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Speaker 2: Happy Thursday, everybody. I hope all of you guys have
Speaker 2: had a great week so far and that you enjoyed
Speaker 2: your holiday. Today's Golden State Warrior's Day. We're just gonna
Speaker 2: take a zoom in on their off season. We're gonna
Speaker 2: do a recap of all the changes to the roster.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do scouting reports on Tray Jackson Davis, and
Speaker 2: Corey Joseph, and then at the end, I'm gonna kind
Speaker 2: of just tie boe everything by talking about whether or
Speaker 2: not I think the Warriors got materially better in the process.
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Speaker 2: Under Hoops tonight. All right, so quick recap of the
Speaker 2: off season. They drafted Brandon Podziamski. I did a scouting
Speaker 2: report on him on the day after the draft that
Speaker 2: you guys can find further back on the feet. I
Speaker 2: also broke down his first Summer League game the other day.
Speaker 2: You can find that on the feeds as well. To
Speaker 2: make a long story short, I think he's going to
Speaker 2: be a great fit in their offense. He's awesome at
Speaker 2: advantage creation basketball, attacking closeouts, generating dribble penetration, not with
Speaker 2: overwhelming speed or quickness, but just with basketball like you,
Speaker 2: and weaponizing his shot fake and his ability to score
Speaker 2: in the mid range. And I also have been really
Speaker 2: impressed with his passing ability so far as I've been
Speaker 2: scouting him. I think he's a big upgrade over Dante
Speaker 2: DiVincenzo offensively, although I do think he's a downgrade over
Speaker 2: Dante DiVincenzo on the defensive end of the floor. They
Speaker 2: also drafted tray Jackson Davis at the end of the
Speaker 2: second round. Really interesting player. I enjoyed scouting him this morning.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do a full breakdown of that here
Speaker 2: in just a minute. They also traded Jordan Poole for
Speaker 2: Chris Paul, as you guys know, and they signed Corey
Speaker 2: Joseph for a veteran minimum contract in addition to re
Speaker 2: signing Draymond Green for four years, one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2: That was something that absolutely had to happen. As I've
Speaker 2: said so many times on this show, Denver's the exception
Speaker 2: because they managed to win without a top tier defensive
Speaker 2: front line doesn't mean that you can't. They are the
Speaker 2: exception that proves that rule. As you go back through
Speaker 2: NBA history, you don't win unless you have a dominant
Speaker 2: defensive front line. Draymond Green himself has four to five
Speaker 2: that line four times in his career. He is the
Speaker 2: one player. Him and Steph Are are the players that
Speaker 2: you cannot give up without losing your championship ceiling. So
Speaker 2: I thought that was the right move to resign Draymond Green.
Speaker 2: We will do a quick scouting report on Corey Joseph
Speaker 2: here in a minute as well. All they lost is
Speaker 2: Dante DiVincenzo for the four year, fifty million dollar contract
Speaker 2: that he signed with the New York Knicks just got
Speaker 2: priced out. There's literally no way the Warriors could have
Speaker 2: retained him at that number. All right, let's do a
Speaker 2: quick scout of Trace Jackson. Davis got a hell of
Speaker 2: a pedigree. He was Mister Basketball in Indiana in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: He was a McDonald's All American. He was a two
Speaker 2: time Big Ten All Defense All Defense election, and he
Speaker 2: was a consensus first team All American last year. His
Speaker 2: measurements is a lefty six foot at eight and a
Speaker 2: quarter without shoes. That means he'll be like a legit
Speaker 2: six ' nine in shoes, is a seven to one
Speaker 2: wing span, which makes up for some of his lack
Speaker 2: of height, and he weighs two hundred and forty pounds,
Speaker 2: so he's not overly thin by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 2: He's also a grown adult. He will turn twenty four
Speaker 2: this season, so he's two years older than Moses Moody.
Speaker 2: He's three years older than Jonathan Kaminga, and he's been
Speaker 2: playing grown up basketball in a winning context for four
Speaker 2: seasons at a quality program. So you're not getting a kid,
Speaker 2: You're getting a young man. And I do think that
Speaker 2: that gives him a much better chance of being a
Speaker 2: useful rotation player for the Warriors next year. Last season,
Speaker 2: he averaged twenty one and eleven on fifty eight percent
Speaker 2: shooting two point nine blocks per game. Here's some data
Speaker 2: from play types on Synergy. He did most of his
Speaker 2: work out of the post. He ran three hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy five post ups and scored three hundred and ninety
Speaker 2: two points including passes. That is one point zero five
Speaker 2: points per possession. There were seventy players in NCAA Division
Speaker 2: One basketball who logged at least two hundred post ups
Speaker 2: last year, and Trace ranked six team in points per possession.
Speaker 2: So is a very successful, very efficient, high volume post
Speaker 2: up player. At that level. You primarily like to work
Speaker 2: from the right block and to try to get to
Speaker 2: his left hand hook over his right shoulder in the lane.
Speaker 2: He shot forty one percent on hook's overall, a higher
Speaker 2: percentage about forty five percent when he was going from
Speaker 2: that right block into the middle of the floor. He
Speaker 2: also handled double teams really well. He's patient and he
Speaker 2: makes the kill pass instead of just trying to get
Speaker 2: rid of the basketball. Now, the Warriors are obviously not
Speaker 2: going to spam Tray Jackson Davis post ups, but it
Speaker 2: gives them a weapon to potentially attack switches. I also
Speaker 2: thought he demonstrated a lot of good stuff in ISO.
Speaker 2: He ran thirty nine ISOs and face ups that led
Speaker 2: to forty seven points. It does a really nice job
Speaker 2: when there's a smaller defender on him of protecting the
Speaker 2: basketball and turning his back because again, when you're a
Speaker 2: bigger player, when you dribble the basketball, the ball's traveling
Speaker 2: longer to the ground back up to your hand every time,
Speaker 2: and so smaller players will swipe down at the basketball.
Speaker 2: You never want to expose the basketball when you have
Speaker 2: a size advantage. You want to protect the basketball. So
Speaker 2: you turn your back and you pivot, and you pivot,
Speaker 2: you get to where you want to go, and you
Speaker 2: take a shot over the top. Then when you have
Speaker 2: a slower, bigger defender in front of you, that's when
Speaker 2: you can expose the basketball and use your quickness because
Speaker 2: they're not going to be able to attack that dribble
Speaker 2: pocket as well. Trace Doyes a really nice job of
Speaker 2: identifying what his advantage is and adjusting his attack accordingly.
Speaker 2: I actually clipped three examples of Trace working out of
Speaker 2: isolations and put it on my Twitter feed to go
Speaker 2: to underscore json lt and you guys will see some
Speaker 2: examples of I picked a fake spin move that he
Speaker 2: did that I think will be a really interesting example
Speaker 2: of what he can do in fake dribble handoff situations
Speaker 2: to try to get downhill when he's got Steph Curry
Speaker 2: or Clay Thompson coming off of a dribble handoff. And
Speaker 2: then I showed an example of him bullying a smaller
Speaker 2: player to the basket and him beating faster a slower,
Speaker 2: bigger player to the basket with his quickness with a drill,
Speaker 2: a hardcore in and out crossover going back to his
Speaker 2: right hand. So again, you guys can find those clips
Speaker 2: on my Twitter feed. Also in the isoclips that I watched,
Speaker 2: he's just a really good passer. His ability to identify
Speaker 2: where the defense is warping to him and hit shooters
Speaker 2: and cutters really impressed me. On film. I really think
Speaker 2: that he has a chance to be a usable role
Speaker 2: player for this Warriors team. He was also a solid roleman.
Speaker 2: He averaged one point one to one points per possession.
Speaker 2: Seems kind of low, but if you watch the tape
Speaker 2: like I did this morning, you'll notice that he just
Speaker 2: gets absolutely swarmed on all those roleman possessions because he's
Speaker 2: their best player. So it's not like he's rolling into
Speaker 2: open space the way that he will with the Warriors.
Speaker 2: He was rolling into a crowd, and when he's with
Speaker 2: the Warriors, he's going to be rolling into open space.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited to see him operate there. As in
Speaker 2: terms of his shooting touch, he's a non shooter. He
Speaker 2: was three for fourteen on jump shots last year, so
Speaker 2: super low volume, super low percentage, so that's not going
Speaker 2: to be a factor, at least not yet. Also shot
Speaker 2: just about just under seventy percent on free throws, so
Speaker 2: that demonstrates that he doesn't have the greatest touch in
Speaker 2: the world in terms of future projections as a jump shooter,
Speaker 2: but you don't need to be a good jump shooter
Speaker 2: to be a role player. Big in the NBA is
Speaker 2: no floater. He shot seven for twenty four on floaters
Speaker 2: on the season. Does have a decent hook shot though
Speaker 2: forty one percent, so touch is not his strength of
Speaker 2: his But I actually do think he dribbles the ball
Speaker 2: pretty well, so I think with the quality of shots
Speaker 2: he's going to be getting around the paint and with
Speaker 2: his ability to dribble and pass, I think he's actually
Speaker 2: going to be a really successful role man for the Warriors. Now,
Speaker 2: his rim finishing was lower than you would expect. He
Speaker 2: only shot about sixty five percent there, but it's complicated
Speaker 2: because he took a lot of really tough shots at
Speaker 2: the rim at a post up situations. He was much
Speaker 2: higher percentage when he was operating as a cutter out
Speaker 2: of the dunkers body. He's seventy one percent in those situations.
Speaker 2: That to me is a more realistic representation of where
Speaker 2: his rim finishing will come with the Warriors. He's not
Speaker 2: going to be posting up and shooting in traffic. It's
Speaker 2: going to be him attacking out of the short roll
Speaker 2: or coming out of the corner as Draymond's rolling down
Speaker 2: the middle of the floor, catching and dunking at the basket.
Speaker 2: He also had seventy three dunks last year, which was
Speaker 2: over to a game. He's really really springy as the
Speaker 2: ability to go up out of any footwork and quickly.
Speaker 2: He's got a good second jump, so I think his
Speaker 2: athleticism actually makes up for some of his size limitations.
Speaker 2: Now on the defensive end, he was two time All
Speaker 2: defense for in the Big Ten his last two years
Speaker 2: average two point nine blocks per game. But the reality
Speaker 2: is is at six 's eight in the quarter without
Speaker 2: shoos on, he's probably too small to be like a
Speaker 2: dominant drop coverage big in the NBA. But I do
Speaker 2: think he's gonna be a successful switching big. There were
Speaker 2: eighteen possessions last year where guys tried to iso Jackson
Speaker 2: Davis in switches and he only gave up eight points
Speaker 2: in those situations. Uh. One of three of those points
Speaker 2: was a bomb three against Miami in the NCAA tournament
Speaker 2: that he contested really well and it just went in.
Speaker 2: So he defended really well and switches. Honestly, he gets
Speaker 2: beat off the dribble a lot in those situations, but
Speaker 2: he does that lebron thing where he kind of like
Speaker 2: gets beat but then just recovers and swats you. He
Speaker 2: has a really good idea of identifying where you're gonna
Speaker 2: shoot from and then he just sprints to that spot
Speaker 2: and recovers, even if it's on the other end of
Speaker 2: the rim. You'll see plays where he gets beat and
Speaker 2: then the I goes to the reverse and he just
Speaker 2: comes up on the other side of the room and
Speaker 2: smacks it off the glass. He had a bunch of
Speaker 2: blocks in those situations as well. I think he has
Speaker 2: the potential to be a plus defender in the NBA,
Speaker 2: even with his physical tools. So what does that translate to.
Speaker 2: I think he has real potential to be a rotation
Speaker 2: big man for them. You know, if you really think
Speaker 2: about what like a guy like Mason Plumley can do
Speaker 2: as a bench big making five million dollars a year
Speaker 2: in the NBA for a team like the Clippers. How
Speaker 2: big of a gap is there really compared to what
Speaker 2: someone like Tray Jackson Davis can do in a different
Speaker 2: context and more of a switching context and more of
Speaker 2: a jumping context instead of like a big, size and
Speaker 2: strength type of context. So I do, I do think
Speaker 2: that he has potential. It's not a guarantee. We'll see
Speaker 2: how it plays out on the floor, but I do
Speaker 2: think that that was the ideology that the Warriors were
Speaker 2: going with late second round picks. You're not using any assets,
Speaker 2: You're not gonna have to pay him a ton of money,
Speaker 2: but hey, throw him out there. He's twenty four years old,
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of basketball experience playing in a
Speaker 2: winning context. Let's see if he can help us as
Speaker 2: a bench big. I thought that was a really smart
Speaker 2: move from the Warriors' front office. Corey Joseph he was
Speaker 2: backup point guard for the Pistons last year. Played sixty
Speaker 2: two games, average seven points and four assists, play tight
Speaker 2: data slightly below average, and pick and roll he's zero
Speaker 2: point nine to four points per possession. But you do
Speaker 2: got a factor in there that he's playing with the pistons.
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of young, unpolished players that he's
Speaker 2: passing to, which is gonna hurt those numbers a little bit.
Speaker 2: And then obviously the spacing is not great. He did
Speaker 2: average one point one to six points per possession in
Speaker 2: spot up situations, which is excellent. He zoom in on
Speaker 2: the shot types. He shot forty one percent on catch
Speaker 2: and shoot jump shots, sixty one percent when you wait
Speaker 2: that for threes, forty five percent on unguarded catch and
Speaker 2: shoot jump shots, which is sixty eight percent weighted for threes,
Speaker 2: and then thirty five percent on pull up jump shots
Speaker 2: forty four percent waited for three. So when it comes
Speaker 2: to jump shooting and catch and shoot situations, he's deadly,
Speaker 2: and then he's capable in pull up jump shooting situations.
Speaker 2: It's forty one percent on floaters that'll be useful. And
Speaker 2: then he shot sixty percent at the rim, which is
Speaker 2: awesome for a small guard. All I look at that
Speaker 2: as is it adds depth. You basically flipped Jordan Pool
Speaker 2: and Dante DiVincenzo two two guards. A lead guard who's
Speaker 2: pretty inconsistent in Jordan Poole for Chris Paul Brandon Potziemski
Speaker 2: and Corey Joseph a much more dependable at least not
Speaker 2: necessarily in terms of injury availability, but at least in
Speaker 2: terms of performance. With Chris Paul and then Brandon Pozemski
Speaker 2: and Corey Joseph, you got kind of like a veteran
Speaker 2: option you can go to, and then you've got this
Speaker 2: young player with a lot of upside that you can,
Speaker 2: you know, play when he's playing well and shit when
Speaker 2: he's not playing well, and go with someone like Corey
Speaker 2: Joseph and said, it just gives you more depth for
Speaker 2: when Steph Curry misses games. So I like the guard
Speaker 2: corp at this point, taking a look at the depth chart,
Speaker 2: the guard Corp is Steph Curry, Chris Paul, Gary Payton,
Speaker 2: the second, Corey Joseph and Brandon Potzemski. They're forwards Klay Thompson,
Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins, Jonathan Kaminga and Moses Moody. And they're bigs
Speaker 2: Draymond Green, Cavon Looney and Trace Jackson Davis and maybe
Speaker 2: they'll sign someone like Dario. Sorry. As you start to
Speaker 2: look at the archetypes, kind of makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: You've got an excellent top toier point of attack defender
Speaker 2: and Gary Payton. The second you have an excellent wing
Speaker 2: defender and Andrew Wiggins. Both of those guys are top
Speaker 2: tier at their positions. Jonathan Kminga showed a lot in
Speaker 2: terms of kind of being like Andrew Wiggins light as
Speaker 2: an option to throw in perimeter defense situations. Klay Thompson
Speaker 2: did not have a good playoff run last year, but
Speaker 2: the year before and he had a lot of moments
Speaker 2: as a wing defensive player. Obviously, Moses Moody had some
Speaker 2: moments in the Lakers series as a wing defensive player
Speaker 2: and as a guy who was making some corner threes.
Speaker 2: So they fill all of the necessary perimeter defense responsibilities.
Speaker 2: And then obviously in the front court, you can't do
Speaker 2: much better than Draymond Green and kim On Looni. They're
Speaker 2: a championship defense to front court and have done so
Speaker 2: four times. So really, to me, it comes down to depth.
Speaker 2: So that brings us to our question did the Warriors
Speaker 2: do enough? I think they considerably improved within the postseason context. Why,
Speaker 2: Because Chris Paul is a massive upgrade over Jordan Poole.
Speaker 2: He just is. Jordan Poole was super inconsistent the playoff
Speaker 2: run he had in twenty twenty two. Obviously it's cemented
Speaker 2: in Stone he's a champion, but it's it's very uncommon
Speaker 2: for a young player to play that well on that stage.
Speaker 2: What happened last year is a better representtion of what
Speaker 2: most most young guards do in a playoff setting. Chris Paul, again,
Speaker 2: as long as he can stay healthy, is going to
Speaker 2: be a more dependable option there, and he's going to
Speaker 2: give the Warriors a better chance of maintaining leads with
Speaker 2: Steph off the floor. Remember they were like plus forty
Speaker 2: seven with Steph on the floor and last year's playoffs
Speaker 2: and like minus forty nine with him off the floor,
Speaker 2: so they had a negative point differential because they struggled
Speaker 2: so much when Steph was off the floor. Chris Paul
Speaker 2: gives you a better chance to fight in those situations. Also,
Speaker 2: as you can imagine, in a setting where you have
Speaker 2: to fall back on pick and roll because Anthony Davis
Speaker 2: is lingering in the paint and they're taking away all
Speaker 2: of your motion offense stuff, having Chris Paul is another
Speaker 2: option to run pick and rolls isn't advantage you can
Speaker 2: imagine even with Steph off the floor, a lineup with
Speaker 2: like Chris Paul, Klay Thompson and Kevon Looney just setting
Speaker 2: really hard screens to get Chris Paul open, drawing those
Speaker 2: multiple defenders or giving him wide open pull up fifteen
Speaker 2: footers that are generating those close out opportunities for Klay Thompson.
Speaker 2: So Klay Thompson does and have to constantly attack a
Speaker 2: set defense at his age when Steph is off the floor.
Speaker 2: So I do think it improves their ceiling in the
Speaker 2: postseason context, but I am still worried about their ability
Speaker 2: to make it through an eighty two game season without
Speaker 2: running into similar problems that they ran into last year.
Speaker 2: If you remember, after the season, I said they really
Speaker 2: needed to find a veteran forward that they could slot
Speaker 2: between Andrew Wiggins and Draymond Green. Why because their size
Speaker 2: ended up being an issue for them on the road
Speaker 2: in particular last year, they could make up for it
Speaker 2: fighting with the energy of their home crowd and they
Speaker 2: were an elite defense and rebounding team at home, but
Speaker 2: that fell to pieces when they went on the road,
Speaker 2: and so having a veteran presence at the Ford spot
Speaker 2: I thought would have been a better use of the
Speaker 2: Jordan Poole contract in order to give them a better
Speaker 2: chance of thriving in the physicality of those environments on
Speaker 2: the road. That said, that doesn't mean they don't have
Speaker 2: the same playoffs ceiling. It's more of a regular season problem.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I do think when push comes to shove,
Speaker 2: their lineup is going to be some combination of Draymonngray
Speaker 2: and Andrew Wiggins, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if Chris Paul is going to make them too
Speaker 2: small or not, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: they're gonna have the ability and flexibility to potentially trade
Speaker 2: for that type of player when they get closer to
Speaker 2: the deadline. Did they add a backup center, No, unless
Speaker 2: it's Tracey Jackson Davis, which means, once again, like last year,
Speaker 2: they're in a predicament where the developmental the developmental trajectory
Speaker 2: of their young players is going to play a huge
Speaker 2: role in what this team is capable of accomplishing. Because again,
Speaker 2: if you didn't get that forward to slot between between
Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins and Draymond Green, that means it's got to
Speaker 2: be Tray Jackson Davis. Moses Moody, Jonathan Kamingo one of
Speaker 2: those guys. Are they going to be ready yet? I
Speaker 2: don't know, And that's going to be the story of
Speaker 2: this particular season because remember that combination of older guys
Speaker 2: that are trying to find opportunities to conserve energy during
Speaker 2: the eighty two game season and younger players that are
Speaker 2: too inexperienced to consistently play well on the road put
Speaker 2: them in the predicament where they couldn't win games on
Speaker 2: the road last year. So what I liked about a
Speaker 2: veteran forward is it adds depth so that these guys
Speaker 2: can conserve energy but still have enough and have more
Speaker 2: consistency compared to the up and down nature of young
Speaker 2: basketball players in the NBA. So again, like they have
Speaker 2: been getting a lot of reps. Jonathan Kaminga in particular,
Speaker 2: got a lot of reps last year, Moses Moody got
Speaker 2: more postseason reps in this particular postseason run against the Lakers.
Speaker 2: And then again, Tray Jackson Davis is older than those
Speaker 2: guys and has been playing winning basketball for a while.
Speaker 2: So if one of those guys develops into that piece,
Speaker 2: then they won't have to make a trade. But once again,
Speaker 2: they could find themselves in a position where they're hovering
Speaker 2: around five hundred at the deadline and need to make
Speaker 2: a significant move to upgrade the front line, because I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if they have the depth to make it
Speaker 2: all work now. Maybe Dario Sarach helps enough there, but
Speaker 2: I don't think he's athletic enough necessarily to dominate consistently
Speaker 2: in the physical environments they'll need him to on the road.
Speaker 2: There's also the Jordan element. How much of their road
Speaker 2: struggles last year came down to chemistry. You know, when
Speaker 2: you're on the road, you're traveling with your teammates all
Speaker 2: the time. When you're at home, you go home to
Speaker 2: your family, and so when you show up to the arena,
Speaker 2: you're in a better mood. But on the road, it's
Speaker 2: like you're stuck with your teammates the whole time. And
Speaker 2: so if there's a chemistry beef and I don't I
Speaker 2: don't know the details. I don't know if Jordan Pool
Speaker 2: and Draymond Green still had issues that late in the season,
Speaker 2: but I don't know how much like if Jordan Poole
Speaker 2: and the relationship with Draymond had an adverse effect on
Speaker 2: their road situation. Getting Jordan Poole out of the situation
Speaker 2: might help as well with their chemistry and their ability
Speaker 2: to bring good basketball away from trade from Chase Center. So,
Speaker 2: to take a long story short, I think that they're
Speaker 2: still in a predicament for the regular season and they
Speaker 2: could end up fighting for playoff position again all season,
Speaker 2: which could be a problem. But I do think they
Speaker 2: considerably approved with improved within the postseason context because of
Speaker 2: the Chris Paul acquisition, and then again push comes to shove,
Speaker 2: maybe you can fly those young players at this deadline
Speaker 2: for that particular type of forward that you're looking for.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, that is all I have for today. Tomorrow,
Speaker 2: I am traveling to Vegas for Summer League. Don't forget
Speaker 2: to come say hi while I'm out there. We have
Speaker 2: shows scheduled for Saturday and Sunday night that we're recording
Speaker 2: at the Blue Wires studio there at the Wind in Vegas.
Speaker 2: Don't forget to come say high. Like I said, I'll
Speaker 2: be sitting in the arena watching games for the most part.
Speaker 2: I also on playing some pickup basketball while I'm there too.
Speaker 2: I'll tweet out the locations that I'm going to, so
Speaker 2: I hope to see you this weekend. If not, then
Speaker 2: I'll see you guys on YouTube on Saturday night.
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