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Speaker 1: by Cody Cannon Whiskey Myers. What's going on? Man? Is

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Speaker 1: that a stage name? What is that your name? You

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Speaker 1: were born with Coddy Cannon? Yes, dude, that's a great,

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Speaker 1: great name for a musician. Man, you're bound to be

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Speaker 1: a rock star with name like that. Yeah, if you

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Speaker 1: were a rock star named Steve Ronell, that's it ain't

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Speaker 1: gonna work. Cody Cannon's got of a rock star. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm switching to Steve Fever. There you go, and I'm

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Speaker 1: going into the music business hard. Have a little Copenhagen huh. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Always it's my vice, the only vices I have left.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I can give it up. That's your flavor. Yeah, Spencers,

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Speaker 1: used to you look like a guy that used to dip?

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Speaker 1: Now really a couple of times, uh, while I was

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Speaker 1: in high That makes you want to have a uh

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Speaker 1: maybe not want to have one every again. I was

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Speaker 1: wondering how long you would get without addressing his dip

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Speaker 1: in his mouth. I don't want to think some primary

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Speaker 1: thing I'm interested in life, and I didn't think it'd

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Speaker 1: be the first minute. That was quick. Oh, the first

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Speaker 1: thing out of my mouth. I saw that cope come out.

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Speaker 1: I got a little dip. Though, this is like church

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Speaker 1: size dip. Show me your pinch size there if you're

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Speaker 1: on mine, like I'm saying, not at church. I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: like Saturday night, half drunk, half drunk, that much a

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Speaker 1: whole time, the opper and the lower. Did you ever

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Speaker 1: fill in the upper end lower lip? Nor that ignorant

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Speaker 1: that's just pushing. Yeah, that's just that's just silly, Chris,

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Speaker 1: And to do yourself. I'm Chris Alexander. I'm the tour

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Speaker 1: manager for Whiskey Myers. You too, I do not. I

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Speaker 1: used to quit. Yeah, was it difficult to quit? No?

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Speaker 1: I did it when I played baseball when I was

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Speaker 1: in school, and that was when I got done stopped.

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Speaker 1: Someone someone tell us the other day that they used

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Speaker 1: to actually mix um gum and chew when they played baseball.

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Speaker 1: The Terry Francona that was called who was telling me

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Speaker 1: this too? He said it would make such a mess. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Kurt Roscoe, what is that? Like? You have great bubble

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Speaker 1: gum on one side and you have I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's big league, were like big league chew a

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Speaker 1: lot with your kids. Man, she had like a pouchy

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Speaker 1: shredded gum. He was saying that when he played baseball,

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Speaker 1: they would mix their chew and they're gumb and he said,

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Speaker 1: when you were outstanding there for a game doing that,

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Speaker 1: it would generate so much spit you would actually have

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Speaker 1: a stained circle around you, but you'd build up a

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Speaker 1: big cheo stain area because it would just generate an

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Speaker 1: enormous amount of saliva. I don't know if that's a

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Speaker 1: universal name, but we refer to that as a Terry Francona.

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Speaker 1: Is that a famous athlete? Uh, he's a famous baseball manager,

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Speaker 1: So that's a real thing. Crazy, Yeah, Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: think I can do that. We had a musician in

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Speaker 1: here one time. He was chewing while we talked to him,

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Speaker 1: just like yourself, and uh, we're talking about a full stadium,

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Speaker 1: which it was explained to us is when you have

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Speaker 1: the upper and lower deck, and he said, that's not

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Speaker 1: what that's called. It's called a hard nut, which I

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Speaker 1: have no idea. What the hell, Yeah, I don't know

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Speaker 1: about that. I've I've never I've never tried it. I

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Speaker 1: We'll watch. Last night, Callahand was over and we were

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Speaker 1: making some mere gazz, which is you probably you're international

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Speaker 1: enough that when i'm top about it's delicious. Did you

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Speaker 1: have you had Sumac right, not poison? Sumac didn't in there?

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Speaker 1: You didn't, Harrissa sauce roasted red peppers. You put in

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Speaker 1: lamb casings, which is the worst thing on the planet.

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Speaker 1: To work with it, just to know they're just like,

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Speaker 1: it's just they're thin. But they used to make. They

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Speaker 1: still get them, like if you've got a latex allergy.

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Speaker 1: They make condoms out of lamb casing. Huh. I wonder

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Speaker 1: Instagram because it won't it won't perform well and it

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Speaker 1: It was a castration band. Huh. Yeah, you know what,

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Speaker 1: uh for your listeners at home. One of the ways

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Speaker 1: they cast rate you can castrate stuff is you just

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Speaker 1: Anderson was his name. They did it to their dog

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Speaker 1: with rubber bands. M h. I haven't talked to that

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Speaker 1: on the internet. To you, because I got a feeling

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Speaker 1: there's a thousand Paul Anderson's but um, he put rubber

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Speaker 1: like the size of a wedding ring and it's green rubber,

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Speaker 1: and they'll just snay get around the lambs. They'll snake

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Speaker 1: somehow he got tangled up with a kyo and the

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Speaker 1: ate a castration brand, which is hard to picture. I

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Speaker 1: think you're wrong. I think your audience would like that.

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Speaker 1: Are you a bandman or a blade man? So good?

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Speaker 1: My father in law is, yeah, we we we do both.

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Speaker 1: We cut him in bandom. Oh please tell me more.

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Speaker 1: I mean, can you walk us through it? What do

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Speaker 1: you guys work with cattle or sheep? Cattle? Okay, walk

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Speaker 1: us through the process. I mean we just we process

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Speaker 1: make an incision and snake them out. You still band him.

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Speaker 1: put it around the testicles, and then you take a

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Speaker 1: incisions and they just fall off, you know. With Also,

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Speaker 1: what period of time. I don't know how long it

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Speaker 1: a jaked nut. Well does the castration band fall off eventually?

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Speaker 1: With with the screw them? What's Jake and the nut mean?

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Speaker 1: I just say Jake said maybe he just hated nuts,

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Speaker 1: not to lamb. Althought. I said he jaked a nut,

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Speaker 1: So when you put the band on, and I know,

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Speaker 1: when you when you first put it on, it's probably

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Speaker 1: big and honest. So you could feasibly pass your fists

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Speaker 1: through the castration band, I would say, so, yes, okay, yeah, because,

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing I got so curious about it.

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Speaker 1: First I showed it to some livestock people, my body

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Speaker 1: Dug in particular, and he confirmed that's a castration band.

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Speaker 1: And then he sent me a link where I could

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Speaker 1: so you feel that one he's wearing the castration band

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Speaker 1: like you you put the band on to apply pressure,

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Speaker 1: fall away? It should yes, Okay, So it could be

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Speaker 1: the kind of castration band is. So my wife grew

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're like just exclusive to one quitter,

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Speaker 1: Do I think it was a house cat? No? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. It's a good idea though. I've talked about

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Speaker 1: We had a cat named Fig. It's kind of long story.

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Speaker 1: My dad tamed a wild house cat that we named Fig.

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Speaker 1: He tamed it with fish heads because it would come

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Speaker 1: bluegill and perch heads for it, cleaning fish. And he

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Speaker 1: took Fig over to Nell's house, two so nils because

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Speaker 1: almost almost. When we would ship fish out, say you

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Speaker 1: in the Montana hunting culture is known for this near Anaconda.

426
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: People call him Anna Commandos, that that guy that guys

427
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: will like group hunt these these elk herds on their

428
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: on their winter range. So I think a lot of

429
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: this stuff happens every year, maybe not on this scale,

430
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: but I mean cal just sent me a story out

431
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: of Washington where they like finally caught these guys who

432
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: would chase elk with chase elk with trucks and in

433
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: a very coordinated fashion. My buddy, my late friend Eric

434
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: Current was hunting the bridges one time, and he was

435
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: looking down and watched on an opening day, watched guys

436
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: come out with trucks and corral and heard elk and

437
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: kill a bunch of them. And he wouldn't call, he

438
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't report it. Yeah, apparently apparently locals knew knew about this,

439
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: knew about these guys for years and years. Um, But

440
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: there are some kind of prominent ranchers in the group,

441
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: and it was on private ground. But apparently it was

442
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: some some out of towners who reported it who didn't

443
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: have like the the local repercussions. But I got in

444
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: touch with the word and about that, I'm thinking about

445
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: running down that story writing it for the site. Pretty interesting, Spencer,

446
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: You ought to, Um, do you mind calling and getting

447
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: a hold of that that landowner and asking if he

448
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: was asking if he was like great, because a lot

449
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: of guys don't want elk keating their crops. She's like, yeah, man, good,

450
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: that's not a big area. It's probably easy to track down. Like,

451
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: I would love to hear his perspective on it. Yeah.

452
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: He might be like I got no problem with it,

453
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: or he might be like, dude, I'm not doing this anymore.

454
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: My brother is involved in a He's involved in the

455
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: effort and runs this effort to uh thank to to

456
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: to like appreciation days for people ranchers who enroll in

457
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: black management. So he's found that the thing people need

458
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: it's expensive and and like much appreciator calf shelters. So

459
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: he puts his efforts into the raising money to buy

460
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: cap or whatever else people need. But in certain areas

461
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: it's like an expensive thing that people really want or

462
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: much appreciated. He tries to buy cat. He raises money

463
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: to buy calf shelters to give to ranchers who enroll

464
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: in black management, and then they throw a party for

465
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Speaker 1: people to come out, and they try to entertain them,

466
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: feed them and give them door prizes and gifts in

467
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: order to help encourage that guy might need a little

468
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: morale boost. Well yeah, and that's guys might need a

469
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: couple of calf shehild because that's a great thing to do.

470
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: Man and and and the block. The number of acres

471
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Speaker 1: enrolled in block management has been declining in recent years,

472
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: and I know that hunter behavior is one of the

473
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: leading reasons that people will pull land out of that program.

474
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: So anything hunters can do to to thank folks who

475
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: let them on their property is huge and I always

476
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: always try to try to send a thanks, give some

477
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: meat or whatever you can do, because it's it's you know,

478
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: it's it's a huge benefit to the to the public. Steve.

479
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: I thought in the past, you've predicted how you will

480
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: someday die. Was it heart disease that you said that

481
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: you your prediction was, well, yeah, because the number one

482
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: killer of people in my age was opioid overdose. You

483
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: know maybe that So I'm gonna segue now. I'm segueing

484
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Speaker 1: now into the heart disease there, like because people you know,

485
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: like making sausage. Last night we were answering like common

486
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: sausage questions. It was like, what about nitrates and nitrates

487
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: something like, dude, put a little pink salt into some

488
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: corned elk. I just like, that's not like when I die.

489
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: They're not the doctor, the medical Examiner's not gonna be

490
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: like was he putting pink salt in his corn dollar.

491
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: It's just not gonna be what happens. There's a bonus

492
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: bit of reporting in this great false Tribune article. This

493
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: is related to the elk. Yeah, yeah, that they snuck

494
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: into the last paragraph heart attack author, I have many

495
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,719
Speaker 1: questions about it, says Meager County under Sheriff Jeremy WESTR. Mar.

496
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: It's pronounced mar. You say that Mark I butchered that.

497
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: Then little Montana history Thomas Mary that I was calling

498
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: it meager for you, you need to look into into

499
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: into Thomas Mar. He Uh he was one of the

500
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: man like first politicians in Montana. But his death was

501
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: really like mysterious. He got like thrown off a paddle

502
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: boat in the Missouri Uh like I no, like, uh

503
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: what do he called? He wasn't doing stand up paddle board? No,

504
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, like the paddle paddle barges that they take.

505
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: Is that the calling the right thing? Paddle boat? But yeah,

506
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: stand up pad paddle boat? Yeah yeah, But he's fascinating character.

507
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: There's a bar in Missoula called the Thomas Mar Bar. Yeah.

508
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: So that's yeah. M e A g h e er

509
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: no idea big for two years and then you fixed

510
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: your system. Who corrected you when you lived in that county?

511
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, my I'm on I'm

512
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: on Yellowstone Street in town and one black over. You

513
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: weren't mispronouncing that Meager Street or or mar Stream, So

514
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: whenever I would drive by, there's probably a time I

515
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: was like, you know, with a with a friend in

516
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: the car who knew better saying, oh yeah, you just that.

517
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: Oh there's Meager Street and you go down there, like,

518
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: what do you mean Meager? Look at the sign M

519
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: E A G h R And they're like her in Sweetheart,

520
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: that's just not right. Let me let me let me

521
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: hit you real quick with his his history, because it's

522
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: way crazier than I was suggesting. Um. He was an

523
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: Irish nationalist leader of Young Irelanders. Um in a rebellion

524
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: in eight convicted of sedition and sent to Tasmania. And

525
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 1: then he escaped Tasmania and got to the United States.

526
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: You know what this guy like the pull of cord. Yeah, yeah,

527
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: and uh then joined in the American Civil War, rose

528
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: to the rank of brigadier general. You know what that means,

529
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: brigadier general. No, that's what Custer was. It means that

530
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: all the generals are getting killed off and you and

531
00:29:50,160 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: you gotta make like temporary general appointments. Ah, And I

532
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: wasn't tracking. Yeah, if I'm reading, I'm reading about he

533
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: was appointed two as the Secretary of State of Montana

534
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: of Montana Territory and eventually became the territorial governor. But

535
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: he uh yeah it was. He drowned in eighteen sixty

536
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: seven after falling from a steamboat and Fort Benton. The

537
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: cause of his death is disputed by historians, with various

538
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: hypotheses including weakness from dysenterry, intoxication, suicide, or murder m HM.

539
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: Timothy Egan wrote and wrote a wrote a book about him.

540
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: Really ye before he started hit it big damn the

541
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: drinking Man's bio man um. That's great. So the mar

542
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: County undership. So you're talking about the article that he

543
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: got served below this article or they worked in the art.

544
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: They just work it into the end. I mean it's

545
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: it's like not really relevant, but it's like interesting. And

546
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: this is what I have more questions about than the

547
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: flock shooting. Elk Mark County under Sheriff Jeremy West said

548
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: one of the hunters in the group later died from

549
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: a heart complication that was unrelated to the incident. The

550
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: person's name was not immediately released. That had to add

551
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: like chaos on chaos out there. Where do they threw

552
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: it in though it wasn't related? Are you sure, But

553
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: I imagine like somebody who was maybe also in that

554
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: area but like didn't wasn't aware of what was going on.

555
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: Maybe like so an ambulance or an airlifted or like

556
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: a helicopter. They're clarifying for people, and maybe I assume

557
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 1: so because that had to like add questions to this

558
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: whole event. And then they're like, oh, someone got shot. Yeah,

559
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: you gotta make some calls, man, you gotta do some

560
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: investigative journalism. But now now I'm hung up on Thomas Marr.

561
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: That into your sure that that trumps the rest of this.

562
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: I think, all right, we gott let's move on quick.

563
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: So what we got get to get to our guests.

564
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: We've got two things we got covered. So just recently

565
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: we had an episode, what was that episode called Oh

566
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: good good people for a good Country. We talked about

567
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: how utahns Is that what you would say, are Utah

568
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: is a trial that the team, Yeah, that's what Utah

569
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: is named after. It though, is that trap? But I'm

570
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: gonna be completely wrong. I believe it is Utahn's um

571
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: at at the election have a ballot measure, and it's

572
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: whether or not to encode to codify the right to

573
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: hunting fish in Utah. And we were talking about when

574
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: we were covering this piece of news with the guests

575
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: from Utah, who's who who introduced this bill for the state?

576
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: We're talking about where does this Where do the things

577
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: find their teeth? Like, let's say a state has a

578
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: state right to hunting fish. They have a constitutional right

579
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: to hunting fish, Like what does that mean? Like where

580
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: does the rubber meet the road on that? Just so

581
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: happens that, Um, we now have the first lawsuit in

582
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: this state. This is you know, this is local news

583
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: for us, but national news for everybody else. I think

584
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: it's fair to say because for the first time someone's

585
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: doing a suit suing the state, the governor, fishing Game,

586
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: various people using the right to hunt and fish as

587
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: their argument. What they're doing is there's a conservation group.

588
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: What's the name of that group? Idin't heard of them.

589
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: I kind of like them though. Outdoor Heritage Coalition, the

590
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: Outdoor Heritage Coalition is suing the state governor and Fishing

591
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: Game Office and others under the right to hunting fish thing.

592
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: They're suing the state for putting for putting what they

593
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: regard as being too conservative of a quota around the

594
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: wolf harvest. It's infringing on the right to hunt fish

595
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: because wolves are decimating elk numbers in these areas. So

596
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: they're saying, by you putting an unnecessary cap on the

597
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: killing of overpopulated wolves, you are infringing on our right

598
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: to hunting fish because you're allowing all of our game

599
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: to get decimated, which is sly buying it. Are they

600
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: even reaching quotas currently for wolves? I mean, I felt

601
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: like that was like I felt like the bottleneck for

602
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: wolf reduction was hunter effort because they're hard as hell

603
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: to kill. Yeah, it was easy for a couple of minutes,

604
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: then it got hard. Yeah, they got smart and they

605
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: have huge, uge territories and they're just slide bastards. You

606
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: rarely see them just telling you what to do a

607
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: follow up report. That's interesting, But I bring it up

608
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: only because, um, we're talking about when does it When

609
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: does the when does like, if you have the right

610
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: to hunt fish, when does that actually even become a

611
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: like it's like, Okay, that's all good and fine, but

612
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: where is it exercised? And so this is an example

613
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: of someone trying to exercise it. Uh, Sam, just pull

614
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: up a little map showing um, a map shows which

615
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: states have a constitutional right to hunt fish. If you're

616
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: into conspiracy theories, I think you should explore the fact.

617
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: I would explore the fact that the states when you

618
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: look at a US map were the states that have

619
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: Do you like how they put it in red? Yeah?

620
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: What how do they use for when you don't gray? No?

621
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: What's California? That's for legislation on constitutional right to hunting

622
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: fish is pending? Oh? I like it that they put

623
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: red as you have the right to hunt fish, get

624
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: for it is the only blue one. There's also a

625
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: Rhode Island, but that so it's it's California. Is good

626
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: because it's pending, but they'll never anyhow. This is three

627
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: years old, so that was probably If you're in a

628
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories though, you might want to look at this

629
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: map because the states that have a right to hunting

630
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: fish form a circle. Let me see Sam with a

631
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: hole in the middle. Huh. I think there's something to

632
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: be delved into there that's not accidental. What are the

633
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: two gray ones r out there in the middle. Yeah,

634
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: that's what he's talking about. That's that's South Dakota, Iowa

635
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: Missouri and Illinois. So good, lefty anti Illinois don't have

636
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: the right to hunt? Those are big Well, the constitutional right,

637
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: you know that there's there's the right to hunt and

638
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: fish in all of these states, but some some states

639
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: have have chosen to say that it's like, you know,

640
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: it's a god given right that you can that you

641
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: can hunt and fish. Which yeah, I'm I've always been

642
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: interested to know, like where the rubber meets the road.

643
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: They're like, like, how you use it? Yeah, So I mean,

644
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: if if that were to pass in California, like the

645
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: only thing that comes to mind is how California, you know,

646
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: banned for trapping even with that, Well here's here. This

647
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: sound constitutional even in a hard hit and hunting in

648
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: fishing state like Utah. Um. He they didn't put trapping

649
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: on there because they don't want to muddy the waters

650
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: and lose popularity. But he said, it's actually it's there's

651
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: an implication there. It's like implied the cover trapping and

652
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: should be used. But if you put trapping on there

653
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: to lose support, that's interesting. That's where you got to

654
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: use it to because because this says that Montana has

655
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: a constitutional right to hunting fish which I did not know,

656
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: but I mean it makes sense. But yeah, there's that

657
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 1: legislation introduced like every time to ban trapping on public land.

658
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: So I wonder where that where that falls because they're

659
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: too chicken to put trapping on there. Dude, I'm gonna

660
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: once I get done fighting hunters or laws and get

661
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: the whole everything reduced to just the hunter's orange hat

662
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: is all you need. I'm gonna take up right to trap.

663
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Uh, what else do we want to

664
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: talk about? That? Not much to say about that. Um,

665
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: if you're in Colorado and you were one of the

666
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: what I'm predicting to be you were one of the

667
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: minority of people who voted against making the state draw

668
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 1: up a wolf reintroduction plan, I applaud you because they're

669
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: arriving on their own. They're there now anyway. That's the

670
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: path to take. That's the path to take. So thank you,

671
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: even though I'm sure you lost. Uh, one last thing, guys,

672
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: are you okay? I'm good? One last thing? Okay, hit it, Spencer,

673
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: Oh wait, we need the introe thing, the lasting I

674
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: don't remember. Oh, speaking of suing people, how's that for

675
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: a segue? I get I sent you the article to

676
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: do a little report on it. Oh, I I don't

677
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: have anything to re point. You're gonna be able to

678
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: produce a better report than I. Okay. One of the things,

679
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: um right now, I'm extremely uh disheartened with the Trump

680
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: administration over their decision to lift roadless rules in Tongas

681
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: and open up like half of Tongas National Forest to

682
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: logging and road building. That's a pisser. But what I

683
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: have been applauding them for is opening up a bunch

684
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: of US wildlife refuges where appropriate, opening up hunting and

685
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: fishing on a bunch of US wildlife refuges and fish

686
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: hatchers and stuff, so creating more acreage for Americans to

687
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: hunt and fish. The Center for Biological Diversity is suing

688
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: them so that they can't trying to stop that from

689
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: happening under the Endangered Species Act, which I'm interested to

690
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: see that complaint because they didn't open it up to

691
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: hunting endangered species. That's the thing I think that these

692
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: people haven't read the I think that the Center for

693
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: Biological Diversity hasn't read up on what it is. I

694
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: had to like, Oh, they're gonna start hunting endangered species.

695
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: They can't do that. It's like, no, they're not gonna

696
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: start hunting dangered species. They're allowed to hunt the normal

697
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: ship that everybody gets to hunt per state rules on

698
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: refuges where it makes sense, which you can already do

699
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: in a bunch of them. Anyway, it opens up an

700
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: additional three thousand six square miles. You can hunt shiploads

701
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: of refuge land already. It's opening up some additional ones.

702
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: And they assume as though this is one of those

703
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: groups that like, there are a lot of things. One

704
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: of the things they are is an anti hunting organization.

705
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: Every you will never I challenge a listener to send

706
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: me a thing where the Center for Biological Diversity hasn't

707
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: taken a knee jerk reaction against hunting. No, that's what

708
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: they do. But they're like when I tell friends, oh,

709
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: it's like ANNI hunting group. Oh no, they're not, like, Okay,

710
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: there they are. It's not there like mission. But they

711
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: emerge as a nitpicky, like a very nitpicky like yeah,

712
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: any issues, like let me guess, let me guess, let

713
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: me guess. They're gonna be uh. Their stands will be

714
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: antagonistic to the interests of hunters and fishermen. Maybe I'm wrong.

715
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: Is there any national fish hatchery that you can hunt on? Well,

716
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: there's not that I've ever done. But I know there's

717
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: some fish hatcheries that have some sizeable holdings, and it

718
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 1: wouldn't be in there if it wasn't. I haven't looked

719
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: at I haven't looked at the fish hatchery component. Yeah,

720
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: there's probably some fish hatchery that's got a couple of

721
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: thousand akers. One man, there's some giant ones in Washington

722
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't be wouldn't be at all surprised to

723
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: know that hunting was allowed and totally would fit in

724
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: with the management now fishing the fish hatchery. That could

725
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: be good well in Washington, in Washington, That's the whole point.

726
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: I got another one. You're always people are always piled

727
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: up right around the hatchery hole. We used to call

728
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: it the There's one particular one we called the crack

729
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: pipe because there's just this one cast that you wanted

730
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: to make because all these steel head would pull in

731
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: right below the outflow of the hatchery because they get that,

732
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: they get that sent you know that they come back

733
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: to and you can you had if you could make

734
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: this one tricky cast up into into the concrete outflow

735
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: of the hatchery. You would catch your steel head nearly

736
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: every time. Yeah, I'm probably really excited about it. Yeah. Yeah,

737
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: So a bit more on this than we're gonna wrap

738
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: this up. So the in this country we have in

739
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: the in the US of A, we have five d

740
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: and fifty wildlife refuges. Um this this move this additional

741
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: three thousand, six hundred square miles. We'll bump it up

742
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: to where you can now hunt on four thirty refuges

743
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: fourty of the five fifty, you can fish on three

744
00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: hundred sixty of the five fifty. Has implications for people

745
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: in thirty seven states. I think it's a common misconception

746
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: in in then in the public sphere that wildlife refugees

747
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: exclude hunting. I mean, and and honestly, the the naming

748
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: isn't isn't that great? You know, it seems like a

749
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: ref refuge where animals can go flee from US horrible

750
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: hunters or something where they flee from development. Yeah. Absolutely,

751
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: And and I've I've corrected people on this tons of

752
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: times that like this is this is a habitat refuge,

753
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: this is this is undeveloped land. This is, but it's

754
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: it's it's meant for the it's meant for people's enjoyment.

755
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: And there are I mean, how like half of Alaska's

756
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: National wildlife refuges. I mean not half, but like giant,

757
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: giant portions, and all of it's wide open to hunting.

758
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: So I think I think there's I think there's a

759
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: broad misunderstanding that we could correct. Uh, you know, in

760
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: the in the public, that that hunting is a is

761
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: an important management tool on our national wildlife refuge system.

762
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: You know where I bet I'll be allied with the

763
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: Center for Biological Diversity. I bet you I could guarant

764
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: damn t they're annoyed about the Tongas ruling. I'm certain

765
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: they are. So maybe me, maybe we can find a

766
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: little friendship and hug over that. Here's a question for you,

767
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: Cody Cannon Whiskey Myers's gonna don't tell crant I asked

768
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: you this. I'm not asking you what any songs mean,

769
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: But why is it offensive that people ask you what

770
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: a song means? No, I didn't say it was offensive.

771
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: We were talking about yeah, but I don't want to

772
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: know what they mean. But why does that bother you

773
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: because I would feel no, no, go ahead, yeah no.

774
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: We were just talking about how people take how you

775
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: can ride a song and people, I'm I wrote it,

776
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: and I think it means one thing. You got a

777
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: different idea of what it meant because it meant something

778
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: different to you. You you know, it's all different, and

779
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: I think there's some magic in that. I think that's me.

780
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: Don't ask that question. And it's like, nah, yeah, I

781
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: want to. I want to come with you now. They're like,

782
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: when I hear this, it gives me this feeling of

783
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: I said, my brother a song, that's that's that's cooler.

784
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: It's like abstract art. Yeah, it's like it's it's a

785
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: n eyes older and it could be so far out

786
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: and left field and you're like, yeah, but it means

787
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: that to them, And like, what did I say? I

788
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: said it was like when you read a book and

789
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: you have a character in your mind and you see

790
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: the movie and they don't look anything like that. It's

791
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: like the same thing. It's like, it's like you ever

792
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: watched the movie The Road. Yeah, in the end, yeah,

793
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: Corn McCarthy's The Road in the end, it's you know,

794
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: a little boys dad dies and he wanders out to

795
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: your road and gets picked up. This guy Cort McCarthy

796
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: describes him in the book as being like he looks

797
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: like he survived many skirmishes and anyways, the dude in

798
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, I'm like, that's not who

799
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: that is. I was like, I had that's way off

800
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: the image I built with very little information. See I

801
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: read that book after reading the movie or after watching

802
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: the movie. So so yeah, so, which I hate, which

803
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: I hate doing because then the movie informs it because

804
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: then and then you don't have there's less creativity going

805
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: in on the reader's perspective. That's a really job. I

806
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: like that answer. I was expecting to be annoyed by

807
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: your answer. That's a great answer. I don't hate it,

808
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: but it was just like I like it to be

809
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: open into interpretation, especially on some songs. I don't have

810
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: any specific ones in mind, but you know, people get different,

811
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: different ideas, and I think that's cool. Well, I was

812
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: telling him this morning that that his song frog Man

813
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: must be about fishing frog baits or bass. That's what

814
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: that's what it means to me. And ain't when nobody's

815
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: gonna tell me different. What did you hear. In response,

816
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: he said, huh, I sent my brother, Uh you're here.

817
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: Uh Sturgell Simpson cover that song when you Need a Friend. Yeah,

818
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: the promise, Yeah, the promise. Yeah, I said to my brother.

819
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: And he wrote me back saying how it reminded him

820
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: of his first dog. It felt like it was about

821
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: or reminded him of his first dog dying exactly exactly.

822
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, you can't say, well, that's not

823
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: what it's about by a guy. Yeah, it's cool to say.

824
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 1: I know people want to hear that sometimes, but sometimes

825
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: it's like I just let it, just let it be,

826
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, especially like before the album comes out, we'll

827
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: do a lot of questions and stuff and they'll be

828
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: like I want you to explain each song and stuff

829
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: like that. It's like, nah, but that feels so reductive

830
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: it right, And it's like, tell me, tell me literally

831
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: what the thing is, so that this is how I'm

832
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: supposed to think and about it instead of having your

833
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: own relationship to hearing your music. Yea thousand percent, that's

834
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I meant. Um do you are

835
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: you able to share with fans and listeners, like if

836
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: they say here's what I think about when I hear it. Um,

837
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: do you then have do you then refrain from saying

838
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: that's great? Um? I love it. You're right, here's what

839
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: I was thinking. Or do you not even do that?

840
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: You'd pulling the Trump card? No, yeah, it's just I

841
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 1: don't remember. I probably different responses to it. But it's

842
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: it's cool. Whatever they think are more than that. They

843
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: would probably ask ask you like, hey, what does this mean?

844
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: And that's cool, you know, but you know, not necessarily

845
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: in like an interview telling everybody what it's supposed to me.

846
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: Did that mean that? It's like, no, it was actually

847
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: about this. It's like a little bit different. So that's

848
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: how I would do that. I see your colleague here

849
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: as a Stones tattoo. Oh yeah, did you get that

850
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: after the show? Got it? Literally? I got it in

851
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: Seattle that day. Yeah, after we we played Immigrant here

852
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: in Montana. I was at that show, went to went

853
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: to Soldier Field, played that, and then we startled back

854
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: around to Seattle at the I guess the Neptune and

855
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: then I got it there. Chris introduced herself, Um, Chris Poe, uh,

856
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: content creator for Whiskey Myers, that that was a big

857
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: deal on when it was it cool too. When you

858
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: guys tell people little bit about that you want up

859
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: having sort of uhum, a sort of endorsement of sorts

860
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: from the Stones. Yeah. Just uh we got to open

861
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: up a show for them at Soldier Field in Chicago. Uh.

862
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: And it's just one of those things that's, like they say,

863
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime, that's like a never in a

864
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: laf thing. Uh. And you know they they pick and

865
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: a and a proved. I think Mick does all the

866
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: all the bands that get to open for them, So

867
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: just to be able to do that was really special. U.

868
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: That's a there were a huge influence, uh to me

869
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: personally in the band. Also, you know, it's one of

870
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: my favorite bands, if not my favorite band. Yeah. How

871
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: could the best stuff about America be written by some

872
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: British dudes? Hey, but they were at Yeah, but they

873
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: understood America way better than Americans. Well, they were trying

874
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: to sing the blues man and they love blues and

875
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: country music and it come from America, come from the South.

876
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: It's really interesting you think that they were like you

877
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: think they had lived like six lifetimes in America. Yeah. Yeah,

878
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: they're great. Um. Put it this way, like Jamie, our

879
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: bass players said, we're talking about how how cool you

880
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: know it would be. He was like, we could go

881
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: and play Soldier Field and sell it out and it

882
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: still wouldn't be as cool as playing, yeah, as opening

883
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: for the Relling Stones that Soldier Field. So it was

884
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: it was great. Which one of your bandmates is laid

885
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: up right now from crashing a YouTube from crashing the

886
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: side by side? What's that all about? That's John Man

887
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: and you guys were hot dogging, not hot dogging. I

888
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: wasn't there, You weren't even present. Now, he definitely was.

889
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: John's always kind of been reckless with the NATV. Look

890
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: close to you, I said, John has always been reckless

891
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: with an ATV. So he was definitely hot dog And

892
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: it was definitely And who's this now, John? What was

893
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: he play? His name is John Jeffers. He's a guitar player.

894
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: So tell what happened. It was in the pursuit of game.

895
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: He was running down a herd out. He was literally

896
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: he went to go cut one doughnut from a dead

897
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: stop and he rolled it and uh, and he didn't

898
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: have a seat built on watch Poke was actually with

899
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: him and he was buckled in, Thank goodness. So he

900
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: they Polk said they rolled three times. John said they

901
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: rolled once. We don't really know, so nobody saw it

902
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: except for them, but there's a dispute about whether it

903
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: was three roles or one role. Yeah. So okay, he's

904
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: out of stand still and he's like, let's cut a

905
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: cookie for no reason. He was on one of these

906
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: like jacked up like it was. It's a polarish racer.

907
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: It's like this big, jacked up kind of top heavy

908
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: top vehicles and it's very powerful. So he just gunned

909
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: it and when he did, it just completely flipped over.

910
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 1: And I don't think he definitely didn't think it would

911
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: do that. It did. It was pretty serious. Actually, he

912
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: has fine. He has fine by the way, he'll be.

913
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 1: He's gonna make a full recover. He's good. He's very good.

914
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: Uh what's your what's your guys connection? Um, Like, how

915
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: did you get into hunting and fishing? Were you in

916
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: the hunting fishing before music? Yeah? Way before? So talk

917
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: through that, like you're like, I kind of like to

918
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: hunting fish, but I kind of like music, Yeah, I would.

919
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: Music was so foreign to me. I always it was. Yeah,

920
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: I mean I liked it. I loved you know music,

921
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: you listen to music, your parents listen to music as

922
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: a kid, but nobody what your parents listen to, um,

923
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, scannered, Mike Williams Jr. Alan Jackson, stuff like

924
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: the typical stuff like that you're throwing Alan Jackson with

925
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: Skinner and well, yeah, I would say, yeah, that would

926
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 1: that would probably have been like the boys. They would

927
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: have you know, like some you know, old rock, old country,

928
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: and then they would have been listening to like the

929
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: current stuff. That was a good job that. I don't

930
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 1: know why I question that. Yeah, that all makes sense.

931
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: You're conveying like a variety yeah, rather than a style

932
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: of Yeah for sure, because we have a lot of variety.

933
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: I think told you I'm thirty five, um so yeah.

934
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: But playing music was kind of foreign to me because

935
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: nobody in my immediate immediate family really played music or

936
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: instruments or anything like that or wherever in a band.

937
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: But we always fished in hunt. So if you would

938
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: asked like that my younger self, I would have thought

939
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: it would have been what would you do when you

940
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: grow up? I would probably be like, Oh, I'm a

941
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: fishing hunt, not playing music, And then that just did

942
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,959
Speaker 1: you poor? Yeah, we weren't super poor, but I would say,

943
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: you know, middle class or lower middle class, like my

944
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: mom cut hair and my dad worked it. You know,

945
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: it was like a prison guard, so that's not super

946
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: lucrative jobs. But anything, how did how did your dad

947
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: handle being a prison guard? Was he did he get

948
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: that kind of like anger or was he? No? Well

949
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: he was cool? Where from? Not that? Not that that's

950
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: not cool what I'm saying like that, that's a taxing job.

951
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm getting at. Yeah, it can be,

952
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: because yeah, they have to deal with a lot of

953
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. But where we're from, that's like I think,

954
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: like everybody in my family worked at the prison because

955
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 1: there's like seven prisons outside of our area, and so

956
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: when you're from our area, you either leave or you

957
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: work for Walmart or the prison system. And so we're

958
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: from Palestine, Texas around around there. I'm actually from Nature's

959
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: which is about ten miles, uh, fifteen miles outside of Palestine,

960
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: which is just in East Texas. You two grew up

961
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: to go to, right, Chris, Yeah, we did. Yeah, we

962
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: grew up playing playing baseball when we were young, since

963
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: we were probably four or five, so that's kind of

964
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: how we that's kind of how we met. And then

965
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: bass fishing was always real big for us whenever we

966
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: were growing up, and like our our dads would take

967
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: their vacations around, like when we were on spring break

968
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: and we would go to Lake fok and for years. Yeah,

969
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: it's awesome. I want to hear. I want to hear

970
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: you tell the audience about about your thoughts on eating bass.

971
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: I said, it's a sin. Yeah, you know, people get all,

972
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, touchy about that and and I don't, you know,

973
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: if if that's what you want to do, I don't care.

974
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me. But I always throw them back,

975
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: you know. But you have you ever eaten a large both?

976
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I'm sure I have when I was younger,

977
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: but not recently or anything. So you guys knew each

978
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: other at four or five and I was and you

979
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: were already fishing. Fishing was in your family's Yeah, you

980
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: guys have do you guys have boats and stuff? Back then?

981
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: He's like bank fisherman. Yeah, my dad had an old

982
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: champion that we look like, rigged out for bad. Yeah.

983
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: I never had a boat until I was older, so

984
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: it was just pond hopping unless I got to go

985
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: with like with y'all or like some of my dad's

986
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: friends or something. But yeah, fishing and hunting. I mean

987
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: this hell we grew up. That was just in our DNA.

988
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: It's just it's like breathing. Did you guys eat I

989
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: know you didn't eat those bass, but you guys grew

990
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: up eating eating game and stuff from the family tar duck,

991
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: some fish, yeah, cropping stuff like that dove. And then

992
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: but your your parents split up when you were young? Yes, yeah,

993
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: how did that play out? Um? Impact you? How did

994
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: that impact your interests and whatnot? Um? As far as

995
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: fishing and stuff that. I mean, it was still the

996
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: same for me. But my mom remarried, uh my stepdad

997
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: now and he was super big hunter and so we

998
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: actually hit it off and we've been like best friends

999
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: ever since when we would go. So that wasn't wasn't

1000
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: the problem. Yeah, that it didn't affect that at all. Yeah,

1001
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: I think a lot about I don't want to spend

1002
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: a lot of time on this, but I think a

1003
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: lot about if I was the past way all of

1004
00:56:55,239 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: a sudden, um heart disease, Like let's say I died

1005
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: right now, addiction. It's that odied right now on opioids.

1006
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, what I rather my wife wound up with

1007
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: a dude like my brother or something. Right, they're married,

1008
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: but let's say like some dude like basically exactly like me?

1009
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: Or would I rather she wound up with some dude

1010
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: way different? Yeah, not near as cool, just way different,

1011
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: Like which is uh, which is more palatable for me? Oh?

1012
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think about that. If it

1013
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: was a dude way different, I'd be like, uh, boy ah,

1014
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: we must have been way mismatched or something. It was

1015
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: a dude just like me, I'd be like, oh sleep,

1016
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: So I like the basic parameters were okay. So yeah,

1017
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: so she wound up like with another hunter? Yeah, did

1018
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: you have to? Did you feel like if you if

1019
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: you're growing up and you have a stepdad and a

1020
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: dad and they both to go hunting? Yah? Was there?

1021
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: Did that create like jealousy and stuff with your dad? No?

1022
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: I was real fortunate. Uh, there was never any animosity.

1023
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: Everybody got along and they still get along in my family,

1024
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: So I know that it wasn't a bad thing where

1025
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, the sad hates that sad or anything like that.

1026
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: That's one thing I would not be able to stomach. Dude, Yeah,

1027
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: some other guy taking my kid. Oh yeah, everything was Yeah.

1028
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: They always got along and stuff, which is good. You

1029
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: know you had Chris, you had the same situation, right, absolutely. Yeah. Well,

1030
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: our parents actually got a divorce around the same Our

1031
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: dad's roommates there for a while, so I kind of

1032
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: lived together when we were in sixth grades. Pretty much.

1033
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:52,479
Speaker 1: You guys really stuck together. All of us really known

1034
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: each other in the band for the most part forever.

1035
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: We're just all from the same area. We grew up together.

1036
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: You know, what's it like? Uh, now that you're you know,

1037
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: you're you've had some I have not had having success

1038
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: and kind of like doing this thing that isn't on

1039
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: the radar people you grew up around. Is it challenging?

1040
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: Is it like that you lost your way and you're

1041
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: not one of us anymore? Like is that kind of

1042
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: stuff going? I don't know. I don't not to our

1043
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: face at least. Um, we haven't changed very much. We're

1044
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: kind of the same. I mean, obviously we're older and

1045
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: been around the world. See changed at a little bit,

1046
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: but I keep my blinders on. It sounds fake, but

1047
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: it's real. I mean we all do like I don't

1048
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: care about any of it. I just go out and

1049
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: do my do my thing. Um, you kind of have

1050
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of a reputation for I want to

1051
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: get back to how you got into music, so don't

1052
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: forget that, but you have a you have a reputation

1053
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: as uh kind of playing by your own rules a

1054
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, and being a leary of not antagonistic

1055
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: tour but maybe leary of shy about into street stuff

1056
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: like maintaining control and all that. Do you feel that

1057
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: that's kind of Is that like an artistic thing or

1058
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: is that like a thing from growing up how you

1059
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: grew up. I'd say both. Um, yeah, well, I mean

1060
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: we just wanted to do our own thing. We wanted

1061
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: to play our own music. Some people get into music,

1062
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: I think, and they want to be famous, you know,

1063
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:27,479
Speaker 1: they don't care. They want to be famous. Um, there's

1064
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. But I don't think anybody in

1065
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: our band had that ever in mind. It was like,

1066
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: that's what you did. We played music. We're in a

1067
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: band now, that's what we do. And it was important

1068
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: for us to have our own style and have our

1069
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: own control. And I think that probably has to a

1070
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: little bit to do with your upbringing bringing her being

1071
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: a little bit you know, ignorant redneck. Now hell with that,

1072
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it my own way. Uh, but that

1073
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: was very important. It's still important to us. So that's

1074
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: why we've never signed any record deals or anything. We've

1075
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: always been independent and we always want to be I

1076
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: think I do. I don't. It's like, why the hell

1077
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: do I want a boss? Do you do? You feel

1078
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: a lot of calls about signing record deals we had,

1079
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: we've had, we'd have have had opportunities and stuff like that,

1080
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: and we just it's just not for us, you know,

1081
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: especially with the band like us, we were a little different.

1082
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: You know, we don't fit a certain genre, a certain style,

1083
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: and I don't think they would even know what to

1084
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: do with this. What was genre would you like self

1085
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: identify with if you if you had I don't even

1086
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: like genures. I think I think that's just like a

1087
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: thing for selling. It should makes it easier for people

1088
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: to put it in a box and sell it, you know,

1089
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: for marketing and stuff. Uh. I'm not big on genres

1090
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: because like all the stuff that I like musically, had

1091
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: so much like for the Stones, for example, Like they

1092
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: wrote some of the best country songs every blues it

1093
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: was rock and roll. It was popping, says my favorite

1094
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: country band's rock band. Yeah, skinnered so many different influences,

1095
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: even stuff like Whalon Jennings and stuff that was rock

1096
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: and roll to those people back then in the country scene.

1097
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: So I was always a big fan of people who

1098
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: did different stuff. Isn't it funny with like Whalen that

1099
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: if you read about Whalen now people are like, I

1100
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: hate country except for that Whalen Jennings. And when Whalings

1101
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: Jennings time, it was like, hey country, yeah exactly. It's

1102
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: really like the you know, uh, I should tell you

1103
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: this about genres. It's kind of this interesting story. Uh.

1104
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: When I was in school, I took this class called

1105
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: the Literature of natural History, and you read everything from

1106
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, like Henry David Throw, you know, like Walden

1107
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: and shipped all the way up into a book about

1108
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: what it's called like bioengineering or something basically how engineers

1109
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: can look at cobwebs and and make structural you know,

1110
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: like Honeycomb would give you like ideas about how to

1111
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: make structural design. Okay, and you know This guy that

1112
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: taught this class was hank I. Wish I could remember

1113
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: his last name. He died. Him and his wife both

1114
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: drowned in a canoeing accident. Um shortly after I took

1115
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: that class. They had a cabinet on an island. We're

1116
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: paddling out there and flipped and died. But it brings

1117
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: up an interesting thing with the genre question, because he

1118
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: was really interested in this idea of natural history writing,

1119
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: and he would find that these books that he loves

1120
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: so much were hard for people to locate and hard

1121
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: to identify. And as an example, he would go into

1122
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: a bookstore and find, like books that should be together,

1123
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: we're scattered all around. And he actually contacted the Library

1124
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: of Congress where they come up with like the numerical

1125
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: systems so identify books. He contacted the Library Congress and said,

1126
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: you guys have a problem where you're not seeing what

1127
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: makes these books like the same, and you need to

1128
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: find a way for bookstores and other people to like

1129
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: draw these parallels between these this type of literature. And

1130
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: then they actually invited him down. He did like a

1131
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: sabbatical and went down to design a to design a

1132
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: genre of literature. And you might instinctively like hate that

1133
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but in some way like helps people

1134
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: locate things. Yeah, it definitely, Um, it does for sure,

1135
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: But just up from the artistic side, I don't like

1136
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 1: to I would guess to answer that question, it would

1137
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: be kind of rock and roll country, M and blues

1138
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: would be that. I think our three main influence type thing.

1139
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: That would be the best. But as far as like

1140
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: putting a lane on it, I don't think I could

1141
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: put a you know, a specific genre. I know you didn't.

1142
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: You didn't say red dirty country, but I imagine you've

1143
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: had some dealings like with that industry. What red red

1144
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: dirt country? Oh? Um, I don't you guys do a

1145
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: better job than me. Yeah, so I guess that would

1146
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,439
Speaker 1: be kind of a sub genre. Um, very hard, very

1147
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: popular in Texas, which tes in Oklahoma and the Midwest

1148
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and a lot of those guys

1149
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: it's the same. It's kind of rock and it's kind

1150
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: of country. It's just it kind of takes everything a

1151
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: lot similar to like Americana. It's kind of like that

1152
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: from the outside, like red dirt country is a lot

1153
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: more wholesome and it's real and it's not like mainstream country,

1154
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: which is like super fake and sellouts and stuff. Is

1155
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: that these don't think mainstream country is wholesome? Is that

1156
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: the reality though, that like red dirt country is what

1157
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: it seems and it's like it's not like mainstream country

1158
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: or or do they like have the same kind of

1159
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: bullshit that you'd expect. Um, Well, any time you get

1160
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: into anything at all, there's a little bit of bullshit,

1161
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: But no, I think it's very honest, kind of pure

1162
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: still um And a lot of those guys, especially when

1163
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: we were younger, like the Jason Bowlands and the rag

1164
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: Weeds and reckless Kelleys and stuff like that, they were

1165
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: they were they were different, you know, And so I

1166
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: think I don't know if they necessarily I don't know

1167
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: exactly how the name got it, you know, where it

1168
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: comes from. I'm sure people even know, you know, older

1169
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: than them. I'm not sure about that, but I know

1170
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: it's you know, called that now. But yeah, it was

1171
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: just kind of the independent mindset, you know. But but

1172
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: like for somebody who likes redder country, they can continue

1173
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: to like it because it is like what it seems, right,

1174
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: It's not like yeah for sure good. Yeah, there's some

1175
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: bands I don't know if you know, I get I

1176
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: get Kelly. I'm saying like when you say like not

1177
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,959
Speaker 1: what you can fill, I don't get it. It's it's

1178
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: not like Luke Brian, Kenny Chesney folks like that. You're

1179
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: saying like sometimes in mainstream you're getting a product that's

1180
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: not even controlled by the artist, that's really put together

1181
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: and not even them. It is independent and it's whether

1182
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: whatever that band sounds like it is actually realistically them.

1183
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: And I think I think yeah, like like Luke Brian

1184
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: would talk about shooting bucks, Copenhagen, pickup trucks, stuff like that, right,

1185
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: somebody probably wrote that because you think someone was like, hey,

1186
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: here's some keywords. But like red Dirk Country is just

1187
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: like like I said, I don't know a little more honest,

1188
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: what if they talk then they actually cheat Cogen? Oh

1189
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: you think you might not like the cope, right, But

1190
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious about, uh, you know what, what

1191
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,959
Speaker 1: what is going through the minds of artists or non

1192
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: artists when they feel more comfortable defining themselves within a

1193
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: genre and what it is you feel like you might

1194
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: be bucking up against or not wanting to accept when

1195
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: people like are trying to are you this and this?

1196
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: Do you hit this category in this? Like what is that?

1197
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: What does that feel like for you? And sometimes you

1198
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: can just listen to an artist and you say, yeah,

1199
01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: that's a rock and roll band, that's what it is.

1200
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: You can say, oh, that's country, that's straight up country,

1201
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: you know Cody Jinks great, pure country, that's country, you

1202
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: know where somebody like us, I mean one song might

1203
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: be country and the next songs like like mud and

1204
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: we're we're like gout see or something almost thrashing. So

1205
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: that's where it would be hard for me to do

1206
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: that because we do kind of go all over the place,

1207
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,480
Speaker 1: And so I don't think you could say it's country

1208
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: or rock and roll it would you say, that's that's

1209
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: more authentic to like how you feel in a day

1210
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: and a song expresses like a mood and then it

1211
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: expresses and you can that that you're just expressing as

1212
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: a band all these kind of different Yeah. I think

1213
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,799
Speaker 1: we just had a bunch of influences and we decided

1214
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: to play whatever the hell we wanted to, And so

1215
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: that's kind of why it's like that when we saw

1216
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: you guys um at the Old Saloon and Immigrant last summer.

1217
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: I know, me and all my friends were a little

1218
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: bit taken aback because I think I think you had

1219
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,799
Speaker 1: you know, you're some of your allids have have become

1220
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: a little bit more more prominent and popular and you know,

1221
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: really beautiful, really really captivating. But you guys rocked out

1222
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: way harder than we are especially expecting. Yeah, and so

1223
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 1: it we're we're going there expecting more more of like

1224
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: a more of like a full you know, country kind

1225
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: of show, and it was a full on rock show. Yeah,

1226
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: especially live at it. Yeah, we lack to rock. It's fun,

1227
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: especially for the lab things. People gravitate towards the ballads

1228
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: and slow songs. That's just people. People like sad songs.

1229
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: That's just kind of There's even a song I like

1230
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: called said songs. Yeah. I think I've heard that we

1231
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: read sad songs. Yeah. Um, it's true. It's a true statement. Man,

1232
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: people dig sad songs. It's like, oh, you want a

1233
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:50,560
Speaker 1: sad song? Do you call this song sad songs? Um?

1234
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: What percentage? And I'm not gonna ask you what any

1235
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 1: ship means, but what percentage? What percentage of your music

1236
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: would you say is informed by it is informed by hunting, fishing,

1237
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 1: outdoor pursuits. Like even even in terms of the vernacular,

1238
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: I think a lot of vernacular. I don't think I

1239
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 1: don't have any songs about hunting and fishing per se.

1240
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 1: But they'll they'll say stuff in them. You know, gasoline

1241
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: has a line. I think frog band has a line

1242
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 1: in it. Um, that load of a Southern Man has

1243
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: that line. And so there's there's things that you could tell, yeah,

1244
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: like like like like terminology or references or something. Yeah,

1245
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 1: but not necessarily like, hey, I'm going fishing today. Yeah.

1246
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: One of my favorite lyrics, I'm taking that ship man. Well,

1247
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: that one starts with I don't mind work and I

1248
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: love to fish the son of a Bitch. The first

1249
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:51,440
Speaker 1: time I heard that, I'm like, yeah, I resonate with that. Uh.

1250
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: Do you so always like to ask people who are

1251
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: like somewhat in the you know, at least somewhat are

1252
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 1: all the way in the black eye? Um? Do you

1253
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 1: A lot of people who are interested in the blood sports,

1254
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: um get to a point where they feel they need

1255
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: to draw some separation because it's a liability. Yeah, I'll

1256
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 1: never be like that, but do you understand why they

1257
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: do it? Have you have you been in a situation where,

1258
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: like I did, almost be easier if I had just

1259
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: like it wasn't associated uh not too hot attle bit.

1260
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, uh, are European fans are not

1261
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: down with hunting and stuff like that? But it's it

1262
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: just comes from ignorance. Like when I when I had

1263
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: all those pictures of the hogs and stuff like that,

1264
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, they were like everybody was bitching and stuff,

1265
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, shout, I guess I shouldn't even

1266
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 1: have posted that. But but you thought that for a minute. Yeah,

1267
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know whatever, but not to just

1268
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I'm not gonna hunt and all that stuff. Now,

1269
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would never do that. That's just who

1270
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 1: I am. I'm not I'm not changing. I have no

1271
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 1: interest in changing to be bigger or famous or have

1272
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: more money or anything like that. I'm completely fine with

1273
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: how I am. Do you where do you draw your

1274
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: main You mentioned like hearing from European fans. You mean

1275
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: like in social media comments. Yeah, supposedly they were lack

1276
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: up six we killed a bunch of pigs, and they

1277
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 1: comes from ignorance. They didn't know that they're wanted an

1278
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: invasive species, so they shouldn't even have been there, and

1279
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: we shot a bunch of ducks yesterday. They're not. Yeah,

1280
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: but they probably would freak out about that too, But

1281
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: that was really it. I don't think we've had a

1282
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: lot of backlash other than that. But I don't have

1283
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: social media or anything like that, So even if they

1284
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: were talking a lot of ship, I wouldn't hear about

1285
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: it unless somebody told me, what's your main what's the

1286
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 1: main way you communicate with what's the main way you

1287
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: like communicate with fans? Like how do you know like

1288
01:12:54,400 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: what they're thinking? I think poke. Someone says it goes

1289
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: back keeping my blinders on and doing my thing, you know,

1290
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: trying not to be influenced. There's gotta be some element

1291
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: of like some some metric that you look at. M hm, No,

1292
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: I don't. Let's tell me no, just doing my thing?

1293
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,759
Speaker 1: Should I? I I guess I should be listening to somebody else.

1294
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll just do our thing. Man. Well,

1295
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean, what are they gonna tell me, like, oh,

1296
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 1: you should write this song? You know, Like I'm not

1297
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 1: listening to what they tell you. Yeah something, Yeah, I

1298
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: feel it's not Someone would say you know what in

1299
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 1: the position you're in, you know what you ought to do? Yeah,

1300
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: you never get that, n not to what is a

1301
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: stereotypical European fan, Like, is he like me and Sam

1302
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 1: longdred or No. No, they're great fans, but they just

1303
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 1: don't see uh. A lot of our American fans would

1304
01:13:55,800 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 1: understand more of the guns side, the hunting side and stuff.

1305
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: Uh where they might lack our music, but they don't.

1306
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 1: They don't see the same at all. So that would

1307
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: be the only difference. I would say, I've had those

1308
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 1: conversations with Europeans man, and I really I really feel

1309
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: like you know that that cold those many of those

1310
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: cultures have just become so divorced from hunting. And it's

1311
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: it's the way that hunting has always been managed over there.

1312
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 1: It's always private land. It's always been kind of the

1313
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: realm of the aristocracy, and it's it's it's usually not

1314
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: that people are opposed to killing animals or eating meat,

1315
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 1: but it's like they misunderstand our motivations a little. Suits

1316
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: and ships exactly. And those people are probably never even

1317
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: touching the dead animal, like maybe if it like arrives

1318
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: on their plate, but they've got like game managers and

1319
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: stuff for that. And I know I've had a number

1320
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 1: of conversations with people in bars and you know, in

1321
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: in France and Germany, England, Italy where where I talk

1322
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 1: about like, you know, how how hunting is you know,

1323
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: an integral part of the our conservation of these species

1324
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: is how we do it for how we do it

1325
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: for me, how it's deeply you know, steeped in tradition,

1326
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: and it's it's just it's our it's our recreation, it's

1327
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: our it's our passion. And people come around immediately, but

1328
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: at first they're like hunting, oh, but it's just it's

1329
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 1: very foreign to them. It is. Yeah, people just don't

1330
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:20,759
Speaker 1: get it's not as cognitive as it is in America.

1331
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: It's just not it's not as part of a big,

1332
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: as part of the culture. It's it's such a small minority. There.

1333
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: Far be it from me to be an apologist for

1334
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 1: the continent of Europe. But it's been pointed out to

1335
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 1: me by UH listeners in Europe that when we talk

1336
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:42,759
Speaker 1: about Europe, we're talking about a large, extremely diverse area

1337
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: as though we're talking about England. Like we say Europe,

1338
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: but what we kind of mean is like what I've heard,

1339
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: the feedback I've heard from people is that like, you've

1340
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: been to Scotland in England and you saw kind of

1341
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: what goes on there in the hunting world, and then

1342
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: you extend that to the entire continent, which I've been

1343
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: told is exceedingly ignorant. Sure, sure, but I still like

1344
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: to do it. It's fun. It's not. Yeah, it's not.

1345
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 1: It's not a monolith. It's it's not a monolith because

1346
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: there are dudes are There are dudes right now. There

1347
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 1: are dudes right now hunting moose on public land in

1348
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: Europe and now stomping the freaking marshes for that. The

1349
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: one bird I want to get, the only one I want,

1350
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: the only bird I want to get more than an

1351
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: oscillated turkey. No, the only bird, the second bird I

1352
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: want to There's no bird I want more than oscild turkey.

1353
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 1: Second to that is one, and then big damn Capa

1354
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: Kelly things. They're like, yeah, there are dudes out there

1355
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: right now skulking around on skis and snowshoes and ship

1356
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: bushwhacking around trying to find one of those. It's not

1357
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: like you know then, you know, in some parts of Europe,

1358
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: the ones I'm more familiar with, Like you hired the

1359
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: local poor kids to go out and beat the brush

1360
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 1: and touch because you don't want to have to pick

1361
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: up any birds, so you hire local poor kids to

1362
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: go pick them up for you. Then you all go

1363
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: back and have a spot of t and uh and

1364
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 1: they clean them all. But it's like it's a big place. Yeah,

1365
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: but there there are there are some unifying there are

1366
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: some unifying aspects well that that there isn't really that

1367
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: there isn't really a system of public land by and

1368
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: large in Europe and in Scandinavia and there there there

1369
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 1: there's some sort of kind of de facto public land,

1370
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: but it ends it ends up being it ends up

1371
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: being more and it's also and firearms are far more

1372
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 1: restricted there, so it's it's hunting becomes less less kind

1373
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: of a middle class, lower class activity as it can

1374
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: be in the United States. I mean it spans you know,

1375
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 1: kind of kind of the entire you know, American society,

1376
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: but in in Europe it's it's definitely a lot more

1377
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 1: targeted towards rich people. And fishing is the same way too.

1378
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: I mean, there isn't there isn't an overwhelming amount of

1379
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 1: um of public access to water in Europe. I fished

1380
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: quite a bit in Europe, and you it's always incredibly

1381
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: difficult to uh, you got to go to this one

1382
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: post office in this one town and pay thirty dollars

1383
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: for the stamp to be on this sectionever that day,

1384
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: and you've got or you or or I mean in

1385
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 1: where wherever it's better. It's you know, there's one person

1386
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: who gets to be on that stretch of river that

1387
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: day and it costs, you know, fifty euro and there

1388
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: will be some public lakes. Usually salt water is less regulated.

1389
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: But um, I think I think some of our early

1390
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: leaders in the conservation movement that allowed us to have

1391
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: these large swaths of land that are open to everybody

1392
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: really created something different. And the culture just diverged wildly

1393
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: from from over there. And I've talked to I've talked

1394
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: to European hunters quite a bit about this. Who people

1395
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: who are interested, people who are allowed to go shoot

1396
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 1: pheasants and rabbits, but never dreamed of getting to shoot

1397
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 1: a deer because that's for that's for the the rich

1398
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 1: guys to do. That was a powerful condemnation of Europe. Hey,

1399
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,719
Speaker 1: I love Europe. I got a lot of Europeans uns.

1400
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,560
Speaker 1: Better here we get down, get some kind of genuine European,

1401
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: genuine European out of the fifty millions Drapeans and Europeans.

1402
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: Who's got like a pan European. He's from a European

1403
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: country and he identifies continentally. Here's what I want to

1404
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: find my idea. Yet, this is the anti generalization idea.

1405
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 1: If you if you just give me a second. So

1406
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 1: here's what you do as a producer. You find a

1407
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: European from Europe who has who has a pan European

1408
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: interest set. They come on and deliver a crash course

1409
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: in Europe, meaning like this swath of countries generally this

1410
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 1: and here's kind of what here's what their stereotype is.

1411
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: Like I could go and do it for America. I'm like,

1412
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,440
Speaker 1: oh yeah, down the South, you got all these rednecks.

1413
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: All they do is fish, catfish. They don't here, he

1414
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: got these they just fish walling all time, kind of

1415
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: dumb out here. It's like you know, I could I

1416
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,560
Speaker 1: could do I could walk through the US, you know,

1417
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 1: but through through like Utah. It's just like you know,

1418
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 1: it just trophy hunt giant bulls Arizona. They hunting huge

1419
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 1: groups of people because there's no tags and when someone

1420
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: draws a tag, fifty them have to go. Um. And

1421
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: I'll just do a country walker or a state by

1422
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: state walk through. Similarly, we could do a country by

1423
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: country walk through of what actually goes on in Europe

1424
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 1: and it would be like very educational for me because

1425
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: I might not be so tempted to say what goes

1426
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,600
Speaker 1: on in this little place I went one time and

1427
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: it ended across the continent. All right, I will look

1428
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: for I actually have an expert expert able to speak

1429
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: to that, because I'll do it right now. In Europe,

1430
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:14,440
Speaker 1: by which I mean portions of England, they actually which

1431
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 1: is not part of the European Union, in England of Europe. Yeah,

1432
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: uh uh, they have a thing called landing matt ever

1433
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: hear of this. They like to fish carp Yeah, they

1434
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: got carpet names on them, and the carpet have names

1435
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: like like you know, it wouldn't be like old Bessie,

1436
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 1: that's what we'd call it. They would call it. Uh.

1437
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 1: Ferguson Walter, Yeah, Ferguson the cart, Ferguson the eighth. Uh,

1438
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: they'll have a cart and then a lot of people

1439
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: will catch them and they'll always be weighing them and

1440
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: it'll be like the biggest cart was one day someone

1441
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: called old Bessie and she was like ferguson the eighth

1442
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 1: and he was an ounce more than when some other

1443
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: dude caught him. And so they'll be like, when I

1444
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: call it Ferguson, he was thirty one pounds and three ounces,

1445
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: and that will be like the record. And they have

1446
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 1: a landing. These guys use a landing mat. You when

1447
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 1: you're fishing, you put out like a little rubber brit

1448
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: like a little rubber ramp out that goes from the

1449
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: beach down into the water. So when you catch fergus

1450
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: in the eighth, you you you basically pull him ashore.

1451
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: It's on a landing map, then do your whatever you're

1452
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,600
Speaker 1: gonna do to him, not eat them, and then you

1453
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: and then you slide him back down into the pond.

1454
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: Did you know that catching release is illegal in Germany? Oh? Really?

1455
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, yeah, it's it's interesting. I fished over there

1456
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and there, uh, we're fishing

1457
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: trout stream and it's like a highly managed trout stream

1458
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 1: and the guy we're we're we're going with you know

1459
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: kind of media connection. Was was like and you know,

1460
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: we got all our we we had to go to

1461
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 1: the post office and get our our fishing license. Then

1462
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: we had to be at the fly shop to get

1463
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 1: to you know, to reserve the beat for the day.

1464
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: And when we're all done with everything, he's like, well,

1465
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: here's here's your license and here's your fish tag. And

1466
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: it was like it was like an interlocking tag, almost

1467
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: like what you'd put on a like a deer in

1468
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 1: Alaska plastic though. Um. And we're like, oh, then that's

1469
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: that's fine. We're traveling, you know, we're not going to

1470
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: kill a fish. Like, what the hell do we do

1471
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: with it? He's like catching release is actually not legal

1472
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 1: in Germany. The Green Party passed that sometime in the

1473
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: in the nineties. They're like, well, you know, fishing's one thing.

1474
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: Fishing is okay if you're providing food for yourself, but

1475
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: it's it's animal cruelty to fish just for just for

1476
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: ships and giggles. Um. So he's like, you have to

1477
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 1: have this tag with you you catching relief. You're not

1478
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,640
Speaker 1: allowed to catch your release. But if you catch a

1479
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: fish and take the hook out and then it happens

1480
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: to get away from you. Then that's that's all right.

1481
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 1: But I mean, but I mean, it was kind of

1482
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: like a wink wink, nudge nudge kind of thing. He's like,

1483
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: we like basically said, we never kill fish, but it's

1484
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: illegal not to. Yeah, but apparently there was a major

1485
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 1: prosecution about it. Like a few years before that, there's

1486
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: some guy who's like a big pike angler and there's

1487
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 1: some great pike fishing in Germany, and he had a

1488
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: video on YouTube of him catching a big female pike

1489
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: and reviving it and releasing it, and he actually was

1490
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: prosecuted for that, for not killing that fish, which is

1491
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: just you know, it's just so it's so interesting how

1492
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: the how, how how far apart the cultures are see

1493
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: rich and varied continent. If in this episode I'm talking

1494
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 1: about current, there'd be a part where this individual would

1495
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 1: be like, and then you got Germany, Okay, let one go,

1496
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: I'll do some research. I was gonna ask you, guys,

1497
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 1: I would tell I would go to Google now typing

1498
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 1: something like um Europeans with a pan continental interest and

1499
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: the diverse hunting and fishing regulations of the continent, I

1500
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,600
Speaker 1: will use that researcher and then uh see what what

1501
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 1: pops up? This guy really Flarry moved from. I was wondering, like,

1502
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: how Whiskey Myer's music ends up with having European fans?

1503
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: Can I can I say one more thing? No, real quick,

1504
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm dying and all the answer that can you just

1505
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: hold that. I was with my kids yesterday. Uh you know,

1506
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: they're like at home all day because the kids, because

1507
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: the COVID, they haven't been going to school, so they

1508
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: get a little cooped up. And I took him out

1509
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: to check on some muskrat dens we were uh had

1510
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: heard about, and um, they find a dead brown trout,

1511
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 1: like a big brown like a brown stone, dead kind

1512
01:25:55,280 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: of rotten. They insist it's fresh. I'm across I'm in

1513
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 1: my waiters and I'm across the creek from him, and

1514
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: they're hooting hollar about this fish and they're gonna bring

1515
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 1: it home and shoulder mom and eat it. And uh,

1516
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder. I was explaining to him

1517
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: that you know, brown's coming up spawn and everything, and ah,

1518
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder if he's got if he

1519
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 1: had gotten a hook in him or something, and that's

1520
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: what causes demise. And they're like, they reported, yes, he

1521
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 1: has a hook stuck in his throat. And I said really,

1522
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 1: and they're like, yes, it's a silver hook. I go

1523
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: and look at the fish. There is no hook in

1524
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: its throat. We have a big conversation about there's just

1525
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: like not a hook in its throat, Like, I don't

1526
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: understand that night he's telling the story to cal there's

1527
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 1: a hook in its throat, just like alternate reality. Certain

1528
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 1: things to get said in the political sphere made a

1529
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 1: lot more sense to me after that. It's just like

1530
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 1: in his head there is a hook and that fish's

1531
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 1: throat and no absence of a hook is going to

1532
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: make him think otherwise. Oh you want me to make

1533
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: that makes sense? It was a European brown, great brown

1534
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 1: shot from your very good brown shot from Europe. Do

1535
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: you wonder, Kay, ask your question, like, how how does

1536
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 1: Whiskey Myers develop fans in Europe? Is there like a

1537
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 1: whole group that likes that sort of music from America? Yeah?

1538
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 1: They lack American music. Uh, most part of them are

1539
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 1: really lack like kind of the classic rock sound or

1540
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 1: the southern rock sound. It's it's kind of very big

1541
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: over there right now. And so I guess the internet,

1542
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: Well do they do they view? They million people? Do they? Okay?

1543
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: If I like a band, I might like them for

1544
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: years and then one'd be like, oh, ship, I didn't

1545
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: know they're from wherever? Hm, there is a change, Okay.

1546
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: Like I like some stuff. I like an album by

1547
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 1: m Ad three, I didn't know they were French or

1548
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: the guy was from France. Then later I'm like, oh,

1549
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that I got some France. Now you

1550
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: don't like them? No, I'm just saying, does it even

1551
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,759
Speaker 1: mad like? Do do if you have fans in Europe,

1552
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 1: are they like, uh, you know, I like music and

1553
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,640
Speaker 1: then there's some American music. I like it just like

1554
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, does it even like

1555
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 1: a thing? Yeah? I think it's it's a thing, like

1556
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 1: they recognize I like music from the southern United States. Yeah,

1557
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 1: I think so. At least a big part of our

1558
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: fan base over there, they're they're looking for that, not

1559
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 1: only America, but that part of America from southern France

1560
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: just isn't something I would ever. There's one of our

1561
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 1: distributors over there, they explained it to me one day.

1562
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 1: It was just him and I and he was like,

1563
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, he said, over here, he said,

1564
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 1: they don't have a South. He said, they're and they're

1565
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: like infatuated with the way y'all talk and and how

1566
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 1: it comes out and all that. So it's really cool.

1567
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: You know, they don't have that over there. They don't

1568
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: have a bunch of ye you know, the way we

1569
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 1: talk and stuff just chakes them up. Did you guys

1570
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: growing up? Did you grow up Hayting northerns No? No,

1571
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: can you can you goof on how we talk? Yeah?

1572
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I'd love to hear it. I'm not gonna

1573
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: goof on how you guys talk? Come on, come on, impression?

1574
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: Is that what you No? No, Okay, When I was

1575
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: growing up, if we want to talk about bad about

1576
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 1: a dude from the South, we had a way we

1577
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 1: would do it right, so ours would just be like

1578
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 1: oh or they eight like your os are different. Yeah. Yeah,

1579
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 1: we had a guy there he's like it's a big box. Yeah.

1580
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I don't know anybody sounds like that anyways.

1581
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 1: I told you know, if I tell him like how

1582
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: they sound, They're like, but I don't know anybody that

1583
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 1: sounds like that, but do for us when you were

1584
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 1: a little kid and you were shipped talking Yankees, do

1585
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 1: for us how they would like. I could be like,

1586
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 1: let's say I was I was. I would be like, Um,

1587
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: I can't do it now, man, it's hard. Let me

1588
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 1: think about. Do do goofing on Northerners? You don't act

1589
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:12,560
Speaker 1: like you don't goof Okay, here's a good example. We

1590
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:14,640
Speaker 1: had a bus driver those from Wisconsin and he had

1591
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: a real thick accent and he drank a lot of

1592
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 1: mountain dew. I don't know why, but so every that's

1593
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 1: a Northern drink. Every time we were going to bus call,

1594
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 1: he'd be like he would call me and I would

1595
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 1: answer the phone and say, hello, hey, Chris, you think

1596
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:27,560
Speaker 1: you could drop by the store and grab me a

1597
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 1: couple of mountain dues bro And I'm like that sound like?

1598
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 1: And the fact that he wanted me to get his

1599
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:37,640
Speaker 1: mountain before, I'm like, why didn't you do it? K

1600
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 1: some wally? Yes See, when we're talking about Southerners. One

1601
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 1: of our favorite, my favorite stories, one of Yanni story

1602
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 1: I kind of like stole his story. So Yanni's turkey

1603
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: hunting somewhere in the South or somehow what he's doing.

1604
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: He's turkey hunting somewhere. The guy pulls up, rolls his

1605
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 1: window down, hawks out like cascade of chew spit, and

1606
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: then says, y'all hear your turkey's gobble and that's us. Um,

1607
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 1: that's us symbolized. You're not far wrong. Yeah, mine suck good. Well.

1608
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 1: I hit a couple more like goof on northerners from

1609
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 1: minute that was kind of like, what's the impression? Right?

1610
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 1: I had a guy there to day you tell me,

1611
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 1: oh yeah, like he says, he's kind of like a

1612
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 1: northern he's kind of pretentious, southern heart, a little bit

1613
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: more homie friendly. Yeah, I mean I don't I don't know.

1614
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, we didn't really know about northern left

1615
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 1: our county and oh we haven't gotten into that go

1616
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 1: on real quick. So you grew up hunting, fishing. How

1617
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: did your parents listen to music? Yea, but how did

1618
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:52,719
Speaker 1: it never curre to you to like play some music?

1619
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 1: That was the first damn question were supposed to? So, um,

1620
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 1: my grandfather on my mom's side, he was kind of wild.

1621
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 1: You know, he wouldn't around a lot. You didn't seem

1622
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 1: a lot you know, because he was what he was

1623
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 1: just out there again. Uh, kind of like the biker

1624
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: and the you know, just a little bit edgy, you know,

1625
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 1: so you wouldn't see him a lot go away for

1626
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 1: long spells of time. Yeah, kind of like that. Uh.

1627
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: And I don't know that I understand, but he kind

1628
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,560
Speaker 1: of played the guitar a little bit, you know, or

1629
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: he had a guitar, and uh, I guess one time

1630
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 1: I had told him when I was younger, like, you know,

1631
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 1: that's cool, I would learn how to love to learn

1632
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 1: how to do that. And then years later, when I

1633
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: was about sixteen, Uh, he left the guitar at like, uh,

1634
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 1: my grandparents house, Like he just showed up and I

1635
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 1: thought he was your grandparents. Well yeah, so it would

1636
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 1: have been her mom, So he would have been my

1637
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 1: mom's dad. Which way were they were divorced, you know,

1638
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 1: but he left it. No, I'm not saying you're being complicated. Okay,

1639
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 1: you're mother's father, yes, but he was divorced from your

1640
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: grandmother and grandfather were divorced, yes, I understanding. So he

1641
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 1: just kind of came by. I don't even know if

1642
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 1: he even talked. Oh, I don't know. That's way before

1643
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 1: I was born, uh, because he's wild. But he just

1644
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 1: years later for some reason, he left that guitar on

1645
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 1: like their their porch or something. And I don't know

1646
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 1: if he told him or I can't he remembered that time. Yeah,

1647
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 1: and so picked it up and kind of started learning.

1648
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:33,680
Speaker 1: So he didn't come over and show you how to

1649
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: use it. He just left. It was just left for me. Yeah,

1650
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 1: and uh, I went and got it and I started

1651
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:42,840
Speaker 1: learning how to do little chords and things like that.

1652
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 1: And then, um, John Jeffers, a guitar player. Um, I

1653
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 1: took it over there one day. And I don't even

1654
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: know if he knew, but like his his dad teen sixteen, seventeen, um,

1655
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: and I took it over there, and his dad actually

1656
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 1: like knew how to play guitar and stuff. And I

1657
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: don't know even though if we knew that. And like

1658
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 1: evidently his dad was kind of you always played music,

1659
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 1: and his mom, you know, his mother had been in

1660
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: a band, you know, and he probably knew that, but

1661
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:14,560
Speaker 1: I didn't, um, you know, when they were younger. And

1662
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: then his dad showed us how to play guitar when

1663
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 1: we were like sixteen or seventeen, like like showed you

1664
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: how as then you started really focusing or he's like

1665
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 1: it basically works like this, Uh, a little of both probably,

1666
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 1: but yeah, just shown us like, hey, this is like this,

1667
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 1: and he was playing and just taught us some stuff

1668
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 1: and then it just kind of grew from there. Really.

1669
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: But that's that's how I got into music. Because my

1670
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: grandpa left a guitar. You still have it. It got stolen.

1671
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 1: What Yeah, guitars get stolen a lot, So I don't

1672
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:51,560
Speaker 1: have that anymore where to get stolen from. So it

1673
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 1: was in my my We had a suburban that we

1674
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 1: toured in at that time when years years ago, when

1675
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 1: we first started and seven or eight. Yeah, So I

1676
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 1: had left it in there and went inside the house

1677
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 1: and the window was messed up on the suburban. It

1678
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:11,560
Speaker 1: would always fall, remember that it wouldn't. And like I

1679
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 1: went back inside the house and our dog died, had

1680
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 1: died that day or something. So I went was like

1681
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 1: messing with the dog, ended up having to bury it

1682
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:20,679
Speaker 1: and stuff, and I went back outside and somebody stole

1683
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 1: the guitar while you're in burying the dead dog. My

1684
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 1: daughter's fish died last night, and that's how that happened.

1685
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 1: And it was gone, So the window was just like

1686
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:31,839
Speaker 1: it would always fall down. I don't know if somebody

1687
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 1: just had it was in the neighborhood at that time

1688
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 1: I lived in Tyler, slipped out of the track and it. Yeah,

1689
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:37,679
Speaker 1: it was around the time they were they were stealing

1690
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, So somebody was just walking by

1691
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 1: and maybe seen it and just I just left it in.

1692
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: There wasn't even very long when and they had stole

1693
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 1: their guitar and they never found it. Never found it.

1694
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,799
Speaker 1: We looked, we looked around in pawn chops and everything

1695
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 1: like that, and so and it was one of those

1696
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:55,559
Speaker 1: things where I was like taking stuff in and then

1697
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, ended up having to deal with that and

1698
01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, shoot, I gotta get my stuff

1699
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 1: with your grandfather. It was of what kind of guitar

1700
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 1: would it looked like, what's the man? It would? Yeah,

1701
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 1: it was just an old attack of many guitar and

1702
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 1: it had a it did have a cigarette burn on it, alright,

1703
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:18,640
Speaker 1: I guess it would be from him. So it did

1704
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 1: have a cigarette burn on it, but it didn't have

1705
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 1: any unique features other than that. It was just you know,

1706
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: it's so depressing, man. But that's a true story. Man.

1707
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:32,799
Speaker 1: So for any listeners out there, what color wasn't just regular.

1708
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 1: I don't even know what classic guitar pit guard? It

1709
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 1: had a cigarette burn under I believe under the pit guard,

1710
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 1: you know, like where your fingers would see it. If

1711
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 1: you're man, we should do like a national effort to

1712
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 1: get your And that was like contact mediator if you

1713
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 1: find a guitar alarming. The story we reported on this

1714
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 1: My brother and his body were fishing in Alaska and

1715
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 1: they out there. They had some engine problems and they

1716
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 1: got their boat flipped and swamped up against the log

1717
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 1: when the water is real high, and they hung a

1718
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 1: buoy off it, and the rain kept coming and they

1719
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:15,760
Speaker 1: were waiting for the water to get down so they

1720
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,600
Speaker 1: could go back and retrieve their boat. And they just

1721
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 1: went back to get it. It's gone. The only thing

1722
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 1: left is to tea posts sunk in the bank where

1723
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,639
Speaker 1: someone had rigged up some leverage points to jacket out

1724
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: of there, stole their freaking boat. Were sure that person

1725
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: thought of it as theft though, and they weren't like

1726
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 1: thought it was a salvage jill. But they sure ship

1727
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 1: didn't call the police and say we found a boat.

1728
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 1: If you found a boat sunk against the log with

1729
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 1: a booty tied to it, and you had to go

1730
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 1: out and get some tea posts and sink them in

1731
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 1: and come along and off there. You don't, you wouldn't

1732
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:50,760
Speaker 1: get a slight feeling like, I wonder whose boat this is?

1733
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 1: You're getting a reward in that case? Uh, my brother's road,

1734
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 1: so he used to lived down he used to live

1735
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 1: by this little Uh that's kind of a weird story.

1736
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:10,639
Speaker 1: Never mind, how's he tell you a drug car theft story?

1737
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 1: It's just a long ass story without getting into too

1738
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: many details. My brother's body gets his truck stolen, and

1739
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 1: he's suspicious of of a little meth house down the road.

1740
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 1: He's suspicious of the inhabitants of a little meth house

1741
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: down the road. But he does the police, your partner

1742
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 1: all that. Eventually gets a call from the cops. His

1743
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: truck has been a band in a couple of hours

1744
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 1: away at a gas station, and the cops says, oddly,

1745
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 1: they abandon your truck and stole the gas station attendance car.

1746
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: He says, what do they drive? They drive or whatever

1747
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,719
Speaker 1: the hell it was. He goes and looks out his window.

1748
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 1: He's like, yep, it's parked, Scooby, dude, that thing man,

1749
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 1: it's parked down the road and house of the people

1750
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 1: I suspected. Still did they upgrade or was it insulting

1751
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 1: like that? Remember the details, but it was just some

1752
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:13,720
Speaker 1: sly some sly uh you know, burglary not as sly

1753
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 1: as they thought. Uh So, what happens next? You guys

1754
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 1: are screwed because you can't tour and make money doing

1755
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 1: everything you are. You like, like, what happens now? How

1756
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 1: do you how do you be an independent rock band

1757
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 1: at the time of COVID, Well, we can be that

1758
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 1: because we are independent and we get royalties, we own

1759
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 1: our masters, you know, so well I think we would have, yeah,

1760
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 1: a lot of harder time if we weren't independent. Yeah,

1761
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna hopefully start up next year. We stopped in

1762
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: like February when everything, you know, everything started to closing down.

1763
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: They started canceling shows, and then we were gonna go

1764
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 1: back on the road, and like July. Everything was supposed

1765
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 1: to kick back up in July and all that, and

1766
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 1: they had, you know, shows still booked, you know, throughout

1767
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 1: the year, and we would get close to or three

1768
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 1: week out and they cancel and that she kept happening,

1769
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 1: kept happening, kept happening. Every time we have to cancel

1770
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 1: right at the last minute. And I was like, this

1771
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 1: is stupid, Like cancel the rest of the year. We'll

1772
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:15,400
Speaker 1: get we'll get back at it next year. We're just

1773
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 1: gonna move, you know. And so we just moved everything

1774
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:19,680
Speaker 1: from this year to the next year because it was

1775
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,640
Speaker 1: just it was obnoxious being like, oh, you gotta come

1776
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:24,640
Speaker 1: back to work, you know, telling people they had to

1777
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 1: come back to work at certain times and and things

1778
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 1: like that, and then it canceled, and then you're telling

1779
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 1: the fans we're gonna be here, they buy tickets, you cancel,

1780
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 1: and so it was just one of those things where

1781
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 1: it's like and I don't want to deal with like

1782
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:40,600
Speaker 1: capacity and all that. It's like, let's just wait a

1783
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:43,559
Speaker 1: couple of months and maybe we can go back at

1784
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 1: it full steam and have good shows where you can

1785
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:48,639
Speaker 1: rock and everything and you're not sitting out with mask

1786
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,800
Speaker 1: on spread out at your table. And it was just like,

1787
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 1: why not. We've been on the road NonStop for twelve

1788
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 1: thirteen years. I think you know, we can take a

1789
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:00,599
Speaker 1: few months off. Have you been enjoying the time off? Yeah,

1790
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 1: they're probably doing more more hunting and fishing than normal. Yeah,

1791
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 1: I have, but I've been fishing a lot and then yeah,

1792
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 1: I've just been started hunting, you know, hunting season just

1793
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:14,040
Speaker 1: opened a couple of weeks ago. Or fishing the summer

1794
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:16,479
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, I don't fish a lot in like

1795
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 1: August because it's just it's miserable too hot down there. Yeah,

1796
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 1: I think so. And then the fish start kind of

1797
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 1: suspending and doing some different things. They're just kind of funky,

1798
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:28,480
Speaker 1: you know that August in September, kind of the transition

1799
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 1: in there. It's just a little bit funky enough. I

1800
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 1: needed to like start writing again and working on the

1801
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:38,640
Speaker 1: the new album. But when both season rolled around, I've

1802
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 1: been hunting a lot. So, um, tell people because they

1803
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 1: can't come see you right now, tell people like what,

1804
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 1: like what what works for you best for people to

1805
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 1: want to go explore your music? You know, to tell

1806
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:58,680
Speaker 1: people just go on Spotify man, yeah, Apple Music or

1807
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 1: website just all social media outlets. People, your website, yeah,

1808
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:06,760
Speaker 1: Whiskey Myers dot com. Just really, what's whatever convenient for them?

1809
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 1: They want to buy a record, they got a record player,

1810
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 1: buy a record, they want to stream it? Do that.

1811
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 1: You know, did you guys get your ducks cleaned yesterday?

1812
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 1: We do? Would you like to have a place like

1813
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 1: that place? Yeah, they had it going on. Man, I've

1814
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,880
Speaker 1: never hosed down the room before. That was that's just

1815
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,400
Speaker 1: just set up for for cleaning ducks. I was had

1816
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 1: they going on. Um, yeah, that he's got a uh,

1817
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 1: he's got pretty special plays. A lot of a lot

1818
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:42,960
Speaker 1: of love and attention went into yeah, just making making

1819
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 1: making duck country. Yeah, we've seen I mean, how many

1820
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 1: deer and pheasant and everything else did we see just

1821
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,519
Speaker 1: besides the I don't even I tried to explain how

1822
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:54,720
Speaker 1: many ducks we've seen, and I was like, I have

1823
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 1: no idea saying it makes it hard to get up

1824
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 1: at three in the morning, go and put your boat

1825
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 1: in and drive up and get to fight with some

1826
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 1: other duck hunters and get two ducks. And yeah, this

1827
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:09,840
Speaker 1: wasn't like that. Yeah, well it was. It was so

1828
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 1: funny in the morning too, that we're all set up

1829
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,519
Speaker 1: in that blind. I'll get our deeks out, all our

1830
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:16,760
Speaker 1: all our stuff nicely stashed, and then we have the

1831
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 1: side by side. Roll up. You're on the wrong line,

1832
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 1: Get in with me. We're going to the other one.

1833
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 1: They already have limits and we're like, what we killed

1834
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 1: were good? Yeah? Me too. I'm like, yeah, we're talking

1835
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 1: a couple in here. We're getting some okay shots. We've

1836
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 1: got a couple of ducks in the blind and he's like, oh,

1837
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 1: they already got like twenty one birds. Yeah. I was like,

1838
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:39,519
Speaker 1: I think we're doing fat man. We're saying a lot

1839
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 1: of a lot of birds, and he's like, oh, no,

1840
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:43,680
Speaker 1: y'all need to move. But then we got over there.

1841
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 1: We got it real quick. It was they wanted to

1842
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 1: be right there. Was that your first? Was that your

1843
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 1: first duck print? That was my third duck? Yeah? I

1844
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 1: went on my first duck hunt. Actually, no, well I

1845
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:58,600
Speaker 1: went on a duck hunt with some of y'all. I

1846
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 1: knew you went, but I didn't know that you first,

1847
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:04,320
Speaker 1: my first actual duck. I went out with them. HANSI

1848
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:10,599
Speaker 1: you only done trying to wing shoot him. Well, we were,

1849
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I loved it. I was. We were in

1850
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:17,320
Speaker 1: the muck, so we um we canoed in, our canuted

1851
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 1: out and set up a bunch of decoys and we

1852
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: were hiding, you know, underneath the reeds, and so they

1853
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 1: were there were some God, I had missed a bunch.

1854
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 1: And then we were all taking a break and eating,

1855
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:37,080
Speaker 1: and then a couple were kind of flying. Hi. Maybe

1856
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have taken the shot. I just like, I

1857
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 1: didn't even tell anyone I was going to take the shot.

1858
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 1: I probably should have. Like everyone had beef jerky in

1859
01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:47,679
Speaker 1: their mouths and they were chatting, and I just saw

1860
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:50,120
Speaker 1: a bird come from left to right and I just

1861
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:55,160
Speaker 1: shot it and it went down. No, it was, um,

1862
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 1: what are you looking at? You got it written down? No,

1863
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about staring into space and trying to get

1864
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:05,719
Speaker 1: it from my mom's my mind's eye. The black feathers

1865
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:10,400
Speaker 1: with kind of the white outline. Widgeon, that's the region, right. Yeah. So, um,

1866
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 1: I was down there a couple of days before. She was.

1867
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,640
Speaker 1: They're getting a lot of yeah. So. And then my

1868
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 1: second one was was also a widgeon. It was like

1869
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:21,599
Speaker 1: coming to land. It was it was it was pretty low,

1870
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:25,439
Speaker 1: it was coming to land among the decoys, and it

1871
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 1: was almost like it was I mean, there's just a

1872
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:29,880
Speaker 1: couple of feet off the surface of the water. When

1873
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:32,040
Speaker 1: I got it was a pretty easy shot, but I

1874
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:34,880
Speaker 1: just know it was kind of like I felt like

1875
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 1: that duck was landing in and about to be like

1876
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:42,600
Speaker 1: hey Bob, hey Joe, what's up? And then they're like mannequins,

1877
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 1: not saying anything. I always wonder about them. I always

1878
01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 1: wondered about that interaction the duck lands and it spread

1879
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:54,120
Speaker 1: after me. He's like these people are Yeah, it was

1880
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 1: like because they kind of get like a very they

1881
01:45:56,360 --> 01:46:02,800
Speaker 1: land and they started getting like an uneasy feeling. So

1882
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 1: those are those are my first two. The other way

1883
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 1: like I don't know something and then the lights go out.

1884
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:15,559
Speaker 1: But yesterday was my was my third duck. I missed

1885
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:19,160
Speaker 1: a ship ton and and Chris had to Chris finished

1886
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 1: off like a handful of my birds for me, but

1887
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,000
Speaker 1: there was one that was just a clean shot. How

1888
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:25,800
Speaker 1: are you going to cook up like the ducks you

1889
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:29,479
Speaker 1: got yesterday? Do you have any like from your mother?

1890
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 1: Do you have any Chinese influenced uh duck recipes that

1891
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 1: you try or do you just cook like whatever? My

1892
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 1: mom was not. My mom did like a certain number

1893
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 1: of things. Well, um, never like peeking duck. That that's

1894
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:49,560
Speaker 1: a couple of day effort. Um. But I do have

1895
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 1: like an old school Chinese cooking a cookbook. You're gonna

1896
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 1: try something like that. I may, um, dude, you're you're

1897
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 1: I think you groove should be like Chinese man. Yeah,

1898
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 1: I mean I have a friend. I have a friend

1899
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 1: in town, dear friend in town, Linda, who is um

1900
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:13,120
Speaker 1: a chef from Shanghai, and I was going to ask

1901
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 1: her to maybe help me out with a with a thing.

1902
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:18,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe that's maybe that's what I what I

1903
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 1: have to do with at least one of my ducks.

1904
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if these have enough fat on them.

1905
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:26,519
Speaker 1: I haven't. They get a little bit later. But when

1906
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,280
Speaker 1: you say your mom did some things, well, do you

1907
01:47:28,360 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 1: mean that cooking wasn't one of them? Or she did

1908
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:37,880
Speaker 1: some dishes? Well, some some dishes she did but did

1909
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 1: not know? I don't. I don't really know how many

1910
01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:44,120
Speaker 1: people do that at home. That's kind of like you

1911
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 1: go to Chinatown and you buy them. What's that? What's

1912
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:52,840
Speaker 1: that Chinese preparation for duck that you see in Chinatown

1913
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 1: in New York where they have them they're glazed. Yeah,

1914
01:47:56,360 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 1: that's that is where they're hanging up lazed. That's the

1915
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:04,400
Speaker 1: you know. And and I used to buy those things.

1916
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:07,759
Speaker 1: They kind of caught them up with a cleaver. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1917
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:11,879
Speaker 1: It's like you have all these ducks hanging in shiny

1918
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:16,960
Speaker 1: they're crispy, and then you like stand in line and

1919
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 1: it's like the guy with a freaking huge as cleaver

1920
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:22,639
Speaker 1: just like chop chop chop, chop, chop, chop chop chop.

1921
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:24,759
Speaker 1: And then it's just like they pile all this greasy,

1922
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:29,240
Speaker 1: just delicious duck with sauce and like there's some slight

1923
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:34,040
Speaker 1: um I would say, like different spices. Some some folks

1924
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:36,320
Speaker 1: might do more of like a five spice and they're

1925
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, slight variations. Um. But I think I think

1926
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 1: we need to think about a recipe like that. Um.

1927
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:46,839
Speaker 1: That used to be uh that was like a favorite

1928
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:49,680
Speaker 1: thing to do when to go, you know, in New York,

1929
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 1: to go find those ducks. Totally. Yeah, when you guys

1930
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:55,360
Speaker 1: were playing in New York, did you did you do

1931
01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:57,920
Speaker 1: some peeking duck in Chinatown? It's not like a wild

1932
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 1: duck man right now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, what'd you do?

1933
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 1: Whoa Hop? This restaurant called whoa Hop it's in Manhattan. Yeah,

1934
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 1: it's very awesome if you're ever there, get some duck there.

1935
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 1: Something is secured to be Chris with no turing and

1936
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:18,240
Speaker 1: you'd being the term manager times getting hard. Oh yeah,

1937
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:19,760
Speaker 1: but oh yeah, but like Cody said, I mean we've

1938
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,720
Speaker 1: been enjoying it, hunting, fishing. It's been great. Yeah, it

1939
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,040
Speaker 1: just hit me. I was like, oh, that's a tour manager. Yeah,

1940
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm probably healthier than when we're on the road. Well,

1941
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 1: they toured all the way up here. We've been hanging

1942
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:34,720
Speaker 1: out on their bus every day when I picked him up.

1943
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:39,080
Speaker 1: That's good. It's cool. Glass bust here man Steve Steve

1944
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 1: as Korean about shooting a duck off the water before

1945
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 1: and you know, referring to like Northerners making fun of

1946
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 1: Southerners and southerns making fun of Northerners. I'm from South Dakota.

1947
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:51,559
Speaker 1: We would refer to that, or like shooting a dove

1948
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:54,200
Speaker 1: off a power line is Arkansas and something that's because

1949
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:58,400
Speaker 1: the old Arkansas is that? Is that what you guys?

1950
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:01,320
Speaker 1: That's not that's from the old market hunter days. That's

1951
01:50:01,320 --> 01:50:03,920
Speaker 1: not like a goofing on the side puns Like would

1952
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 1: you guys, would you guys call what would you refer

1953
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:10,919
Speaker 1: to that as I would? You said that that's Arkansas

1954
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:14,640
Speaker 1: that you guys don't know about calling it Arkansas on

1955
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:19,400
Speaker 1: a bird like that's Michigan or and stuffing loosening where

1956
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:24,479
Speaker 1: I'm from. Yeah, but dude, we'll report back on this.

1957
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 1: The etymology, but I understand from my father has something

1958
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 1: to do. It's like a reference to a type of

1959
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:36,640
Speaker 1: rig used by market hunters. It's not like you know,

1960
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:41,920
Speaker 1: those idiots down in Arkansas. I would prefer like these

1961
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 1: guys still say Arkansas. Yeah I know, but I would

1962
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:46,559
Speaker 1: prefer that they call it like, oh, that's uh, that's

1963
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 1: Scony in something like someone from Wisconsin would do that.

1964
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm a Arkansas on it. I got a lot of

1965
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 1: friends in Arkansas. They call Arkansas and and Arkansas Clay

1966
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:00,960
Speaker 1: Newcomb Newcombe. You know what I messaging right now. Maybe

1967
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 1: we'll have an answer by the end of the podcast.

1968
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:06,439
Speaker 1: I'm wrapping it up. You gotta come back on Spencer.

1969
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:08,280
Speaker 1: Report back after you talk to that dude who got

1970
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:11,400
Speaker 1: all the elk shot off this place. All right, Whiskey

1971
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:14,160
Speaker 1: Myers find him at whiskey Myers dot com. That's a

1972
01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 1: good U r L for you, guys. Yeah, it works,

1973
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:22,320
Speaker 1: not confusing. Um, Spotify didn't go find you yep, Spotify,

1974
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:26,600
Speaker 1: you got your own playlist under YEP you're talking the

1975
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 1: wrong person. You got an affirmative. You got an affirmative

1976
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:36,360
Speaker 1: from the other Chris. I think we got everything. Man.

1977
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:38,120
Speaker 1: Al Right, guys, thanks so much for coming on. It

1978
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 1: was fun hanging out. She probably quit chewing that tobacco. Yeah, um,

1979
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 1: it might be in the next laugh. Well. Yeah, because

1980
01:51:45,439 --> 01:51:47,040
Speaker 1: if your lip gets a whole routed through it, you're

1981
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:49,880
Speaker 1: in sound way different. Yeah, I might whistle more when

1982
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:54,760
Speaker 1: I say, you become one of them professional whistlers. Alright, guys,

1983
01:51:54,760 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Take care of I told my

1984
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 1: then lot fish and nothing on so beach. When I

1985
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:24,240
Speaker 1: gets tough on my sleeves, Yeah, I get it done.

1986
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:30,920
Speaker 1: The sours fool, I'm told your little loving show. Now

1987
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:35,719
Speaker 1: it all to the savings alone. So break our facts

1988
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:48,479
Speaker 1: and like uspas, I'll fol the USCI dance myself and

1989
01:52:48,680 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 1: only spaside levely Tin about the god Gass ain't enough

1990
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:25,879
Speaker 1: mass to do it down. He sticks gone in Mirr's

1991
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 1: close down in the Fading Wheel. As a jazz film.

1992
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:35,000
Speaker 1: She's got some see it's a feel sil so, no

1993
01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:39,960
Speaker 1: need loud with your being Mars when you gotta script this,

1994
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:46,080
Speaker 1: no need Dad, with's you long left dacent Street with

1995
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:55,800
Speaker 1: ribbed and bombs and food. Get out of, Get starts myself,

1996
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:44,480
Speaker 1: s time about the dog castle. Yeah yeah yeah, and

1997
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:54,520
Speaker 1: thinks that's a really con change. When you win Ois

1998
01:54:54,760 --> 01:55:04,560
Speaker 1: to play time, give him pass Star. Dress myself but

1999
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:10,680
Speaker 1: only water space places at La place, a little pout

2000
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:19,640
Speaker 1: the god he cast laid. Get start, dress myself my

2001
01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:42,880
Speaker 1: only waterbo the cod cattle just like cast lie Glass

2002
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:45,200
Speaker 1: Sli