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Speaker 1: Welcome to more better a podcaster. We stop pretending to

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Speaker 1: seventy vrail. That was funny. That really gave me a

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Speaker 3: I like almost loved a word and then it like

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Speaker 3: Red light was originally developed for like healing, I want

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Speaker 1: great being a mother. What are we talking about today? Melissa?

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Speaker 3: Oh, we're talking about a word that we both don't love, networking.

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Speaker 1: like because it is a question we get asked a lot,

443
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: like what I mean doing lately? Yeah, it's like I

444
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 1: don't want to like laundry list it, but.

445
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 3: I literally like, now think of that question before I

446
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 3: go to any Yeah, whereas I never used.

447
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 2: To, and then I get like stupidly caught off And

448
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 2: I'd be like, why am I caught off?

449
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: Garden for that mask? Every time? Practice? That's on practice, right,

450
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 1: Like what do they say?

451
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: Like a wise man learns from other people's mistakes, and

452
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 2: like a smart person learns from their own mistakes, right,

453
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: a fool never learns?

454
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know that phrase. I think I paraphrased it,

455
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: but it's like it's it's like that right, Like Okay,

456
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 1: I felt dumb last time that this happened, and I

457
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: didn't know what to say or whatever, or like, oh,

458
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: why did I sell myself short? And then I listened

459
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,719
Speaker 1: to that person talk about the indie movie that they

460
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: did for like ten minutes and it was really interesting,

461
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: Like why did I, Yeah, why didn't I talk about

462
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,959
Speaker 1: the thing that I did that I'm proud of, you know, Like,

463
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: and that's the thing.

464
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 2: Also, like what employers and collaborators are looking for too,

465
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: is confidence, Like yeah, are looking for that.

466
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: They don't want to have to and sometimes you have

467
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: to fake it till you make it all of you. Right.

468
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 2: They want to be able to say like are you

469
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: you know? I don't want to. I wouldn't want to

470
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: hire someone that was like I don't really know if

471
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm capable. I'd be like, yeah, well there's like fifteen

472
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 2: other people that will straight up be like I am capable,

473
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 2: And then you have to weed out like who's over confident?

474
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: In a total daker? Yeah? Right?

475
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 3: Like I also have gotten better, which I think is

476
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 3: important of telling people that I'm like a fan of

477
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 3: their work. I don't know why I always felt awkward

478
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 3: about it.

479
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: I don't say it, you don't no, I say you

480
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,719
Speaker 2: want to hear what I say. Yeah, I have so

481
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: much respect for what you do. I'm I really respect

482
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 2: your like how you work and the choices you've made

483
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 2: in your career and your performances.

484
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's different than being like, I'm such a band.

485
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I think yeah yeah, yeah,

486
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: I think I.

487
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 3: Say a version of what you said. But I you

488
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: should not say anything at all.

489
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's just rude. And that's fucking rude.

490
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: That's because I was trying to like cool or or

491
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, or I felt like maybe it made

492
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: because it makes me uncomfortable sometimes, like made people uncomfortable

493
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 2: to like gush over them or something.

494
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: But one of the first times.

495
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Speaker 3: That I I did was with Phil Augusta Jackson. Oh yeah,

496
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 3: he was a writer on Brooklyn and he created Grand

497
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: Crew and he's a really really hilarious, brilliant writer and uh.

498
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 2: He also like breaks like he's also very good looking.

499
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 2: Also very good looking. Yes, Phil, you a hottie.

500
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 3: And so he was doing this like screening of some

501
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 3: because he also writes music, like music videos he makes

502
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 3: he made or whatever, and so I went and we

503
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: didn't know each other that well at that point, and

504
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 3: I was like so nervous to say it, but I

505
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: was like, fuck it, I'm just gonna tell her, like

506
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 3: I love what he does, you know, And I just said,

507
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 3: like I like a version of that of like I

508
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 3: really respect that you like challenge yourself in all these

509
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: different ways and you do music and you do comedy,

510
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 3: and like, I think you're just such a great writer.

511
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: And then I said, any if you ever need an

512
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 3: actor like I.

513
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: Will I'll be there.

514
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: Ye like I'll friggin dance in the back of a

515
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 3: video like I don't care, Like I'm not.

516
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: A literally video dance girl. Yeah, like like I'll be

517
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: a music video dance girl. I'll just you know.

518
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: And and then he was like wait really and I

519
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 3: was like yeah, man, Like I just I love everything

520
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 3: that you do and I'm a fan.

521
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: Like and then he was like, I've got this short film.

522
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 3: I would love for you to be in it, like literally,

523
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 3: like in the next breath that like we gave him

524
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 3: that to each other. Yes, Like I feel like I

525
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: was nervous to compliment him. He was nervous to like

526
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: ask me.

527
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: To be in a thing.

528
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: And then we just kind of broke the ice by

529
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 2: like respectfully gushing over each other a.

530
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: Bit, and then it just opened. And then like that

531
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 3: was the beginning of our like long collaborative relationship, you know.

532
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 3: And and to this day again, like going back to

533
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 3: what I was saying about, like fostering relationships, that was

534
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: one that I would always I don't. I try not

535
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 3: to let too much time go by without me just

536
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 3: like reaching out, reaching out, like kay, how are you doing?

537
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: Like you know, because I do love his work. I

538
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 3: love working with him, I love collaborating about him. And

539
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 3: it's not that I'm worried that like he's going to

540
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: forget about me or something, but I just like genuinely

541
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 3: love him as a person and as a creative and

542
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: I don't want you know, there's so many we work

543
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: with so many people in this industry, and things just

544
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: fall by the wayside. Yeah, and I And it's not

545
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: like being out of any malice or bad energy.

546
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: You're bad jus.

547
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just like an assistant asked another assistant if

548
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 2: somebody was free, right, and the assistant looked on a

549
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 2: big calendar and was like, it says, she's not free.

550
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you've been wrapped for three weeks. Yes, Yeah, just

551
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: twiddling your thumb.

552
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: Just no, we're not in that movie because nobody thought

553
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 2: to talk to each other and like right, and so

554
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: for the people like that that I feel connected to,

555
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: I do think that's one thing I've been always good

556
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: at is just like, oh.

557
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: I haven't like talked to something, let me just drop

558
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: them a line.

559
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 5: You know.

560
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's somebody I only have their email, you know,

561
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, hey, just you popped.

562
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: In my head, like ye be like to pushy either, no,

563
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: to be like the other side of that as well.

564
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: You can't hit like four emails right Like it's like

565
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: if you talked at a party, means have gone by,

566
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: or it's like I, you know, it's my.

567
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: Yearly reach out, Hey how are you doing.

568
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: And there was this one producer that I had a

569
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: general with when I was first starting out, and we

570
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 3: just like hit it off and we literally would get

571
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 3: coffee once a year. We never found anything to like

572
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: work on together, but we just like, like I thought

573
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 3: he was really smart. I won't asking questions about producing

574
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: and like and you just never know. And I think

575
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: he had the same alex. He was like you never know,

576
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 3: like maybe we'll find you know, and you'd always ask

577
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 3: me like.

578
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: Do you have anything to pitch me, and I'd be like,

579
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

580
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: My brain's uck, like don't like you know, or I mean, okay,

581
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: once in a but anyway, but that's good.

582
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: That's really good to know. But it was just like

583
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: once a year we'd get coffee. I'm really not good

584
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: at that, and that is very inspiring because I always

585
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: feel like I'm gonna bother somebody or like i feel

586
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: kind of weird, or then I get like, nine times

587
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: out of ten.

588
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 3: The other person is like, oh my god, like you're

589
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 3: around next week, let's get coffee.

590
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 1: Like I always materializes nine times out of ten.

591
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: I should try that because and then like the tenth

592
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: person is probably one that like you sort of just

593
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: let like flitteral Yeah.

594
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the spark is gone or the connection has

595
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: weighed or whatever, but like for the.

596
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: People that you know, yeah, you keep it alive. Yeah.

597
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking of the director that I worked with

598
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: in London who had loved Matthew and I thought he

599
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: was just so brilliant. But I haven't spoken to him

600
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: in like a really long time.

601
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: But I should just hit him up and be like, hey,

602
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: let's see Oasis and I know you love them. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

603
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: let me know when you're in town next time. Yeah yeah,

604
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: because I do love him. I think he's yeah, and

605
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: then he probably will, you know what I mean, And

606
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: like next time, gos La would be like.

607
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: Oh it is still so weird. I'm always like I

608
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: don't know, parties, I'm fine, but it's like the hitting,

609
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: it's the follow up that I have.

610
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: Follow up. Yeah, it's that's good to hear that, Like

611
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: nobody really cares about Well, it's like you're not doing

612
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: it for everyone, you know what I mean.

613
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: And it's like I think it's okay to be selective

614
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: about who you're doing it with and the reasons why.

615
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: And people can feel when it's fake or opportunistic any that,

616
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: and you know, and and listen.

617
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes there might be a swilling and a miss. Sometimes

618
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: you might totally be like I totally connected with this person.

619
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: We were vibing, like we're creatively and they don't hear back,

620
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: and you don't hear back, or their response is like weirdly.

621
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: Lukewarm, and you're like, okay, maybe not this one, you

622
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, just move it along. The

623
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: move Parties that that's easier for me.

624
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: Like if I we've talked about this before too, when

625
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: someone's like looking around and I'm like, oh, no, are

626
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 2: they not interested in this conversation? I used to get

627
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: sort of caught up in that, and now I'm like,

628
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: they have like fifty people to talk to to that. Yeah,

629
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: like there's a bunch of people that are here that

630
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: want to talk to them.

631
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: They know it, Yeah, I know it.

632
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: I also don't want to manipulate or like hould them up.

633
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

634
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah you're talking about it if you're tagging it

635
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: to somebody like famous, Yeah, Like.

636
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to be you know, like of course

637
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: I'm like excited about this conversation or whatever, but I

638
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: also don't want to like hold you hostage. Yeah, And

639
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: like if you're looking around the room, that's the time.

640
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: To do the like it was so great. Yeah, I'm

641
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: gonna go get into it. I'm gonna get a drink

642
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: yeah and do the quick exit. Yeah. Yeah, that's easier

643
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: for me.

644
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: I feel like we hit a lot of like very

645
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: I want to touch on the boys club version of

646
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: networking really quickly, which is like the old boys club right,

647
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: like which I meant i'd like slightly touched on it earlier,

648
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: which is like when there's a bunch of confident people

649
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: and like any of those maybe could do the job,

650
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: and like, oh, I know them and I like them,

651
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: but some of them are not qualified, right, And that's

652
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: where like that boys club mentality gets in the way,

653
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna hire my friends. I'm gonna hire like

654
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: my good old boys that I know, like my buds,

655
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: right yeah, because then you have the way your eyes

656
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 2: are rolling into your head right now. I just like

657
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: I have experienced so many times where I'm like, this

658
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: person is so underqualified for this job that they have

659
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: I know ten women that could do this way better

660
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: than this person, and I know the only reason they

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Speaker 2: were hired is because they're friends with that guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's the only reason. Yeah, And it sucks

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Speaker 1: and like and you know, it's hard because for example,

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Speaker 1: let's use like our industry, right, like a writer's room

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Speaker 1: or casting. It's like, well, who do I know and

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Speaker 1: that like can trust.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we'll enjoy being around on set, right, Like yeah,

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Speaker 2: like maybe I'm gonna hire these writers because they came

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Speaker 2: from the same school that I came from, or they

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Speaker 2: did like the same comedy group thing that I did,

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Speaker 2: and so I know them and I like them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a lot of UCB writers on Brooklyn,

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Speaker 3: and all of them were referred by other writers that

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Speaker 3: were already on our show.

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Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, amazing, right, But where you get

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Speaker 2: into trouble with that kind of stuff is like when

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Speaker 2: you're just and this is more I think, like for

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Speaker 2: the corporate world, but also our world is corporate too.

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Speaker 2: It's like when you're hiring someone that literally is just

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Speaker 2: somebody's kid. Like, Okay, So my cousin just did a

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Speaker 2: internship at a big, big agency, okay, and I helped

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Speaker 2: her with like questions that they might ask her. She like,

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Speaker 2: just she wants to be a producer and like I

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Speaker 2: like we talked about and stuff like beforehand.

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Speaker 1: She got the internship and she was so excited. Got

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Speaker 1: a great review, like glowing review, amazing. I think they

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Speaker 1: might want her back to be an actual assistant. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So she's still in college and I'm so proud of her.

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Speaker 2: I think she's amazing, and uh, she told me that

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Speaker 2: when she was at the internship, everyone was like, so

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Speaker 2: who's your Like, who's your Oh, who's your connect who's

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Speaker 2: your because all the interns are connected.

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Speaker 1: Literally every other intern, either their parent.

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Speaker 2: Of the agency or their actual parent was an agent.

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Speaker 1: Like she's the only one that like didn't have an inn.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, she did have an inn because like I ran

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Speaker 2: in the industry and I knew, like what is agent ying?

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Speaker 1: What an agent's do? How what do you do? I'm

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Speaker 1: the desk?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so like it can be really hard if

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Speaker 2: you don't have connects, if you don't have any connections

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Speaker 2: at all, you have to milk. And I think I

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Speaker 2: think Sydney is my cousin's name. I think she's like

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Speaker 2: got such a good head on her shoulders because like

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Speaker 2: one of the things that she's not afraid to do

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Speaker 2: is ask.

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Speaker 1: Like she called me and was like, can you talk

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Speaker 1: to me about Like it's okay if you don't want to,

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Speaker 1: but like, can you talk to me about Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: what confidence? What's that? Like? Quiet? Confidence? What agent did? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Like and I was like, absolutely, I'll talk to you

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Speaker 2: about it, like thirty minute conversation one hundred percent. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: But she wouldn't have been ready for that interview if

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Speaker 2: we didn't have that conversation. Yeah, And obviously I'm going

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Speaker 2: to help her as much as I can, like, because

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Speaker 2: it's a doggy dog out there people. It's like cinematographer's

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Speaker 2: you know, frigging grandkid.

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Speaker 1: That's like at the desk next to her.

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Speaker 2: Nerd time, the nerd time, nerd time, nerd time. To

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Speaker 2: your point, this is in our nerd time. And I

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Speaker 2: was kind of blown away by this percentage.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I can't worry. This is from a twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: NBC work article. Okay, and.

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Speaker 2: How to get a job often comes down to one

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Speaker 2: elite personal asset and many people don't realize it. Research

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Speaker 2: shows that seventy percent of all jobs are not published

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Speaker 2: publicly on job sites, and as much as eighty percent

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Speaker 2: of jobs are filled through personal and professional connection.

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Speaker 1: Real it's like I knew that it happened.

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Speaker 3: And we all talk about like nepotism, nepo baby, like

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Speaker 3: that's been you know, in the cultural conversation a lot

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Speaker 3: in the last few years, But I did not that

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Speaker 3: high percentage like blew me away that it's all and

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Speaker 3: it's not just our industry, Like this is not about Hollywood,

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Speaker 3: these statistics, this is and that's.

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Speaker 2: Seventy percent of all jobs are not published publicly. That's

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Speaker 2: pretty gnarly. That's pretty gnarly.

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Speaker 3: That's why you're always seeing people be like, hey, uh,

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Speaker 3: can you you know, do you know if your company

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Speaker 3: is hiring, do you know if there's any open slots?

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Speaker 3: Like you can't just rely on LinkedIn or really huge

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Speaker 3: job site, you really can't. It's all about these like connections,

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Speaker 3: and so it's about yeah, presenting like the best version

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Speaker 3: of yourself at work parties or whenever you can. And

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Speaker 3: then I guess also like, yeah, fostering.

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Speaker 2: These listering relationship, fostering relations and shit, that's what I

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Speaker 2: prefer to call.

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Speaker 1: Networking. That's I think. That's my takeaway.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, it is, like I think I just need to

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Speaker 2: think about it, reframe it for myself as like fostering relationships.

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Speaker 2: And also my takeaway is don't be afraid of the

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Speaker 2: follow up. It might not work and that's okay, and

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Speaker 2: that's what you never know unless you try.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you just like let it go.

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Speaker 3: I think my takeaway is I love what you were

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Speaker 3: saying about like being confident enough to ask questions, because

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Speaker 3: I definitely struggle with that sometimes.

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Speaker 1: I think Sidney gave me that one.

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Speaker 3: She's twenty one confidence man, and and then I mean.

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Speaker 2: You have all the great like work party tips that

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Speaker 2: I'm going to try to get more better.

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Speaker 1: At more Better. Do you feel a little more better?

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Speaker 1: I do. I do feel a little more better about this.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we talked about it me too. It is

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Speaker 1: a good one to talk about. H Thanks Katie, Thanks Katty,

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Speaker 1: Bye bye, More and More Better. Do you have something

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Speaker 1: to have to talk about in a future episode?

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