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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris john Sallie and Chris

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Speaker 1: is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and

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Speaker 1: entertainment in a strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now

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Speaker 1: tuned in to kJ lock. Today's guest on the show,

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Speaker 1: there's a two time NBA champion for the Boston Celtics.

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Speaker 1: He was named NBA Finals MVP in He now works

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Speaker 1: as a radio analyst for those same Celtics. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: let's welcome in NBA legend Cedric Maxwell to the show.

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Speaker 1: What's happening to Maxe? Well, thank you man for having me?

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Speaker 1: You did? You left with that one value a partner.

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Speaker 1: I played with your daddy That would drive me to go.

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Speaker 1: That was the that was like at the end of

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Speaker 1: all that playing with the Clippers. I I enjoyed him.

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Speaker 1: You know, we battled so much when your dad played

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Speaker 1: with the he was there with Milwaukee, and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden we both got to be a little

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Speaker 1: bit older and we got traded away from our prospective

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Speaker 1: teams and ended up in the l A that day

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Speaker 1: in l A with the Clippers, and we had so

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Speaker 1: much fun. The only thing I laughed about is. I

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Speaker 1: told him, I said, here I was. Every time they

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Speaker 1: introduced your dad uh as the Clippers. Everybody, Yeah, Marcus,

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Speaker 1: every time they introduced me, go back to bosting your pomb.

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Speaker 1: We hate you here. So every city I played in

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Speaker 1: that year, I got booed, except when I came to Boston. Funny,

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Speaker 1: that's funny. L a fan cup of fans got their

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Speaker 1: nerve trying to bull a Boston god. They claimed to

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Speaker 1: hate the Lakers. So I don't understand how they were

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Speaker 1: booing you, But I guess so, man, I guess that's

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Speaker 1: how it's going down back then in the eighties. Uh,

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Speaker 1: talk to me about though Donald Sterling's Clippers. What it

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Speaker 1: was like during that era. My dad's been on the

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Speaker 1: show man here talking about y'all was practicing. I would,

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Speaker 1: you know, Pomona understanding Motel sixes and it was it

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Speaker 1: wasn't really on that level, Yeah it was. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was from the NBA. It was third world when

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Speaker 1: you think about playing in the NBA all the luxuries

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Speaker 1: that kind of go along with it. That for us

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Speaker 1: was was kind of crazy. But I think we enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: You know, we had a bunch of veteran guys who

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Speaker 1: came there all of a sudden, we were we basically

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Speaker 1: surrounded Derek Smith. At that time, it was gonna be

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Speaker 1: a buddy superstar in the league. And and then he

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Speaker 1: got hurt and the first i think first five games

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Speaker 1: of the season. We were in the first five games

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we're off to a good start.

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Speaker 1: And then everybody got hurt and you had that Clipper,

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Speaker 1: that Clipper jinks, and uh, we never we never recovered again.

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Speaker 1: It was it was fun being out there. It was

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Speaker 1: really different from me because you know, obviously playing in

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Speaker 1: championship games with the Celtics. Remember when one called in particular,

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Speaker 1: I'm playing and and and the referee something happened and

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Speaker 1: I got fouled and I was like, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I looked at him. He's like, you're not with us

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Speaker 1: any more. And the Clippers you're not getting that damn call.

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Speaker 1: There's no way you're getting that call. So so it

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Speaker 1: was really strange kind of being out there, being in

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Speaker 1: really the game changed from being with the Celtics a contender,

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Speaker 1: to somebody with the Clippers, who were pretenders at the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you, I mean the contrast and the organization's probably

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Speaker 1: was a show shock for you. I saw that you

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Speaker 1: had moved out to Palace Verdes and and one of

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Speaker 1: Was the commute. The drive, I mean two hours to

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Speaker 1: he decided he he left out in Palace version said,

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Speaker 1: my wife used to babysitter's kids and they were really

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Speaker 1: But he said, the commute, it was essentially it was

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Speaker 1: It was a ranch, three bedroom. We got it for

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Speaker 1: three hundred and ninety five thousand dollars and uh, the

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Speaker 1: Pacific Ocean was our backyard. So now I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's three million or yeah, it was. It was

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Speaker 1: I learned that everybody was the start in Hollywood, you know,

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Speaker 1: from the from the person parking the cars deserving your

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Speaker 1: Boston Celtics years. I mean, the greatest rivalry in sports

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Speaker 1: part of that, like the core run um during the eighties.

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Speaker 1: it took for you to sacrifice and basically get in

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Speaker 1: where you fit in if you will, with the Celtics

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Speaker 1: Average nineteen the game I deserved this you know, you

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Speaker 1: I'm like, get to the first black person I can see,

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Speaker 1: picking up doc in this series and just just totally

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a choice. That was the big thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm not not a not a fighter and uh but

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Speaker 1: to be you. And now I didn't. I was reluctant,

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Speaker 1: and we were playing that night. We're playing Robert Parish

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Speaker 1: sitting there university and that was a big We were

428
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Speaker 1: the two top Independence and said me and Robert Pashil go.

429
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: He said, man, you don't know. I was in the

430
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: front row of that game watching you guys. He said,

431
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: I love watching you play. So it was just kind

432
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: of strange for him to say something that was actually positive,

433
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, when it came to me or about the Celtics.

434
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: But you know, he I liked you, actually like James Worthy.

435
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, he's one of the greatest players to ever

436
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: to play the game. I wouldn't say that out loud

437
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: for him or anybody else I norm on your podcast,

438
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 1: but you know that that's that's just the truth. They

439
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: had a great team. Kareem was my favorite player of

440
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: all time. I wore number thirty three in college because

441
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: and I told this to Kareem, I said, you're my

442
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: favorite player. And I wore the number thirt three in college.

443
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: And when I got to the Celtics, I wanted thirty three.

444
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: But there was a guy, Steve Gibirsky, who wore the number,

445
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: and then they gave me thirty and then it's he

446
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: cut that he got cut. But I was like, they said,

447
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: you want to change numbers like now, No, they know

448
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: what happens. Larry Bird comes in and gets thirty three,

449
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: so I probably would have had to change that number. Anyway,

450
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: I noticed you you wore several different numbers during your

451
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: NBA career. Correct was there any rhyme? I mean, I

452
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: know the obvious with Kareem and then Bird, but what

453
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: about the other numbers. Were there any rhymo reasons behind that?

454
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: Or you like the numb When I was with the Celtics,

455
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: I wore the number thirty. That's the first number that

456
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: gave me. And then mL car we got him um

457
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: as a free agent, and he wore number thirty and

458
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: asked me could he have that number? And I'm like, man,

459
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: I just have to have a number. So I gave

460
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: me thirty one, and uh, you know, I end up

461
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: make taking that to the rafters and all that. But

462
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: then I went to the Clippers, I think I wore

463
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: I see the nineteen, and then I think my last

464
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: year after with the Rockets, I wore eighteen. And that

465
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: there was no rhyme of reason. A jersey was a

466
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: jersey to me back then, and just to have one

467
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: on your back was cool. Yeah. In eighty four, you you, um,

468
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: you guys wanted title that. I think you got hurt

469
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: and got traded in the same year. Talk a little

470
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: bit about it was a little controversial exit. UM Now,

471
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to hear in your words what

472
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: happened with that scenario as far as you being traded

473
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: and the way you exited Boston. UM. In nineteen eighty

474
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Speaker 1: four when the championship UH seventh game here in Boston,

475
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: uh eight and eight. I had in that final game

476
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: against your guy James Worthy when points were points were

477
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: premium at that time, and end up winning the game,

478
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: leading the team and scoring let him in I think

479
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: assists in that game. The big time thing for me.

480
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: It was even you know, for me, although I was

481
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: the final's MVP and eighty one that was just that

482
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: was just as good, if not better, beating the Lakers

483
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: in that way. The very next year we win the championship,

484
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: I came back and I had a monists tear in

485
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: my knee and couldn't in the middle of the season

486
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: and couldn't come back, and Kevin McHale started and he

487
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: had the game of fifty six points and I knew

488
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: that was the last game that I was gonna be

489
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: starting with the Sultans and they were looking to trade

490
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: me then. The only thing about it, I was just

491
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: upset because I just wanted them to wish me the

492
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: same kind of luck. We had won two championships together.

493
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 1: I've done so many things for this team, and at

494
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: the end of the day they to leave in that

495
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: manner like, you know, like I was a bad guy.

496
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: And it's really always strange because you know, the year

497
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: the next year, eighty five, when I couldn't come back,

498
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: I was the person that they blamed essentially for losing

499
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: the championship because I couldn't come back from the injury.

500
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, how good was I If

501
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: you had Robert Parrish, if you had Kevin mckill, if

502
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: you had Larry Bird, and you have Dennis Johnson, you

503
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: had four Hall of Famers, But you blame me for,

504
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, losing the championship. So it told me my

505
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: value to the team. So when I finally left, I

506
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: just said it was it was it was animosity. I

507
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: just wanted to leave and I just wanted them to

508
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: wish me luck, and and they traded me for Bill Walton,

509
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: and Bill came in and played for a year. They

510
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: won the championship the next year, and I went to

511
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: the Clippers, and you know, I was, I was. I

512
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: was happy about leaving. I was stupid about leaving, though,

513
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: because I left a lot of money on the table. Um,

514
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: you know, the money I was the guy, uh you

515
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: know by being with the Celtics that year. Uh my

516
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: shoe deal essentially was you know, went from a hundred

517
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars a year from pony to almost

518
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: having to buy some damn shoes. So it was it

519
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: was just it was just kind of strange. But but

520
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: I just left in haste because I was just very

521
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: I was just piste off at the organization because um,

522
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: I guess my Um they the boss that they checked

523
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: to me was my credibility and who I was us

524
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: as a person. You never checked that during the times

525
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: we want so when I got hurt, how can you check?

526
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm very seldom I'm ever you ever

527
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: going to hear me say anything about a player being

528
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: hurt and questioning what he can do, because the player

529
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: is the only one that knows his body. You know,

530
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: they can say you're ready and do all this other stuff,

531
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, it's the player

532
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: that's going to make that decision. And and that's why,

533
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, really pissed me off about that when I

534
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: left the weather and went to the Clippers. Yeah. And

535
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: these stories that you're talking about, and a bunch of

536
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: other good stuff are all in your book. If these

537
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: walls could talk what you dropped in December correct and

538
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: talk about the timing of the book. Um, what sort

539
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: of inspired you to write it and to address some

540
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: of this stuff into and to really share a lot

541
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: of untold, absolutely hilarious stories about your time in the league. Well,

542
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean it was it just seemed like it was

543
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: time to me. I remember having a bunch of stories,

544
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: and I'm always doing public speaking, and somebody came to

545
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: me and said, yeah, man, I need you to talk

546
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: about you know, this and that and what happened. I said,

547
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: And then somebody approached me about writing the book. And

548
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: one of the stories, which you know I love and

549
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: that you probably want, was the story with your dad. Uh,

550
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, me and Marcus and and Franklin net was

551
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: were playing woman Frankly, it was were playing pool in

552
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and your dad. Your dad walks in and

553
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, he's like, yeah, I can shoot, I can shoot.

554
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: Me and frankl way shooting and you know, we're relatively quiet.

555
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: So your dad comes in and he saw a shooting

556
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: knocking down balls and I said, frank Franklin, I said,

557
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, let me test Marcus right here. Let me see.

558
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: And I started yelling. I said, you know, while he's

559
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: trying to shoot. I said, oh, and you love this.

560
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: I said, you can't play that, niggapool. Can't you play that?

561
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: You're playing that? U c l A. You know quiet.

562
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: Everybody has to be the wine and cheese crown. Oh yeah,

563
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: you you you're the cheese crown. Brother. I start yelling

564
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: at it man that brother couldn't make a But your

565
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: dad told that, and I forgot about the story. But

566
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: the author went and told your dad about asked your

567
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: dad about, you know, when I played with the clippers,

568
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: and he remembered he told the story, and the author

569
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: was telling the story and then we're about to put

570
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: it in the book. And then that the author that

571
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: that people are so politically correct now. They were like, oh,

572
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: we can't use that word. Uh nika pole, we can't

573
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: use that. I said, I said, well, what word are

574
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: you gonna use? Well, how about we use African American.

575
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell I think that was the

576
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that was gonna scare my man. So no,

577
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: we said, I'll tell you what we can do. You

578
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: can use in I g and you know, let somebody's

579
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: imagineation go. But we were we're not taking that word.

580
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: That that was. That was the crusts of it. And

581
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: your dad was so funny when he told that story.

582
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: And uh, when the guy told me about it what

583
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: Marcus had said, he said, I was intelligent, I wasn't funny.

584
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: I was funny. I was a great player. And it

585
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: was it really was built up. But then when he

586
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: told me the story about the fool game that I forgot,

587
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, that's right. We did have Marcus Johnson.

588
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: They're playing pool, and he was so funny because he

589
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: got he just got round. You know, you know, your

590
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: dad is cool calling McCay. He he might be one

591
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: of the coolest dudes with you know, I'm not sure.

592
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: There's just Denzel and then your day, your dad's up

593
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: there something like cool. But when he heard me talking

594
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: about that, yelling at to the top of my lunch, oh,

595
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: you can't play that, niggabool when I'm yelling at you

596
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: can't play that because and he just bust out. So

597
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: that was a great story that I think that we

598
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: had in the book. And there were many stories that

599
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: I end up putting in the book that were really good.

600
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: One of the most fascinating ones I think was talking

601
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: to my um. The guy asked me about my family. Initially,

602
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: I said, man, with a great story. I ended up

603
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: doing a girl that had that had been within college

604
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: forty years ago to sit me. Uh sent me a

605
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: leather a text message saying, well, four years ago I

606
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: wrote your leather and I told you I had your

607
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: daughter that that woman has now found me, and um,

608
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: I told her you were her dad, And I didn't

609
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: think that was possible because you know, I knew who

610
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: this woman was and what was going on in life.

611
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: So I end up I end up taking the paternity test.

612
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: Turnity test came back zero point zero point zero. So

613
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: I told her, you know, I don't know, it's not true.

614
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: You know it's true. You know, you know I was

615
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: just the best candidate. So yeah, anyway, I'm telling my

616
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking to my sister, Lisa. I said, Lisa, I

617
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: just want to let you know I took a fraternity test,

618
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: and without sing to beat, my sister said, oh, so

619
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: you can find out who your real father is. I'm like,

620
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: that's another candidate. That's another candid worm. Yeah, that one

621
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: when I was talking about and uh, it made me

622
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: made me going to the process now going back and

623
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: found out I was not I was not born Cedric Maxwell.

624
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: I was Centric, folks, That's who I was. I was

625
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: born out of way lock. My dad was the Ford

626
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: small and my mom just kind of glossed over and

627
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: she ended up married Manny Maxwell, who was in the military,

628
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: and Manny took us took me around the world, took

629
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: me Hawaii, all over the places places he was stationed,

630
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: and gave me his name. And but they never told

631
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: me until I did not officially here until I was

632
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: about sixty years old, that my my cousin, who was

633
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: ten years older than me and ten years younger than

634
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: my mom, finally said, yeah, I remember you remember with

635
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: your little snotty nosed you was Cedric Folks at the time.

636
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: And that's the first time ever heard that my name

637
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: was different. Found out that I had a brother who

638
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: was also six sight. So my life has really been

639
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Speaker 1: a kaleidoscope here, I say, in the last five or

640
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Speaker 1: six years, that's deep. What is it like? I wanted

641
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Speaker 1: to ask you this specifically, what is it like growing

642
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: up having grown up in Kinston, North Carolina. We have

643
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: a couple of NBA players, uh, Jerry Stackhouse, Brandon Ingram,

644
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: what's in the water down there? And what was life

645
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: like growing up in the area that you did in Kinston,

646
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Well, I think that's really strange because you

647
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: say that and there were there were they say that,

648
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, they got the Emmy for there was a

649
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: documentary on um there's something in the Water the story

650
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: about Kinston, North Carolina and they got the Emmy for

651
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: it was myself in per capita, Kinston, North Carolina has

652
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: had more professional basketball players and even players are round

653
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: that uh than any other place maybe in the world.

654
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean the place only has about thirty thou or

655
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand people. Now for the last I said,

656
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: the last forty years has always had somebody in the NBA,

657
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: if not one, if not to I mean Um Bullock

658
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: who played with Dallas, he's actually he's actually from Kingston.

659
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: Jerry Stackhouse was from Kingston, and then Ingram from Kinston.

660
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: Charles Shackelford who played in the league is from Kingston.

661
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: Mitchell Wiggins who is right outside of Kingston. Uh. You know,

662
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: so there are so many players that played during the

663
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: era and it's just it's a hotbed of basketball essentially.

664
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Speaker 1: That's what we did. You know, we we played ball

665
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: all the time and that was a way to get out.

666
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: I was the first one that you know, got out,

667
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: went to UNC Charlotte and then eventually made it to

668
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: the Celtics, and then after that the preceding years, we've

669
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: always had a player, uh this come out of Kilston

670
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: has played major commins basketball, and it eventually got itself

671
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: into the pros very Dope, very dope area of the country.

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676
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: really quickly to the contemporary times, today's game. Um, you

677
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: you recently and the reason it's funny how you came

678
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: up because I was showing my dad the video of

679
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: you g P and Draymond Hemond. Hey you were you

680
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: went on the mike, Hey because I told you, because

681
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 1: I said I wanted to, and then you walked away.

682
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: So I showed my dad. Dad, he was like, let

683
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: me hit him, my man, get him on your podcast.

684
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: But I wanted to just talk to you about the

685
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: core of those comments that Draymond made, kind of in

686
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: a larger scale, talking about today's game and the physicality

687
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: of today's game and why today's player like a Draymond Green,

688
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: has this misprocessing. You wouldn't he wasn't about that action

689
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: back in the day, as I told me. But I

690
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: asked his daddy because Daddy, if he saw me play. Um,

691
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: Draymond Green is a is a central part of what

692
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: they do in Golden State, and there are times when

693
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: he's more of an irritant, uh you know. And he

694
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: was self in the first game. In the second game,

695
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: he was just playing bullet ball. He was sucking guys

696
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: down quickly, falling on people, falling on people. Yeah, I mean,

697
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: just hold on the men, it's like. And then when

698
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: I saw Gary Payton later on, and I just walked

699
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: up to Gary and I said, Gary, let me say

700
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: something about your boy, uh you know, and he said,

701
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: what I said, let me day sit in Draymond ring

702
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: during the eighties, he've been knocked the funk out. That's

703
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: what would have happened. And so I didn't know it

704
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: was being well, I kind of knew it was, but

705
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: I thought they were gonna beat it out when I

706
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: said and I guess it got back to Draymond and

707
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: Draymond and took a fence Cerdric Maxwell said they would

708
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: knock me out, and dad that that, you know, they

709
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: would punch me in the mouth. And he he was

710
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: talking about but I've polled almost every player that I

711
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: played with in the eighties. I could ask your dad

712
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: right now with the stuff that happened that Draymond Green did.

713
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: It's not like these are just facts, bro, that's all

714
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: it is. I'm not hating on him. These just facts

715
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: the matter that I know. He and he mentioned he said, well,

716
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: maybe Bill Lambierre wouldn't lock me up. No, Bill Lambier

717
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: got blasted in Boston Garden by Robert Parrish. And then

718
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: he said the one thing he said, well, you just

719
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: act like people in the eighties were going around punching people.

720
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: Well they were, That's how That's how I was. And

721
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: and I did a show with Isaiah Thomas and I said,

722
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Isaiah, I'm saying and I went and

723
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: I told him later and I said, how do you

724
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: think you got them stitches across your eye? Right there?

725
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: That was a Karl Malone elbow. And then it was

726
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: for no reason other than you would come to the

727
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: basket call him a little took you out? Did they

728
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: throw called alone out that game? Probably didn't. I behave

729
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: him a technical and you you move on. But that's

730
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: the way the game was played. And I didn't. I

731
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to offend him. I was just stating the

732
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: fact of how the game was played, and I said

733
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: it during the eighties, this what would have happened. And

734
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: then later on Dreymond came back at me and he

735
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: was like, I was talking to Garrett Payton maybe two

736
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: days after that, and Draymond made at the point of

737
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: coming over and getting in our conversation. I was walking

738
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: out and I'm talking to Gary, and Draymond walks over

739
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: and says, you're gonna be talking to Garrett Paye. You

740
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: don't be talking to people right now who'll be talking

741
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: about me. You will be saying that you know you

742
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: protect me, GP, you protect me, and g P looking like, dude,

743
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: you need to be protected like and I'm like, And

744
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: then at that point I said, Draymond, I'm standing right here,

745
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: you need to talk to me, and he's I don't

746
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: want to talk to you, and then I just I'll

747
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: walk out and that This is what I said. The guys,

748
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: my witness, your dad would love this because I said,

749
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: you know what I said, Gary, I said, let me

750
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: get the funk out of here right now before something happened.

751
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: He's gonna still make thirty million. I ain't making that

752
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: kind of money. So I said, I gotta protect myself

753
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: on the back side and walked out and Draymond and

754
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: that later on he came out kind of right after me,

755
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: and we talked for a minute. I said, Raymond, I'm

756
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: not hating on you said, well, be a man of

757
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: your word. Be a man of your word. You you

758
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: said that you said that somebody was gonna punch me

759
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: the mouth. That ain't what I said. I said, somebody

760
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: in the eighties would knock you the funk out. That's

761
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: what That's what I said. But I didn't want to

762
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: inflame it anymore. I said, I am a man about

763
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: my work. And finally at the end of us said, look,

764
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: I happened to like you. I like what you did,

765
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: but you know, are we good? And we shook hands

766
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: and we walked off. But you know, he's talked about it,

767
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: and people talked about it. Matter of fact that you

768
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: loved that. I think it was on YouTube and had

769
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: almost two million view views when he came to that one.

770
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: I wasn't meaning anything back, but it just happened, Yeah,

771
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I get into it all the

772
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: time with with folks on Twitter and just in the

773
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: arguments the younger generation when they talk about the eighties

774
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: and they call the players from the eighties plumbers and

775
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: repair men, and they just disrespect Like it's one thing

776
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: to say things about who you think is better, who

777
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: is nice, and who ain't. But then when you start

778
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: universally disrespecting a whole generation of basketball players, that basically

779
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: set the tone and foundation for what's going on in

780
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: today's NBA. That's where I take umbrage. Well, see that's

781
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: what and that's the one thing I did say to Draymond.

782
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: Draymond said, um he said that, you know, during the eighties,

783
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: if you got kicked out of the game, you'd only

784
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: had you've only been fined about two dollars. Well, that

785
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: that's a that's a mockery. I said, you'n gonna say

786
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And I said, and I said, even now,

787
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: I said, for Draymond Green to say that that was

788
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: offensive to anybody I played with and anybody around me

789
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: during that time. And I said, because he makes he

790
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: made that third he makes that thirty million dollars a

791
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: year because he was he got on my shoulders and

792
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: everybody around me like the people I stepped on their shoulders,

793
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: So it was disrespectful. The last point I made to

794
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: him or anybody who want to hear that. I said,

795
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: it's only been thirty two now, maybe thirty three guys

796
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: who have been found m VP, and damnn, I'm one

797
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: of them. So I'm not one of these these flies

798
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: that you're going. Well, like he had talked to Charles Barkley,

799
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: you ain't one nothing you he did nothing that that Well,

800
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: you can't say that to me when it comes to

801
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: to my game. He did say something like, well, the

802
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: guys during the eighties, they would have had to increase

803
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: their skill level. Well, their skill levels were really good.

804
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: You probably would have had to increase your skill level

805
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: to play with all the hand checking. Step as great

806
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: as he is during the eighties. I think maybe because

807
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: its been slowed down just a little bit because people

808
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: have been able to put hands on it and and

809
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: kind of push him away. Right now, you can't touch

810
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: you guys, because you can't touch you guys. The way

811
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: he shoots the basketball almost impossible to guard. Yeah, well,

812
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 1: is there if there's a player that you could compare

813
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: Steph Curry too from your error or before that era,

814
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: maybe in the A B A days when they had

815
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: a three pointer. I don't know, Maybe there's a guy

816
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: that just the jumper and the ability just to move

817
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: so well without the ball and then go off the bounce.

818
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: Have you seen anything like it Max before? The only

819
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: guys I know that maybe shot like that was Freddy

820
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: Downtown Brown who would come off these picks and long

821
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: distance knocking down jump shots, moved well without the basketball.

822
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: But but there's nobody really likes there. And and the

823
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: thing that I admire about him, I said, only you

824
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: know his great DESI when you think about Steph Curry,

825
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: only two guys that I know have changed the game,

826
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: and the game had to be changed, see, you know,

827
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: kind of fit them fit them in. One of them

828
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: was Worth Chamberling. They changed the rules. He couldn't be

829
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: in the lane, They made the lanes bigger, they did this.

830
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: The other one, it's Steph Curry with his ability to

831
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: knock down trades. And you see, guys, right now, you

832
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: you've been around ball enough that you you you have

833
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: an understanding that guys who can't even fucking shoot, Now

834
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: that's the first thing to do, run up to the

835
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: three point life so they can give one of these

836
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 1: size and all this stuff from these shoot threes. It's

837
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: not it. Steph Curry is is a unique individual, and

838
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: he is broad in the game out in a way

839
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: that I can't even imagine. I only hardly understand the

840
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: game anymore, your dad. A lot of people in the

841
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: eighties don't understand the game anymore because instead of taking

842
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: a layout, you're right under the basket, you flinged up

843
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: all out to the two or three points shoot. And

844
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd rather just give me a solid too

845
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: sometimes then looking for three. But the game has changed

846
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: in that way. I understand that I'm not hating on it,

847
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: but I do understand this change. But in some ways

848
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: don't know if it's changed for the for the better,

849
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: because nobody is like Steph Curry shot the basketball. Yeah,

850
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: And when we say like the game has changed for

851
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: the better or for the worst, I think the game

852
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: now the emphasis is more about basketball entertainment. It's more

853
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: about the marketing aspect. It's more about preserving guys, keeping

854
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: guys healthy, making sure that the stars are able to

855
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: play these dates. You know what I mean. Because so

856
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: it's less about look, the emphasis on competition. Sure, these

857
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: guys are fighting for the championships that they win. They

858
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: earned this stuff. They're busting their butt. But the league

859
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: as a whole, it seems like the emphasis you change.

860
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: If you remember early in the season, Marcus Smart dove

861
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: on the ball playing against the Warriors, Marcus Smart dove

862
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: Steph Curry kind of didn't dive, and then Steph gets hurt.

863
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: But everybody's just calling Marcus Smarter dirty player basically for

864
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: playing hard. Talk about though, just this this basketball entertainment aspect, Max,

865
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: do you understand it, like like the the globalization of

866
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: the game that started with David Stern and incorporating all

867
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 1: the Europeans in and now you have a game that's

868
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: played at a fast pace, a lot of threes, very

869
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: little physicality on the inside. Just talk a little bit

870
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: about that evolution and and why would it be bad

871
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: for basketball? Like, why isn't this great for the game?

872
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: Without any type of pushback, Well, I think because you

873
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: said entertainment, the aesthetics of shooting the threes. Now the

874
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: the the actions that go along with it. Um, you

875
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: know the bang you get for your buck when Steph

876
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: Curry comes down the steps back behind the line and

877
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: people get a chance and you know the gas and

878
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: you know when that ball goes in. Uh, the game

879
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: has changed. And he said, then they're trying to preserve that.

880
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: You know, you see the longevity of a guy's career now,

881
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: you know when you see Lebron James getting up to

882
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty years and still dropping, you know, almost thirty

883
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: points a game, you know that that was unheard of

884
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: you When me and your father played, it was like

885
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: if you got ten years in the league plus you

886
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: that was a great rear. Now essentially you're in your

887
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: prime because the physicality isn't there, and the workload isn't there.

888
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: The fact that right now teams are teams really uh

889
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: they baby their players and and too in a good way.

890
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: And the fact that they have you know, training resident regiments.

891
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: Sabella food is better. Uh. You know during our time

892
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: we flew commercial uh so, and we stayed at a

893
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: horrible hotels that I can't believe. There's a hotel right

894
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: now that's still out there in l A that we

895
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: used to stay at. That was the Marriott, their port

896
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: Marriott is still out the Essentially, what would happen. You

897
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: would come, we would play Seattle, uh, and then fly

898
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: in the l A playing that playing on the next day,

899
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 1: you get to l A, you get to the hotel

900
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: and they tell you your room ain't red. It's like

901
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: one of them, like, really, we're an NBA team a room. No,

902
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 1: your room is not ready. It won't be ready until

903
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: two o'clock till people check out. Whereas now you go

904
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: to the Rich Carlton, you go to the Four Seasons,

905
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: your room is always ready. And the just the the

906
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: lifestyle of the players lying on their own plane is different.

907
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Obviously the money is different. It's just so many things

908
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: that are different about the game. But one thing you

909
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: do realize that the game is one thing about It

910
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: is about putting the ball in the hole and about

911
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: and that will that probably would never change. Yeah, no

912
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: it won't. Man. I like to finish up just talking

913
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: about these Celtics, uh, this year's team a little bit

914
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: and just what from your vantage point, because I as

915
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: I you know, obviously when it started to where it's come,

916
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: unbelievable evolution, unbelievable improvement on this team. He may has

917
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: just totally just grabbed ahold of the reins and really

918
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: put his imprint on on the identity of this crew.

919
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: But I think one of the things that stood out

920
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: for me, and you can chime in on this without

921
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: a traditional PG moving forward, is this Can the Celtics

922
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: get over the hump without having that type of traditional

923
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: point guard? Yeah, I think they can, and I think

924
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: the game has changed somebody to think about. Um, you

925
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: know all the guys you talked about who are playing

926
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: right now, and you you look at them, you're going

927
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: the game is more about the defensive pressure if you're

928
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: talking about staying out on on the pain. Um, I

929
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: look at the Celtic team right now. I'm excited because

930
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: they're young. You've got Jalen Brown who was under contract,

931
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: you got Tatum who was under contract, Marcus Uh, Rob Williams.

932
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: So the the core unit of guys are better, but

933
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to add some more pieces, uh to compete.

934
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: Now you say that, and you're looking at going there

935
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: were only two games away from winning the World Championship.

936
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: They were essentially a quarter away from, you know, and

937
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of minutes away from being up three

938
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: one against Golden State in the in the to say

939
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: it was a fourth game here in Boston. So I

940
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: don't think you're going to really you don't want to

941
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: mess it up. But you look at the league. The

942
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: league has always changing, It's always evolving world World, Kyrie

943
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: Irving World, Real League end up at Uh, you know

944
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: that's gonna be That's gonna be a huge question. I

945
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: heard people say this today and man, that would be fascinating.

946
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: Somebody said, well, maybe Celtics might be able to get

947
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: Kyle Kuzma uh from Washington, because I think what they

948
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: need is another score. And one thing you saw with

949
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: the Celtics, their bitch really kind of let them down

950
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: in the in the finals, Jordan's pool consistently outscored the

951
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: Celtic bitch. H Grant Williards who have been really who

952
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: have played really well, did not have a good finals. Uh.

953
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: You know, Pritchard did not have a good finals. I

954
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 1: think you look at Derek Quite who had a great

955
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: game one and in the game too, but after that

956
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: he kind of fell off the slide. So the Celtics need,

957
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: uh need more. But you got one of the five

958
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: best players in the league when you're talking about uh

959
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: Tatum uh and Brown is not far behind him. You

960
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: have a great coach, you have a great system, you

961
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: have a great organization, but you know you're always gonna

962
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 1: have to tweak it a little bit and uh fine

963
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: tune this thing if you're going to win the win

964
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: the championship, because obviously you know it's not promise. I

965
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: always tell the story about Dan Marino, the great football player,

966
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: how he went to the Super Bowl, maybe it was second,

967
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: first or second year planning in NFL, and uh, like

968
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: he never made it back again. And those things happen,

969
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe maybe those I don't think that's

970
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: gonna happen to the Celtics, but I think they're going

971
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: to happen. Have to tweak their their team some to

972
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: find some other guys who want to be able to

973
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: score the basketball. Thing I love about the Warriors just

974
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: watching the way they moved the ball, man, you know

975
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: that that was that was amazing to me to watched

976
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: him come off to those picks and you know, the

977
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: ball never stopped. And with the Celtics, several times Jason

978
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: Tatum was in a predicament where he had the ball

979
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: and and that was one of that was the Achilles

980
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: here Jason Tatum and they in in the playoffs this year.

981
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: Broker record, Uh, he had a hundred turnovers. A hundred

982
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: turnovers for one person. That's a lot of turnovers when

983
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: you think about you know, you played. I think he

984
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: played fourteen twenty four games. So you do the math.

985
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: How much says that about turning over the game? Five? Two?

986
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: Over the game and you you're not gonna win, you know,

987
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: at that pace if you turn over. So he has

988
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 1: to get better at that position. Yeah, but I definitely

989
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: feel like he's gonna he's definitely the top five player

990
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: and he's gonna end up being, you know, one of

991
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: these guys that we're gonna, you know, talk about and

992
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: holding high esteem. As far as in the history of

993
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: the league, I haven't seen a young guy. I love

994
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: his pois. Um That's that's the one thing I've always said.

995
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: He's fearless to me. I mean, sure he played bad

996
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: and he turned it over, but you know it wasn't

997
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: for a lack of effort, or it wasn't for a

998
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: lack of trying. Um Man, Max, this conversation has been awesome,

999
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: my man. I truly appreciate you coming through. Um the

1000
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: book is out. If these walls could talk and you

1001
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: you're still on Celtics broadcast right the radio? Yeah, I've been.

1002
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: I've been broadcasting for the Selviic. This is my twenties

1003
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: six year doing radio for the Selving. So I've been

1004
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: around a long time to see a lot of different

1005
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 1: things happened, and I think probably losing to the Goost

1006
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 1: and State Warriors and and to um uh Steph watching

1007
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: what he did and Draymond watching what he did probably

1008
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: was one of the most disappointing times. So I think

1009
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: I've been around. Yeah, well, brother, I appreciate you, and

1010
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: good luck moving forward. Everybody out there, go buy the book.

1011
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: You won't to be disappointed, Ladies and gentlemen. Cedric Maxwell,

1012
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: I alright, my brother, thanks for having me