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Speaker 1: I'm a senior writer at Rolling Stone and I cover

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Speaker 4: How long have you been at Rolling Stone Magazine?

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Speaker 4: Pretty great media school at NYU.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I chose it because the Rolling Stone offices

447
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Speaker 1: were in New York. I was really like, I was

448
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Speaker 1: very obsessed. I was ready to.

449
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Speaker 4: You were strategically obsessed.

450
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw the address.

451
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, it's not San Francisco anymore, and

452
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Speaker 1: I have to look at school in New York.

453
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Speaker 2: So I applied to a lot of schools on the

454
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Speaker 2: East Coast.

455
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Speaker 3: So let's talk about the Rolling Stone five hundred Greatest

456
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Speaker 3: Songs podcast. First of all, how does that list get created?

457
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Speaker 3: And this is the twenty twenty one list that is

458
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Speaker 3: being referred to, correct.

459
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So the both lists were made, with the

460
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Speaker 1: original two thousand four lists and the twenty twenty one list.

461
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Speaker 2: We're both made through a vote.

462
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Speaker 1: So it's a vote tabulated from obviously people who work

463
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Speaker 1: at Rolling Stone, but also a lot of other journalists

464
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: and writers, you know, industry figures, musicians, and you know,

465
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Speaker 1: it's a combination of people who work in music.

466
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Speaker 2: Who are voting on this.

467
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Speaker 1: So it's tabulated from just you know, hundreds of voters.

468
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Speaker 3: And each episode you walk through a particular focal point

469
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Speaker 3: off of that five hundred Greatest Songs list in no

470
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Speaker 3: particular order.

471
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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean basically, Rob and I just

472
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Speaker 1: kind of looked through the list when we were sort

473
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Speaker 1: of brainstorming the pods. What it would sound like what

474
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 1: it would what we wanted it to be. You just

475
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: kind of picked a bunch of songs that we really loved,

476
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: you know, like we picked like fifty songs from the list.

477
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: So we don't really want to do it, you know,

478
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: like go in chronological order, like you kind of just

479
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: like it just feels like we're going to miss a

480
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: lot of stuff because there's so much.

481
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Speaker 2: There's five hundred songs.

482
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Speaker 1: We don't know if we're going to do five hundred episodes,

483
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: it's a lot of songs to clear, but you know,

484
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: we're trying to get through as many as possible and

485
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: as many that you know, we feel passionately about. So yeah,

486
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Speaker 1: we just kind of put together a list of songs that, like,

487
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: I think especially for Robin Hu, you are like what.

488
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Speaker 2: Are songs that we talk about all the time, and.

489
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Speaker 1: Like what's what are songs that like he and I

490
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Speaker 1: have done a karaoke and like, you know, have had

491
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Speaker 1: conversations about and artists that we love or artists that

492
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Speaker 1: maybe we just are not writing about as much.

493
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Speaker 2: That we kind of just like want to talk about

494
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Speaker 2: and get into.

495
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Speaker 1: So it was fun to just kind of randomly pick

496
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Speaker 1: songs that we were passionate about and went from there.

497
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Speaker 1: So so, yeah, I was kind of a random, random

498
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Speaker 1: assortment of things that we were really excited to talk

499
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Speaker 1: I like the.

500
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Speaker 3: One that you did that sort of did the deep

501
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 3: dive into hound Dog, Yeah, and talk about that and

502
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Speaker 3: how you've focused on Big Mama Thornton and all that.

503
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was so.

504
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Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like I said, like a lot of

505
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: the songs were just us choosing things that we really loved,

506
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: but there was a lot of songs that we chose

507
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Speaker 1: that had sort of a significance in how different the

508
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Speaker 1: two lists were.

509
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Speaker 2: So for that one, it was kind.

510
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Speaker 1: Of the debut of Big Mama Thornton's version of hound

511
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: Dog on the list was a big deal versus the

512
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: Elvis Presley version, and we thought that'd be really great

513
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: to talk about and to discuss just because that signified

514
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Speaker 1: a law of changes in Elvis's legacy at the time

515
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: that the list happened. But also, of course the biopic

516
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: on Elvis came out in the time since, and so

517
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: that was a kind of like an interesting thing to

518
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: sort of ponder about what the list would look like

519
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: in the future because of this new interest from younger fans,

520
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: but also kind of the way that the story of

521
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: Nigbama Thornton and this song has been highlighted over the

522
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: years was something that we really wanted to touch on

523
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Speaker 1: in the process of making the episode, so that one

524
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Speaker 1: was one where we knew that it was a great

525
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Speaker 1: way to talk about both lists and sort of the

526
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Speaker 1: time and place, because I think that's so fascinating about

527
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Speaker 1: each of the list, about kind of what changes in

528
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Speaker 1: kind of cultural significance and what we sort of how

529
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: the canon shifts over such a quick period, and that's

530
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Speaker 1: entirely based on who the voters are and of you know,

531
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Speaker 1: when you get a new batch of voters, you know

532
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Speaker 1: a lot of obviously, you know, I was not voting

533
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Speaker 1: in the first list, so it's you know, you have

534
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Speaker 1: a lot of voters who are around my age who

535
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Speaker 1: are voting for the first time, and the twenty twenty

536
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Speaker 1: one list, we're going to have a new batch of

537
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Speaker 1: voters in the next list. Like, it's kind of interesting

538
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: and fun to kind of think about how that kind

539
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Speaker 1: of shifts and what matters to different generations.

540
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Speaker 3: You know, we had done this podcast a guy named

541
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Speaker 3: Charles lockwadera who used to work for me years ago

542
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Speaker 3: on a radio station I programmed in Boston, WZLX, and

543
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Speaker 3: Charles before coming to ZLX, worked at this iconic rock

544
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Speaker 3: station in Boston, WBCN, And I.

545
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Speaker 4: Remember he told me the story that.

546
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Speaker 3: He was walking down the halls at BCN one time

547
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Speaker 3: and he was whistling and Big Mama Thornton happened to

548
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Speaker 3: be in the radio station and she told him stop whistling.

549
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Speaker 3: Just the visual of that, if you knew Charles, it's

550
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Speaker 3: funny enough. A guy, a powerful personality being put in

551
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Speaker 3: his place by a legend.

552
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Speaker 4: I just love it. I love it.

553
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Speaker 5: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a

554
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Speaker 5: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast.

555
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Speaker 3: So I don't want to play the role of Rob

556
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: Sheffield here, but I thought maybe we could walk through

557
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: counting down from number ten to number one on the

558
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Speaker 3: list and kind of get your take on some of

559
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Speaker 3: these here and give people a flavor of what they

560
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Speaker 3: would experience in your great podcast, Rolling Stones five hundred

561
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 3: Greatest Songs of all Time? You gained for that, yeah,

562
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: of course, Okay, so I'll do like the big drum

563
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: roll number ten outcast.

564
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Speaker 2: Hey, y'ah, Yeah, I mean, this is, in my opinion,

565
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: one of the best pop singles and I think one

566
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Speaker 2: of the sort of the highlights of the early two thousands.

567
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Speaker 1: I feel like this was a song that really defined

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Speaker 1: an entire sort of period of pop and rap music.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I was really excited to kind of

570
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Speaker 1: see it and rank so high. There's a lot of

571
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: there's a several songs about outcasts on a list, but

572
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: obviously this song kind of broke through a lot the

573
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Speaker 1: noise in the two thousands and made such a big

574
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Speaker 1: impact on a lot of younger artists, but also just

575
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: like on this entire period of music, and it makes

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Speaker 1: a lot of sense that it cracked the top ten.

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Speaker 3: And I defy when you hear that song, if you're

578
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Speaker 3: in a bad mood and then you hear it, you

579
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: can't be in a bad mood anymore.

580
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: You really cannot.

581
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Speaker 1: If you hear it, shake it like a polarid picture

582
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: and you don't smile. That's like blasphemy exactly.

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Speaker 4: Okay. Number nine Fleetwood Mac Dreams.

584
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this was the pilot of the podcast

585
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: Rob and I we need to talk about this song.

586
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: This song did not make it to the first list.

587
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: This was actually a debut from Dreams on the twenty

588
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: twenty one list, and again it's you know, so much

589
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: so interesting to think about what Fleetwood Math has done

590
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: over the last I guess like decade without even trying

591
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: in terms of becoming even more popular. You know, I

592
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: opened my TikTok and like it's constantly like Fleetwood Mac

593
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: songs and teenagers talking about Stevie Nicks are trying to

594
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: dress like her, and you know it's just like so

595
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: crazy and cool as someone who's love Flutwood Mac for

596
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: a very long time to kind of see them get

597
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: more popular as theaters go by, and especially Stevie Nicks,

598
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: Like people are just so fascinated by her, and she's

599
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: someone who's just you know, like we were talking about

600
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift earlier, like she's just someone who she is.

601
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: She is herself, Like she is just like being who

602
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: she is as an artist, and she's been that way

603
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: her entire career without doing a bunch of like crazy

604
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: kind of changes and shifts to her identity. Like she

605
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: is just she is Stevie Nicks, and that is classic, legendary,

606
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: like timeless in and of itself. And this song is

607
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: just I mean lyrically beautiful. I mean, Lindsay's guitar on

608
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: it is just like so hypnotic, so smooth.

609
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: It's such a.

610
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: Great kind of like breezy song, and I just I'm

611
00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: addicted to it.

612
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: I was just at the Rock Hall of Fame we

613
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: recorded a little walk through their episode and saw Stevie

614
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: Nix's or one of her dresses on display there.

615
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was imagining that, I'm like, man, she

616
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 4: probably would still wear that dress today.

617
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: She definitely would.

618
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Speaker 1: You know. She still comes out with like shawls from

619
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Speaker 1: the you know, seventies and eighties and brings them on

620
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: stage and it's like, this is the shawl I wore

621
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: on the Rumor's Tour, you know, like she just has them. Yeah,

622
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: I mean she's really she is who she is. I

623
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: was like, so she is so authentic to who she's

624
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Speaker 1: been because that's just her and it works.

625
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Speaker 3: Number eight Missy Elliott Get your Freak Gone.

626
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Speaker 2: This is another really really fun episode that Rob and

627
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Speaker 2: I recorded. I mean, you know, there's.

628
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Speaker 1: It could have been really any Missy Elliott song in

629
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Speaker 1: the top ten. I think she is like one of

630
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: the most forward thinking artists of the last you know,

631
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: thirty years, Like she is so inventive with her music videos,

632
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: with her production, with her wrap flow, like she made

633
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: so many she has made like so many incredibly massive

634
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: hits by being the weirdest person on the charts at

635
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: all times. Like, you know, I think this is a

636
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: really great example of like her and Timbaland's chemistry. This

637
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: is like such a great you know, there's this all

638
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: these like kind of like world music elements to how

639
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: it was made, and I mean just you know, it's

640
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: that mix of she's such a great kind of like poppy,

641
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, really great. She loves with like dance music,

642
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, but also is just a genuinely incredible MC.

643
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: You know, I think, like deeply underrated in her own

644
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: sort of obviously kind of the inventiveness of hers.

645
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: The biggest part of the conversation was.

646
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: The Elliott but like her flow and her rapping is

647
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: just like unparalleled, unmatched.

648
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Speaker 4: Number seven The Beatles Strawberry Fields.

649
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I again, like it's always I'm with

650
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: the voters and like kind of what happens, Like it's

651
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: like so fascinating that this is the Beatles song. I'm

652
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 1: curiously you know, Rob and I talk about this all

653
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: the time where it's like even three years later, would

654
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: this still be the Beatles song that everyone would vote for?

655
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: Because it could change at any time. It could be

656
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: any any Beatle song kind of is changing in popularity,

657
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: and you know, influence and impact even just in what

658
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: you hear on the radio constantly. And I mean this

659
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: is this was not the Beatles song I voted for.

660
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: But I do love this song. I think I love

661
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 1: sort of all the like psychedelic influence on them, and

662
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, I think this is you know, it's always

663
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: kind of fascinating to kind of see, especially with artists

664
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Speaker 1: like Beatles or Bob Dylan or The Stones who kind

665
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: of have all these like massively influential hips, what sort

666
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: of rises up in each of these kind of voting periods.

667
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 4: Which Beatles song did you vote for?

668
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: So I've had to put drive my Car because I

669
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: love RUBBERSA and I think that was like a perfect

670
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: song and I think it's so good.

671
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: So that was the one that I had put on

672
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: my list.

673
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 4: Ever interview a Beatle, No, I think.

674
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: I would actually be too nervous. I think like there'd

675
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: be people like I don't really get starstruck anymore. But

676
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: I genuinely, when I saw Paul McCartney live, like that

677
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: was like an out of body experience, just because I

678
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: was like, I can't believe I'm here. It's just like

679
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: it felt like it just felt like insane that he

680
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: exists and that I got to see him live at

681
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: any point in my life.

682
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know. I think I'd be way

683
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: too too neervous.

684
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: To do it. I get it. Number six, Marvin Gaye

685
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 4: What's going On?

686
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Marvin gay topped the album's list. I

687
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: actually am surprised that the song didn't go a little

688
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: bit higher on the list because this album was number

689
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: one on the most recent Boat of the Black Puncher

690
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: Greatest Albums. But I mean, this song has had sort

691
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: of this kind of like timeless meaning to it. I mean,

692
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: still as prescient and urgent now as it was when

693
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: it first came out. And you know, again, just I mean,

694
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: Marvin gay I think, is someone who is, like, has

695
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: proven to be one of the most endurant artists of

696
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: all times, someone who's kind of generationally kind of defies

697
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: any sort of generational odds with that, And so I

698
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: think this song, Yeah, again, I was surprised that didn't

699
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: actually kind of go to the top thirty on this

700
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: list because of the album list. But you know, I think,

701
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: especially again thinking about the timing of the voting, like

702
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: this was at a time sort of the vote happened

703
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: shortly after a lot of the Black Lives Matter protests,

704
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: Like I think this song was weighing really heavy on

705
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people's minds at that time as well.

706
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 4: Number five Nirvana smells like teen.

707
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: Spirit, you know, another one where it's like this song

708
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: is always going to be in I think the top

709
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: five or top ten, like Nirvana was actually talking of

710
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: the about this with the colleague recently. There are still

711
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: so many teens and pre teens who just find themselves

712
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: drawn to this song and to Kurt Cobain into Nirvana,

713
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: like that will keep happening. It's like basically a puberty

714
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: rite of passage at this point that you have to

715
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: become a Nirvana fan when you're you know, eleven, twelve

716
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: and then just kind of carry that for the rest

717
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: of your kind of light probably, but also just your

718
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: adolescence definitely. And this song is, you know, such a

719
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: defining moment for an entire decade and for an entire generation.

720
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: But has continued to be.

721
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: Kind of this massive touchstone for anyone exploring that and too,

722
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think every again, like every teenager kind

723
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: of finds themselves drawn to Nirvana at some point, I

724
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: did like still.

725
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 3: A number four Bob Dylan like a rolling stone.

726
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, like this is a song that

727
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I'm always kind of surprised that

728
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: this is still like the Bob Dylan song that people

729
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: still kind of really love and or job. I mean,

730
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: there's just again, like there's so many, there's so many

731
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: great songs and go to, but you know, the song

732
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: it's like one of his like poppier songs, is even

733
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: like kind of like one of the just like that

734
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: kind of classic Bob Dylan moment, and you know it's

735
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: a song then again, will I think will always be

736
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: in the top ten of the list. I think people

737
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: will always buy themselves voting for this because it's such

738
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: like a feed of songwriting, of his musicianship, of this

739
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: like shift.

740
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: In his own career and his own identity as an artist.

741
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that this will this will

742
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: always be kind of a top build song for for

743
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: future lists.

744
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 4: Any chance you'd ever interview.

745
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know, it seems like it's kind

746
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: of a difficult interview, like you, I don't know.

747
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: I think my interview and style wouldn't measure with him.

748
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 2: I think I'm too like you know.

749
00:36:59,000 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 4: I don't know.

750
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: Maybe he'd be trying by me.

751
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 4: I think he would be. I actually I believe that.

752
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: Did you ever see this Martha Quinn interview that she

753
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 3: did with him back in the mid eighties, I don't

754
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 3: think so. Oh you got to check it out, because

755
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: he's obviously smitten with her. Yeah, so he's a little

756
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: more loose and open, and it's still odd beyond belief.

757
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 4: You know.

758
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: Maybe I would kind of appreciate the oddness. I would

759
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: want him to like buy to me a bunch, you know,

760
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: like I want like one of those like classic Bob Dylan,

761
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: like he's just making up stuff the entire time type

762
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: of interviews.

763
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 4: Right.

764
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned starstruck. I got to share this with

765
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 3: you and with our audience. I had the opportunity to

766
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: be introduced to him at one point, and I was

767
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: massively starstruck, of course, because it was like with ten

768
00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 3: of us, and he made eye contact with us upon

769
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: the introduction and then that was the last eye contact

770
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: we had during our fifteen minutes or whatever that we had,

771
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: you know, backstage before he.

772
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 4: Went on and.

773
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: But he then says at one point, anybody want to

774
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 3: do a shadow whiskey? And and I don't think any

775
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: of us took him up on it, but I didn't.

776
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: And it's one of my only regrets that I really

777
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 3: shared life, because I'll never have that opportunity to do

778
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: that again.

779
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: Take the shot of whiskey from Bob Doyling.

780
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 3: Really, I'm surprised you're not hanging up on me, like saying,

781
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 3: why am I talking to this maroon here?

782
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: Was it before or after he launched the Knock It

783
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: on Heaven's Store?

784
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: Was before oh wow? Yeah?

785
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 3: Before yeah? And then the show that we went to

786
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 3: that that was at that same event.

787
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 4: It was one of those.

788
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: Classic Bob really craps the bed shows, which.

789
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: You know, he said, people of you know, but boy,

790
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: what a what a treasure? My God.

791
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 3: I could go on and on, but I can't because

792
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: we're off the number three Sam Cook, A change is

793
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 3: gonna come.

794
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean this song has I feel

795
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: like has, especially in the last couple of decades, become

796
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: sort of a modern standard. You know, I think this

797
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: is a song that you know, we see a lot

798
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: of artists cover and kind of be drawn to and

799
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: kind of drawn just both in terms of thematically but

800
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: also Sam Cook's incredible voice. But you know, this is

801
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: a song that's become like one of those very very

802
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: timeless kind of musical standards, like this is a song

803
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: that again there's there's several songs and that there's you know,

804
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: half of the top ten. I would say probably will

805
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: continue to stay that way for a very long time

806
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: because those songs are just you know, they are the

807
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: song that people continue to turn to no matter what

808
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: and find themselves drawn to.

809
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: And I think this is this is one of them.

810
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 4: Number two Public Me Fight the Power.

811
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think you know this them as

812
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: as a group, but also this song itself. I was

813
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: very pleasantly surprised to kind of see that voters again

814
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: still very very drawn to Public Enemy, drawn to their messages,

815
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: drawn to this particular song. You know, I think that

816
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: I was. I was really excited to kind of see

817
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: this rank so highly on the list and continue to

818
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: endure for a lot of people, and you know, the

819
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: album would We did an episode on the album as well,

820
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: and that album also ranked I Believe number two as

821
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: well on the album's list. And you know, I think

822
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: those messages, that urgency, that that you know, kind of

823
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: intensity and just I know, their flows and just the

824
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: way they perform is such a major influence on everything

825
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,479
Speaker 1: we hear today, but also just continues to be much

826
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: like What's going On still very prescient in this time

827
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: and era.

828
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: Number one, drum roll Aretha Franklin.

829
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: Respect Yeah, I mean I was, Yeah, I think I

830
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: loved seeing Areada hit number one on this list.

831
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: This is a classic song, so fun.

832
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, imagine not knowing the lyrics to

833
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: the song, you know, like it's like a song that

834
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: you just kind of it's with you your entire life.

835
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: You don't know at what point you've met it, but

836
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: it's been there. It's like an old friend, you know.

837
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: You're just like the song has been by me since

838
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: I was born, you know, And I think for a

839
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: lot of people, it's this This is the type of

840
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: song that much like, hey, if you heard it in

841
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: the wild and you don't smile, that is insane. That

842
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: is it would be crazy to hear the song, you know,

843
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: not immediately start singing along because you know every single

844
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: lyric and every single little like vocal intonation that Averretha

845
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: does and it's like stuck in your brain forever, and

846
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: that is a sign of a great song.

847
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: So let's break down some of the other fun facts. So,

848
00:41:54,440 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 3: most represented artists or music on the list. Oh, yeah,

849
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 3: I know, the Beatles is the is the most represented?

850
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 4: Is that correct? Yes?

851
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: I believe the Beatles are. I know.

852
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 1: We actually just recorded an episode on Beyonce and she's

853
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: the youngest artist. Who's the most represented youngest artists. That's

854
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: why I way to wait say it, but yeah, she's

855
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Beatles and else I think the Stones

856
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: have of David Bowie.

857
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 4: I think it's Beatles, dill In Bowie, Stone.

858
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: Stones, then Prince and Beyonce and Bruce kind of our

859
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: up there.

860
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, the Beatles have twelve songs on the list.

861
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: And you know, again, this is why I think, like

862
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: it'll be fascinating to see in another ten years or whatever,

863
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: the next time we do a big vote on this list,

864
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: what Beatles song is up there? Because I think that

865
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: changes constantly in terms of musical influence because they're one

866
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: of those bands that are still extremely popular that young

867
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: fans are still being drawn to that people. You know,

868
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: if you're picking up a guitar today, you're probably gonna

869
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: learn a Beatles song on it, you know you've picked

870
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: up for the first time, Like that's gonna be one

871
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: of the first, like few songs you want to learn.

872
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: So I'm always kind of curious, like what what shifts

873
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: and what changes and which which songs by a band

874
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: like the Beatles will continue to evolve and be popular

875
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: the next time we do a big.

876
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 4: Goal like this.

877
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 3: How riled up do people get, you know, if they

878
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 3: disagree about you know, somebody not being on a list

879
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: or where they are.

880
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, every every list, people get so so mad. This

881
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: one obviously a lot of intense feelings around the list,

882
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's the conversation around it lasted like like

883
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: so long. I tapped out after a while of reading

884
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: people's takes on it after it dropped. But people, really,

885
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: they love to argue over this stuff, and they always

886
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: have strong feelings and there Sometimes I'll meet people in

887
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, rand parties or at like dinners or things

888
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: like that, and I'll say where I work and they

889
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: immediately are like I didn't like that this song didn't

890
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: make the top ten of the album's or songs list,

891
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't change that. And also what

892
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: was your name again?

893
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 4: I have one bone to pick on the list? Yeah

894
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 4: you want to hear it?

895
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 3: Okay, you might see behind me if you could kind

896
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 3: of squint, there's a picture up on the wall back there.

897
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 4: It's John Prine.

898
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you only have one John Prine on the list,

899
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 3: which I think is number three hundred and fifty Angel

900
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 3: from Montgomery.

901
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 4: Why not more John Prine on the list?

902
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: You know, we got we gotta get the voters. We

903
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: gotta get people.

904
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: You gotta vote in the next one, Like get the.

905
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: John Fine on there.

906
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: I mean, like I think, even like on staff, we

907
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: all have like bones to pick with it. You know,

908
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: like I think that there should be more like pop

909
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: punk songs on the list. I think that there's a

910
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: lot of huge influence that those songs have had, and

911
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: I would like to see more of that represented. You know,

912
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: I think everyone has like their own sort of qualms,

913
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: even in this building.

914
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: I would bet on the next list Beyonce's latest has

915
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: to be on it.

916
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 4: What do you think?

917
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think definitely. I'm really really curious.

918
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: I think she's going to jump up a lot in

919
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: the next vote of it. I think she'll jump up

920
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: a lot. I think taylor'spect will jump up a lot.

921
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: And I'm curious what that's how to look like on

922
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: the on the next vote, because you know, the cannon's

923
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: change and I think you know we're if you're looking

924
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: at especially again, so much of this marks what's influencing

925
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: culture at the moment that it's being voted on. So

926
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: I think those are going to be two artists to

927
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: kind of especially in comparison to the other artists who

928
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of songs on the list. I think

929
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: they're going to be two of the youngest artists to

930
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: have the most songs on the list.

931
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: The next time we do a big vote like this,

932
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: what should take on her Country the album?

933
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm a big fan of it. I

934
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: love country music, I love Beyonce. It's really kind of

935
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: a dream album for me. It's like a really like

936
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: a you know, combination of things that I really enjoy,

937
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: but also like, you know, it's not like a super straightforward.

938
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: Country album, which I like.

939
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of like kind of cowboy Western

940
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: themes to it, a lot of big rock moments, a

941
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: lot of like kind of like Tina Turner esque kind

942
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: of tributes, especially like a song like Yah Yah, which

943
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: I absolutely adore on there, but it's just kind of

944
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: like a bun Southern moment from her, and I'm a

945
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: big fan of it. I've been listening to a NonStop.

946
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 4: Do you think Morgan Wallen would make it on the list?

947
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: You know, I prob maybe, you know, again, like it's

948
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: it depends on when we do the next vote, right,

949
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: like I think, you know, I guess it was nearly

950
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: two decades in between. We did like a sort of

951
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: like refresh in twenty ten of the list without a

952
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: big vote, But you know, if we do it in

953
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: like five years, I guess it depends, like you know,

954
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: if we have putting on who the voters are, depending

955
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: on like who kind of comes in especially, so much

956
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: of that I think ends up being reflected by just

957
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: like the you know, if we have a larger group

958
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: of like gen Z voters, you know, who are like

959
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: maybe five them to be very inspirational to what country

960
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: music sounds like now, then maybe that could happen. But yeah,

961
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm curious kind of what that will look like. You know,

962
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: there's so many artists who have you know, obviously, like

963
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: having a big hit doesn't mean necessarily that you'll get

964
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: on the list or that the impact matters in the

965
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: long run, So it could be very fascinating to kind

966
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: of see what happens with that in five, ten, fifteen,

967
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: or twenty years.

968
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: In closing, we know we live in this divided country,

969
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: and yet we do know one of the things that

970
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: people can agree upon is music.

971
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's your take on that?

972
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think, you know, people, music is

973
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: something that I think everyone has their own kind of

974
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: very intense emotional personal connections to you know, an artist

975
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: or a song or an album. You know, everyone kind

976
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: of has something that they has carried them through a

977
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: specific moment in their life, or through their entire life,

978
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: or through a relationship or a bad day or a

979
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: good day. You know. Like, I think everyone kind of

980
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: has at least one thing, whether it's an artist, song,

981
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: or or genre or whatever, that means the world to them.

982
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's really beautiful.

983
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: And you know, I think I'm.

984
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: Someone who kind of my take on a lot of

985
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: that is like I'm excited when people tell me what

986
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: that is, you know, and I even if it's not

987
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: my thing, you know, I get excited to see how

988
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: people connect with, you know, any sort of form of

989
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: music in their life because it is so personal and

990
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: so fluid and so different for each person, and it's

991
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: really special kind of like how that can shift and

992
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: even just like, you know, even for the same song,

993
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm sure that someone's relationship with you know,

994
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: with like hey y'ah is different from someone else's and

995
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: you have specific memories tied to it, and that's so

996
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: crazy and cool because then you can dance with them

997
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: and kind of each kind of carry your own kind

998
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: of histories with that song. And I think that's such

999
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: a beautiful, beautiful thing. But yeah, I mean it's it's

1000
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 1: it's nice. Yeah, I think it's just such a great

1001
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: connector and even kind of sharing the favorite artists, Like

1002
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: it's so fun to go to concerts and kind of

1003
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: share that moment with you know, hundreds or thousands of

1004
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: people who come from all different walks of life from you,

1005
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: who maybe love you know, Beyonce and are all in

1006
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: the stadium together and having a great time and crying

1007
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: to different moments and dancing to moments and you know,

1008
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: kind of having that weight of all your memories and

1009
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: your life experience kind of be soundtracked by it and

1010
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: it's really special.

1011
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,560
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