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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. This is the best of with

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I saw

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Speaker 2: a discussion on the View.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, I watch, so you don't have to.

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Speaker 2: Guy by the name of Coleman Hughes who has a

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Speaker 2: new book out saying that we are talking about race

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Speaker 2: incorrectly in this country and that we need to change

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Speaker 2: our discussion. And I want to play this for you

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Speaker 2: because Sonny Houstin, who I would say regularly has among

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Speaker 2: the worst takes in anyone for anyone who is on

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Speaker 2: daily media, attacked this author. I think Coleman Hughes, in

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Speaker 2: his twenties, relatively young guy.

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Speaker 3: Listen to.

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Speaker 2: I want to play a couple of these cuts and

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Speaker 2: let you guys hear him. I give credit to the

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Speaker 2: View for actually having a discussion, being willing to have

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Speaker 2: this author on, but I do think it represents two

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Speaker 2: different views of how the world should be. Listen to

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Speaker 2: cut twenty six. Here this is Coleman Hughes Sonny Houstin

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Speaker 4: Your argument that race has no place in that equation

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Speaker 4: is really fundamentally flawed.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's two separate questions. One is whether each racial

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Speaker 5: group is socioeconomically the same that I agree with you

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Speaker 5: they're not. Yeah, they're not question But yeah, of course

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Speaker 5: I agree with that fully. The question is how do

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Speaker 5: you address that in the way that actually targets.

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Speaker 1: Poverty the best?

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Speaker 5: And what Martin Luther King wrote in his book Why

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Speaker 5: We Can't Wait is he called it we need a

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Speaker 5: bill of rights for the disadvantage, and he said, yes,

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Speaker 5: we should address racial inequality, Yes we should address the

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Speaker 5: legacy of slavery.

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Speaker 3: But the way to do that.

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Speaker 5: Is on the basis of class, and that will disproportionately

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Speaker 5: target Blacks and Hispanics because they're disproportionately poor, but it

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Speaker 5: will be doing so in a way that also helps

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Speaker 5: the white poor, in a way that addresses poverty as

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Speaker 5: the thing to be addressed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that was part one. That's part of the discussion.

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Speaker 2: And then Sonny Houston decides Colvid Hughes, she's going to

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Speaker 2: directly attack him.

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Speaker 3: Listen to this.

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Speaker 4: Many in the black community believe that you are being

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Speaker 4: used as a pawn by the right and that you

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Speaker 4: were Charlatan of sorts. How do you respond to those critics?

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Speaker 5: I don't think I've been co opted by anyone. I've

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Speaker 5: only voted twice, both for Democrats. Although I'm an independent.

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Speaker 5: I would vote for a Republican, probably a non Trump Republican,

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Speaker 5: if they were compelling. I don't think there's any evidence

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Speaker 5: I've been co opted by anyone, and I think that

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Speaker 5: that's an ad hominem tactic people use to not address

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Speaker 5: really the important conversations we're having here, and I think

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Speaker 5: it's better and it would be better for everyone if

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Speaker 5: we stuck to the topics rather than make it about me.

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Speaker 4: I want to give you the opportunity to respond to this.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the criticism. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: There's no evidence that I've been co opted by anyone.

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Speaker 5: I have an independent podcast, I work for CNN as

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Speaker 5: an analyst.

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Speaker 3: I write for the Free Press.

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Speaker 5: I'm independent in all of these endeavors, and no one

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Speaker 5: is paying me to say what I'm saying. I'm saying

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Speaker 5: it because I feel it.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Can I just she's not only she's actually my

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Speaker 6: least favorite at the table. I will say, I agree

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Speaker 6: with you, she's the worst. She is. She has become

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Speaker 6: she's super you know, just sort of always takes the

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Speaker 6: most entitled position. You know, she she's very, very smug

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Speaker 6: with everybody all the time. I was like, oh, I'm

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Speaker 6: a lawyer, so I know more than everybody. She's honestly,

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Speaker 6: deeply unimpressive and not very bright. But I'll just say this,

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Speaker 6: her whole thing there, and this is what really bothered

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Speaker 6: me of people are saying, no, she's saying it. She's

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Speaker 6: saying it. She's using this this ploy on a show

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Speaker 6: where this gentleman is being very gentlemanly. By the way

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Speaker 6: Coleman hughes, she's the one who is taking upon herself

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Speaker 6: to say, well, you know, everybody says you're a fraud

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Speaker 6: in the black community and that you've been co opted.

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Speaker 6: So what do you say to that? Like, first of all,

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Speaker 6: she clearly believes that too. And look, you know her,

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Speaker 6: she has a she has a child at Harvard, she's

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Speaker 6: a fan of racial preferences. I think she might think

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Speaker 6: And she is a female minority, multi multimillionaire and still

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Speaker 2: Call somebody a charlaton is a pretty significant attack, even

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Speaker 2: if you put it in someone else's voices. Remember also,

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Speaker 2: Sonny Hostin's ancestors own slaves. Remember we had that discussion

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Speaker 2: where she found out that actually she was the beneficiary

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Speaker 2: of slavery having existed.

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Speaker 3: But you could do this.

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Speaker 6: Do you think anybody who writes a controversial book, or

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Speaker 6: not even controversial, a book that makes a political argument

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Speaker 6: that she likes, she has a moment to dive into

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 6: Do you think that she would ever say to Ibram

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Speaker 6: think that you're a hack who uses racial division to

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Speaker 6: unjustly enrich yourself with idiotic theories, and you're not even

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Speaker 6: a real public intellectual, like you're just spewing stuff that

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Speaker 6: other people have spewed and using race people say that,

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Speaker 6: do you think she would ever do that?

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Speaker 3: Of course, of course not. She doesn't say she wouldn't

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Speaker 3: do it for Nicole Hanna Jones.

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Speaker 2: And also I think it's interesting how she is saying

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Speaker 3: An important point here.

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Speaker 2: What identity politics requires is that no one be able

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Speaker 2: to speak out on their own opinion irrespective of their race.

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Speaker 2: And what she's saying to Coleman Hughes is you basically

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Speaker 2: aren't allowed to have the opinions that you have because

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Speaker 3: And probably that's.

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Speaker 6: those who are left dislike her want is one in

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Speaker 6: which the following they consider to be just a Vietnamese

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Speaker 6: immigrant comes to this country penniless, Okay, and at no

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Speaker 6: parents you know they bring their child with them. They

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Speaker 6: are not beneficiaries of affirmative action. They do not get

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Speaker 6: Sonny Austin's world, or any black Cardio crass.

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Speaker 7: Malia and Sasha Obama, Melia sashobab right, perfect examples.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't matter Malia and Sasha Obama. Well they're Obama.

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Speaker 6: So there's you know that, there's like the political affirmative

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Speaker 6: action that happens too for famous Democrats. But point being,

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Speaker 6: you get the advantage of going to going to apply

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Speaker 6: a penniless Vietnamese immigrant who comes to America with nothing,

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Speaker 6: And Sonny Houston, who is a millionaire with children who

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Speaker 6: ultimately she knows if the argument were exposed, it's clearly unjust.

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Speaker 6: People just want their stuff, they want their special privileges.

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Speaker 6: It has nothing to do with what is fair. It

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Speaker 6: has nothing to do with what is constitutional. Clay Supreme

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Speaker 6: Court's already ruled it is unconstitutional to do what Sonny

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Speaker 3: She doesn't care. She's a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think it's really important here. And that's

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Speaker 2: why his better point that Sonny Houstin didn't address is

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Speaker 2: if you look at elite colleges, do you know who's

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Speaker 2: actually hugely underrepresented poor people? Because socioeconomics is actually what

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Speaker 6: If you want to tell me that somebody with two

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Speaker 6: because you know, or rather I would agree with that

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Speaker 6: argument every time. Right, that is true. The world in

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Speaker 2: And I would also build on this buck by saying,

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Speaker 2: the person with the lower socioeconomics status, if they have

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Speaker 2: to unlock all of the advantages that someone else has.

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Speaker 2: Almost like a venture capital, if you're looking at individuals

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Speaker 2: they got let's say a thirteen hundred on the SAT.

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Speaker 2: Somebody with every advantage got to thirteen sixty. Well, how

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Speaker 2: much higher could the SAT of thirteen one hundred go

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Speaker 3: Is their ceiling?

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Speaker 7: Who would you rather invest in the person who hasn't

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Speaker 7: had the opportunity yet to maximize their potential, or the

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Speaker 7: person who's had every advantage and probably has already gone.

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Speaker 2: As far as they can go. It really to me,

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Speaker 2: if you're trying to produce elite, meritocratic individuals, you want

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Speaker 6: But again, the sonny hoston argument on this, and what

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Speaker 6: she was really just so nasty to Coleman Hughes about

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Speaker 6: is if you are a white kid from Appalachia who

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Speaker 6: you know on welfare, you've had it easier than Obama's kids.

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Speaker 6: That's that's the argument. And for the purposes of college application,

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Speaker 6: for the purposes of higher you've had it easier, and

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Speaker 6: therefore there should be discrimination in favor of the latter

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Speaker 6: and not the former. That is the argument that she's

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Speaker 6: because she is eliminating economics as a factor in the disparity.

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Speaker 6: It is only about ethnicity, It is only about skin color.

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Speaker 2: It also then gets really crazy and super racist, right,

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Speaker 2: because then you start asking, Okay, what percentage minority do

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Speaker 3: True, she's the whitest.

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Speaker 6: I was immediately on Twitter lighting up CNN Communications over

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Speaker 3: And this is where do you remember Sean King, the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I told him. I don't remember what the percentage

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Speaker 1: So you're listening to the best of Clay Travis and

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Speaker 2: Laura Travis aka my wife was listening to my discussion

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Speaker 3: So so.

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Speaker 7: I would submit that if you ever drive with someone

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Speaker 6: Does Laar then do the thing that maybe my own

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Speaker 2: Yes, she said, Like I drove us back from the

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Speaker 6: As fast as you've ever been caught speeding, how much.

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Speaker 3: Over have you go that. Yeah. Yeah, well I'm trying

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Speaker 2: Probably thirty miles over the speed limit, wow, not like

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Speaker 3: Am aventure issues.

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Speaker 6: He denies this, but all of my siblings and I

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Speaker 2: I have gotten a speeding ticket before and thought to myself, well,

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Speaker 2: One of the funny things is one of the times

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about. But when he was

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if we're on in this community Georgiana.

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Speaker 2: one of the all time number one traffic stop just

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Speaker 3: At the time. My son had been told, Hey, we're

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Speaker 2: And when we got pulled over, he just popped up.

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Speaker 6: So Clay may be risking lives on the sidewalk, but

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Speaker 3: Their abcs, So that is very nice. That's right.

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Speaker 6: I would say the when you look at the numbers,

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Speaker 6: slash speed cameras. Now, yes, which is another speed traps

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Speaker 3: They just take a photo. They don't even bother pulling

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Speaker 6: Now, yeah, you look at the amount of money from that,

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Speaker 2: And when I talk about a traffic like you know trap,

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Speaker 2: what speed trap? What I'm talking about is not like, hey,

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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

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Speaker 6: Ali may have to back me up on this one,

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Speaker 6: but there is that experience when you're in the Travis,

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Speaker 6: just saying that's a real thing. And Clay has driving

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Speaker 2: It's just that's what Sally says is an accurate description.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to share Laura Travis's insults at my driving.

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Speaker 2: By the way, four million parking tickets issued two hundred

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Speaker 6: Two hundred and sixty million dollars in parking tickets.

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Speaker 2: wife wants to read it. You are absolutely killing it,

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Speaker 2: and so I want to start with this though before

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Speaker 2: we get into the book. You have had a similar

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Speaker 2: experience as me when American Playbook came out, it was

445
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Speaker 2: the number one selling nonfiction book in America. It did

446
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Speaker 2: not make the New York Times list. Your book went

447
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Speaker 2: to number one, I believe on Amazon, which is virtually

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Speaker 2: unheard of. It did not make one of the fifteen

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Speaker 2: best selling books in America. This is one of the

450
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Speaker 2: best endorsements of a book I can give you, because

451
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Speaker 2: to me, it means The Times does not want.

452
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Speaker 3: Your book to get the publicity and attention.

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Speaker 2: Explain that for listeners out there, who I think a

454
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Speaker 2: lot of people think the New York Times just ranks

455
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Speaker 2: the best selling books.

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Speaker 3: They don't at all.

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Speaker 2: What why is this significant? And what does it say

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Speaker 2: to you that they have avoided recognizing how many people

459
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Speaker 2: are buying and reading your book.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, they don't like anybody who kicks the

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Speaker 8: legs out of their narrative, right. So with the last book,

462
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Speaker 8: they were very unhappy with me because I wrote, you know,

463
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Speaker 8: about the epidemic of teenage girls deciding they were transgender,

464
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Speaker 8: and I, you know, pointed out the risks and I

465
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Speaker 8: argued it was a social contagion. And the book was

466
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Speaker 8: really successful, and that bothered the New York Times a

467
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Speaker 8: lot because eventually they had to admit those risks. So

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Speaker 8: in this book, you Know, Bad Therapy really just says that,

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Speaker 8: you know, the the question is why are these why

470
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Speaker 8: does this generation think it so unwell? Why are they

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Speaker 8: awash and diagnosis? Why are they constantly taking mental health

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Speaker 8: days off of work? Why do they think that there?

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Speaker 8: Why are they all and why don't they all have

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Speaker 8: a diagnosis? Why are they all on psychmads or so

475
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Speaker 8: many of them? And why do they never say they're

476
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Speaker 8: shy they have social phobia, and they never say they're nervous,

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Speaker 8: They say they have anxiety. They never say they're sad,

478
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Speaker 8: they say they're depressed. And the point of the book

479
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Speaker 8: was really to empower parents to stop listening to these

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Speaker 8: so called experts who are really undermining parental authority, really

481
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Speaker 8: undermining especially dad's ability to do what they think is right.

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Speaker 8: It's often the men get who have changed the most

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Speaker 8: and gotten the most undermined by these so called experts.

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Speaker 8: And that's the last group that The New York Times

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Speaker 8: ever wants to give any power to.

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Speaker 6: Abigail's back thanks for being with us. To what degree

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Speaker 6: do you think there's some connection possibly between the fact

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Speaker 6: that the psychiatric and psychologist profession is by far, according

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Speaker 6: to all the data, and I don't think anybody disagrees

490
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Speaker 6: with this, the most left wing by political affiliation of

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Speaker 6: any of the medical specialties. I mean to the point

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Speaker 6: where now you have some of these medical associations that

493
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Speaker 6: are going along with and you wrote the book about,

494
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Speaker 6: you know, gender identity disorder, genditis for you or whatever.

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Speaker 6: They're going along with things like men can get pregnant.

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Speaker 6: I mean, they actually are going along with anti science.

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Speaker 6: How much politicization is to blame for this, sure so

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Speaker 6: a lot.

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Speaker 8: I mean the group that had remember these accrediting organizations,

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Speaker 8: had nothing to say when kids were heading into a

501
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Speaker 8: second year of lockt lockest What did they do. They

502
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Speaker 8: showed up in Congress to warn about police tactics, climate change,

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Speaker 8: right and systemic racism. They had a lot to say

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Speaker 8: about that. Now they think there's the solution to kids'

505
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Speaker 8: mental health. You know, in the book, I argue, there

506
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Speaker 8: are a large part of the problem. And here's the

507
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Speaker 8: connection to what you just raised. You know, if you

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Speaker 8: have intergenerational trauma, if all kids are walking around with

509
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Speaker 8: the trauma of their ancestors. Not true, by the way,

510
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Speaker 8: it's a lot of nonsense. But if they are, then

511
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Speaker 8: colonialism and slavery are with us today. There continue to

512
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Speaker 8: harm these kids. Now we know it isn't true. It

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Speaker 8: hasn't been true, and I went into the research to

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Speaker 8: show that it wasn't true, But you know them. Unfortunately,

515
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Speaker 8: a lot of good parents have been undermined by the

516
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Speaker 8: idea that they don't know what's best for their kids'

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Speaker 8: mental health, and so they've been strong armed once again

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Speaker 8: into not doing what's right for their kids.

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Speaker 2: Bad Therapy is the book Why the Kids Aren't Growing Up?

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Speaker 2: And I am already starting to read this a little bit, Abigail,

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Speaker 2: but I've read your excerpts. I think it was in

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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal, which I thought was really interesting,

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Speaker 2: And I want you to expand upon this because I

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Speaker 2: see it at the front of the book too. Talk

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Speaker 2: therapy can induce rumination, trapping kids in cycles of anxiety

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Speaker 2: and depression.

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Speaker 3: This is what some of your research has found.

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Speaker 2: Social emotional learning handicaps our most vulnerable children in both

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Speaker 2: public schools and private The piece that I read that

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Speaker 2: you excerpted was talking about how as parents were constantly

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Speaker 2: sort of taught to ask our kids how they feel,

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Speaker 2: and that that is making kids believe that whatever their

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Speaker 2: feeling is is their truth, as opposed to teaching them

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Speaker 2: that their emotions are going to vary and that it

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Speaker 2: can't be the guidepost of their life.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was so fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Explain what you uncovered about that focusing on feelings and

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Speaker 2: treating them as legitimate.

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Speaker 8: Sure, focusing on feelings, which we know are in constant

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Speaker 8: and often even inaccurate guides to whether we have been

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Speaker 8: hurt or injured, or whether we're in the right Catting

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Speaker 8: kids to constantly focus on their feelings is actually a

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Speaker 8: recipe for misery.

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Speaker 1: We know this.

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Speaker 8: The psychological research shows it. We're just doing the opposite.

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Speaker 8: We're going into schools and as parents were doing the

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Speaker 8: same thing. We're constantly asking kids how are they feeling

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Speaker 8: about this? How are they feeling about that? We're inducing

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Speaker 8: a constant focus on their negative feelings. Why is it negative? Because,

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Speaker 8: of course, if you ask someone constantly how they're feeling,

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Speaker 8: they're actually going to produce mostly negative responses. And the

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Speaker 8: reason is in all of our you know, thousands of

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Speaker 8: wakeful seconds, most of them are not in a state

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Speaker 8: called happy. They're in some kind of period of you know, irritation, itch, discomfort, worry,

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Speaker 8: and getting kids to focus on those things while rather

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Speaker 8: than going out and doing good. That's the opposite of

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Speaker 8: what we want to be doing. But the other's another

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Speaker 8: bad thing when with things like social emotional learning, constantly

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Speaker 8: asking kids about their negative feelings in school. But what

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Speaker 8: I want parents to know is it naturally tees up

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Speaker 8: a criticism of the parents. Why because parents are the

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Speaker 8: ones whose job it is to keep a child safe.

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Speaker 8: So if they were terribly traumatized by an incident, the

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Speaker 8: next question is where was mom.

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Speaker 2: I think the data you mentioned dads, I think the

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Speaker 2: data and I'm curious if you find this that as

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Speaker 2: dads have become less involved in two parent households, the

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Speaker 2: overall health of kids has collapsed, mental health in many ways.

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Speaker 2: And there's this idea, and I bet you've read about

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Speaker 2: it and studied at Abigail that lots of people, even

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Speaker 2: on the left, they talk left, but they live right.

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Speaker 2: That is, they have nuclear families in their own life.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people wagging their finger at you on

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Speaker 2: MSNBC and CNN. They are married to a woman or

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Speaker 2: they're married to a man. They have traditional household structures.

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Speaker 2: They raise the kids in the two parent household, and

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Speaker 2: then they lecture anyone who suggests that that would be

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Speaker 2: a good model, even though they're following it themselves. Where

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Speaker 2: does fatherhood rank and factor in here in your research?

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Speaker 8: So what father is that men are the ones who

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Speaker 8: have changed the most in terms of parenting in the

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Speaker 8: last generation. And here's why. All of their instincts, they

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Speaker 8: were told are bad for the kids' mental health. Telling

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Speaker 8: a kid you'll live, you're going to be fine, shake

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Speaker 8: it off or knock it off, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 8: They were told, don't do that. It's bad for their

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Speaker 8: mental health. Basically, that would that is the wrong way

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Speaker 8: to proceed. And so the kids got no balance. They

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Speaker 8: got constant empathy, they got constant you know, eliciting of

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Speaker 8: their feelings, and never a sense that they would be resilient,

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Speaker 8: they would be fine. And here's the other thing. They

592
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Speaker 8: weren't told that their grandparents went through much worse. See

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Speaker 8: your grandparents, that's the only proof you've got that your

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Speaker 8: genetic material is resilient. They need to hear what dad

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Speaker 8: and mom and grandparents went through and great grandparents went through.

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Speaker 8: It's the only proof they've got that, they can get

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Speaker 8: through it too.

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Speaker 6: Abigail Schreyer, the author Bad Therapy While the Kids Aren't

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Speaker 6: Growing Up is the book, recommend you all get a

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Speaker 6: copy of it now. And just in terms of the

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Speaker 6: therapy component of this for kids, how much of this

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Speaker 6: do you think is also the usage of the medicalization

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Speaker 6: of childhood discontent, which we all go through at different times. Right,

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Speaker 6: we all skin our knee at different times, we fall

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Speaker 6: off the jungle gym, although now I don't even if

606
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Speaker 6: there are jungle gyms anymore, like you can't really the

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Speaker 6: playgrounds have changed a lot from what they used to be.

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Speaker 6: But by medicalizing these problems, it means that they can

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Speaker 6: get at kids and indoctrinate them younger and younger.

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Speaker 8: That's right. They get them into the mental health pipeline

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Speaker 8: and they never leave. They just get more and more medication.

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Speaker 8: And here's the thing. Sometimes kids are going through a

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Speaker 8: bad phase. Sometimes they're going to outgrow it. And there's

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Speaker 8: something else too. When you get in and delete their

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Speaker 8: normal resources with medication, their normal sadness, you're also capping

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Speaker 8: the happiness, the highs. You're altering. You may be deleting

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Speaker 8: a sex drive and the young kid who's just starting puberty,

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Speaker 8: and you're doing all the things that will make it

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Speaker 8: harder for them to adjust to and cope with normal life.

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Speaker 8: And that's what we're seeing, a generation that.

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Speaker 1: Can't cope, Abigail.

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Speaker 2: How much does social media play in here in terms

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Speaker 2: of I talk about this on the show sometimes. One

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Speaker 2: of the most staggering stats I've seen, thirty percent of

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Speaker 2: teenage girls have thought about killing themselves in the last year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is an unbelievable number. Obviously, that is

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Speaker 2: feelings triumphing over the logic of their life, because I

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Speaker 2: can't imagine that thirty percent of women and teenage girls

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Speaker 2: are actually living in dire straits.

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Speaker 3: How much of that is a.

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Speaker 2: Function of the feelings that they get from social media?

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Speaker 2: And how should parents, in your mind contemplate social media.

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Speaker 8: Social media is bad. It's hurting this problem, no doubt.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 8: I wrote about the last book, a social contagion of

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Speaker 8: trans identification that was basically spread largely through social media.

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Speaker 8: But here's the problem. The sad things they're stealing, the

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Speaker 8: sad feelings they have, you know, if they feel lonely

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Speaker 8: and depressed, partially because social media, we're then remediating it

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Speaker 8: with mental health, not giving them a better life, not

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Speaker 8: taking away the phone, not curbing social media, but giving

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Speaker 8: them more and more mental health interventions that aren't working. Diagnosis, medication,

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Speaker 8: it's not working. Its counterproductive. Why because it's the life

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Speaker 8: that's a problem. And the reason we know this is

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Speaker 8: liberal boys from teenage Teenage boys from liberal families have

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Speaker 8: worse mental health. Sorry, teenage boys from liberal families have

647
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Speaker 8: worse mental health than teenage girls from conservative families. Now,

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Speaker 8: let me tell you, the girls are on a lot

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Speaker 8: more social media, but the difference is in the environment.

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Speaker 8: The lack of authority from parents, the introduction of mental

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Speaker 8: health experts into the home at the first indication of

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Speaker 8: sadness or a problem, all those things, and the constant

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Speaker 8: surveillance of any activity, never letting these kids have real

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Speaker 8: independence and trying to do something in the world even

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Speaker 8: when it's dangerous or has potential danger, like walking home

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Speaker 8: from school. Those are all things that make a kid

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Speaker 8: feel capable, and we're not letting him do those things.

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Speaker 6: Abigail Schreyer, Everybody, Why the Kids Aren't growing up? Bad therapy.

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Speaker 6: Why the Kids Aren't growing Up? Is the book Abigail,

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Speaker 6: thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate the time.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you.

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Speaker 8: Take care.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 3: Let's be honest as we go in.

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Speaker 2: You and I spent four hours yesterday at a photo

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Speaker 2: shoot for PR for the show here in Nashville.

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Speaker 3: That's why you came to town.

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Speaker 2: How many hours of live radio would you rather do

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Speaker 2: than a four hour photo shoot? I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: I was so tired after that photo shoot. I think

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Speaker 2: I'd rather do three days of radio than one day

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Speaker 2: of a four hour photo shoot.

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Speaker 3: What about you?

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Speaker 6: I would speak until my vocal cords turned to actual mush.

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Speaker 3: Before I would keep doing that.

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Speaker 6: And when they you know, I'm not good at to

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00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 6: make love to the camera like, that's not it's not

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Speaker 6: my skill set.

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Speaker 3: I try. I have a weird crooked.

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Speaker 6: Smile that looks like a smirk.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, just I will tell you, And I told

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Speaker 2: you this yesterday my way my wife. I told her, hey,

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Speaker 2: I've got the photo shoot. She gave me two garment

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Speaker 2: bags of clothes. She didn't even ask me what I

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Speaker 2: thought I should wear. I had no idea what she

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Speaker 2: had packed until I opened it up and there were

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Speaker 2: handwritten notes in there of what was supposed to be

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Speaker 2: paired together because she didn't even trust me to unzip

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Speaker 2: it and put on the appropriate clothing.

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Speaker 3: That's how little I was involved in the choice of

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Speaker 3: my time.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to share something a little behind the scenes, okay,

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Speaker 6: because I had to point this out.

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Speaker 3: I was told.

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Speaker 6: I was told, for at least the more formal shots,

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Speaker 6: no boat shoes. Now I feel called out by that

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Speaker 6: a little bit, okay, because I am known and have

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Speaker 6: been for a long time. I've been wearing boat shoes

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Speaker 6: since I think I was six years old. I've worn

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Speaker 6: so many pair always Sparry, by the way, the real,

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Speaker 6: the original.

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Speaker 2: They were not very cool for a long time. Then

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Speaker 2: they became super cool, Wendy, they become super cool. Yeah

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Speaker 2: they are.

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Speaker 6: They are in style right now. And so I tried

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Speaker 6: to bring this up to my wife, who then pointed

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Speaker 6: out to me, no, you're not on trend, because you're

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Speaker 6: so off trend for so many years that the trend

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Speaker 6: finally comes in your direction. I was like, but, but

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Speaker 6: but the broken clock. It's apparently with fashion you're not

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Speaker 6: allowed to do that. Like I can't take a victory

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Speaker 6: lap because I've been wearing shoes that are meant for

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Speaker 6: cuddly grandpa's mostly or people that are on yachts, but

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Speaker 6: really mostly cuddly grandpa's. They are my favorite form of footwear.

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Speaker 6: They are now truly check it out. Don't take my

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Speaker 6: word for it. In style the I accident. I am

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Speaker 6: very fessio nab and yet I was told I have

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Speaker 6: to wear like big boys shoes and I did, so

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Speaker 6: there we go.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was a long process by which all of you

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Speaker 2: I know you will too, Buck, because you got a

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Speaker 2: and I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: A few cut thirty one out there is one of

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Speaker 2: our listeners responding on the Harrison Butker situation.

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Speaker 3: I believe listen to this.

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Speaker 9: I think that Harrison fucker happens to be the most

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Speaker 9: beautiful man in this country right now. And I accidentally

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Speaker 9: ran across his commencement speech on my phone and I cried.

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Speaker 9: I'm seventy eight years old, and I.

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Speaker 6: Cried, Oh, it's very very touching to say to this,

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Speaker 6: to this caller saying that Harrison's the most beautiful man

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Speaker 6: in the country.

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Speaker 3: You didn't see.

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Speaker 6: Clay Rocket all of his looks yesterday at the photo shoot.

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying, Clay's been working.

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Speaker 1: Out the photo.

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Speaker 3: I know I'm gonna go. I don't even I know.

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Speaker 3: Russ used to say this too, and I'm sure you

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Speaker 3: see this as well.

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Speaker 2: The percentage of the time that I do video that

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Speaker 2: people don't comment about anything I said at all.

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Speaker 3: It's all cosmetic.

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Speaker 2: Continues to stagger me, and I know I shouldn't because

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Speaker 2: I've been doing live television for like a decade now,

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Speaker 2: but whenever I jump in the comments, the amount that

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Speaker 2: has nothing whatsoever to do with anything that I've said

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Speaker 2: blows my mind. And I understand that I can't be

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Speaker 2: trusted to dress myself, which is certainly an indictment of

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Speaker 2: my fashion sense, But I just I'm blown up, Like,

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Speaker 2: how many guys that you know really spend a lot

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Speaker 2: of time on fashion? Is it a high percentage? It

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem to me yet. On social media, it's like

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Speaker 2: all these guys spend a time ton of time on

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Speaker 2: this stuff.

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Speaker 6: And what people don't realize is that in our in

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Speaker 6: the industry, meaning like TV news and such, all the

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Speaker 6: big names you know, pretty much, they all have people

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Speaker 6: that dress them as a job. That's very common.

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Speaker 3: They have stylist.

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Speaker 6: All the networks have stylists that are picking their clothing

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Speaker 6: and lining. So if you're like, oh so and so

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Speaker 6: is so well dressed over at CNN, No, the professional

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Speaker 6: fashion person that picks out their clothing make sure they're

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Speaker 6: well dressed. Clay and I get our own flip flops,

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Speaker 6: our own baggy shorts, and our own faded T shirts together.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,