1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Campsite Media. 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: So now that we've heard from Jennifer Jimenez, let's get 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 2: back into our story. Jennifer was traumatized by modeling by 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: getting to the top, and Paul, well, Paul was set 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 2: on getting to the top, but he was still in 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: the throes of dealing with his horrible relationship with his dad, 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: who he says was violent to him at times when 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: he was growing up. 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 3: We haven't talked much about that, but Paul's. 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: Tendency to be a brawler seems like it was directly 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: connected to his dad's negative attitude. Here's Paul's mom, Monica. 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 4: He had a very very bad temper and Paul would 13 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 4: stand up to him and it just made it worse. 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 4: They would just yell and scream and eventually Paul would 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 4: shut up and just burn inside and mel would just 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 4: carry on like her Luna particular, the Navis could hear. 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:03,639 Speaker 5: Just horrible. 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: So Paul's a fighter, but he can cross the line, 19 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: like when he was a macho idiot getting fired from 20 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: East West for punching someone in the face and nightclub, 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: I mean remember that. 22 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 3: And on the flip side of. 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: That, you also heard Jennifer express her appreciation for Paul's 24 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: protective attitude. She felt like she needed someone like that 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: in her corner. 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 6: To create somebody into a star, you actually have to 27 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 6: love them. My girlfriends would come into me as I 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 6: was sleeping, and I would actually wear I would take 29 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 6: polaroids of my models and I would tape them to 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 6: my forehead. And my girlfriends would come in and they'd go, 31 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 6: why do you have the picture of that girl taped 32 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 6: to your forehead? I said, because I have to see it. 33 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 6: I have to visually see them walking down the runway 34 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 6: for Valentino. I just visually see them working for ARMANI 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 6: actually have to visually see them doing Victoria's secrets. I 36 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 6: have to. If I put it into my brain and 37 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 6: I actually see it, I can actually materialize it manifested. 38 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: But then one day out of the blue, Paul gets 39 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: a phone call from Jennifer's mom. 40 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 6: Jennifer and I just had a wonderful, wonderful meeting with 41 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 6: mister John Casablancas. 42 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: Sorry, Paul, So she walks out. 43 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 6: I'm crying my eyes on it, and I'm an emotional, 44 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 6: passionate guy. I cry a lot. 45 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: Paul now has zero models and is effectively unemployed, but 46 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: he manages to make another phone call during this period 47 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: of morning to John Casablancas himself. 48 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 6: I said, so, mister Casablancis, I love this child. Take 49 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 6: her from me. I'll take five of yours, and I 50 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 6: won't take little kids. I'll take five fucking stars. 51 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: Soon Paul would make good on his threat. He would 52 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: actually get those five models and more. And while Paul 53 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: declaring a model war against Casablancas and the elite agency 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: all by himself, it seems a little silly, you should 55 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: still remember that this guy who is fond of calling 56 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: others freaking maniacs is for sure the biggest freaking maniac 57 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: of all. From iHeart Podcasts and Campside Media. But I'm 58 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: Vanessa Grigoriatis and this is Model Dworks, Episode seven. So 59 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: Paul could be a character in a country song that 60 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: only Larry Lynde could write. His only model has left him. 61 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: His best friend, Omar has kicked him to the curb. 62 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: He's not come with him to this new agency. It's 63 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: a sad, sad song. But then Paul's luck starts to 64 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: turn around. Omar decides to leave the men's division he's 65 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: building at East West and instead do the same thing 66 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: for it models. 67 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 7: Paul's new We had one telephone, no call waiting, and 68 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 7: within six months we were crushing it. 69 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 8: It was like a tornado came to La. 70 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: Omar's not exaggerating. 71 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 5: We were married, you know, and we were married. 72 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 8: I was like a marriage, him and I. 73 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 3: It's an unorthodox marriage. 74 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 8: I don't know how many nights Pauline would wake me 75 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 8: up at two in the morning, three New Morning show 76 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 8: me a polaroid was slight like this fucking place too. 77 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 5: I mean, he was so intense. 78 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: It's true. 79 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: Paul is nothing if not intense, and after Jennifer Jimenez 80 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: left the agency, he was even more determined to find 81 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: his next big star. He just didn't think that she 82 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: might come looking for him. But one day, out of 83 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: the blue, Paul says, he gets a message that says, Hi. 84 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 6: I've never really gotten any jobs or anything, but I 85 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 6: know I could be a supermodel. And I heard you 86 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,119 Speaker 6: take girls in LA and put them on the covers 87 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 6: of New York magazines. I'm like, yeah, thank you very much, 88 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 6: have a nice day. 89 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: This model and Paul have different recollections of what happened 90 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: from here, but according to Paul, she decides to stop 91 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: in and meet him. 92 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 3: Anyway, I get a knock on my door. 93 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 6: I opened the door. Yeah, gotta be fucking kidding me. Ohly, shit, 94 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 6: who are you? Come on in here? Come into my 95 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 6: studio apartment. Stand up against that wall. I took three 96 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 6: polaroids over. I said, now go home. I'll call you 97 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 6: in a couple of hours. I sent those polaroids to 98 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,119 Speaker 6: Preston Westenberg, the editor of Vogue. I sent those same 99 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 6: polaroids to Paul Marciano at Guests, and then I would 100 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 6: sit there and I stared at my phone, and then 101 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 6: I got a phone call from Preston Westenberg and she 102 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 6: said this to me, Hey, Paul, how you doing. You 103 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 6: know you have a star? What? Oh yeah, We're going 104 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 6: to make her into the biggest star in the world. 105 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 5: Paul. 106 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 6: Okay. Then the phone rings again two minutes later, Hey, Paul, 107 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 6: this is Paul Marciano. We have a big shooting coming 108 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 6: up with Guests with a very wonderful photographer. Her name 109 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 6: is Ellen von Unworth. And it's five days, a couple 110 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 6: thousand dollars day. Doesn't pay a lot, but she'll be 111 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 6: the new face of Guests. I'm in, I'm in. Overnight 112 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 6: she becomes the biggest freaking star in the world. She 113 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 6: starts doing Vogue, she starts doing Guests. 114 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: Now Paul is in possession of another supermodel, and supermodels are, 115 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: after all the coin of the realm. In the late 116 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: eighties and early nineties, I mean, modeling is just getting 117 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: hotter and hotter. The girls are going up and up. 118 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: It's almost like the crypto of its day. Even the 119 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: phrase supermodel has been around for a while, but now 120 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: you can't pick up a newspaper without reading it. Models 121 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: that were known for being hangers, like close hangers or 122 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: just for one specific look are now celebrities in their 123 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: own right, their status symbols and icons, and they get 124 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: interviewed themselves. People want to talk to them. They're allowed 125 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: to talk. 126 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 6: There was a time because of the concept of supply 127 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 6: and demand. Small supply of girls on the covers of 128 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 6: magazines creates a huge demand for those models. Small supply 129 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 6: of girls on the editorial pages of the magazines creates 130 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 6: a huge demand for those models. Out of the two 131 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 6: hundred and forty four pages of Vogue every single year, 132 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 6: there's only about eighteen girls that control those two hundred 133 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 6: and forty four pages. Those eighteen girls control everything. They 134 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 6: have all the power. I don't have the power. They 135 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 6: have more power than the photographers, they have more power 136 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 6: than the designers. I mean, there was a time, the 137 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 6: day of the supermodel, where whether it's Christy Turlington, Lindy Evangelista, 138 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 6: Kate Moss, Sidney Crawford, they controlled everything, They decided everything, everything, 139 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 6: you could say. 140 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: The supermodel craze came to its apex in nineteen ninety 141 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: with George Michael's music video for his song Freedom. In 142 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 2: this video, Naomi Campbell, Linda Evangelista, and some others are 143 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: trapesing around these gorgeously lit apartments and their lips syncing 144 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: to the song. This is pop culture's full throated endorsement 145 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: of the moment of the supermodel, and Paul is there 146 00:08:53,559 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: to catch the wave. So it's the early nineteen nineties 147 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: and supermodels rule the world, and little old Paul is 148 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: right there alongside them. 149 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 3: Here's a roundup of some of the. 150 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: Interviews of supermodels, and they are not all necessarily from 151 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: this exact moment, but I think they're sort of fun 152 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: to listen to. Let's start with Paulina Porsakova. 153 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 4: She's done very well for herself, having married rock star 154 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 4: rick O. 155 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 5: Kaseik of the Car. 156 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: Next up Linda Evangelista. But it's not just her good looks. 157 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 3: They keep her on top. 158 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 5: I will card I try and be professional. 159 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm never late, never missed a plane, never sick, never unhappy, 160 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: never hate the clothes. 161 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 5: That ways, I like them. 162 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 3: She's a professional. 163 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: Be gentle and the youngest supermodel, Tyra Banks, after. 164 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,239 Speaker 3: Her mother took her pictures to several agencies. 165 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 9: She was very active in my career and she comes 166 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 9: here out of the babysit, but just does moral support 167 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 9: because it gets kind of hard, you know, being new 168 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 9: and all these supermodels there and you don't really feel accepted, 169 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 9: and so she's there. You know, if they don't want 170 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 9: to talk to me, like fine, I'll go. 171 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 3: To my mommy. 172 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: In his career, as I said before, Paul did manage 173 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: to make good on the threat that he said he 174 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: gave to Casablancas he poached away stars from him and 175 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: from other agencies too. 176 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 6: Naomi came over, and Stephanie came over, Deephanie ceo which 177 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 6: he came over, and Gail Elliott came over, Carl Young 178 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 6: came over. Now my ego is bigger than Texas. I 179 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 6: think I'm God. Literally everyone is kissing my ass. I'm 180 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 6: in rooms with the richest men in the country, most 181 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 6: powerful people in the entertainment industry, kissing my ass. And 182 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 6: I would look at them all and say to them all, 183 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 6: you may have a billion dollars, but I ain't paying 184 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 6: for this restaurant meal. You people are somebody else's. Because 185 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 6: I walked in here with ten of the most beautiful 186 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 6: models in the world. You think you got power, I'm 187 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 6: fucking Paul Fisher. My ego is monstrous. I'm an animal 188 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 6: with a temper and a weekend fucking warrior and an 189 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 6: ego bigger than you could ever imagine. And Kara was 190 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 6: like the go to girl for some reason of all 191 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 6: the famous models at that time. Covers of American Vogue, 192 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 6: multiple covers of American Vogue, and you know, huge revelon 193 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 6: campaigns and things like that. Everybody loved Kara Young. She 194 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 6: was best friends with Linda and Cindy and Christy and Kate. 195 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: And we actually talked to Kara about her life in 196 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: this time. Kara Young is from San Francisco and she's biracial. 197 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: My father, when I started modeling, was very upset and said, 198 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: you know, I think for you to pursue a career 199 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: that people's opinions of your face and figure determine whether 200 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: you are financially successful. It's not something of yours, someone 201 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: of your intellects to do. 202 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 5: But I also didn't care what he thought. 203 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: I didn't care what my parents thought of moving away 204 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: or you know, pursuing modeling. It never I didn't ask 205 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: them like I would meet someone in Milan, they go, 206 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: what does your mom and dad think of? I go, 207 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: I don't didn't ask my mom and dad what they thought. 208 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: I don't care. And so I did end up going 209 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: to New York and I was represented by Paul Paul 210 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: represented myself Stephanie Carree. 211 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 5: Paula Barbieri. 212 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: Paula Barbieri was a big model back then. She had 213 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: curly brown hair and a rocking bod. She dated lots 214 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: of celebrities. I mean all the rock stars and actors 215 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: and sports stars wanted a model on their arms. But 216 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: she is most famous for dating OJ Simpson. And that 217 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: is because right before O. J. Simpson murdered Nicole, which 218 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: I think we can say now that that actually happened, 219 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: she broke up with them, which could be a motivation 220 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: in part for the murder. 221 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: And so it was I say her because she's relevant, 222 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: and she did. She gets a different rap, but she 223 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: did actually work quite a bit. 224 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: Paul catered to all of these women and he made 225 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: the other agencies furious. They could not believe that Paul 226 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: Fisher was starting to win this new model war. 227 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: Believe me, Johnny and Joey and Eileen were not happy 228 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: with Omar and Pollie at all. 229 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 5: They were not happy. 230 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: But he and Omar were fresh, they were new. The 231 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: supermodels liked them. 232 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: They were downtown and Pollie was just a different kind 233 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: of energy. He brought a different kind of vibe to 234 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: him and Omar were they were superstars themselves, you know, 235 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: they definitely were. And they conquered La and New York simultaneously, 236 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: which is, you know, was not an easy thing to do. 237 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: And sometimes people were represented by Paul, they wouldn't even 238 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: have a European agent, you know, they would just give 239 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: up their European agents that he would deal with that. 240 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: So when you met Paul, like, would you consider that 241 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: as the height of your career? 242 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 5: Yes? Absolutely absolutely, And where had you been before? So? 243 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 5: I was with. 244 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: I was with Wilhelmina, and then I was with Elite 245 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: and next and then Paulie. Because there was so much, 246 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: there was such a disturbance about it. I just decided 247 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: to go with Paulie because I had friends that were 248 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: very happy with him. 249 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: Part of why she switched to paul was a terrible 250 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: experience with a notorious French model agent. 251 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: I went to party at my agent, Jean Luke's house, 252 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: who hung himself in Athenegalese jail cell because he became 253 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: a Jeffrey Epstein guy. 254 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 5: And this is how I ended up going with Pauli 255 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 5: and leaving Jean Luke. 256 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: There's all these creepers there, and I was like twenty 257 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: years old. I remember I saw all these creepy guys there, and. 258 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 5: I and wrong. 259 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: I said, Joe Luke, I'm not here to fuck your friends. 260 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: And he said, oh, that's not what it's happening. Oh 261 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: my god, you're so defensive. And I said, really, that's 262 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: what it looks. 263 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 5: Like to me. 264 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: I said, don't offer me to anybody, because they'll be 265 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: sorely disappointed. Because I came to Paris, I was not 266 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: a virgin. I had already had a boyfriend, I'd already 267 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: had in my life. I'd already experienced, you know, sexual 268 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: harassment in the workplace. 269 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: But now that was all behind her. And in New York, 270 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: Kara is also part of the same social scene as Paul. 271 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: You know, everybody went out, everybody went to the same 272 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: places and just meandered around the city from one spot, 273 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: from MK to coffee shop to Bowerie bar. 274 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 5: Everybody just you know, moved around. 275 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: So Cafe to Back was the most famous place on 276 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: the planet, and it was a tiny hovel of a place. 277 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: And my husband now says, I met you. I met 278 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: you at Cafe to Back. You were playing pool with 279 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: Stephanie and Nailmi And I was like, really, because yes 280 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: I did, because. 281 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 5: You were wearing overall second, I was so all dressed up. 282 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 9: For the night. 283 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: That's Kara's new husband, but her husband at the time, 284 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: Sante Drazzio, is a huge photographer and the two of 285 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: them lived in a crazy soho loft that some people 286 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: dubbed Plato's retreat. You would go by and would be 287 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: Kate Moss or Julian Schnabel, everybody just drinking champagne, smoking cigarettes. 288 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 6: I was the famous agent. Sante was the most famous 289 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 6: photographer It was freaking amazing. And then you see Robert 290 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 6: de Naro over there because he's dating Naomi, or Mike 291 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 6: Tyson because he's dating Naomi, or you know, you just 292 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 6: see a heavyweight. You know, Bono was there. The shit 293 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 6: was like I mean, it was, it was intent. 294 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: He was a very dear friend of my ex Sante Derazzio. 295 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 5: They were really really close. Paul was a big part 296 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 5: of our relationship and. 297 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: He represented a lot of friends, and he was a 298 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: different kind of an agent. 299 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 5: You know, he was fun, he. 300 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: Was young and everybody was old school, like Johnny Costa Blanca. 301 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: Paully was someone that we actually hung out. I never 302 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: hung out with them. 303 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 5: Paul he changed everything like he did. He would do 304 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 5: a comp card. 305 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: He did a comp card of Stephanie Seymour and a 306 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: comp card of Caryotis. 307 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 5: He did comp Pard when he started representing Stephanie. That 308 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 5: just had her picture. 309 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: It didn't have her name, it didn't have anything else. 310 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 5: It just said it and then a tiny phone. 311 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: Number, like so you had to search that out to 312 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: find her and find him. But his point was he 313 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 1: never said this to me, but I guesstimated that he 314 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: was just saying this is it? 315 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 5: You know, this is it? 316 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: She's it, I'm it find us. 317 00:17:53,880 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: She finally Paul was really it, even lands one of 318 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 2: the biggest supermodels of all, Naomi Campbell. Paul isn't just 319 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: operating in the world of models anymore. He's operating in 320 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 2: the world of major celebrities. And mixing Paul Fisher and 321 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 2: celebrities is mixing two very volatile substances. So it's the 322 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: nineties and Paul is going out with his famous clients 323 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 2: a lot because he's Paul and that's how he relates 324 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 2: to people, but also because it's important for business. 325 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 10: We needed to bond with our models, and the way 326 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 10: you bonded with your models were like going to dinner, 327 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 10: going out this way, they felt close to their booker 328 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 10: and they weren't looking to jump to another agency. 329 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: He's booking clients at the highest level he was. 330 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 5: He always wanted more. 331 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: He wanted more for people than they wanted for, more 332 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: than they wanted for themselves. Like he wanted us all 333 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: to do films, and he wanted us all to. 334 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 5: Go hard, you know, and you know he had that. 335 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: He had a more aggressive nature for the women he 336 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: represented than possibly we had for ourselves. 337 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: Paul supported some of his models emotionally. He would fly 338 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 2: places to try to talk to them during difficult shoots. 339 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: I'm not that nady of a person emotionally or but 340 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: Poullie I had friends that were extremely fragile, and he 341 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: if a girl was having. 342 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 5: A meltdown, he would be like, I'm going to go 343 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 5: on this job with you. You know, I'm going to go 344 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:42,959 Speaker 5: to Malta with you. I'm going to go to Brazil 345 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 5: with you. I'm going to help you through this. I 346 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 5: didn't need that he'd always offered to me, and I 347 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 5: was like, I'm good. I'm not one of them. I'm good. 348 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: For Kara, she felt not only like she didn't need this, 349 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 2: but she just wanted to have a chill life. 350 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 5: I'm not aggressive, and I regret that. I mean I would. 351 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: I'd be like working with Naomi and she'd go, when 352 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: am I going to be a cover? 353 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 5: When am I going to get a cover? When am 354 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 5: I going to do this? 355 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: And I just didn't have that kind of I wasn't 356 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: assertive like that, and I admire that in people. 357 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 5: It's just not my nature. 358 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: When I was on the cover of Vogue the first 359 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: second third, you know, I was very very happy. It 360 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: changed my life. It changed my financial status for the 361 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: rest of my life. It changed my relevance as models, 362 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: So obviously I was really really happy about that. I 363 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: wasn't aggressive about getting. 364 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: There, though aggressive Paul could do. He could be the 365 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: aggressive one for his models. But things started to shift, 366 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: and as in any business that lives and dies off 367 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: of relationships and trends, some of his models, over the 368 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: course of time hit snacks, like Paula Barbieri wasn't getting 369 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: as much work anymore now that the whole OJ thing 370 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: was blowing up and he was on trial for murder. 371 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: She was in love with Dolph Lugren. She once went 372 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: out with Johnny Sablanca, Bob Evans. You know, she had 373 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: different relationships that were far more relevant. That's just the 374 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: one she's known for. And Paula was really pissed off. 375 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: She's like, why does Caraa work all the time? Why 376 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: can't I get jobs? 377 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 5: And Paul said, Carra's boyfriend did it killed two white people. 378 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: But models also started leaving Paul. 379 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: They moved on, they found new agencies, even Paul's good 380 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: friend Carrie Young. 381 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: There was a time that I I think I was. 382 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 5: Just ended up back with Elite. 383 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: You know, I was with when Donald had an agency 384 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: for a little bit. 385 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 3: I was there Donald Trump. 386 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: Yes, he had a modeling agency back then too, and 387 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: he and Carrie Young had started dating and they kept 388 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: dating for a couple of years. 389 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 3: So Kara had to break this news to Paul. 390 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 5: You know what, everything runs its course. 391 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: It could be a boyfriend or a relationship that ends 392 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: your relationship. 393 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 5: With someone that books you. 394 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily have to be because someone. 395 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 5: Did something wrong. It just it runs its course. 396 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: I just said, you know, well, I don't think that 397 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: we're working for each other anymore. 398 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 2: And Stephanie Seymour was out too. Paul says it happened 399 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 2: because he and Stephanie had something special. 400 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 6: She made a man feel like he was the only 401 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 6: man in the world. It was intoxicating, like you could 402 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 6: do anything. She made you feel like you could do anything, 403 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 6: and just. 404 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 5: The sweetest, sweetest human. 405 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 8: Oh my god, step was so sweet and unlookable. 406 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 3: Unlookable. What a great word. It's an omer special. 407 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 8: I created that word when I met Stephanie Seymour. 408 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 5: You can't even look at her. 409 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 7: She's so insultingly pretty that you're like whoa, oh, I 410 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 7: can't even look at you. 411 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: Paul says he and Stephanie had even moved in together 412 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 2: for a time after she was dating Axel. Rose and 413 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 2: Stephanie Seymour did not comment for this podcast. 414 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 6: We had to get all of Stephanie's belongings out of 415 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 6: Axel's freaking huge estate in la and so I had 416 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 6: my friend and a bunch of my other boys dress 417 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 6: up as movers and they and they moved all of Stephanie. 418 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 6: He thought they were a moving company. They were just dudes. 419 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 6: We dressed up as movers to move everything out of 420 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 6: that house. So one morning I get a phone call 421 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 6: from one of my boys that's living at my house 422 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 6: and he said, Fish, your jeep is an ashtray. What 423 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 6: oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, your jeep is an ashtray. 424 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 6: Somebody torched it in the middle of the fucking night. 425 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 6: Is it a coincidence? The two days before that, I 426 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 6: just moved out all of our shit out of Axel's house. 427 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 6: He's sitting up there in a spiral staircase smoking a 428 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 6: fucking Tipperillo, some long cigarette as he's freaking out as 429 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 6: my boys, dressed as movers are moving all of her 430 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 6: I thought Stephanie shit out of the house. And to 431 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 6: this day and I'll stand by it, showed me one 432 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 6: hit song to that cat. I mean the band got 433 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 6: the band left, you know, disseminated six months a year later. 434 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 6: The guy was a fucking mess. Why because she had 435 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 6: that power. 436 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: It's true that Guns and Roses fell off after the 437 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: Axel Stephanie breakup. 438 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: They even did a cover. 439 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 2: Album where Axel sang a classic breakup song. 440 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 4: Ya. 441 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: Stephanie went on to date Peter Brandt, but Paul says 442 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 2: something happened after Stephanie signed a big contract and FYI, 443 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: Neither Stephanie nor Peter Brandt responded to our requests for interviews. 444 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 6: Stephanie was at the time lived with Peter Brandt, who 445 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 6: owned Interview magazine. He's a he's a billion You're a rich, 446 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 6: rich motherfucker. So so Stephanie says Peter, and I want 447 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 6: to invite you for a signing party at Peter's office. 448 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 6: Please come over. So I go over there and there's 449 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 6: a boll of champagne there on the table. The contract 450 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 6: is sitting there. Peter looks at me and he goes, 451 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 6: I just want you to know that you're you're fired. 452 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 6: What Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we're terminating our relationship with you. 453 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 6: I said, first of all, I don't have a relationship 454 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 6: with you. He said, yeah yeah. My friend is now 455 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 6: running IMG and now I AMG at this time is 456 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 6: a piece of shit agency that no one took seriously. 457 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 6: I said, let me get this straight. That piece of 458 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 6: shit agency I'MG that has no stars. What oh yeah, 459 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 6: yeah yeah. But I want you to know something, Paul, 460 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 6: we really appreciate you. Oh shit, the fucking appreciation thing again. 461 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: It gets worse. 462 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: Remember the other big time supermodel Paul signed after Jennifer 463 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 2: Hermenez Well around this time, she also left Paul for 464 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 2: another agent, and Paul got it into his head that 465 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: it was all her boyfriend's fault, her a list movie 466 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 2: star boyfriend. And unfortunately, Paul knew just where to find him. 467 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 6: And I walked into a nightclub one night and there's 468 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 6: and his freaking goofball mooks, bodyguards and friends and motorcycle guys. 469 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 6: The guy just cost me millions of dollars. Millions of 470 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 6: fucking dollars. I'm not a rich man at this time. 471 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 6: I got a few pennies, but I'm not like you know, 472 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 6: I'm not like having like, I'm not a super super 473 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 6: rich guy or anything. You just took one of my stars, 474 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 6: my vast That kind of opened up the floodgates for me. 475 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 6: So me and have a little bit of an altercation. 476 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 6: We have a little conversation. It doesn't go so well. 477 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 6: And then one of his boys comes up to me 478 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 6: and he says something to me, and I said, come here, 479 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 6: let me just whisper something in your ear, and I 480 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 6: bend over and I knocked his ass out. 481 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: It was a hard punch and Paul ended up in 482 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: a lawsuit over it. 483 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 6: He took me to court, asked my mom about this. 484 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 6: I didn't have the cash at the time. My mom 485 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 6: had to put up one hundred grand I lost the 486 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 6: court case. So it stung. Because it's stung financially. It's 487 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 6: stung financially. I was gonna say a little bit, but 488 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 6: it's stung financially. 489 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 2: It probably stung on a personal level too. Paul's not 490 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: the kind of guy who likes to get left, but 491 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: he's even less prepared to rip the polaroid of a 492 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 2: girl off his forehead and finally see himself in the mirror. 493 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 6: I lost everything. I lost all my money, I lost 494 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 6: my home, I lost my buildings. 495 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: Paul shows a unshaved, a mess, tuxedo shirt open, no 496 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: bow tie, tuxedo jacking on. But the callers all rolled 497 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: up and it's all He's just like the coolest guy 498 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: in the world. 499 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 4: And it ended up making a million dollars a year 500 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 4: profit from mep astatamy. 501 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 6: Fuck you man, We're only making fifty thousand dollars today 502 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 6: and there's some other bitch making seventy five thousand dollars. 503 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 6: I said, you're fucking kidding me. 504 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 3: That's all next on Model Wars. 505 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 11: Model Wars was a production of iHeart Podcasts and Campside Media. 506 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 11: Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 507 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 11: get your podcasts. Model Wars was executive produced and hosted 508 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 11: by Vanessa Gregoriotis. Our senior writer was Michael Kenyon Meyer. 509 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: Julia K. 510 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 11: S Levine was our producer and reporter. 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