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Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and

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Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the

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Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history.

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Speaker 2: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall Fame,

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Speaker 2: Mike Gravel.

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Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments

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Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight.

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Speaker 3: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian

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Speaker 3: coy Or. Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard,

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Speaker 3: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison.

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Speaker 4: Good to be home, Good to see you guys.

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Speaker 3: Good morning coaching, A good hung in there yesterday. Chance

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Speaker 3: to win that game at the.

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Speaker 5: End, yeah, you know, I would say overall thought, the

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Speaker 5: wanted to play. The execution started to waiver a little

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Speaker 5: bit in critical situations, but when you look at the

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Speaker 5: two to one as far as time of possession, you know,

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Speaker 5: they went out there and tried to do the right thing,

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Speaker 5: and unfortunately we didn't walk away with the win.

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Speaker 6: Sure ed I would imagine the one thing that has

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Speaker 6: to be very difficult as a head coach is always

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Speaker 6: the second question, and maybe the next day you're able

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Speaker 6: to look and say, all right, well things differently. My

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Speaker 6: question is not about the field goal, the penalty at

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Speaker 6: the end on the punt. When you guys elected to

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Speaker 6: the ten yard line, why wouldn't you decline and have

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Speaker 6: field position. Could you take me a little bit through

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Speaker 6: your mindset.

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Speaker 5: No, it's a great question. I would say, just how

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Speaker 5: And so decided to take the yards?

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Speaker 3: Why not kick the field goal? Which one early in

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, there are multiple reasons. As we go

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Speaker 5: through the game. I'm sure we'll talk about some of

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Speaker 5: the other decisions that I made during the game. It's

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Speaker 5: easy to say, you know, why didn't you do this,

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Speaker 5: why didn't you do that? But I would say, ultimately,

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Speaker 5: like I have to make those decisions. And look, when

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Speaker 5: I was a player, there were oftentimes decisions made where

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Speaker 5: there were oftentimes that I wish the decision.

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Speaker 4: With the other way.

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Speaker 5: And as a head coach, you actually have to make

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Speaker 7: Drake's decision making was pretty good in this one. But

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Speaker 7: that interception at the end, he said he and Pop

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Speaker 7: Douglas were on different pages. Sure, is that just Drake

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Speaker 5: we're both going through this together. When I say we,

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Speaker 5: He's a rookie player and we're going to learn through

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Speaker 2: Gerron, I would just ask about the not the field

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Speaker 5: We're always trying to win the football game, and I'm

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Speaker 2: But doesn't it show more of a belief either and

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Speaker 5: I have nothing but confidence and our coaches. I have

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Speaker 3: Speaking of confidence, Kendrick Born sat last week, looked like

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Speaker 6: Gerd one of the things we kind of talked about

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not going to get into you know, the

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Speaker 5: and that's the gain. But seriously, like that's the game

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Speaker 7: of him or what was off.

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Speaker 4: For him yesterday?

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Speaker 5: Well, John Jones is one of our best leaders in

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Speaker 5: You know, when I started coaching in twenty nineteen, you know,

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Speaker 3: So is that a situation like you you know, and

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Speaker 3: again we're watching the game, we're not there, so your

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Speaker 5: part of the maturation process too for a guy like Polk.

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Speaker 5: Want them to like like those helmet Now, I'm asking, like,

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Speaker 3: Of I feel like I feel like he's been And

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Speaker 5: So I would say, from a team wide perspective, it's

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's been awful. I mean, by and large,

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Speaker 2: If I'm him and I see players getting mad at

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Speaker 4: That's right. No, I agree.

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Speaker 5: I mean what that looks like, it's to the individual.

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Speaker 6: You had a losing record, and guys can tend to

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Speaker 5: These guys are present, and I tell them all the time, look,

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Speaker 7: Giving it there all though, you watch that game yesterday

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Speaker 7: and there were a lot of mistackles, and as a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean that speaks differently than where he

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Speaker 5: just he sees the effort. You don't see the effort.

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Speaker 6: So how do you try to work on the technique

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Speaker 3: wiggy because he's a broken record on this. How much

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Speaker 3: There were some reports this week that the organization was

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Speaker 5: Is that Yet we sit here and say he's developing

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Speaker 4: I mean, could we all agree on that? Yeah? All right, So, like,

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Speaker 3: Are false, They're all false.

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Speaker 5: Okay, but to think about it once again, Like it's

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Speaker 5: so when you hear one person all you know, Drake's

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Speaker 5: Like who do you think is responsible for that? It's

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Speaker 4: To be a good football player in this league. That

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Speaker 4: He's looking like he's had it in the right direction. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so calls don't go out. People say the calls

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Speaker 4: Okay, false, Okay, So Mike, Mike should who made the calls?

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Speaker 2: U Albert Breer reported it, and I.

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Speaker 2: So my question to you, Gerond is so Albert Brier

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Speaker 5: We have open lines of communication, We have open lines

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Speaker 2: This is not true, and so was Do you take

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Speaker 5: And you know, going back to the expectations that we're

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Gerald, how you know, how do you manage that?

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