1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Col Zon Media. 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: Today, Srian and I are talking to our friends at 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: PK Gaza our Meednabdullah. You might remember them from an 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: episode we did last October, and I've interviewed them before 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: for Men's Health magazine in the UK. PK Gaza is 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: a group that teaches parkour and free running to young 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: people in the Gaza strip. They've been doing this for 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: a long time and they have some great videos you 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: can find all over social media and YouTube. Both our 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: Med n Abdullah had the opportunity to leave Gaza. Our 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: Meed now lives in Sweden. Abdullah lives in Italy. We 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 2: spoke a couple of weeks ago, but very little has 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: changed since then. And I just wanted to note that 14 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: Abdullah's audio is a little bit rough, but we thought 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: what he had to say was really important, so we 16 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: hope that you'll take the time to listen to it. 17 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: My name is Ahmat Matar. I am at twenty eight 18 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 3: years old at the moment and Balestinian from Gaza. Currently. 19 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: I live in Sweden since eight years ago, and yeah 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 3: I live in Sweden. I work with parkour and I 21 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 3: lived from parkour and that's what I do here and 22 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 3: the last summer was my first time visiting Gaza since 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 3: eight years. And yeah, but I'm back in Sweden. I 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 3: was back in Sweden one month before the war started again. 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 3: And yeah, a lot of a lot of things to say, 26 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 3: a lot of things to express, and but yeah, that's 27 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: me Ahmed Matar, twenty years old from Gaza. 28 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 4: Hello, guys, nice to meet you all. I'm Augatop and 29 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 4: I'm twenty seven years old. I'm also Palestinian. I'm proud 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 4: of that. In the city originally, and they live in 31 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 4: Italy right now. For almost three years, we. 32 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 5: Wanted to talk to them about how it feels to 33 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 5: be outside of Gaza and wake up every day wondering 34 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 5: if a bomb has killed your family or if your 35 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 5: family is getting enough to eat. 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: How have you been coping with like dealing with It's 37 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: bad enough for those of us who don't have family, 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: watching the horrible things that happen every day, and like 39 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: every morning you look on your phone and it's something worse. 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: How has it been for you, guys? Just to give 41 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: people an insight into how you're coping. 42 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: From my side, I can say, yeah, life is a 43 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: stop since the day that the war started, six months 44 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 3: since this war and every day just watching the news. 45 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: I go to work and then I come back while 46 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: while I'm at work, I'm just watching the news. I'm 47 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 3: listening to the news, and that was my life since 48 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: six months at the moment, and I don't feel to 49 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 3: do anything else. I cannot feel like to train, I 50 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: cannot feel like to enjoy or to for what's going 51 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: on there, because it's my family there, my friends, my people. 52 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: If I feel like I want to forget about it, 53 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: it feel like I'm I'm like betraying my poble my family. 54 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 3: So I prefer to just watch the news, feel the 55 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 3: same as them, and just do my best to help 56 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 3: them with what I can. But it's actually like I 57 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: just feel helpless at the moment that I cannot do 58 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: anything to them in a situation like this. 59 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 5: At the moment, oh Dula said that when he chose 60 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 5: to leave Gaza, it was one of the most difficult 61 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 5: moments of his entire life. He knew that if he stayed, 62 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 5: there wasn't much hope for his future, and he'd have 63 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 5: to give up on so many of his dreams that 64 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 5: would be achievable if he hadn't been born in an 65 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 5: open air prison. Now that he's left, he can pursue 66 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 5: his dreams in Italy, but he struggles to express how 67 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 5: difficult he has been finding being so isolated and distant 68 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 5: from his friends and family. 69 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 4: I mean, one of the most important things in all 70 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 4: life is it's not really the most important is family. 71 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 4: Since I really left Italy, it was not really easy 72 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 4: for me because I knew that I would be alone 73 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 4: and I would be away from my family. But I 74 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 4: took that decision because I knew that somehow I have to, 75 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 4: let's say, somehow to sacrifice, and because you know, I 76 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 4: was focusing somehow on my future, my goals, which was 77 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 4: not really almost impossible. It's impossible to do it where 78 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 4: I was, which is going to say, it was the 79 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 4: hardest decision I've made ever in my life that even 80 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 4: before anything really started, I'm going to explain how I 81 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 4: feel since months back. I'm sure that everybody knows right 82 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 4: now if he's going to put himself in my place, 83 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 4: that he wouldn't have the right words to express his feelings. 84 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 4: And I'm sure, and I'm someone right now who doesn't 85 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 4: really have the right to a supplicitent to tell you 86 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 4: what I feel and how I feel because it's not 87 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 4: something that's easy for anyone to experience in his life. 88 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 4: So that's how I feel. 89 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: We wanted to ask him how they were able to 90 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: keep in touch with their families. I remember I was 91 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: talking to up mad in October and like we were 92 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: talking about how hard it was just to find out 93 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 2: if your families were okay every day, right, like just 94 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 2: to contact them and check. Is that still the case, 95 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: Like how has it been just trying to contact your 96 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: families over the last six months? 97 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 3: It is actually still the same that they have to 98 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 3: try calling and calling and calling the whole day until 99 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 3: they catch up, like the connection is cut off or 100 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 3: it's almost like impossible to get connected with them. So 101 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 3: I have to try the whole day until like I 102 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: get someone answering, because it's like I guess it's because 103 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,559 Speaker 3: it's a small place where they are, like in Rapa 104 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: and there's more than one and a half million people 105 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 3: and everyone is trying to call to Gaza and to 106 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 3: check with everybody in there, so it's make it hard 107 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: to get connected easily with them. So I try like 108 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 3: every day for sure. I in the end, it's better 109 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 3: than before. At the moment when they were in canyunits. 110 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: It was like that. I had to ask my friends 111 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 3: who leave it close to my area, and then they 112 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 3: tell me if my family are okay or not. And 113 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: sometimes I I'm having no information about them for a 114 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,799 Speaker 3: whole week and just worry to if everything is okay 115 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: with them. At the moment, I just wish for the best. 116 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 3: That's what I am at home, wishing everything is okay 117 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 3: with them, but without knowing if it's them or another 118 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 3: family who got boned, because the TV is not showing 119 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 3: a name or a family anymore, because it's you know, 120 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: you're talking about more than thirty five thousand people gotting killed, 121 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: and to mention the names of every person getting killed, 122 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: it's something impossible in the media. 123 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 4: I guess I just want to mention, how does it 124 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 4: feel for anyone who's really listening right now? How does 125 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 4: it feel if you know that you know someone who's 126 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 4: really the most important in your life, and you know 127 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 4: that he in danger somehow, and you're trying to call 128 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,239 Speaker 4: one day to day, through three days or even four weeks. 129 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 4: Sometimes sometimes they'ven it happened two weeks and a few weeks, 130 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 4: and you know that people they are dying every day 131 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 4: and it might be someone from your family that you know, 132 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: might something you know, and you cannot reach them because 133 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 4: of the signal, because of the collection of whatever it is. 134 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 4: How would you feel. 135 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: Abed said he hadn't actually seen his family for nearly 136 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: a month because they hadn't had good enough signal for 137 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: a call. Abdullah, on the other hand, hasn't even seen 138 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: a picture of his family's its bombs begin to fall 139 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: on the place where he grew up six months ago. 140 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: Like I have not seen my family like face to 141 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: face on a camera or for more than three weeks 142 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: at the moment the moment I saw them. They have 143 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: to go somewhere really high building too, so they can 144 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: have internet, that's if they get this internet. And in 145 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: the same time, it's very dangerous for them to go 146 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: on a high buildings. So yeah, you know, sometimes when 147 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 3: my father sent me a picture of him on messenger 148 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 3: more than a month ago, and then I was like 149 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 3: just choked out to see his white hair, like oh, 150 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: gray hair everywhere, and he just changed in these six 151 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: months totally, like I would not recognize the same person 152 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 3: like he was before the war, because I was there 153 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 3: seven months ago in Gaza and he was totally young, 154 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 3: like you know he's he's just fifty years but it's 155 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 3: not that he had gray hair everywhere like how I 156 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 3: saw in his picture. And then I see how suffering 157 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 3: they are facing, how tough life they are having at 158 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 3: the moment, just through his face, his yeah, his picture 159 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: that he sent to me, which is really just for 160 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: sure hair. To see that how they are growing too 161 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 3: fast because of this genocide. 162 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 4: The honest come, I just want to that. I'm happy 163 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 4: you ask me to be the chance to to see 164 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 4: your father. I still for the last six months I 165 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 4: didn't see a picture or talkably to pull my father. 166 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 3: Just understand I they really risk their life to to 167 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 3: go and talk to me. And then I always I 168 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: also tell them to not do that when I when 169 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: I see them going to that building or where they 170 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: go to get the internet, I was just telling them 171 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 3: go home, be at a safe area. But still like 172 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: they tell me there's no safe area. There is no 173 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 3: safe area, and there is. It's the same anywhere. But 174 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: then still like yeah, it's it gave more fear that 175 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: when you are on a high building, any any high 176 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 3: building getting targeted in Gaza. 177 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 5: I have been having an extremely hard time looking at 178 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 5: what's happening through my phone, witnessing the suffering of people 179 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 5: who might as well be my family. They all look 180 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 5: and sound like my cousins, my aunts, my uncles, my parents, 181 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 5: my siblings. I can't even imagine experiencing this if it 182 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 5: was my actual family. I genuinely do not know how 183 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 5: I could cope with not being able to reach them 184 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 5: for months, or not even knowing if they're okay. I 185 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 5: wanted to know if ahmadna Bellah have found ways to 186 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 5: cope or at least ways to get through each day. 187 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 5: Do you guys have a community that you can reach 188 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 5: out to. Do you guys talk to each other a lot? 189 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 5: How do you guys stay sane? 190 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 4: Like? 191 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 5: How do you not lose your mind? Just as everyone 192 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 5: else goes about their life. 193 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: We talk to each other, mean almost every day in 194 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 3: the evening, we spend like more than four hours at 195 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 3: least in a call. And besides that, yeah, while we 196 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: are sitting and calling each other, we are watching the news, 197 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: and yeah, we have to be informed about everything is happening. 198 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,599 Speaker 3: That's how it makes us feel better, at least to 199 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 3: know what's going on and to follow the newsthing else 200 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 3: can help it I think I would not feel happy 201 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: to go and enjoy while my family is not enjoying. 202 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: And yeah, I don't feel good about it. It's not 203 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 3: that I I should enjoy, it's I feel like I'm 204 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: not going to enjoy until my family is safe. Until 205 00:12:54,480 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: my family is enjoying, and it's gonna take years, a guess. 206 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 3: You know, the aroma tromas that affected them from this 207 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 3: genocide is gonna take a while to hear to recover. 208 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 3: They will take long time to recover from this. And 209 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 3: I don't know if I am affected by it or not. 210 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 3: But you know, my life, as I told you, has 211 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: been just watching news for six months and nothing else. 212 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 3: I don't know how is that affecting me in the 213 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: long run, like after the war ends. But for me, 214 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 3: Parker has always been a way to recover, and I'm 215 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 3: sure Parker will help me later. 216 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 4: I'm always trying to say to talk to myself because 217 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 4: I guess it's really important. Everybody has to talk to 218 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 4: himself because it's the most important thing. Yeah, while your 219 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 4: proud people believe, try not to lose your mind, tryers 220 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 4: to normal because of the end. Anyway, you don't have 221 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 4: anything that you can do in your hand. You know 222 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 4: that you cannot change something like I al really helpen 223 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 4: of mind. I really told have I'm really proud of 224 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 4: myself that at least I'm trying to stay normal and 225 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 4: I'm trying to keep myself and act as a normal person. 226 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 4: But the mainly Pusson is I don't know where I 227 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 4: would be able to. I'm afraid that once it's going 228 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 4: to happen, that I'm going to lose everything and I'm 229 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 4: going to destroy everything. And of course you know, sometimes 230 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: I'm trying to get out. I'm not trying to be alone, 231 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 4: just trying to keep my mind and my life a 232 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 4: little bit more busy as much seek. 233 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: I've known Abdollah and Ahmed and several other members of 234 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: PK Gaza since twenty twenty. I worked on a story 235 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: about them in twenty twenty one, which was about the 236 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: last time I could sell stories on GADS because the 237 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: most part you only get to write about people in 238 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: Gaza when they're dying. I asked him about the well 239 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: being of some of the other members of the team. 240 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 3: Side, Yeah, he's in our thoughts all the time and 241 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: we will never forget. And for sure for Side was 242 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 3: like the last person I saw in Gaza when I 243 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: left Gaza, and he was with me helping me with everything, 244 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 3: like so I can live from Gaza to Egypt. So 245 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 3: he was helping me with all the process I need 246 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 3: in the crossing area because it's very busy and you 247 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 3: need to know people in the crossing area so they 248 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 3: can fix you and help you and to carry my 249 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: stuff with me. And I know Said since I was born. 250 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: I can say Said's father and my father are very 251 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 3: close friends. And since I I grew up, like since 252 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: I started to be aware on this life. I met 253 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 3: Said and we were friends, neighbors. We were always playing 254 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: together and then we decided to go for a kung 255 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 3: fu club and we started to train kung fu and 256 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: martial arts together. And at the age of nine years 257 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: me and Said also met Abdullah and met the other 258 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: guys who does also martial arts, so we started to 259 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: do martial arts together. And then we met the Barkur 260 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 3: guys Mohammed Jahpiir and Abdullah Chassi, which made us turn 261 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 3: into Barkour after and everything I was doing like in 262 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: my sports life and outside of my sports life, I 263 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 3: was always meeting side as a friend, as a brother, 264 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 3: and we were at each other's houses and eating together. 265 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: And yeah, Side was really meaning a lot to me 266 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 3: because I have always known him as the good guy 267 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 3: who help everyone who need help, and lately said was 268 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: like the manager of the Barker Academy that we created there, 269 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: and he was taking care and teaching kids for free 270 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 3: and volunteering and putting from his time so more kids 271 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 3: can go there and learn parkour. And my brother was 272 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 3: one of them, and he was helping him. And during 273 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 3: this war, Side was the only one that informs me 274 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: about my family about how they are because he was 275 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: the only one. He was connected to the internet at 276 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 3: that time, so I was going through him about my 277 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 3: family and we were talking every day during this war. 278 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 3: Suddenly I just saw new it's about that he got 279 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: killed together with his brothers while trying to rescue some 280 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: people from under the rabbit and then another rocket upon 281 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 3: them and killed them all. I could not understand it 282 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 3: and still cannot believe that Side is gone. It's something 283 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: that I would not believe that I go to gather 284 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 3: and say it is not there. I cannot imagine how 285 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 3: it feels to his father, to his mother, and that 286 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 3: they lost the three of their sons at once. Yeah, 287 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 3: but Side will always be in our memory, in our 288 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 3: heart that we will never forget. 289 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 4: But Astinias, they are really different than anybody else. When 290 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 4: the bombs really happening, everybody just trying to scape. Everybody's 291 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 4: just trying to run away. What Side and his brothers did. 292 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 4: They just went after that building was pumped. They just 293 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 4: went to help others, to take others from Landodoropo, you know, 294 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 4: to help them to see if they are injuries that 295 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 4: they are. You know, they can't help others and that 296 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 4: was their fault that they were trying just to help 297 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 4: others and then they could bomb three of them. That's 298 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 4: that's what happened to them, and that's what most of 299 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 4: the blasting on durance. But they were really prayed, and yeah, 300 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 4: it's it's such a ross that nobody can telling mine. 301 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: It's hard enough losing a friend, so suddenly it's even 302 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: harder when you have been able to see them for 303 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 2: months and never got to say goodbye. We asked about 304 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: the last time they spoke to their friend, and we 305 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: asked him to share some of their memories of him. 306 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 3: So he was, as said, was telling me, listen to 307 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: this sound. And then while listening, I was just hearing shooting. 308 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,719 Speaker 3: And then he was telling me, this is a quad Captor. 309 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 3: The quad chapter is like a drone that is developed 310 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 3: to shoot at the same time, so it can film 311 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 3: and see everything moving and shooting it at the same time, 312 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 3: so it can kill people which is moving. And he 313 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: tells me that everything is moving in this area, everything 314 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 3: is moving around us is getting shot. And he was 315 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 3: at his home and together with his family, and I 316 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: was telling him, just saying, leave the area, go somewhere 317 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 3: that is better, safer or something that you don't have 318 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 3: to hear this sound that you maybe can get killed 319 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: inside your home because you know, this quad Captures is 320 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 3: a drone that can go inside windows, anything that it 321 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 3: can go from the roof and enter your home. Yeah, 322 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 3: that's what he told me. What he told me was like, yeah, 323 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 3: but if I home, I will get killed. And if 324 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: I if I leave another place, I will also get killed. 325 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 3: Because it's not safe anywhere. It's the same. So if 326 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 3: I die at our home or outside our home, it's 327 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 3: the same. And in the end, I go to the heaven. 328 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 3: It's directly it's better for me. And that's what he 329 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 3: was saying. And that's what he received. He wanted the heaven, 330 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: I guess. And but we we wanted him back in 331 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: our life. We did not want him to go. But yeah, 332 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 3: that's life. Take the good people from us always. 333 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 2: That's the end of part one, but we'll be back 334 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: tomorrow with the second part of our interview without med 335 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: An Abdollah Gaza Pakour. 336 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: It could Happen Here as a production of cool Zone Media. 337 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: For more podcasting cool Zone Media, visit our website cools 338 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: one Media, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 339 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,479 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can 340 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: find sources for It Could Happen Here, updated monthly at 341 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: Coolzonemedia dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.