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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready, it's about to hit

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Speaker 1: the fan. Welcome to unsanctioned Thursdays, honor wrestling with Fready.

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Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to unsanctioned Thursdays. You

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Speaker 2: don't need an intro, We've got Santos Escobar. This is

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Speaker 2: the continuation part two of our interview with the legend himself. Santos,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back here at my cultura. This is a place

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Speaker 2: where Latino culture gets a lot of representation. And Jeff

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Speaker 2: di and honorary, but uh, it's been you are honorary brother.

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Speaker 2: So I want to talk a little bit about Latino

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Speaker 2: representation on television in general, not just wrestling. I mean,

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Speaker 2: when I was a kid, my grandmother liked professional wrestling

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Speaker 2: so much and she had a million reasons why, but

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Speaker 2: one of them was it was nice to see a

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Speaker 2: And she was right. And I was a young man

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Speaker 2: and realized that at an early age it was wrestling,

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Speaker 2: and it was Edward James almost on Miami Fice like

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Speaker 2: What does it mean to you coming from Mexico City,

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Speaker 2: making it big, having big dreams, having a big enough

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Speaker 2: have that plan come to fruition, and now you're here,

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Speaker 2: a success, and you're able to live out your dreams

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Speaker 2: and be an inspiration to others.

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Speaker 3: Man, that's exactly my aim. One of the movies that

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Speaker 3: I've always liked was Blood In Blood Out.

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Speaker 2: Oh my, you know, a movie's hardcore, man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it also shows hard sides of the Latinos

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Speaker 3: living in La By then, I have a lot of

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Speaker 3: the movies that I liked the most. Piggybacking of what

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Speaker 3: you said about Edo James almost and I was inspired,

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Speaker 3: but even then to do something for my people. You know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes your vision is to become someone or to go somewhere,

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Speaker 3: Like I wanted to wrestle in America. That's what I wanted.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to go and work for the FED. I

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Speaker 3: didn't know how though, like all I had and I

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Speaker 3: come from a Luca family, but the extent of of

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Speaker 3: my reach would be lucha libre, and sure enough I

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Speaker 3: did become an international lucha libre figure in Mexico, Japan

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Speaker 3: into the US. But I wanted to cross over. I

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Speaker 3: before me. I saw, of course Ed grero Rebi Stadio,

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Speaker 3: all the people that came back then, El Dandie Los Bianos,

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Speaker 3: you know, all the people that was before me, Nietzsche

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Speaker 3: and Mion Nadio or Psychosis as you know, HOVI. All

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Speaker 3: this people inspired me and I didn't know how to

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Speaker 3: Just that La Parka who took my mask in Mexico

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Speaker 3: by the way, Oh yeah, bitch, yes, son of a guy,

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Speaker 3: and I hate him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's good there. Yeah, finally we found

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Speaker 2: one to hate. We found one to hate, Santos. That's

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Speaker 2: a real reason it is. Yo, you're such a historian

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Speaker 2: on lucha libre. I remember I sent you like a

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Speaker 2: time to time, and you wrote back.

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Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, that was so quick, how did

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Speaker 4: you know that? And dude writes back, I wrestled him.

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Speaker 3: I was like, and he's an Og. He's an Og,

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Speaker 3: he's seventies. That's why I you wrestle that guy wrestle

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Speaker 3: on my my beginnings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about the history of Luca, man, Like it's

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Speaker 2: me hip to Santos, right, And like all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: I was or El Santo, you're Santos? And he got

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Speaker 2: me hip to him because I was talking about other

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Speaker 2: al I'll do a JBL. You haven't heard of al Santo.

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Speaker 2: They got a goddamn day named after him down there, boy,

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Speaker 2: And so I got I got hip and learned about him.

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Speaker 2: But to you, like, what does it mean to be Look,

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Speaker 2: I think we can all agree that raised the gloat right,

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping he does. I'm hoping this rub people the

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Speaker 3: I always wanted to become the greatest Luca or working.

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Speaker 3: Of course, Rey is and will always be the gloat

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Speaker 3: because of everything he's done and he's I mean, and

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Speaker 3: I know's he will do more, but and he's still

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Speaker 3: to get there. And that's what I've been doing for

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Speaker 3: a while, working hard, working hard, showing up, growing learning.

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Speaker 3: If I don't know something, asking about it, Luca Livre,

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Speaker 3: we're closing in on the one hundred years in Mexico.

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Speaker 3: It was brought by Lahamille Lutrodes and they build it

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Speaker 3: That's how Luca Libre came about in Mexico, and my

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Speaker 3: family has been doing lucca for almost sixty years of

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Speaker 3: me in my DNA, the need, the destriert need to

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Speaker 3: always put out there who I am, where I come from,

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Speaker 3: and what I'm about. I wrestled in all of those arenas.

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Speaker 3: I struggled with all of those promoters. I got into

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Speaker 3: because that's all I've ever wanted to let people know

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Speaker 3: And what I'm about is lucha libret and the luta

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Speaker 3: libert tradition, the lucha libert culture laun lire, which is

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Speaker 3: not just the lucha libre with the masks and the

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Speaker 3: shiny colors and the shiny moves. Yes, that is, but

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Speaker 3: in Mexico is so much more than that. It's a

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Speaker 3: social phenomenon, That's what it is. People go and attend

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Speaker 3: soccer games, football games, sports events with their masks, with

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Speaker 3: That's how deep. That's how deep the lucha culture is

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Speaker 3: in Mexico. So when someone says you're a lucha guy,

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Speaker 3: I never take it like that, because yeah, I am

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Speaker 3: a lucha guy, and I represent Alucha Nation and I

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Speaker 3: And the more I do my thing and the more

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Speaker 3: I am the greatest lu chella working today, the more

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Speaker 3: this is gonna spread out, the more podcast I'll be

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Speaker 2: How sick would it be if they started making movies

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Speaker 2: again like they did It's Persanto back in the day,

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Speaker 2: where it's full on mask in the movie. Go ahead, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: I know good.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, So while we're on this subject, because I

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Speaker 5: don't know how much time we have. I have multiple

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Speaker 5: occasions that I've gone to Mexico, I bring a laparka mask.

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Speaker 2: And then there's been times.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, I will if I don't have it, because

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Speaker 2: I'll go.

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Speaker 5: I got to find one of these places that sells

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Speaker 5: all the masks, and I'll get a Laparka mask.

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Speaker 2: I'll wear it around on a scooter. I wear it

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Speaker 5: I wore it on stage for a for a Mexican

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Speaker 5: I wear I wear a Laparka mask when I'm in

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Speaker 5: Like you said, it's a phenomena. They go Laparca and

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Speaker 5: all my all my buddies that don't know anything about wrestling,

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Speaker 5: you're like famous when you wear that. I was like, no,

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Speaker 5: it's it's famous. This this is a it's a phenomenon

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Speaker 5: we like that. That white boy's rocking a Laparka mask

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Speaker 5: But I was gonna ask this question before we got

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Speaker 5: big part of the story. Because we only know the story.

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Speaker 5: We don't ever get to get to talk to you

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Speaker 5: as a as as the man on SmackDown dominate to

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Speaker 5: we how did you come to that decision that you're

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Speaker 5: you and you have to agree that he's gonna take

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Speaker 5: your mask off? How does that come about?

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Speaker 3: No, that's something that we we, I mean Ray and myself,

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Speaker 3: latest premium live event Survivor Series, I tore draug a

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Speaker 3: important that our audiences get that feel because now we

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Speaker 3: Luca culture, but like really really doing it, you know,

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Speaker 3: like the mask, the tradition, the respect that's behind the mask,

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Speaker 3: the mask, it means something. You know, it opts to stakes,

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Speaker 3: it makes it harder. And we were in Chicago, of

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Speaker 3: both places, Chicago is Mexico. So when I tore that mask,

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Speaker 3: when because when I tore that mask, I could feel

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, the crowd did not like you. That

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Speaker 2: was a great crowd, by the way, that was a

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Speaker 2: great Chicago usually is when I worked there, they were

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Speaker 2: always a good crowd. Santos, I think you're an extraordinary person,

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Speaker 2: crazy impressive you. You learn so fast and the ride

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Speaker 2: you've been on has been so fast. I know you

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Speaker 2: posted this on Instagram. You you were able to purchase

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Speaker 2: your parents a home this year. I know what it

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Speaker 2: I did it, and the amount of the pride I

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Speaker 2: had for her taking care of me all those years,

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Speaker 2: and now is it's our turn to take care of them.

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Speaker 2: I love that you're still so close with your family,

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Speaker 2: so good to your family. You're just you're so laser focused. Man,

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Speaker 2: I don't see anything but good things for you. And

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Speaker 2: that's all I wish you in the future. Brother, for real,

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Speaker 2: Thank you man same.

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Speaker 3: I think it's important to take care of the people

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Speaker 3: who took care of you and everything that I am.

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Speaker 2: You've been doing great man, the show's been great. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much again for doing this show. Man, it's

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Speaker 2: it's just it's an absolute pleasure to have you on.

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Speaker 2: It was a pleasure to have Selena Vegan as well.

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Speaker 2: I know you guys are cool anymore, but.

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Speaker 4: She's got a mean right and brother, does you ever

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Speaker 4: I saw that reaction, I was like, oh, that's real,

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Speaker 4: nothing but love.

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Speaker 2: She's amazing. We got love for her too. Thanks against

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Speaker 2: the best, Thanks for again for being on the show. Man,

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you. Got mad love for you. Tons of

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Speaker 2: respect everybody. Thank y'all for listening. The Thursday show exists

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Speaker 2: because you guys demanded it as always. Appreciate y'all. Love

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Speaker 2: to y'all. Santos, you got cgi hearts going on. That

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well he knows trip. That's how he got it. Man,

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Speaker 5: you could get all this stuff.

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Speaker 4: Oh and the Heartbreak kid, what if they just started

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Speaker 4: and I was mentored by the heartbreak kids.

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Speaker 3: Don't ever forget that.

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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, hell yeah.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks again for coming on the show. We'll

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Speaker 2: see y'all next week. As always, Peace. This has been

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