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Speaker 2: I got a dumb hypothetical. Anthony Rendon is getting people

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Speaker 2: all agitated in the world of baseball. Do you agree

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Speaker 2: with him or not? We'll get to that. And we're

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Speaker 2: talking some Michaels right now. And the question is this,

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Speaker 2: I have a reason too as to why I'm even

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Speaker 2: thinking about it. I think I think, I think there's

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Speaker 2: an obvious answer, but I would love to hear your

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Speaker 2: argument before I give okay again, berschie Bursch is here

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Speaker 2: stop at Coveno and Rich on social media at Coveno

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Speaker 2: CoV I, you know, at Covino and Rich. Joel's on

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Speaker 2: the Ones and twos Nick Cope Spot. Everybody can chime in.

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Speaker 2: The question is who has, when all said and done,

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Speaker 2: the most cultural impact, Because you could say that all

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Speaker 2: three Michaels of the eighties and nineties were generational phenoms

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Speaker 2: in their field, right, Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan mac tythan.

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Speaker 2: But I think the answer is clear, It really is,

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Speaker 2: and it's debatable, and I'm gonna I'm going to eliminate

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Speaker 2: one of them. And I think we could on which

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Speaker 2: one to eliminate first, and that is maybe the one

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Speaker 2: I'm most intrigued by, and that's Mike Tyson. Okay, I

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Speaker 2: hate to agree with you, but I do. And I'm

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Speaker 2: a boxing fan. I've I've watched all the pay per

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Speaker 2: views as a kid, his acting and the hangover and

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Speaker 2: all the fun stuff. Mike Tyson does even as weed.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we bumped into Mike Tyson in Vegas. He

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Speaker 2: gave me his edible ears that I have to remember.

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Speaker 2: I've had some silly nights thanks to Mike. Still in

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Speaker 2: this conversation, and you could make a debate for him

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Speaker 2: simply on being the most intriguing guy. I think they

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Speaker 2: should replace that do Seki's guy with Mike Tyson. I'm

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Speaker 2: the most interesting man in the faith of the earth.

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Speaker 2: Say thirty faint thirty, my friend. But and think about

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Speaker 2: how invincible we thought he was when we were kids,

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Speaker 2: especially if you played the video game double O seven

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Speaker 2: three seven three five nine six three and actually got

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Speaker 2: to Mike Tyson and fought them. But I'm agreeing with you, Rich,

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Speaker 2: I think we take he's the number three on the lip.

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Speaker 2: We take Mike Tyson out of this conversation and the

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Speaker 2: world ena. However, Thoughevity, is that the problem? Well, I

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Speaker 2: think I think as time goes names, as time goes on.

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Speaker 2: While Mike Tyson's impact in boxing and pop culture will

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Speaker 2: always be there, I just think you're comparing him to

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Speaker 2: two people that legacy may live on for endless generations

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Speaker 2: and and we'll explain. But Mike Tyson to me, until

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Speaker 2: he lost to Buster Douglas, my busted Douglas are the

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Speaker 2: wonderful man. It's like, you know, I'll compare it to

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Speaker 2: only one other, one other fighter, and it's given her

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Speaker 2: a hell of a lot of props. But until Ronda

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Speaker 2: Rowsey got beat, remember thinking, there's no woman that can

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Speaker 2: beat Ronda Rowsey, and then it just fell apart, and

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Speaker 2: then it just fell apart from her. But until Ronne,

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Speaker 2: they're human.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, And but I'm saying, well, you could say this

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Speaker 2: too about Mike Tyson. Rich right, And as long as

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Speaker 2: there there's a Muhammad Ali, he's not the goat. The

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Speaker 2: other two guys are arguably the goat of all goat

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Speaker 2: of what they do. So yeah, Mike Tyson was just impactful.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the guy was a shooting star. I mean

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Speaker 2: we all stopped to watch this dude. He changed our lives.

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Speaker 2: In the nineties, people cared about boxing, every docuseries, every movie.

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Speaker 2: Everything about Mike Tyson is intriguing. Just the other day,

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Speaker 2: you were telling me a story about how one of

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Speaker 2: the reasons Mike Tyson lost to Buster Douglas was that

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Speaker 2: he was partying too hard with Bobby Brown the night

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Speaker 2: before and now Bobby Brown till this day feels bad

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Speaker 2: about it. That's true. Yeah, nobody really heard about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well nobody knew except for Joel because Joel

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Speaker 2: was there. Yeah, it was another Bobby Brown and Mike Tyson.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't Johnny gild there too? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we could go on all day about the

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Speaker 2: impact of Mike Tyson, but I agree take Tyson out

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Speaker 2: of it, which means is down to Michael Jackson and

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. I think though.

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Speaker 4: They loved Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson loved going to

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Speaker 4: a Mike Tyson fight.

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Speaker 2: That's another good one, right, They admired each other in

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Speaker 2: a different way. You're right about this, right, yeah, But

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Speaker 2: they would go. You could see both of them like,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go see Mike Tyson fight, and

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Speaker 2: then Jordan would be there. Hold on. Michael Jordan had

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Speaker 2: his fair share of drama with the sad passing of

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Speaker 2: his father and gambling. You know, there was always that

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Speaker 2: gambling backdrop of like was he secretly suspended for two years?

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Speaker 2: Like social media never hit Michael Jordan because he lived

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Speaker 2: in a different time. The other two people. Mike Tyson

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Speaker 2: went to prison. He had some allegations Mike Tyson. Yes,

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Speaker 2: some would say not the best reputation. And you could

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Speaker 2: say the same about Michael Jackson. I don't know, the

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Speaker 2: whole never Land ranch and the kids and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. So they all have their controversy, saying Michael

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Speaker 2: complex characters. Michael Jordan's the least complex as far as

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Speaker 2: that stuff. No, yeah, yeah, but he also lived in

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Speaker 2: a time of you know, he avoided social media. He

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Speaker 2: would have been criticized in a much different way if

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Speaker 2: he lived in a different time, but he didn't. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: let me give you my Spider Harrison countdown real quick

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Speaker 2: on cultural impact. And again it's a double doozy. There's

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Speaker 2: a reason I'm asking. I haven't even really gotten to

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Speaker 2: the meat of the question yet. But when you think

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Speaker 2: of those three who had the most cultural impact coming

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Speaker 2: in at number three, Mike Tyson, Okay, I could I

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Speaker 2: could agree with you there. I think I think we're

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Speaker 2: going to disagree on one coming in at number two,

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. Not wrong coming in at number one, Michael Jackson. No, yes,

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you why. Yes, Michael Jordan is more of

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Speaker 2: a brand than anything else. I'm talking worldwide, you numbskull, Well,

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Speaker 2: why why your countdown? World? Why your countdown was bumping?

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you Michael Jackson anytime he makes people

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Speaker 2: of all cultures cry. Still till this day, they're dancing

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Speaker 2: to his songs. And then I have another question about

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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson that ties into something current today, So stick

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Speaker 2: around for that. But I'm telling you that's my answer.

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Speaker 2: You could agree or disagree. I'm Steve Covino hashtag Covino's

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Speaker 2: right at Covino and Rich. As much as this is

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, and as much as we talk about

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Speaker 2: Lebron and Jordan, and Jordan is still in the news

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Speaker 2: every day and we rock his kicks all the time.

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Speaker 2: Just this week, we were talking about can you ever

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Speaker 2: be too old for Jordan's And the answer is no.

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Speaker 2: We put him on a pedestal, and I know his

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Speaker 2: impact and what he did in the NBA, and we

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Speaker 2: all wanted to be like Mike. Michael Jackson's still the

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Speaker 2: answer for me, and that's that's just my case, and

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Speaker 2: that's my answer. I'd love to hear what you have

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Speaker 2: to say, Rich Davis. First, of all. First of all,

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Speaker 2: your countdown was bunk. Why is it bunk? I did

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Speaker 2: a top three ugus, you announced number three and then

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Speaker 2: you give the winner, and people assume what number two is?

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Speaker 2: Kiss never a pageant like pageant. It was a countdown,

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Speaker 2: he both, so it wasn't a pad of winner. They

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Speaker 2: never I was given a countdown. So Mike Casey Caseam

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Speaker 2: give you number one before he gave me number two.

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Speaker 2: Let me consult with seacrestin Spider Harrison. All right, number three.

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Speaker 2: Mike Tyson agreed. While he might be my favorite of

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Speaker 2: the three people, as far as like he intrigues me

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Speaker 2: the most, I have to be real. It's not the

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Speaker 2: Rich Davis list. It's the I'm telling you the real list.

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Speaker 2: All right, give me the real list, my list. Mike

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Speaker 2: Tyson's the most intriguing. I'm intrigued by him. Does everybody

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Speaker 2: agree on that? Bursch Joel like, Mike Tyson to me

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Speaker 2: is like, I agree, three, okay, yes, yes, and again

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Speaker 2: I love he's my favorite of the three. He's my favorite. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's my favorite. He's my favorite. Okay, So look, we

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Speaker 2: all agreed. There's something about Mike Tyson that we all

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Speaker 2: root for we're intrigued by We love him. But if

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Speaker 2: you're gonna compare him to these two, number three, he's

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Speaker 2: number three, okay. Michael Jackson lives in a world of Oh,

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Speaker 2: it's Halloween thriller.

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Speaker 4: Am I right?

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Speaker 2: You go to a wedding, Oh beat it, what a

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Speaker 2: great jam. You go to a resort on vacation with

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Speaker 2: your wife. Oh, here we are in the Bahamas or Mexico. Oh,

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Speaker 2: what's the show tonight at eight o'clock. Oh, they're doing

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Speaker 2: a Michael Jackson tribute. We live in a world where

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Speaker 2: middle aged to older people live off of the eighties,

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Speaker 2: nineties love, even going back to the seventies with the

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Speaker 2: Jackson five. Michael Jackson's a cultural icon, but it's all

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Speaker 2: very retro. Michael Jordan is still relevant to this day.

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Speaker 2: There are new Jordans every year, people wear his logo.

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Speaker 2: Brand is relevant. He is his brand. No, his brand

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Speaker 2: is relevant. The something is the roof. Michael Jordan is

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Speaker 2: still relevant. Michael Jackson's not to be rude, but Michael

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Speaker 2: Jackson's dead. He lives in the form of holograms and

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Speaker 2: tributes at uh Sandals Resort in Jamaica. Lives in the

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Speaker 2: form of Oh I went to a wedding and kids

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Speaker 2: really still love beat It? Oh I watched it We

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Speaker 2: the glove.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, dude, maybe the most famous musician of all time,

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Speaker 2: up there with the Beatles and Taylor Swift nowadays, it seems,

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Speaker 2: but nothing comes close to the way people put Michael

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Speaker 2: Jordan on this pedestal of pedestals where he is unbeatable.

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Speaker 2: People sweat Michael Jordan on a different level, But he

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Speaker 2: also lives in a pocket where it's not as universally

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Speaker 2: loved as music is. I'm sorry. Not everybody loves the NBA.

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Speaker 2: People love the brand of Jordan's and what he he

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Speaker 2: significance isn't as big as the way music hits you

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Speaker 2: in the heart for generations. The Dream Team made basketball

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Speaker 2: international and who is the guy? Yeah? But here in

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Speaker 2: a America, I think it's small. No, no, no, I'm

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Speaker 2: not thinking America the Dream Team, You numb scholar people.

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Speaker 2: People don't all love bass. Let's we do here in America?

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Speaker 2: Kick it back to nineteen ninety two. Why why do

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Speaker 2: we have all these farm players in the NBA now

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Speaker 2: that are dominating because in the nineties when they were

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Speaker 2: little boys, Michael Jordan and of course Larry Bird, Magic Johnson,

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Speaker 2: Charles Barkley, Malone, all all lot are bok had no impact. Dude,

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Speaker 2: there's lots of feign players, but I'm saying they were

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Speaker 2: all inspired by one man, Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's inspired face jam. If it wasn't

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Speaker 2: Okay, Joel? Who's your number one? Michael Jackson? Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 2: Rich Forty years later, you numbskull this third time? Numbskull. Alright,

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Speaker 7: But one one, Michael, I hear that people talk about

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Speaker 7: It's right they talk about him Lebron all the time.

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Speaker 7: I hear it all the time. And I want to go,

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you, I'm glad y'all dropt. Mike, you were

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Speaker 5: It is sports talk show, so I don't know about

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Speaker 2: That's a good one. I mean, in his in his game,

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Speaker 2: that what's right? No, that's not to take away from

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Speaker 2: Cavino and I'm from New Jersey, right, but my sister

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Speaker 2: again we put on this pedestal today, although she's the

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Speaker 2: closest thing and she's a great role model, and there's

429
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Speaker 2: no hate there. I'm not trying to hate. I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to elevate Michael Jackson, whose reputation was tarnished, and remind

431
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Speaker 2: you that rightfully. So maybe you don't know. I don't know,

432
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 2: but I'm talking about his art and his music. I

433
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Speaker 2: don't think she's gonna have this sort of impact forty

434
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Speaker 2: fifty years from now the way Michael Jackson does. That's

435
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Speaker 2: why my answer is Michael Jackson. So again, that's my point.

436
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: What slows we wrap it up? What what slows it down?

437
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 2: What do you mean when slows it down? What would

438
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 2: take in your mind, Taylor Swift from being someone that

439
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: makes five b No, But I'm just asking what would

440
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 2: make She's not doing anything in a like Michael Jackson did.

441
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: The guy changed the game. He was walking on the moon.

442
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: I'm just fascinated. How about you, love you? You missed out, bro,

443
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: You were were not an MTV kid. You never bought

444
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: an album in your life. This dude had worldwide cultural

445
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: impact where the world sings his songs. There's also a

446
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: whole bunch of people. There's also a whole bunch of

447
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 2: people that think Michael Jackson's like a weird kid toucher dude.

448
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 2: By the way, that's a whole other, uh discussion, Michael.

449
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: Hold on. When kids today realized that's the same guy,

450
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 2: They're like, wait, hold on, well what happened to him.

451
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 2: That's a whole other discussion. But dude, that's just again,

452
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the artistry of what we're dealing with. Michael.

453
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: We're talking about Michael. We're talking about Mike Tyson's what

454
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: he did, and again speculation on Jordan, we're talking about Listen,

455
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: what they accomplished career wise. With all due respect to uh,

456
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 2: that doesn't change the misic the late Michael Jackson. He

457
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: really hasn't done much more work than a lot of

458
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Speaker 2: women in like Calabasas. Yeah, agrees with me, argue with him.

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00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 2: He thinks is clearly Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 6: Guys, I want to I want to make an honest

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Speaker 6: point here about Michael Jackson.

462
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Speaker 4: So I am.

463
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Speaker 6: I am thirty one years old and we're talking about

464
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Speaker 6: like cultural relevance and cultural impact. And for me personally,

465
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Speaker 6: I did not live through Michael Jackson's heyday. Of course,

466
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Speaker 6: I appreciate his music. I recognize him as one of

467
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Speaker 6: the greatest musicians to ever live. However, my personal experience

468
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 6: growing up in terms of what I experienced in real

469
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 6: time with Michael Jackson was, Yeah, all that stuff, controversal

470
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Speaker 6: leasing the doves after every not guilty and then his

471
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Speaker 6: death and how how big of a deal that was

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Speaker 6: for Michael Jordan. I as a thirty one year old,

473
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Speaker 6: I caught the very tail end of his career. But

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Speaker 6: it's space jam one hundred percent like my generation.

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Speaker 5: Like.

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Speaker 2: He did, and all these things that, like shit A

477
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: fun debate, bro, Yeah, but you're acting like you you

478
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Speaker 2: think you uh this debate? Yeah? I still I do.

479
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: But I have the right to do. I not Trucker

480
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: Rudy in Illinois. Your thoughts, my friend? Can you know

481
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: Richard for Dan Patrick of the Michaels of our childhood,

482
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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, Mike Tyson, Michael Jackson who left the biggest

483
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Speaker 2: cultural mark? What do you think, Trucker Rudy?

484
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Speaker 5: I am gonna throw in a little wrench into your

485
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Speaker 5: argument and add Michael J.

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Speaker 3: Fox love him?

487
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: Oh you mean to tell me?

488
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Speaker 3: You know?

489
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Speaker 2: Michael J. Fox. He's just another great Michael. And you

490
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Speaker 2: know what, if you want to cry, if you want

491
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Speaker 2: to shed a tear. He was at some award show

492
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 2: overseas and he comes out in a wheelchair and he

493
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Speaker 2: stands up to present an award and the whole crowd

494
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 2: gives him a standing ovation and it makes you hate

495
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: everything to do with like disease and Parkinson's and you're like, Mike,

496
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Speaker 2: Michael J. Fox is such a it's such a guy

497
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Speaker 2: that you know, meant so much to us. I love him,

498
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: but I mean, I don't think he's in the convo.

499
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: But again, we're talking how certain things are timeless, back

500
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: to the futures. Timeless, classics are timeless. Jordan's are timeless,

501
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson's music is timeless. So I agree. But Bursch

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Speaker 2: brought up a great point, and that's you know, maybe

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00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: you need to hear from him. But there's a generation

504
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: of people that are like, it's a weird Though I

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Speaker 2: respect his answer, I don't agree with Kyle in Vegas.

506
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: What's up, buddy, what's up?

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Speaker 3: Con First off, let me start by saying Chris Brown

508
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: is probably closer to Michael Jackson than Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: That's number one, number two, Jay Z says in the

511
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: song before two Jackson, Tyson, Jordan's game six. Lastly, if

512
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Speaker 3: we're talking one a to each one of them, Lebron

513
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: is one aid to Jordan, Chris Brown is one aid

514
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Speaker 3: to Jackson. Mayweather is one a to Tyson.

515
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 2: Can't tell you said Chris Brown, I like Chris Breann.

516
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: In fact, do you want to hear a funny story?

517
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: We're at the club once this truth comno back me up.

518
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: Chris Brown was at this bar. True story. If you

519
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: really want a name drop, you're gonna do it. You're

520
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: gonna do it anymore. I'm not gonna do it. I'm

521
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: not gonna Kardashians were Aaron Kavino is talking to them.

522
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: They were talking to me bro No, but I'm not

523
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: gonna do it, not gonna do it. This is funny burr.

524
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: So where this is like mid two thousands. Chris Brown

525
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: is in like a circle of people we're sort of

526
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: talking to We were at like a radio event, and

527
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: Chris Brown's like, hey man, can you hold my drink

528
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: a second? And he just gets in the middle of

529
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: a circle and starts dancing and he won't stop dancing.

530
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 2: So I'm just standing there holding Chris Brown's train. I'm

531
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Speaker 2: his drink boy. And by the way, when Chris Brown dances,

532
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: like get out of his way, because you can't like compete,

533
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: you look like a fool. You look like you look

534
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: like John Harbaugh trying to dance. Next day, that is true,

535
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, he's unbelievably talented, unbelievably talented.

536
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: And again, I'm not trying to take anything away from

537
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: Tylor Shifts. I do believe she is the closest thing

538
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: we've seen. But it's still like, you can't say she's

539
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: bigger than Michael Jackson until fifty years from now we

540
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 2: could play her songs and they still have that type

541
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: of impact. We don't know that yet. We don't know that,

542
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: we don't and you know, we won't know that until

543
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: you know, forty years, fifty years, You're gonna have to

544
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: see if a bunch of fifty sixty seven year old

545
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: women are playing their throwback Taylor stuff when we're old

546
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: sitting on a park bench, feet in the ducks. So

547
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: you know anything, guys, It's a little debate you could

548
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: have around your family dinner tonight, rank the Michaels who

549
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 2: had the most cultural impact. And I gave you reasons

550
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: as to why I think Taylor Swift is great, but

551
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: she's no Michael Jackson. In that second tier of Michael's.

552
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: People brought up a couple of good ones. Okay, second

553
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: Phelps and Fox Phelps, Fox and uh Boublay, who's the

554
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: second tier? I think no, I think we could keep

555
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: it with just those five. Yeah, those are good ones.

556
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: Those are good ones, all right, think about it. Or

557
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson. We need clear three Mike Tyson. Then the

558
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: tear below that is Michael J. Fox and uh Michael

559
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: not Michael Landon, Michael, Mike Phelps, j FO. Yeah, all right, Mike,

560
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: Mike Brady, Mike Brace Myers, Mike Myers. He's very funny,

561
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Speaker 2: you know. I just out of curiosity. Bursch, I really understand.

562
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: I completely understand your explanation as to why you pick Jordan, right,

563
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: because you're right in that pocket of space jam you

564
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: want to be like Mike. But I feel like Nick

565
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: Cope is in the same pocket, and he says Michael Jackson.

566
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm just curious why Nick Cope, says Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I am exactly the same age as Bursch. I

568
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 8: I am a historian, and so I guess I've I've done,

569
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 8: you know, extensive research. Yes, I just no one was

570
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 8: bigger than Michael Jacks. I feel like Rich moved the

571
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 8: goalposts on you. Earlier in the argument case. You were

572
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 8: talking about the eighties and the nineties, and Rich was like, well,

573
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 8: Michael Jackson's dead now, and that wasn't the conversation.

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00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: Oh, he's in a nation moving the posts. So I didn't.

575
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: I didn't see what today had anything to do with it.

576
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: You're talking about the eighties of the night. That's why

577
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: I win every argument, Nick Cove, I moved the goalpost

578
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: in mid arguments, and I see it.

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Speaker 4: We all do.

580
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm glad to hear your opinion too.

581
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,239
Speaker 2: And that's why it's a fun one man, because when

582
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: you think about it's it's very interesting that three Michaels

583
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: dominated our childhood. You know what, could I give you

584
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: a comparison, because what you know what it's fun on

585
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: the radio or TV to make it argument and be like,

586
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: here's my point, and you know, you know people will

587
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: tell you have your opinion and don't change. That's you know,

588
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: that's that's that's a that's a good argument, right. But

589
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: you could argue both realistically, and no one's gonna say

590
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: no one's no one's gonna blame you for being wishy

591
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: washy if you're like Michael Jordan Michael Jackson. Because I

592
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: have two examples of the respect they had within their industry,

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Speaker 2: just based on two documentaries we watched over the last

594
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Speaker 2: couple of years of our lives. We all watched the

595
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: Last Dance and we saw the respect that Michael Jordan

596
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: got from every player in the league. And you see

597
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: the stories on Instagram and tech talk that are isolated

598
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: from that docum Michael Jacks. Michael Jordan got that like

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00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: Babe Ruth type of respect. Like Michael Jordan could have

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00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: slapped somebody in the face and people would have been like,

601
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: oh man, you ever see that was Jordan. You ever

602
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: see old not footage, but like testimonials from people that

603
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: played with Babe Ruth. You'll see like some old guy

604
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: like here the Babe slip with my wife and punch

605
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: me in the nuts. But that was the beab they

606
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: wished to be like, yeah, yeah, Michael Jordan punched me

607
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: in practice in the face, but uh man, that was

608
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: Michael Man. Michael Jordan took me for five hundred dollars

609
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: gambling and then he he slapped me in the forehead.

610
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: But man, was he great. So you saw in Last

611
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: Dance the competitive nature and remember the whole joke was

612
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: and he took that personal. Yeah, so we saw how

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00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: people respected Michael Jordan. But if you just watched the

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00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: We Are the World documentary on Netflix, which is great,

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00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: it's called the Greatest Night and Pop. When they took

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00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: forty plus a list superstars in the eighties, everyone from

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Speaker 2: Brew Springsteen to Billy Joel to Diana Ross to Lionel

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00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: Ritchie when they did We Are the World. I'm sorry

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00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: you forgot Huey Lewis, Huey Lewis, who I think might

620
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: have had the best line in the song. And to

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00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: prove your point wrong, before you put on Huey Lewis

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00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: for kids, they're not dancing to it. You put on

623
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson. They're dancing too. And I love hught. I

624
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: mean put on hip to be square and try to

625
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: keep these feet still. Yeah again the squares guy. I know,

626
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: of course you're dancing. Put on Lionel Richie dancing on

627
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: the ceiling. I'll be dancing everywhere. But what you saw

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00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: in that documentary that all the stars, whether like I said,

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Speaker 2: whether it was Ray Charles, Bob Dylan, Cindy Lauper I said,

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00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: Huey Lewis, Hall and Oates, anyone that was part of

631
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: We Are the Word. Ann Ackroyd why he was there,

632
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: We'll never know, Blues Brother, but everyone that was a

633
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: star in the eighties, from James Ingram in that voice

634
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: to Paul Simon, who anchored that whole thing, respected the most.

635
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: He was a star amongst stars. Michael Jackson with his

636
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: glittering outfit and glove standing there doing the hook of

637
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: the song and everyone's like just sort of thrilled to

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00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: be part of something. Is Michael Jackson vouchre When Lionel

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Speaker 2: Ritchie and Michael Jackson vouched for it, no one had

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Speaker 2: any legs to say, I want to know about this,

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Speaker 2: And by the way, it was Michael Jackson, Lionel. Think

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Speaker 2: about the controversies that you brought up to downplay his significance.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing that his music and his impact still overcomes.

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Speaker 1: All of that.

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Speaker 2: That's how good it is. You ain't here and R

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Speaker 2: Kelly the weirdest guy in the world, weirdest guy ever.

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Speaker 2: There's why you still love him because this stuff was

648
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Speaker 2: that good and impactful. Serious XM and iHeart at times

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Speaker 2: have pulled R. Kelly from playlist Who well, who else

650
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Speaker 2: have they pulled? Like Marilyn Manson during controversy. Yeah, So

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00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: you know, Michael Jackson, I'll back you on the You

652
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: ain't pulling Billy Jean. It's like, YO, beat it with that.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter what comes out, You're still You're still playing

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Speaker 2: thriller on Holloway. That's funny, right when you think about it.

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Speaker 2: All right, So hey, think about it and you let

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Speaker 2: us know at Covino and Rich Now Anthony Rendon, Well

657
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk not so much baseball, but I'm starting

658
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: to hate this guy the attitude of athletes in twenty

659
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: twenty four because I'm gonna tie two things together. People's

660
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: complete dissatisfaction with the NBA All Star Game and Anthony Rendon.

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Speaker 2: What the what do these things have? Are you making

662
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Speaker 2: the Babaganoosh? Yeah, I'm doing a little Ben Maller. I'm

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Speaker 2: pulling random things together. I got Anthony Rendon and NBA

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Speaker 2: All Star Game and uh breakfast burritos and Rich is

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Speaker 2: gonna tie them all together. We'll do that next And

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Speaker 2: for the great Dan Patrick, it's Covino on Retch Hank Tight.

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Speaker 2: you why, because I'm sure I'm not the only guy

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Speaker 2: who the minute you start doing any type of kids sports.

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Speaker 2: Anytime you tell me to not tell your wife, I

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Speaker 2: always listen. Do you know how many things I didn't

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Speaker 2: tell your wife? A lot of things? You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: good for that anytime. I can't be the only guy

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Speaker 2: where the minute kids sports enter your family's life. My

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Speaker 2: wife's like, we need the biggest SUV with three rows

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Speaker 2: in a sim orange slices. I was like, I think

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Speaker 2: we're fine, we have an SUV. We don't need the

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Speaker 2: biggest three. But maybe I'll maybe I'll send her to

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Speaker 2: the NBUSA website.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Dan Patrick, all right, I'm reading the feedback

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Speaker 2: and let me read a comment here. We got great topic, guys.

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Speaker 2: You brought up the Jordan conversation with Sebastian Maniscalco the

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Speaker 2: other day where comedian Sebastian Maniscalco said, can someone wear

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Speaker 2: Jordan's after a certain age? He said after forty? He

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00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: wasn't sure, and I said, absolutely you can. Classics never

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Speaker 2: go out of style. That's from our era. Has your

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Speaker 2: boy Sebastian ever said you can't listen to MJ after forty?

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00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: Scott hit us up and said, took my kids to

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Speaker 2: see MJ the Musical a few weeks ago, and it's

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Speaker 2: all they've listened to since. They couldn't have loved it more.

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00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: But that's my eight year old who wears a Jordan shirt,

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00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: Jordan shorts, Jordan armsleeve, Jordan socks, Jordan's shoes every single day.

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Speaker 2: It just might be that those two are once in

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Speaker 2: a life time type of guys that you're never gonna

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Speaker 2: see again. And again, I bring this up because we

707
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: grew up in that era, right, And like I said,

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00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: my nieces and nephews are in town, and I was

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00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: just shocked to see how timeless Michael Jackson's music was

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00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: to see how they were so captivated by his talent

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00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 2: and by the songs. And I'm like, man, I don't

712
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: know if you could say the same for Taylor Swift

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Speaker 2: fifty years from now. Maybe we can. We don't know.

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00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: And it made me think about, well, who's the biggest

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Speaker 2: of the three of the Michael trifecta. Thank you guys

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00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: for playing along at home. We appreciate you. Now, so

717
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: many things going on. We're gonna talk some NFL A

718
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 2: lot of it is wild that a lot of people

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00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: already talking about next NFL season. We just wrapped up

720
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: a week ago. It's maniac behavior. Really love to the

721
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: NFL Blues and you're taking the NFL bait. You have

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00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: to remember the NFL has made a conscious effort to

723
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: stay in the headlines. This is part of the plan

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00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: to just keep you in. They give you bait, They

725
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: throw bait out there. They leave you bread crumbs. The

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00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: bread you hear about Russell Wilson to the Steelers, Oh

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00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: bread crumb, No tell me more, justin fields. These are

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00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: all bread NFL you know what they are. They are

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Speaker 2: breadcrumbs that get us to the NFL draft. You know

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Speaker 2: what it's like. Then there's like a hot chick that

731
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Speaker 2: likes the post, but she's really not gonna date you,

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00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: but she likes your post because she wants to leave

733
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Speaker 2: you a bread crumb just to keep you around, just

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Speaker 2: in case. You know, It's like the NFL wants to

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Speaker 2: keep you around, so he leave you little bread crumbs. Here,

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Speaker 2: the NFL is the hot waitress who flirts with you

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Speaker 2: a little bit, and you're like, I think she likes

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Speaker 2: I think she Yeah, definitely she's bread crumb. That's the

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Speaker 2: NFL keeping your attention in March April. You know, the

740
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: fact that the fact that the Super Bowl ends in

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Speaker 2: February and we are heavily interested for the rest of

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Speaker 2: February March April up until the draft. We're we're talking

743
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: about hypotheticals. Are we are obsessed? You could say it,

744
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 2: you could admit it. We as a culture are obsessed

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00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: with the NFL, and I'm fine with it. But it

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00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: is obsession. When you know, Joel, you and I are

747
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: talking to the kitchen this morning. Networks have replays of games,

748
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Speaker 2: all the best moments of twenty twenty three. What's gonna

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Speaker 2: happen in twenty twenty four. It's a twenty four hour

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Speaker 2: news cycle for the NFL, and they've mastered it.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: Combine is the twenty sixth. It's it's gonna be happening already.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: I want to bring up a couple stories that I

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00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: think sort of tie together. I'm gonna push us oute

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Speaker 2: the NBA All Star disappointment in a second, because that's

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00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: that might be a little something different that has to

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00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: do with expectations, But what is the one There's a

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00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: lot of things that came out of COVID, but one

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00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: of the things I think we could all agree upon

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00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: that's not a that doesn't have to do vaccines, of

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Speaker 2: toilet paper, anything that we thought about for years of

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Speaker 2: our lives is that people did reprioritize. People started working

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Speaker 2: from home. Here there it's like, you know what, maybe

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Speaker 2: I do need to spend a little more time with

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Speaker 2: my kids, so or you know what, maybe the hustle

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Speaker 2: and bustle of like my multiple commutes and train rides

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Speaker 2: and buses and sitting in traffic and traveling every week.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people reassessed what they really

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Speaker 2: wanted to do, because when you were stuck at home

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Speaker 2: for a little while. There was a sense of huh.

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Speaker 2: It gave you time to reflect, right, family is important,

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Speaker 2: work not so much. You're just the number. So many

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Speaker 2: people lost their jobs, so yeah, you reassessed a lot

775
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Speaker 2: of things. You see memes like you know you die

776
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: within a day. Your job is posted on websites. So

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00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: you're a guy and I like this about you. Old

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Speaker 2: school work ethic. A lot of times when people say

779
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: stuff like that, you'll say, just lazy. That's bs. Everybody's entitled.

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00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: Everybody thinks they get a job and they're supposed to

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Speaker 2: be the head of the company in a year. That's

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00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: not how life works. Everyone has a different path. If

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00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 2: that worked that way for you, congratulations. But there's a

784
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: couple stories in the world of sports that make you

785
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: wonder about what you should say out loud, even if

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00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: you really feel it. And one of those people is

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Speaker 2: Anthony Rendon. And there's another clip of Shaquille O'Neal talking

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Speaker 2: to Jason Kelcey, and it has to do with enjoy

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Speaker 2: your family.

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Speaker 4: Brother.

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Speaker 2: When he said that, well, we have the clip, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna play it. Admit it. I had nobody, So you

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Speaker 2: got the ring. Enjoy your family perspective on family and career,

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00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: and is that shifting not only in like our regular

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Speaker 2: and regular people's day to day life. Are are athletes

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00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: openly admitting now that, hey, listen, it's just a job.

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Speaker 2: You're a fanatic about it. I even live your life

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Speaker 2: without your job. Explain that he's for these multimillionaires. Yeah,

799
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Speaker 2: when Rendon's getting paid to do nothing, he could say that.

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00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: But I'm glad you said that because there's a flip

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Speaker 2: side to what I'm saying, and we're going to get

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Speaker 2: to all that next. Any feedback at Covin on rich

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Speaker 2: Or eight seven, seven, nine nine on Fox More coven

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Speaker 2: On rich In for the Great Dan Patrick next tank

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Speaker 2: type