1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the Thursday edition of The Clay Travis 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show. A lot of news to dive into, 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: and we will do that with all of you. We 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: appreciate you hanging out with us, being ready to look 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: at all things that are mattering on this lovely Thursday. 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: We can start with one here. 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: We have a we can put one on the board 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: for a Clay Travis prediction come true. He feels he's 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: got a little bit of the hot hand right now. 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: He's feeling feeling pretty smooth, feeling pretty on it. The 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: Court of Appeals in New York has tossed tossed the 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: five hundred million dollars civil fraud fine by Age Tish James. 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: This is a breaking news today. 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: And I will say this is one where I was 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: Clay called this very early on and was he was vociferous, 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: he was unwavering. I thought this was possible, but not 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: as confidence. So I give the full predictive If both 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: of us one hundred percent agree on something it's not 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: I give. 20 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: The full predictive value. Here. 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: All points are worded to Clay on the prediction on 22 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: this one, because I thought it was kind of a 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: fifty to fifty and he said, they're absolutely going to 24 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: toss it. 25 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: And now this is this is good. 26 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: The Appellate Division, First Department in New York Credit where 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: it's due, did the obviously right thing. This was completely 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: a completely insane case, obvious political headhunting. Attorney General of 29 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: New York State Tiss James was, it was awful what 30 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: she did. It was disgraceful that she ran promising to 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: prosecute somebody or promising to find somebody, you know, bring 32 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: suit again civil suit in this case. And that they 33 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: that they said, Clay, I mean the things that came 34 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: out in this case. They that Trump valued mar A 35 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: Lago at five hundred and seventeen million dollars, and they 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: said it was twenty seven million dollars in twenty twenty. 37 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: Anybody with even a passing the vaguest familiarity with the 38 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: Palm Beach real estate market, you know, I don't know 39 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: what house you're gonna get on the water for twenty 40 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: seven million dollars in Palm Beach these days, Clay, it 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: was the abuse of law in the worst possible fashion. 42 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: And maybe the look he's president now, so maybe the 43 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,839 Speaker 1: appellate court decided they weren't going to continue to poke 44 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: the dragon. But a good call by you, sir, take 45 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: a bow, for sure, and a good moment actually for 46 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: I know this sounds corny, perhaps it's true, a good 47 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: moment for law and order in this country, for the 48 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: rule of law in this country. 49 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, for people who have forgotten. 50 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: And I know there are so many different legal proceedings. 51 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: We've joked kind of about this, but I never would 52 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: have believed when I went to law school that I 53 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: would end up just analyzing Trump legal cases for what 54 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: feels like a career oftentimes, because Trump two point zero 55 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 3: has primarily been driven the resistance has by the judiciary, 56 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: by the legal branch, and it all started as a 57 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 3: part of the twenty twenty four elections. So this particular case, 58 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 3: and I know there are so many of them that 59 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 3: it is hard to keep up, was brought by Letitia 60 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 3: James alleging mortgage fraud. And I'm trying to simplify this 61 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 3: a little bit, and she said the mortgage fraud was 62 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: that Trump inflated the assets that were under his control 63 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: to obtain a lower rate of the mortgage than he 64 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 3: otherwise should have. But and this is why the case 65 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: was really outlandish from the start. He paid all the 66 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: loans back, so there was no actual victim here. 67 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: Even worse, even worse than that Clay. 68 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: He paid all the loans back with interest, and the 69 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: banks said they had no problem with this. They agreed 70 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: with his The banks did an independent assessment. They always do. Yes, 71 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: I mean this is anyone who's gotten a mortgage knows 72 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: it is a giant pain in the butt. The banks 73 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: do their own assessment. They want their own person going there. Clearly, 74 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: the bank said they would be this was part of 75 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: the court finalist. They would be eager to do business 76 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: with Trump again. 77 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: Yes, So this was an incredibly strained legal theory to 78 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 3: begin with, because there was no victim, and so the 79 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: idea that Trump should have to pay back what five 80 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: over five hundred million dollars with interest. Now, she tried 81 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 3: to calculate what the rate, in her opinion, should have 82 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: been for the loans that Trump took out that he 83 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: ended up paying back, and that the banks said they 84 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: were very comfortable in the deal they did, and then 85 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: argued that that was a fraud perpetrated that the State 86 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 3: of New York needed to investigate, bring civil criminal penalties, 87 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 3: civil penalties against and the New York Court of Appeals 88 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 3: just said this is garbage. And here is where I 89 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 3: think we are headed. I think all these cases are 90 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: going to end up getting tossed. I think there are three. 91 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong, Buck, because sometimes I get 92 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 3: kind of lost in the weeds on some of this too. 93 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: There are three New York state trials and or legal 94 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: proceedings of significance. There's probably more than this. One is 95 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: this one that was just tossed out the mortgage fraud. 96 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: The other one was the Egene Carroll civil suit relating 97 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: to allegations of sexual assault. I think that's going to 98 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: be tossed. I've explained why. And then is it thirty 99 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 3: four felony counts over bookkeeping fraud? It was thirty four, right, 100 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 3: not forty three. I can't remember which one of those 101 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: numbers are right. Yes, I think all three of these 102 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: are going to get tossed eventually. The felonies obviously, is 103 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 3: the only one that is criminal in nature, and it 104 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: is a sham case that is going to be tossed 105 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: on appeal the most likely if you had me rank 106 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 3: them to remain, if Trump were gonna lose one of these, 107 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 3: it would be the e Gene Carroll. But I just 108 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 3: at its baseline. Again, this goes into the weeds. I 109 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: don't understand how it's defamation to deny that you raped someone. 110 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: I mean, that seems that seems like fair, fair for 111 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: Trump to say, right. 112 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: This would mean this would mean that in any case, 113 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: by the way, your defense would make you lie, liable 114 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: for a liable for the defense itself. Right, and I 115 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: didn't do this thing. Let's have a trial. Oh, we're 116 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: gonna find you guilty. And by the way, because you 117 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: said you didn't do it, we're also gonna sue you 118 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: because of what you said in court. I mean, I 119 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: don't understand how it's It is crazy. And let me 120 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: be even clearer on this, because this we've seen a 121 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: lawsuit over George Stephanopolos. Of this, Trump was actually, in 122 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: a civil context found not to have committed rape. That is, 123 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: the jury found it more likely than not in a 124 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: civil context that he did not commit a rape. They 125 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: did find it more likely than not that he had 126 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: engaged in sexual assault. So he then said, this is 127 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: where the additional lawsuit and additional damages came buck. After 128 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: this verdict, he said, well, that's not true. I didn't, 129 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: you know, rape her, I didn't sexually assault her. And 130 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: then she's lying about that, and then she sued him 131 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: again saying, well, he defamed her based on the ruling 132 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: that she had gotten. So again, I just think that 133 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: case is garbage. We're seeing the Letitia James mortgage case 134 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: is officially basically from the New York Court of Appeals garbage. 135 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: And I think all the felony charges are going to 136 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: get tossed to Now. A lot of you may say, 137 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: I don't even care Trump's in office all these things. 138 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: I do think the court's rulings here matter because the 139 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: precedent they put in place when they went after Trump. 140 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: If you happen to be a Republican and live in 141 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: a blue state, or candidly, if you happen to be 142 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: in a Democrat and run in a red state, we 143 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: can't allow your politics to become proxy for civil and 144 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: criminal liability just based on what you happen to believe. 145 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: In my opinion, Trump stomped on law fair the same 146 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: way that he's stomped on MSNBC and CNN and accomplish 147 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: things that I don't think many of us believed were 148 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: even possible years ago. 149 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: In both In both of those instances. 150 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: The fact that you had it was four criminal trials 151 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: or four criminal prosecutions rather and multiple civil suits all 152 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: timed to hit him at the same time and while 153 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: he's running for president, and that he will emerge from 154 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: all of that Clay essentially now. I know there's still 155 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: the New York case, but that one I agree with you. 156 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: I mean, there's gonna be there's gonna be no punishment 157 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: that they He's the president. They can't do anything right now, 158 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: and there's gonna be no punishment for it. And I 159 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: think eventually that's gonna be overturned as well. He's going 160 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: to emerge on scaths from all of this, yes. 161 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: Which is which is incredible. 162 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: Uh And and it also goes to I think the 163 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: desperation that the Democrats feel right now, because what happens 164 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: when you've thrown everything in the kitchen sink and the 165 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: other guy just grins and keeps coming. That's exactly what 166 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: Trump did. They did everything they could abuse the system 167 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: in ways we have never seen before as a country, 168 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: and Trumps president more popular than he's ever been. His 169 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: base is more behind him than they've ever been. If 170 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: that's even possible, and what have they got Davin Newsom 171 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: trying to create cool guy memes of himself and posting 172 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: them online. 173 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: It's one of the most remarkable things I've ever seen. 174 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: I mean, whatever you think of Trump, I don't know 175 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: that we have ever seen someone take this degree of 176 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 3: attack and just keep moving forward and ultimately vanquish everybody 177 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 3: who tried to fight against him. I mean, at this point, 178 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: you're going to like this pop culture reference. It feels 179 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: like Trump is Neo and the Matrix buck. It feels 180 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 3: like he has just learned how to move at a 181 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: different speed and how to handle attack for those of 182 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 3: you who have seen the movie, in a way that 183 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: is unprecedented, and where he can basically turn on his 184 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: foes and just utterly vanquish them and look I do. 185 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 3: The one thing I will say is I really admire 186 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: Trump because there were so many cowards who refuse to 187 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: stand up for Trump that now are showing up and 188 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 3: kissing the ring. He's been the cover for a lot 189 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 3: of companies out there that knew that their woke employees 190 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 3: were engaging in ridiculous insubordination that undercut the very fabric 191 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: of the company's culture itself, and he is making so 192 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: much of American society better because they're using him as 193 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: the cover and saying, well, you know, Trump won, we 194 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 3: have to do this. They're doing what they know to 195 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: be right because Trump has given them the cover to 196 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 3: do it. And I just think the Trump story for 197 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: decades to come is actually going to get more impressive 198 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 3: because so many people out there are caught up in 199 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: the political moment day to day and they've just decided 200 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: they hate Trump. And as that fades, I think Trump 201 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 3: is going to become an even more iconic figure than 202 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 3: he is as we speak about him on this day. 203 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: This is a man who, at no point during the 204 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: effort to destroy him, destroy his his legacy, his reputation, 205 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: take away his freedom, tried to bankrupt him. I mean 206 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: it's five hundred million, I think, plus some one hundred 207 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: million in interest. Now Trump has a lot of money, 208 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: but that hurts anybody cash, Okay, I've even when was 209 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: the last time you heard him a fine for an 210 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: individual that big? I might add, I mean, how much 211 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: money could he have possibly made? It's a sofferential have 212 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: been with these loans, if they had even been There's 213 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: no way it would bonkers buck. I mean, they went 214 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: back in time to the date of the initial loan 215 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: and decided to create their own loan amount, sorry loan rate, 216 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: and then charge him interest on that. For I mean, 217 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: it's one of the most hair brained legal schemes I've 218 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: ever seen. And again it is Trump derangement syndrome inside 219 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: of a courtroom. And I honestly think Letitia James should 220 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: be disbarred over some of the legal arguments. 221 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: That she has made. 222 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: And if somebody, if she as has been alleged, was 223 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: involved in mortgage actual clear mortgage bought herself, she should 224 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: spend some time in a prison. That should actually happen 225 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: because she sent other people to prison for that while 226 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: she was ag no problem with that. Why shouldn't she 227 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: go She would send any of you if you checked, 228 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: you know it's my primary residence, then it's not and 229 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: you got a better rate, and she would she would 230 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: send you to prison. But she doesn't go to prison. 231 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: But just one more note on Trump Clay. During this 232 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: whole process, never once did you see this guy. And 233 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: he's in the public all the time. He's showing up 234 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: for the mug shot and he got shot as we 235 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: know in Butler, Pennsylvania. Never once did you see this 236 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: guy despair. Never once did you see him claim that 237 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: he's he's unable to handle all the forces arraid against him. 238 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a real there's a real lesson in that. 239 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is a force of nature. A 240 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: lot of what was thrown against him would have been 241 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: enough to break even some considerable formidable people out there, 242 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: and they just he just kept coming, He just kept coming. 243 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: There's a life lesson in that, you know, never give up. 244 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: All right. We spent time yesterday in the program discussing 245 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: DC crime. As you know, and I know not that 246 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: many you live in d C. But wherever you are, 247 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: you need to be prepared. There are home invasions that 248 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: can happen even in very safe jurisdictions. You just want 249 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: to make sure that you have the tools you need 250 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: in your home to protect yourself and your family. This 251 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: is why we're such big in saber products. 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Oh, there's 270 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: so many different stories out there. We're gonna have to 271 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 3: dive into this cracker barrel story in a bit, but 272 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 3: I do think the Trump legal victories. We're gonna have 273 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 3: some audio from Letitia James here. Shortly, I did some 274 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 3: reading on the potential mortgage fraud that could be brought 275 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: against her, and I think it's possible they are gonna 276 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 3: be charges broad because she clearly lied on the on 277 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 3: the mortgage applications. 278 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: And I think. 279 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: Typically you don't allow lawyers to claim, oh, I just 280 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: I clicked the wrong box. As you know, you are 281 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 3: a lawyer, maybe you should avoid, you know, clicking the 282 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: so called wrong box. But I do wonder, as we're 283 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 3: all talking to you today, at some point in time, 284 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: if you had bought into Trump derangement syndrome, wouldn't you 285 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: have to sit back and think, boy, I've really been 286 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: lied to a lot. I mean, as Trump continues to 287 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: stack victories, he wins the popular vote, he moves in 288 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 3: votes in his direction in all fifty states, even in 289 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 3: New York. 290 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: The Appeals Court, even in New. 291 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: York, is like, this is a crazy town theory that 292 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 3: Tis James tried to bring the age of New York. 293 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 3: We're tossing the whole thing out. All of it is 294 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: going up in smoke. Who were they angry at? I mean, 295 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: I try to put myself in the head of the 296 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 3: childless cat lady out there that has been for a 297 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: decade now convinced that Trump is Hitler, and that he's 298 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 3: a unique threat to America and all these things. Wouldn't 299 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: you have to get angry at some point at someone 300 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 3: other than Trump and the people who have lied to 301 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: you and told you all of these things that are 302 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: clearly not I mean, I just I can't understand how 303 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 3: your brain could be. So at some point, wouldn't you 304 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: have to rationally say, Man, they've really played me for 305 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: a rube. They they they've made fun of me like 306 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 3: they I. 307 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: Don't, I just don't. I don't get it, Clay. 308 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: It's just it's a it's self fulfilling, it's the self 309 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: licking ice cream cone. They just go deeper into a 310 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: cocoon of despair. That's the that once you're on this 311 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: trajectory of Trump is worse than Hitler, and everything he 312 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: does is horrible, and any moment now, the country's gonna 313 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: fall apart. It's it's a catastrophism cycle in the brain. 314 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: These people, they don't they won't escape it. For the 315 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: most part, I think they're gonna stay. 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Code Clay to get hooked up today. 342 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. 343 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: A lot of news breaking, a lot of things happening, 344 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: So thanks, thanks for joining us here live and in 345 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: real time as we are making sense of it all 346 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: for you. Just dropping. Let me see when did this happen? Yeah, 347 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: right when we started the show today, right as we 348 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: came on air, Almost like he teed it up for 349 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck. Donald Trump on truth social in regards 350 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: to the massive court victory, as Clay just pointed out 351 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: to me in the commercial break, five oh by the 352 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: Appellate Court in New York, all the judges saying this 353 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: entire let me just be clear, five oh against Trump 354 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: in New York. Those are judges they've been you know, 355 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: these are judges in a very blue state. 356 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 2: These are judges. 357 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: Who I'm sure I haven't looked at who appointed them, 358 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: but some Obama appointees. 359 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: Probably there some Biden appointees or he had. 360 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: Let me point out this too, by the way, we 361 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 3: haven't had the time to read. There are three different 362 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 3: opinions among the five judges. So the whole thing is 363 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 3: just a clust I'm trying to avoid cursing. Yes, it's 364 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 3: a cluster, but it is to your point. Yes, I 365 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 3: mean a New York Court of Appeals siding with Trump 366 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 3: is I think they held this for a long time. 367 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 3: They didn't want to release it before the election. I 368 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 3: mean this, this timing is no coincidence. So Trump has 369 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 3: weighed in on truth social and it is a doozy. 370 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 3: This is a big truth, not a little truth. 371 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: Very large. Here we go. I'm gonna read some of 372 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 2: this to you. 373 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: Total victory, all caps in the fake New York State 374 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: Attorney General Letitia James case. I greatly respect the fact 375 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: that the court had the courage to throw out this 376 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: unlawful and disgraceful decision that was hurting business all throughout 377 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: New York State. 378 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 2: Others were afraid to do business there. 379 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: The amount, including interest in penalties, was over five hundred 380 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars. It was a political witch hunt 381 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,239 Speaker 1: in a business sense, the likes of which no one 382 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: has ever seen before. Case of election interferenced by the 383 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: city and state trying to show illegal that I did 384 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: things that were wrong when in fact, everything I did 385 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: was absolutely correct and even perfect. Every single dollar was 386 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: thrown out, even the penalties imposed on us by the 387 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: corrupt judge, one of the most overturned in history, Arthur 388 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: and Germ. I wasn't given a jury, and during the 389 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: course of the trial, which lasted a long time, was 390 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: not given one ruling in my favor by this political hack. 391 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: But worse than him, if possible, was Letitia James, a 392 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: corrupt and incompetent Attorney general who only brought this case 393 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: in order to hurt me politically. She is a Trump 394 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: deranged lunatic. They made me bomb. The outrageous sum which 395 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: never happened before, cost me millions of dollars a month. 396 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: It should have never been allowed to happen. Everyone knew it. Importantly, 397 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: the vote was five to zero. I'm so honored by 398 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: Justice David Friedman's great words of wisdom, which should be 399 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: read by everyone. I would also like to thank the 400 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: court for having the courage to make this decision, etc. 401 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean to Clay, he talks about how these being 402 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: keeps going Trump post I got less than halfway through it. Everybody, 403 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean it. I'll just say this. He is laying 404 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: Haymakers on this whole thing. Uh, and it is. 405 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: Uh. Now, look it's it's a huge win for Trump. 406 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: There's no question. 407 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: It's a six hundred I think it's right, five hundred 408 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: million plus one hundred million basically in the everything together. 409 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: So call it a six hundred million dollar give or take, 410 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: no matter who you are, six hundred million dollars a 411 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: lot of money. Six hundred million dollars you were gonna 412 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: pay for what? Dude, who is this even being paid to? 413 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: You're gonna pay the State of New York because a 414 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: bunch of banks with you know, hundreds of billions on 415 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: the asset on the balance sheets or whatever. Said Trump's 416 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: a great guy to do business with. We would do 417 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: it again. This was one of I think you could 418 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: actually argue this was the craziest case because I know 419 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: people say, oh, eg and Carol, you know they talk 420 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: about it. Well, you know, anyone can accuse someone of 421 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: something from thirty years ago. This is why we actually 422 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: have a statute of limitations. 423 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: That let me point out, on the Egen Carroll they 424 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 3: changed the statute of limitations to allow Trump to be 425 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: sued on this. 426 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: The statute of limitations is a very im important. I 427 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: know sometimes people say, oh, but you know it feels no, 428 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: it's very important, okay, because it's unfair to a defendant. 429 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: And there are you know, there are places like murder 430 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: and other you know, extreme sex crimes and treason and 431 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: things like that. There are no statute limitations statutes, but 432 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: in general, if someone can accuse you of something from 433 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: twenty years ago or thirty years ago, a like, defending 434 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: yourself against this is very challenging, right, This is a 435 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: very hard thing to do because you know, for a 436 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: whole range of reasons, and also memories fade and the 437 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: evidence that's presented. 438 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: My point is, even with all that, I. 439 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: Think that the I think the Letitia James case against 440 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: Trump was the most egregious abuse of the law in 441 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: a legal sense. I know it wasn't criminal, but I 442 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: think it were right you co signed this one. I 443 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: think it was the most You have got to be 444 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: bleeping kidding me. I cannot leave they are doing this. Well, yeah, 445 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: here's the way I would analyze it. I don't agree 446 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: with e. G. 447 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 3: And Carroll's lawsuit, but what she alleged, if it were true, 448 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 3: is a crime. The other two New York and remember 449 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 3: it was a civil case, but at least her allegations 450 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 3: would if they occurred, merit significant legal attention. There's no 451 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 3: victim in when you borrow money from a bank. First 452 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: of all, you're arguing that the bank is a victim. 453 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 3: Here the bank said they were not a victim and 454 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 3: they were paid back in full. And to your point, Buck, 455 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 3: does anybody who's ever taken out a loan from a 456 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 3: bank feel like the bank isn't adequately represented? 457 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: So so, can we talk about this for a second, actually, 458 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: because I do. I think that the mortgage fraud thing 459 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: and it's a very severe statute. That is, you know, 460 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: this is just the power and balance of banks versus 461 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: individuals going to prison for ten years because you could 462 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: have gotten a different interest, right if you checked a 463 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: few different boxes. I know it's I think it's I 464 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: think this is actually a statute totally apart from Trump. 465 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 2: And just James. 466 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty severe one unless it's a 467 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 1: systemic someone's doing this over and over again. Clearly there 468 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: are people who for pretty minor stuff they go they'll 469 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: serve the I think the average mortgage fraud sentence is 470 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: like two years in federal prison or something. I mean 471 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: you take you know, people get sent away for this. Yeah, 472 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: that's at least criminal. 473 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 2: This is civil. 474 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 3: So they didn't even attempt to charge him with a 475 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 3: criminal offense. They just said, you got a loan you 476 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 3: shouldn't have gotten in the opinion of the State of 477 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 3: New York, and we are as a result, going to 478 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 3: give the rate in our opinion that you should have paid. 479 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 3: And the difference between the rate that you should have 480 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: paid in the rate that you got is going to 481 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 3: be a fine to come back to the stadium. 482 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: Also suggestion. 483 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: This is also to suggest that Tis James and her 484 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: team are better in retrospect assessors of real estate value, 485 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: not only than Donald Trump, but the banks who have 486 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: their own independence, Uh not inspection. What do you call 487 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: when someone comes Is it the assessor or no, it's the. 488 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 3: More mortgage evaluator value the guy who valued whatever you 489 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 3: term for it. 490 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: But uh yeah, my point the mortgage appraiser, the praiser. 491 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,239 Speaker 1: That's the word. I'm gonna thank you appraiser. This is 492 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: this is absurd, right, I mean, these are people looked 493 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: at this said this is a great deal. It would 494 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: be like if Clay, if if you and I were 495 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: sitting there and we were we were buying a car 496 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: from from uh from Tiss James, and we said this 497 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: is the price and she said that's a great price. 498 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: And we paid that price and she says, great, I 499 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: got a good price on my car. You guys got 500 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: a car you like, everyone's happy. And then later she's like, 501 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna prosecute you guys. You paid 502 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: way too little for that car. It's like you you 503 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: agreed to the price of the car, like everyone was happy. 504 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: I don't understand it is it's. 505 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 3: Even crazier than that buck, because it's not even about 506 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 3: the deal. It's about Trump's politics, because they would have 507 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 3: never ever looked at this if he hadn't got involved 508 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 3: in politics. 509 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: So it was all it's all, it's all pretextual. But 510 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: the fact that this was even broad is madess. But 511 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: you know, when you bring up the kribble versus seminal kribble, sorry, 512 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: criminal versus civil separation, remember it's a it's a fit 513 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: for everybody. It's a fifty fifty one percent standard, which 514 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: is so so hugely different the e. G. And Carrol thing. 515 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: The standard the jury has is do you think it's 516 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: like a fifty better than fifty to fifty shot. This 517 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: lady's telling the truth on again on the sexual assault part, 518 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: not actually on on rape. I think there was a 519 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: distinction that was made in that in that case about it, right, 520 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: So essentially do you think it Do you think Trump 521 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: might have grabbed or groped this woman? 522 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 4: Oh? 523 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: You know, that's different than did he actually forcibly penetrate 524 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: this woman, which I believe that was not. But he 525 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: was found right and that's where he went after Stephanopolis. 526 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: That wasn't even in the civil trial found to be 527 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: that they found that him did not he did not 528 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: do him this civile trial. Yeah, but but do you 529 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: think that maybe he groped this lady in and the 530 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: standard in a criminal trial it would be, guys, are 531 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: you absolutely I mean the real standard beyond a reasonable 532 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: that are you absolutely sure that Donald Trump grabbed this 533 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: woman thirty years ago and should possibly lose his freedom? 534 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: That's criminal civil it's hey, do you think he was 535 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: you know, grabbing this lady? 536 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 2: We don't know, but like better than fifty to fifty, 537 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 2: huge difference. 538 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why when they change the rules and 539 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: they use these civil things, they're just hoping to get 540 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: a jury that doesn't like Trump, that goes, yeah, whatever, 541 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: screw him. 542 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 543 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: They were trying to bankrupt him, they were trying to 544 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 3: imprison him for life, they were trying to end his 545 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 3: political future. And now the shoe is on the other foot. 546 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 3: As Trump has said, in the first term, he was 547 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 3: the hunted. Now he's the hunter. And I do think 548 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 3: it's important to play back. Here is Letitia James bragging 549 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three, I'm going to come back to 550 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: all of you soon with a check for two hundred 551 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 3: and fifty million dollars. Remember they also tried to ban 552 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 3: him from doing business ever again in New York, and 553 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 3: my recollection is the Trump sons. The Trump sons were 554 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 3: banned from doing business in New York over this. I mean, 555 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 3: this was effectively an attempt to force Trump out of 556 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 3: New York. And honestly, when this all happened, I remember 557 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 3: we talked about it a lot on the show, but 558 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 3: I said, this is why I'm never leaving Tennessee. This 559 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 3: is I'm very comfortable living in my red state at Tennessee. 560 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 3: People that I'm not saying I'm going to be perfect, 561 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 3: but I don't have to worry about getting attacked like this. 562 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: This has cut twenty seven Letitia James bragging about taking 563 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 3: Trump's money. 564 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 5: Listen, I will be honored when I walk into that 565 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 5: courtroom on October tewod. 566 00:29:59,080 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 2: Well. 567 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 5: My role is civil, and I will come back before 568 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 5: you soon with a check for two hundred and fifty 569 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 5: dollars and to let you know that he is no 570 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 5: longer allowed to do business in the state of New York. Yeah, 571 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 5: we got a We've got a special charge to show 572 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 5: up and stand up for one another. 573 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 3: She's in trouble. She's in real trouble. If she weren't 574 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 3: in New York, she already would have lost her job. 575 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: And I know there's an investigation into her. 576 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 2: Uh. 577 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 3: But with this New York Appeals Court decision, I think 578 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 3: she's in trouble. I haven't forgotten about Alvin Bragg. I 579 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 3: know Trump has not either. 580 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: Uh. 581 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 3: I know his DJ is investigating both of these individuals. Again, 582 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: I think the felonies are going to be tossed of 583 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 3: an on appeal in New York. I think the timing 584 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 3: on this is not coincidental. They held this for a year. 585 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken to wait till after the election 586 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 3: to release this opinion. And I again, this is total 587 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 3: vindication for Trump, but I think he wants to take 588 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 3: the next step and send a message that total vindication for. 589 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 2: Him is not. 590 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 3: I mean, he still had to spend millions of dollars 591 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 3: in legal fees. He still had to tie up hundreds 592 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 3: of millions of dollars. I think he had to get 593 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 3: a bond of one hundred and fifty million dollars or 594 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 3: something to even appeal this. I understand why he wants 595 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 3: there to be consequences for Letitia James and why he 596 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 3: wants there to be consequences for Alvin Bragg. One more cutbuck. 597 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: This was Leticia James before all this happened, going on 598 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 3: the view and saying I'm gonna get Trump. Remember this 599 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 3: is unprecedented. Cut twenty eight. 600 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: You also intend to prosecute him after he is out 601 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: of office? 602 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 2: Correct? 603 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 6: Our investigation currently is civil in nature, It is not criminal. Yes, 604 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 6: our civil suit will continue whether he's president or not. 605 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 6: And so after January twenty ath at twelve o'clock, our 606 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 6: investigation will continue. Joy, he cannot pardon himself. What he 607 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 6: could do is step down and allow the vice president. 608 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 6: Vice president Pence to pardon him. Now, it's important to 609 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 6: understand he has partnered from federal crimes, but he has 610 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 6: not partnered from state crimes. Last year, I introduced a 611 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 6: bill in the state legislature which would close the pardon 612 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 6: loophole so that individuals such as the president of the 613 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 6: United States would not evade justice. It's important that we 614 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 6: have this check on presidential powers. 615 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 3: What there's so many things I would like to call 616 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 3: her that it would not be allowed on FCC broadcast. 617 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: But has she ever commented on Joe Biden's pardons. 618 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 2: No, she's a horrible person just based on her actions. 619 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 2: I mean what she did. 620 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: Trump is a father, he's a grandfather, he's an American, 621 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: he's a patriot. And the glee she has trying to 622 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: he's a president and former president, current president h the 623 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: glee that she takes, and the and the sense of 624 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: pride she has and trying to destroy somebody over what 625 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: all this all this flowery language he's using about you know, 626 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: no one's above the law, and everything goes I'm sorry, 627 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: what's the law. 628 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 2: That he broke? 629 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: Well, what's what's the bad thing that he did that 630 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: we need to punish the law that he broke as 631 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: being Trump and taking the fight to the left and 632 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: making Democrats sad at election time. 633 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 2: That's the law that he. 634 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 3: Broke, and honestly having the misfortune to have done it 635 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 3: all while having many of his businesses registered in New York, 636 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 3: which I think the ultimate consequence of all of this 637 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 3: is a lot of people said, I'm not willing to 638 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 3: have my businesses based on in New York, where I 639 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 3: can be prosecuted if my politics don't end up aligning 640 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: with whoever is in power there. I think Elon Musk 641 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 3: saw this. I think it's why he's moved so much 642 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 3: of his assets to Texas. It's why I'm never in Tennessee. 643 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 3: Imagine it's one reason you're happy to be in Florida. 644 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 3: But I think a lot of people out there with 645 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 3: New York assets have made that decision. Look, I told 646 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 3: you about my trip to Legacy Box headquarters Chattanooga, Tennessee, 647 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 3: my mom's hometown. What a cool experience it was. It 648 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 3: was like being in a time capsule because they can 649 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 3: take all of your media eight millimeter films, VHS tapes, 650 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 3: old photographs, and they can digitize them and they have 651 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 3: different parts of their huge facility there in Chattanooga where 652 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 3: they are digitizing so many of these different so many 653 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 3: of these different products. In fact, I was talking with Adam, 654 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 3: one of the co founders there, and he said, look, 655 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 3: we basically are on eBay buying vhs, VCR VCRs all 656 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 3: the time. And he said, we got techs who can 657 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 3: put these things back working together because they're not making 658 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 3: more VCRs and we want to make sure that we 659 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 3: can preserve your family's memories. 660 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 2: They do incredible work. 661 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 3: Right now before the holidays start, you can get fifty 662 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 3: p off your order. 663 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 2: You get the originals back. It's very easy to use. 664 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 3: Go to legacybox dot com slash Clay fifty percent off 665 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,439 Speaker 3: your order. That's the legacybox dot com slash Clay one 666 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 3: more time, Legacy box dot com slash Clay. 667 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 7: Sometimes all you can do is laugh, and they do 668 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 7: a lot of it with the Sunday Hang Join Clay 669 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 7: and Buck as they laugh it up in the Clay 670 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 7: and Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever 671 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 7: you get your podcasts. 672 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 3: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. You know, 673 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 3: you know if you listen to this show regularly, that 674 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 3: we're just not the kind of people who want to 675 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 3: throw anybody under a bus, just don't want to draw 676 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 3: attention to the staff when they screw up. It's just 677 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 3: not really kind of thing that we do on this program. 678 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 3: But yesterday producer Greg had us in the show with 679 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 3: a suicide hotline call, Ish, shall we play this at 680 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 3: the top of the next hour. I think maybe we do. 681 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 3: Maybe we let his punishment hang through the break. We're 682 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 3: at all in a great mood. Everybody across America was 683 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 3: high fiving. There was just a rainbow dropping, you know, 684 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 3: pot of gold. Everybody was in such a good mood. 685 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 3: And Producer Greg said, go to this. It's a great 686 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 3: way to finish the show. And it was all about 687 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 3: like suicide hotline calls and stuff. And I finished, and 688 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 3: I just, I mean, it was a dour moment, dark 689 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 3: cloud on a sunshiny day. 690 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: Can you also tell us about something, Clay, you have 691 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 1: more expertise than this in me because I have never 692 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: been to one. The outcry over the cracker barrel, Yes, 693 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm to dive into this. I'm gonna crave 694 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: barrel has been changed. There's no barrel anymore, and there's 695 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: no Cracker. We will talk about it whenn't we come back. 696 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: Lots to get to Clay and Buck. 697 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 2: Come hang with us.