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Speaker 1: by Cody Cannon Whiskey Myers. What's going on? Man? Is
Speaker 1: that a stage name? What is that your name? You
Speaker 1: were born with Coddy Cannon? Yes, dude, that's a great,
Speaker 1: great name for a musician. Man, you're bound to be
Speaker 1: a rock star with name like that. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: were a rock star named Steve Ronell, that's it ain't
Speaker 1: gonna work. Cody Cannon's got of a rock star. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm switching to Steve Fever. There you go, and I'm
Speaker 1: going into the music business hard. Have a little Copenhagen huh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Always it's my vice, the only vices I have left.
Speaker 1: I don't think I can give it up. That's your flavor. Yeah, Spencers,
Speaker 1: used to you look like a guy that used to dip?
Speaker 1: Now really a couple of times, uh, while I was
Speaker 1: fishing in like a hundred degree heat when I was
Speaker 1: in high That makes you want to have a uh
Speaker 1: maybe not want to have one every again. I was
Speaker 1: wondering how long you would get without addressing his dip
Speaker 1: in his mouth. I don't want to think some primary
Speaker 1: thing I'm interested in life, and I didn't think it'd
Speaker 1: be the first minute. That was quick. Oh, the first
Speaker 1: thing out of my mouth. I saw that cope come out.
Speaker 1: I got a little dip. Though, this is like church
Speaker 1: size dip. Show me your pinch size there if you're
Speaker 1: on mine, like I'm saying, not at church. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like Saturday night, half drunk, half drunk, that much a
Speaker 1: whole time, the opper and the lower. Did you ever
Speaker 1: fill in the upper end lower lip? Nor that ignorant
Speaker 1: that's just pushing. Yeah, that's just that's just silly, Chris,
Speaker 1: And to do yourself. I'm Chris Alexander. I'm the tour
Speaker 1: manager for Whiskey Myers. You too, I do not. I
Speaker 1: used to quit. Yeah, was it difficult to quit? No?
Speaker 1: I did it when I played baseball when I was
Speaker 1: in school, and that was when I got done stopped.
Speaker 1: Someone someone tell us the other day that they used
Speaker 1: to actually mix um gum and chew when they played baseball.
Speaker 1: The Terry Francona that was called who was telling me
Speaker 1: this too? He said it would make such a mess. Oh,
Speaker 1: Kurt Roscoe, what is that? Like? You have great bubble
Speaker 1: gum on one side and you have I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's big league, were like big league chew a
Speaker 1: lot with your kids. Man, she had like a pouchy
Speaker 1: shredded gum. He was saying that when he played baseball,
Speaker 1: they would mix their chew and they're gumb and he said,
Speaker 1: when you were outstanding there for a game doing that,
Speaker 1: it would generate so much spit you would actually have
Speaker 1: a stained circle around you, but you'd build up a
Speaker 1: big cheo stain area because it would just generate an
Speaker 1: enormous amount of saliva. I don't know if that's a
Speaker 1: universal name, but we refer to that as a Terry Francona.
Speaker 1: Is that a famous athlete? Uh, he's a famous baseball manager,
Speaker 1: So that's a real thing. Crazy, Yeah, Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think I can do that. We had a musician in
Speaker 1: here one time. He was chewing while we talked to him,
Speaker 1: just like yourself, and uh, we're talking about a full stadium,
Speaker 1: which it was explained to us is when you have
Speaker 1: the upper and lower deck, and he said, that's not
Speaker 1: what that's called. It's called a hard nut, which I
Speaker 1: have no idea. What the hell, Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: about that. I've I've never I've never tried it. I
Speaker 1: guess I'm gonna have to try. Maybe i'm missing out.
Speaker 1: We'll watch. Last night, Callahand was over and we were
Speaker 1: making some mere gazz, which is you probably you're international
Speaker 1: enough that when i'm top about it's delicious. Did you
Speaker 1: have you had Sumac right, not poison? Sumac didn't in there?
Speaker 1: You didn't, Harrissa sauce roasted red peppers. You put in
Speaker 1: lamb casings, which is the worst thing on the planet.
Speaker 1: To work with it, just to know they're just like,
Speaker 1: it's just they're thin. But they used to make. They
Speaker 1: used to make, not even used to think you can
Speaker 1: still get them, like if you've got a latex allergy.
Speaker 1: They make condoms out of lamb casing. Huh. I wonder
Speaker 1: how it looks. It's like such a thing as a
Speaker 1: natural condom. Ever, wonder how effective or not that is.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's bad for the lamb, so different
Speaker 1: uses of the animal. Oh, speaking of which, Man, I
Speaker 1: haven't talked about this. I have a picture of this.
Speaker 1: I can't tell if I want to put it on
Speaker 1: Instagram because it won't it won't perform well and it
Speaker 1: will blow my metrics. But we just found uh when
Speaker 1: I was with my kids haunt antelope. We found a
Speaker 1: coyote dropping and in the dropping was a lamb cast
Speaker 1: It was a castration band. Huh. Yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: uh for your listeners at home. One of the ways
Speaker 1: they cast rate you can castrate stuff is you just
Speaker 1: take a Remember this kid I grew up by, Paul
Speaker 1: Anderson was his name. They did it to their dog
Speaker 1: with rubber bands. M h. I haven't talked to that
Speaker 1: dude in a while. He'd be hard to look up
Speaker 1: on the internet. To you, because I got a feeling
Speaker 1: there's a thousand Paul Anderson's but um, he put rubber
Speaker 1: bands around his dogs scroll because they knew that they
Speaker 1: do it in the livestock business. This castration band looks
Speaker 1: like the size of a wedding ring and it's green rubber,
Speaker 1: and they'll just snay get around the lambs. They'll snake
Speaker 1: it around his little scroll and it strangles it. And
Speaker 1: somehow he got tangled up with a kyo and the
Speaker 1: kyo ate the castration band or whatever, or he just
Speaker 1: ate a castration brand, which is hard to picture. I
Speaker 1: think you're wrong. I think your audience would like that.
Speaker 1: Are you a bandman or a blade man? So good?
Speaker 1: My father in law is, yeah, we we we do both.
Speaker 1: We cut him in bandom. Oh please tell me more.
Speaker 1: I mean, can you walk us through it? What do
Speaker 1: you guys work with cattle or sheep? Cattle? Okay, walk
Speaker 1: us through the process. I mean we just we process
Speaker 1: him and when when when he buys him, we we
Speaker 1: either band him or cut him. I really don't know
Speaker 1: why we do one or the other. To tell you
Speaker 1: the truth, I just kind of do what what he
Speaker 1: tells me too, so but I'm in great detail. You
Speaker 1: make an incision and snake them out. You still band him.
Speaker 1: You there's a tool and you reach down and you
Speaker 1: put it around the testicles, and then you take a
Speaker 1: a sharp knife or you know, a scow pool is
Speaker 1: what we use, and you just cut. You make two
Speaker 1: incisions and they just fall off, you know. With Also,
Speaker 1: the band works in conjunction with an incision right over
Speaker 1: what period of time. I don't know how long it
Speaker 1: takes him. Uh, probably you know, days, maybe a week,
Speaker 1: and they fall off and it's supposed to be better
Speaker 1: for him. I don't So what's your read now, because
Speaker 1: you're so educated on this. Let's say you're winding around
Speaker 1: with your kids and you find a coyote ship at
Speaker 1: this time of year, but it's old, like I don't know, hole,
Speaker 1: it was a dry area, so wouldn't rock you find
Speaker 1: a kyote dropping the contains a castration band. That would
Speaker 1: be a little larger band in your head. But in
Speaker 1: your head would you be like, oh, he ate a
Speaker 1: castration band, or would you be like he ate a
Speaker 1: lamb and thereby got the castration band? I would get
Speaker 1: a jaked nut. Well does the castration band fall off eventually?
Speaker 1: With with the screw them? What's Jake and the nut mean?
Speaker 1: I just say Jake said maybe he just hated nuts,
Speaker 1: not to lamb. Althought. I said he jaked a nut,
Speaker 1: which I don't know what that. But I'm gonna think
Speaker 1: of something. I'm gonna yeah, another positioning of the chew
Speaker 1: in the now. Yeah, I'm gonna think of like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do some kind of inventive thing and call it
Speaker 1: jake in a nut and just act like it's always
Speaker 1: been called that. Um so you feel that the band? Okay,
Speaker 1: So when you put the band on, and I know,
Speaker 1: lamb and show me with your fingers how big a
Speaker 1: castration band is for cattle. I mean it goes down
Speaker 1: when you when you first put it on, it's probably
Speaker 1: that long, and you hook it and then whenever you
Speaker 1: hook it around it probably ends up. You know that
Speaker 1: big and honest. So you could feasibly pass your fists
Speaker 1: through the castration band, I would say, so, yes, okay, yeah, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, this one was like a wedding ring.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing I got so curious about it.
Speaker 1: First I showed it to some livestock people, my body
Speaker 1: Dug in particular, and he confirmed that's a castration band.
Speaker 1: And then he sent me a link where I could
Speaker 1: buy that castration band. I could get a haunted um
Speaker 1: for a couple of bucks if I was in the mood. Um,
Speaker 1: they stick you on the tool. Yeah, it's like you
Speaker 1: buy the tool and get the bands for free. Basically, Um,
Speaker 1: so you feel that one he's wearing the castration band
Speaker 1: like you you put the band on to apply pressure,
Speaker 1: make decisions from to drop out. Does that band then
Speaker 1: fall away? It should yes, Okay, So it could be
Speaker 1: on the ground and the code ate it, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you know that? Like was their lamb hair there? Like,
Speaker 1: how do you know what's from a lamb? Because that's
Speaker 1: the kind of castration band is. So my wife grew
Speaker 1: up on a farm and she had a cat wander
Speaker 1: into the yard one time and they were checking out
Speaker 1: the cat, looking at it over. They've never seen it before,
Speaker 1: and it had a castration band on it. And so
Speaker 1: I don't think they're like just exclusive to one quitter,
Speaker 1: especially for us. You don't think You don't think that
Speaker 1: a farmer through that castration band he got into his
Speaker 1: lamb cast creation band bin and threw it on a cat.
Speaker 1: I'm okay. I cannot rule out, especially like what if
Speaker 1: it was on a human? What if what if someone
Speaker 1: likes the way it feels like out in ranch country?
Speaker 1: Do I think it was a house cat? No? I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's a good idea though. I've talked about
Speaker 1: this for but I don't care. I'll talk about it again.
Speaker 1: We had a cat named Fig. It's kind of long story.
Speaker 1: My dad tamed a wild house cat that we named Fig.
Speaker 1: He tamed it with fish heads because it would come
Speaker 1: around in the winter and he would just leave out
Speaker 1: bluegill and perch heads for it, cleaning fish. And he
Speaker 1: took a great liking to this cat, and he took
Speaker 1: the cat. There was a guy named Nels, Nell's carlson.
Speaker 1: Nell's carlson think he's a hog farmer. My old man
Speaker 1: took Fig over to Nell's house, two so nils because
Speaker 1: he's castrated hundreds of pigs. My old man takes the
Speaker 1: cat over there, and I went with him. My brothers
Speaker 1: went with him, and they put that cat in a
Speaker 1: gunny sack, snipped a hole in the gunny sack and
Speaker 1: snaked his little scroll out that hole, and that cat
Speaker 1: fought him off. They got a nick in the cat.
Speaker 1: The cat fought him off so viciously that they just
Speaker 1: said never mind. The cat heeled back up and lived
Speaker 1: its entire life intact. Fought off a hog farmer, and
Speaker 1: I remember getting so upset I went into the house
Speaker 1: because the cat was just making a ruckus. Yeah. Whenever,
Speaker 1: to the fish hatchery, we used castration bands and tools no,
Speaker 1: almost almost. When we would ship fish out, say you
Speaker 1: had like fry sized perch, which would be the size
Speaker 1: of your finger, would put them in these contractor bags
Speaker 1: were probably like thirteen gallon bags go water, fish, oxygen,
Speaker 1: and then to seal it up to make sure none
Speaker 1: of those things escaped, we would use a castration band
Speaker 1: with the tool and slide it over the garbage bag
Speaker 1: or to get a good seal on the garbage. That's
Speaker 1: how we would close it. So we use them, maybe
Speaker 1: he ate a sack of fish, maybe hundreds of times
Speaker 1: a year. We'd use that. Hu multipurpose the job, use
Speaker 1: the trucks where you just pump them into the lake
Speaker 1: or anything like. Yeah, we we would do that if
Speaker 1: we had bigger fish. But this this would be an
Speaker 1: example where we were shipping it across the country to
Speaker 1: somebody else, and these would just go in FedEx trucks,
Speaker 1: just like all the crappy get from Amazon. Right next
Speaker 1: to him, Could you use castration bands to do those
Speaker 1: fancy silicone wedding rings you guys do? No, it's not
Speaker 1: like that, because it's um. I don't wear a wedding
Speaker 1: ring at all anymore. I mean, my wife both quit.
Speaker 1: Nothing about the status of our marriage. Just like I
Speaker 1: don't know ten years, eleven years, sto over right now.
Speaker 1: I lost mine. It's it's in an antelope. It's probably
Speaker 1: in the sky gut because I lost it gutting an
Speaker 1: antelope and wyoming last year and just haven't gotten around
Speaker 1: to getting a new one. No women have talked to me.
Speaker 1: Your hit on me. I'm sorry. Well, that's the thing
Speaker 1: that people would say, like you're supposed to you know,
Speaker 1: you wear a wedding ring to say like that, you
Speaker 1: like I have like achieved an age where Um, it's
Speaker 1: just not like I don't need to have like an
Speaker 1: outward symbol demonstrating that I'm I just smell kind of
Speaker 1: like I just looked taken ring to help people understand,
Speaker 1: I just look like just played out. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: need to ring anymore. Um, a couple of things. We've
Speaker 1: got cover. One last thing. Do you guys know the
Speaker 1: Southern writer he's he died? Did you know that the
Speaker 1: writer Larry Brown? Do you ever hear Larry Brown? Larry down?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what what what? What's his father and son?
Speaker 1: Um look up Larry when you guys wound up looking
Speaker 1: up Larry Brown's. He had some stuff optioned by the
Speaker 1: Coen Brothers and stuff. You wrote a book called fire
Speaker 1: Father and Son. Some of the stuff has been made
Speaker 1: into movies. He was a good dude man. Um. He
Speaker 1: was some Oxford, Mississippi. He was a firefighter, and you
Speaker 1: know when you're a firefighter, you have all that time
Speaker 1: between calls. So he wrote facing the music, Dirty Work,
Speaker 1: Big Bad Love, Joe on fire Father and Son, Faye
Speaker 1: Billy Ray's Farm, Rabbit Factory, Miracle Catfish, That's what I'm
Speaker 1: fixing to talk about, and tiny love. Um he was.
Speaker 1: He worked at a firebarn and would write. When all
Speaker 1: the other guys are like working out and barbecue and stuff,
Speaker 1: he would like go upstairs and write. He wrote seven
Speaker 1: novels before he had one published. He wrote a novel.
Speaker 1: One of his first novels he wrote was about a
Speaker 1: man eating bear and Yellowstone Park, and he'd never seen
Speaker 1: a bear, never been to Yellowstone Park, and eventually got
Speaker 1: it together, like I should write about it, dude, I
Speaker 1: should write about like the dudes that I know here
Speaker 1: in Mississippi and the dudes I grew up around, and
Speaker 1: instead of writing about bears and parks, and whatnot. He
Speaker 1: started just writing about the dudes he grew up around
Speaker 1: and found like tremendous success. He was telling me the
Speaker 1: story someone mentioned that you mentioned dumping fish out of
Speaker 1: the truck. He was telling me one time about they
Speaker 1: would have these catfish where they'd raise catfish and they'd
Speaker 1: have the broodstock or like the big old calfish. It
Speaker 1: would produce the um to produce all the eggs now,
Speaker 1: and then they'd have to like let him go, and
Speaker 1: people do always let him go secretly, and he had
Speaker 1: somehow gotten a line on where they were letting these
Speaker 1: old giants go, you know, it would go on fish
Speaker 1: for him, and then that kind of made its way
Speaker 1: into Ah, it made a way into his novel that
Speaker 1: he wrote. A couple of things touch off on. You
Speaker 1: should have brought your guitar, because you know why, we
Speaker 1: could have You could have written a diddy yeah to
Speaker 1: introduce because we had a we wrote it. We had
Speaker 1: a song written to introduce when Janice, who's not here
Speaker 1: right now, he's out on assignment. Um a ditty to
Speaker 1: introduce when Janice does. Some reporting for us would have
Speaker 1: have to have been about castration bands and stuff. No,
Speaker 1: you could have done us. You could have done it
Speaker 1: diddy introducing Spencer's this the diddy that just playing it.
Speaker 1: But the diddy that introduces Yanni's thing is like a
Speaker 1: little ditty. Then it goes Yanni's book report, and you
Speaker 1: could make a ditty that introduces when Spencer explains something
Speaker 1: a show segment like Spencer's Corner Ahead, Spencer, start with
Speaker 1: the oh you made one up? How's it go? I
Speaker 1: just said, uh, start with the lock shooting deal, then
Speaker 1: we'll get into the other stuff because you were telling
Speaker 1: me about that. Oh, this was just like right sent
Speaker 1: an hour from where we're sitting, you know, distance wise
Speaker 1: to to drive there, and it's just from last weekend,
Speaker 1: which is opener um. But there was a b m
Speaker 1: A which is private land that is least by the
Speaker 1: state for public hunting opportunity um and there were is
Speaker 1: reported one hundred hunters flock shooting at a group of elk,
Speaker 1: which is it's hard to fathom. Can I give a
Speaker 1: little context of how I wasn't there? And I have
Speaker 1: read the article, but for instance, we had a very
Speaker 1: early snowstorm that we had a snowstorm that hit before
Speaker 1: firearms season opened, and it caused a lot of things
Speaker 1: that would happen later to happen early. I I the
Speaker 1: day before that season opened, um was aware of a
Speaker 1: herd of two fifty turned up down in the hayfield.
Speaker 1: They don't normally or an alfalf feel they don't normally
Speaker 1: turn open. I wonder if it wasn't that a bunch
Speaker 1: of elt we're filling into some area that happened to
Speaker 1: be a black management b m A. And words started
Speaker 1: to spread and people are like, you know where there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of them, So tell us more. Yeah. When
Speaker 1: and with that snowstorm, we had like two or three
Speaker 1: days of record lows for most of the state, specifically,
Speaker 1: I know Bozeman had record those. So I would imagine, Uh,
Speaker 1: you're correct, and that these elks showed up in a
Speaker 1: place they normally wouldn't. We had a record high and
Speaker 1: a record low within like a couple of weeks of
Speaker 1: each other. When it was the record high. Wasn't there
Speaker 1: a record high around that day that the fire blew up?
Speaker 1: You're probably right. I think it was a record high
Speaker 1: for that like the day that right around the day
Speaker 1: the fire blew up, there was a record high, but
Speaker 1: a record high just means like that day, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: it was the hottest that day. Ever, that seems pretty
Speaker 1: par from Montana, and I follow this uh National Weather
Speaker 1: Service count that always shows the high in the low
Speaker 1: each day in Montana, and it's pretty awesome because there's
Speaker 1: like a seventy degree difference everything. Yeah, between like hard
Speaker 1: and Montana, which is out east and then west Yellowstone.
Speaker 1: West Yellowstone is like ninetent at the time, the coldest
Speaker 1: place in the state. The place. Yeah, So with these elk,
Speaker 1: what hundred hunters flock shooting a group of elk, fifty
Speaker 1: of the elk die, Um, it had to be like
Speaker 1: a pretty crazy scene, and there was an expectation that
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a cliff drive. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: there was an expectation that with all this uh shooting
Speaker 1: going on and wounded elk and what have you, that
Speaker 1: there was just gonna be a whole bunch of tickets written.
Speaker 1: Out of the whole thing. There were only five tickets written.
Speaker 1: I think it was uh fifty the elk were killed,
Speaker 1: and the citations were fairly minor. Greg Lemon said, we
Speaker 1: didn't write as many tickets as you'd think. Hunters were
Speaker 1: fortunate that not more elk were injured. But he went
Speaker 1: on to say unethical hunting, even it strictly speaking legal,
Speaker 1: makes all hunters look bad. It kind of gives the
Speaker 1: hunting community as a whole black guy. So he was
Speaker 1: he was saying, despite their only being a handful of tickets,
Speaker 1: this was not a good deal. It was not on
Speaker 1: the up and up, this flock shooting of elk, and
Speaker 1: they said that they were certainly wounded elk that got away.
Speaker 1: There's just like not much as far as citations like
Speaker 1: me written at this time. I've seen that on the news.
Speaker 1: Um was it an organized effort? But that's where that
Speaker 1: was my first thought, as how did they get a
Speaker 1: hundred people? I talked to a warden once that worked
Speaker 1: a case where it was where these guys got onto
Speaker 1: a herd and we're texting, which is illegal. You can't
Speaker 1: use two way electronic communications to coordinate. So if someone
Speaker 1: was saying like hey, i'll go around this way, you
Speaker 1: go around that way over text or whatever, illegal, But
Speaker 1: then yet start seizing phone records and I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of b amazed in that area that
Speaker 1: I would have in mind, like where this took place,
Speaker 1: and there's like major roads that kind of run through them.
Speaker 1: I would imagine that this happened were like a couple
Speaker 1: of guys started shooting, the elk running and just like
Speaker 1: they happened to pass by more and more people as
Speaker 1: they went. I doubt that it was like one hundred
Speaker 1: people within a you know, a couple of minutes span shooting.
Speaker 1: It's probably was drawn out throughout the morning. Well, and
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to say it, but the same longer,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, this is this is far more common
Speaker 1: than than we might like to think. I saw a
Speaker 1: very similar thing happened quite a few years ago. Um,
Speaker 1: and I think kind of what happens is like these
Speaker 1: these elk get pushed out onto their winter range and
Speaker 1: then everybody sees them, and everybody's got the same idea. Oh,
Speaker 1: I've got the I've got the secret. I know where
Speaker 1: they're at. And that that's exactly what happened. We knew
Speaker 1: where a herd was, we knew where they were going
Speaker 1: up into the foothills, and we hiked in up above
Speaker 1: in the in the dark, and then as it was
Speaker 1: getting light, you know, we're seeing all these elk down
Speaker 1: in the bottom of this valley. But then there's two
Speaker 1: hunters over, there's two hunters over, there's another guy coming
Speaker 1: up behind them. They're just We're like, oh, well, this
Speaker 1: wasn't a big secret. We everybody else figured this out too,
Speaker 1: and they didn't really come close to us. But as
Speaker 1: first light came in, people were just ripping at these things,
Speaker 1: like right into the herd. There's probably not seventy five elk,
Speaker 1: I think twelve hunters and we probably heard fifty shots
Speaker 1: in the first hour. And there's there's a rag horn
Speaker 1: bowl that got hit in the back legs. It was
Speaker 1: dragging its back legs across the field for half a
Speaker 1: mile and this guy is just like ripping shots at
Speaker 1: eight hundred yards and miss miss miss miss. It was.
Speaker 1: It was awful, man, it was the It was the
Speaker 1: worst thing I've ever seen in the field. And we
Speaker 1: just like we got out of there, mostly because like
Speaker 1: people were shooting our direction, We're trying to get out,
Speaker 1: and I mean, if I don't like hunting around other
Speaker 1: hunters in general, but like it was, it was appalling.
Speaker 1: You gotta one of the things you gotta think about
Speaker 1: when that happens is for each individual just being present,
Speaker 1: you can't like condemn someone for being present because like
Speaker 1: you said, they like noticed a good play for opening morning,
Speaker 1: and so what are they supposed to like back out
Speaker 1: because other people notice the same thing. But then I
Speaker 1: guess the part that you're the actual part would be
Speaker 1: like if you're shooting into a ball and when they
Speaker 1: get scared, they start to ball up when you're shooting
Speaker 1: into a ball of something, I mean, that's then that
Speaker 1: becomes the questionable thing. But just the fact that like
Speaker 1: a bunch of people showed up and you were there too,
Speaker 1: Like you can't like damn someone for that. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: this area where I was in is is is like
Speaker 1: in the Montana hunting culture is known for this near Anaconda.
Speaker 1: People call him Anna Commandos, that that guy that guys
Speaker 1: will like group hunt these these elk herds on their
Speaker 1: on their winter range. So I think a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff happens every year, maybe not on this scale,
Speaker 1: but I mean cal just sent me a story out
Speaker 1: of Washington where they like finally caught these guys who
Speaker 1: would chase elk with chase elk with trucks and in
Speaker 1: a very coordinated fashion. My buddy, my late friend Eric
Speaker 1: Current was hunting the bridges one time, and he was
Speaker 1: looking down and watched on an opening day, watched guys
Speaker 1: come out with trucks and corral and heard elk and
Speaker 1: kill a bunch of them. And he wouldn't call, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't report it. Yeah, apparently apparently locals knew knew about this,
Speaker 1: knew about these guys for years and years. Um, But
Speaker 1: there are some kind of prominent ranchers in the group,
Speaker 1: and it was on private ground. But apparently it was
Speaker 1: some some out of towners who reported it who didn't
Speaker 1: have like the the local repercussions. But I got in
Speaker 1: touch with the word and about that, I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: running down that story writing it for the site. Pretty interesting, Spencer,
Speaker 1: You ought to, Um, do you mind calling and getting
Speaker 1: a hold of that that landowner and asking if he
Speaker 1: was asking if he was like great, because a lot
Speaker 1: of guys don't want elk keating their crops. She's like, yeah, man, good,
Speaker 1: that's not a big area. It's probably easy to track down. Like,
Speaker 1: I would love to hear his perspective on it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He might be like I got no problem with it,
Speaker 1: or he might be like, dude, I'm not doing this anymore.
Speaker 1: My brother is involved in a He's involved in the
Speaker 1: effort and runs this effort to uh thank to to
Speaker 1: to like appreciation days for people ranchers who enroll in
Speaker 1: black management. So he's found that the thing people need
Speaker 1: it's expensive and and like much appreciator calf shelters. So
Speaker 1: he puts his efforts into the raising money to buy
Speaker 1: cap or whatever else people need. But in certain areas
Speaker 1: it's like an expensive thing that people really want or
Speaker 1: much appreciated. He tries to buy cat. He raises money
Speaker 1: to buy calf shelters to give to ranchers who enroll
Speaker 1: in black management, and then they throw a party for
Speaker 1: people to come out, and they try to entertain them,
Speaker 1: feed them and give them door prizes and gifts in
Speaker 1: order to help encourage that guy might need a little
Speaker 1: morale boost. Well yeah, and that's guys might need a
Speaker 1: couple of calf shehild because that's a great thing to do.
Speaker 1: Man and and and the block. The number of acres
Speaker 1: enrolled in block management has been declining in recent years,
Speaker 1: and I know that hunter behavior is one of the
Speaker 1: leading reasons that people will pull land out of that program.
Speaker 1: So anything hunters can do to to thank folks who
Speaker 1: let them on their property is huge and I always
Speaker 1: always try to try to send a thanks, give some
Speaker 1: meat or whatever you can do, because it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a huge benefit to the to the public. Steve.
Speaker 1: I thought in the past, you've predicted how you will
Speaker 1: someday die. Was it heart disease that you said that
Speaker 1: you your prediction was, well, yeah, because the number one
Speaker 1: killer of people in my age was opioid overdose. You
Speaker 1: know maybe that So I'm gonna segue now. I'm segueing
Speaker 1: now into the heart disease there, like because people you know,
Speaker 1: like making sausage. Last night we were answering like common
Speaker 1: sausage questions. It was like, what about nitrates and nitrates
Speaker 1: something like, dude, put a little pink salt into some
Speaker 1: corned elk. I just like, that's not like when I die.
Speaker 1: They're not the doctor, the medical Examiner's not gonna be
Speaker 1: like was he putting pink salt in his corn dollar.
Speaker 1: It's just not gonna be what happens. There's a bonus
Speaker 1: bit of reporting in this great false Tribune article. This
Speaker 1: is related to the elk. Yeah, yeah, that they snuck
Speaker 1: into the last paragraph heart attack author, I have many
Speaker 1: questions about it, says Meager County under Sheriff Jeremy WESTR. Mar.
Speaker 1: It's pronounced mar. You say that Mark I butchered that.
Speaker 1: Then little Montana history Thomas Mary that I was calling
Speaker 1: it meager for you, you need to look into into
Speaker 1: into Thomas Mar. He Uh he was one of the
Speaker 1: man like first politicians in Montana. But his death was
Speaker 1: really like mysterious. He got like thrown off a paddle
Speaker 1: boat in the Missouri Uh like I no, like, uh
Speaker 1: what do he called? He wasn't doing stand up paddle board? No,
Speaker 1: you know, like the paddle paddle barges that they take.
Speaker 1: Is that the calling the right thing? Paddle boat? But yeah,
Speaker 1: stand up pad paddle boat? Yeah yeah, But he's fascinating character.
Speaker 1: There's a bar in Missoula called the Thomas Mar Bar. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's yeah. M e A g h e er
Speaker 1: no idea big for two years and then you fixed
Speaker 1: your system. Who corrected you when you lived in that county?
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, my I'm on I'm
Speaker 1: on Yellowstone Street in town and one black over. You
Speaker 1: weren't mispronouncing that Meager Street or or mar Stream, So
Speaker 1: whenever I would drive by, there's probably a time I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, with a with a friend in
Speaker 1: the car who knew better saying, oh yeah, you just that.
Speaker 1: Oh there's Meager Street and you go down there, like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean Meager? Look at the sign M
Speaker 1: E A G h R And they're like her in Sweetheart,
Speaker 1: that's just not right. Let me let me let me
Speaker 1: hit you real quick with his his history, because it's
Speaker 1: way crazier than I was suggesting. Um. He was an
Speaker 1: Irish nationalist leader of Young Irelanders. Um in a rebellion
Speaker 1: in eight convicted of sedition and sent to Tasmania. And
Speaker 1: then he escaped Tasmania and got to the United States.
Speaker 1: You know what this guy like the pull of cord. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh then joined in the American Civil War, rose
Speaker 1: to the rank of brigadier general. You know what that means,
Speaker 1: brigadier general. No, that's what Custer was. It means that
Speaker 1: all the generals are getting killed off and you and
Speaker 1: you gotta make like temporary general appointments. Ah, And I
Speaker 1: wasn't tracking. Yeah, if I'm reading, I'm reading about he
Speaker 1: was appointed two as the Secretary of State of Montana
Speaker 1: of Montana Territory and eventually became the territorial governor. But
Speaker 1: he uh yeah it was. He drowned in eighteen sixty
Speaker 1: seven after falling from a steamboat and Fort Benton. The
Speaker 1: cause of his death is disputed by historians, with various
Speaker 1: hypotheses including weakness from dysenterry, intoxication, suicide, or murder m HM.
Speaker 1: Timothy Egan wrote and wrote a wrote a book about him.
Speaker 1: Really ye before he started hit it big damn the
Speaker 1: drinking Man's bio man um. That's great. So the mar
Speaker 1: County undership. So you're talking about the article that he
Speaker 1: got served below this article or they worked in the art.
Speaker 1: They just work it into the end. I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's like not really relevant, but it's like interesting. And
Speaker 1: this is what I have more questions about than the
Speaker 1: flock shooting. Elk Mark County under Sheriff Jeremy West said
Speaker 1: one of the hunters in the group later died from
Speaker 1: a heart complication that was unrelated to the incident. The
Speaker 1: person's name was not immediately released. That had to add
Speaker 1: like chaos on chaos out there. Where do they threw
Speaker 1: it in though it wasn't related? Are you sure, But
Speaker 1: I imagine like somebody who was maybe also in that
Speaker 1: area but like didn't wasn't aware of what was going on.
Speaker 1: Maybe like so an ambulance or an airlifted or like
Speaker 1: a helicopter. They're clarifying for people, and maybe I assume
Speaker 1: so because that had to like add questions to this
Speaker 1: whole event. And then they're like, oh, someone got shot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta make some calls, man, you gotta do some
Speaker 1: investigative journalism. But now now I'm hung up on Thomas Marr.
Speaker 1: That into your sure that that trumps the rest of this.
Speaker 1: I think, all right, we gott let's move on quick.
Speaker 1: So what we got get to get to our guests.
Speaker 1: We've got two things we got covered. So just recently
Speaker 1: we had an episode, what was that episode called Oh
Speaker 1: good good people for a good Country. We talked about
Speaker 1: how utahns Is that what you would say, are Utah
Speaker 1: is a trial that the team, Yeah, that's what Utah
Speaker 1: is named after. It though, is that trap? But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be completely wrong. I believe it is Utahn's um
Speaker 1: at at the election have a ballot measure, and it's
Speaker 1: whether or not to encode to codify the right to
Speaker 1: hunting fish in Utah. And we were talking about when
Speaker 1: we were covering this piece of news with the guests
Speaker 1: from Utah, who's who who introduced this bill for the state?
Speaker 1: We're talking about where does this Where do the things
Speaker 1: find their teeth? Like, let's say a state has a
Speaker 1: state right to hunting fish. They have a constitutional right
Speaker 1: to hunting fish, Like what does that mean? Like where
Speaker 1: does the rubber meet the road on that? Just so
Speaker 1: happens that, Um, we now have the first lawsuit in
Speaker 1: this state. This is you know, this is local news
Speaker 1: for us, but national news for everybody else. I think
Speaker 1: it's fair to say because for the first time someone's
Speaker 1: doing a suit suing the state, the governor, fishing Game,
Speaker 1: various people using the right to hunt and fish as
Speaker 1: their argument. What they're doing is there's a conservation group.
Speaker 1: What's the name of that group? Idin't heard of them.
Speaker 1: I kind of like them though. Outdoor Heritage Coalition, the
Speaker 1: Outdoor Heritage Coalition is suing the state governor and Fishing
Speaker 1: Game Office and others under the right to hunting fish thing.
Speaker 1: They're suing the state for putting for putting what they
Speaker 1: regard as being too conservative of a quota around the
Speaker 1: wolf harvest. It's infringing on the right to hunt fish
Speaker 1: because wolves are decimating elk numbers in these areas. So
Speaker 1: they're saying, by you putting an unnecessary cap on the
Speaker 1: killing of overpopulated wolves, you are infringing on our right
Speaker 1: to hunting fish because you're allowing all of our game
Speaker 1: to get decimated, which is sly buying it. Are they
Speaker 1: even reaching quotas currently for wolves? I mean, I felt
Speaker 1: like that was like I felt like the bottleneck for
Speaker 1: wolf reduction was hunter effort because they're hard as hell
Speaker 1: to kill. Yeah, it was easy for a couple of minutes,
Speaker 1: then it got hard. Yeah, they got smart and they
Speaker 1: have huge, uge territories and they're just slide bastards. You
Speaker 1: rarely see them just telling you what to do a
Speaker 1: follow up report. That's interesting, But I bring it up
Speaker 1: only because, um, we're talking about when does it When
Speaker 1: does the when does like, if you have the right
Speaker 1: to hunt fish, when does that actually even become a
Speaker 1: like it's like, Okay, that's all good and fine, but
Speaker 1: where is it exercised? And so this is an example
Speaker 1: of someone trying to exercise it. Uh, Sam, just pull
Speaker 1: up a little map showing um, a map shows which
Speaker 1: states have a constitutional right to hunt fish. If you're
Speaker 1: into conspiracy theories, I think you should explore the fact.
Speaker 1: I would explore the fact that the states when you
Speaker 1: look at a US map were the states that have
Speaker 1: Do you like how they put it in red? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What how do they use for when you don't gray? No?
Speaker 1: What's California? That's for legislation on constitutional right to hunting
Speaker 1: fish is pending? Oh? I like it that they put
Speaker 1: red as you have the right to hunt fish, get
Speaker 1: for it is the only blue one. There's also a
Speaker 1: Rhode Island, but that so it's it's California. Is good
Speaker 1: because it's pending, but they'll never anyhow. This is three
Speaker 1: years old, so that was probably If you're in a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories though, you might want to look at this
Speaker 1: map because the states that have a right to hunting
Speaker 1: fish form a circle. Let me see Sam with a
Speaker 1: hole in the middle. Huh. I think there's something to
Speaker 1: be delved into there that's not accidental. What are the
Speaker 1: two gray ones r out there in the middle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what he's talking about. That's that's South Dakota, Iowa
Speaker 1: Missouri and Illinois. So good, lefty anti Illinois don't have
Speaker 1: the right to hunt? Those are big Well, the constitutional right,
Speaker 1: you know that there's there's the right to hunt and
Speaker 1: fish in all of these states, but some some states
Speaker 1: have have chosen to say that it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a god given right that you can that you
Speaker 1: can hunt and fish. Which yeah, I'm I've always been
Speaker 1: interested to know, like where the rubber meets the road.
Speaker 1: They're like, like, how you use it? Yeah, So I mean,
Speaker 1: if if that were to pass in California, like the
Speaker 1: only thing that comes to mind is how California, you know,
Speaker 1: banned for trapping even with that, Well here's here. This
Speaker 1: sound constitutional even in a hard hit and hunting in
Speaker 1: fishing state like Utah. Um. He they didn't put trapping
Speaker 1: on there because they don't want to muddy the waters
Speaker 1: and lose popularity. But he said, it's actually it's there's
Speaker 1: an implication there. It's like implied the cover trapping and
Speaker 1: should be used. But if you put trapping on there
Speaker 1: to lose support, that's interesting. That's where you got to
Speaker 1: use it to because because this says that Montana has
Speaker 1: a constitutional right to hunting fish which I did not know,
Speaker 1: but I mean it makes sense. But yeah, there's that
Speaker 1: legislation introduced like every time to ban trapping on public land.
Speaker 1: So I wonder where that where that falls because they're
Speaker 1: too chicken to put trapping on there. Dude, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: once I get done fighting hunters or laws and get
Speaker 1: the whole everything reduced to just the hunter's orange hat
Speaker 1: is all you need. I'm gonna take up right to trap.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Uh, what else do we want to
Speaker 1: talk about? That? Not much to say about that. Um,
Speaker 1: if you're in Colorado and you were one of the
Speaker 1: what I'm predicting to be you were one of the
Speaker 1: minority of people who voted against making the state draw
Speaker 1: up a wolf reintroduction plan, I applaud you because they're
Speaker 1: arriving on their own. They're there now anyway. That's the
Speaker 1: path to take. That's the path to take. So thank you,
Speaker 1: even though I'm sure you lost. Uh, one last thing, guys,
Speaker 1: are you okay? I'm good? One last thing? Okay, hit it, Spencer,
Speaker 1: Oh wait, we need the introe thing, the lasting I
Speaker 1: don't remember. Oh, speaking of suing people, how's that for
Speaker 1: a segue? I get I sent you the article to
Speaker 1: do a little report on it. Oh, I I don't
Speaker 1: have anything to re point. You're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: produce a better report than I. Okay. One of the things,
Speaker 1: um right now, I'm extremely uh disheartened with the Trump
Speaker 1: administration over their decision to lift roadless rules in Tongas
Speaker 1: and open up like half of Tongas National Forest to
Speaker 1: logging and road building. That's a pisser. But what I
Speaker 1: have been applauding them for is opening up a bunch
Speaker 1: of US wildlife refuges where appropriate, opening up hunting and
Speaker 1: fishing on a bunch of US wildlife refuges and fish
Speaker 1: hatchers and stuff, so creating more acreage for Americans to
Speaker 1: hunt and fish. The Center for Biological Diversity is suing
Speaker 1: them so that they can't trying to stop that from
Speaker 1: happening under the Endangered Species Act, which I'm interested to
Speaker 1: see that complaint because they didn't open it up to
Speaker 1: hunting endangered species. That's the thing I think that these
Speaker 1: people haven't read the I think that the Center for
Speaker 1: Biological Diversity hasn't read up on what it is. I
Speaker 1: had to like, Oh, they're gonna start hunting endangered species.
Speaker 1: They can't do that. It's like, no, they're not gonna
Speaker 1: start hunting dangered species. They're allowed to hunt the normal
Speaker 1: ship that everybody gets to hunt per state rules on
Speaker 1: refuges where it makes sense, which you can already do
Speaker 1: in a bunch of them. Anyway, it opens up an
Speaker 1: additional three thousand six square miles. You can hunt shiploads
Speaker 1: of refuge land already. It's opening up some additional ones.
Speaker 1: And they assume as though this is one of those
Speaker 1: groups that like, there are a lot of things. One
Speaker 1: of the things they are is an anti hunting organization.
Speaker 1: Every you will never I challenge a listener to send
Speaker 1: me a thing where the Center for Biological Diversity hasn't
Speaker 1: taken a knee jerk reaction against hunting. No, that's what
Speaker 1: they do. But they're like when I tell friends, oh,
Speaker 1: it's like ANNI hunting group. Oh no, they're not, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there they are. It's not there like mission. But they
Speaker 1: emerge as a nitpicky, like a very nitpicky like yeah,
Speaker 1: any issues, like let me guess, let me guess, let
Speaker 1: me guess. They're gonna be uh. Their stands will be
Speaker 1: antagonistic to the interests of hunters and fishermen. Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: Is there any national fish hatchery that you can hunt on? Well,
Speaker 1: there's not that I've ever done. But I know there's
Speaker 1: some fish hatcheries that have some sizeable holdings, and it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be in there if it wasn't. I haven't looked
Speaker 1: at I haven't looked at the fish hatchery component. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's probably some fish hatchery that's got a couple of
Speaker 1: thousand akers. One man, there's some giant ones in Washington
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't be wouldn't be at all surprised to
Speaker 1: know that hunting was allowed and totally would fit in
Speaker 1: with the management now fishing the fish hatchery. That could
Speaker 1: be good well in Washington, in Washington, That's the whole point.
Speaker 1: I got another one. You're always people are always piled
Speaker 1: up right around the hatchery hole. We used to call
Speaker 1: it the There's one particular one we called the crack
Speaker 1: pipe because there's just this one cast that you wanted
Speaker 1: to make because all these steel head would pull in
Speaker 1: right below the outflow of the hatchery because they get that,
Speaker 1: they get that sent you know that they come back
Speaker 1: to and you can you had if you could make
Speaker 1: this one tricky cast up into into the concrete outflow
Speaker 1: of the hatchery. You would catch your steel head nearly
Speaker 1: every time. Yeah, I'm probably really excited about it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So a bit more on this than we're gonna wrap
Speaker 1: this up. So the in this country we have in
Speaker 1: the in the US of A, we have five d
Speaker 1: and fifty wildlife refuges. Um this this move this additional
Speaker 1: three thousand, six hundred square miles. We'll bump it up
Speaker 1: to where you can now hunt on four thirty refuges
Speaker 1: fourty of the five fifty, you can fish on three
Speaker 1: hundred sixty of the five fifty. Has implications for people
Speaker 1: in thirty seven states. I think it's a common misconception
Speaker 1: in in then in the public sphere that wildlife refugees
Speaker 1: exclude hunting. I mean, and and honestly, the the naming
Speaker 1: isn't isn't that great? You know, it seems like a
Speaker 1: ref refuge where animals can go flee from US horrible
Speaker 1: hunters or something where they flee from development. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And and I've I've corrected people on this tons of
Speaker 1: times that like this is this is a habitat refuge,
Speaker 1: this is this is undeveloped land. This is, but it's
Speaker 1: it's it's meant for the it's meant for people's enjoyment.
Speaker 1: And there are I mean, how like half of Alaska's
Speaker 1: National wildlife refuges. I mean not half, but like giant,
Speaker 1: giant portions, and all of it's wide open to hunting.
Speaker 1: So I think I think there's I think there's a
Speaker 1: broad misunderstanding that we could correct. Uh, you know, in
Speaker 1: the in the public, that that hunting is a is
Speaker 1: an important management tool on our national wildlife refuge system.
Speaker 1: You know where I bet I'll be allied with the
Speaker 1: Center for Biological Diversity. I bet you I could guarant
Speaker 1: damn t they're annoyed about the Tongas ruling. I'm certain
Speaker 1: they are. So maybe me, maybe we can find a
Speaker 1: little friendship and hug over that. Here's a question for you,
Speaker 1: Cody Cannon Whiskey Myers's gonna don't tell crant I asked
Speaker 1: you this. I'm not asking you what any songs mean,
Speaker 1: But why is it offensive that people ask you what
Speaker 1: a song means? No, I didn't say it was offensive.
Speaker 1: We were talking about yeah, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: know what they mean. But why does that bother you
Speaker 1: because I would feel no, no, go ahead, yeah no.
Speaker 1: We were just talking about how people take how you
Speaker 1: can ride a song and people, I'm I wrote it,
Speaker 1: and I think it means one thing. You got a
Speaker 1: different idea of what it meant because it meant something
Speaker 1: different to you. You you know, it's all different, and
Speaker 1: I think there's some magic in that. I think that's me.
Speaker 1: Don't ask that question. And it's like, nah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to. I want to come with you now. They're like,
Speaker 1: when I hear this, it gives me this feeling of
Speaker 1: I said, my brother a song, that's that's that's cooler.
Speaker 1: It's like abstract art. Yeah, it's like it's it's a
Speaker 1: n eyes older and it could be so far out
Speaker 1: and left field and you're like, yeah, but it means
Speaker 1: that to them, And like, what did I say? I
Speaker 1: said it was like when you read a book and
Speaker 1: you have a character in your mind and you see
Speaker 1: the movie and they don't look anything like that. It's
Speaker 1: like the same thing. It's like, it's like you ever
Speaker 1: watched the movie The Road. Yeah, in the end, yeah,
Speaker 1: Corn McCarthy's The Road in the end, it's you know,
Speaker 1: a little boys dad dies and he wanders out to
Speaker 1: your road and gets picked up. This guy Cort McCarthy
Speaker 1: describes him in the book as being like he looks
Speaker 1: like he survived many skirmishes and anyways, the dude in
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, I'm like, that's not who
Speaker 1: that is. I was like, I had that's way off
Speaker 1: the image I built with very little information. See I
Speaker 1: read that book after reading the movie or after watching
Speaker 1: the movie. So so yeah, so, which I hate, which
Speaker 1: I hate doing because then the movie informs it because
Speaker 1: then and then you don't have there's less creativity going
Speaker 1: in on the reader's perspective. That's a really job. I
Speaker 1: like that answer. I was expecting to be annoyed by
Speaker 1: your answer. That's a great answer. I don't hate it,
Speaker 1: but it was just like I like it to be
Speaker 1: open into interpretation, especially on some songs. I don't have
Speaker 1: any specific ones in mind, but you know, people get different,
Speaker 1: different ideas, and I think that's cool. Well, I was
Speaker 1: telling him this morning that that his song frog Man
Speaker 1: must be about fishing frog baits or bass. That's what
Speaker 1: that's what it means to me. And ain't when nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna tell me different. What did you hear. In response,
Speaker 1: he said, huh, I sent my brother, Uh you're here.
Speaker 1: Uh Sturgell Simpson cover that song when you Need a Friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the promise, Yeah, the promise. Yeah, I said to my brother.
Speaker 1: And he wrote me back saying how it reminded him
Speaker 1: of his first dog. It felt like it was about
Speaker 1: or reminded him of his first dog dying exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, you can't say, well, that's not
Speaker 1: what it's about by a guy. Yeah, it's cool to say.
Speaker 1: I know people want to hear that sometimes, but sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like I just let it, just let it be,
Speaker 1: you know, especially like before the album comes out, we'll
Speaker 1: do a lot of questions and stuff and they'll be
Speaker 1: like I want you to explain each song and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. It's like, nah, but that feels so reductive
Speaker 1: it right, And it's like, tell me, tell me literally
Speaker 1: what the thing is, so that this is how I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to think and about it instead of having your
Speaker 1: own relationship to hearing your music. Yea thousand percent, that's
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I meant. Um do you are
Speaker 1: you able to share with fans and listeners, like if
Speaker 1: they say here's what I think about when I hear it. Um,
Speaker 1: do you then have do you then refrain from saying
Speaker 1: that's great? Um? I love it. You're right, here's what
Speaker 1: I was thinking. Or do you not even do that?
Speaker 1: You'd pulling the Trump card? No, yeah, it's just I
Speaker 1: don't remember. I probably different responses to it. But it's
Speaker 1: it's cool. Whatever they think are more than that. They
Speaker 1: would probably ask ask you like, hey, what does this mean?
Speaker 1: And that's cool, you know, but you know, not necessarily
Speaker 1: in like an interview telling everybody what it's supposed to me.
Speaker 1: Did that mean that? It's like, no, it was actually
Speaker 1: about this. It's like a little bit different. So that's
Speaker 1: how I would do that. I see your colleague here
Speaker 1: as a Stones tattoo. Oh yeah, did you get that
Speaker 1: after the show? Got it? Literally? I got it in
Speaker 1: Seattle that day. Yeah, after we we played Immigrant here
Speaker 1: in Montana. I was at that show, went to went
Speaker 1: to Soldier Field, played that, and then we startled back
Speaker 1: around to Seattle at the I guess the Neptune and
Speaker 1: then I got it there. Chris introduced herself, Um, Chris Poe, uh,
Speaker 1: content creator for Whiskey Myers, that that was a big
Speaker 1: deal on when it was it cool too. When you
Speaker 1: guys tell people little bit about that you want up
Speaker 1: having sort of uhum, a sort of endorsement of sorts
Speaker 1: from the Stones. Yeah. Just uh we got to open
Speaker 1: up a show for them at Soldier Field in Chicago. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's just one of those things that's, like they say,
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime, that's like a never in a
Speaker 1: laf thing. Uh. And you know they they pick and
Speaker 1: a and a proved. I think Mick does all the
Speaker 1: all the bands that get to open for them, So
Speaker 1: just to be able to do that was really special. U.
Speaker 1: That's a there were a huge influence, uh to me
Speaker 1: personally in the band. Also, you know, it's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite bands, if not my favorite band. Yeah. How
Speaker 1: could the best stuff about America be written by some
Speaker 1: British dudes? Hey, but they were at Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: understood America way better than Americans. Well, they were trying
Speaker 1: to sing the blues man and they love blues and
Speaker 1: country music and it come from America, come from the South.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting you think that they were like you
Speaker 1: think they had lived like six lifetimes in America. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're great. Um. Put it this way, like Jamie, our
Speaker 1: bass players said, we're talking about how how cool you
Speaker 1: know it would be. He was like, we could go
Speaker 1: and play Soldier Field and sell it out and it
Speaker 1: still wouldn't be as cool as playing, yeah, as opening
Speaker 1: for the Relling Stones that Soldier Field. So it was
Speaker 1: it was great. Which one of your bandmates is laid
Speaker 1: up right now from crashing a YouTube from crashing the
Speaker 1: side by side? What's that all about? That's John Man
Speaker 1: and you guys were hot dogging, not hot dogging. I
Speaker 1: wasn't there, You weren't even present. Now, he definitely was.
Speaker 1: John's always kind of been reckless with the NATV. Look
Speaker 1: close to you, I said, John has always been reckless
Speaker 1: with an ATV. So he was definitely hot dog And
Speaker 1: it was definitely And who's this now, John? What was
Speaker 1: he play? His name is John Jeffers. He's a guitar player.
Speaker 1: So tell what happened. It was in the pursuit of game.
Speaker 1: He was running down a herd out. He was literally
Speaker 1: he went to go cut one doughnut from a dead
Speaker 1: stop and he rolled it and uh, and he didn't
Speaker 1: have a seat built on watch Poke was actually with
Speaker 1: him and he was buckled in, Thank goodness. So he
Speaker 1: they Polk said they rolled three times. John said they
Speaker 1: rolled once. We don't really know, so nobody saw it
Speaker 1: except for them, but there's a dispute about whether it
Speaker 1: was three roles or one role. Yeah. So okay, he's
Speaker 1: out of stand still and he's like, let's cut a
Speaker 1: cookie for no reason. He was on one of these
Speaker 1: like jacked up like it was. It's a polarish racer.
Speaker 1: It's like this big, jacked up kind of top heavy
Speaker 1: top vehicles and it's very powerful. So he just gunned
Speaker 1: it and when he did, it just completely flipped over.
Speaker 1: And I don't think he definitely didn't think it would
Speaker 1: do that. It did. It was pretty serious. Actually, he
Speaker 1: has fine. He has fine by the way, he'll be.
Speaker 1: He's gonna make a full recover. He's good. He's very good.
Speaker 1: Uh what's your what's your guys connection? Um, Like, how
Speaker 1: did you get into hunting and fishing? Were you in
Speaker 1: the hunting fishing before music? Yeah? Way before? So talk
Speaker 1: through that, like you're like, I kind of like to
Speaker 1: hunting fish, but I kind of like music, Yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: Music was so foreign to me. I always it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I liked it. I loved you know music,
Speaker 1: you listen to music, your parents listen to music as
Speaker 1: a kid, but nobody what your parents listen to, um,
Speaker 1: you know, scannered, Mike Williams Jr. Alan Jackson, stuff like
Speaker 1: the typical stuff like that you're throwing Alan Jackson with
Speaker 1: Skinner and well, yeah, I would say, yeah, that would
Speaker 1: that would probably have been like the boys. They would
Speaker 1: have you know, like some you know, old rock, old country,
Speaker 1: and then they would have been listening to like the
Speaker 1: current stuff. That was a good job that. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I question that. Yeah, that all makes sense.
Speaker 1: You're conveying like a variety yeah, rather than a style
Speaker 1: of Yeah for sure, because we have a lot of variety.
Speaker 1: I think told you I'm thirty five, um so yeah.
Speaker 1: But playing music was kind of foreign to me because
Speaker 1: nobody in my immediate immediate family really played music or
Speaker 1: instruments or anything like that or wherever in a band.
Speaker 1: But we always fished in hunt. So if you would
Speaker 1: asked like that my younger self, I would have thought
Speaker 1: it would have been what would you do when you
Speaker 1: grow up? I would probably be like, Oh, I'm a
Speaker 1: fishing hunt, not playing music, And then that just did
Speaker 1: you poor? Yeah, we weren't super poor, but I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, middle class or lower middle class, like my
Speaker 1: mom cut hair and my dad worked it. You know,
Speaker 1: it was like a prison guard, so that's not super
Speaker 1: lucrative jobs. But anything, how did how did your dad
Speaker 1: handle being a prison guard? Was he did he get
Speaker 1: that kind of like anger or was he? No? Well
Speaker 1: he was cool? Where from? Not that? Not that that's
Speaker 1: not cool what I'm saying like that, that's a taxing job.
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm getting at. Yeah, it can be,
Speaker 1: because yeah, they have to deal with a lot of
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. But where we're from, that's like I think,
Speaker 1: like everybody in my family worked at the prison because
Speaker 1: there's like seven prisons outside of our area, and so
Speaker 1: when you're from our area, you either leave or you
Speaker 1: work for Walmart or the prison system. And so we're
Speaker 1: from Palestine, Texas around around there. I'm actually from Nature's
Speaker 1: which is about ten miles, uh, fifteen miles outside of Palestine,
Speaker 1: which is just in East Texas. You two grew up
Speaker 1: to go to, right, Chris, Yeah, we did. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: grew up playing playing baseball when we were young, since
Speaker 1: we were probably four or five, so that's kind of
Speaker 1: how we that's kind of how we met. And then
Speaker 1: bass fishing was always real big for us whenever we
Speaker 1: were growing up, and like our our dads would take
Speaker 1: their vacations around, like when we were on spring break
Speaker 1: and we would go to Lake fok and for years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's awesome. I want to hear. I want to hear
Speaker 1: you tell the audience about about your thoughts on eating bass.
Speaker 1: I said, it's a sin. Yeah, you know, people get all,
Speaker 1: you know, touchy about that and and I don't, you know,
Speaker 1: if if that's what you want to do, I don't care.
Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me. But I always throw them back,
Speaker 1: you know. But you have you ever eaten a large both?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I'm sure I have when I was younger,
Speaker 1: but not recently or anything. So you guys knew each
Speaker 1: other at four or five and I was and you
Speaker 1: were already fishing. Fishing was in your family's Yeah, you
Speaker 1: guys have do you guys have boats and stuff? Back then?
Speaker 1: He's like bank fisherman. Yeah, my dad had an old
Speaker 1: champion that we look like, rigged out for bad. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I never had a boat until I was older, so
Speaker 1: it was just pond hopping unless I got to go
Speaker 1: with like with y'all or like some of my dad's
Speaker 1: friends or something. But yeah, fishing and hunting. I mean
Speaker 1: this hell we grew up. That was just in our DNA.
Speaker 1: It's just it's like breathing. Did you guys eat I
Speaker 1: know you didn't eat those bass, but you guys grew
Speaker 1: up eating eating game and stuff from the family tar duck,
Speaker 1: some fish, yeah, cropping stuff like that dove. And then
Speaker 1: but your your parents split up when you were young? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: how did that play out? Um? Impact you? How did
Speaker 1: that impact your interests and whatnot? Um? As far as
Speaker 1: fishing and stuff that. I mean, it was still the
Speaker 1: same for me. But my mom remarried, uh my stepdad
Speaker 1: now and he was super big hunter and so we
Speaker 1: actually hit it off and we've been like best friends
Speaker 1: ever since when we would go. So that wasn't wasn't
Speaker 1: the problem. Yeah, that it didn't affect that at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think a lot about I don't want to spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time on this, but I think a
Speaker 1: lot about if I was the past way all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, um heart disease, Like let's say I died
Speaker 1: right now, addiction. It's that odied right now on opioids.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what I rather my wife wound up with
Speaker 1: a dude like my brother or something. Right, they're married,
Speaker 1: but let's say like some dude like basically exactly like me?
Speaker 1: Or would I rather she wound up with some dude
Speaker 1: way different? Yeah, not near as cool, just way different,
Speaker 1: Like which is uh, which is more palatable for me? Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think about that. If it
Speaker 1: was a dude way different, I'd be like, uh, boy ah,
Speaker 1: we must have been way mismatched or something. It was
Speaker 1: a dude just like me, I'd be like, oh sleep,
Speaker 1: So I like the basic parameters were okay. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so she wound up like with another hunter? Yeah, did
Speaker 1: you have to? Did you feel like if you if
Speaker 1: you're growing up and you have a stepdad and a
Speaker 1: dad and they both to go hunting? Yah? Was there?
Speaker 1: Did that create like jealousy and stuff with your dad? No?
Speaker 1: I was real fortunate. Uh, there was never any animosity.
Speaker 1: Everybody got along and they still get along in my family,
Speaker 1: So I know that it wasn't a bad thing where
Speaker 1: you know, the sad hates that sad or anything like that.
Speaker 1: That's one thing I would not be able to stomach. Dude, Yeah,
Speaker 1: some other guy taking my kid. Oh yeah, everything was Yeah.
Speaker 1: They always got along and stuff, which is good. You
Speaker 1: know you had Chris, you had the same situation, right, absolutely. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: our parents actually got a divorce around the same Our
Speaker 1: dad's roommates there for a while, so I kind of
Speaker 1: lived together when we were in sixth grades. Pretty much.
Speaker 1: You guys really stuck together. All of us really known
Speaker 1: each other in the band for the most part forever.
Speaker 1: We're just all from the same area. We grew up together.
Speaker 1: You know, what's it like? Uh, now that you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're you've had some I have not had having success
Speaker 1: and kind of like doing this thing that isn't on
Speaker 1: the radar people you grew up around. Is it challenging?
Speaker 1: Is it like that you lost your way and you're
Speaker 1: not one of us anymore? Like is that kind of
Speaker 1: stuff going? I don't know. I don't not to our
Speaker 1: face at least. Um, we haven't changed very much. We're
Speaker 1: kind of the same. I mean, obviously we're older and
Speaker 1: been around the world. See changed at a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I keep my blinders on. It sounds fake, but
Speaker 1: it's real. I mean we all do like I don't
Speaker 1: care about any of it. I just go out and
Speaker 1: do my do my thing. Um, you kind of have
Speaker 1: a little bit of a reputation for I want to
Speaker 1: get back to how you got into music, so don't
Speaker 1: forget that, but you have a you have a reputation
Speaker 1: as uh kind of playing by your own rules a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, and being a leary of not antagonistic
Speaker 1: tour but maybe leary of shy about into street stuff
Speaker 1: like maintaining control and all that. Do you feel that
Speaker 1: that's kind of Is that like an artistic thing or
Speaker 1: is that like a thing from growing up how you
Speaker 1: grew up. I'd say both. Um, yeah, well, I mean
Speaker 1: we just wanted to do our own thing. We wanted
Speaker 1: to play our own music. Some people get into music,
Speaker 1: I think, and they want to be famous, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't care. They want to be famous. Um, there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. But I don't think anybody in
Speaker 1: our band had that ever in mind. It was like,
Speaker 1: that's what you did. We played music. We're in a
Speaker 1: band now, that's what we do. And it was important
Speaker 1: for us to have our own style and have our
Speaker 1: own control. And I think that probably has to a
Speaker 1: little bit to do with your upbringing bringing her being
Speaker 1: a little bit you know, ignorant redneck. Now hell with that,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it my own way. Uh, but that
Speaker 1: was very important. It's still important to us. So that's
Speaker 1: why we've never signed any record deals or anything. We've
Speaker 1: always been independent and we always want to be I
Speaker 1: think I do. I don't. It's like, why the hell
Speaker 1: do I want a boss? Do you do? You feel
Speaker 1: a lot of calls about signing record deals we had,
Speaker 1: we've had, we'd have have had opportunities and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and we just it's just not for us, you know,
Speaker 1: especially with the band like us, we were a little different.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't fit a certain genre, a certain style,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they would even know what to
Speaker 1: do with this. What was genre would you like self
Speaker 1: identify with if you if you had I don't even
Speaker 1: like genures. I think I think that's just like a
Speaker 1: thing for selling. It should makes it easier for people
Speaker 1: to put it in a box and sell it, you know,
Speaker 1: for marketing and stuff. Uh. I'm not big on genres
Speaker 1: because like all the stuff that I like musically, had
Speaker 1: so much like for the Stones, for example, Like they
Speaker 1: wrote some of the best country songs every blues it
Speaker 1: was rock and roll. It was popping, says my favorite
Speaker 1: country band's rock band. Yeah, skinnered so many different influences,
Speaker 1: even stuff like Whalon Jennings and stuff that was rock
Speaker 1: and roll to those people back then in the country scene.
Speaker 1: So I was always a big fan of people who
Speaker 1: did different stuff. Isn't it funny with like Whalen that
Speaker 1: if you read about Whalen now people are like, I
Speaker 1: hate country except for that Whalen Jennings. And when Whalings
Speaker 1: Jennings time, it was like, hey country, yeah exactly. It's
Speaker 1: really like the you know, uh, I should tell you
Speaker 1: this about genres. It's kind of this interesting story. Uh.
Speaker 1: When I was in school, I took this class called
Speaker 1: the Literature of natural History, and you read everything from
Speaker 1: you know, like Henry David Throw, you know, like Walden
Speaker 1: and shipped all the way up into a book about
Speaker 1: what it's called like bioengineering or something basically how engineers
Speaker 1: can look at cobwebs and and make structural you know,
Speaker 1: like Honeycomb would give you like ideas about how to
Speaker 1: make structural design. Okay, and you know This guy that
Speaker 1: taught this class was hank I. Wish I could remember
Speaker 1: his last name. He died. Him and his wife both
Speaker 1: drowned in a canoeing accident. Um shortly after I took
Speaker 1: that class. They had a cabinet on an island. We're
Speaker 1: paddling out there and flipped and died. But it brings
Speaker 1: up an interesting thing with the genre question, because he
Speaker 1: was really interested in this idea of natural history writing,
Speaker 1: and he would find that these books that he loves
Speaker 1: so much were hard for people to locate and hard
Speaker 1: to identify. And as an example, he would go into
Speaker 1: a bookstore and find, like books that should be together,
Speaker 1: we're scattered all around. And he actually contacted the Library
Speaker 1: of Congress where they come up with like the numerical
Speaker 1: systems so identify books. He contacted the Library Congress and said,
Speaker 1: you guys have a problem where you're not seeing what
Speaker 1: makes these books like the same, and you need to
Speaker 1: find a way for bookstores and other people to like
Speaker 1: draw these parallels between these this type of literature. And
Speaker 1: then they actually invited him down. He did like a
Speaker 1: sabbatical and went down to design a to design a
Speaker 1: genre of literature. And you might instinctively like hate that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but in some way like helps people
Speaker 1: locate things. Yeah, it definitely, Um, it does for sure,
Speaker 1: But just up from the artistic side, I don't like
Speaker 1: to I would guess to answer that question, it would
Speaker 1: be kind of rock and roll country, M and blues
Speaker 1: would be that. I think our three main influence type thing.
Speaker 1: That would be the best. But as far as like
Speaker 1: putting a lane on it, I don't think I could
Speaker 1: put a you know, a specific genre. I know you didn't.
Speaker 1: You didn't say red dirty country, but I imagine you've
Speaker 1: had some dealings like with that industry. What red red
Speaker 1: dirt country? Oh? Um, I don't you guys do a
Speaker 1: better job than me. Yeah, so I guess that would
Speaker 1: be kind of a sub genre. Um, very hard, very
Speaker 1: popular in Texas, which tes in Oklahoma and the Midwest
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and a lot of those guys
Speaker 1: it's the same. It's kind of rock and it's kind
Speaker 1: of country. It's just it kind of takes everything a
Speaker 1: lot similar to like Americana. It's kind of like that
Speaker 1: from the outside, like red dirt country is a lot
Speaker 1: more wholesome and it's real and it's not like mainstream country,
Speaker 1: which is like super fake and sellouts and stuff. Is
Speaker 1: that these don't think mainstream country is wholesome? Is that
Speaker 1: the reality though, that like red dirt country is what
Speaker 1: it seems and it's like it's not like mainstream country
Speaker 1: or or do they like have the same kind of
Speaker 1: bullshit that you'd expect. Um, Well, any time you get
Speaker 1: into anything at all, there's a little bit of bullshit,
Speaker 1: But no, I think it's very honest, kind of pure
Speaker 1: still um And a lot of those guys, especially when
Speaker 1: we were younger, like the Jason Bowlands and the rag
Speaker 1: Weeds and reckless Kelleys and stuff like that, they were
Speaker 1: they were they were different, you know, And so I
Speaker 1: think I don't know if they necessarily I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly how the name got it, you know, where it
Speaker 1: comes from. I'm sure people even know, you know, older
Speaker 1: than them. I'm not sure about that, but I know
Speaker 1: it's you know, called that now. But yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just kind of the independent mindset, you know. But but
Speaker 1: like for somebody who likes redder country, they can continue
Speaker 1: to like it because it is like what it seems, right,
Speaker 1: It's not like yeah for sure good. Yeah, there's some
Speaker 1: bands I don't know if you know, I get I
Speaker 1: get Kelly. I'm saying like when you say like not
Speaker 1: what you can fill, I don't get it. It's it's
Speaker 1: not like Luke Brian, Kenny Chesney folks like that. You're
Speaker 1: saying like sometimes in mainstream you're getting a product that's
Speaker 1: not even controlled by the artist, that's really put together
Speaker 1: and not even them. It is independent and it's whether
Speaker 1: whatever that band sounds like it is actually realistically them.
Speaker 1: And I think I think yeah, like like Luke Brian
Speaker 1: would talk about shooting bucks, Copenhagen, pickup trucks, stuff like that, right,
Speaker 1: somebody probably wrote that because you think someone was like, hey,
Speaker 1: here's some keywords. But like red Dirk Country is just
Speaker 1: like like I said, I don't know a little more honest,
Speaker 1: what if they talk then they actually cheat Cogen? Oh
Speaker 1: you think you might not like the cope, right, But
Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious about, uh, you know what, what
Speaker 1: what is going through the minds of artists or non
Speaker 1: artists when they feel more comfortable defining themselves within a
Speaker 1: genre and what it is you feel like you might
Speaker 1: be bucking up against or not wanting to accept when
Speaker 1: people like are trying to are you this and this?
Speaker 1: Do you hit this category in this? Like what is that?
Speaker 1: What does that feel like for you? And sometimes you
Speaker 1: can just listen to an artist and you say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a rock and roll band, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: You can say, oh, that's country, that's straight up country,
Speaker 1: you know Cody Jinks great, pure country, that's country, you
Speaker 1: know where somebody like us, I mean one song might
Speaker 1: be country and the next songs like like mud and
Speaker 1: we're we're like gout see or something almost thrashing. So
Speaker 1: that's where it would be hard for me to do
Speaker 1: that because we do kind of go all over the place,
Speaker 1: And so I don't think you could say it's country
Speaker 1: or rock and roll it would you say, that's that's
Speaker 1: more authentic to like how you feel in a day
Speaker 1: and a song expresses like a mood and then it
Speaker 1: expresses and you can that that you're just expressing as
Speaker 1: a band all these kind of different Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: we just had a bunch of influences and we decided
Speaker 1: to play whatever the hell we wanted to, And so
Speaker 1: that's kind of why it's like that when we saw
Speaker 1: you guys um at the Old Saloon and Immigrant last summer.
Speaker 1: I know, me and all my friends were a little
Speaker 1: bit taken aback because I think I think you had
Speaker 1: you know, you're some of your allids have have become
Speaker 1: a little bit more more prominent and popular and you know,
Speaker 1: really beautiful, really really captivating. But you guys rocked out
Speaker 1: way harder than we are especially expecting. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: it we're we're going there expecting more more of like
Speaker 1: a more of like a full you know, country kind
Speaker 1: of show, and it was a full on rock show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially live at it. Yeah, we lack to rock. It's fun,
Speaker 1: especially for the lab things. People gravitate towards the ballads
Speaker 1: and slow songs. That's just people. People like sad songs.
Speaker 1: That's just kind of There's even a song I like
Speaker 1: called said songs. Yeah. I think I've heard that we
Speaker 1: read sad songs. Yeah. Um, it's true. It's a true statement. Man,
Speaker 1: people dig sad songs. It's like, oh, you want a
Speaker 1: sad song? Do you call this song sad songs? Um?
Speaker 1: What percentage? And I'm not gonna ask you what any
Speaker 1: ship means, but what percentage? What percentage of your music
Speaker 1: would you say is informed by it is informed by hunting, fishing,
Speaker 1: outdoor pursuits. Like even even in terms of the vernacular,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of vernacular. I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't have any songs about hunting and fishing per se.
Speaker 1: But they'll they'll say stuff in them. You know, gasoline
Speaker 1: has a line. I think frog band has a line
Speaker 1: in it. Um, that load of a Southern Man has
Speaker 1: that line. And so there's there's things that you could tell, yeah,
Speaker 1: like like like like terminology or references or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but not necessarily like, hey, I'm going fishing today. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite lyrics, I'm taking that ship man. Well,
Speaker 1: that one starts with I don't mind work and I
Speaker 1: love to fish the son of a Bitch. The first
Speaker 1: time I heard that, I'm like, yeah, I resonate with that. Uh.
Speaker 1: Do you so always like to ask people who are
Speaker 1: like somewhat in the you know, at least somewhat are
Speaker 1: all the way in the black eye? Um? Do you
Speaker 1: A lot of people who are interested in the blood sports,
Speaker 1: um get to a point where they feel they need
Speaker 1: to draw some separation because it's a liability. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: never be like that, but do you understand why they
Speaker 1: do it? Have you have you been in a situation where,
Speaker 1: like I did, almost be easier if I had just
Speaker 1: like it wasn't associated uh not too hot attle bit.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, uh, are European fans are not
Speaker 1: down with hunting and stuff like that? But it's it
Speaker 1: just comes from ignorance. Like when I when I had
Speaker 1: all those pictures of the hogs and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: you know, they were like everybody was bitching and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I was like, shout, I guess I shouldn't even
Speaker 1: have posted that. But but you thought that for a minute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know whatever, but not to just
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I'm not gonna hunt and all that stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would never do that. That's just who
Speaker 1: I am. I'm not I'm not changing. I have no
Speaker 1: interest in changing to be bigger or famous or have
Speaker 1: more money or anything like that. I'm completely fine with
Speaker 1: how I am. Do you where do you draw your
Speaker 1: main You mentioned like hearing from European fans. You mean
Speaker 1: like in social media comments. Yeah, supposedly they were lack
Speaker 1: up six we killed a bunch of pigs, and they
Speaker 1: comes from ignorance. They didn't know that they're wanted an
Speaker 1: invasive species, so they shouldn't even have been there, and
Speaker 1: we shot a bunch of ducks yesterday. They're not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they probably would freak out about that too, But
Speaker 1: that was really it. I don't think we've had a
Speaker 1: lot of backlash other than that. But I don't have
Speaker 1: social media or anything like that, So even if they
Speaker 1: were talking a lot of ship, I wouldn't hear about
Speaker 1: it unless somebody told me, what's your main what's the
Speaker 1: main way you communicate with what's the main way you
Speaker 1: like communicate with fans? Like how do you know like
Speaker 1: what they're thinking? I think poke. Someone says it goes
Speaker 1: back keeping my blinders on and doing my thing, you know,
Speaker 1: trying not to be influenced. There's gotta be some element
Speaker 1: of like some some metric that you look at. M hm, No,
Speaker 1: I don't. Let's tell me no, just doing my thing?
Speaker 1: Should I? I I guess I should be listening to somebody else.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll just do our thing. Man. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, what are they gonna tell me, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you should write this song? You know, Like I'm not
Speaker 1: listening to what they tell you. Yeah something, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel it's not Someone would say you know what in
Speaker 1: the position you're in, you know what you ought to do? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you never get that, n not to what is a
Speaker 1: stereotypical European fan, Like, is he like me and Sam
Speaker 1: longdred or No. No, they're great fans, but they just
Speaker 1: don't see uh. A lot of our American fans would
Speaker 1: understand more of the guns side, the hunting side and stuff.
Speaker 1: Uh where they might lack our music, but they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't see the same at all. So that would
Speaker 1: be the only difference. I would say, I've had those
Speaker 1: conversations with Europeans man, and I really I really feel
Speaker 1: like you know that that cold those many of those
Speaker 1: cultures have just become so divorced from hunting. And it's
Speaker 1: it's the way that hunting has always been managed over there.
Speaker 1: It's always private land. It's always been kind of the
Speaker 1: realm of the aristocracy, and it's it's it's usually not
Speaker 1: that people are opposed to killing animals or eating meat,
Speaker 1: but it's like they misunderstand our motivations a little. Suits
Speaker 1: and ships exactly. And those people are probably never even
Speaker 1: touching the dead animal, like maybe if it like arrives
Speaker 1: on their plate, but they've got like game managers and
Speaker 1: stuff for that. And I know I've had a number
Speaker 1: of conversations with people in bars and you know, in
Speaker 1: in France and Germany, England, Italy where where I talk
Speaker 1: about like, you know, how how hunting is you know,
Speaker 1: an integral part of the our conservation of these species
Speaker 1: is how we do it for how we do it
Speaker 1: for me, how it's deeply you know, steeped in tradition,
Speaker 1: and it's it's just it's our it's our recreation, it's
Speaker 1: our it's our passion. And people come around immediately, but
Speaker 1: at first they're like hunting, oh, but it's just it's
Speaker 1: very foreign to them. It is. Yeah, people just don't
Speaker 1: get it's not as cognitive as it is in America.
Speaker 1: It's just not it's not as part of a big,
Speaker 1: as part of the culture. It's it's such a small minority. There.
Speaker 1: Far be it from me to be an apologist for
Speaker 1: the continent of Europe. But it's been pointed out to
Speaker 1: me by UH listeners in Europe that when we talk
Speaker 1: about Europe, we're talking about a large, extremely diverse area
Speaker 1: as though we're talking about England. Like we say Europe,
Speaker 1: but what we kind of mean is like what I've heard,
Speaker 1: the feedback I've heard from people is that like, you've
Speaker 1: been to Scotland in England and you saw kind of
Speaker 1: what goes on there in the hunting world, and then
Speaker 1: you extend that to the entire continent, which I've been
Speaker 1: told is exceedingly ignorant. Sure, sure, but I still like
Speaker 1: to do it. It's fun. It's not. Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not a monolith. It's it's not a monolith because
Speaker 1: there are dudes are There are dudes right now. There
Speaker 1: are dudes right now hunting moose on public land in
Speaker 1: Europe and now stomping the freaking marshes for that. The
Speaker 1: one bird I want to get, the only one I want,
Speaker 1: the only bird I want to get more than an
Speaker 1: oscillated turkey. No, the only bird, the second bird I
Speaker 1: want to There's no bird I want more than oscild turkey.
Speaker 1: Second to that is one, and then big damn Capa
Speaker 1: Kelly things. They're like, yeah, there are dudes out there
Speaker 1: right now skulking around on skis and snowshoes and ship
Speaker 1: bushwhacking around trying to find one of those. It's not
Speaker 1: like you know then, you know, in some parts of Europe,
Speaker 1: the ones I'm more familiar with, Like you hired the
Speaker 1: local poor kids to go out and beat the brush
Speaker 1: and touch because you don't want to have to pick
Speaker 1: up any birds, so you hire local poor kids to
Speaker 1: go pick them up for you. Then you all go
Speaker 1: back and have a spot of t and uh and
Speaker 1: they clean them all. But it's like it's a big place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there there are there are some unifying there are
Speaker 1: some unifying aspects well that that there isn't really that
Speaker 1: there isn't really a system of public land by and
Speaker 1: large in Europe and in Scandinavia and there there there
Speaker 1: there's some sort of kind of de facto public land,
Speaker 1: but it ends it ends up being it ends up
Speaker 1: being more and it's also and firearms are far more
Speaker 1: restricted there, so it's it's hunting becomes less less kind
Speaker 1: of a middle class, lower class activity as it can
Speaker 1: be in the United States. I mean it spans you know,
Speaker 1: kind of kind of the entire you know, American society,
Speaker 1: but in in Europe it's it's definitely a lot more
Speaker 1: targeted towards rich people. And fishing is the same way too.
Speaker 1: I mean, there isn't there isn't an overwhelming amount of
Speaker 1: um of public access to water in Europe. I fished
Speaker 1: quite a bit in Europe, and you it's always incredibly
Speaker 1: difficult to uh, you got to go to this one
Speaker 1: post office in this one town and pay thirty dollars
Speaker 1: for the stamp to be on this sectionever that day,
Speaker 1: and you've got or you or or I mean in
Speaker 1: where wherever it's better. It's you know, there's one person
Speaker 1: who gets to be on that stretch of river that
Speaker 1: day and it costs, you know, fifty euro and there
Speaker 1: will be some public lakes. Usually salt water is less regulated.
Speaker 1: But um, I think I think some of our early
Speaker 1: leaders in the conservation movement that allowed us to have
Speaker 1: these large swaths of land that are open to everybody
Speaker 1: really created something different. And the culture just diverged wildly
Speaker 1: from from over there. And I've talked to I've talked
Speaker 1: to European hunters quite a bit about this. Who people
Speaker 1: who are interested, people who are allowed to go shoot
Speaker 1: pheasants and rabbits, but never dreamed of getting to shoot
Speaker 1: a deer because that's for that's for the the rich
Speaker 1: guys to do. That was a powerful condemnation of Europe. Hey,
Speaker 1: I love Europe. I got a lot of Europeans uns.
Speaker 1: Better here we get down, get some kind of genuine European,
Speaker 1: genuine European out of the fifty millions Drapeans and Europeans.
Speaker 1: Who's got like a pan European. He's from a European
Speaker 1: country and he identifies continentally. Here's what I want to
Speaker 1: find my idea. Yet, this is the anti generalization idea.
Speaker 1: If you if you just give me a second. So
Speaker 1: here's what you do as a producer. You find a
Speaker 1: European from Europe who has who has a pan European
Speaker 1: interest set. They come on and deliver a crash course
Speaker 1: in Europe, meaning like this swath of countries generally this
Speaker 1: and here's kind of what here's what their stereotype is.
Speaker 1: Like I could go and do it for America. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, down the South, you got all these rednecks.
Speaker 1: All they do is fish, catfish. They don't here, he
Speaker 1: got these they just fish walling all time, kind of
Speaker 1: dumb out here. It's like you know, I could I
Speaker 1: could do I could walk through the US, you know,
Speaker 1: but through through like Utah. It's just like you know,
Speaker 1: it just trophy hunt giant bulls Arizona. They hunting huge
Speaker 1: groups of people because there's no tags and when someone
Speaker 1: draws a tag, fifty them have to go. Um. And
Speaker 1: I'll just do a country walker or a state by
Speaker 1: state walk through. Similarly, we could do a country by
Speaker 1: country walk through of what actually goes on in Europe
Speaker 1: and it would be like very educational for me because
Speaker 1: I might not be so tempted to say what goes
Speaker 1: on in this little place I went one time and
Speaker 1: it ended across the continent. All right, I will look
Speaker 1: for I actually have an expert expert able to speak
Speaker 1: to that, because I'll do it right now. In Europe,
Speaker 1: by which I mean portions of England, they actually which
Speaker 1: is not part of the European Union, in England of Europe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh uh, they have a thing called landing matt ever
Speaker 1: hear of this. They like to fish carp Yeah, they
Speaker 1: got carpet names on them, and the carpet have names
Speaker 1: like like you know, it wouldn't be like old Bessie,
Speaker 1: that's what we'd call it. They would call it. Uh.
Speaker 1: Ferguson Walter, Yeah, Ferguson the cart, Ferguson the eighth. Uh,
Speaker 1: they'll have a cart and then a lot of people
Speaker 1: will catch them and they'll always be weighing them and
Speaker 1: it'll be like the biggest cart was one day someone
Speaker 1: called old Bessie and she was like ferguson the eighth
Speaker 1: and he was an ounce more than when some other
Speaker 1: dude caught him. And so they'll be like, when I
Speaker 1: call it Ferguson, he was thirty one pounds and three ounces,
Speaker 1: and that will be like the record. And they have
Speaker 1: a landing. These guys use a landing mat. You when
Speaker 1: you're fishing, you put out like a little rubber brit
Speaker 1: like a little rubber ramp out that goes from the
Speaker 1: beach down into the water. So when you catch fergus
Speaker 1: in the eighth, you you you basically pull him ashore.
Speaker 1: It's on a landing map, then do your whatever you're
Speaker 1: gonna do to him, not eat them, and then you
Speaker 1: and then you slide him back down into the pond.
Speaker 1: Did you know that catching release is illegal in Germany? Oh? Really?
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, yeah, it's it's interesting. I fished over there
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and there, uh, we're fishing
Speaker 1: trout stream and it's like a highly managed trout stream
Speaker 1: and the guy we're we're we're going with you know
Speaker 1: kind of media connection. Was was like and you know,
Speaker 1: we got all our we we had to go to
Speaker 1: the post office and get our our fishing license. Then
Speaker 1: we had to be at the fly shop to get
Speaker 1: to you know, to reserve the beat for the day.
Speaker 1: And when we're all done with everything, he's like, well,
Speaker 1: here's here's your license and here's your fish tag. And
Speaker 1: it was like it was like an interlocking tag, almost
Speaker 1: like what you'd put on a like a deer in
Speaker 1: Alaska plastic though. Um. And we're like, oh, then that's
Speaker 1: that's fine. We're traveling, you know, we're not going to
Speaker 1: kill a fish. Like, what the hell do we do
Speaker 1: with it? He's like catching release is actually not legal
Speaker 1: in Germany. The Green Party passed that sometime in the
Speaker 1: in the nineties. They're like, well, you know, fishing's one thing.
Speaker 1: Fishing is okay if you're providing food for yourself, but
Speaker 1: it's it's animal cruelty to fish just for just for
Speaker 1: ships and giggles. Um. So he's like, you have to
Speaker 1: have this tag with you you catching relief. You're not
Speaker 1: allowed to catch your release. But if you catch a
Speaker 1: fish and take the hook out and then it happens
Speaker 1: to get away from you. Then that's that's all right.
Speaker 1: But I mean, but I mean, it was kind of
Speaker 1: like a wink wink, nudge nudge kind of thing. He's like,
Speaker 1: we like basically said, we never kill fish, but it's
Speaker 1: illegal not to. Yeah, but apparently there was a major
Speaker 1: prosecution about it. Like a few years before that, there's
Speaker 1: some guy who's like a big pike angler and there's
Speaker 1: some great pike fishing in Germany, and he had a
Speaker 1: video on YouTube of him catching a big female pike
Speaker 1: and reviving it and releasing it, and he actually was
Speaker 1: prosecuted for that, for not killing that fish, which is
Speaker 1: just you know, it's just so it's so interesting how
Speaker 1: the how, how how far apart the cultures are see
Speaker 1: rich and varied continent. If in this episode I'm talking
Speaker 1: about current, there'd be a part where this individual would
Speaker 1: be like, and then you got Germany, Okay, let one go,
Speaker 1: I'll do some research. I was gonna ask you, guys,
Speaker 1: I would tell I would go to Google now typing
Speaker 1: something like um Europeans with a pan continental interest and
Speaker 1: the diverse hunting and fishing regulations of the continent, I
Speaker 1: will use that researcher and then uh see what what
Speaker 1: pops up? This guy really Flarry moved from. I was wondering, like,
Speaker 1: how Whiskey Myer's music ends up with having European fans?
Speaker 1: Can I can I say one more thing? No, real quick,
Speaker 1: I'm dying and all the answer that can you just
Speaker 1: hold that. I was with my kids yesterday. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: they're like at home all day because the kids, because
Speaker 1: the COVID, they haven't been going to school, so they
Speaker 1: get a little cooped up. And I took him out
Speaker 1: to check on some muskrat dens we were uh had
Speaker 1: heard about, and um, they find a dead brown trout,
Speaker 1: like a big brown like a brown stone, dead kind
Speaker 1: of rotten. They insist it's fresh. I'm across I'm in
Speaker 1: my waiters and I'm across the creek from him, and
Speaker 1: they're hooting hollar about this fish and they're gonna bring
Speaker 1: it home and shoulder mom and eat it. And uh,
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder. I was explaining to him
Speaker 1: that you know, brown's coming up spawn and everything, and ah,
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder if he's got if he
Speaker 1: had gotten a hook in him or something, and that's
Speaker 1: what causes demise. And they're like, they reported, yes, he
Speaker 1: has a hook stuck in his throat. And I said really,
Speaker 1: and they're like, yes, it's a silver hook. I go
Speaker 1: and look at the fish. There is no hook in
Speaker 1: its throat. We have a big conversation about there's just
Speaker 1: like not a hook in its throat, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: understand that night he's telling the story to cal there's
Speaker 1: a hook in its throat, just like alternate reality. Certain
Speaker 1: things to get said in the political sphere made a
Speaker 1: lot more sense to me after that. It's just like
Speaker 1: in his head there is a hook and that fish's
Speaker 1: throat and no absence of a hook is going to
Speaker 1: make him think otherwise. Oh you want me to make
Speaker 1: that makes sense? It was a European brown, great brown
Speaker 1: shot from your very good brown shot from Europe. Do
Speaker 1: you wonder, Kay, ask your question, like, how how does
Speaker 1: Whiskey Myers develop fans in Europe? Is there like a
Speaker 1: whole group that likes that sort of music from America? Yeah?
Speaker 1: They lack American music. Uh, most part of them are
Speaker 1: really lack like kind of the classic rock sound or
Speaker 1: the southern rock sound. It's it's kind of very big
Speaker 1: over there right now. And so I guess the internet,
Speaker 1: Well do they do they view? They million people? Do they? Okay?
Speaker 1: If I like a band, I might like them for
Speaker 1: years and then one'd be like, oh, ship, I didn't
Speaker 1: know they're from wherever? Hm, there is a change, Okay.
Speaker 1: Like I like some stuff. I like an album by
Speaker 1: m Ad three, I didn't know they were French or
Speaker 1: the guy was from France. Then later I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I got some France. Now you
Speaker 1: don't like them? No, I'm just saying, does it even
Speaker 1: mad like? Do do if you have fans in Europe,
Speaker 1: are they like, uh, you know, I like music and
Speaker 1: then there's some American music. I like it just like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, does it even like
Speaker 1: a thing? Yeah? I think it's it's a thing, like
Speaker 1: they recognize I like music from the southern United States. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. At least a big part of our
Speaker 1: fan base over there, they're they're looking for that, not
Speaker 1: only America, but that part of America from southern France
Speaker 1: just isn't something I would ever. There's one of our
Speaker 1: distributors over there, they explained it to me one day.
Speaker 1: It was just him and I and he was like,
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, he said, over here, he said,
Speaker 1: they don't have a South. He said, they're and they're
Speaker 1: like infatuated with the way y'all talk and and how
Speaker 1: it comes out and all that. So it's really cool.
Speaker 1: You know, they don't have that over there. They don't
Speaker 1: have a bunch of ye you know, the way we
Speaker 1: talk and stuff just chakes them up. Did you guys
Speaker 1: growing up? Did you grow up Hayting northerns No? No,
Speaker 1: can you can you goof on how we talk? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I'd love to hear it. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: goof on how you guys talk? Come on, come on, impression?
Speaker 1: Is that what you No? No, Okay, When I was
Speaker 1: growing up, if we want to talk about bad about
Speaker 1: a dude from the South, we had a way we
Speaker 1: would do it right, so ours would just be like
Speaker 1: oh or they eight like your os are different. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a guy there he's like it's a big box. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I don't know anybody sounds like that anyways.
Speaker 1: I told you know, if I tell him like how
Speaker 1: they sound, They're like, but I don't know anybody that
Speaker 1: sounds like that, but do for us when you were
Speaker 1: a little kid and you were shipped talking Yankees, do
Speaker 1: for us how they would like. I could be like,
Speaker 1: let's say I was I was. I would be like, Um,
Speaker 1: I can't do it now, man, it's hard. Let me
Speaker 1: think about. Do do goofing on Northerners? You don't act
Speaker 1: like you don't goof Okay, here's a good example. We
Speaker 1: had a bus driver those from Wisconsin and he had
Speaker 1: a real thick accent and he drank a lot of
Speaker 1: mountain dew. I don't know why, but so every that's
Speaker 1: a Northern drink. Every time we were going to bus call,
Speaker 1: he'd be like he would call me and I would
Speaker 1: answer the phone and say, hello, hey, Chris, you think
Speaker 1: you could drop by the store and grab me a
Speaker 1: couple of mountain dues bro And I'm like that sound like?
Speaker 1: And the fact that he wanted me to get his
Speaker 1: mountain before, I'm like, why didn't you do it? K
Speaker 1: some wally? Yes See, when we're talking about Southerners. One
Speaker 1: of our favorite, my favorite stories, one of Yanni story
Speaker 1: I kind of like stole his story. So Yanni's turkey
Speaker 1: hunting somewhere in the South or somehow what he's doing.
Speaker 1: He's turkey hunting somewhere. The guy pulls up, rolls his
Speaker 1: window down, hawks out like cascade of chew spit, and
Speaker 1: then says, y'all hear your turkey's gobble and that's us. Um,
Speaker 1: that's us symbolized. You're not far wrong. Yeah, mine suck good. Well.
Speaker 1: I hit a couple more like goof on northerners from
Speaker 1: minute that was kind of like, what's the impression? Right?
Speaker 1: I had a guy there to day you tell me,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, like he says, he's kind of like a
Speaker 1: northern he's kind of pretentious, southern heart, a little bit
Speaker 1: more homie friendly. Yeah, I mean I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, we didn't really know about northern left
Speaker 1: our county and oh we haven't gotten into that go
Speaker 1: on real quick. So you grew up hunting, fishing. How
Speaker 1: did your parents listen to music? Yea, but how did
Speaker 1: it never curre to you to like play some music?
Speaker 1: That was the first damn question were supposed to? So, um,
Speaker 1: my grandfather on my mom's side, he was kind of wild.
Speaker 1: You know, he wouldn't around a lot. You didn't seem
Speaker 1: a lot you know, because he was what he was
Speaker 1: just out there again. Uh, kind of like the biker
Speaker 1: and the you know, just a little bit edgy, you know,
Speaker 1: so you wouldn't see him a lot go away for
Speaker 1: long spells of time. Yeah, kind of like that. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that I understand, but he kind
Speaker 1: of played the guitar a little bit, you know, or
Speaker 1: he had a guitar, and uh, I guess one time
Speaker 1: I had told him when I was younger, like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's cool, I would learn how to love to learn
Speaker 1: how to do that. And then years later, when I
Speaker 1: was about sixteen, Uh, he left the guitar at like, uh,
Speaker 1: my grandparents house, Like he just showed up and I
Speaker 1: thought he was your grandparents. Well yeah, so it would
Speaker 1: have been her mom, So he would have been my
Speaker 1: mom's dad. Which way were they were divorced, you know,
Speaker 1: but he left it. No, I'm not saying you're being complicated. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're mother's father, yes, but he was divorced from your
Speaker 1: grandmother and grandfather were divorced, yes, I understanding. So he
Speaker 1: just kind of came by. I don't even know if
Speaker 1: he even talked. Oh, I don't know. That's way before
Speaker 1: I was born, uh, because he's wild. But he just
Speaker 1: years later for some reason, he left that guitar on
Speaker 1: like their their porch or something. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if he told him or I can't he remembered that time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so picked it up and kind of started learning.
Speaker 1: So he didn't come over and show you how to
Speaker 1: use it. He just left. It was just left for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, I went and got it and I started
Speaker 1: learning how to do little chords and things like that.
Speaker 1: And then, um, John Jeffers, a guitar player. Um, I
Speaker 1: took it over there one day. And I don't even
Speaker 1: know if he knew, but like his his dad teen sixteen, seventeen, um,
Speaker 1: and I took it over there, and his dad actually
Speaker 1: like knew how to play guitar and stuff. And I
Speaker 1: don't know even though if we knew that. And like
Speaker 1: evidently his dad was kind of you always played music,
Speaker 1: and his mom, you know, his mother had been in
Speaker 1: a band, you know, and he probably knew that, but
Speaker 1: I didn't, um, you know, when they were younger. And
Speaker 1: then his dad showed us how to play guitar when
Speaker 1: we were like sixteen or seventeen, like like showed you
Speaker 1: how as then you started really focusing or he's like
Speaker 1: it basically works like this, Uh, a little of both probably,
Speaker 1: but yeah, just shown us like, hey, this is like this,
Speaker 1: and he was playing and just taught us some stuff
Speaker 1: and then it just kind of grew from there. Really.
Speaker 1: But that's that's how I got into music. Because my
Speaker 1: grandpa left a guitar. You still have it. It got stolen.
Speaker 1: What Yeah, guitars get stolen a lot, So I don't
Speaker 1: have that anymore where to get stolen from. So it
Speaker 1: was in my my We had a suburban that we
Speaker 1: toured in at that time when years years ago, when
Speaker 1: we first started and seven or eight. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: had left it in there and went inside the house
Speaker 1: and the window was messed up on the suburban. It
Speaker 1: would always fall, remember that it wouldn't. And like I
Speaker 1: went back inside the house and our dog died, had
Speaker 1: died that day or something. So I went was like
Speaker 1: messing with the dog, ended up having to bury it
Speaker 1: and stuff, and I went back outside and somebody stole
Speaker 1: the guitar while you're in burying the dead dog. My
Speaker 1: daughter's fish died last night, and that's how that happened.
Speaker 1: And it was gone, So the window was just like
Speaker 1: it would always fall down. I don't know if somebody
Speaker 1: just had it was in the neighborhood at that time
Speaker 1: I lived in Tyler, slipped out of the track and it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was around the time they were they were stealing
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, So somebody was just walking by
Speaker 1: and maybe seen it and just I just left it in.
Speaker 1: There wasn't even very long when and they had stole
Speaker 1: their guitar and they never found it. Never found it.
Speaker 1: We looked, we looked around in pawn chops and everything
Speaker 1: like that, and so and it was one of those
Speaker 1: things where I was like taking stuff in and then
Speaker 1: you know, ended up having to deal with that and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, shoot, I gotta get my stuff
Speaker 1: with your grandfather. It was of what kind of guitar
Speaker 1: would it looked like, what's the man? It would? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just an old attack of many guitar and
Speaker 1: it had a it did have a cigarette burn on it, alright,
Speaker 1: I guess it would be from him. So it did
Speaker 1: have a cigarette burn on it, but it didn't have
Speaker 1: any unique features other than that. It was just you know,
Speaker 1: it's so depressing, man. But that's a true story. Man.
Speaker 1: So for any listeners out there, what color wasn't just regular.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what classic guitar pit guard? It
Speaker 1: had a cigarette burn under I believe under the pit guard,
Speaker 1: you know, like where your fingers would see it. If
Speaker 1: you're man, we should do like a national effort to
Speaker 1: get your And that was like contact mediator if you
Speaker 1: find a guitar alarming. The story we reported on this
Speaker 1: My brother and his body were fishing in Alaska and
Speaker 1: they out there. They had some engine problems and they
Speaker 1: got their boat flipped and swamped up against the log
Speaker 1: when the water is real high, and they hung a
Speaker 1: buoy off it, and the rain kept coming and they
Speaker 1: were waiting for the water to get down so they
Speaker 1: could go back and retrieve their boat. And they just
Speaker 1: went back to get it. It's gone. The only thing
Speaker 1: left is to tea posts sunk in the bank where
Speaker 1: someone had rigged up some leverage points to jacket out
Speaker 1: of there, stole their freaking boat. Were sure that person
Speaker 1: thought of it as theft though, and they weren't like
Speaker 1: thought it was a salvage jill. But they sure ship
Speaker 1: didn't call the police and say we found a boat.
Speaker 1: If you found a boat sunk against the log with
Speaker 1: a booty tied to it, and you had to go
Speaker 1: out and get some tea posts and sink them in
Speaker 1: and come along and off there. You don't, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: get a slight feeling like, I wonder whose boat this is?
Speaker 1: You're getting a reward in that case? Uh, my brother's road,
Speaker 1: so he used to lived down he used to live
Speaker 1: by this little Uh that's kind of a weird story.
Speaker 1: Never mind, how's he tell you a drug car theft story?
Speaker 1: It's just a long ass story without getting into too
Speaker 1: many details. My brother's body gets his truck stolen, and
Speaker 1: he's suspicious of of a little meth house down the road.
Speaker 1: He's suspicious of the inhabitants of a little meth house
Speaker 1: down the road. But he does the police, your partner
Speaker 1: all that. Eventually gets a call from the cops. His
Speaker 1: truck has been a band in a couple of hours
Speaker 1: away at a gas station, and the cops says, oddly,
Speaker 1: they abandon your truck and stole the gas station attendance car.
Speaker 1: He says, what do they drive? They drive or whatever
Speaker 1: the hell it was. He goes and looks out his window.
Speaker 1: He's like, yep, it's parked, Scooby, dude, that thing man,
Speaker 1: it's parked down the road and house of the people
Speaker 1: I suspected. Still did they upgrade or was it insulting
Speaker 1: like that? Remember the details, but it was just some
Speaker 1: sly some sly uh you know, burglary not as sly
Speaker 1: as they thought. Uh So, what happens next? You guys
Speaker 1: are screwed because you can't tour and make money doing
Speaker 1: everything you are. You like, like, what happens now? How
Speaker 1: do you how do you be an independent rock band
Speaker 1: at the time of COVID, Well, we can be that
Speaker 1: because we are independent and we get royalties, we own
Speaker 1: our masters, you know, so well I think we would have, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of harder time if we weren't independent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna hopefully start up next year. We stopped in
Speaker 1: like February when everything, you know, everything started to closing down.
Speaker 1: They started canceling shows, and then we were gonna go
Speaker 1: back on the road, and like July. Everything was supposed
Speaker 1: to kick back up in July and all that, and
Speaker 1: they had, you know, shows still booked, you know, throughout
Speaker 1: the year, and we would get close to or three
Speaker 1: week out and they cancel and that she kept happening,
Speaker 1: kept happening, kept happening. Every time we have to cancel
Speaker 1: right at the last minute. And I was like, this
Speaker 1: is stupid, Like cancel the rest of the year. We'll
Speaker 1: get we'll get back at it next year. We're just
Speaker 1: gonna move, you know. And so we just moved everything
Speaker 1: from this year to the next year because it was
Speaker 1: just it was obnoxious being like, oh, you gotta come
Speaker 1: back to work, you know, telling people they had to
Speaker 1: come back to work at certain times and and things
Speaker 1: like that, and then it canceled, and then you're telling
Speaker 1: the fans we're gonna be here, they buy tickets, you cancel,
Speaker 1: and so it was just one of those things where
Speaker 1: it's like and I don't want to deal with like
Speaker 1: capacity and all that. It's like, let's just wait a
Speaker 1: couple of months and maybe we can go back at
Speaker 1: it full steam and have good shows where you can
Speaker 1: rock and everything and you're not sitting out with mask
Speaker 1: on spread out at your table. And it was just like,
Speaker 1: why not. We've been on the road NonStop for twelve
Speaker 1: thirteen years. I think you know, we can take a
Speaker 1: few months off. Have you been enjoying the time off? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're probably doing more more hunting and fishing than normal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have, but I've been fishing a lot and then yeah,
Speaker 1: I've just been started hunting, you know, hunting season just
Speaker 1: opened a couple of weeks ago. Or fishing the summer
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, I don't fish a lot in like
Speaker 1: August because it's just it's miserable too hot down there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. And then the fish start kind of
Speaker 1: suspending and doing some different things. They're just kind of funky,
Speaker 1: you know that August in September, kind of the transition
Speaker 1: in there. It's just a little bit funky enough. I
Speaker 1: needed to like start writing again and working on the
Speaker 1: the new album. But when both season rolled around, I've
Speaker 1: been hunting a lot. So, um, tell people because they
Speaker 1: can't come see you right now, tell people like what,
Speaker 1: like what what works for you best for people to
Speaker 1: want to go explore your music? You know, to tell
Speaker 1: people just go on Spotify man, yeah, Apple Music or
Speaker 1: website just all social media outlets. People, your website, yeah,
Speaker 1: Whiskey Myers dot com. Just really, what's whatever convenient for them?
Speaker 1: They want to buy a record, they got a record player,
Speaker 1: buy a record, they want to stream it? Do that.
Speaker 1: You know, did you guys get your ducks cleaned yesterday?
Speaker 1: We do? Would you like to have a place like
Speaker 1: that place? Yeah, they had it going on. Man, I've
Speaker 1: never hosed down the room before. That was that's just
Speaker 1: just set up for for cleaning ducks. I was had
Speaker 1: they going on. Um, yeah, that he's got a uh,
Speaker 1: he's got pretty special plays. A lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of love and attention went into yeah, just making making
Speaker 1: making duck country. Yeah, we've seen I mean, how many
Speaker 1: deer and pheasant and everything else did we see just
Speaker 1: besides the I don't even I tried to explain how
Speaker 1: many ducks we've seen, and I was like, I have
Speaker 1: no idea saying it makes it hard to get up
Speaker 1: at three in the morning, go and put your boat
Speaker 1: in and drive up and get to fight with some
Speaker 1: other duck hunters and get two ducks. And yeah, this
Speaker 1: wasn't like that. Yeah, well it was. It was so
Speaker 1: funny in the morning too, that we're all set up
Speaker 1: in that blind. I'll get our deeks out, all our
Speaker 1: all our stuff nicely stashed, and then we have the
Speaker 1: side by side. Roll up. You're on the wrong line,
Speaker 1: Get in with me. We're going to the other one.
Speaker 1: They already have limits and we're like, what we killed
Speaker 1: were good? Yeah? Me too. I'm like, yeah, we're talking
Speaker 1: a couple in here. We're getting some okay shots. We've
Speaker 1: got a couple of ducks in the blind and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they already got like twenty one birds. Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: I think we're doing fat man. We're saying a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of birds, and he's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: y'all need to move. But then we got over there.
Speaker 1: We got it real quick. It was they wanted to
Speaker 1: be right there. Was that your first? Was that your
Speaker 1: first duck print? That was my third duck? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: went on my first duck hunt. Actually, no, well I
Speaker 1: went on a duck hunt with some of y'all. I
Speaker 1: knew you went, but I didn't know that you first,
Speaker 1: my first actual duck. I went out with them. HANSI
Speaker 1: you only done trying to wing shoot him. Well, we were,
Speaker 1: I mean, I loved it. I was. We were in
Speaker 1: the muck, so we um we canoed in, our canuted
Speaker 1: out and set up a bunch of decoys and we
Speaker 1: were hiding, you know, underneath the reeds, and so they
Speaker 1: were there were some God, I had missed a bunch.
Speaker 1: And then we were all taking a break and eating,
Speaker 1: and then a couple were kind of flying. Hi. Maybe
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have taken the shot. I just like, I
Speaker 1: didn't even tell anyone I was going to take the shot.
Speaker 1: I probably should have. Like everyone had beef jerky in
Speaker 1: their mouths and they were chatting, and I just saw
Speaker 1: a bird come from left to right and I just
Speaker 1: shot it and it went down. No, it was, um,
Speaker 1: what are you looking at? You got it written down? No,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about staring into space and trying to get
Speaker 1: it from my mom's my mind's eye. The black feathers
Speaker 1: with kind of the white outline. Widgeon, that's the region, right. Yeah. So, um,
Speaker 1: I was down there a couple of days before. She was.
Speaker 1: They're getting a lot of yeah. So. And then my
Speaker 1: second one was was also a widgeon. It was like
Speaker 1: coming to land. It was it was it was pretty low,
Speaker 1: it was coming to land among the decoys, and it
Speaker 1: was almost like it was I mean, there's just a
Speaker 1: couple of feet off the surface of the water. When
Speaker 1: I got it was a pretty easy shot, but I
Speaker 1: just know it was kind of like I felt like
Speaker 1: that duck was landing in and about to be like
Speaker 1: hey Bob, hey Joe, what's up? And then they're like mannequins,
Speaker 1: not saying anything. I always wonder about them. I always
Speaker 1: wondered about that interaction the duck lands and it spread
Speaker 1: after me. He's like these people are Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like because they kind of get like a very they
Speaker 1: land and they started getting like an uneasy feeling. So
Speaker 1: those are those are my first two. The other way
Speaker 1: like I don't know something and then the lights go out.
Speaker 1: But yesterday was my was my third duck. I missed
Speaker 1: a ship ton and and Chris had to Chris finished
Speaker 1: off like a handful of my birds for me, but
Speaker 1: there was one that was just a clean shot. How
Speaker 1: are you going to cook up like the ducks you
Speaker 1: got yesterday? Do you have any like from your mother?
Speaker 1: Do you have any Chinese influenced uh duck recipes that
Speaker 1: you try or do you just cook like whatever? My
Speaker 1: mom was not. My mom did like a certain number
Speaker 1: of things. Well, um, never like peeking duck. That that's
Speaker 1: a couple of day effort. Um. But I do have
Speaker 1: like an old school Chinese cooking a cookbook. You're gonna
Speaker 1: try something like that. I may, um, dude, you're you're
Speaker 1: I think you groove should be like Chinese man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I have a friend. I have a friend
Speaker 1: in town, dear friend in town, Linda, who is um
Speaker 1: a chef from Shanghai, and I was going to ask
Speaker 1: her to maybe help me out with a with a thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe that's maybe that's what I what I
Speaker 1: have to do with at least one of my ducks.
Speaker 1: I don't know if these have enough fat on them.
Speaker 1: I haven't. They get a little bit later. But when
Speaker 1: you say your mom did some things, well, do you
Speaker 1: mean that cooking wasn't one of them? Or she did
Speaker 1: some dishes? Well, some some dishes she did but did
Speaker 1: not know? I don't. I don't really know how many
Speaker 1: people do that at home. That's kind of like you
Speaker 1: go to Chinatown and you buy them. What's that? What's
Speaker 1: that Chinese preparation for duck that you see in Chinatown
Speaker 1: in New York where they have them they're glazed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that is where they're hanging up lazed. That's the
Speaker 1: you know. And and I used to buy those things.
Speaker 1: They kind of caught them up with a cleaver. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like you have all these ducks hanging in shiny
Speaker 1: they're crispy, and then you like stand in line and
Speaker 1: it's like the guy with a freaking huge as cleaver
Speaker 1: just like chop chop chop, chop, chop, chop chop chop.
Speaker 1: And then it's just like they pile all this greasy,
Speaker 1: just delicious duck with sauce and like there's some slight
Speaker 1: um I would say, like different spices. Some some folks
Speaker 1: might do more of like a five spice and they're
Speaker 1: you know, slight variations. Um. But I think I think
Speaker 1: we need to think about a recipe like that. Um.
Speaker 1: That used to be uh that was like a favorite
Speaker 1: thing to do when to go, you know, in New York,
Speaker 1: to go find those ducks. Totally. Yeah, when you guys
Speaker 1: were playing in New York, did you did you do
Speaker 1: some peeking duck in Chinatown? It's not like a wild
Speaker 1: duck man right now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, what'd you do?
Speaker 1: Whoa Hop? This restaurant called whoa Hop it's in Manhattan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very awesome if you're ever there, get some duck there.
Speaker 1: Something is secured to be Chris with no turing and
Speaker 1: you'd being the term manager times getting hard. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: but oh yeah, but like Cody said, I mean we've
Speaker 1: been enjoying it, hunting, fishing. It's been great. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: just hit me. I was like, oh, that's a tour manager. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm probably healthier than when we're on the road. Well,
Speaker 1: they toured all the way up here. We've been hanging
Speaker 1: out on their bus every day when I picked him up.
Speaker 1: That's good. It's cool. Glass bust here man Steve Steve
Speaker 1: as Korean about shooting a duck off the water before
Speaker 1: and you know, referring to like Northerners making fun of
Speaker 1: Southerners and southerns making fun of Northerners. I'm from South Dakota.
Speaker 1: We would refer to that, or like shooting a dove
Speaker 1: off a power line is Arkansas and something that's because
Speaker 1: the old Arkansas is that? Is that what you guys?
Speaker 1: That's not that's from the old market hunter days. That's
Speaker 1: not like a goofing on the side puns Like would
Speaker 1: you guys, would you guys call what would you refer
Speaker 1: to that as I would? You said that that's Arkansas
Speaker 1: that you guys don't know about calling it Arkansas on
Speaker 1: a bird like that's Michigan or and stuffing loosening where
Speaker 1: I'm from. Yeah, but dude, we'll report back on this.
Speaker 1: The etymology, but I understand from my father has something
Speaker 1: to do. It's like a reference to a type of
Speaker 1: rig used by market hunters. It's not like you know,
Speaker 1: those idiots down in Arkansas. I would prefer like these
Speaker 1: guys still say Arkansas. Yeah I know, but I would
Speaker 1: prefer that they call it like, oh, that's uh, that's
Speaker 1: Scony in something like someone from Wisconsin would do that.
Speaker 1: I'm a Arkansas on it. I got a lot of
Speaker 1: friends in Arkansas. They call Arkansas and and Arkansas Clay
Speaker 1: Newcomb Newcombe. You know what I messaging right now. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll have an answer by the end of the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm wrapping it up. You gotta come back on Spencer.
Speaker 1: Report back after you talk to that dude who got
Speaker 1: all the elk shot off this place. All right, Whiskey
Speaker 1: Myers find him at whiskey Myers dot com. That's a
Speaker 1: good U r L for you, guys. Yeah, it works,
Speaker 1: not confusing. Um, Spotify didn't go find you yep, Spotify,
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Speaker 1: wrong person. You got an affirmative. You got an affirmative
Speaker 1: from the other Chris. I think we got everything. Man.
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