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Speaker 2: It's a fact, isn't it that if they were both males,

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Speaker 3: She actually excels over Rigs in such manners.

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Speaker 1: Per opponent in the Battle of the Sexist is fifty

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Speaker 1: five year old Bobby Riggs, who in nineteen thirty nine,

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Speaker 1: one player in the world. Now he's working as a

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Speaker 4: This is the scene in the Astrodome.

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Speaker 5: I'm down to the floor of the Astrodome with a

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Speaker 1: The lead up to the match is a spectacle. King

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Speaker 1: She gives Riggs a piglet to symbolize as male chauvinism.

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Speaker 1: Ninety million people are watching from home, including Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: businessman Jerry Buss and his eleven year old daughter, Jeanie.

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Speaker 1: As history has documented, Billy Jean dominated the match and

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Speaker 1: became an enduring force for equality. A year later, founding

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Speaker 4: Zins God's Tide her Ring another golden momment from Wimbledy.

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Speaker 1: World Team Tennis was all about in arena entertainment, and

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Speaker 1: doctor Jerry Bus, who was itching to buy a professional

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Speaker 6: The World Trophy to the owner of the Los Angeles Lakers,

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Speaker 7: And here you go, Jerry Buss, it's yours.

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Speaker 1: That didn't happen for another five years. Meanwhile, doctor Buss

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Speaker 5: When he offered me the job, I was still in school.

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Speaker 5: I said this great, I can quit school and just

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Speaker 1: Job and World Team Centis was so crazy. That was

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Speaker 1: like an early accomplishment that you had, whether it was

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Speaker 5: You know, we were really fortunate that Martina Navrachulova was

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Speaker 8: We'll see Martinez looking for this forehand to come up

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Speaker 1: The Bus family was all about championships. That became the

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Lakers, the La Kings, the Great Western Forum,

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Speaker 5: You know, it was such a great experience for me

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Speaker 1: Doctor Buss transformed the Lakers into showtime entertainment worthy of

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, you just look at timing, you know,

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Speaker 6: This man has a smile that lights up a television

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Speaker 5: He was just one of those great personalities and great

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Speaker 5: and that further cemented the Lakers just being a team

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Speaker 1: What's more, the showtime Lakers, as you said, really put

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, there's there's the standard, and then there's

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Speaker 5: it's hard to compete with your past success. Our fans

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Speaker 5: the NBA has, you know, through a salarycap system, a

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Speaker 5: It's a different environment than you know, when my dad

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Speaker 5: Every time Larry Bird got a new contract, my dad

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Speaker 5: My dad always wanted Magic to be the highest paid player,

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Speaker 5: and you could do that because there weren't the same

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Speaker 1: But a decade of dominance in the eighties was followed

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Speaker 1: by a decade of disappointment in the nineties, the Lakers

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six. Second and nineteen year old Kobe

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Speaker 10: The Charlotte Hornets select Kobe Bryant from Lower Merion High

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvan acquired by the Lakers in a draft day trade

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Speaker 11: So therefore, every time I step on a basketball court,

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Speaker 7: I'm not going to leave anything on the floor.

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Speaker 1: But the Shack and Kobe show was not an immediate

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to say that.

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Speaker 8: These Spurns has a better individual talent than the Lakers,

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Speaker 8: but I am going to say they have.

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Speaker 5: A better team.

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Speaker 1: A four game suite by the Utah Jazz in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight Western Conference Finals exposed the Lakers team

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Speaker 6: Total domination by the experienced Utah Jazz against the youthful Talada.

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Lakers, and so in nineteen ninety nine, Doctor

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Speaker 1: to bring it all together.

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Speaker 3: Without feather Ado, the new coach at the Los Angeles Lakers,

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Speaker 3: Phil Jackson.

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Speaker 1: From the NBA and iHeart podcast This is NBA DNA

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Speaker 1: with Me Hannah Storm, Episode nine, The Lake Show, January thirteenth,

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, Chicago, Illinois, Credentialed members of the media

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Speaker 1: assemble on the floor of the United Center for a

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Speaker 7: For the second time in little more than five years.

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Speaker 12: Michael Jordan is choosing to walk away from the NBA.

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Speaker 12: Now it looks like he's gonna be walking away for good.

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Speaker 1: Only six months earlier, Jordan led the Bulls to their

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Speaker 1: six NBA championship under head coach Phil Jackson.

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Speaker 2: My Everybody, Hannah Store back here in Chicago. In the

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Speaker 2: past decade, the Chicago Bulls have forged one of sports

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Speaker 2: from great dynasties. Five NBA titles in the last seven

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Speaker 1: Mj had won the league MVP and Defensive Player of

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Speaker 8: In ship number six Michael against Russell twelve seconds eleven

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Speaker 1: Why it was the end of an era. That same

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he pretty much knew it. You know, we

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Speaker 1: Phil Jackson had been the first Domino general manager. Jerry

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Speaker 1: Krause made it clear that Jackson's contract would not be renewed,

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Speaker 1: and after the finals, he left the franchise, literally riding

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Speaker 1: And meanwhile, the Lakers had one of the most promising

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Speaker 1: tandems in the NBA, Shaquille O'Neill and Kobe Bryant, but

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Speaker 1: they have been swept out of the playoffs for two

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Speaker 1: years in a row. Doctor Buss bequeathed the running of

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Speaker 1: the franchise to his daughter, Jeanie. Can you paint the

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Speaker 1: picture of when you were promoted to executive vice president

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine, what the state of the franchise was,

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Speaker 1: you know, what you were stepping into and taking over.

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Speaker 5: You know, Shaq Shaquille O'Neill had joined the Lakers as

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Speaker 5: by Jerry West in nineteen ninety six. You know, we

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Speaker 5: Dunk contest his rookie year, and my dad, you know,

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Speaker 5: And the coach that he hired was Phil Jackson. And

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that, looking back, that Phil Jackson

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Speaker 1: In his first Lakers press conference, Phil promised to help

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Speaker 1: Balancing the two personalities would become essential to the team's success,

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Speaker 5: Luckily, you know, in my earlier career, I you know,

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Speaker 13: There were some personal goals that were standing in front

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Speaker 14: I thought, in order to work in California, you have

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Speaker 14: It was nineteen ninety nine. I never forget it was

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Speaker 14: and I said, you're not going to let these guys

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Speaker 14: They need the system. People don't realize it's the system.

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Speaker 14: So when I got on the Laker I was a

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Speaker 1: Here's Robert or on the change with Jackson at the helm.

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Speaker 15: You know, Shaq was very disciplined that summer. I even

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Speaker 15: And I think that was the biggest key, because Shaq

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Speaker 7: Kobe got Hurt's right. We just rove Shack's coattails to

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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety nine, Phil's first year with the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: they went sixty seven and fifteen, and Shaq became the

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Speaker 10: Number one in scoring, number two and rebounds number three,

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Speaker 10: only three people played more minutes as you were leading

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Speaker 4: It's a pleasure to watch you grow. Congratulations, nineteen ninety nine, two.

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Speaker 10: Thousand, NBA MVP, Shaquille.

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Speaker 7: It was fun.

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Speaker 15: And you've never played with a dominant big man. You

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Speaker 8: A perfect ash from Toby Bryant, great execution by Shock.

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Speaker 1: Young Kobe began to blossom under Jackson averaging twenty nine

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Speaker 1: to the NBA's All Defensive Second Team. Here's Phil reflecting

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Speaker 9: He had everything all in markings. The way he posed,

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Speaker 4: In the air up the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers moved quickly through the first few rounds of

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Speaker 12: You love the playoffs because of star players come to

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Speaker 14: That's what this is all about.

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Speaker 1: You had championship experience. Did you ever speak up about

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I didn't have to say anything because we had

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Speaker 7: You know, Kobe will always ask.

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Speaker 1: Jackson led the franchise back to the NBA Finals to

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Speaker 11: Ladies and gentlemen are very pleasant.

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Speaker 8: Good evening to you from the beautiful Staples Center, Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 4: Tonight, the real season begins.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers came out hot, dominating Game one, shooting fifteen

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Speaker 4: He's on his way to a forty point night.

439
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: In Game two, Kobe sprained his ankle during a Lakers win.

440
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: The Pacers took Game three and the Lakers game four

441
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: in over time.

442
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 10: Your turn, mister Bryants, What if you got for us

443
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 10: this time?

444
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 4: Kobe? Pull up tony two.

445
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 8: Yes, if you want to be a hero, you gotta

446
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 8: take her shots.

447
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: Thanks to a heroic performance by a still recovering Kobe

448
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: and a missed buzzer beater by Indiana's Reggie Miller.

449
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 8: Oh, and that's it, the Lakers take a three one

450
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 8: series lead.

451
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: That says one for the Then the Pacers crushed the

452
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: Lakers at home in Game five.

453
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 4: That's still handling on top, waits for putting. Reggie Millard steps.

454
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 13: Inside off of facing shot.

455
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 4: Yes, nails the three ball for the left corner.

456
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 13: I don't like to think of a team that has

457
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 13: championship quality in it that loses by thirty three points.

458
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 13: And you know, we have to prove something to ourselves

459
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,239
Speaker 13: when we go back home.

460
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 5: In this regard, there was always this calmness, you know,

461
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 5: and it was very deliberate by Phil to never let

462
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 5: the players see you sweat, right, So he always stayed

463
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 5: calm so that the players could always have a place

464
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 5: to check in and check into that calmness. And there

465
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 5: was something about watching those teams you just never doubted

466
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 5: that they were going to pull a rabbit out of their.

467
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 8: Hat, both teams battling for their collective lives.

468
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 4: Fox waits for Shaq. He doesn't come so far.

469
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: The Lakers gave Hollywood the ending they had wanted since

470
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, a championship, beating the Pacers one sixteen

471
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: to one eleven. Shaq had forty one points and twelve

472
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: rebounds and was named Finals MVP.

473
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 10: Congratulations to the NBA two thousand.

474
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 6: Champions, Los Angeles Lakers, their fans in the city.

475
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 4: I'm not wanting to y'all.

476
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 8: We're gonna be.

477
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 16: One next year.

478
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 5: To y'all.

479
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: The Bus family envisioned the first dynasty of the New millennium,

480
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: picking up where the Bulls and MJ had left off.

481
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 4: What a steal by Kobe going on the runway.

482
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: That is where you do the comparisons to the Jordan

483
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: here's John Sally.

484
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 14: I told Michael he's tied soap detergent and Kobe is

485
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 14: tied point two or ever grief when he did nothing

486
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 14: when I got on the Lakers too, he watched tons

487
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 14: of films.

488
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: He's so serious.

489
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 14: He watched tons of film.

490
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 9: Didn't you know.

491
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 14: He couldn't go out, so he couldn't hang out. So

492
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 14: he was just imagined, not worrying about anything and just

493
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 14: playing basketball. The blessing was he came in so early.

494
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 14: He had a father who played in the Pros. His

495
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 14: mother is a wonderful woman. His sisters were like he

496
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 14: had an unbelievable support. Like I tell people, when Kobe

497
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 14: came into the NBA.

498
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 7: He lived at home with his parents.

499
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: That's right.

500
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 14: But Jerry West saw the same thing I saw when

501
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 14: I got to him. It was it's a fire that

502
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 14: I have not seen anywhere else. Kobe was like that.

503
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 14: We ran sprints. He ran him. He didn't jog him

504
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 14: when he took his shots. Same feeling, the tenacious idea

505
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 14: of this guy's in front of me. I had to

506
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 14: move the ball here. That was all in his brain.

507
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 14: I'm going to be I mean, I asked him too

508
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 14: one time. I said, so, you're the next Michael Jordan.

509
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 14: He said, no, I'm the first Kobe Bryant.

510
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: Here's Phil Jackson.

511
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 9: I arranged a meeting between Michael and Kobe two give

512
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 9: him a little impression of how to handle the in

513
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 9: a restricted basketball system that relied on passing the ball

514
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 9: to available teammates and wanting to go one on one

515
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 9: with this guy in front of you. So I arranged

516
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 9: we had a little meeting in the cigar room off

517
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 9: the bar downstairs, and Michael and I were sitting there

518
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 9: and Kobe walked in after a shower and the press

519
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 9: and went on, and he sat down and he said, Michael,

520
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 9: I can take you one on one. And Michael said, well,

521
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 9: I think you might. I'm thirty seven or twenty two, right,

522
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 9: But that was part of his growing up years, and

523
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 9: his teammates would come to me and say, you know,

524
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 9: Kobe never goes out with us. He's always in his room,

525
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 9: he's watching tape, he's doing this and that, but he's

526
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 9: not really associating with us. And so I pulled him

527
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 9: aside and I said, you want to be to the

528
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 9: team someday, don't you? And he said, oh, I should

529
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 9: be captain. Now, I said, Gobe, you don't associate with

530
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 9: your teammates. Here's separate the part. Well, they think about

531
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 9: the girls and hubcaps and cars and whatever. I'm watching

532
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 9: the game. It's a serious business for me. And that

533
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 9: was how he was.

534
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: It was serious business and defending the title. Point Guard

535
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: Derek Fisher missed the first sixty two games of the

536
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: season due to a foot injury. And then there was

537
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: Kobe and Shaq both speaking openly about each other in

538
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: the media, and a loss to the Golden State Warriors

539
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: in December of two thousand. Kobe scored fifty one points,

540
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: but took too many ill advised shots down the.

541
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 13: Stretch, and it kind of exacerbated the situation we were

542
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 13: in that, you know, he was trying to win it

543
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 13: all by himself a lot of nights.

544
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: By January, after a twenty three point loss to the Clippers,

545
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: the team's frustrations had reached new heights. Here's Shaq.

546
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 11: I've never been the one to get into whose team

547
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 11: it is, who's this, and who's that. But when it was,

548
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 11: when everything went through me, the outcome was good. It

549
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 11: was sixty seven and fifteen playing with enthusiasm.

550
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: Shaq was a showman just as he is today, a

551
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: pitch man extraordinary, a star on screen and a rapper.

552
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 11: For all my friends in the media who like quotes,

553
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 11: mark this quote down. From this day on, I would

554
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 11: like to be known as the Big Aristotle.

555
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: But one could argue Kobe may have been a bit

556
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: more like Aristotle with a cerebral approach to basketball as

557
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: he developed his own philosophy.

558
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 5: Phil had the way of breaking through, and he didn't

559
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 5: treat everybody the same. He knew how to talk to

560
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 5: each person. And you know, remember him telling me that,

561
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 5: you know, Jeanie, at some point Kobe will rebel against me.

562
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 5: And I said, no, he loves you. Are you kidding?

563
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 5: But you guys are winning? But and he goes, no,

564
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 5: it's just it's just that's just the way it's human nature.

565
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 5: I'm an authority figure. You know, as somebody comes of age,

566
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 5: then they challenge, you know, what was there before so

567
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 5: that they can establish their identity. And you know, I

568
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 5: mean Phil the psychology of it all, and of course

569
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 5: we all know that that's kind of what happened. You know,

570
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 5: what do they what's the old say? Like when the

571
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 5: students already the teacher will come, and they will and

572
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 5: Phill was the teacher.

573
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: Here's Derek Fisher.

574
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 17: The things going on, I guess with Kobe and Shack

575
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 17: were well documented, but it was too much focus put

576
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 17: on that, and I think, you know, for a lot

577
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 17: of us as members of the team, you know, we

578
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 17: kind of stepped back and also started attention to that

579
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 17: a lot instead of really being held accountable for what

580
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 17: we could do to help the team.

581
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: In March, Kobe suffered an injury that kept him out

582
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: of the lineup for nine games. It turned out to

583
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: be the reset everyone needed during the.

584
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 13: Period of time that Kobe set out. We had to

585
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 13: change our style back to where Shaq had the dominant

586
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 13: space on the floor, and once we got to that,

587
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 13: we executed very well. And I think that when Kobe

588
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 13: came back, it was really his impression that I'm going

589
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 13: to come back and I'm going to make this transition

590
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 13: into this team.

591
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 4: I was underneath of the baseline with Kobe n figuring

592
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 4: far and I'm selfish played by Kobe.

593
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: The Lakers turned a corner and won their final eight

594
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: regular season games, beating the Sacramento Kings to take the

595
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: division titles.

596
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 8: It again, O'Neil once again to Quidy two points, and

597
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 8: then a.

598
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 4: Better guard Kobe.

599
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: The cacular Shocky Corby, and then they took off.

600
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 5: I mean they only lost one game in the entire playoffs.

601
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: I mean that's regarded as one of the best all time.

602
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: Do you remember about that finals run? Why was that

603
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: team just so dominant?

604
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 5: You know it was it was about everybody finding their

605
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 5: space in the triangle, trusting in each other, and then

606
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 5: that just familiarity of having a core group of guys return,

607
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 5: you know, they don't have to go through a learning

608
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 5: process again, you know, and it was only going to

609
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 5: get better now. Nobody could predict that the kind of

610
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 5: run that they went on. It was a lot of.

611
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 4: The posterized so long.

612
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: The Lakers sweat the Western Conference playoffs, first the Trailblazers,

613
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: who had taken them to a game seven the year before.

614
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: Then the Sacramento.

615
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 16: Man slam Dollar, who one of a friend you absolutely

616
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 16: have to love what your cheek.

617
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: And finally the top seeded San Antonio.

618
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: Spurs comes outside to Bryant.

619
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 8: He's hoping he shoots for three good over Bryant, connecting

620
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 8: they have dealt a severe and perhaps fatal balls of

621
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 8: a Spurs championship hulks man.

622
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: Kobe dropped seventy three points in games one and two

623
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: on the road, earning high praise from Shack.

624
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 11: I told Kobe today he was my idols play. No,

625
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 11: I'm sure he's playing phenomenal. I mean, I don't know

626
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 11: what else to say. I think he's the best player.

627
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 7: In the league.

628
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: The Lakers wrapped it up in Game four at Staples.

629
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: Shaq finished with twenty six points and ten rebounds. Kobe

630
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: had twenty four points and eleven assists. I didn't even

631
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: imagine how you look back on that time, like what

632
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: what did you think and feel that your most important

633
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: contribution was during that time, because that's just that was

634
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: just iconic.

635
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 7: That run.

636
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 5: Whatever my dad needed, He'd tell me what he wanted

637
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 5: and I'd go execute. Like that's just that's just how

638
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 5: we worked. And as you know, the significant other of

639
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 5: the coach, I felt a little bit like I was

640
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 5: like Mama bear, you know, like this was I'm the

641
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 5: like team mom in a way, and so however I

642
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 5: could be however I could funnel information to Phil through

643
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 5: the wives, you know, if one family was struggling, because

644
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 5: you know, the kid's not sleeping at night. You know,

645
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 5: I'd make sure phil would get that information. It was

646
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 5: kind of like a wheel that, you know, everything kind

647
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 5: of fed off of each other in and it was

648
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 5: a cohesive unit.

649
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: The lakers perfect playoff run would come to a screeching

650
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: halt in Game one of the NBA Finals. The Philadelphia

651
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: seventy six Ers, led by league MVP Allen Iverson, had

652
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: come to play, backed up by.

653
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 4: Iverson down the floor.

654
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 6: He goes against O'Neil Allen by the big man Scoop

655
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 6: lap As Good and.

656
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 8: The Lakers are being humiliated here at this point of

657
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 8: the ballgame, this.

658
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 12: Is not going the way Los Angeles and its fans.

659
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: Iverson was unstoppable, scoring forty eight points. The Lakers lost

660
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: in overtime at home, one oh seven to one oh one.

661
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 4: Shot blocked down to three.

662
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 15: Snow with the ball.

663
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 5: He's gonna have to do it himself.

664
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 15: Back go to Allen.

665
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 4: He comes out the right side baseline paint open. Good.

666
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 6: What an incredible shot by Iverson, spinning like a top

667
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 6: through the paint.

668
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: The Lakers responded with two straight wins, taking control of

669
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: the series with an end of game dagger in Game

670
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: three by big shot Rocks Robert or Oi'll.

671
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: Take a.

672
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 16: Running away in the face of Philadelphia nails the three

673
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 16: ball for the left corner of Los Angeles Lakers.

674
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: I mean Magic's called you, which rightfully so one of

675
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: the greatest clutch players in history. In Game three in

676
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: the finals against Philly, I mean, this series is tied.

677
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: You know, you hit this three pointer with forty seven

678
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: seconds left and then you hit a free throw and

679
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: you guys win the game. What do you remember about that?

680
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 15: In particular, I remember me running to the corner. I

681
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 15: was feeling and I think what people don't understand about

682
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 15: when you are who you are. What I mean by

683
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 15: that not not the upper echelon players who get plays

684
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 15: right for them. You might be shooting the ball pretty good,

685
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 15: but you might not get it again because the ball

686
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 15: is going through Shaq, going through Kobe.

687
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 7: And that's one thing I love about b Shaw.

688
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 15: B Shaw is I'm gonna go to the hot guy,

689
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 15: and he knew I had been shooting the ball pretty good,

690
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 15: so he came to me in the corner, and instead

691
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 15: of me looking for anybody, I took the shot from

692
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 15: the corner to put us well, to put us up

693
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 15: and I remember fans yelling behind you know what, Philly

694
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 15: fans are saying outrageous stuff, and I never respond to anybody.

695
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 15: But after I made that shot, I look at the

696
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 15: guy and I say some things I know I shouldn't

697
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 15: have said, like shut the f up.

698
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 16: I couldn't help because the Philly fans, they just get

699
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 16: under you. Sometimes when you do something spectacular, you got

700
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 16: to say it. And plus I'm the type of person

701
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 16: I'm not gonna say nothing doing the game, but I

702
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 16: will say something at the end of the game when

703
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 16: I know he got in at hand, because I ain't trying.

704
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 7: To give anybody no spark or no bulletin board material.

705
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 5: You know, that's a momentum changer because then once that happens,

706
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 5: you know you've struck your your enemy, you know, the

707
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 5: person that you're fighting. You've drawn blood, and like, how

708
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 5: are they going to deal with that that wound? Are

709
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 5: they going to be able to pull it back and

710
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 5: get back on track? Are they gonna drop down a

711
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 5: notch and your team is gonna move ahead? You know,

712
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 5: sitting in the stands and watching that, it's it's like

713
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 5: where you're like, Okay, I'm I'm gonna stay really quiet

714
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 5: because I don't want to draw attention to myself.

715
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: Right, Oh my gosh, do you get really nervous because

716
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: you always you you always look pretty calm on the outside.

717
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 5: Do you get nervous? Yes? Absolutely right, It never ends.

718
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: The Lakers took the title in Game five at Staples,

719
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: finishing with the best record ever in the history of

720
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: the NBA Playoffs.

721
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 6: Back to back titles for the Los Angeles Lakers.

722
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 5: I remember my dad after the first one saying to me,

723
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 5: why does why does he have to make it look

724
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 5: so easy?

725
00:43:59,640 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 7: You know?

726
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 5: But it really is about everybody committing to what the

727
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 5: goal is, and everybody kind of sacrificing what they're about

728
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 5: their ego and about their game and how they can

729
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 5: fit in and create something bigger than just the sum

730
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 5: of its part.

731
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 7: You know. Kobe comes first with the Jeff and then

732
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 7: you follow with me the knockout.

733
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: Kobe and Shaq began the next season as co captains,

734
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: Perfect Cash.

735
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 4: And Kobe Bryan Great execution by Shock.

736
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 15: So many people talk about the riff, the beef, whatever

737
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 15: you want to call it, between Shack and Kobe. If

738
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 15: you ever just hung out with us as a team,

739
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 15: locker room practices bus. They never once said anything to

740
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 15: us about what was going on between them. It must

741
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 15: have been some much that was handled with Field because

742
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 15: we're going to practice, laugh and joke and this is

743
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 15: what you can tell, well, you don't like someone after practices,

744
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 15: everybody sits in the locker room their icing and doing

745
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 15: it is them. Dudes would laugh and talk to each other,

746
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 15: tell jokes either. I was just you know, in my

747
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 15: own world and never I never saw the beef. You know,

748
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 15: do you think about this when you looking back at

749
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 15: the first championship that we won there, who were the

750
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 15: first people to embrace shacking Kobe?

751
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 7: Right? And then next championship Shack and Kobe And for me,

752
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 7: I'm like, where is this beef?

753
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 15: I remember going into a third championship it started coming

754
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 15: out that you know, it was, you know, a hierarchy

755
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 15: going on. It's beef going on. And I remember telling press,

756
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 15: you know what, we don't need them anymore. Let's just

757
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 15: trade Shack and Kobe. I said that's a joke, right,

758
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 15: and they both come to like, oh, you're gonna trade me.

759
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 15: I'm like, there was a joke, dude, it was a joke.

760
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: And so yeah, you were trying to point out just

761
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: how like kind of ridiculous it was. You guys were

762
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: winning winning championships, but I never.

763
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 15: I personally, I never saw it. And because I you

764
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 15: know me, I'm just a fun loving guy. I've never

765
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 15: played with anybody I didn't like. I'm always trying to

766
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 15: have a conversation with people and trying to get know

767
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 15: people off the court, because you know, basketball is basketball,

768
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 15: but we are at the basketball we are human beings

769
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 15: with fathers, and I just tried to get to know

770
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 15: everybody on that on that playing field, and it was

771
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 15: great to get to know those guys. And and for me,

772
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 15: the beef was so ridiculous because we both get in

773
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 15: the same championship ring, you know what I mean.

774
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: The Lakers quest for a three peete began with the

775
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: sweep of the Blazers in Round.

776
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 4: One brows there comes frying where a shot.

777
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: They dispatched the Spurs in five. In the semis Kobe

778
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: dropped forty five in Game one and average thirty three

779
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: for the series.

780
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 4: Coming off the strip shot homing.

781
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: The real drama began in the Western Conference Finals against

782
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: a familiar foe in the Sacramento Kings.

783
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 4: These two teams backla both dings. There is some there's

784
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 4: not a lot of loss between theaster.

785
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 1: Clot So Game four Western Conference Finals in two thousand

786
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: and two and you hit this three porter with a

787
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: second left on the clock over Chris Weber, uh huh,

788
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: and you guys win one hundred and ninety nine. The

789
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: Kings were leading that series, by the way. The Staples

790
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: Center was going like berserk.

791
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 4: Yes, we're a lot of shoven. Second, what an more

792
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 4: about question?

793
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: What do you recall about that?

794
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 15: If you if I could take off my jack you

795
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 15: see I'm getting, I would be getting goosebumps.

796
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 7: I've made a lot of big shots.

797
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 15: That shot is the only shot when you just mentioned it,

798
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 15: I get goosebumps because to me, making that shot was

799
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 15: like the birth of one of my kids.

800
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 7: That's how special it is to me. Because give me

801
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 7: a little history. I grew up a big Laker fan.

802
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 15: I grew up a big Magic Johnson fan, and then

803
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 15: able to knock down that shot in Staples and have

804
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 15: the fans chant my name is. It is the greatest

805
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 15: feeling I started having your kids and being drafted into

806
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 15: the NBA.

807
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 7: For me, I remember walking off and in the locker room.

808
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 15: The fans I think stayed there maybe five to ten

809
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 15: minutes after the game, still chanting my name. As a player,

810
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 15: your ego always gets some gets in the way of

811
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 15: gets the best of you sometime, but this is the

812
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 15: one time the ego.

813
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 7: Was just like, yeah, you deserve this dog. And for me, man,

814
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 7: it was it's like when I go to meet my maker,

815
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 7: I want that video played at my funeral.

816
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 15: It's the best moment, like, you know, in my basketball career,

817
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 15: you know that shot, doing it in the Laker uniform

818
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 15: for one of the greatest franchises ever.

819
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 7: Man, it's extra special.

820
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 5: It's hard to explain the faith that you have, like

821
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 5: because it's just it's always seemed something would change the tide.

822
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 5: And whether that was you know, Phil changing you know,

823
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 5: like his substitutions, or Kobe's determination and will Shacks physical dominance,

824
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 5: something would break open and then there'd be this like okay,

825
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 5: we're making a run. Okay, you know, and oh we're

826
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 5: catching up. Now we're only down by twelve. And then

827
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 5: when you have somebody like Robert or who is so

828
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 5: underrated the fact that he could win in so many

829
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 5: different roles and so many different offenses and contribute to

830
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 5: championship teams in various organsanizations like that doesn't happen, you know,

831
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 5: like it's it's so rare, and he's one of them,

832
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 5: and him not afraid to take that big shot.

833
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 8: Christy inbounds to Weber underneath tiped away by the Lakers,

834
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 8: Fisher has.

835
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: It and the King came close, game seven overtime.

836
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 8: To the world champion Los Angeles.

837
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: But the Lake Show wasn't over. An anti climactic sweep

838
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: of the nets.

839
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 4: Swing again, the open shot up again.

840
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: And the Lakers had their three people, three p.

841
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 6: And a sweep for the world champion Los Angeles Lakers.

842
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 8: Phil Jackson has won for his night NBA Championship.

843
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: The Purple and Gold standard upheld. As you look back

844
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: on it, what do you think was the hardest part

845
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: of achieving a three peat? Because it hasn't been done since.

846
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: You might have made it look easy the Lakers, but

847
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't.

848
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 5: Well, you can see it like we didn't win four

849
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 5: in a row, and then what happens isn't you know?

850
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 5: I would I would think the Warriors, you know, and

851
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 5: the Bowls of the nineties, they could talk about what

852
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 5: happens just internally that you know, Phil even has a

853
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 5: saying there there isn't enough success to go around the

854
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 5: success of the team that all of a sudden, any

855
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 5: ego gets involved, Well, they wouldn't have won without that,

856
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 5: you know, Robert or hitting that shot. You know my contracts, Uh,

857
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 5: where am I getting paid? And it's really difficult to

858
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 5: sustain that kind of success, you know, it it carries

859
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 5: its own weight and you know, you like to think

860
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 5: that it would fortify you, but it's it's a leading

861
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 5: time and you got to make the most of it

862
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 5: and try to maximize the amount of wins that you

863
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 5: can get.

864
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of ways to look back

865
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: on the past, right and you can look back on

866
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: that era and say, wow, had Shack and Kobe say together,

867
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: there would be even more rings. Or you can look

868
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: back and say that's the way it was meant to be.

869
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: How do you look back on that in retrospect? What's

870
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: your perspective?

871
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 5: I think, you know, with the experience that I have,

872
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 5: what I'd like to share with the younger people, the

873
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 5: younger players in our organization is enjoy the moment. You know,

874
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 5: it's so hard to get there, and it's really special

875
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 5: when you do like, savor it, savor it as long

876
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 5: as you can. And what I really loved about Phil

877
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 5: was every year he would start a season, no matter

878
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 5: you know, who was coming back, who leaving, he would

879
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 5: start a season like, Okay, here's how we win a championship.

880
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 5: Some years it was, you know, kind of like a

881
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 5: straight line to the championship. And sometimes literally you're going

882
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 5: to have to climb the Himalayas in order to win

883
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 5: a championship. That's how hard it's going to be. But

884
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 5: there's always a chance that we can. We can win this,

885
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 5: and here's how we're going to do it. And this

886
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 5: is what I need from you, and each player set

887
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 5: their expectations. Here's here's how you're going to contribute to

888
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 5: us winning. And you know that that's really a message

889
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 5: that I try to pass to to everyone involved in

890
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 5: this organization. And and why I was so against teams

891
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 5: who would tank, Like tanking is uh saddling coaches and

892
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 5: players with losing records that have nothing seem to do

893
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 5: with them, and like the arrogance of a front office

894
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 5: to say, we don't think we can win a championship,

895
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 5: so we're going to just pile on and be as

896
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 5: bad as possible. It's such a disservice to people who

897
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 5: have spent their entire life trying to win.

898
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: Is there a part of you that wishes, maybe a

899
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: large part of you, that people would stop focusing on

900
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: the Kobe and Shack relationship and appreciate what they accomplished

901
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: together rather than the differences that they had when they

902
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: were both young men. I mean, Kobe is a teenager

903
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: coming into the league. Certainly the two of them put

904
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: that to rest, but I'm wondering their perspective on it.

905
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it just it's as time goes on,

906
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 5: it will it won't be the story that people will

907
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 5: want to talk about. Then want to talk about what

908
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 5: they did accomplish together, you know. And I know that

909
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 5: they had appreciation and the love for each other. I

910
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 5: saw it, you know, not in front of the cameras.

911
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 5: They really really did appreciate each other and support each other.

912
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 5: And you know, I even you know, when Shaquille said,

913
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 5: Sharif had, you know, his heart surgery. You know, Kobe

914
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 5: was like the first one to check on him, and

915
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 5: they really had a special bond and they knew it.

916
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: That Lakers team was the last in the NBA to

917
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: three peat. The Shaq Kobe era ended in two thousand

918
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: and four, Shaq traded to the Miami Heat, where he

919
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: would win another title. As Kobe led the Lakers to

920
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: two more championships. Genie gave him a forty eight and

921
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: a half million dollar contract late in his career, coming

922
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,720
Speaker 1: off an Achilles injury. He retired wearing the Bull and Gold,

923
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: dropping a magical sixty points in his final game.

924
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 6: From one last gamer, Ryan are the moves with the

925
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 6: jump berd He fine fifty eight points and the Lakers leave.

926
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 4: I can't believe it's come to an end.

927
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 18: You guys will always be in my heart and I sincerely,

928
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 18: sincerely appreciate it. No words can describe how I phil

929
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 18: about you guys, and uh, thank you, Thank you from

930
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 18: the bottom of my heart.

931
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 4: God, I love you guys, and uh, I love you guys.

932
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 4: What can I say, mambou?

933
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: How gratifying is it for you? Because of the family

934
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: aspect of the Lakers, that Kobe was able to be

935
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: a Laker for his entire career, That's just an incredible

936
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: accomplishment and also rare.

937
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 5: He loved the Lakers so much and I am so

938
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 5: grateful that, you know, he spent his entire career as

939
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 5: a Laker, because he could have easily failed or asked

940
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 5: to be traded. He didn't. He stuck it out for

941
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 5: twenty years, and that we were able to retire his

942
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 5: jerseys and celebrate him so that he would you know,

943
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 5: there was no doubt how much we loved him as

944
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 5: fans and as an organization, and we got that opportunity

945
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 5: to celebrate him and retire both his members, and you know,

946
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 5: I'm grateful that we had that.

947
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: The Lakers remain essentially a family business, from doctor Buss

948
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: to Jeanie to the stars treated Lake family and manifested

949
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: in a tangible way in this year's NBA Draft.

950
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 12: With a fifty fifth pick in the twenty twenty four

951
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 12: NBA Draft, the Los Angeles Lakers select Ronnie James from

952
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 12: the University of Southern California.

953
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: It does always kind of go back to a family.

954
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: You know, you would go into the press conferences afterwards,

955
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: and maybe it's because it was really run by a family.

956
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: You know, you and your dad, your brother there did

957
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: feel like that extended to the players.

958
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 5: You know, I saw it on the other side when

959
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 5: when you know, I dated Phil for fifteen years, and

960
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 5: so when I was his significant other, I learned how

961
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 5: to look at the team through the lens of a coach.

962
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 5: And I remember getting in a fight with him because

963
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 5: he was bringing the team in on Thanksgiving to practice,

964
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 5: and I'm like, why are you doing that? Give them

965
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 5: one day off? And he said, Genie, what I'm trying

966
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 5: to show them by having them practice on Thanksgiving and

967
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 5: they'll have enough time to go home and have their

968
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 5: dinner with their family. But I wanted to. I want

969
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 5: to establish that this is their family as well, and

970
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 5: that's a that's powerful. When a coach can harness that

971
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 5: and create that family dynamic, then then you know you

972
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 5: have something really special.

973
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Speaker 1: The genesis of this podcast was because I wanted to

974
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: tell my father's story as a former commissioner of the

975
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: a BA. And that's something that you and I have

976
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: always gone in common, how inspired we were by our

977
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: dads and how our dads change our lives. When you

978
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: think about your dad today as we sit here, what's

979
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: the first thing that comes to mind?

980
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 5: You know how passionate he was about the Lakers team,

981
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 5: and you know, winning and building something that was his

982
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 5: dream and accomplishing the goal of making the Lakers want

983
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 5: of the most dominant teams in the NBA, because he

984
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 5: felt that there was such a bias with the East

985
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 5: Coast media that teams on the West Coast really didn't

986
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 5: get their due. And you know, he really had something

987
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 5: to prove, and he did it. He proved it. So

988
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 5: he's just really remarkable.

989
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Speaker 1: Next time on NBA DNA, The Doves Dynasty NBA DNA

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Speaker 1: with Hannah Storm is a production of iHeart Podcasts, The

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Speaker 1: NBA and Brainstorm and Productions. The show is written and

992
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: executive produced by me Hannah Storm, along with Julia Weaver

993
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Speaker 1: and Alex French. Our lead producer and showrunner is Julia Weaver.

994
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: Our senior are Peter Kowder, Alex French, and Brandon Reese.

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Speaker 1: Editing and sound design by Kurt Garren and Julia Weaver.

996
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Speaker 1: The show's executive producers are Carmen Belmont, Jason English, Sean

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Speaker 1: ty Tone, Steve Wintraup, and Jason Weikelt