost seemed like 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.160 a mutiny that that that year that we lost to 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.680 the Bucks, just like we were probably we were a 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.560 better team, obviously a better team to get swelled, but 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.680 it was just so many guys just seemed to be 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.760 so piste off that we we just didn't play well 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.800 at all. And then and it reflected itself just as 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.640 far as like effort and lock in as far as 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.600 what coach is telling y'all and executing game plans kind 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.920 of like man, f this or wasn't it like that 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.280 type of prevalent attitude like f this stuff? We you know, 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.520 I'm not rolling coach. Yeah, And I think that that's 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.200 what you know, a lot of guys were. It was 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:19.840 a mattitude that they felt like it was it was 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.600 just too much form and because of that, I think 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:27.000 that it made us. It took us from being a 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:30.160 tight team to a bunch of individuals. And you know 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.200 in the NBA that you cannot win a series. You 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:38.160 can't win if you have the environment where you are splintering. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.200 And that's what happened that year. We were splintered and 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.560 because of that we got what by the Bucks and 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.320 Bill Fitch ends up leaving and uh, Casey Jones comes 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.200 in and Casey Jones takes on the mantle and you know, 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.560 we go want to win another championship with the guys 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.440 who have versus electors. Who was the big biggest difference 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.920 between Kate coach Casey Jones and coach Bill Fitch. I 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:03.480 think that Casey was in the mindset he he he 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.360 had been a former player and nothing nothing wrong with 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.680 you know, you know guys who have ever played, because 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.240 great Great probably is one of the greatest. But coaches 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.960 we had, but I think that he had a sense 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:18.400 of what we needed and he really let go and 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.320 he allowed those guys to be individuals and and I 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:26.200 think they were They played harder for him and respected 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.920 the fact of what he gave us. And then those 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.280 players gave it back to him. So I think that's 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.920 why we want Oh man, it told I mean, you 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.920 could really see the differences just in the years and 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.840 in the level of lock in and how you guys finished. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:43.120 You guys finished that season with under Casey winning the championship, 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:47.240 correct me beating the Lakers. Fox Sports Radio has the 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.200 best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.720 our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com and whin 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.240 the I Heart Radio app search f s R to 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.840 listen live. Something I love listening to you talk about 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.560 and reading about, especially when you when you were on 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:08.880 Coop's Michael Cooper's podcast, You're talking about the Bakers, straight 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:13.879 up Bakers, okay, and you go, you know you gonna 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:15.920 you don't make it, You're gonna make me keep it real. 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:17.919 I hope you got one of them button that you 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.640 can make it my words, because I've been I've been 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:26.240 really Lucive've been very solid here, you know, even say yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.199 that's all good, and it's all good. Man. I just 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.440 want to know where the hate came from. Why. I mean, 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.560 I know the rivalry, I get it, but what what 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.240 was it? Was there an exciting incident Max that like 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.680 y'all was like, oh, man, them dudes on the l 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.720 A man, f them, Tragic Johnson, James Worthy, what happened? 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:43.960 What was it? That was it? That was it? They 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:47.679 were Hollywood and we just did not like that, you know, 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:51.159 we were we were the hard working team and you 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.879 and Magic smiling all the time and ship that just 0:17:56.000 --> 0:18:00.160 really arked our players, and we just didn't. We just 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.159 didn't like it. And because of that, I mean, we 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.520 just took and I think one of the things you 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:09.040 look at most of their players, most of the players 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:13.760 on the Lakers were drafted and went to college as 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.840 high prospects. You know, Kareem did, one of the all 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:21.520 time greats, Magic, James Worthy, Cooper, all these guys right 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.720 now we're and you look at most of the guys 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.760 who were on the Celtics. Larry Brewer went to Indiana State. 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.120 I went to U and see Charlotte. Robert Parrish went 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.920 to Sitting Therey mL Carr went to Guilford. So we 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.320 had all these guys who are going to smaller schools, 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.560 and I think because of that, they felt that much 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.160 more threatened by you know, those those big time, big 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.080 time name players that you played damn. You had Pat 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.520 Riley over there, and that was I just talked to 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:55.680 Pat when we played the uh we're playing Miami, and 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.160 I mentioned something to him and had him laughing now 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.360 because he walked out of the room and a back 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:05.520 and Alonzo Morning walked out first, and Alonzo's Frat, you know, 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:07.840 I'm the mega. He walked out first, and I said, 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.040 what's up, Frat, you know, talked to him and then 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.800 right after that here comes out the room. He walks 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.159 out pat Riley, and I said, Pat, what's up? He 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:21.160 does He looks at me, goes this, turns about like yo, man. 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.199 He said, man, I don't want to talk to you, 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.240 and I told him to stir. I said, Pat, you 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.440 one of my all times favorite stories was with you. 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.400 I was were playing the Lakers and there were three 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.280 guys on the bench over there for the Lakers. One 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.600 of them his name was Larry Spriggs. I think the 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.040 Sprigs is over there talking a bunch of ships. The 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.000 whole time, him and his boys three of Max, Well, 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.480 you ain't ship, You ain't this, you ain't that. I 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.840 was like, okay, all right. So the ball goes alabounas 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.280 near pat Riley and I'm the designated guy taking the 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.240 ball out of battles. So the referee is about to 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.880 hit me the basketball and I said, I said, hold 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:01.399 a minute. The reph we kind of looked at me, 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:03.760 like what you're talking about? Just hold up a minute? 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:07.160 Pass that beside me, I said, Pat, get your get 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.000 your button ready here, I said, give me a favor. 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:16.160 Put when the motherfucker's in down there, does you get 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:21.040 in the game. Spriggs comes in, I'll score on him. 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.120 I'll score a couple of baskets. You know. Pat takes 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.920 him out before he goes out. I'm like, next time, 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.280 real people and real players out here working working hard. 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:35.480 Maybe you shut your damn mouthing over there. He went 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.840 over there and sat down and it was quiet. Pat 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.960 Riley said something to me was so so funny, you know, 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.400 I told him the story, said, I know Springs gave 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:48.679 you work over there. I'm like, man, then if fundlet's 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:52.560 be Spreings gonna put their springs up, we come on, man, 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:56.440 you're serious. That was worth funny moments. One thing about 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:00.040 you know the Lakers who they were, And now I 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.320 got this big thing going back and forth with James 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.720 Worthy and you know where we're we're kind of bickering 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.640 in the in the news from time to time, and uh, 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.680 James Worthy is almost like, uh, when everybody said anybody 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:21.320 stept Trump, James Worthy is anybody except the self. So 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:25.240