WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 12/5: 3 Up/Down vs. Colts, Current State of the Patriots, Early Draft Deep Dive 0:00:30.658 --> 0:00:34.697 Patriots Unfiltered the world's original podcast. Patriots Unfiltered brings you 0:00:34.698 --> 0:00:38.858 inside Jillette Stadium for rousing conversations on everything New England, Patriots, 0:00:38.857 --> 0:00:42.698 and NFL. Join host Fred Kersh alongside Patriots dot COM's 0:00:42.698 --> 0:00:46.138 Paul Parillo, Mike Desso, Evan Lazar, Tamara Brown, and Alex 0:00:46.178 --> 0:00:48.937 Francisco as they bring you in depth coverage of the team. 0:00:49.018 --> 0:00:51.098 He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's 0:00:51.138 --> 0:00:53.978 really that's his rookie season essentially too. So now we're 0:00:54.018 --> 0:00:56.018 really not talking about them, really knowing. 0:00:57.818 --> 0:01:04.738 Search for Patriots Unfiltered anywhere you get your podcasts. This 0:01:04.858 --> 0:01:08.178 is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar 0:01:08.298 --> 0:01:09.538 and Alex Barth. 0:01:11.098 --> 0:01:13.818 And Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it. He joined as always 0:01:13.858 --> 0:01:16.857 by our Bark. 0:01:18.658 --> 0:01:22.097 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars Let's flip over 0:01:22.138 --> 0:01:22.618 to the demons. 0:01:22.618 --> 0:01:24.218 Do you have ups and downs? You told me you 0:01:24.258 --> 0:01:24.738 did do that? 0:01:24.777 --> 0:01:26.018 Why you usually do them on Tuesday? 0:01:26.057 --> 0:01:28.938 And I just have I mean I can do one thought. Yeah, 0:01:29.098 --> 0:01:34.058 it's unprepared usual marines like God, one time? Could you 0:01:34.098 --> 0:01:39.178 prepare one time? Are you prepared today? No, you're not prepared. 0:01:39.218 --> 0:01:41.138 What do you mean. Yeah, yeah, it's Thursday, so that 0:01:41.178 --> 0:01:44.417 your your schedule isn't thrown off, so you're prepared today. Yes, 0:01:44.538 --> 0:01:47.217 there you go, all right, Evan Lazar, Alex bar Patriots 0:01:47.298 --> 0:01:49.898 Catch twenty two with you for the next couple of 0:01:49.898 --> 0:01:52.498 hours here on a bye week Thursday. But this is 0:01:52.538 --> 0:01:55.618 a big show for us. This is a big, big show. 0:01:56.258 --> 0:01:59.338 I have actually done some homework. I've actually watched a 0:01:59.418 --> 0:02:02.657 year prepared. I am so prepared to do this show. 0:02:02.978 --> 0:02:05.818 But before we get into the draft talk, I just 0:02:05.858 --> 0:02:07.298 want to put this one thing out there. With the 0:02:07.378 --> 0:02:10.018 draft talk, don't I'm gonna tell you the players that 0:02:10.058 --> 0:02:12.458 I watched, and don't ask me if I watched this 0:02:12.498 --> 0:02:14.618 guy or that I didn't. I didn't. I watched like 0:02:14.697 --> 0:02:16.817 seven guys. And that's the list we're going off of 0:02:16.817 --> 0:02:17.298 for right now. 0:02:17.338 --> 0:02:18.778 Good thing, the drafts only seven players. 0:02:19.058 --> 0:02:22.018 Okay, but don't I know you and you'll sit there 0:02:22.058 --> 0:02:25.178 and you'll say, yeah, but you gotta you gotta watchers too, 0:02:25.218 --> 0:02:28.298 and you gotta watch watch. Yeah, I wasted my time, 0:02:28.377 --> 0:02:30.818 Thank you for that away. Never wait, I could have 0:02:31.377 --> 0:02:33.218 done a little bit more homework on the top of 0:02:33.218 --> 0:02:36.218 the draft, but I didn't I'm watch honestly, the players 0:02:36.218 --> 0:02:37.018 are going to talk about. 0:02:37.498 --> 0:02:39.537 I think you're probably aware enough of burden that you 0:02:39.578 --> 0:02:40.618 didn't need to watch them. 0:02:40.898 --> 0:02:42.058 There's maybe one guy. 0:02:42.097 --> 0:02:43.498 I'll mention that you didn't watch. 0:02:43.978 --> 0:02:45.938 I just know I think there's only one guy, this guy. 0:02:46.018 --> 0:02:47.738 So don't don't ask me if I think there's only 0:02:47.778 --> 0:02:48.097 one guy. 0:02:48.138 --> 0:02:50.537 I'm telling you I will revisit. I think there's only 0:02:50.538 --> 0:02:51.218 gonna be one guy. 0:02:51.458 --> 0:02:53.498 Okay, all right, So we'll get to that in a 0:02:53.538 --> 0:02:55.618 little bit. I promise we'll get to the draft talk. 0:02:55.657 --> 0:02:58.298 I feel like people come to this show and they 0:02:58.377 --> 0:03:00.178 want to talk draft, and I'm all. 0:02:59.978 --> 0:03:01.978 The YouTube comments are right now are a draft draft draw. 0:03:02.218 --> 0:03:04.537 I've never I have not been prepared yet. I took 0:03:04.578 --> 0:03:07.018 the bye week to prepare for you all, and now 0:03:07.058 --> 0:03:08.858 I feel like I have my takes like for the 0:03:08.858 --> 0:03:12.458 next six months, like I'm good. I'm good until we 0:03:12.538 --> 0:03:16.778 start getting some more information, whether it's college football playoff combine, 0:03:16.898 --> 0:03:17.977 Senior Bowl, whatever. 0:03:18.138 --> 0:03:20.218 I do have a college football playoff take as it 0:03:20.258 --> 0:03:21.738 relates to the draft. I want to get in. 0:03:21.858 --> 0:03:24.258 So yesterday a little behind the curtain too, before we 0:03:24.298 --> 0:03:26.577 get into the current day Patriots, which I do want 0:03:26.578 --> 0:03:28.938 to talk about here for a little bit. So I 0:03:28.978 --> 0:03:31.818 got off a playbook with our friend John Rook, and 0:03:31.858 --> 0:03:35.498 I walked up to No Socks Matt Smith in the office, 0:03:35.578 --> 0:03:38.058 and what did we start talking about. We started talking 0:03:38.098 --> 0:03:41.178 about a trip to Mobile, Alabama for the Senior Bowl. 0:03:41.258 --> 0:03:46.058 So we're we're rolling, We're excited that it's not that well, 0:03:46.098 --> 0:03:48.218 That's why I went up to him because I wanted to, 0:03:48.738 --> 0:03:51.858 you know, start to put out some preliminary feelers of 0:03:51.898 --> 0:03:53.498 what we would like to do, what I would like 0:03:53.578 --> 0:03:55.538 to do, and all that kind of stuff. When it 0:03:55.578 --> 0:03:57.297 comes to the Senior Bowl and it's a little more 0:03:57.578 --> 0:03:58.738 freed around the corner. 0:03:58.578 --> 0:03:59.938 We have a little more freedom this year when it 0:03:59.938 --> 0:04:01.818 comes to the draft. Look, obviously, last year with the 0:04:01.858 --> 0:04:04.578 quarterbacks is very important and a ton of people tune 0:04:04.618 --> 0:04:07.658 in and I appreciate that and I appreciate that, but 0:04:08.418 --> 0:04:13.258 last year it almost felt limiting, and that because the 0:04:13.378 --> 0:04:16.217 quarterback is such a big position, we didn't maybe go 0:04:16.298 --> 0:04:19.498 as deep as we do other years or as widespread 0:04:19.538 --> 0:04:22.098 as we do other years. And this year it's almost 0:04:22.097 --> 0:04:25.537 the opposite, where it feels like every position is on 0:04:25.577 --> 0:04:27.498 the table. We have years it was like, okay, we're 0:04:27.538 --> 0:04:30.898 mainly doing wide receivers and tackles this year, wide receiver, tackle, corner. 0:04:31.138 --> 0:04:33.698 Feels like everything's on the table this year. So we 0:04:33.778 --> 0:04:36.058 go from what was a very narrow scope, and I 0:04:36.058 --> 0:04:37.698 think we did a good job with quarterbacks. I was 0:04:37.738 --> 0:04:40.298 actually going back and reading through some of my quarterback 0:04:40.337 --> 0:04:42.138 stuff the last couple of days, just kind of curious 0:04:42.138 --> 0:04:43.698 to revisit. I thought we did a good job with 0:04:43.738 --> 0:04:46.577 the quarterbacks. But I'm looking forward to this year where. 0:04:46.378 --> 0:04:48.658 We get to go. I mean, it's everybody. 0:04:49.097 --> 0:04:51.818 You bring up, any name, and it's pretty much that 0:04:51.898 --> 0:04:54.378 guy is pretty much in play for the Patriots. Any name, Evan, 0:04:54.737 --> 0:04:56.217 any name is in play for the Patriots. 0:04:56.498 --> 0:04:59.978 Look how excited he is. He's giddy. He's giddy over there. 0:05:00.018 --> 0:05:02.258 He can't wait. Hey Patriots fans, if you want to 0:05:02.298 --> 0:05:05.058 see Toyota's best offers, including those not seen on TV, 0:05:05.457 --> 0:05:07.977 go to buy at toyota dot com. It's Toyota's official 0:05:08.018 --> 0:05:11.417 deal official website for deals from the official vehicle of 0:05:11.457 --> 0:05:14.938 the New England Patriots. Toyota. Let's go places, And I 0:05:14.938 --> 0:05:17.338 am definitely gonna have one of these tonight because it's 0:05:17.337 --> 0:05:19.778 officially the bye week for me. Once this show is over, 0:05:20.097 --> 0:05:24.417 So I'm gonna be excited to crack open and easy 0:05:24.457 --> 0:05:27.097 to drink, easy to enjoy bud like the official beer 0:05:27.138 --> 0:05:30.857 sponsor of the New England Patriots. So I I didn't want 0:05:30.857 --> 0:05:32.578 to start with draft talk. I wanted to end with 0:05:32.658 --> 0:05:34.858 draft talk. So we're gonna put that on the back 0:05:34.898 --> 0:05:36.818 burner for a second because I do want to talk 0:05:36.938 --> 0:05:40.138 some current day Patriots before we get in to the 0:05:40.138 --> 0:05:43.897 offseason talk. And the biggest takeaway that I had from 0:05:43.938 --> 0:05:50.297 this game on Sunday is some sense of frustration for 0:05:50.418 --> 0:05:53.737 me personally. I'm just talking about myself. Yeah, I'm getting 0:05:53.737 --> 0:05:56.058 a little bit frustrated about certain things that are happening 0:05:56.097 --> 0:05:59.097 with this team right now. For the most part this season, 0:06:00.217 --> 0:06:04.138 I've been of the state of mind of Okay, it's 0:06:04.178 --> 0:06:07.057 a rebuilding year. I'm not expecting much in terms of 0:06:07.097 --> 0:06:10.897 wins and losses, that sort of mindset, right, and it 0:06:10.938 --> 0:06:13.457 hasn't really phased me all that much. The record hasn't 0:06:13.457 --> 0:06:15.618 phased me all that much. I picked them to win 0:06:15.698 --> 0:06:18.017 five games. I'm probably gonna be a little bit short there, 0:06:18.018 --> 0:06:20.297 but so we all kind of had them in this 0:06:20.818 --> 0:06:23.418 three to let's call it three to six win range. 0:06:23.418 --> 0:06:26.057 If you really were optimistic at six, so no one 0:06:26.097 --> 0:06:28.818 really expected much more than what's going on. The part 0:06:28.857 --> 0:06:32.017 that has frustrated me, and as a guy, as a 0:06:32.018 --> 0:06:36.498 big Drake May guy, as everybody knows, is it feels 0:06:36.538 --> 0:06:40.778 to me that Drake May at this point is ready 0:06:41.258 --> 0:06:44.657 to win football games in this league, especially against teams 0:06:44.658 --> 0:06:47.337 like the Indianapolis Colts. Right, Like, he played well enough 0:06:47.337 --> 0:06:50.738 in that game on Sunday to beat the Colts here 0:06:50.818 --> 0:06:53.657 at home. It wasn't perfect, and we can get to 0:06:53.698 --> 0:06:55.337 some of the red zone stuff and all that kind 0:06:55.378 --> 0:06:57.578 of stuff that went wrong for the Patriots offense, but 0:06:58.217 --> 0:07:02.258 this was a good offensive performance. Four hundred yards of 0:07:02.378 --> 0:07:05.458 total offense plus four hundred yards two hundred each on 0:07:05.498 --> 0:07:09.298 the ground and through the air. And just as a whole, 0:07:10.018 --> 0:07:14.858 Drake May now ranks fourteenth among thirty two quarterbacks in QBR, 0:07:15.338 --> 0:07:19.578 So he is a above average NFL quarterback already right 0:07:19.618 --> 0:07:22.898 as a rookie, as a rookie with the worst offensive 0:07:22.938 --> 0:07:26.938 line in football and one of the worst receiving groups 0:07:27.098 --> 0:07:31.018 skill position groups in the NFL as well, that's great, Like, 0:07:31.018 --> 0:07:35.538 that's optimistic about Drake. But the question then to me 0:07:36.338 --> 0:07:39.898 that Bear is asking is how is a quarterback that's 0:07:39.898 --> 0:07:43.778 playing above average ball with a let's face it, frankly 0:07:43.818 --> 0:07:46.538 and not good supporting cast. Ye, he's already playing a 0:07:46.538 --> 0:07:49.538 budget above average ball and just I know you hate 0:07:49.538 --> 0:07:52.098 the win probability, but I'm gonna give it to you anyways. Yeah, 0:07:52.378 --> 0:07:53.218 so QBO, No. 0:07:53.378 --> 0:07:55.418 This is a great example of why it doesn't work. 0:07:55.378 --> 0:07:58.978 Right, Yeah, it is. So QBR doubles as a win 0:07:59.058 --> 0:08:01.857 probability in metric, right, it's a way to rank quarterbacks, 0:08:01.857 --> 0:08:04.778 and it's also a way to rank win probability. 0:08:04.338 --> 0:08:07.138 Like if the quarterback plays this way, you'll win this percent. 0:08:07.338 --> 0:08:07.498 Right. 0:08:07.578 --> 0:08:11.137 So Drake May's QBR right now is fifty eight point zero, 0:08:11.178 --> 0:08:12.418 fourteenth among thirty. 0:08:12.178 --> 0:08:13.618 Two, So we should be winning fifty eight percent. 0:08:13.698 --> 0:08:15.618 They should be winning fifty eight percent of his games. 0:08:15.618 --> 0:08:18.218 They're one and six in full games that he's played in, 0:08:18.938 --> 0:08:22.098 So there's some of that tiny little bit I would 0:08:22.138 --> 0:08:24.378 say on Drake for the turnovers, right, and they it 0:08:24.458 --> 0:08:27.738 happened again on Sunday, not necessarily his fault, per se. 0:08:27.938 --> 0:08:30.938 I'll say it was the first start, like the first 0:08:30.938 --> 0:08:34.017 full game he's had where PFF did not have him 0:08:34.018 --> 0:08:34.778 with the turnover work. 0:08:34.977 --> 0:08:38.977 Yeah, I downgraded him on the throw for the interception personally, 0:08:39.058 --> 0:08:41.977 but it was unlucky that it was intercepted. It shouldn't be. 0:08:42.098 --> 0:08:44.618 It should have been an interception. In fact, the intent 0:08:44.737 --> 0:08:47.178 behind the throw was to me, to me, was to 0:08:47.218 --> 0:08:49.418 protect the ball and to protect Hunter Henry. Yeah, but 0:08:49.538 --> 0:08:51.418 and then you just had kind of a flu Well 0:08:51.458 --> 0:08:52.498 he threw it off the wrong hit. 0:08:52.578 --> 0:08:54.378 But that doesn't right, it doesn't the idea we're just 0:08:54.378 --> 0:08:56.218 throwing it low, like you throw it up all low 0:08:56.298 --> 0:08:58.778 to prevent a turnover. Yeah, that's right. That's not why 0:08:58.857 --> 0:09:01.058 they lost this game. That's what I'm getting at. So 0:09:01.898 --> 0:09:03.938 fifty eight point zero means that they should be winning, 0:09:04.458 --> 0:09:06.458 even if we just ballpark it. They should be winning 0:09:06.497 --> 0:09:09.978 half their games. With Drake Mayott quarterback. They're one in 0:09:10.058 --> 0:09:12.298 six in his starts that he finished, you know, not 0:09:12.658 --> 0:09:16.018 taking the Jets game out of this. And the question 0:09:16.098 --> 0:09:18.538 to me that with this team now as we move forward, 0:09:19.418 --> 0:09:24.178 is why, Because the why speaks to the offseason, right, like, 0:09:24.257 --> 0:09:27.698 what are they What are the biggest reasons why they 0:09:27.698 --> 0:09:31.137 are one and six? And one of the big reasons 0:09:31.938 --> 0:09:35.578 and the frustration for me with this is because you know, 0:09:36.298 --> 0:09:39.658 I hate talking about this stuff. It is the one 0:09:39.737 --> 0:09:43.338 thing that I cannot stand talking about, and that is 0:09:43.658 --> 0:09:48.977 in game management, like time management, timeouts. Should he or 0:09:48.977 --> 0:09:52.058 shouldn't he have challenged? Like should he have gone for 0:09:52.137 --> 0:09:54.417 hail Mary or kicked a sixty eight yard field goal? 0:09:54.737 --> 0:09:57.177 You know, this type of stuff drives me up an 0:09:57.338 --> 0:09:58.178 absolute wall. 0:09:58.218 --> 0:10:02.177 But it's almost like it's it's important or something. It's 0:10:02.418 --> 0:10:05.098 you also would have mattered. How about when you have 0:10:05.218 --> 0:10:07.857 three fourth downs on a twenty play drive you get 0:10:07.857 --> 0:10:10.378 a stop that would have we wouldn't have been talking 0:10:10.418 --> 0:10:14.657 about the timeouts al any of that if it didn't matter. Okay, Anyways, 0:10:15.218 --> 0:10:17.777 with that being said, when you lose a coin flip game, 0:10:17.778 --> 0:10:20.098 when you lose a game like one point at with 0:10:20.218 --> 0:10:22.857 twelve seconds left to go in the fourth quarter, those 0:10:22.938 --> 0:10:25.578 types of things that you and on the other show, 0:10:25.578 --> 0:10:27.858 it's Paul that that talks about this all the time, 0:10:28.698 --> 0:10:31.178 and you guys do a great job of talking about it. 0:10:32.338 --> 0:10:35.338 These types of things matter, These types of in game 0:10:35.377 --> 0:10:38.338 coaching decisions matter. I'm glad it took you four years 0:10:38.338 --> 0:10:39.098 to figure that out. 0:10:39.497 --> 0:10:41.297 I don't want them to matter. I don't want to 0:10:41.338 --> 0:10:43.338 talk about it, not even it matters. But it's not 0:10:43.377 --> 0:10:45.098 that I don't want to matter. It's not that I 0:10:45.098 --> 0:10:46.497 don't want to talk about it either. I don't want 0:10:46.497 --> 0:10:48.497 people because I know how people will get. Yeah, it 0:10:48.497 --> 0:10:50.818 has nothing to do with deflecting blame from girod Mao. 0:10:51.338 --> 0:10:53.298 I don't want to talk about it because I feel 0:10:53.338 --> 0:10:55.857 like there are things that are bigger than this, that 0:10:55.898 --> 0:10:56.658 are more important. 0:10:56.658 --> 0:10:57.458 You just find it boring. 0:10:57.857 --> 0:11:00.418 I find it painstakingly. 0:10:59.737 --> 0:11:02.377 Boring, even though it matters and it's important and it's 0:11:02.418 --> 0:11:02.978 part of the game. 0:11:03.178 --> 0:11:06.658 So all that being, I find the math boring. There's 0:11:06.778 --> 0:11:09.258 there's a couple of things you know, obviously that I 0:11:09.298 --> 0:11:12.497 think contributed to this loss. That has to be said. 0:11:12.578 --> 0:11:15.418 Is one of them. One of them is the fact 0:11:15.497 --> 0:11:18.298 that once again they come away with no points before halftime. 0:11:18.338 --> 0:11:19.977 Now it's not his fault that they missed a twenty 0:11:19.977 --> 0:11:22.617 five yard field goal, Okay, but they come away with 0:11:22.698 --> 0:11:24.497 no points or less points than they should have if 0:11:24.497 --> 0:11:28.098 you want to handicap the field goal there before the 0:11:28.137 --> 0:11:31.298 half in another way that I thought they mishanded that situation. 0:11:31.857 --> 0:11:35.617 And then at the end of the game, I understand, 0:11:35.698 --> 0:11:38.617 and I had no problem with him invoking Malcolm Butler there, 0:11:38.698 --> 0:11:41.938 I actually thought live I turned to Douce and Paul 0:11:41.977 --> 0:11:45.058 in the press box and said, well, maybe the argument 0:11:45.218 --> 0:11:49.058 is is Malcolm Butler, So I get that point of it. 0:11:49.458 --> 0:11:52.338 But my whole point with the timeout usage at the 0:11:52.418 --> 0:11:55.778 end of the game is that you have a quarterback 0:11:56.257 --> 0:11:59.418 that they have not stopped. Outside of one drive after 0:11:59.458 --> 0:12:01.698 the Gonzales pick, which we'll get to, which was run 0:12:01.778 --> 0:12:04.418 run pass, they have not stopped Drake May all day. 0:12:04.898 --> 0:12:06.538 All he needs is a field goal. So you don't 0:12:06.538 --> 0:12:08.298 even have to worry about can you execute in the 0:12:08.298 --> 0:12:10.177 red zone because you don't even need to. You don't 0:12:10.218 --> 0:12:12.377 need a touchdown, right, you only need a field goal. 0:12:12.737 --> 0:12:16.378 If you gave Drake May fifty seconds instead of twelve seconds, 0:12:16.698 --> 0:12:18.938 then I really believe that the Patriots would have drove 0:12:18.977 --> 0:12:20.898 down the field and won that game. Now, maybe he 0:12:20.938 --> 0:12:23.138 throws a pick like he did in you know, against 0:12:23.137 --> 0:12:26.458 the Rams, or he did against Tennessee or whatever it's possible. 0:12:26.497 --> 0:12:29.338 I'll allow for it. But that to me was a 0:12:29.338 --> 0:12:32.178 big part of this game, which it irks and grinds 0:12:32.257 --> 0:12:34.578 my gears. But I know that's your side of the street, 0:12:34.617 --> 0:12:35.338 so I'll let you go. 0:12:35.737 --> 0:12:38.338 Yeah, the key sequence is the end of the game, 0:12:38.538 --> 0:12:40.297 and the play calling is part of this so that's 0:12:40.298 --> 0:12:42.857 where we kind of bridge the gap there because they 0:12:42.898 --> 0:12:45.738 go run, run, pass. Like when they get down inside 0:12:45.737 --> 0:12:47.897 the eleven, Drake was doing a great job. They converted 0:12:48.578 --> 0:12:50.737 a set was his second and nineteen and a second 0:12:50.778 --> 0:12:53.898 and fifteen or second and fourteen on that two minute drive. 0:12:54.058 --> 0:12:54.898 Yeah, get down there. 0:12:54.938 --> 0:12:56.338 They get to the eleven, they call time out with 0:12:56.418 --> 0:12:58.098 forty one seconds to go, and it's like all right, 0:12:58.377 --> 0:13:01.098 like everything to that point, yeah, you got it. And 0:13:01.298 --> 0:13:04.938 forty one seconds two timeouts in the eleven yard line. 0:13:05.058 --> 0:13:09.737 You have almost everything at your disposal, almost everything. The 0:13:09.857 --> 0:13:13.458 one thing that you want to avoid is going run 0:13:13.538 --> 0:13:16.858 run without a score because now on third down you 0:13:17.017 --> 0:13:19.777 have to throw. You become one dimensional. You tip your hand. Yeah, 0:13:19.818 --> 0:13:21.578 and they come out and they go run run, So 0:13:21.617 --> 0:13:24.538 that was my bigger issue there. Yeah, with the field goal, 0:13:24.538 --> 0:13:26.258 I think that was an operational issue. I mean, you 0:13:26.257 --> 0:13:27.858 got to hit a twenty five yard field. I'm not 0:13:27.938 --> 0:13:32.058 excusing anybody, but that's on the that's an execution thing. 0:13:32.977 --> 0:13:34.738 The drive after Gonzale the same thing that was their 0:13:34.778 --> 0:13:37.098 only three and out of the game, which you want 0:13:37.098 --> 0:13:39.017 to look at it and be able to say they 0:13:39.017 --> 0:13:41.458 had I think it was nine drives they had nine drives, 0:13:41.497 --> 0:13:44.098 they only had one three and out. That's great progress 0:13:44.098 --> 0:13:46.458 for this offense. Yeah, it happened to come at one 0:13:46.497 --> 0:13:48.418 of the most crucial points in the game. You get 0:13:48.418 --> 0:13:50.417 the turnover. They actually had another. It wasn't a three 0:13:50.418 --> 0:13:53.698 and out off their other turnover three place field goal 0:13:53.737 --> 0:13:55.857 because they had the field positions. So I guess technically 0:13:55.898 --> 0:13:58.098 they had two, but they both came off turnovers, which 0:13:58.178 --> 0:14:01.698 is bad complimentary football. And then, yeah, the timeout usage 0:14:02.617 --> 0:14:05.058 didn't bug me as much as it bugged some people. 0:14:05.098 --> 0:14:07.698 It was more the idea that if you're gonna play 0:14:07.698 --> 0:14:10.658 for a field goal, don't play for and I don't 0:14:10.658 --> 0:14:12.618 hate playing for a field goal. Can you make that 0:14:12.658 --> 0:14:14.818 a sixty four to sixty five yard field goal instead 0:14:14.818 --> 0:14:17.897 of sixty eight? In at what depth are you running 0:14:17.898 --> 0:14:19.538 those routes going up the field? And I know they 0:14:19.618 --> 0:14:21.537 kicked it with a second ago, could they've run the 0:14:21.618 --> 0:14:23.938 routes any deeper? Well, if you can mix in something 0:14:23.938 --> 0:14:25.378 on the side of nine, or you don't botch the 0:14:25.378 --> 0:14:28.618 first one or something like that, Like we saw sly 0:14:28.818 --> 0:14:31.258 hit was at sixty two sixty three in San Francisco, 0:14:31.738 --> 0:14:34.338 so we can do that, But sixty eight that's two 0:14:34.418 --> 0:14:36.338 yards longer than the longest field goal in the NFL 0:14:36.418 --> 0:14:39.738 history period. It's four yards longer than the longest outdoor 0:14:39.738 --> 0:14:42.578 field goal in NFL history. It's five yards longer than 0:14:42.618 --> 0:14:45.978 the longest field goal in NFL history outdoor field goal 0:14:46.018 --> 0:14:50.338 in NFL history outside of Denver altitude. Right, So, if 0:14:50.418 --> 0:14:52.858 you run those routes a yard or two deeper and 0:14:52.938 --> 0:14:55.898 this is a lot harder than it sounds, but not impossible, 0:14:56.698 --> 0:14:59.098 if you draw that up a yard or too deeper 0:14:59.098 --> 0:15:02.057 than where it actually happened, do you maybe win the 0:15:02.098 --> 0:15:03.898 game with the sixty three, sixty four to sixty five 0:15:03.978 --> 0:15:05.698 yard field goal instead of sixty eight because. 0:15:05.538 --> 0:15:06.098 He was close. 0:15:06.498 --> 0:15:11.418 Credit to Joey Slide, he was close, but that I'm 0:15:11.418 --> 0:15:13.498 not saying the timeout usage wasn't an issue. Again, I 0:15:13.498 --> 0:15:16.858 see the defense of it. It's did they draw it 0:15:16.938 --> 0:15:19.778 up for sixty eight or did they draw it up 0:15:19.818 --> 0:15:20.538 for sixty five? 0:15:20.578 --> 0:15:21.458 Get to sixty eight and. 0:15:21.458 --> 0:15:22.978 Say, well, we have no choice now, we got to 0:15:23.018 --> 0:15:26.178 kick it cause it's sixty eight. I might almost go 0:15:26.218 --> 0:15:27.658 for the hill Mary there, but I don't hate the 0:15:27.658 --> 0:15:29.778 idea of kicking the long field goal with the kicker 0:15:29.818 --> 0:15:31.898 like Joey slye. But they need to execute a little 0:15:31.898 --> 0:15:33.298 further down the field to make that work. 0:15:33.418 --> 0:15:36.778 Yeah. I just feel like if you maximize time there 0:15:37.338 --> 0:15:40.417 on defense by taking your timeouts on defense, yeah, then 0:15:40.458 --> 0:15:43.138 they made they might have one more play so on 0:15:43.258 --> 0:15:45.938 offense to get into Joey's slide field. 0:15:46.138 --> 0:15:52.738 General consensus or the cliche is timeouts are more valuable 0:15:52.778 --> 0:15:56.138 on offense than defense. Yeah, because you don't have to 0:15:56.138 --> 0:15:58.258 go hurry up. You know, you're not minute right, you're 0:15:58.258 --> 0:16:01.698 not limited to the sideline. So if you're falling back 0:16:01.738 --> 0:16:08.178 on that belief, okay, yeah, like I now they're maybe 0:16:08.178 --> 0:16:09.578 you look at it and say, well, if that's what 0:16:09.618 --> 0:16:11.938 you're doing, do you let them score? 0:16:12.298 --> 0:16:12.538 Right? 0:16:12.818 --> 0:16:16.098 And that's I never, I very rarely should you let 0:16:16.138 --> 0:16:18.098 the opponents score like rare situations. 0:16:18.258 --> 0:16:20.417 Yeah, I wouldn't. 0:16:20.418 --> 0:16:22.218 There you could have an argument, but like to me, 0:16:22.338 --> 0:16:25.098 it's a case of timeouts and more available, more valuable 0:16:25.098 --> 0:16:27.098 on offense the defense. And I wonder if they thought they'd. 0:16:26.898 --> 0:16:27.418 Have more time. 0:16:27.658 --> 0:16:30.417 I also wonder if they were surprised by the Colts 0:16:30.498 --> 0:16:32.818 one for two and if they kind of figured, well 0:16:33.338 --> 0:16:36.098 they shouldn't have been your okay, fair enough, but to 0:16:36.178 --> 0:16:38.138 your like I didn't think the Colts were gonna do 0:16:38.178 --> 0:16:40.578 it because they were kind of struggling at times and 0:16:40.618 --> 0:16:42.458 it was this long drive. I kind of thought the 0:16:42.498 --> 0:16:44.218 Colts are gonna kick it, and I had the thought 0:16:44.778 --> 0:16:47.058 where you were where it was like they've been able 0:16:47.058 --> 0:16:49.338 to stop drinking may all day. All Right, this goes 0:16:49.338 --> 0:16:49.978 to overtime. 0:16:50.538 --> 0:16:52.218 Yeah, you know, just win coin to us. 0:16:52.658 --> 0:16:56.537 But yeah, I wonder if if the belief was basically 0:16:57.298 --> 0:17:00.178 the timeouts are better served on offense. 0:17:00.418 --> 0:17:04.018 Yeah, so the end of the game, it didn't. I didn't 0:17:04.058 --> 0:17:07.258 love it, and I hear that cliche and I can 0:17:07.298 --> 0:17:11.018 hear that argument as well. And then I before halftime, 0:17:11.098 --> 0:17:13.218 like this has just happened way too many times this year, 0:17:13.338 --> 0:17:14.298 like they've really. 0:17:14.298 --> 0:17:18.217 Yeah, halftime one is it's it's time and time and 0:17:18.298 --> 0:17:18.818 time again. 0:17:19.058 --> 0:17:23.018 They've literally executed before halftime. I'm taking the Texans bomb 0:17:23.058 --> 0:17:25.338 to Kishon booty out because that's just a bomb. That's 0:17:25.378 --> 0:17:27.738 just a great play and a great throw and catch 0:17:27.818 --> 0:17:31.178 by two guys. Like that's not executing a sitch a right, 0:17:31.298 --> 0:17:33.938 that's just making a great pot. I'll even give them that. 0:17:34.178 --> 0:17:39.458 And there's they've still hit on like two out of eight. Yeah, 0:17:39.578 --> 0:17:41.258 if you're being generous whatever you want to call that. 0:17:41.338 --> 0:17:43.458 Jets one where at least they didn't punt the ball back, 0:17:43.498 --> 0:17:45.978 they killed the block. They still hit on two out. 0:17:45.898 --> 0:17:48.098 Of eight to give them that. It's still not good enough. 0:17:48.138 --> 0:17:51.098 The only great situational football you've seen all year from 0:17:51.178 --> 0:17:53.698 this team is in Chicago. Like that was that was 0:17:53.738 --> 0:17:57.058 a well executed Uh looked great, Like that was a 0:17:57.058 --> 0:17:59.858 great moment for this team in that in this vein. 0:18:00.498 --> 0:18:02.898 But the biggest thing that I look at before halftime 0:18:03.578 --> 0:18:07.338 is the decision of course to go run run pass 0:18:07.858 --> 0:18:11.458 uh there in that spot, and then coinciding with that 0:18:11.498 --> 0:18:15.938 decision to take time outs in between the run plays. 0:18:16.578 --> 0:18:20.418 If you're gonna go, in my mind, going run run 0:18:20.538 --> 0:18:23.258 on first and second down in those situations, is to 0:18:23.298 --> 0:18:25.778 make sure that that is the last possession of the half. Right, 0:18:25.818 --> 0:18:28.418 it's to milt clock. So if you're gonna if that's 0:18:28.458 --> 0:18:30.618 the idea is to make that the last possession of 0:18:30.658 --> 0:18:33.058 the half, then make it. They'll like, make sure it's 0:18:33.098 --> 0:18:35.058 the last possession of the half. Don't keep stopping the 0:18:35.058 --> 0:18:38.378 clock for him, right, like, don't keep calling timeouts for him. 0:18:38.658 --> 0:18:41.058 I just thought that that was a little bit weird 0:18:41.098 --> 0:18:43.898 that it feels like you're trying to milk clock, but 0:18:43.938 --> 0:18:47.298 then you're also stopping the clock simultaneously, like that sort 0:18:47.298 --> 0:18:50.138 of not here nor there. And then to your point 0:18:50.458 --> 0:18:54.138 about third down being an obvious passing down, now they 0:18:54.178 --> 0:18:58.538 got bailed out that there was a penalty. So my 0:18:58.618 --> 0:19:03.258 biggest thing after the second down play was third down 0:19:03.298 --> 0:19:06.978 cannot be a sack. You absolutely cannot take a sack 0:19:07.018 --> 0:19:09.178 on third down, and he took a sack. It was 0:19:09.218 --> 0:19:11.018 probably worst play the game. Yeah, it was one of 0:19:11.018 --> 0:19:12.858 his worst plays of the game. And he gets bailed 0:19:12.898 --> 0:19:15.178 out for the fact that they get called for a 0:19:15.218 --> 0:19:18.738 penalty on the play which stops the clock. So they 0:19:18.818 --> 0:19:21.338 really should have came away with not even a field 0:19:21.378 --> 0:19:24.018 goal attempt with the way that they handled the situation, 0:19:24.138 --> 0:19:27.378 let alone a missed field goal. So that was that 0:19:27.458 --> 0:19:29.618 was a bad sequence in this game because you score 0:19:29.618 --> 0:19:32.138 a touchdown there. I'm not saying it's a game over, 0:19:32.298 --> 0:19:36.658 but with Anthony Richardson, like in his like limited limitations 0:19:36.698 --> 0:19:40.418 throwing the football, it's it's you're in a really good spot. 0:19:40.538 --> 0:19:42.618 You're in a really good spot up two scores going in. 0:19:42.778 --> 0:19:45.498 I thought the management at the end of the first 0:19:45.538 --> 0:19:47.338 half is more costly than the management at the end 0:19:47.378 --> 0:19:49.378 of the second half. Obviously, in the second half game 0:19:49.418 --> 0:19:52.218 online like you have to be better and that wasn't good, 0:19:52.298 --> 0:19:55.058 but pound for pound, the end of the first half 0:19:55.138 --> 0:19:56.417 was a bigger missed opportunity. 0:19:56.938 --> 0:20:00.258 The other element of this that I feel like come 0:20:00.498 --> 0:20:03.098 follows a little bit on the coaching side of things, too, 0:20:03.418 --> 0:20:05.938 is the regression of the defense, which we've been talking 0:20:05.938 --> 0:20:09.818 about on this show for the entire season, but now 0:20:09.858 --> 0:20:13.138 it's it really seems like it's coming to ahead because 0:20:13.298 --> 0:20:15.338 we're getting to the end of the year and there's 0:20:15.378 --> 0:20:17.778 got to be decisions made about, you know what, what's 0:20:17.818 --> 0:20:20.618 gonna be what this coaching staff is gonna look like 0:20:20.658 --> 0:20:23.058 in year two for Girodmeo. Is it gonna look exactly 0:20:23.098 --> 0:20:25.018 the same? Is it not gonna look exactly the same. 0:20:25.578 --> 0:20:27.578 I know that there's been a lot of conversations about 0:20:27.618 --> 0:20:31.538 DeMarcus Covington. I understand all of those things. I mean, look, 0:20:31.618 --> 0:20:35.098 right now, since Drake may took over as the starter, 0:20:35.698 --> 0:20:38.378 they have the worst defense in football by DVOA. They're 0:20:38.418 --> 0:20:41.938 the thirty second ranked defense in the league. They should 0:20:41.938 --> 0:20:43.938 not be the thirty second ranked defense in the league. 0:20:43.978 --> 0:20:45.898 They have enough talent on that side of the ball 0:20:46.138 --> 0:20:49.218 to at least be middling on defense. They are things 0:20:49.218 --> 0:20:52.018 that I am seeing defensively with them, though are I 0:20:52.298 --> 0:20:54.178 don't want to call him self inflicted because I don't 0:20:54.178 --> 0:20:56.818 want to give zero credit to the opponent, But in 0:20:56.898 --> 0:21:00.818 a lot of ways, they just are not tied together 0:21:01.098 --> 0:21:03.618 as a defense. It doesn't feel like it's eleven guys 0:21:04.018 --> 0:21:07.178 on a string. It feels like it's individuals out there 0:21:07.738 --> 0:21:11.338 on islands, like trying to make individual plays to keep 0:21:11.378 --> 0:21:14.218 this defense afloat. You know, whether it's run fits, whether 0:21:14.258 --> 0:21:16.938 it's assignment's in the red zone, you know, they whether 0:21:17.018 --> 0:21:20.058 it's you know that fourth and three play after the 0:21:20.098 --> 0:21:23.698 catch that everybody wanted Girodmeo to challenge. That fourth and 0:21:23.738 --> 0:21:26.938 three play, the receiver is just wide open, like it's 0:21:26.978 --> 0:21:29.658 another coverage bust, Like it's just a wide open coverage 0:21:29.658 --> 0:21:34.898 bust on a critical game deciding type of play. They 0:21:34.938 --> 0:21:37.778 can't get off the field there because they don't have 0:21:37.858 --> 0:21:40.298 good zone distribution and there's nobody to cover the tight 0:21:40.418 --> 0:21:44.458 end there when Anthony Richardson kind of breaks contain and 0:21:44.498 --> 0:21:46.498 then there's just nobody there and not to you know, 0:21:46.538 --> 0:21:50.418 look get Sjabrill Peppers's first game back. But the whole 0:21:50.498 --> 0:21:52.978 break container element of it too just speaks to the 0:21:53.538 --> 0:21:57.778 undisciplined nature of this defense right now, the run fits again, 0:21:57.858 --> 0:22:00.938 and the run defense again was a problem. So I 0:22:01.018 --> 0:22:05.018 do think defensively, we're getting to the point now where 0:22:05.298 --> 0:22:07.378 there need to be some changes on that side of 0:22:07.418 --> 0:22:10.578 the football in the offseason, not just personnel wise, but 0:22:10.618 --> 0:22:14.538 maybe coaching staff wise as well, because of just really 0:22:14.538 --> 0:22:19.618 what's going on fundamentally with the defense run defense assignments. 0:22:19.658 --> 0:22:21.418 You know, how many times are we going to watch 0:22:21.898 --> 0:22:25.098 them blow coverages in the red zone before something has 0:22:25.178 --> 0:22:27.938 to give there? So and just in general, I think 0:22:27.938 --> 0:22:31.778 that that is a big, big question mark and problem 0:22:31.818 --> 0:22:33.378 that they need to answer. And it's a tough one 0:22:33.818 --> 0:22:37.898 because everybody really is very high on DeMarcus Covington, myself 0:22:37.898 --> 0:22:40.618 included in terms of the future for him as a 0:22:40.658 --> 0:22:43.898 coach in this league. But right now it feels to 0:22:43.938 --> 0:22:46.858 me a little bit like they've regressed too hard on 0:22:46.898 --> 0:22:47.658 that side of the ball. 0:22:47.938 --> 0:22:50.018 I mean, how many times did we talk about in 0:22:50.018 --> 0:22:51.418 the spring of the summer that the point of the 0:22:51.458 --> 0:22:52.898 season was are you better at the end than you 0:22:52.938 --> 0:22:54.738 are at the beginning? And you use the word regression. 0:22:54.738 --> 0:22:55.298 That's what it is. 0:22:55.738 --> 0:22:57.898 You're looking for growth and it's just not there defensively 0:22:57.978 --> 0:22:58.338 right now? 0:22:59.138 --> 0:23:02.218 Yeah, yeah, the last one red zone obviously go two 0:23:02.218 --> 0:23:03.338 for six in the red zone for. 0:23:03.338 --> 0:23:06.018 Six defensively three for four. The opponent goes three for four. 0:23:06.818 --> 0:23:08.578 Three weeks in a row, they've done three for four 0:23:08.658 --> 0:23:11.417 defensively in the red zone. So you have to be 0:23:11.418 --> 0:23:13.498 better in that area. Yeah, and Drake May should be 0:23:13.538 --> 0:23:16.538 a weapon. And this goes to you look how the 0:23:16.578 --> 0:23:19.698 Colts used Anthony Richardson down there, and Alex Van Pelt 0:23:19.938 --> 0:23:22.178 changed his tone going into that game. He had said 0:23:22.218 --> 0:23:24.538 that they weren't going to do design quarterback runs for 0:23:24.658 --> 0:23:27.657 Drake May, and I mean they still haven't, but that 0:23:27.738 --> 0:23:29.937 week he said, you know, we might mix them in. 0:23:30.538 --> 0:23:32.138 You might have had a shot to mix one in there. 0:23:32.258 --> 0:23:35.098 So you saw what a difference maker Richardson could be 0:23:35.138 --> 0:23:37.818 in that scenario when you lose that space and you 0:23:37.818 --> 0:23:40.378 have more defenders down in the box and now you 0:23:40.418 --> 0:23:41.698 have more guys you have to block. When you have 0:23:41.698 --> 0:23:44.738 the quarterback as an extra number in that count, the 0:23:44.818 --> 0:23:47.938 running backs now blocking that can give you an advantage. 0:23:47.978 --> 0:23:51.178 So I offensively, I wonder if that's key. Defensively, they're 0:23:51.258 --> 0:23:53.258 just they're getting beat every which way. 0:23:53.138 --> 0:23:53.698 In the red zone. 0:23:53.698 --> 0:23:55.658 So there's not one thing I think you look at 0:23:55.658 --> 0:23:57.858 and you say, if you adjust this or if you 0:23:57.938 --> 0:24:01.298 try that. It's a lot more more complex than that. 0:24:01.338 --> 0:24:03.698 But offensively, I wonder if i'd get they don't want 0:24:03.698 --> 0:24:05.778 to run Drake may A ton and I agree with that. 0:24:06.378 --> 0:24:09.938 I would rather underrun him than overrun him. Yeah, but I. 0:24:09.858 --> 0:24:12.418 Don't think the answer is zero either, And if there 0:24:12.498 --> 0:24:13.818 is a time to do it, I think the red 0:24:13.898 --> 0:24:14.298 zone's it. 0:24:15.218 --> 0:24:18.658 What's happening for offensively in the red zone other than 0:24:18.978 --> 0:24:22.018 one drive that completely got killed by penalties. They get 0:24:22.018 --> 0:24:24.898 called for holds on back to back plays and first 0:24:24.898 --> 0:24:26.978 and goal from the two becomes first and twenty two 0:24:27.378 --> 0:24:29.978 from outside the red zone. They there, they go from 0:24:30.018 --> 0:24:32.978 the two line to outside the red zone because of penalties. 0:24:33.218 --> 0:24:35.458 So that was one of the drives that got killed. 0:24:35.818 --> 0:24:37.858 The other drive that got killed was obviously the pick 0:24:38.018 --> 0:24:40.178 right like that happens in the pick, And then the 0:24:40.178 --> 0:24:43.378 other two drives were situations where they got into third 0:24:43.418 --> 0:24:48.138 bat third down dropback situations. When you are in third 0:24:48.298 --> 0:24:51.898 and obvious pass down in the red zone, that's a 0:24:51.938 --> 0:24:55.418 difficult play to execute, like it's a difficult way to 0:24:55.418 --> 0:24:59.698 score it really is. The main reason why it is 0:24:59.778 --> 0:25:02.618 obviously because the space is condensed, so there's no vertical 0:25:02.618 --> 0:25:05.338 element to the field, so you really only are working 0:25:05.378 --> 0:25:08.258 with the horizontal stretch of the field, which is why 0:25:08.298 --> 0:25:10.418 on the first one they called mesh because that's a 0:25:10.458 --> 0:25:14.218 horizontally stretching of the field type of play. But the 0:25:14.298 --> 0:25:16.458 problem is that if you're spacing is off like it 0:25:16.578 --> 0:25:18.978 was on that play, there's just not a whole lot 0:25:19.018 --> 0:25:22.218 of answers for the quarterback at that point on mesh 0:25:22.218 --> 0:25:25.778 against zone. So I didn't love that call from a 0:25:25.858 --> 0:25:28.458 play call in perspective, because there's really when you get 0:25:28.538 --> 0:25:31.458 zone coverage against mesh, which is the crossing routes in 0:25:31.498 --> 0:25:33.818 the middle of the field with a little sit or 0:25:33.858 --> 0:25:36.138 an over the ball route by the tight end behind it, 0:25:36.378 --> 0:25:38.818 and then usually you have like a flare or rail 0:25:39.018 --> 0:25:41.937 out in the flats. It's a really good answer against 0:25:41.938 --> 0:25:44.538 man to man coverage in the red zone. Most teams 0:25:44.578 --> 0:25:46.938 call that mesh traffic where they're just trying to get 0:25:47.218 --> 0:25:49.298 some picks or some traffic in the middle of the 0:25:49.298 --> 0:25:51.618 field and leak the running back out and a lot 0:25:51.658 --> 0:25:54.218 of the time if you can get that player in 0:25:54.258 --> 0:25:55.818 the box to have to go through a bunch of 0:25:55.818 --> 0:25:57.458 trash on his way out to the flat to the 0:25:57.538 --> 0:25:59.818 running back, the running backs just wide open in the 0:25:59.818 --> 0:26:01.618 flat right and he can just run the foot race 0:26:01.658 --> 0:26:03.858 and it's a touchdown. But the problem is is that 0:26:04.058 --> 0:26:07.338 with Mesha in terms of getting zone coverage, which is 0:26:07.338 --> 0:26:10.138 what they got on the play, really the only answer 0:26:10.178 --> 0:26:13.258 to mesh against zone is the over the ball route right, 0:26:13.298 --> 0:26:16.938 and so you have to stretch out the underneath zones 0:26:17.178 --> 0:26:20.417 and create that passing lane to Hunter Henry Hunter, Henry 0:26:20.458 --> 0:26:22.898 I thought probably could have cut off his route a 0:26:22.938 --> 0:26:24.898 little bit sooner and been a little bit more to 0:26:24.938 --> 0:26:27.538 the hash instead of the middle of the field. And 0:26:27.698 --> 0:26:30.138 Kendrick Bourne owned it after the game that he ran 0:26:30.258 --> 0:26:33.378 the wrong route around his route poorly. It didn't keep 0:26:33.618 --> 0:26:36.138 you know, running and continuing across the field. So you 0:26:36.178 --> 0:26:40.018 get into an obvious pass situation. Not only is it's 0:26:40.098 --> 0:26:42.938 in the tight quarters to throw the football. Not only 0:26:42.978 --> 0:26:44.698 do you have to have the right play call against 0:26:44.698 --> 0:26:47.298 the coverage that you get and line it up that way, 0:26:47.578 --> 0:26:51.018 you're also asking a young quarterback to now read progressions 0:26:51.098 --> 0:26:53.978 in the red zone where things happen a lot faster. 0:26:54.378 --> 0:26:56.138 So the one thing that I would put on Drake 0:26:56.178 --> 0:26:58.898 a little bit in the red zone is when they 0:26:58.898 --> 0:27:01.778 get into those situations, he's got to be quicker. He's 0:27:01.818 --> 0:27:04.218 got to be faster through the reads. Like on one 0:27:04.218 --> 0:27:06.458 of the plays, it was a second down play, he 0:27:06.578 --> 0:27:09.178 had Gibson on the angle on the Texas route coming 0:27:09.218 --> 0:27:11.858 out of the backfield. Gibson slipped a little bit, and 0:27:11.898 --> 0:27:14.258 I think that's why Drake came off of it. But 0:27:14.338 --> 0:27:16.618 that's one where you just put it on your running 0:27:16.658 --> 0:27:19.538 back James White style and he burrows his way into 0:27:19.578 --> 0:27:21.738 the end zone and you don't have to get into 0:27:21.978 --> 0:27:23.778 a third down. You know. Those are the types of 0:27:23.818 --> 0:27:27.178 things I thought he had Remandre. They kind of had 0:27:27.218 --> 0:27:29.978 Remandre wheel or seam frond of seam out of the 0:27:30.018 --> 0:27:32.978 backfield and make it three strong on that side, and 0:27:32.978 --> 0:27:35.218 he kind of runs the seam. I thought he had 0:27:35.258 --> 0:27:37.618 Remandre on the seam. He would have had to rip 0:27:37.658 --> 0:27:38.938 it like it would have had to have been a 0:27:38.978 --> 0:27:41.818 tight window. But that's what happens in the red zone 0:27:41.858 --> 0:27:44.698 in the league. The windows shrink, the timing is faster, 0:27:45.338 --> 0:27:50.498 So those things are tough for young quarterbacks. And the 0:27:50.538 --> 0:27:52.738 one way, you know, like as you were talking about, 0:27:53.058 --> 0:27:56.698 to combat the fact that asking quarterbacks to go through 0:27:56.698 --> 0:27:59.378 progressions in the red zone can be dicey that when 0:27:59.378 --> 0:28:01.818 they're in their rookie seasons and their young quarterbacks in 0:28:01.818 --> 0:28:06.858 this league is to run option plays, read options, you know, 0:28:06.978 --> 0:28:11.258 play actions like things like that where it's really simplifying 0:28:11.298 --> 0:28:13.498 the game for the quarterback. Right, so you're not getting 0:28:13.578 --> 0:28:17.938 back into the gun, dropping back and going one, two, three, four, five, right, 0:28:17.978 --> 0:28:21.178 You're just it's an RPO. You're either handing it off 0:28:21.298 --> 0:28:24.338 or you're running it yourself, you're throwing a slant, whatever 0:28:24.378 --> 0:28:26.338 the case may be. I think that those are the 0:28:26.378 --> 0:28:28.658 things that they have to get to a little bit 0:28:28.658 --> 0:28:31.898 more moving forward in the red zone from an offensive perspective. 0:28:32.378 --> 0:28:36.378 Last thing on the offense in the red zone or 0:28:36.898 --> 0:28:39.098 in the offense in general, the Gonzo drive, you know, 0:28:39.218 --> 0:28:42.018 the Gonzo picks it off. Yeah, really probably should have 0:28:42.018 --> 0:28:45.898 sealed the game right there, the first down run. I'm 0:28:45.898 --> 0:28:48.818 fine with running the ball on first and ten there, 0:28:49.258 --> 0:28:52.578 that's okay. I there is a chance that he might 0:28:52.618 --> 0:28:55.658 have checked into the second run. I'm not one hundred 0:28:55.658 --> 0:28:57.818 percent sure, but it looked like he did have some 0:28:57.818 --> 0:29:01.098 communication pre snaps, so maybe that was a can or 0:29:01.338 --> 0:29:04.938 you know, a check into a run on second down. 0:29:05.058 --> 0:29:07.538 But then again, you get yourself into obvious pass on 0:29:07.618 --> 0:29:10.658 third down, and these are the situations you run yourself into. 0:29:10.738 --> 0:29:13.098 I thought he had a chance on third down to 0:29:13.138 --> 0:29:15.698 make a throw to Kendrick Bourne on that play, But 0:29:15.738 --> 0:29:18.938 what it looked like to me was he was told 0:29:19.378 --> 0:29:22.938 if you don't love anything, you can't turn it over here, 0:29:23.138 --> 0:29:25.698 like we can't have a turnover. So he kind of 0:29:25.698 --> 0:29:27.698 turtles in the pocket. And I'm not saying that he's 0:29:27.738 --> 0:29:29.658 like afraid to get hit, don't take it the wrong way, 0:29:30.098 --> 0:29:32.578 but it looks to me like he felt some pressure 0:29:32.618 --> 0:29:35.498 from behind him and didn't want to get strip sacked again, 0:29:35.618 --> 0:29:36.978 and so he just went down. 0:29:36.778 --> 0:29:39.138 Which like good, like that that's growth. 0:29:39.178 --> 0:29:40.458 I just I don't know. 0:29:40.458 --> 0:29:41.698 I kind of would have liked them to take a 0:29:41.698 --> 0:29:43.778 shot there. Yeah, on the first or second down, and 0:29:43.818 --> 0:29:45.898 maybe that's what he checked out of, but I thought 0:29:45.898 --> 0:29:46.938 that was a good time to take a shot. 0:29:47.138 --> 0:29:49.858 Yeah. I can't disagree with you there, but just in general, 0:29:49.978 --> 0:29:53.458 I think that those are the the ways that you 0:29:53.578 --> 0:29:57.978 get a really good performance from your rookie quarterback who 0:29:58.018 --> 0:30:01.818 continues to stack games. Obviously the Miami game wasn't was 0:30:01.898 --> 0:30:06.098 bad for everybody, but rams game, this game, stacking good 0:30:06.178 --> 0:30:10.858 games against these teams, and you just can't win. You can't, 0:30:11.138 --> 0:30:12.978 they can't, they can't come away with wins. And I 0:30:13.458 --> 0:30:17.938 feel like game management, defensive regression, red zone offense for 0:30:18.058 --> 0:30:20.858 the three reasons you could check all three of those boxes. 0:30:20.898 --> 0:30:22.578 All right, let's do three up, three down, and then 0:30:22.618 --> 0:30:26.378 we're gonna get into the draft. So do you want 0:30:26.378 --> 0:30:28.418 to start? It was gonna brut up and everyone up 0:30:28.458 --> 0:30:29.298 with Strake May. Yeah. 0:30:29.378 --> 0:30:33.458 I thought, maybe not the flashiest game he's played as 0:30:33.458 --> 0:30:35.938 a pro outside of the forty one yard run. Doesn't 0:30:35.938 --> 0:30:37.498 have and I mean to minimize that, but like didn't 0:30:37.538 --> 0:30:41.138 have those like real highlight deep ball kind of throws. 0:30:41.178 --> 0:30:46.378 But what a complete game he played. I just thought 0:30:46.658 --> 0:30:49.898 his he did a good job reading the defense. The 0:30:50.058 --> 0:30:54.378 intermediate accuracy was excellent. I thought his decisions went to 0:30:54.458 --> 0:30:57.618 run when to not run made sense. He protected himself 0:30:57.618 --> 0:31:00.178 and running the football didn't put the ball on harm's way. 0:31:00.858 --> 0:31:03.778 That's what you're looking for. That's the game we're we're 0:31:03.818 --> 0:31:08.458 looking for. And when we've talked about where there's room 0:31:08.458 --> 0:31:11.258 for growth with Drake May kind of balancing that, Okay, 0:31:11.298 --> 0:31:13.738 where does he need to be better and where will 0:31:13.778 --> 0:31:16.538 it just naturally improve when the talent around him is better. 0:31:16.898 --> 0:31:18.858 And this was the first game where I feel like 0:31:18.938 --> 0:31:22.218 definitively you looked at it and you said, I'm not 0:31:22.258 --> 0:31:24.378 sure how much more he could have done. There was 0:31:24.418 --> 0:31:28.258 some but like he plays at that level with an 0:31:28.258 --> 0:31:32.018 improved roster to your for Cock to QBR stat like, 0:31:32.018 --> 0:31:33.938 they're gonna wait probably more than fifty eight percent of 0:31:33.938 --> 0:31:35.778 the games with him playing that way. 0:31:35.938 --> 0:31:38.458 Cock, that's the best way to measure quarterbacks. 0:31:38.458 --> 0:31:41.218 But when when well, he was more than fifty percent, 0:31:41.258 --> 0:31:43.418 when he plays the way he played on Sunday, they're 0:31:43.418 --> 0:31:43.858 gonna be more. 0:31:44.218 --> 0:31:46.818 Oh no, yeah, his QBR on Sunday was like seventy five. 0:31:46.898 --> 0:31:49.458 Okay, that I would say is probably more like it. 0:31:49.538 --> 0:31:52.498 So now he needs to stack him When we talk 0:31:52.538 --> 0:31:54.658 about the growth down the stretch, right, it can't just 0:31:54.738 --> 0:31:56.498 be being intermittent. 0:31:56.778 --> 0:31:58.938 But if you get all you can give him one. 0:31:59.178 --> 0:32:01.218 If you get like three more of those games in 0:32:01.258 --> 0:32:04.498 the last four from Drake May, I'd feel I'm gonna 0:32:04.498 --> 0:32:07.658 feel really good heading into year two, Like that's the 0:32:07.738 --> 0:32:09.978 kind of game I've been waiting for him to play. 0:32:10.138 --> 0:32:12.378 Yeah, No, he was really good in this game. And 0:32:12.418 --> 0:32:14.658 I think, what you know, just I had him with 0:32:14.698 --> 0:32:16.978 a twelve plus plays five and a half minus plays 0:32:16.978 --> 0:32:19.978 in this game, so it really was half really good ratio. 0:32:20.298 --> 0:32:21.658 I would have to go look at my notes and 0:32:21.658 --> 0:32:24.538 see you half plays I do have for sometimes I 0:32:24.578 --> 0:32:28.058 do have for like ball placement issues where it's still 0:32:28.058 --> 0:32:32.738 a completion, but like the ball placement wasn't great. Interception No, yes, 0:32:32.858 --> 0:32:36.018 the interception was a full downgrade to me. But there 0:32:36.138 --> 0:32:39.058 was a ball to Hooper along the sideline where he 0:32:39.098 --> 0:32:42.018 wrong shouldered Hooper and Hooper had to fight through some 0:32:42.058 --> 0:32:44.058 contact to make the catch, made a really nice catch 0:32:44.098 --> 0:32:46.378 on the ball, and I put that as a half 0:32:46.458 --> 0:32:49.738 match down. No, okay, no, that was great. The wrong No, 0:32:50.138 --> 0:32:52.498 it was a different It was a different one anyways. 0:32:53.218 --> 0:32:56.578 But number one up was Drake May. I think what 0:32:56.698 --> 0:32:59.978 continues to impress me so much is how well he's 0:33:00.018 --> 0:33:02.338 doing at the first two levels of the defense and 0:33:02.378 --> 0:33:05.338 the short in the intermediate passing game. I don't think 0:33:05.338 --> 0:33:08.098 there was a lot of people that were anti Drake 0:33:08.138 --> 0:33:10.578 May in the draft that anticipated that he would be 0:33:10.658 --> 0:33:14.698 this good instructure. This early on, we a lot of 0:33:14.698 --> 0:33:17.138 people kind of knew that he had the deep ball, 0:33:17.258 --> 0:33:20.418 had the mobility, had the off script stuff. But the 0:33:20.458 --> 0:33:22.938 ability to just kind of dice up zone coverage like 0:33:22.938 --> 0:33:25.658 he did on Sunday was something that I was told 0:33:25.658 --> 0:33:28.538 a million times he couldn't do right, Like all draft season, 0:33:28.538 --> 0:33:30.858 I was told that was not in his game, that 0:33:30.858 --> 0:33:33.378 that wasn't who he is, like all those kinds of stuff. 0:33:33.658 --> 0:33:36.978 It's hard when you play Augus Bradley's style defense, a 0:33:37.058 --> 0:33:41.178 Seattle three style defense, to just take profits underneath the 0:33:41.258 --> 0:33:44.858 defense and be patient and take the chunks and take 0:33:44.858 --> 0:33:48.098 the easy layups. When you're a quarterback that wants to 0:33:48.098 --> 0:33:50.618 be back there and wants to make plays, it's hard. 0:33:50.698 --> 0:33:53.138 It's hard to not take the bait and throw deep. 0:33:53.258 --> 0:33:56.218 You know, a couple of times, and a lot of 0:33:56.258 --> 0:33:59.218 young quarterbacks, you know, my boy, Josh Allen, you know 0:33:59.258 --> 0:34:02.338 a lot of young quarterbacks make mistakes doing that. Right. 0:34:02.338 --> 0:34:05.098 They'll they'll take the cheese and they'll throw deep and 0:34:04.898 --> 0:34:07.618 all and then it's a pick right like they do. 0:34:08.378 --> 0:34:11.698 It was really impressive to watch how patient he was 0:34:11.817 --> 0:34:14.138 marching the ball down the field in this game. And 0:34:14.338 --> 0:34:16.618 I continue to be really impressed too with some of 0:34:17.138 --> 0:34:20.258 his anticipatory throws. I thought those were his best throws 0:34:20.297 --> 0:34:22.938 on Sunday. You know, Hunter Henry on a out on 0:34:23.058 --> 0:34:25.857 third down, just a great ball, you know, just right 0:34:25.898 --> 0:34:28.498 out of the break. It's right on Hunter Henry. He 0:34:28.817 --> 0:34:31.178 had to throw a couple over the middle to Kendrick 0:34:31.218 --> 0:34:33.658 Bourne on those incuts on the bow concept. That's just 0:34:33.738 --> 0:34:37.777 like tight window layering the ball in there against zone 0:34:38.018 --> 0:34:39.738 like Bourne is like on the other side of the 0:34:39.738 --> 0:34:42.258 linebacker and he's throwing them open on the you know, 0:34:42.338 --> 0:34:44.938 one side to the other side of the linebackers. Like, 0:34:44.978 --> 0:34:49.538 those anticipatory throws are really impressive, next level type of throws. 0:34:50.218 --> 0:34:53.138 And then again, you play man coverage against this guy, 0:34:53.178 --> 0:34:55.978 you better account for the quarterback because otherwise he's gonna 0:34:56.018 --> 0:34:58.498 run for forty one yards. So when you put it 0:34:58.538 --> 0:35:01.018 all together, you know, I think he only had what 0:35:01.218 --> 0:35:04.098 like two hundred and something passing yards in this game. 0:35:04.698 --> 0:35:06.937 It was I have it right here, it was two 0:35:06.978 --> 0:35:09.297 thirty eight. But then you add the forty one yard 0:35:09.378 --> 0:35:12.297 run in there too, and you know, really fifty what 0:35:12.498 --> 0:35:14.618 nine yards on the ground I think he had in 0:35:14.698 --> 0:35:16.738 this game. You're up over three hundred yards of total 0:35:16.778 --> 0:35:20.218 offense from your quarterback almost so he was very very 0:35:20.218 --> 0:35:20.978 good in this game. 0:35:21.298 --> 0:35:26.018 Yeah, number two Christian Zalez. Yeah, just another excellent game 0:35:26.018 --> 0:35:28.538 from him. That interception should have sealed. It had a 0:35:28.538 --> 0:35:32.458 couple other pass breakups. I think I said this last week, right, 0:35:32.898 --> 0:35:35.178 at what point do we just retire Christian Zalz isn't 0:35:35.218 --> 0:35:37.258 up and just acknowledge it's every week domit. 0:35:37.418 --> 0:35:40.338 Yeah, I'll say this about Christian Goanzalz to all you 0:35:40.458 --> 0:35:42.898 Patriots fans out there. I'm gonna look into the camera 0:35:43.098 --> 0:35:45.418 on the ISO shot right now and say to all 0:35:45.458 --> 0:35:49.018 those Patriots fans out there, go vote for Christian Goanzales 0:35:49.018 --> 0:35:51.778 in the Pro Bowl. Yeah, go smash the vote button 0:35:51.818 --> 0:35:53.658 and go vote for this guy in the Pro Bowl. 0:35:53.698 --> 0:35:56.138 I know the team right now, I know. I know 0:35:56.258 --> 0:35:58.378 the team is struggling. I know that they don't have 0:35:58.458 --> 0:36:00.898 a great record. I know all of that. But he 0:36:01.058 --> 0:36:04.218 is playing at a Pro Bowl level. He deserves to 0:36:04.218 --> 0:36:06.858 be in the Pro Bowl. He deserves your support. So 0:36:06.898 --> 0:36:09.138 go out there and vote for Christian Gonzales for the 0:36:09.138 --> 0:36:12.297 Pro Bowl because he's playing lights out football right now. 0:36:12.978 --> 0:36:17.018 He sometimes has games like this where it just looks 0:36:17.058 --> 0:36:20.458 so effortless and so easy for him. And I don't 0:36:20.498 --> 0:36:23.538 mean to disrespect Alec Pierce or Michael Pittman, who are 0:36:23.538 --> 0:36:27.058 both NFL receivers and are capable guys. It was it 0:36:27.098 --> 0:36:29.378 was light work for Christian Zalez in this game to 0:36:29.418 --> 0:36:32.098 cover those two guys. It was it was a stroll 0:36:32.138 --> 0:36:36.337 in the park and the interception was just a fantastic 0:36:36.738 --> 0:36:39.458 play of route recognition and just driving on the football 0:36:39.538 --> 0:36:42.058 and jumping the pass over the middle of the field. 0:36:42.458 --> 0:36:46.338 He's just been outrageous. He's been great almost every single week. 0:36:46.538 --> 0:36:49.377 He's still only giving up one deep past the entire year, 0:36:49.418 --> 0:36:51.978 that won in London to Brian Thomas Jr. Is the 0:36:52.018 --> 0:36:55.578 only deep ball he's allowed all season long. Into his coverage, 0:36:56.018 --> 0:36:58.538 he's been excellent, and he does it every single week, 0:36:58.778 --> 0:37:01.698 playing almost fifty percent of his downs in man coverage 0:37:01.858 --> 0:37:06.018 and shadowing the other team's best outside receiver every single week. 0:37:06.058 --> 0:37:09.857 Like he's getting you know, Michael Pittman, he's getting Tyreek Hill, 0:37:10.018 --> 0:37:13.818 he's getting Garrett Wilson, he's getting you know, whoever they play, 0:37:13.978 --> 0:37:17.337 he's getting the number one guy, and he's going toe 0:37:17.378 --> 0:37:19.538 to toe with that guy every single week. So you 0:37:19.578 --> 0:37:21.858 can go and take like your zone corners, right, like, 0:37:21.938 --> 0:37:23.818 go let those guys in the Pro Bowl too. I 0:37:23.818 --> 0:37:27.418 guess the guy that shadows him slowers all the way across. 0:37:27.458 --> 0:37:29.857 That's the guy that I'm taking. Well, and I've seen 0:37:29.898 --> 0:37:30.297 this take. 0:37:30.578 --> 0:37:32.897 People have been like, yeah, but he's being targeted a lot, 0:37:32.978 --> 0:37:35.138 and he's six in the league in targets with seventy two, 0:37:36.058 --> 0:37:38.777 he's fifteenth and catches a lad with forty one. Like 0:37:38.858 --> 0:37:43.458 the opposing opposing completion percentage is I think it's it's 0:37:43.498 --> 0:37:44.018 fifty six. 0:37:44.058 --> 0:37:46.498 It's very low. So I don't know, like. 0:37:46.458 --> 0:37:48.338 Why do teams Why are teams throwing in him as 0:37:48.418 --> 0:37:49.898 much as they are, couldn't tell you. 0:37:50.338 --> 0:37:51.058 I don't really care. 0:37:51.338 --> 0:37:53.178 It's awesome as long as he keeps making the plays 0:37:53.218 --> 0:37:56.738 which he's making, like go ahead, waste those back whatever. 0:37:56.858 --> 0:37:58.858 They're throwing a lot at him because he's covering the 0:37:58.938 --> 0:38:00.178 number one receiver, so like. 0:38:00.458 --> 0:38:02.698 These well, but I think people used to like, you know, 0:38:03.058 --> 0:38:06.858 to go back to Gilmour even revis where like teams 0:38:06.858 --> 0:38:09.378 didn't even throw to that receiver, they just left the 0:38:09.418 --> 0:38:12.138 corner alone. Yeah, and I think people are expecting that 0:38:13.418 --> 0:38:17.458 the target number to me is not totally irrelevant. But 0:38:17.498 --> 0:38:22.297 like again, if the passes aren't being completed, then let 0:38:22.298 --> 0:38:23.138 them waste the down. 0:38:23.218 --> 0:38:26.018 I don't really care. I just feel like the target 0:38:26.138 --> 0:38:28.937 number to me is indicative of you're gonna go into 0:38:28.938 --> 0:38:31.578 these games and teams are gonna trying to feed their guys. 0:38:31.738 --> 0:38:34.778 Like even if you're you have a really good corner, 0:38:35.058 --> 0:38:37.858 like if you're going up against Tyree Hill and Jalen Waddle, 0:38:37.858 --> 0:38:40.818 if you're going up against uh, you know, Stefan Diggs, 0:38:40.818 --> 0:38:44.777 if you're going up against whoever, like Calvin Ridley, like 0:38:44.858 --> 0:38:47.018 that's the guy on the other team. They're not gonna 0:38:47.138 --> 0:38:50.338 go the entire game without targeting their number one receiver. 0:38:50.698 --> 0:38:52.938 And when you're playing as much man to man coverage 0:38:52.938 --> 0:38:55.698 as the Patriots are playing, Uh, then I feel like 0:38:55.818 --> 0:38:59.138 that's another you know, thing to to point to that 0:38:59.458 --> 0:39:03.098 those guys are on an island a lot. So it's 0:39:03.138 --> 0:39:05.898 not like there's like doubles or safety help. That is 0:39:05.978 --> 0:39:09.698 also deterring quarterbacks. When quarterbacks see their number one receiver 0:39:09.898 --> 0:39:11.738 one on one with the guy, they're gonna throw them 0:39:11.778 --> 0:39:13.938 the ball. You know, that's the way it goes, all right? 0:39:14.258 --> 0:39:18.897 Third up, Ben Brown, nice, I just Ben Brown shout there. 0:39:19.298 --> 0:39:21.578 You got to Forest Buckner, who's been a Patriots killer, 0:39:21.578 --> 0:39:23.338 and Buckner at a good game, but not against Brown. 0:39:23.738 --> 0:39:25.898 He had Laydon Robinson next to him playing a new position. 0:39:26.018 --> 0:39:28.738 Like remember last time they changed the interior the line. 0:39:28.738 --> 0:39:30.738 He had a really bad game. Yep, so you had 0:39:30.818 --> 0:39:33.258 more movement against a good player he would solid. 0:39:33.418 --> 0:39:34.418 He was solid. Again. 0:39:34.458 --> 0:39:35.938 I don't know what you're sending the tape to Canton, 0:39:36.018 --> 0:39:39.857 but like, I didn't have any real issues with him. 0:39:39.898 --> 0:39:41.817 He didn't stand out to me. It's like, what's Ben 0:39:41.858 --> 0:39:42.337 Brown doing? 0:39:42.458 --> 0:39:42.618 Role? 0:39:42.658 --> 0:39:44.618 Ben Brown got beat there, like he held his own 0:39:44.978 --> 0:39:48.417 and he had tough matchups, so good. 0:39:48.538 --> 0:39:50.178 I thought it was solid performance from him. I also 0:39:50.178 --> 0:39:52.658 have a fourth half up. Okay, yeah, no, I thought 0:39:52.698 --> 0:39:54.578 Ben Brown was good in this game, too, wrote I 0:39:54.618 --> 0:39:57.258 wrote about it, and after further review, I thought, you know, look, 0:39:57.978 --> 0:40:00.698 we keep going here with this offensive line and who's 0:40:00.698 --> 0:40:04.218 gonna play and who's not gonna play, and I understand 0:40:04.258 --> 0:40:06.857 that this is not a fairness business. Yeah, and Cole 0:40:06.898 --> 0:40:09.418 Strange is a former first round pick that the coaching 0:40:09.458 --> 0:40:12.698 staff seems kind of high on playing center, and maybe 0:40:12.738 --> 0:40:16.378 Ben Brown ends up being a casualty because of that. 0:40:16.698 --> 0:40:18.458 But I would just say that Ben Brown does not 0:40:18.538 --> 0:40:19.258 deserve to get. 0:40:19.218 --> 0:40:21.458 Ben No, it would be a shame. And look, they 0:40:21.538 --> 0:40:23.618 need a center down the road, and I'm not saying 0:40:24.258 --> 0:40:29.378 Ben Brown is that player. Is he a good backup center? Absolutely? Yeah, 0:40:29.418 --> 0:40:32.658 and maybe deserves a shot to at least compete for 0:40:32.818 --> 0:40:35.698 the future starting job behind David Andrews. Maybe you draft 0:40:35.738 --> 0:40:38.337 somebody on like Day three, but that's a competition. Uh, 0:40:38.378 --> 0:40:40.297 they got to keep this guy in Fuld. He's he's 0:40:40.338 --> 0:40:42.698 an NFL caliber player and they don't necessarily have a 0:40:42.698 --> 0:40:44.298 ton of NFL caliber linemens. 0:40:44.418 --> 0:40:46.498 So all right, So I had my last up. I 0:40:46.538 --> 0:40:49.018 had a few not like honorable mentions. Yeah, I have 0:40:49.138 --> 0:40:51.378 like an honorable mention because I thought it was a 0:40:51.378 --> 0:40:54.138 good game for several guys on the offensive side of 0:40:54.178 --> 0:40:57.458 the ball. So just quickly on the honorable mentions. Yeah, 0:40:57.538 --> 0:41:00.138 even though he was, you know, in on that interception, 0:41:00.218 --> 0:41:02.018 I thought both tight ends were really good in this 0:41:02.098 --> 0:41:04.897 game and the run and pass game. I just want 0:41:04.898 --> 0:41:07.058 to know a little shout out to Austin Hooper. I 0:41:07.058 --> 0:41:08.378 think Austin Hooper has been great. 0:41:08.418 --> 0:41:10.418 He leads the team in touchdown catches. Yeah, and I 0:41:10.458 --> 0:41:15.338 think he's broke the tie with I don't know Jalen Polk. Okay, 0:41:15.578 --> 0:41:17.498 their leaders are Hooper with three, Polk with two, and 0:41:17.498 --> 0:41:18.418 then a bunch of guys have won. 0:41:18.578 --> 0:41:21.738 I thought that he is he's been really, really solid, 0:41:21.778 --> 0:41:24.297 and I think he's been a really reliable veteran guy 0:41:24.698 --> 0:41:27.337 for some of the younger players in that room as well, 0:41:27.418 --> 0:41:30.258 especially Drake May. I think Drake May gets a lot 0:41:30.298 --> 0:41:34.138 of help from both tight ends Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper. 0:41:34.778 --> 0:41:37.178 I thought Hooper was really good. If you watch the 0:41:37.258 --> 0:41:40.857 Ramandre Stevenson's thirty two yard run early in this game 0:41:40.898 --> 0:41:43.218 on the opening drive, Hooper takes out two guys with 0:41:43.338 --> 0:41:45.938 his block. He gets two guys on that play and 0:41:45.938 --> 0:41:48.378 then he obviously had the touchdown. But the up that 0:41:48.458 --> 0:41:50.778 I ended up going with was Antonio Gibson, who I 0:41:51.098 --> 0:41:55.538 just thought was outstanding for rushes over ten yards in 0:41:55.578 --> 0:41:59.777 this game. Continues to be a darling of the analytics, 0:41:59.818 --> 0:42:02.938 you know, yards after contact, that type of stuff. He's 0:42:03.018 --> 0:42:05.258 third in the league right now in yards after contact 0:42:05.738 --> 0:42:09.178 per rush. He should get more touches. He should get 0:42:09.218 --> 0:42:12.938 more touches in this offense. Yeah, he needs to play more, 0:42:12.978 --> 0:42:15.418 he needs to get the ball more. It's it's funny, 0:42:15.818 --> 0:42:18.938 not any no disrespect to Antonio Gibson, but you look 0:42:18.938 --> 0:42:22.978 at the yards per contact leaders and it's like Saquon Barkley, 0:42:23.058 --> 0:42:26.778 Derrick Henry, and Antonio Gibson, and it's just like, why 0:42:26.898 --> 0:42:28.777 is this guy the one that's not touching the ball 0:42:28.778 --> 0:42:31.777 in this offense? Right? You know, he's making a lot 0:42:31.818 --> 0:42:34.658 of yards. And I would also say that he's a 0:42:34.698 --> 0:42:38.538 really good fit for the outside zone scheme, probably better 0:42:38.858 --> 0:42:40.498 than the other guy, which we'll get to here in 0:42:40.818 --> 0:42:42.538 a little bit. So Antonio Gibson. 0:42:42.578 --> 0:42:45.098 So I had one honorable mention of sex from the defense, 0:42:45.178 --> 0:42:47.817 I believe it or not. I was so ready to 0:42:47.858 --> 0:42:49.898 take a massive victory lap and then he had the 0:42:49.898 --> 0:42:52.498 PI late, which is kind of ticky tack. And that's 0:42:52.498 --> 0:42:56.138 Alex Austin. Alex Austin finally got to play defense, and 0:42:56.178 --> 0:42:58.418 he was good. He looked like the guy we saw 0:42:58.458 --> 0:43:00.338 down the stretch last year that you would hope about. 0:43:00.738 --> 0:43:02.937 He belongs, He belongs in this league, and he gives 0:43:02.938 --> 0:43:04.658 you an option on the boundary. He gives you some 0:43:04.698 --> 0:43:07.578 size and physicality on the boundary that you need watching 0:43:07.658 --> 0:43:10.938 him at the catch point. Marcus Jones isn't giving you that. 0:43:11.058 --> 0:43:13.458 Jonathan Jones isn't giving you that, and against some of 0:43:13.498 --> 0:43:16.738 these teams with bigger receivers, you need it. So again 0:43:16.778 --> 0:43:20.618 he had the PI late that was costly, but overall, 0:43:21.258 --> 0:43:23.578 Alex Austin was good and should continue to play a 0:43:23.658 --> 0:43:24.538 role on this defense. 0:43:24.618 --> 0:43:26.817 Agreed. Yeah, I was really impressed with him. He had 0:43:27.058 --> 0:43:29.978 a couple of really great zone drops in this game. 0:43:30.098 --> 0:43:32.938 One he kind of fell off his man because his 0:43:32.978 --> 0:43:35.698 man went under and cover three and he picked up 0:43:35.738 --> 0:43:38.418 the crosser from the backside of the formation, or actually 0:43:38.458 --> 0:43:40.218 might have been in the strength, but regardless, he picked 0:43:40.258 --> 0:43:42.178 up the crosser from the other side of the formation. 0:43:42.698 --> 0:43:45.178 That's hard to do. Like, that's really good discipline. That's 0:43:45.218 --> 0:43:47.378 really good eye discipline and having your eyes in the 0:43:47.458 --> 0:43:50.138 right places, you know, once your guy drops off and 0:43:50.178 --> 0:43:51.858 you and you kind of pass him off to the 0:43:51.898 --> 0:43:54.858 other underneath zones. I thought he was really good in 0:43:54.898 --> 0:43:56.978 this game. And the p I is you know, a ticky, 0:43:57.098 --> 0:44:00.218 tacky jostling for position type PI. I don't hold out 0:44:00.218 --> 0:44:03.218 against him. A great coverage rep on the quarters call 0:44:03.338 --> 0:44:05.658 to knock the post away like that could have been 0:44:05.658 --> 0:44:08.298 a touchdown without safety help in the middle of the field. 0:44:08.818 --> 0:44:11.458 I agree. I thought he was great. Should play more? Yeah, agreed, 0:44:11.458 --> 0:44:13.778 all right, him and Gibson play more. Go to the downs, 0:44:14.058 --> 0:44:16.058 all right, number one down. We already did this just 0:44:16.178 --> 0:44:18.898 game management. Yeah, just as a whole weird We already 0:44:18.978 --> 0:44:20.897 we did twenty minutes on that. Yeah, but yeah, yep, 0:44:21.178 --> 0:44:22.738 I let you do twenty minutes on that. 0:44:22.818 --> 0:44:24.418 You should be thinking it was important. What are you 0:44:24.458 --> 0:44:26.898 talking about the story? Let me do twenty minutes the 0:44:26.938 --> 0:44:30.138 story of the game. That was the story of the game, Evan. 0:44:30.538 --> 0:44:30.777 I know. 0:44:30.818 --> 0:44:33.418 That's why I had to talk about it. You know, 0:44:34.098 --> 0:44:36.498 has to do his job. You know, it really irked 0:44:36.498 --> 0:44:38.498 me to talk about it, you know, the story, but 0:44:39.578 --> 0:44:42.498 act like it was some like detour that we know 0:44:42.658 --> 0:44:44.777 that was the story of the game. That was the 0:44:44.938 --> 0:44:47.698 story of the game. The story of the game was 0:44:48.658 --> 0:44:52.898 my number one down. And not that he is fully 0:44:52.938 --> 0:44:55.378 to blame. I don't mean to put it all on him, 0:44:55.778 --> 0:44:57.818 but the story of the game was not gonna being 0:44:57.858 --> 0:45:00.377 able to stop the Colts on a twenty play drive 0:45:00.858 --> 0:45:03.418 and that ended with a touchdown that was into Kyle 0:45:03.498 --> 0:45:06.337 Dugger's coverage. And I didn't think this game was as 0:45:06.338 --> 0:45:09.938 egregiously bad for Kyle Dugger as the Miami game when 0:45:09.978 --> 0:45:12.698 I watched it live and I watched the film back, 0:45:12.738 --> 0:45:14.978 and I was like, there's still a lot of Kyle 0:45:15.058 --> 0:45:17.778 Dugger issues on this tape. I just I don't know 0:45:17.818 --> 0:45:20.618 where his head's at, you know, I don't know what's 0:45:20.698 --> 0:45:23.778 going on with Kyle Dugger. I don't think this is physical. 0:45:24.018 --> 0:45:26.978 I think this is mental. And he's a much better 0:45:27.018 --> 0:45:29.178 football player than he showed the last couple of weeks 0:45:29.218 --> 0:45:32.258 since he came back from the injury, and they got 0:45:32.298 --> 0:45:34.337 to get him back on the program, like they got 0:45:34.338 --> 0:45:37.578 to get him back mentally locked in. I thought he 0:45:37.658 --> 0:45:40.897 was late on the crossing route on the touchdown, tried 0:45:40.938 --> 0:45:45.538 to recover, couldn't. I thought he had some other minus situations, 0:45:45.538 --> 0:45:50.098 like they ran that crack taw, that crack sweep quarterback 0:45:50.098 --> 0:45:54.458 sweet play and it was a fourth down play, one 0:45:54.458 --> 0:45:56.578 of those fourth and shorts where they went for it 0:45:56.978 --> 0:45:59.337 and the whole stadium knew what play they were gonna run. 0:45:59.698 --> 0:46:02.378 And he gets walloped on the crack block like this 0:46:02.498 --> 0:46:05.218 doesn't even see it coming. That to me, is not 0:46:05.458 --> 0:46:09.218 a player that's like physically impaired. That's a player that's 0:46:09.258 --> 0:46:13.418 not mentally thinking through the game, right, Like this has 0:46:13.458 --> 0:46:15.978 got to be the call right, so I need to 0:46:16.018 --> 0:46:18.858 get over the top of this block, and instead Michael 0:46:18.858 --> 0:46:22.578 Pittman just clocks him and absolutely takes him out. Same 0:46:22.618 --> 0:46:24.458 thing happened to Jaylen Hawkins, to be fair, So I 0:46:24.458 --> 0:46:27.098 could probably put all the safeties on this list, or 0:46:27.098 --> 0:46:29.738 at least those two guys. So I had Dugger as 0:46:29.738 --> 0:46:33.178 the number one down mainly because they just need to 0:46:33.178 --> 0:46:35.458 get him right, Like, whatever it takes, they just need 0:46:35.498 --> 0:46:35.858 to get. 0:46:35.858 --> 0:46:38.698 I had him on my list as well. You say 0:46:38.738 --> 0:46:40.897 it's mental, I wonder if it's if it's a little 0:46:40.898 --> 0:46:43.498 bit of both, or like to me, he feels like 0:46:44.578 --> 0:46:47.658 when he's on, when Kyle Tucker's on, he's so instinctive 0:46:47.658 --> 0:46:51.178 and his ability to recognize something and then the physical 0:46:51.218 --> 0:46:55.338 explosiveness to plant and react to it, and with a 0:46:55.378 --> 0:46:57.698 bad ankle, I wonder if he just doubts his ability 0:46:57.738 --> 0:47:00.698 to do that, and so he's trying to he's overthinking 0:47:00.738 --> 0:47:03.777 things because he's worried about his ability to just go 0:47:03.818 --> 0:47:06.258 and cut off of it. Yeah, but yeah, I had 0:47:06.338 --> 0:47:07.738 him as a down to for a lot of the reasons. 0:47:07.778 --> 0:47:09.777 He said he just he was at the point of 0:47:09.778 --> 0:47:12.978 attack in on too many plays that the Patriots got 0:47:12.978 --> 0:47:15.458 beat on and he's supposed to be that's supposed to 0:47:15.458 --> 0:47:17.297 be a strength to his So he's got to get right. 0:47:17.458 --> 0:47:19.938 Yep. My number two down is another guy that they 0:47:20.018 --> 0:47:21.777 just need to figure out. They need to get this 0:47:21.858 --> 0:47:24.538 guy right. They paid him. He's a guy that's gonna 0:47:24.578 --> 0:47:28.498 be here. He's not going anywhere. Ramondre Stevenson. I had 0:47:28.578 --> 0:47:31.618 him in this game responsible for I've run stuffs on 0:47:31.658 --> 0:47:35.898 his own, just running into piles, you know, tunnel vision, 0:47:36.018 --> 0:47:39.898 not seeing cutback lanes, not seeing you know, really feeling 0:47:40.258 --> 0:47:42.738 these zone runs like you know, the zone run game 0:47:42.818 --> 0:47:46.658 is a rhythmic play. It's not a downhill play. It's 0:47:46.658 --> 0:47:50.618 a rhythmic play where everything's kind of being concert and 0:47:50.618 --> 0:47:52.378 then the running back is supposed to flow with the 0:47:52.378 --> 0:47:56.258 blocking right and black and cut accordingly. I thought there 0:47:56.258 --> 0:47:58.698 were multiple runs in this game where there was more 0:47:59.018 --> 0:48:03.337 yards to be had that Remandre just wasn't seeing the cut, 0:48:03.378 --> 0:48:07.298 the cutback lanes and the right reads, and Antonio Gibson was, 0:48:07.618 --> 0:48:09.498 which is why he had the big game that he 0:48:09.578 --> 0:48:13.218 had in this game. So whether it's a scheme fit issue, 0:48:13.778 --> 0:48:16.418 whether it's a ball security like that's in his head, 0:48:16.498 --> 0:48:19.778 I don't know. I can't speak to the second one. 0:48:20.178 --> 0:48:22.858 I still I said it when they made this coaching 0:48:22.938 --> 0:48:25.498 higher and they gave her Mare the contract, that this 0:48:25.538 --> 0:48:28.938 is what I was worried about. I'm still worried about it. 0:48:28.978 --> 0:48:31.418 I don't know if he's a great fit for this scheme. 0:48:31.698 --> 0:48:33.778 Let me ask you this, do you think it's possible 0:48:34.138 --> 0:48:36.578 in the way we talk about quarterbacks getting sped up 0:48:36.578 --> 0:48:38.378 when they're facing a lot of pressure. Yeah, do you 0:48:38.418 --> 0:48:40.578 think it's possible for a running back to get sped 0:48:40.658 --> 0:48:44.218 up in the sense that it just hasn't been blocked 0:48:44.258 --> 0:48:46.978 for him all year, so now when there are openings, 0:48:47.058 --> 0:48:48.578 he just doesn't know where to look for him because 0:48:48.618 --> 0:48:51.178 he's so used to just having to evade that defender 0:48:51.218 --> 0:48:52.338 immediately in the backfield. 0:48:52.498 --> 0:48:56.018 It's a really fair point, and I would say that 0:48:56.018 --> 0:48:58.938 that's definitely on the list of reasons why I think 0:48:59.018 --> 0:49:01.258 that maybe he's at this point he's seeing. 0:49:00.978 --> 0:49:03.418 Go like it's impossible that as a running back he's 0:49:03.418 --> 0:49:03.938 seeing ghosts. 0:49:03.938 --> 0:49:06.618 It's just very odd to me, especially with Fermandre, because 0:49:06.618 --> 0:49:10.938 I do feel like he has been a good process 0:49:10.938 --> 0:49:12.618 cerc like he does read well. 0:49:12.618 --> 0:49:14.938 That's the thing that's why I ask you this. It's 0:49:14.978 --> 0:49:17.898 not characteristic of him. Yeah, So I wonder if just 0:49:17.978 --> 0:49:20.018 the we talked about the start of the season how 0:49:20.058 --> 0:49:22.138 egregious the run blocking was, and how he was still 0:49:22.178 --> 0:49:24.418 making so much out of it that he really shouldn't 0:49:24.418 --> 0:49:26.458 have been. Is it possible that that's all just just 0:49:26.498 --> 0:49:27.498 gotten to him at this point. 0:49:27.738 --> 0:49:30.818 Absolutely possible. You know, there's just instances that, you know, 0:49:30.858 --> 0:49:34.258 with this zone run game where it's just really key 0:49:35.178 --> 0:49:38.458 want you know, to make quick decisions, you know, decisive decisions, 0:49:39.178 --> 0:49:42.418 and to really see those cutback lanes forming, Like when 0:49:42.458 --> 0:49:45.618 there's you know, you're reading usually like the defensive end, 0:49:45.738 --> 0:49:48.578 the defensive tackle to the linebacker on the play side 0:49:48.618 --> 0:49:51.298 of the field in that order, and when those guys 0:49:51.338 --> 0:49:53.897 are flowing outside the numbers and they're trying to set 0:49:53.938 --> 0:49:56.297 the edge of the defense, you gotta cut it up, 0:49:56.378 --> 0:49:57.978 like you got to cut it up through the middle 0:49:58.018 --> 0:50:01.258 of the field. And there's just instances where those cutback 0:50:01.298 --> 0:50:03.297 lanes are just right there for him. I'm not saying 0:50:03.338 --> 0:50:05.138 that he's gonna go sixty yards to the house if 0:50:05.138 --> 0:50:08.378 he cuts it back, but instead of going for one yards, 0:50:08.578 --> 0:50:10.578 he might get eight or nine yards if he cuts 0:50:10.618 --> 0:50:13.098 it up the field, Like those are big differences when 0:50:13.298 --> 0:50:15.258 you know you're a team that wants to run the football. 0:50:15.338 --> 0:50:17.938 So I just feel like it's a little bit in 0:50:17.978 --> 0:50:20.178 his head all of it. Probably that a little bit 0:50:20.218 --> 0:50:22.698 in terms of seeing ghosts. I think the fumbling which 0:50:22.698 --> 0:50:24.618 he put the ball on the ground again in this 0:50:24.698 --> 0:50:27.898 game as his sixth fumble of the year, So that 0:50:27.938 --> 0:50:29.938 goes into the grade too, right like that that's a 0:50:29.978 --> 0:50:34.138 downgrade situation as well. So I like Ramandre. I think 0:50:34.138 --> 0:50:36.538 he's a good football player. I think that he's better 0:50:36.578 --> 0:50:38.338 than he's shown as well in the similar boat as 0:50:38.378 --> 0:50:40.378 Kyle Duggar. But it's a guy you paid in the 0:50:40.418 --> 0:50:42.578 off season. So he's gonna be here next year. There's 0:50:42.618 --> 0:50:45.698 really unless they trade him. There's no way out of 0:50:45.698 --> 0:50:48.218 the contract. Right, Like, he's gonna be here, And I'm 0:50:48.218 --> 0:50:50.498 not saying they should cut him either, but like, you know, 0:50:50.938 --> 0:50:53.378 this is your guy, this is your bell cow. You 0:50:53.418 --> 0:50:54.377 got to figure it out. 0:50:54.698 --> 0:50:59.698 Yeah, number three Bearinger, Bryce Bearinger and Joey sly combined. Yeah, 0:50:59.818 --> 0:51:02.138 not even taking the last feel little out of it. 0:51:02.178 --> 0:51:03.498 He's not expected to take that. 0:51:03.698 --> 0:51:04.018 Yeah. 0:51:04.058 --> 0:51:06.578 On the myths, So Joey Slye talked about there being 0:51:06.578 --> 0:51:09.578 a communication error on the twenty five yard miss and 0:51:09.658 --> 0:51:12.538 you see him like immediately after he misses the kick, 0:51:12.578 --> 0:51:16.138 turn around and look at at Bryce. Yeah, and kickers 0:51:16.298 --> 0:51:19.218 use different holds for different kicks depending on the hash 0:51:19.258 --> 0:51:20.538 mark on the distance. 0:51:20.538 --> 0:51:22.058 It can even be like the weather, the wind. 0:51:22.378 --> 0:51:24.058 It might be you know, you're tilting the ball a 0:51:24.058 --> 0:51:25.418 little bit to left, a little bit to the right, 0:51:25.498 --> 0:51:29.417 little background whatever. So clearly something got messed up there 0:51:29.818 --> 0:51:33.858 where the whole wasn't right and that's on both of them. Yeah, 0:51:33.898 --> 0:51:36.738 and to miss it by that much like is bad. 0:51:36.778 --> 0:51:39.578 And you al said Bryce Behinger had a chance to 0:51:39.578 --> 0:51:42.738 really pin the Colts before that going into that nineteen 0:51:42.778 --> 0:51:46.538 play drive instead just hits a thirty eight yard punt 0:51:46.578 --> 0:51:49.538 down to the seventeen that allowed for return as well. 0:51:49.578 --> 0:51:51.698 Didn't even get nine to twenty on that. So I 0:51:51.738 --> 0:51:54.778 thought those two guys there were some issues. 0:51:55.018 --> 0:51:59.138 Yeah, Bryce Berenger, you're the punter guy, so I'll let 0:51:59.218 --> 0:52:02.258 you answer this. But kind of feels like he's had 0:52:02.298 --> 0:52:07.098 a bad year. Is that. I don't want to go here. 0:52:07.378 --> 0:52:10.058 But it's not quite as bad as Jake Bailey. 0:52:10.138 --> 0:52:14.418 No, but he had the one in Jacksonville where he 0:52:14.778 --> 0:52:16.978 hits the crap out of the ball, Yeah, and overkicked 0:52:16.978 --> 0:52:19.138 out cases covered and the Jacks return it. 0:52:19.258 --> 0:52:19.498 Yeah. 0:52:19.498 --> 0:52:23.698 And it feels like since then he's been like almost 0:52:23.738 --> 0:52:26.337 taking something off to make sure he doesn't out kick 0:52:26.378 --> 0:52:28.777 his coverage. And it's now he's maybe taking a little 0:52:28.778 --> 0:52:30.818 too much off, right, So he might he might need 0:52:30.858 --> 0:52:31.858 a little bit of a reset there. 0:52:31.858 --> 0:52:32.098 I mean that. 0:52:32.258 --> 0:52:34.578 Look, I'm not expecting even to pin them inside the 0:52:34.658 --> 0:52:38.538 three with that kick, especially in those conditions, but to 0:52:38.618 --> 0:52:41.138 the seventeen from where they were, he could do a 0:52:41.138 --> 0:52:41.777 little better than that. 0:52:42.018 --> 0:52:46.538 Yeah, all right, last one, Laden Robinson. I didn't think 0:52:46.578 --> 0:52:49.458 he was terrible, but I just didn't think it was. 0:52:49.738 --> 0:52:53.818 It was quite good enough. Still, I would say I 0:52:53.938 --> 0:52:57.058 had him with four pressures allowed in this game. He 0:52:57.098 --> 0:53:00.058 obviously got called for both holds. Two of the pressures 0:53:00.058 --> 0:53:04.897 again come on like line stunts, like postline movement one. 0:53:05.018 --> 0:53:07.938 He he he went to the linebacker coming from the 0:53:07.938 --> 0:53:10.498 second level when he had Remandre and Blitz pick up 0:53:10.578 --> 0:53:14.058 like usually you talk, you think back on backer, right, 0:53:14.098 --> 0:53:16.898 like the running back has has the linebacker and then 0:53:16.938 --> 0:53:19.937 you block the big guys up front. So I thought 0:53:19.938 --> 0:53:23.857 that was on him. And you just keep going through 0:53:23.858 --> 0:53:25.898 some of these pressures like some of the ones against 0:53:25.898 --> 0:53:28.058 you gave up a pressure against Buckner, Like I'm not 0:53:28.058 --> 0:53:30.698 gonna kill him for it against the player like that, 0:53:30.818 --> 0:53:33.777 But some of these line movements and things like that, Uh, 0:53:33.978 --> 0:53:36.098 this is why Michael Jordan got benched just because he 0:53:36.098 --> 0:53:38.458 couldn't pick up stunts. So if the next guy can't 0:53:38.458 --> 0:53:41.258 pick up a stunt either, then I start to think about, II, 0:53:41.338 --> 0:53:43.498 what are we coaching these guys on these things? Right? Like, 0:53:43.538 --> 0:53:46.298 how are we preparing these guys for line movement and 0:53:46.378 --> 0:53:49.698 picks and games and things like that, the defensive lines, 0:53:49.778 --> 0:53:52.218 like the play up front. So I did see some 0:53:52.298 --> 0:53:54.857 of the physicality, like I can see where girod Mayo 0:53:54.978 --> 0:53:56.978 is coming from that that he's a physical guy and 0:53:57.258 --> 0:53:59.538 he moves people on the line of scrimmage. But the 0:53:59.578 --> 0:54:01.618 pass pro has still got a long way to go. 0:54:01.818 --> 0:54:04.898 So yeah, I had him as number three on the downs. 0:54:04.938 --> 0:54:07.777 All right. So there's there's the Colts. I hope you 0:54:07.858 --> 0:54:10.138 enjoyed it. Fun game. It was a fun game. It 0:54:10.178 --> 0:54:12.498 was a game. It was a fun I enjoyed that game. Yeah, 0:54:12.578 --> 0:54:16.018 I agree, let's take these calls and then we'll get 0:54:16.098 --> 0:54:18.978 right into the draft, and get right into the draft. 0:54:20.418 --> 0:54:22.498 I know I keep teasing it, but before we take 0:54:22.538 --> 0:54:25.498 the calls, I gotta do do some homework here. 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I'm 0:55:07.058 --> 0:55:09.738 glad you guys just talking draft. I wanted to throw 0:55:09.978 --> 0:55:13.458 a quick draft question out there for you guys, more 0:55:13.498 --> 0:55:16.058 specifically to Alex, because I know like you've been paying 0:55:16.058 --> 0:55:18.138 attention a little bit more heaven. I know you're getting 0:55:18.178 --> 0:55:21.018 caught up and stuff. But I brought up this name 0:55:21.058 --> 0:55:24.698 before and I just wanted to get your opinion on this, 0:55:25.258 --> 0:55:30.778 both of you guys. But Josh Simmons, How would you 0:55:30.778 --> 0:55:33.658 guys feel, specifically Alex, that you two haven't How would 0:55:33.658 --> 0:55:35.897 you feel if if we did take take a left 0:55:35.898 --> 0:55:39.578 tackle early, like Will Campbell or Kelvin Banks junior, and 0:55:40.258 --> 0:55:42.498 we took him like if he falls to like the 0:55:42.578 --> 0:55:45.658 fourth round and he's he's just there and he's too 0:55:45.698 --> 0:55:47.538 intriguing to pass up, I mean, would. 0:55:47.298 --> 0:55:47.777 He doubled it? 0:55:47.858 --> 0:55:51.098 Because, like like we've seen this year, we not only 0:55:51.138 --> 0:55:54.738 need talent, we need depth too. And I mean, if 0:55:54.738 --> 0:55:56.498 you take two guys that are got to have good 0:55:56.578 --> 0:55:58.938 high upside, you got to figure that at least one 0:55:58.978 --> 0:56:01.178 of them is going to work out. And I have 0:56:01.898 --> 0:56:07.898 the dream scenario too. Here's a dream scenario. We trade 0:56:07.898 --> 0:56:10.978 with Oakland and now we finished like either top two 0:56:11.098 --> 0:56:15.338 or top three Oakland does or I'm sorry, Vegas, Vegas. 0:56:15.378 --> 0:56:19.538 The Raiders do what the Raiders do, and they trade 0:56:19.618 --> 0:56:25.178 us their twenty twenty sixth first round pick, plus they're 0:56:25.178 --> 0:56:28.018 pick in the second round and their first round pick 0:56:28.978 --> 0:56:32.978 bought first round picks with them. They we take a 0:56:33.058 --> 0:56:35.538 left tackle and Alex, we take one of those second 0:56:35.578 --> 0:56:38.098 round picks. That swap it for day Let's go. 0:56:38.418 --> 0:56:39.458 Yeah, that's that. 0:56:39.458 --> 0:56:42.378 That's that's a perfect scenario and thanks for the call, Patty. 0:56:42.498 --> 0:56:45.337 That is the perfect scenario for me. So Josh simm 0:56:45.378 --> 0:56:46.378 is a really interesting player. 0:56:46.618 --> 0:56:49.138 It's because this this crawls up your backside a little bit, 0:56:49.178 --> 0:56:49.738 which I like. 0:56:50.018 --> 0:56:53.578 So for people who don't know, Simmons is a tackle 0:56:53.618 --> 0:56:56.417 from Ohio State. Uh, he just declared for the draft, 0:56:56.498 --> 0:56:58.538 so he's he's officially coming out left tackle. 0:56:58.578 --> 0:56:58.898 There. 0:56:59.698 --> 0:57:02.698 Good player, and he had a really good start to 0:57:02.738 --> 0:57:04.778 the season. Was viewed as like a top one hundred 0:57:04.818 --> 0:57:10.098 prospect coming in and started moving into that first round range. 0:57:10.578 --> 0:57:14.618 He then tore his ACL. I think was in late September. Yeah, so, 0:57:15.018 --> 0:57:16.738 oh no, it's later in that. It was whenever he 0:57:17.178 --> 0:57:19.618 was October. He didn't play against Penn State, I know that, 0:57:19.698 --> 0:57:22.578 which was so yeah, yeah, okay, So he tore his ACL. 0:57:22.618 --> 0:57:25.658 It was like mid October then, and so there's that 0:57:25.858 --> 0:57:29.138 element of it. So I think a lot of Patriots 0:57:29.218 --> 0:57:31.658 fans see that and see the trajectory he was on 0:57:31.698 --> 0:57:33.858 and see the injury and say, well, okay, we need 0:57:33.858 --> 0:57:36.418 a first round tackle. Here's a first round tackle in 0:57:36.418 --> 0:57:38.378 the second round. So I can still get my shiny 0:57:38.378 --> 0:57:40.258 new toy. I can still get ted McMillan. I can 0:57:40.298 --> 0:57:43.378 still get Travis Hunter, but why is he going in 0:57:43.378 --> 0:57:46.458 the second round? Sure, right, he's coming off of torn 0:57:46.498 --> 0:57:50.018 ACL And could he end up being a good player still, yes, 0:57:50.058 --> 0:57:53.858 of course, but there's significant unknown that comes with that. 0:57:53.898 --> 0:57:55.058 Is it gonna be a good player, He's gonna be 0:57:55.098 --> 0:57:56.578 ready to start the season. Yeah? 0:57:56.618 --> 0:57:58.658 If not, then okay, now you still need to get 0:57:58.658 --> 0:58:00.738 you either run it back to the Darien Lowe or 0:58:00.778 --> 0:58:03.338 you still need to get a starting caliber tackle. And 0:58:03.978 --> 0:58:06.338 you know, we've been down this road with guys like 0:58:06.378 --> 0:58:09.658 Dominique Easley where you're not necessarily gonna get the same 0:58:09.658 --> 0:58:13.058 guy coming off of torn ACL. So for where Simmons 0:58:13.178 --> 0:58:15.738 is projected to go, even after the injury, which is 0:58:15.778 --> 0:58:19.418 top fifty, he's unless you're gonna go tackle tackle, he's 0:58:19.498 --> 0:58:22.218 probably the first tackle you're gonna take. And I just 0:58:23.138 --> 0:58:25.738 it's kicking the can again, Evan. It's another half measure. 0:58:25.778 --> 0:58:29.098 And how many times have we talked about like this 0:58:29.338 --> 0:58:32.138 not they can't keep doing that if they still at 0:58:32.178 --> 0:58:34.218 Trent Brown, Right, if it was like two years ago 0:58:34.218 --> 0:58:35.858 and it's sorry, you got one more year Trent Brown, 0:58:36.338 --> 0:58:39.298 then yeah, it makes perfect sense. But I just think 0:58:39.298 --> 0:58:41.218 for where they are right now. No, now, if he 0:58:41.298 --> 0:58:43.498 falls to the fourth, like Patty said, if you can 0:58:43.538 --> 0:58:46.938 get him down there, absolutely, because he's certainly worth that flyer, 0:58:47.018 --> 0:58:48.338 especially if he's your second tackle. 0:58:48.578 --> 0:58:49.938 I don't think he's gonna fall that far. 0:58:50.018 --> 0:58:52.578 And the reality is, if he does, it probably means 0:58:52.618 --> 0:58:54.298 there were some red flags in the medical check, and 0:58:54.338 --> 0:58:57.098 now we're talking about maybe a Malcolm Mitchell type situation. 0:58:57.778 --> 0:59:00.538 But so I don't hate the player. I think he 0:59:00.618 --> 0:59:03.458 makes sense in a certain situation. I just don't think 0:59:03.458 --> 0:59:06.018 he makes sense for the situation Patriots are in because 0:59:06.058 --> 0:59:08.818 they need a guy that can step in and play, 0:59:09.098 --> 0:59:14.218 and Josh Simmons, for what his upside is, isn't guaranteed 0:59:14.258 --> 0:59:15.778 to be a guy who can step in and play 0:59:15.818 --> 0:59:17.098 starting caliber tackle for you. 0:59:17.298 --> 0:59:19.578 So I agree with everything you said. I think the 0:59:19.178 --> 0:59:22.338 one thing that you know you mentioned that is the 0:59:23.458 --> 0:59:28.138 potential play here, just as play Devil's Advocate, if they 0:59:28.298 --> 0:59:31.818 sign a Garrett Bowles, if they sign a Cam rob 0:59:31.818 --> 0:59:34.658 and sure, then you go ahead and you and you 0:59:34.738 --> 0:59:37.658 throw the dart at Josh Simmons, who A lot of 0:59:37.738 --> 0:59:40.858 people that I trust think that he might be the 0:59:40.898 --> 0:59:43.858 best pure left tackle of the draft. Like the player, 0:59:43.898 --> 0:59:46.618 like not not necessarily the best blocker, right, like you 0:59:46.658 --> 0:59:49.138 know they don't. They don't think he's a better prospect 0:59:49.178 --> 0:59:52.098 than Will Campbell. But because of Will Campbell's concerns with 0:59:52.218 --> 0:59:54.618 arm length and if he's gonna play tackle, you know, 0:59:54.738 --> 0:59:57.378 just the guy that is the best, you know, cut 0:59:57.378 --> 1:00:00.218 from the cloth type of guy to play tackle, it 1:00:00.258 --> 1:00:03.618 would be Josh Simmons. So in my mind, I don't 1:00:03.738 --> 1:00:05.858 hate the plan because this kind of gets to what 1:00:05.898 --> 1:00:08.098 I my sort of big picture thought on the on 1:00:08.178 --> 1:00:10.738 this draft, the top of the draft class. I don't 1:00:10.738 --> 1:00:13.378 hate the plan, but the plan has to come with 1:00:13.778 --> 1:00:17.498 a immediate stop gap and not Venerian Low. It has 1:00:17.538 --> 1:00:20.298 to be somebody better, like a Garrett Bowles, like a 1:00:20.338 --> 1:00:21.058 cam rob. 1:00:21.058 --> 1:00:23.818 Now that's a guy you're giving a premium contract at. 1:00:23.898 --> 1:00:26.498 So yes, are you gonna use? Can they afford? So 1:00:26.858 --> 1:00:29.258 you're not signing Garrett Bowles as a bridge guy in 1:00:29.258 --> 1:00:31.138 the sense that, all right, well, Simms is gonna be 1:00:31.178 --> 1:00:32.498 ready in October, so we're gonna. 1:00:32.298 --> 1:00:35.378 Start here starting no. And my guess, in my mind, 1:00:35.458 --> 1:00:38.538 this team afford to use what's going to be a 1:00:38.578 --> 1:00:40.658 top forty pick if you want to take Simmons, I 1:00:40.658 --> 1:00:42.858 think can this team afford to use a top forty 1:00:42.898 --> 1:00:44.698 pick on a guy that's not gonna play as a rookie. 1:00:46.418 --> 1:00:48.498 What what if he plays right tackle? 1:00:49.498 --> 1:00:52.058 I would rather bowls move that like, no, because now 1:00:52.098 --> 1:00:54.298 you're if he's gonna play left tackle, you gotta develop 1:00:54.338 --> 1:00:56.378 him left tackle. You gotta let him learn to play there. Gain, 1:00:56.498 --> 1:00:58.818 we're crossing wires and we're trying to find ways to 1:00:58.818 --> 1:01:02.338 make a convenient No, just invest in the position. 1:01:02.418 --> 1:01:03.178 It's left tackle. 1:01:03.218 --> 1:01:05.098 It's one of the most important positions on the we're 1:01:05.098 --> 1:01:06.298 going to do you do you disagree? 1:01:06.298 --> 1:01:06.458 Though? 1:01:06.858 --> 1:01:09.258 I don't like can I don't we stop with the 1:01:09.298 --> 1:01:10.978 half measures and getting cute at left tackle? 1:01:11.058 --> 1:01:11.178 Well? 1:01:11.618 --> 1:01:14.538 Yes, but but I'm not getting cute. I'm signing Garrett Bulls, 1:01:14.538 --> 1:01:15.578 who's a franchise. 1:01:15.418 --> 1:01:19.218 Okay, but then if you're drafting Josh Simmons, let him 1:01:19.218 --> 1:01:20.018 work at left tackle. 1:01:20.138 --> 1:01:22.178 I agree, I would let him work at left tackle. 1:01:22.218 --> 1:01:24.498 My only thing is is, like, if he's healthy and 1:01:24.578 --> 1:01:26.618 gets healthy his rookie season and you want to put 1:01:26.698 --> 1:01:29.138 him on the field, then you can always get his 1:01:29.138 --> 1:01:31.018 feet wet in the NFL by playing him at in 1:01:31.018 --> 1:01:34.458 the right side. I guess I just I they've done it. 1:01:34.658 --> 1:01:37.498 In the past, like and look what I don't mean, 1:01:37.618 --> 1:01:41.258 like this pass, like the bad pass. Now it was 1:01:41.298 --> 1:01:43.778 a different past. It was Tom Brady was your quarterback 1:01:43.818 --> 1:01:46.658 and Bill Belichick was your head coach. But Nate Solder 1:01:46.658 --> 1:01:49.298 did this right where Matt Light was still here and 1:01:49.378 --> 1:01:51.938 they had Nate Solder waiting in the wings. He played 1:01:51.938 --> 1:01:53.738 a little six to zero line. He played a little 1:01:53.818 --> 1:01:57.218 right tackle right like they just to get him involved as. 1:01:57.138 --> 1:02:00.178 A road So all right, again, can this team afford 1:02:00.218 --> 1:02:01.698 to use the top forty pick on a guy that 1:02:01.858 --> 1:02:04.778 is just involved and not a full time starter? And 1:02:05.178 --> 1:02:07.778 this also is predicated on the idea, So how how 1:02:07.818 --> 1:02:08.978 long you signing gear Boles for? 1:02:09.778 --> 1:02:13.058 Right that you would get Garrett Bowles on like a 1:02:13.058 --> 1:02:13.738 two year deal. 1:02:14.258 --> 1:02:15.978 I think he's probably gonna get three years. 1:02:16.138 --> 1:02:18.658 Yeah, Well, so I just said it to play Devil's out. 1:02:18.818 --> 1:02:21.618 That's fair enough, good player. I just it. 1:02:21.858 --> 1:02:23.818 They can't afford to use that pick on a guy 1:02:23.858 --> 1:02:25.978 that's not gonna play. 1:02:25.858 --> 1:02:28.338 Fair enough, fair enough? All right? Mark is in Connecticut? 1:02:28.418 --> 1:02:29.858 What's up? Mark? 1:02:30.538 --> 1:02:31.418 Steppy? Bye week? 1:02:31.498 --> 1:02:36.298 Guys, stay New Year. If I don't talk to you, Uh. 1:02:36.778 --> 1:02:38.698 Just had a couple of quick things for you, guys. 1:02:38.858 --> 1:02:41.298 I'm just not happy. Here's the first thing. I'm not 1:02:41.338 --> 1:02:45.698 happy with Girod Mayo with his just non aggressiveness with 1:02:45.778 --> 1:02:48.498 a lot of you know, end of game decisions. And 1:02:48.538 --> 1:02:50.778 I know you guys talked about it earlier, but I 1:02:50.778 --> 1:02:52.618 think you guys were kind of alluded to it that 1:02:53.018 --> 1:02:54.898 he just needs to be more aggressive because what does 1:02:54.898 --> 1:02:57.818 he have to lose with this team this year. I'd 1:02:57.938 --> 1:03:02.138 rather be more aggressive on those type of end of 1:03:02.138 --> 1:03:04.898 game decisions, and I'm just not seeing that. The other 1:03:04.938 --> 1:03:10.338 thing is any possibility of Mike Vrabel coming back here 1:03:10.378 --> 1:03:14.538 and maybe having Girod Mayo take a step down and 1:03:14.658 --> 1:03:17.658 be at d C because I think he needs a 1:03:17.698 --> 1:03:23.098 little more grooming in that area as well. And DeMarcus Cummington. 1:03:23.698 --> 1:03:26.378 I like the guy, but I don't think that he's 1:03:26.458 --> 1:03:28.458 a d C right now. So I don't know why 1:03:28.578 --> 1:03:32.058 Gerard isn't getting more of his hand on that defense 1:03:32.578 --> 1:03:35.898 right now. And then the other thing for the draft, Alex, 1:03:36.138 --> 1:03:38.538 tell me what you think. I know everybody likes Trevor, 1:03:39.098 --> 1:03:44.338 Trevor Hunt, Travis Hunter. I love the Mike Evans replica 1:03:44.898 --> 1:03:48.738 t Mac. What do you think about t Mac in that? Uh, 1:03:48.938 --> 1:03:51.138 you know, top five pick that we would have. What's 1:03:51.178 --> 1:03:52.098 your thought on that, Alex? 1:03:52.498 --> 1:03:54.858 Thanks for the call. Mark. We're gonna get the team where. 1:03:54.858 --> 1:03:58.498 We'll get to that in a second. Yeah, unvariable. Look, 1:03:58.578 --> 1:04:01.258 Girodmeo is not getting demoted, right, that doesn't happen. Nobody's 1:04:01.258 --> 1:04:03.418 getting I've seen that. Well. Can you demote Alex van 1:04:03.458 --> 1:04:04.778 Pelt to quarterbacks coach? Like it? 1:04:04.898 --> 1:04:06.978 Actually, when I say it never happens, it sort of 1:04:07.018 --> 1:04:09.778 happened with Matt grow but that was incredibly rare. 1:04:09.978 --> 1:04:12.938 No, and now his front office. You don't take a 1:04:13.018 --> 1:04:15.458 head coach and demote him to defensive coordinator. 1:04:15.578 --> 1:04:15.698 Right. 1:04:15.818 --> 1:04:18.578 You might take play calling duties from a coordinator, which 1:04:18.618 --> 1:04:20.738 I guess is sort of a demotion, but you don't 1:04:20.778 --> 1:04:21.258 do that at the. 1:04:21.298 --> 1:04:24.898 Head No, you don't. It's even super Who is it 1:04:24.978 --> 1:04:26.218 as back where he is it? 1:04:26.498 --> 1:04:27.658 Raheem Morris? Yeah? 1:04:27.898 --> 1:04:30.658 Is back where he coached as the DC now the 1:04:30.698 --> 1:04:31.138 head coach? 1:04:31.218 --> 1:04:33.458 Yeah? Uh no, he's the head coach there? Who am 1:04:33.458 --> 1:04:36.698 I thinking of? Were he Morris is in Atlanta? Yeah? 1:04:36.738 --> 1:04:37.898 But isn't a head coach? Yeah? 1:04:38.298 --> 1:04:41.618 No, there's somebody in the league. Is the DC somewhere 1:04:41.618 --> 1:04:43.458 where they had been ahead coach and gotten fired? 1:04:44.778 --> 1:04:47.898 Oh? I, oh, yeah, who are you talking about? This 1:04:47.978 --> 1:04:48.618 is gonna bug me. 1:04:49.018 --> 1:04:50.378 I saw it the other day and I was like, oh, 1:04:50.458 --> 1:04:56.658 that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, uh it is oh Vance, Joseph Vance, 1:04:56.738 --> 1:04:59.458 Joseph in denvery. Yeah, because he was he was there 1:04:59.498 --> 1:05:01.178 having the time of his life, and then he wasn't. 1:05:01.178 --> 1:05:03.018 And now he's back and having the time of his life. 1:05:03.058 --> 1:05:05.898 Giving up five hundred yards to Jamis Winston is having 1:05:05.938 --> 1:05:10.498 a respect Jameis Winston. Yes, he did have waited. 1:05:10.978 --> 1:05:12.738 The Lord is going to deliver him from pick six 1:05:12.778 --> 1:05:13.538 to either he said. 1:05:13.618 --> 1:05:16.098 James hasn't been throwing pick six as his old NFL career. 1:05:16.138 --> 1:05:17.378 I don't think the Lord's helping him. 1:05:17.338 --> 1:05:21.618 Thirty thirty man, thirty thirty club to the the Rabel point. 1:05:21.698 --> 1:05:24.538 And this is something we talked about a lot last offseason. Yes, 1:05:24.978 --> 1:05:28.138 it wouldn't be moving Mayo down. It would be would 1:05:28.138 --> 1:05:30.858 Mike Vrabel take a kind of head of football opera rations? 1:05:30.938 --> 1:05:31.058 Right? 1:05:31.138 --> 1:05:35.378 I just think that he's so do I we love 1:05:35.498 --> 1:05:38.978 this idea. I love this. It's so dicey now because 1:05:38.978 --> 1:05:41.858 of all the fire that's on girod Mayo. If Rabel's 1:05:41.898 --> 1:05:45.578 here like held, you know, hanging over him all like 1:05:45.858 --> 1:05:47.738 all the fans are just gonna want able to be 1:05:47.818 --> 1:05:49.538 the head coach. You gotta do it best for the team. 1:05:49.578 --> 1:05:51.218 Of having somebody in that roles, what's best for the team, 1:05:51.258 --> 1:05:51.978 you gotta be willing to take. 1:05:52.218 --> 1:05:55.258 I just think it's tough to uh to to put 1:05:55.818 --> 1:05:58.618 Girod in that situation. What if it's not Rabel, Like, 1:05:58.658 --> 1:06:00.538 I still think hiring somebody in that role. I remember 1:06:00.538 --> 1:06:03.458 it's for for Wolf and grow too. Yeah, Like, I 1:06:03.938 --> 1:06:06.338 still think there'd be value in adding that role. Yeah, 1:06:06.338 --> 1:06:07.938 I'm not gonna lie. You know, when I was watching 1:06:07.978 --> 1:06:11.738 Monday night football, it was a good game. It was 1:06:11.738 --> 1:06:15.738 Monday Night, right, yeahs Browns and uh, they panned to 1:06:15.818 --> 1:06:18.498 the to the brown sideline and Rabel was just standing 1:06:18.578 --> 1:06:21.178 there on the sideline and I did do a double 1:06:21.218 --> 1:06:24.978 take of like, in an alternate universe like this, this 1:06:25.098 --> 1:06:28.458 could have been different. Uh, but I you know, look 1:06:28.498 --> 1:06:32.018 at it isn't. So that's where we're at. But no, 1:06:32.218 --> 1:06:34.818 I I don't think they I don't like the idea 1:06:36.018 --> 1:06:38.298 of bringing Rabel in now because of how year one 1:06:38.378 --> 1:06:40.418 has gone for Girad MAO. I think that would be 1:06:40.978 --> 1:06:43.018 that would be tough. You know, I was talking to 1:06:43.098 --> 1:06:45.818 somebody off the air yesterday about this, uh, you know, 1:06:45.978 --> 1:06:49.578 just about defensive coordinator and names and things, and you know, 1:06:49.658 --> 1:06:52.858 obviously like Brian Flores, right, Like, I don't know if 1:06:52.898 --> 1:06:54.978 you'd make a lateral move, but I'm just saying, you know, 1:06:55.898 --> 1:06:59.298 Brian Flores is an example. That's another one where can 1:06:59.378 --> 1:07:01.778 you really bring Brian Flores in here? Because then if 1:07:01.818 --> 1:07:03.978 it's still not going well, everybody's just gonna want him 1:07:03.978 --> 1:07:05.818 to be the head coach of the team, right, Josh 1:07:05.898 --> 1:07:08.778 McDaniels on offense, same thing. It's just gonna be you know, 1:07:08.858 --> 1:07:09.338 I don't. 1:07:09.138 --> 1:07:10.858 Know if people a gonna be claaring for Josh McDaniel's 1:07:10.898 --> 1:07:11.298 head coach. 1:07:11.618 --> 1:07:13.338 I think if it goes bad again, I think they're 1:07:13.338 --> 1:07:17.338 gonna be clearing for anybody else. All Right, Reggie is 1:07:17.418 --> 1:07:18.178 in Peabody. 1:07:18.778 --> 1:07:22.978 What's up, Reggie, Hey, guys, big fan of the show. 1:07:23.658 --> 1:07:26.898 Got a quick one for you, guys, is speaking of 1:07:26.938 --> 1:07:30.738 an alternate universe seven If Jamar Chase and Pense Pool 1:07:30.818 --> 1:07:32.698 we're both in this draft, So are you guys taken? 1:07:33.298 --> 1:07:36.058 It's a good question. That's a good question, Reggie. It's 1:07:36.058 --> 1:07:38.178 a good way to segue us as I keep trying 1:07:38.178 --> 1:07:41.018 to get us to the draft. I would take Penne 1:07:41.138 --> 1:07:43.898 Sewel as well. But this is the meme, right and 1:07:43.978 --> 1:07:47.338 this is like part partially the conversation we're gonna have 1:07:47.858 --> 1:07:50.818 this offseason, is the wide receiver or the tackle like 1:07:50.938 --> 1:07:54.138 it's it's kind of similar. I wouldn't put any of 1:07:54.258 --> 1:07:58.058 these players in the Penne Sewel Jamar Chase level. I 1:07:58.138 --> 1:08:01.298 think that one worked out. I mean, the Bengals sort 1:08:01.338 --> 1:08:02.898 of worked out on to a Super Bowl. I suppose 1:08:02.938 --> 1:08:03.378 it worked out. 1:08:03.658 --> 1:08:04.938 Joe Burrow still getting hurt every here. 1:08:05.458 --> 1:08:07.778 That one sort of worked out for both sides because 1:08:07.818 --> 1:08:10.858 they were both elite players, right, Like, you really didn't 1:08:10.898 --> 1:08:14.538 have a wrong answer between those two guys. My biggest 1:08:14.578 --> 1:08:17.817 takeaway as we get into it here with my initial 1:08:17.898 --> 1:08:23.418 draft thoughts, big Day, my big picture thought after watching 1:08:23.458 --> 1:08:27.737 the top of this draft class, and that is Travis 1:08:27.858 --> 1:08:35.058 Hunter both ways, Campbell, Kelvin Banks, Ted McMillan, Abdull Carter 1:08:35.858 --> 1:08:37.657 Uh and I threw in a couple games of those 1:08:37.738 --> 1:08:39.777 Georgia guys too and watched them both at the same time. 1:08:39.858 --> 1:08:43.577 Michael Williams, Will Johnson, and I've already seen Will Johnson 1:08:43.617 --> 1:08:47.817 and Mason Graham a little bit from Michigan's. I've already 1:08:47.857 --> 1:08:49.977 got a pretty decent feel for those two guys what 1:08:50.098 --> 1:08:52.177 they bring to the table. So I've got a pretty 1:08:52.378 --> 1:08:54.098 to the Georgia guys. I'm impressed. Yeah, I got to 1:08:54.138 --> 1:08:55.897 the Georgia guys just a couple of games. I didn't 1:08:55.897 --> 1:08:57.697 do it. I didn't do all my notes on those 1:08:57.737 --> 1:08:59.657 guys yet, but I just wanted to see him move 1:08:59.777 --> 1:09:03.977 and see how they play. Uh. My biggest takeaway from 1:09:04.138 --> 1:09:08.817 watching all these guys was I feel really strongly about 1:09:09.458 --> 1:09:12.817 the Patriots cannot draft based off of need in this 1:09:13.018 --> 1:09:18.378 class because I don't feel like I am pounding the 1:09:18.458 --> 1:09:21.218 table for guys at positions that I know the whole 1:09:21.258 --> 1:09:25.338 world wants them to draft, mainly wide receiver. But all 1:09:25.458 --> 1:09:28.617 these guys, as we go through this process, all of 1:09:28.737 --> 1:09:31.777 them have some wartz. I don't love the top of 1:09:31.817 --> 1:09:34.537 this draft class. On offense. I don't think that there's 1:09:34.617 --> 1:09:37.777 a great class on that side of the football. You 1:09:37.937 --> 1:09:42.057 have guys that are tackles that might be guards, both 1:09:42.098 --> 1:09:46.817 of them frankly for different reasons, but both of them. 1:09:47.537 --> 1:09:51.537 And you have a player in Ted McMillan who I 1:09:51.857 --> 1:09:55.697 just don't see as being on the same level as 1:09:55.857 --> 1:10:00.617 like a surefire top ten pick, like a Marvin Harrison junior, 1:10:00.817 --> 1:10:04.218 a Molak neighbors. Maybe he's a little bit more in 1:10:04.258 --> 1:10:07.177 the same category for me, as like a Roma Dunze 1:10:07.378 --> 1:10:10.258 or a Brian Thomas junior was last year. But I 1:10:10.298 --> 1:10:14.497 would probably have Ted McMillan as wide receiver four at 1:10:14.617 --> 1:10:18.378 best in the class last year. And to me, that matters. 1:10:18.458 --> 1:10:22.737 When you're picking this high. You cannot draft a player 1:10:23.298 --> 1:10:26.977 fourth overall where they stand right now, that is really 1:10:27.058 --> 1:10:29.777 the fifteenth best player in the draft. You just can't 1:10:29.857 --> 1:10:32.857 do it. That's how bad teams stay bad is they 1:10:32.978 --> 1:10:36.577 reach on positions of need. They reach on positions that 1:10:36.657 --> 1:10:39.378 are sexier than other positions just to sell fans and 1:10:39.458 --> 1:10:43.138 to sell their regime on people. That is how bad 1:10:43.218 --> 1:10:47.298 teams stay bad. And I'll give you one example. It's 1:10:47.338 --> 1:10:49.657 not a perfect example because there was another receiver that 1:10:49.737 --> 1:10:52.617 went a couple of picks after that wouldn't would have 1:10:52.697 --> 1:10:55.697 made all this go away. When I watched Ted McMillan, 1:10:56.857 --> 1:10:58.777 the player that I see with him is Drake London 1:10:58.937 --> 1:11:02.537 in Atlanta. Drake London got drafted eighth overall by the 1:11:02.577 --> 1:11:06.018 Atlanta Falcons three years ago in twenty twenty two. I 1:11:06.138 --> 1:11:09.577 want to say it was that was not a good pick. 1:11:11.058 --> 1:11:14.217 I understand that Drake London's an NFL player. I understand 1:11:14.218 --> 1:11:16.777 that Drake Lonnon is a solid NFL player. He was 1:11:16.897 --> 1:11:19.458 not worthy of the eighth overall pick in the draft. 1:11:19.497 --> 1:11:21.418 He's yet to have in a thousand yard season in 1:11:21.458 --> 1:11:25.737 the NFL. I worry that in this draft, if you 1:11:25.897 --> 1:11:29.378 reach based off of need, that you're gonna get an okay, 1:11:29.577 --> 1:11:32.138 but not great. And the Patriots right now need to 1:11:32.258 --> 1:11:34.857 use their top pick on a great player. They can't 1:11:34.857 --> 1:11:38.857 afford okay with the fourth overall pick. It's got to 1:11:38.857 --> 1:11:41.857 be a stud. And whether that stud plays offense, if 1:11:41.897 --> 1:11:45.137 plays defense, he's a corner, he's an edge rusher, wherever 1:11:45.258 --> 1:11:48.777 he might play on the field. I'm in the school 1:11:48.817 --> 1:11:50.697 of thought that they just need talent, man, Like, I 1:11:50.737 --> 1:11:53.217 don't think it matters. I really don't think it matters. 1:11:53.298 --> 1:11:56.857 You have the thirty second ranked defense, you have the 1:11:56.937 --> 1:12:00.298 thirty first ranked offense in DVOA Like. You need help 1:12:00.378 --> 1:12:02.537 on both sides of the football. So if it's an 1:12:02.657 --> 1:12:06.058 edge rusher this year, even though wide receiver might be 1:12:06.497 --> 1:12:08.857 a bigger need to some people, I think this is 1:12:08.897 --> 1:12:10.817 the year that you have to go where the talent is. 1:12:11.458 --> 1:12:13.697 So I don't necessarily disagree with that. 1:12:13.817 --> 1:12:16.617 I just hate the idea of like not supporting Drake 1:12:16.737 --> 1:12:18.017 May with this premium ass set. 1:12:18.817 --> 1:12:21.137 And I'm leaning more toward because. 1:12:21.018 --> 1:12:22.577 Like you said, they need help on offense, they need 1:12:22.617 --> 1:12:26.458 help on defense, they need help everywhere. Yeah, I'm opening 1:12:26.777 --> 1:12:28.777 up more and more to the idea, and the quarterbacks 1:12:28.777 --> 1:12:30.977 aren't helping them. But I'm opening up more and more 1:12:30.978 --> 1:12:34.577 to the idea of like trade down, like wherever they 1:12:34.657 --> 1:12:38.697 are that picks probably not going to be worth the 1:12:38.978 --> 1:12:40.737 player you're getting with that pick is not going to 1:12:40.777 --> 1:12:42.817 be worth the haull you can get in return. And 1:12:43.458 --> 1:12:47.017 a lot of these guys we've talked about, the guys 1:12:47.098 --> 1:12:49.617 that you know you might take there just off of 1:12:50.178 --> 1:12:53.657 best player available. There's other really good players at those 1:12:53.697 --> 1:12:58.657 positions not that far behind. This draft is very There 1:12:58.657 --> 1:13:00.977 aren't a lot of good positions. The positions that are 1:13:01.018 --> 1:13:03.098 good are very good, but there's not a lot of 1:13:03.138 --> 1:13:07.017 good positions. So like, for instance, the one I've been 1:13:07.058 --> 1:13:09.537 big on with this is Mason Graham. Mason Graham's a 1:13:09.617 --> 1:13:13.338 really good player. This is a pretty good defensive tackle class. 1:13:14.098 --> 1:13:16.497 And if you're telling me I can have Mason Graham, 1:13:17.258 --> 1:13:19.218 or I can have two first round picks next year 1:13:19.218 --> 1:13:21.617 in a much better class, and maybe another top fifty 1:13:21.657 --> 1:13:25.057 pick this year and a guy like Dean Walker from Kentucky. 1:13:25.737 --> 1:13:27.817 That's a no brainer to me. I'm taking the Hall, 1:13:28.418 --> 1:13:32.298 So I think that that it becomes I haven't been 1:13:32.378 --> 1:13:33.857 We'll see where Will Campbell's arms are at. 1:13:33.897 --> 1:13:35.017 If he's over thirty three. 1:13:34.897 --> 1:13:37.857 Inches, stretch those freaking If he's over thirty three inches, 1:13:37.857 --> 1:13:39.418 I'm pounding the table for Wial Campbell. I think to 1:13:39.497 --> 1:13:41.897 take Will Campbell, and because at that point, everybody knows 1:13:41.937 --> 1:13:43.537 his arms that long, and he's gonna be that high 1:13:43.577 --> 1:13:45.258 of a pick, right, And I don't think there's many 1:13:45.298 --> 1:13:47.458 other issues with him beyond the armline. The penalty is 1:13:47.577 --> 1:13:50.458 the one thing that make me nervous. But like Ted McMillan, 1:13:51.657 --> 1:13:53.817 I'm almost better off with the Hall. So I'm at 1:13:53.857 --> 1:13:55.577 the point where, yeah, there's some very good players top 1:13:55.617 --> 1:13:57.218 of the board, and you're not moving down that far. 1:13:57.298 --> 1:13:59.098 I'm not saying move down there at four as we 1:13:59.178 --> 1:14:01.617 sit here today, I think right four or five. I'm 1:14:01.657 --> 1:14:03.657 not saying move down from four to twenty, right, But 1:14:03.737 --> 1:14:05.937 if you move down to like four or eight to 1:14:06.058 --> 1:14:09.737 eight or nine, and you add a future first Abdull 1:14:09.817 --> 1:14:12.537 Carter still might be in play at that point, so 1:14:12.697 --> 1:14:15.258 the burden James Pearce might still be in play. Mason 1:14:15.298 --> 1:14:17.177 Graham might still be in play at that point because 1:14:17.178 --> 1:14:18.378 he doesn't play premium position. 1:14:18.577 --> 1:14:20.857 Yeah, this is this is a trade down draft. 1:14:21.058 --> 1:14:21.258 Yeah. 1:14:21.298 --> 1:14:24.058 So the issue though, is that everybody knows it's a 1:14:24.098 --> 1:14:27.537 trade down draft. So you're really gonna have to get 1:14:27.577 --> 1:14:30.058 a team that falls in love with one of these quarterbacks. 1:14:30.098 --> 1:14:32.097 And I do think there's a chance that Shador, Sanders 1:14:32.178 --> 1:14:34.418 and cam Ward are one of those guys. I do 1:14:35.018 --> 1:14:37.338 you know, I was watching Travis Hunter yesterday. I tweeted 1:14:37.378 --> 1:14:39.058 it out like I was really impressed with what I 1:14:39.098 --> 1:14:42.017 saw from Shador and the tape that I was watching 1:14:42.058 --> 1:14:46.697 of Colorado's offense, Like he's got the traits that teams 1:14:46.737 --> 1:14:48.857 look for now that we talked a lot about with Drake, 1:14:49.018 --> 1:14:54.537 like arm talent, pocket poison, mobility, off script ability, just 1:14:54.737 --> 1:14:58.737 general playmaking style that teams covet right now in the league. 1:14:58.817 --> 1:15:02.218 And his processing is a little bit raw. He I 1:15:02.258 --> 1:15:04.617 think the arm talent is probably B plus and not 1:15:04.817 --> 1:15:07.897 a but like all the things are there for him 1:15:07.937 --> 1:15:09.017 to be a really pro. 1:15:09.338 --> 1:15:10.937 I'm gonna give you this is where I said earlier, 1:15:10.937 --> 1:15:12.817 I had a college football playoff take I wanted to give. 1:15:12.857 --> 1:15:14.937 This is where this comes into play, and I'll have 1:15:15.058 --> 1:15:17.458 something up. Oh no, I wrote this today on ninety 1:15:17.458 --> 1:15:20.617 eight five Sports of dot Com. So those are the 1:15:20.617 --> 1:15:22.817 two quarterbacks right now. Should Sanders cam Ward. I don't 1:15:22.817 --> 1:15:24.937 know how much Camward you've watched. You're gonna need to 1:15:24.937 --> 1:15:27.258 watch them because you're gonna need to watch Xavier Restreppo. Yeah, 1:15:27.258 --> 1:15:29.937 he's absolutely gonna be Patriots target. Big fan of is 1:15:30.458 --> 1:15:32.258 wide receiver from Miami. But those are the two guys 1:15:32.378 --> 1:15:36.017 right now. I'm not saying these other quarterbacks have had 1:15:36.058 --> 1:15:38.497 great years because frankly, they haven't. Jalen Milroe has not 1:15:38.577 --> 1:15:40.697 had a good year. Quinn Ewers has been fined, but 1:15:40.737 --> 1:15:44.418 he's been hurt. Carson Beck, I mean, geez, talk about 1:15:44.418 --> 1:15:47.458 a falloff. But there is this new element to the 1:15:47.577 --> 1:15:50.817 draft this year that is the college football Playoff Because 1:15:51.298 --> 1:15:54.937 there are now chances and this applies beyond quarterback, but 1:15:55.058 --> 1:15:58.018 just using it at quarterback, there are now chances for 1:15:58.138 --> 1:16:02.537 players to impact their stocks significantly because when we do this, 1:16:02.697 --> 1:16:04.657 we talk about the games that you have to watch. 1:16:04.897 --> 1:16:07.577 Travis Hunter vers Tech McMillan, we talked about that as 1:16:07.617 --> 1:16:10.617 a matchup, and you're gonna watch that game differently than 1:16:10.657 --> 1:16:13.178 you watch Tech McMillan versus New Mexico, even though we 1:16:13.218 --> 1:16:16.178 put up three hundred four yards three hundred four yards 1:16:16.218 --> 1:16:17.977 four touchdowns. Yeah, but you're gonna watch right, So you're 1:16:17.978 --> 1:16:19.937 gonna watch that game differently. Now, all of a sudden, 1:16:20.018 --> 1:16:23.017 we're gonna have elite players against elite players, two three, 1:16:23.218 --> 1:16:26.258 four more games than we'd usually have. And I go 1:16:26.338 --> 1:16:29.338 back to Michael Pennox last year. Where do you think 1:16:29.378 --> 1:16:31.258 Michael Pennix gets draft? And I know he had the 1:16:31.258 --> 1:16:34.017 fall off against Michigan. Where does Michael Pennix get drafted? 1:16:34.058 --> 1:16:35.577 If you take out the game against Texas. 1:16:36.058 --> 1:16:38.098 Yeah, we talked about this a little bit yesterday. You 1:16:38.138 --> 1:16:41.017 know that's I think a big thing with college football 1:16:41.018 --> 1:16:41.737 playoff in general. 1:16:41.937 --> 1:16:46.017 Right, So, so you have Jalen Milroe, quinn Ewers. 1:16:46.817 --> 1:16:47.218 I'm on it. 1:16:47.298 --> 1:16:49.937 Can I write off Carson Beck as I make this take. 1:16:50.458 --> 1:16:53.537 Car I kind of write off quinn Ewers too. I 1:16:53.577 --> 1:16:55.298 think Quins fine. 1:16:55.497 --> 1:16:59.178 Jalen Milroe absolutely if he goes out and lights up 1:16:59.218 --> 1:17:01.777 because Alabama, for whatever reason, is going to make the playoff. Yeah, 1:17:01.777 --> 1:17:04.017 if he goes out and lights up Oregon, I know why. 1:17:04.098 --> 1:17:05.937 But yeah, if he goes out, he lights it up 1:17:05.978 --> 1:17:08.737 out there, right, Dylan Gabriel, does he have a little 1:17:08.817 --> 1:17:10.217 bow nick'sish sort. 1:17:10.018 --> 1:17:13.218 Of rise during the playoff? And Will Howard all right off? 1:17:13.258 --> 1:17:15.937 The one other name I'll give you, and this nobody 1:17:16.018 --> 1:17:18.298 has talked about him at all. I heard last year 1:17:18.657 --> 1:17:21.817 when people wanted the Patriots, Oh you can pass on Drake, 1:17:21.897 --> 1:17:23.977 May you pass on the quarterback? You gotta get you all. 1:17:23.978 --> 1:17:26.338 You gotta get Marvin Harrison. There were two names that 1:17:26.537 --> 1:17:31.737 came up a ton besides Shedder during that time. One 1:17:32.218 --> 1:17:35.497 Jackson Dart No, oh my god, no Jackson. One was 1:17:35.537 --> 1:17:38.617 Carson Beck He's obviously fallen off. The other one was 1:17:38.697 --> 1:17:41.977 Curtis Rourke from Indiana. Everybody was all hot and bothered 1:17:42.018 --> 1:17:44.178 about Curtis work last year, and I never really got 1:17:44.218 --> 1:17:47.058 a straight answer as to why Curtis Rourke had a 1:17:47.697 --> 1:17:50.977 very under the radar solid season in Indiana. Obviously they're 1:17:51.018 --> 1:17:54.657 going to the playoff, But but now nobody's everybody want 1:17:54.657 --> 1:17:56.617 to talk about him. Last year, nobody's talking about him. 1:17:56.937 --> 1:17:59.897 If Curtis Rourke goes out and leads Indiana to a 1:17:59.937 --> 1:18:03.177 playoff winner, two, he's gonna start getting first round buzz. 1:18:03.617 --> 1:18:05.897 So the college football playoff. 1:18:05.937 --> 1:18:07.338 Remember I said this at the beginning of the year, 1:18:07.857 --> 1:18:09.897 the Patriots aren't taking a quarterback, but we're not done 1:18:09.937 --> 1:18:10.698 doing quarterbacks. 1:18:11.777 --> 1:18:14.458 Gonna be done, No, we're not because time to watch 1:18:14.497 --> 1:18:16.818 all these guys. You just have to watch him the playoff. 1:18:16.897 --> 1:18:21.897 Just because to Jalen Milroe or Dylan Gabriel or Curtis Rourke. 1:18:22.018 --> 1:18:25.737 You want to throw in Will Howard, Carson Beck, Quinn Eewers. 1:18:25.937 --> 1:18:27.977 Does one of these guys have a rise where maybe 1:18:28.058 --> 1:18:31.097 a team goes yeah, take him the top five a quarterback. 1:18:31.098 --> 1:18:32.057 I take him in the top five. 1:18:32.218 --> 1:18:35.418 Yeah. I just really feel I'd be pretty surprised if 1:18:35.497 --> 1:18:39.258 Shador isn't already there as a as a top ten guy, and. 1:18:39.298 --> 1:18:41.098 Cam Ward, I think, are there. It's do one of 1:18:41.138 --> 1:18:43.098 these other guys in college football players join them? 1:18:43.138 --> 1:18:44.897 So you could have that You could have that trade 1:18:44.937 --> 1:18:47.937 down scenario come into play with with those two guys 1:18:47.978 --> 1:18:50.098 I think already. I mean Dan Bruger put out his 1:18:50.378 --> 1:18:52.218 first mock draft and had both those guys in the 1:18:52.258 --> 1:18:54.897 top five. So I definitely feel like I could see 1:18:54.937 --> 1:18:57.857 that happening. But the problem is, you know, like Dane mentioned, 1:18:57.857 --> 1:19:01.258 I believe in the piece, the Jaguars took Travis Hunter 1:19:01.378 --> 1:19:04.138 number one overall, and then he had two quarterbacks at 1:19:04.138 --> 1:19:06.378 two and three, and he just said, look, it's not 1:19:06.617 --> 1:19:08.737 a trade up for a quarterback. That these guys are 1:19:08.817 --> 1:19:11.098 so good that we're giving up hauls to trade up. 1:19:11.178 --> 1:19:14.817 So the Jaguars still got stuck picking a non quarterback 1:19:14.897 --> 1:19:15.258 number one. 1:19:15.298 --> 1:19:18.218 The quarterbacks are are going to be dictated by like, 1:19:18.338 --> 1:19:20.218 that's dictated by where the teams are, and Dane didn't 1:19:20.258 --> 1:19:21.817 do trades, right, But who do you have two and 1:19:21.857 --> 1:19:22.817 three Raiders and Giants? 1:19:22.978 --> 1:19:23.258 I think so? 1:19:23.378 --> 1:19:26.097 Yeah, the order is now so well, those are those. 1:19:25.978 --> 1:19:29.298 Are quarterback teams. What happens if the Panthers end up there? 1:19:29.338 --> 1:19:32.737 What happens if the Patriots there? Like that changes Shouldar 1:19:32.978 --> 1:19:35.897 Sanders and cam Ward are gonna go high. But you know, 1:19:36.298 --> 1:19:38.018 it's not a trade up scenario of teams two and 1:19:38.058 --> 1:19:40.218 three are quarterback teams. If suddenly one of those teams 1:19:40.298 --> 1:19:42.617 isn't a quarterback team, that changes everything, all right. 1:19:42.737 --> 1:19:44.777 So here's what I did down that we've got the 1:19:44.817 --> 1:19:46.378 big picture out of the way, which I want to 1:19:46.418 --> 1:19:50.177 reiterate my stance on this. Do not pick a player 1:19:50.978 --> 1:19:52.657 in the top five who's not worthy of a top 1:19:52.697 --> 1:19:54.378 five pick. That's the worst thing that you can do, 1:19:54.617 --> 1:19:57.777 right like that, that's just you are open to trading down, Yeah, exactly, 1:19:57.857 --> 1:19:59.777 like if you want to trade down. And that's exactly 1:19:59.817 --> 1:20:01.937 how I set this up, right, is I have two 1:20:02.018 --> 1:20:04.057 guys that I watch that I feel like are worth 1:20:04.098 --> 1:20:06.657 the top five pick in this draft is going to be. 1:20:06.737 --> 1:20:08.058 And then I have a bunch of you know, a 1:20:08.098 --> 1:20:10.017 handful of guys that if they were to trade down, 1:20:10.058 --> 1:20:12.657 I'd be cool with taking nine. Yeah, exactly, taking in 1:20:12.737 --> 1:20:13.418 that next wave. 1:20:13.617 --> 1:20:15.378 I wouldn't trade out of top ten because somebody, oh, 1:20:15.418 --> 1:20:16.937 you want to trade down, you don't want me at town. 1:20:17.018 --> 1:20:19.018 No. I wouldn't trade past top ten. No, neither would I. 1:20:19.577 --> 1:20:22.298 So my two guys that are I haven't let's call 1:20:22.338 --> 1:20:25.418 it s t here right at that top of this draft. Uh, 1:20:25.857 --> 1:20:28.617 the best player in the draft, bar none. I think 1:20:28.657 --> 1:20:31.138 it's not particularly close that Travis Hunter is the best 1:20:31.138 --> 1:20:35.178 player in the draft. He is I thought was outstanding 1:20:35.218 --> 1:20:38.258 on both sides of the football. I really did as 1:20:38.298 --> 1:20:41.977 a receiver, the twitch and the athleticism just jumps off 1:20:42.018 --> 1:20:44.458 the film at you what I was most impressed with 1:20:44.537 --> 1:20:46.897 him as a receiver, where his ball skills and his 1:20:46.978 --> 1:20:47.378 feel for. 1:20:47.458 --> 1:20:49.337 Zone coverage almost like he plays corner. 1:20:49.298 --> 1:20:52.058 Really advanced for what I thought I was getting in. 1:20:52.458 --> 1:20:54.657 I thought I was getting into a situation where they're 1:20:54.697 --> 1:20:57.098 just like, he's the best athlete on the field, so 1:20:57.178 --> 1:20:59.977 we're just gonna have him dabble at wide receiver. He 1:21:00.497 --> 1:21:03.098 is starting to kind of learn wide receiver right, Like 1:21:03.178 --> 1:21:05.697 you can see he has a great feel going over 1:21:05.777 --> 1:21:07.577 the middle of the field and he's not afraid to 1:21:07.657 --> 1:21:09.817 go over the middle of the field. He's got great 1:21:09.897 --> 1:21:12.178 hands and ball skills at the catch point. He's made 1:21:12.218 --> 1:21:15.178 some really tough catches at the catch point. And he's 1:21:15.218 --> 1:21:17.338 got a real inate ability. I know he's played with 1:21:17.458 --> 1:21:19.897 him forever, Yeah, but he's got a real inateability of 1:21:19.978 --> 1:21:22.057 working off script with Shador And like, if you get 1:21:22.138 --> 1:21:24.737 that with Drake May then that's really good, right, Like 1:21:24.817 --> 1:21:27.537 that you can have that sort of connection there. The 1:21:27.657 --> 1:21:29.737 one thing that I had against him at wide receiver 1:21:29.897 --> 1:21:32.737 that I just didn't feel that he was like a 1:21:32.897 --> 1:21:37.577 prototypical boundary x receiver, right, Yeah, Like I don't see 1:21:37.657 --> 1:21:40.418 him that way a wide receiver, just because of the 1:21:40.537 --> 1:21:43.617 size and like some of the rawness with his releases 1:21:43.697 --> 1:21:46.338 and things like that. I don't necessarily look at him 1:21:46.418 --> 1:21:49.818 as like a true X, but I think he's outstanding. 1:21:49.937 --> 1:21:53.138 Where's he better? Well, I'll get to my corner. But 1:21:53.817 --> 1:21:56.138 I told you, I tell you when we were recording her, 1:21:56.178 --> 1:21:58.017 before we started. I think it is before we started. 1:21:58.338 --> 1:22:00.057 I told you how I did this. I did pros 1:22:00.058 --> 1:22:02.617 and I did cons and I did a bottom line. Yeah, 1:22:02.777 --> 1:22:06.577 so let me give you corner first. Okay. At corner, 1:22:07.018 --> 1:22:08.897 I feel like he has the opposite problem is what 1:22:08.978 --> 1:22:12.017 he has at receiver. At corner, he is an elite 1:22:12.338 --> 1:22:15.697 boundary corner, not a great slot corner, right, So you're 1:22:15.697 --> 1:22:17.737 gonna play him on the boundary. I think he can 1:22:17.857 --> 1:22:19.577 mirror and match with the best of them in Manta 1:22:19.617 --> 1:22:23.378 man coverage. His feet are exceptionally quick. He's very twitchy 1:22:23.418 --> 1:22:26.017 and smooth through his transitions. He can go out there 1:22:26.298 --> 1:22:29.617 and you can cover top receivers with that cornerback tape 1:22:29.657 --> 1:22:32.218 that he put in coloro. And he's a very good 1:22:32.338 --> 1:22:35.458 flat or like cloud cover two corner, and he'll read 1:22:35.497 --> 1:22:39.018 the quarterback size and he'll jump plays awesome ball hawk like, 1:22:39.178 --> 1:22:42.298 great ball instincts and the ability to you know, click 1:22:42.338 --> 1:22:45.258 and close and really close on the football in a hurry. 1:22:45.897 --> 1:22:48.258 That is it pops off the film, like when he 1:22:48.817 --> 1:22:51.218 has a ball come in his direction and he's got 1:22:51.258 --> 1:22:53.458 to close on something to make a play on the football. 1:22:53.657 --> 1:22:58.097 He is shot out of a canon, unbelievable trade for him. 1:22:58.577 --> 1:23:01.138 He to me, looks like a top five pick in 1:23:01.178 --> 1:23:05.098 an NFL draft should look like both positions. Really is 1:23:05.138 --> 1:23:07.977 how I felt. But at corner I thought he got 1:23:08.018 --> 1:23:10.338 a little bit loose in the slot and then was 1:23:10.418 --> 1:23:12.977 really good on the boundary and receiver. I thought he 1:23:13.098 --> 1:23:15.298 has some issues on the boundary, but is really good 1:23:15.338 --> 1:23:17.937 playing off the liner in the slot. So you gotta 1:23:18.058 --> 1:23:20.817 figure him out, and I know that's your big thing. Yeah, 1:23:20.978 --> 1:23:23.298 my bottom line with him, I have no notes. The 1:23:23.338 --> 1:23:26.617 guy's a stud. The question with him you got to 1:23:26.657 --> 1:23:29.378 figure him out, right, like where is he playing in 1:23:29.537 --> 1:23:30.298 all that kind of thing. 1:23:30.458 --> 1:23:32.418 This is my big take on Travis Hunter. I've heard 1:23:32.418 --> 1:23:34.937 a lot of people say, well, you just draft him 1:23:34.978 --> 1:23:36.937 and then you figure it out, which is really easy 1:23:36.978 --> 1:23:39.937 to say on the outside. You can't that can't be 1:23:40.058 --> 1:23:43.657 the answer. And what is my big draft take among 1:23:43.737 --> 1:23:46.577 all else, the one draft take I always go back on. 1:23:47.218 --> 1:23:50.017 It's nature verse nurture. Drafting the right players only half 1:23:50.098 --> 1:23:52.537 the battle. You have to properly develop him. There's been 1:23:52.537 --> 1:23:54.817 a lot of very talented players that have gone to 1:23:54.937 --> 1:23:58.617 bad situations with bad development plans and bottomed out. And 1:23:58.978 --> 1:24:03.298 Travis Hunter is the ultimate example of this. If he's there, 1:24:03.378 --> 1:24:05.617 you take him because he's that talented. Let me be clear, 1:24:05.697 --> 1:24:07.777 this is not me saying don't draft draft Travis Hunter. 1:24:08.058 --> 1:24:09.977 As much as you want that to be my fast 1:24:10.098 --> 1:24:11.817 You're going on the fence like I'm not going on 1:24:11.897 --> 1:24:12.218 the fence. 1:24:12.857 --> 1:24:15.817 You can't draft him and then say all right, we'll 1:24:15.817 --> 1:24:17.378 take him, then we'll feed You gotta have a plan. 1:24:17.657 --> 1:24:17.857 Yeah. 1:24:18.018 --> 1:24:19.777 Are you gonna try playing them both ways one hundred 1:24:19.777 --> 1:24:22.097 percent time? I don't think that's realistic. Are you gonna 1:24:22.098 --> 1:24:23.418 try playing them one hundred percent of the ways of 1:24:23.418 --> 1:24:24.617 all time? If not, where's he playing? 1:24:24.817 --> 1:24:27.138 Who makes that decision? Is it him? Is it you? Right? 1:24:27.338 --> 1:24:29.058 How is he gonna split up his practice time? What 1:24:29.098 --> 1:24:30.777 are you gonna do about himhysically? Because he does need 1:24:30.817 --> 1:24:33.018 to be bigger, that's that's the one knock that like, 1:24:34.018 --> 1:24:36.298 he has had a little bit of trouble with durability. 1:24:36.338 --> 1:24:38.258 Now he plays their injuries. He's a tough guy, but 1:24:38.378 --> 1:24:41.937 he gets hurt. And at the NFL, the players only 1:24:41.978 --> 1:24:44.378 getting bigger, the hits are only getting more physical, So 1:24:45.378 --> 1:24:47.537 he's not gonna hold up playing both ways. He's just not. 1:24:47.817 --> 1:24:50.378 So do you PLAYM at corner where I think he's 1:24:50.378 --> 1:24:52.577 a better corner. I think he's a very good receiver. Yeah, 1:24:52.777 --> 1:24:54.617 he's a better corner. Do you play M at corner 1:24:54.657 --> 1:24:56.937 where I think he's gonna be a dominant player for ten, twelve, 1:24:57.018 --> 1:24:59.697 fifteen years. Do you playhim at receiver where maybe he 1:24:59.777 --> 1:25:01.737 has more of an impact but now the injury thing, 1:25:01.857 --> 1:25:04.577 the durability comes more to play, and I just I 1:25:04.657 --> 1:25:08.497 don't think he's quite the like ninety nine overall corner 1:25:09.458 --> 1:25:11.418 ninety overall receivers kind of where I'm at with him. 1:25:11.937 --> 1:25:13.057 So I think that's fair. 1:25:13.418 --> 1:25:15.497 It comes down to how much do you trust the 1:25:15.577 --> 1:25:18.017 coaching staff to have the right plan. I think there 1:25:18.098 --> 1:25:19.577 might be more than one plan. If you want to 1:25:19.577 --> 1:25:21.058 tell me we're gonna draft him and play him at 1:25:21.098 --> 1:25:25.057 corner and then kind of Marcus Jones him on offense. Yeah, Okay, 1:25:25.178 --> 1:25:26.817 that's a good plan if you're gonna draft him and say, 1:25:27.018 --> 1:25:28.697 we know he's a better corner, but we want to 1:25:28.737 --> 1:25:30.378 do something for Drake May. We're gonna play him at 1:25:30.378 --> 1:25:33.737 res receiver and maybe against certain receivers and certain matchups 1:25:33.737 --> 1:25:35.897 will put him on defense, right, Like, oh, we have 1:25:36.018 --> 1:25:38.537 to you know we're facing this great receiver this week. 1:25:38.617 --> 1:25:40.857 We want to get him give him a chance. Okay, fine, 1:25:40.937 --> 1:25:43.098 Like that's a good plan too. If the planet's just 1:25:43.338 --> 1:25:44.657 we're gonna get to camp and throw him out on 1:25:44.657 --> 1:25:45.697 the field and see what it looks like. 1:25:45.937 --> 1:25:48.817 No, No, I am out on that. So no, my 1:25:48.937 --> 1:25:52.577 biggest thing with him. Uh And again, if they draft, 1:25:53.058 --> 1:25:54.977 if we get to April and it's and Travis Hunter 1:25:55.098 --> 1:25:57.338 is the pick, I'm ecstatic. I think I think is 1:25:57.378 --> 1:26:00.857 an absolutely terrific football player. So I'm on board. I 1:26:01.018 --> 1:26:02.298 think I agree with you. 1:26:02.577 --> 1:26:04.777 I also think he is going to be one of 1:26:04.777 --> 1:26:07.857 the hardest development projects we've seen in the NFL, especially 1:26:07.897 --> 1:26:09.057 outside the quarterback position. 1:26:09.258 --> 1:26:12.817 But I know in the reward is so but but 1:26:12.857 --> 1:26:15.298 there's not much work. There's not much football development that 1:26:15.378 --> 1:26:18.657 needs to be done. It's all about managing it, right, 1:26:18.777 --> 1:26:21.138 like where is he gonna put it goes along the 1:26:21.178 --> 1:26:23.017 same thing, Like I know, but there's not like he's 1:26:23.058 --> 1:26:25.178 not raw as a pro, but even just the day 1:26:25.218 --> 1:26:27.657 to day of it, like to be to be elite 1:26:27.737 --> 1:26:29.497 in college and to be elite and a pros are 1:26:29.537 --> 1:26:31.737 two different things. Yeah, you can go out and just 1:26:31.857 --> 1:26:33.777 line it up, and I mean there's some work that 1:26:33.857 --> 1:26:36.217 goes into it, obviously, but think about all the hours 1:26:36.298 --> 1:26:38.258 and hours and hours of film a guy like Steph 1:26:38.298 --> 1:26:39.338 Gilmour watched. 1:26:39.138 --> 1:26:43.697 Yeah, right to every nuance of his opponent's game every week. Yeah, 1:26:43.857 --> 1:26:46.657 Can you do that and also spend enough time in 1:26:46.657 --> 1:26:48.418 the offensive meeting room where you're still on the same 1:26:48.458 --> 1:26:51.178 page as your quarterback? Can you what happens when you 1:26:51.258 --> 1:26:53.378 do ones versus ones on one first ones in practice? 1:26:53.378 --> 1:26:54.497 So, like you need to. 1:26:54.497 --> 1:26:58.617 Figure that out because that is where you go. You 1:26:58.737 --> 1:27:00.937 go back and forth between getting a good player and 1:27:01.018 --> 1:27:03.338 getting a great player. That is gonna be the difference 1:27:03.378 --> 1:27:05.857 with Travis Hunter. It's gonna be how the coaching staff 1:27:05.978 --> 1:27:08.418 utilizes him and what they ask him to do. That's 1:27:08.458 --> 1:27:10.138 what the pick comes down to. I still take him. 1:27:10.458 --> 1:27:13.258 I still take a good plan. Here's what I would do, Yeah, 1:27:13.458 --> 1:27:16.217 so assuming that he doesn't do any of the college 1:27:16.218 --> 1:27:17.977 All Star games, and I think is a safe assumption. 1:27:18.098 --> 1:27:20.418 Now I'll go I think he's going to the shrine, 1:27:20.458 --> 1:27:22.937 but to like do interviews. I know shador Is, I didn't. 1:27:22.937 --> 1:27:24.338 I don't know if Travis oh I might be thinking 1:27:24.338 --> 1:27:29.897 of Yeah. Uh so let's just say first point of 1:27:29.937 --> 1:27:33.218 contact the combine. Yeah, all right, that's the biggest question 1:27:33.258 --> 1:27:35.258 in the room is what position do you want to play? 1:27:35.817 --> 1:27:39.657 And if the answer is both, then you have to 1:27:39.697 --> 1:27:42.378 be real with them, like you're what you just said, right, 1:27:42.577 --> 1:27:45.497 you can't. We don't feel as an organization. And I'm 1:27:45.697 --> 1:27:49.737 I'm speaking on behalf of the organization, right, I'm just 1:27:49.937 --> 1:27:52.617 is just my scenario. If I'm in the room, I'm 1:27:52.657 --> 1:27:56.378 gonna say to him, we don't really feel like it's 1:27:56.897 --> 1:27:59.137 feasible for you to play both ways. Well, I don't 1:27:59.138 --> 1:28:00.338 want to put words in your mouth. Do you feel 1:28:00.378 --> 1:28:03.097 that way? I don't feel that way. No, you think 1:28:03.098 --> 1:28:04.737 he can play both ways one hundred percent, not one 1:28:04.817 --> 1:28:07.378 hundred percent, but I think that yours. There's a path 1:28:07.458 --> 1:28:09.338 for him to play both ways in some capacity. But 1:28:09.418 --> 1:28:12.097 I say the difference to me between him and Marcus 1:28:12.218 --> 1:28:15.897 Jones is Marcus Jones is a great ball carrier. Travis 1:28:16.018 --> 1:28:19.058 Hunter is good after the catch, but he's not this 1:28:19.298 --> 1:28:23.497 like gadget player goes putting him on offense to play 1:28:23.537 --> 1:28:24.418 actual wide, but it. 1:28:24.458 --> 1:28:27.418 Goes back to putting in the time to have chemistry 1:28:27.497 --> 1:28:28.338 with the quarterback. 1:28:28.577 --> 1:28:31.258 Yeah A, that that's right. That that's my point too, 1:28:31.897 --> 1:28:33.617 is that like this isn't like we're gonna just throw 1:28:33.657 --> 1:28:35.418 him out there to throw a screen to him, right, 1:28:35.497 --> 1:28:37.537 Like this is like he's gonna run routes. 1:28:37.617 --> 1:28:39.378 But that's all the more reason that he needs to 1:28:39.458 --> 1:28:40.697 spend significant. 1:28:40.258 --> 1:28:41.817 Time with you. Yeah, yeah, I'm agreeing with so. 1:28:41.937 --> 1:28:44.058 But he can't do that and spend significant time with the. 1:28:44.258 --> 1:28:46.497 Yeah, I agree with you. So I look at it 1:28:46.577 --> 1:28:50.298 and I say to Travis Hunter, first of all, you 1:28:50.497 --> 1:28:52.937 need to as an organization, you need to pick a 1:28:53.018 --> 1:28:55.178 side with him, Like what side do you think he's 1:28:55.218 --> 1:28:56.338 the best player at? 1:28:56.378 --> 1:28:58.977 Where would you if you're having him focus on one 1:28:58.978 --> 1:28:59.697 where you're putting him. 1:29:00.937 --> 1:29:03.057 I think I agree with you that he's a better corner. 1:29:03.657 --> 1:29:05.577 I think it's more valuable for him to be a 1:29:05.617 --> 1:29:08.737 better receiver. So that's what makes it tough. I'd probably 1:29:08.817 --> 1:29:11.017 draft him as a receiver. Yeah, because if you draft 1:29:11.058 --> 1:29:13.737 him as a receiver and it hits the way I 1:29:13.817 --> 1:29:17.057 think it will, then you have a you have Jamar Chase, 1:29:17.218 --> 1:29:19.298 Like you have an elite wide but he's not that 1:29:19.697 --> 1:29:22.697 X outside. No, But I just mean like it, you 1:29:22.777 --> 1:29:26.057 have a top ten receiver. You have the coverage dictating receiver. 1:29:26.218 --> 1:29:27.058 Yeah, you have your Tuesday, And. 1:29:27.657 --> 1:29:30.378 I feel like that's more valuable than having another shutdown 1:29:30.537 --> 1:29:34.218 corner opposite. I'm with you. So I look at it 1:29:34.338 --> 1:29:37.897 and say I'd play him at receiver. The I was really, 1:29:39.138 --> 1:29:41.937 like I said, I was really surprised, and uh in 1:29:42.018 --> 1:29:46.697 a good way. How instinctual he is already at wide receiver. 1:29:47.338 --> 1:29:49.977 Uh that I was. Again, I just made a big 1:29:50.098 --> 1:29:51.497 leap from last year to this year. I thought he 1:29:51.577 --> 1:29:53.098 was just gonna be mossing guys because he was a 1:29:53.098 --> 1:29:55.218 great athlete. I didn't realize that he was going to 1:29:55.458 --> 1:29:58.537 be going out there and like understanding where to settle 1:29:58.577 --> 1:30:01.777 in zone, yeah, and all that kind of stuff. So 1:30:01.937 --> 1:30:04.657 I developed him at wide receiver. I'd send him down 1:30:04.737 --> 1:30:06.657 at these at these meet and greets, and I'd say, 1:30:06.697 --> 1:30:08.857 we see you as a wide receiver. If you come 1:30:08.937 --> 1:30:11.737 to us, you're playing wide receiver right point blank. 1:30:11.577 --> 1:30:13.298 And then you know what, I think there's room four, 1:30:13.817 --> 1:30:16.338 especially when you get later in the year. Hey, we 1:30:16.577 --> 1:30:19.178 have you know, all right, we're facing the Dolphins this week, right, 1:30:19.258 --> 1:30:22.458 they have Tua and or they have Hill and Waddle. Yeah, 1:30:23.338 --> 1:30:25.138 we're gonna put you out there like fifty percent of 1:30:25.178 --> 1:30:26.378 the time on defense this week. 1:30:26.657 --> 1:30:27.218 And then he has. 1:30:28.857 --> 1:30:31.657 Third down, right or third down and maybe maybe you 1:30:31.857 --> 1:30:34.218 you decrease this role offensively that week a little bit. 1:30:34.338 --> 1:30:34.458 Right. 1:30:34.537 --> 1:30:35.937 I think it's I would do it as a week 1:30:35.978 --> 1:30:37.977 to week thing, but I would have him like in camp, 1:30:38.657 --> 1:30:39.378 you're playing receiver. 1:30:39.577 --> 1:30:41.697 Yeah, So the last thing I want to say on 1:30:41.737 --> 1:30:44.857 Travishun and then we should move. Uh. The other thing 1:30:44.897 --> 1:30:47.257 that I would assume, and this is just an assumption, 1:30:47.777 --> 1:30:49.458 is that he's going to want to play wide receiver. 1:30:49.617 --> 1:30:51.378 I think so because the money is that wide receiver. 1:30:51.817 --> 1:30:54.497 So he's gonna know I can be a thirty million 1:30:54.577 --> 1:30:57.097 dollar wide receiver or I can be a fifteen million 1:30:57.138 --> 1:31:00.377 dollar corner. And knowing his background and knowing the dion's 1:31:00.418 --> 1:31:02.178 in his ear and all that kind of stuff. So 1:31:02.298 --> 1:31:03.857 I think this is gonna work itself out. 1:31:03.978 --> 1:31:05.857 Is I guess we're out going that'd be like, if 1:31:05.897 --> 1:31:08.298 I'm advising him for whatever this is worth, I would say, 1:31:08.537 --> 1:31:10.418 you could be a thirty million dollar wide receiver on 1:31:10.497 --> 1:31:13.217 one big contract, or you can play corner for fifteen 1:31:13.298 --> 1:31:15.857 years and get like four to twenty million dollar contract. 1:31:15.937 --> 1:31:16.057 Right. 1:31:16.298 --> 1:31:21.418 But my one other thing is it's not gonna matter 1:31:21.418 --> 1:31:23.097 because he's going first overall, and I don't think they're 1:31:23.098 --> 1:31:23.977 getting over I. 1:31:23.937 --> 1:31:25.817 Don't know if it's not gonna matter. They could lose that. 1:31:25.897 --> 1:31:27.817 They still have I know, but they have what three 1:31:27.897 --> 1:31:28.777 four teams ahead of them. 1:31:28.897 --> 1:31:30.737 They have three teams ahead of them. They're all one 1:31:30.857 --> 1:31:32.617 loss ahead of them, and that and those teams have 1:31:32.737 --> 1:31:36.777 some head to heads against each other. So it's a 1:31:36.857 --> 1:31:40.777 Giants still, it's possible. Anyways, the Giants still play. They 1:31:40.857 --> 1:31:43.257 play the Ravens, the Falcons, the Colts, and the Eagles. 1:31:43.298 --> 1:31:46.218 That's pretty tough, yep. And then again that's a quarterback team. 1:31:46.298 --> 1:31:49.697 So so uh long, long way to it, you know, 1:31:49.737 --> 1:31:52.218 long way to Grahama's house here on Travis Hunter uh 1:31:52.497 --> 1:31:58.777 Studd No notes yep, great football player, no notes, nope, none, 1:31:59.098 --> 1:32:02.378 film notes no none, none on either side. Like he's 1:32:02.418 --> 1:32:04.577 gonna be good. Like there's things that I can nitpick 1:32:04.897 --> 1:32:06.937 about both things, Like I don't think he's great on 1:32:07.058 --> 1:32:09.777 the outside receiver. I don't think that he's great on 1:32:09.857 --> 1:32:12.218 the inside of a corner. I don't really care. I 1:32:12.298 --> 1:32:15.737 think he's awesome. That's it all right, Next guy, this 1:32:15.897 --> 1:32:19.657 one comes with his asterisk, but just off talent alone 1:32:19.697 --> 1:32:21.897 and watching it on the film. Will Campbell is a 1:32:21.937 --> 1:32:25.017 top five pick in an NFL draft. Okay, he just is. Okay, 1:32:25.378 --> 1:32:28.097 he What I think is the best part about Will 1:32:28.178 --> 1:32:33.817 Campbell to me is he's got that package of foot speed, 1:32:34.537 --> 1:32:37.697 body control power at the point of attack right, like 1:32:37.777 --> 1:32:41.178 he's got it, Like you just watch him move and 1:32:41.298 --> 1:32:44.137 he's explosive out of his stance. He can mirror pass 1:32:44.218 --> 1:32:46.178 rushers on the edge, like some of the clips that 1:32:46.218 --> 1:32:49.178 I posted, what game was that against South Carolina where 1:32:49.178 --> 1:32:51.817 he's just mirroring those guys is just absurd, Like it's 1:32:51.978 --> 1:32:55.418 just crazy how well he can mirror guys on an 1:32:55.458 --> 1:32:58.338 island in pass protection. And he also has a really 1:32:58.458 --> 1:33:00.817 great anchor and like you really don't go through him 1:33:00.857 --> 1:33:04.057 too often either, Like he's he really is very stout 1:33:04.178 --> 1:33:05.897 and like you can just see it right like from 1:33:06.058 --> 1:33:10.618 in his lower half, how stout he is just technically sound, athletic, 1:33:11.138 --> 1:33:11.537 all of it. 1:33:11.697 --> 1:33:12.138 Like he is. 1:33:12.777 --> 1:33:16.617 He's a blue chip offensive line prospect. Of course, the 1:33:16.697 --> 1:33:21.258 astra is the arm light. But I find this whole 1:33:21.258 --> 1:33:25.257 thing to be insufferable frankly about this conversation with Will Campbell, 1:33:25.657 --> 1:33:28.218 because it's almost like knocking the player right for the 1:33:28.298 --> 1:33:31.897 fact that he was not born with longer arms. And 1:33:32.058 --> 1:33:34.338 also I just find it insufferable because I think it's 1:33:34.458 --> 1:33:38.298 way overthinking it with him. And that's why I was 1:33:38.378 --> 1:33:40.218 glad to see that Brugler just gave him to the 1:33:40.258 --> 1:33:43.857 Patriots at fourth overall and didn't overthink that's that freaking pick. 1:33:44.737 --> 1:33:49.057 He to me, Will Campbell is a stud I told 1:33:49.098 --> 1:33:50.897 you earlier that I would have it was a little 1:33:50.897 --> 1:33:54.097 recency biased. I kind of digested a little bit more. 1:33:54.458 --> 1:33:56.338 I probably would still have Joe Alds ahead of him, 1:33:56.418 --> 1:33:58.777 just because of the measurables, Like joeald was cut from 1:33:59.378 --> 1:34:03.138 freaking chiseled yeah, to play tackle right, like six eight 1:34:03.218 --> 1:34:06.298 three thirty thirty four inch arms like just check check, check, 1:34:06.378 --> 1:34:09.298 check check. Will Campbell doesn't do that. But I think 1:34:09.497 --> 1:34:11.617 he would be right there for me. He does besides 1:34:11.657 --> 1:34:14.258 the arms six six three thirty Yeah, he'd be right 1:34:14.378 --> 1:34:17.697 there for me in terms of you know, Alt Campbell 1:34:18.258 --> 1:34:19.697 for Shanu, I think for sure. 1:34:19.737 --> 1:34:21.577 So let's say they end up with a second pick. Yeah, 1:34:21.697 --> 1:34:24.537 Travis Hunter's gone. Yeah, thirty three inch arms he taken 1:34:24.577 --> 1:34:25.017 Will Campbell. 1:34:25.737 --> 1:34:29.138 I can't trade out you. Well, that's an option, but 1:34:29.298 --> 1:34:29.577 you can. 1:34:29.777 --> 1:34:31.338 If you trade out, your probably not getting Will campb 1:34:31.338 --> 1:34:35.178 If he his thirty three inch arms, I'm probably taking him, 1:34:36.018 --> 1:34:37.497 all right, thirty two and seven eighths? 1:34:40.577 --> 1:34:43.418 Is he good? Set the meter? I'm taking him. If 1:34:43.458 --> 1:34:45.258 it's thirty two and seven eights, we're talking about an 1:34:45.298 --> 1:34:46.977 eighth of an inch, And if that's what you're caught 1:34:47.058 --> 1:34:49.617 up on, then your looney tunes. Okay, So I'm taking 1:34:49.697 --> 1:34:51.178 him at an eighth of an inch. But I I 1:34:51.978 --> 1:34:54.937 sigh and I pause because I know that it's gonna 1:34:54.937 --> 1:34:57.697 be insufferable, Like it's gonna be a pain in the ass, 1:34:58.058 --> 1:35:00.777 Right it was. I told you the other day. I 1:35:00.857 --> 1:35:01.617 wasn't explaining this. 1:35:01.697 --> 1:35:04.617 I was giving a take the cutoff. The benchmark was 1:35:04.657 --> 1:35:07.497 thirty four inches until Rashaun Slater showed up and was 1:35:07.537 --> 1:35:11.097 a very good tackle with thirty three inch arms. Will Campbell, 1:35:11.178 --> 1:35:12.657 to me, is the kind of guy that could maybe 1:35:12.737 --> 1:35:15.338 reset the benchmark again. I think he's that talented. Doesn't 1:35:15.378 --> 1:35:17.458 mean every guy with thirty two and seven eighth inch 1:35:17.617 --> 1:35:20.617 arms can play tackle. I think Will Campbell probably could 1:35:20.777 --> 1:35:22.617 if it's like thirty two and a half right now, 1:35:22.657 --> 1:35:27.577 we're talking Peter Skronski territory. Okay, But I have some 1:35:27.697 --> 1:35:28.857 flexibility with Will Campbell. 1:35:28.857 --> 1:35:29.458 I think he's that good. 1:35:29.497 --> 1:35:29.657 Really. 1:35:29.657 --> 1:35:31.537 The only thing that worries me with him because he's 1:35:31.577 --> 1:35:33.737 got the leadership quotient he plays. 1:35:34.418 --> 1:35:35.378 I didn't even mention that. 1:35:35.937 --> 1:35:36.537 I did. 1:35:36.577 --> 1:35:39.258 You got all excited about the seven. So this this thing, 1:35:39.418 --> 1:35:42.258 this is super cool. You usually hate this. No, I'm 1:35:42.497 --> 1:35:45.097 so surprised you're into not because not when it comes 1:35:45.098 --> 1:35:49.218 to offensive lineman, because offense. Playing offensive line is a mentality, 1:35:49.338 --> 1:35:51.617 like you have to have a mindset to play that position. 1:35:52.258 --> 1:35:54.737 And the one of the reasons why I'm swimming over 1:35:54.777 --> 1:35:58.098 Will Campbell is because he he has that like he 1:35:58.338 --> 1:35:59.977 has that intangible quality. 1:36:00.098 --> 1:36:01.777 Well he might be he's probably a nice, kidding person. 1:36:01.857 --> 1:36:02.937 He's a mean, nasty guy. 1:36:03.138 --> 1:36:05.977 He's nasty. He wants to kill you. He wants to 1:36:06.058 --> 1:36:08.617 kill your family. He wants to take your your kids 1:36:08.657 --> 1:36:11.298 out behind the woodshed along with you, Like this guy 1:36:11.497 --> 1:36:14.537 is nasty as tough as nails. And the seventh thing 1:36:14.657 --> 1:36:17.977 is so cool to me because LSU explain the seven. 1:36:18.138 --> 1:36:21.817 So at LSU, the seven is the best playmaker on the. 1:36:21.857 --> 1:36:24.218 Rocket is awarded by the coaching staff. You cannot choose 1:36:24.298 --> 1:36:26.617 number seven, the coaches say at the beginning of every year. Yeah, 1:36:27.018 --> 1:36:28.777 the best playmaker on the offense gets seven. 1:36:28.817 --> 1:36:31.418 Khan had that. I think it's best playmaker on the 1:36:32.218 --> 1:36:34.977 eighteen on defense. I thought Patrick Peterson wore seven. 1:36:35.617 --> 1:36:36.657 Oh there's an eighteen too. 1:36:36.697 --> 1:36:38.657 I forget what that is. Maybe it's best on the team. 1:36:38.657 --> 1:36:40.338 Hang on all Yeah, fine, so I thought it because 1:36:40.338 --> 1:36:42.857 I know Patrick Peterson wore it and Leonard Fournette wore it, 1:36:42.937 --> 1:36:47.418 I think. And to have a program like LSU that 1:36:47.577 --> 1:36:51.097 is just a factory of skill player. You're right, eighteen 1:36:51.218 --> 1:36:53.777 is best leader. Seven is best playmaker either side. 1:36:53.857 --> 1:36:54.017 Yeah. 1:36:54.098 --> 1:36:56.058 So to have a program like LSU, that's just a 1:36:56.178 --> 1:36:58.617 factory of great NFL players. 1:36:58.657 --> 1:37:01.697 As you explained, I give you some sevens Pat Peterson, 1:37:01.737 --> 1:37:05.057 Tyron Matthew, Leonard Fournette, DJ Shark, Jonathan Giles, Grant Delpin. 1:37:05.218 --> 1:37:06.897 Yeah. So not all of them have panned out to 1:37:07.018 --> 1:37:12.057 be fair, but to have LSU give a offensive lineman 1:37:12.777 --> 1:37:15.577 the seven, first time it's ever happened. Best playmaker gets 1:37:15.657 --> 1:37:18.458 the seven from the offensive line, and then he's not 1:37:18.697 --> 1:37:21.298 eligible to wear seven in the game because he's an 1:37:21.338 --> 1:37:24.058 offensive lineman, so he wears it as a patch on 1:37:24.178 --> 1:37:24.697 his jersey. 1:37:24.817 --> 1:37:27.418 That is freaking awesome. That is That is the kind 1:37:27.458 --> 1:37:28.897 of thing you usually roll your eyes in. 1:37:29.897 --> 1:37:32.098 Because not because that's what that's what you want to 1:37:32.138 --> 1:37:35.657 hear when you're drafting an offensive lineman and he's a playmaker. Yeah, 1:37:35.657 --> 1:37:38.298 he's a playmaker that changes your line. 1:37:38.378 --> 1:37:41.298 That's a Pennay soul kind of thing, right, So yeah, 1:37:41.378 --> 1:37:43.777 outside of the arm length, like and I'm willing to 1:37:43.817 --> 1:37:46.097 be flexible there, like I to me, he's the guy. 1:37:46.218 --> 1:37:48.697 The only thing that gave me any semblance of pause 1:37:48.737 --> 1:37:50.058 this year's penalties. 1:37:49.737 --> 1:37:52.017 Yes, that was it. He gets opened up a little 1:37:52.058 --> 1:37:54.537 bit in his past sets, but it's fixable in my mind, 1:37:54.577 --> 1:37:56.298 Like it's it's just a technique thing. I don't think 1:37:56.338 --> 1:37:57.378 it's anything too serious. 1:37:57.537 --> 1:38:00.098 He played three years in the SEC, started as a 1:38:00.138 --> 1:38:03.017 true freshman, started three full seasons. He allowed a sack 1:38:03.098 --> 1:38:05.138 in his first game, He allowed a sack in his 1:38:05.258 --> 1:38:08.258 last game. He allowed one sack the entire time in between. 1:38:08.378 --> 1:38:10.697 Yeah, two years without a sack base, basically two. 1:38:10.657 --> 1:38:13.697 Years in that sack in the SEC. The guy's freaking 1:38:13.777 --> 1:38:14.338 special man. 1:38:14.418 --> 1:38:18.418 Yeah, and I was thirty two and seven ages. 1:38:21.258 --> 1:38:22.817 Like you said, if you're gonna take a guy in 1:38:22.857 --> 1:38:24.857 the top five, he needs to have top five talent. 1:38:25.138 --> 1:38:26.577 Will Campbell his top five talent. 1:38:26.697 --> 1:38:29.017 Yeah, So last thing on Will Campbell, then we'll move again. 1:38:29.777 --> 1:38:32.497 I just look at it to a little bit, and 1:38:32.617 --> 1:38:36.497 I look at Drake and even Christian Gonzales. I am 1:38:36.657 --> 1:38:40.777 all aboard the early declare train. At this point in 1:38:40.817 --> 1:38:44.018 the draft, true junior is coming out. That means that 1:38:44.058 --> 1:38:44.537 you're a stud. 1:38:44.657 --> 1:38:46.937 Well, this class is all true juniors. It's like an 1:38:46.978 --> 1:38:47.977 insane number of. 1:38:48.058 --> 1:38:51.258 Yeah, that means you're the real deal. It didn't take 1:38:51.298 --> 1:38:53.497 you six years in college to get to this point. 1:38:53.777 --> 1:38:56.017 You did it in three and you're already a top 1:38:56.098 --> 1:38:57.178 ten prospect in the NFL. 1:38:57.178 --> 1:38:59.138 There's so many true juniors in this class. It's an 1:38:59.178 --> 1:38:59.657 insane night. 1:38:59.697 --> 1:39:01.298 And I know you love this. It's a little bit 1:39:01.418 --> 1:39:05.298 like Drake too, where like his his sophomore season was 1:39:05.378 --> 1:39:08.378 maybe even better than his junior season. You know, I 1:39:08.458 --> 1:39:11.097 thought Will Campbell last year was like, Okay, this guy's 1:39:11.098 --> 1:39:12.657 going to be a top five pick in the draft 1:39:13.058 --> 1:39:15.218 last year if he was able to come out and 1:39:15.258 --> 1:39:17.977 he was eligible. Now this year, he just did what 1:39:18.058 --> 1:39:18.617 he needed to do. 1:39:19.258 --> 1:39:23.617 I say, Garrett nuss Meyer's a much harder quarterback. 1:39:23.178 --> 1:39:24.657 To block franchise Terris. 1:39:25.617 --> 1:39:28.537 Garrett nuss Meyer has no concept of the pocket. 1:39:28.697 --> 1:39:33.537 It's atrocious. Yeah. Okay, So that's Will Campbell. Yeah, bottom line, 1:39:34.657 --> 1:39:38.458 high level blocker, elite foot speed, body control, but just 1:39:38.577 --> 1:39:41.897 might not be long enough for tackle. That's that's it, right, 1:39:41.978 --> 1:39:43.777 It's just that butt. It's just that butt. 1:39:43.857 --> 1:39:47.057 So the combine technically begins on the twenty seventh. Yeah, 1:39:47.138 --> 1:39:50.017 so that would put offensive line measurements I think March 1:39:50.978 --> 1:39:51.737 March second. 1:39:51.577 --> 1:39:55.058 Yeah, big day circle it. Okay, So here is my 1:39:55.218 --> 1:39:59.418 next wave here, and this is like if the Patriots 1:39:59.458 --> 1:40:02.697 were to trade down, I feel comfortable with drafting one 1:40:02.737 --> 1:40:04.777 of these three players, and I put him in order 1:40:04.777 --> 1:40:05.418 because you know I like this. 1:40:05.617 --> 1:40:07.338 So wait, I know you said you didn't watch him, 1:40:07.418 --> 1:40:08.977 but from what you're familiar with, where do you put 1:40:09.018 --> 1:40:09.617 Will Johnson? 1:40:10.697 --> 1:40:10.857 Uh? 1:40:11.817 --> 1:40:14.537 Probably in this list? Okay. I think the big thing 1:40:14.617 --> 1:40:16.737 that I see with Will Johnson is long speed I 1:40:16.978 --> 1:40:19.458 know that's been something that's come up with people. If 1:40:19.497 --> 1:40:21.218 you're gonna play on the boundary in the NFL, you 1:40:21.338 --> 1:40:22.737 have to be able to run, like you have to 1:40:22.777 --> 1:40:24.298 be Christian Gonzales, like, you have to be able to 1:40:24.298 --> 1:40:27.138 carry everything. Travis Hunter can carry everything. I don't know 1:40:27.178 --> 1:40:30.497 if Will Johnson's like it's not terrible, Like, yeah, but 1:40:30.497 --> 1:40:32.418 it's not. I mean, he was projected as the top 1:40:32.458 --> 1:40:34.857 pick in this draft. Yeah, that's why I ask. Okay, 1:40:34.978 --> 1:40:38.298 so I put I put these guys in order, Uh, 1:40:38.737 --> 1:40:41.458 my next guy on my wish list here, and this 1:40:41.617 --> 1:40:44.057 is the trade down category. Right, So we're going from 1:40:44.138 --> 1:40:46.897 FORDA to eight or nine or ten, and we're drafting 1:40:46.978 --> 1:40:49.737 this guy. I'm not drafting this guy at four. Abdul 1:40:49.777 --> 1:40:53.937 Carter from Penn State. I h I was really impressed. 1:40:54.978 --> 1:40:59.657 My one caveat with it for him is really more 1:40:59.657 --> 1:41:03.378 about them, right Like, are you gonna draft as the Patriots? 1:41:03.458 --> 1:41:03.497 Like? 1:41:03.697 --> 1:41:06.617 Are the Patriots now into up the field rushers? Right? Like? 1:41:06.737 --> 1:41:10.137 Is that now a thing that they're subscribing to? Because 1:41:10.577 --> 1:41:14.897 when I watch when I watched Abdul Carter, his style 1:41:14.978 --> 1:41:18.097 of play is not is not a Belichick style of play. 1:41:18.418 --> 1:41:22.777 He is a up the field, downhill, hair on fire, 1:41:23.218 --> 1:41:26.378 coming around the edge. That's how he plays. If you 1:41:26.458 --> 1:41:28.657 need want a guy to like post up on the 1:41:28.817 --> 1:41:30.817 edge and set the edge of the defense ends and 1:41:30.897 --> 1:41:33.057 hold the point of it like an Anthony Jennings. Right, 1:41:33.497 --> 1:41:36.937 he's not that, But this guy is Matthew jud replaced. 1:41:37.178 --> 1:41:39.097 This guy has twitched up as hell, Like this guy 1:41:39.218 --> 1:41:42.937 is shot out of a cannon. Excellent bend around the 1:41:43.018 --> 1:41:45.897 corner as well, closing bursts to the quarterback. Like he's 1:41:45.937 --> 1:41:48.458 got that ability to corner and just close on the 1:41:48.497 --> 1:41:50.537 quarterback and get him on the ground. Like some of 1:41:50.697 --> 1:41:53.298 the tape that you watch against him, you know, against 1:41:53.657 --> 1:41:56.697 your boy Ursery just kind of ate his lunch. Ohio 1:41:56.817 --> 1:42:03.497 States tackles ate their lunch third Maryland last week was absurd, right, like, 1:42:03.657 --> 1:42:06.257 you know, just every single week, this guy's putting up numbers. 1:42:06.897 --> 1:42:11.977 But like I said, awesome, awesome pass rusher, screamer twitched 1:42:12.058 --> 1:42:15.697 up off the edge, But he's not He's not an eddsetter. 1:42:15.978 --> 1:42:18.897 He's a pass rusher. He's an up the field player. 1:42:19.458 --> 1:42:21.537 Are the Patriots into that sort of thing? And now 1:42:21.857 --> 1:42:24.138 is that a is that a new turning a new lead? 1:42:24.258 --> 1:42:26.897 Well it kind of worked with judea On, so you'd 1:42:26.937 --> 1:42:29.217 have to. But like jud On was a veteran, proven 1:42:29.258 --> 1:42:30.657 player in this league, are you going to have a 1:42:30.777 --> 1:42:31.857 rookie that kind of freedom? 1:42:31.897 --> 1:42:33.897 That's a fair question. The other thing with me, and 1:42:34.018 --> 1:42:35.138 by the way, this is a theme for a lot 1:42:35.178 --> 1:42:37.737 of guys in this draft. Yeah, it's consistency. Like he 1:42:37.777 --> 1:42:40.138 had a pretty pedestrian start to the season and then 1:42:40.178 --> 1:42:43.098 the last month and a half just went on an 1:42:43.258 --> 1:42:46.657 absolute heater even though Maryland sucks in Ohio again, was 1:42:46.737 --> 1:42:49.497 like using their third string right guard as a left tackle. 1:42:49.617 --> 1:42:52.418 But no, he can he can play, he can get 1:42:52.418 --> 1:42:55.697 after the quarterback. He's a modern rusher, something that teams 1:42:55.697 --> 1:42:57.218 are gonna have to decide when they look at the 1:42:57.298 --> 1:43:00.098 edge guys. We talked about this with James Pierce, who 1:43:00.178 --> 1:43:02.857 was the top pass rusher coming into this class and 1:43:02.978 --> 1:43:05.977 had a rough year. It's more extreme with James Piers. 1:43:06.178 --> 1:43:09.418 James Pierce is a pass rush specialist. James Pearce is 1:43:09.458 --> 1:43:11.817 not a three down player. Now, he's damn good to 1:43:11.857 --> 1:43:14.258 getting to the quarterback. But are you going to use 1:43:14.537 --> 1:43:18.657 a top fifteen pick on a guy that is a 1:43:18.777 --> 1:43:19.657 situational player? 1:43:19.897 --> 1:43:22.418 Now? Carter projects more as a run defender. Yeah, he's 1:43:22.458 --> 1:43:24.378 not gonna give you much that he wins, but he 1:43:24.497 --> 1:43:27.017 wins in the run game with quickness. Right, he's gonna 1:43:27.018 --> 1:43:29.378 slip blocks and he's gonna jump gaps and things like that. 1:43:29.458 --> 1:43:31.857 He is the opportunity to become a three down player, 1:43:31.897 --> 1:43:33.137 but he's probably not right away. 1:43:33.378 --> 1:43:34.098 So that's the other thing. 1:43:34.138 --> 1:43:35.697 And it goes to your point about play style, like 1:43:35.777 --> 1:43:38.058 that's gonna come with an adjustment. You just have to 1:43:38.098 --> 1:43:40.338 ask yourself how he projects as a three down player, 1:43:40.378 --> 1:43:43.137 and your your say, whatever team drafts him, whatever team's 1:43:43.138 --> 1:43:46.057 evaluating him, you have to project either how he fits 1:43:46.138 --> 1:43:48.058 the three down player in your defense or do you 1:43:48.138 --> 1:43:51.177 go to the James Pierce extreme and just say, maybe 1:43:51.218 --> 1:43:54.258 he's just a situational rusher, but he's so good, we'll 1:43:54.338 --> 1:43:55.097 use the pick where. 1:43:54.978 --> 1:43:57.937 We use the pick. Had some just unreal moments of 1:43:58.018 --> 1:44:00.458 speed and bend around the edge where like Cackles can't 1:44:00.458 --> 1:44:04.018 even get there, no tier athlete, like just eliting. And 1:44:04.138 --> 1:44:05.897 you can see it too, like you know, not to 1:44:05.978 --> 1:44:08.098 go all weird, but like you can see it with 1:44:08.218 --> 1:44:10.338 the body type, like the lower half, like you can 1:44:10.418 --> 1:44:12.657 just see the explosiveness that he has in his legs 1:44:13.497 --> 1:44:16.857 off the ball. Just a really fun player to watch it. 1:44:16.937 --> 1:44:18.977 And another guy we talked about this, you know, another 1:44:19.058 --> 1:44:21.218 college football playoff guy, right, like you know you can 1:44:21.258 --> 1:44:24.618 see him have have even more good games against good competition. 1:44:24.897 --> 1:44:26.937 They're gonna be the college football playoff, right, pen State 1:44:27.018 --> 1:44:30.537 Penn State? Yeah yeah there so he'll I've and I 1:44:30.577 --> 1:44:32.657 mean there's a chance we get Penn State Texas. Yeah. 1:44:32.737 --> 1:44:35.058 So Kelvin Banks Abdual Carter Right, that's again like that 1:44:35.418 --> 1:44:38.057 game is going to mean so much for both players 1:44:38.058 --> 1:44:42.257 stocks yep, all right. Next on the list, Yeah, TEP McMillan. 1:44:42.777 --> 1:44:46.257 So I like Tech macmillan, I don't love TEP McMillan. 1:44:47.098 --> 1:44:49.138 I don't feel the same way about TEP McMillan as 1:44:49.178 --> 1:44:51.577 I did. Marvin Harrison Junior and Melik Neighbors last year 1:44:52.697 --> 1:44:55.977 not the same caliber. Like you know, look, Marvin Harrison 1:44:56.058 --> 1:44:59.817 Junior wasn't like a burner either, but like when better 1:44:59.857 --> 1:45:02.378 comparison to me, you know you look at in terms 1:45:02.418 --> 1:45:05.338 of body type than Melik Neighbors obviously, but like when 1:45:05.378 --> 1:45:09.058 you would watch you know, Neighbors at LSU, like that 1:45:09.178 --> 1:45:11.577 guy just moves different, right, you can just see it. 1:45:11.697 --> 1:45:13.338 That's what I want to see when I watch a 1:45:13.418 --> 1:45:16.777 first round pick in the top ten at a wide receiver. 1:45:16.897 --> 1:45:18.857 I want to see a guy that is just a 1:45:19.497 --> 1:45:22.338 tier athlete and moves different than everybody else on the field. 1:45:22.697 --> 1:45:25.777 And I just didn't necessarily see that with Ted. And 1:45:25.978 --> 1:45:28.378 I think the biggest thing to me is that you 1:45:28.458 --> 1:45:31.057 have to understand what you're drafting when you draft Ted 1:45:31.178 --> 1:45:33.897 mc millan. And my concern with it is is that 1:45:34.018 --> 1:45:37.338 you're adding another guy to this offense who's not fast, 1:45:37.737 --> 1:45:40.458 like and they already have guys that are are not fast, 1:45:40.537 --> 1:45:44.178 that are just like good possession, like body receivers right 1:45:44.338 --> 1:45:47.817 like contested catch guys and back shoulders and I'm gonna 1:45:48.098 --> 1:45:50.577 run across the middle of the field into zones and 1:45:50.777 --> 1:45:52.857 like catch balls over the middle of the field. And 1:45:53.258 --> 1:45:55.098 like I do like the fact that he can, you know, 1:45:55.218 --> 1:45:57.338 go inside a little bit, Like you can use him 1:45:58.258 --> 1:46:00.777 in the slots some to stretch the seam and to 1:46:00.897 --> 1:46:03.378 run routes from the slot, which I guess can be useful. 1:46:03.497 --> 1:46:06.217 And like the catch radius in the body control is excellent, 1:46:06.338 --> 1:46:09.737 Like he's got that ability back shoulder, high point fade 1:46:09.897 --> 1:46:13.258 work the sidelines, got great feet and you know awareness 1:46:13.338 --> 1:46:16.897 of the sideline canto, those types of things. So I 1:46:17.298 --> 1:46:19.897 see a lot of Drake London. I see a little 1:46:19.897 --> 1:46:21.737 bit of T Higgins in his game. As a way, 1:46:22.378 --> 1:46:24.697 I think Mike Evans is on a different stratosphere. I 1:46:24.777 --> 1:46:27.378 don't think that's a fair comp to anybody. Frankly, it's 1:46:27.418 --> 1:46:29.657 the it's the apex of that sort of player. But 1:46:29.817 --> 1:46:32.258 that's him like truly maxing out. So the question that 1:46:32.338 --> 1:46:35.057 I would just have, and we all know those players 1:46:35.098 --> 1:46:38.577 in the NFL, would you draft T Higgins fourth overall 1:46:38.617 --> 1:46:39.137 in the draft? 1:46:40.617 --> 1:46:44.537 So, I mean the Patriots, given their history at wide receiver, 1:46:44.617 --> 1:46:45.258 you can get that guy. 1:46:45.258 --> 1:46:47.258 I think you would. Now do you do that when 1:46:47.298 --> 1:46:50.577 you can just sign to Higgins? Right? Becomes another conversation. 1:46:50.937 --> 1:46:51.777 Definitely not both. 1:46:51.817 --> 1:46:53.338 I know some people want to see them so too 1:46:53.418 --> 1:46:55.817 a receiver. If you're gonna do that and T Higgins 1:46:55.978 --> 1:46:58.497 is the guy, well, now we're talking about Travis Hunter 1:46:58.617 --> 1:46:59.857 or even maybe Luther Burden. 1:47:01.258 --> 1:47:03.617 I think you're under selling McMillan's speed a little bit. 1:47:04.978 --> 1:47:07.137 He's not a burner. He's not gonna run the four twos. 1:47:07.737 --> 1:47:09.497 He could be a low four to four guy because 1:47:10.178 --> 1:47:14.617 he doesn't he doesn't look that fast because his legs 1:47:14.657 --> 1:47:17.537 are so long. He's got that stride that it looks 1:47:17.577 --> 1:47:21.338 effortless and the most underrated part about his game to me, 1:47:21.378 --> 1:47:24.298 And maybe this doesn't go to straight line speed. He's quick, 1:47:24.617 --> 1:47:26.657 he can get away from defenders with the ball in 1:47:26.737 --> 1:47:29.458 his hands. He's a plus player after the catch. Usually 1:47:29.458 --> 1:47:31.097 don't see that from guys that are six to five. 1:47:31.138 --> 1:47:34.378 And he brings that. I agree, Like he's not slow. 1:47:35.218 --> 1:47:36.057 He's not slow. 1:47:36.098 --> 1:47:38.258 And to the point about they need to add speed, Yes, 1:47:38.258 --> 1:47:40.178 I would like to see them add speed, But I 1:47:40.258 --> 1:47:42.338 don't look at McMillan and say, all right, there's another 1:47:42.378 --> 1:47:44.418 guy that's just gonna trudge around the field. Now he 1:47:44.497 --> 1:47:47.258 has quickness, he can create after the catch. It's not 1:47:47.657 --> 1:47:49.937 This isn't a case of you know a guy like 1:47:50.058 --> 1:47:52.298 Jalen Polk, who you worry about his ability to separate 1:47:52.338 --> 1:47:54.577 and he has to win those fifty to fifty balls. 1:47:54.617 --> 1:47:57.418 Ted McMillan can create separation, but he's not gonna be 1:47:57.458 --> 1:48:00.097 somebody again that you're just gonna have running goal balls 1:48:00.138 --> 1:48:01.777 and expect him to beat the defender every time. 1:48:01.897 --> 1:48:03.338 Yeah, I think that's a fair point. Like I know 1:48:03.577 --> 1:48:05.817 you're right, Like I'm not trying to say he's a 1:48:05.937 --> 1:48:08.218 snail out there. But I just think that when I 1:48:08.338 --> 1:48:11.258 watch him, I don't see a whole lot of three level, 1:48:11.458 --> 1:48:13.378 you know, third level separating what do you see? 1:48:13.657 --> 1:48:15.857 But but and I know people roll their eyes at 1:48:15.857 --> 1:48:17.178 this because here we go again. He's not the kind 1:48:17.178 --> 1:48:18.497 of guy that needs to do that because he can 1:48:18.537 --> 1:48:20.458 win at the catch point. Yeah, but they have a 1:48:20.537 --> 1:48:22.617 quarterback now that can do more to take advantage of 1:48:22.617 --> 1:48:23.098 a guy like that. 1:48:23.497 --> 1:48:24.218 What do you see? 1:48:24.338 --> 1:48:26.418 Where do you see his forty time ranging? Like, when 1:48:26.458 --> 1:48:29.697 you watch him, what do you four or five see? 1:48:29.777 --> 1:48:31.617 I think he can get to the mid four force. 1:48:31.737 --> 1:48:33.817 If he does that, then I like I'd be impressed. 1:48:33.978 --> 1:48:36.737 I think he's a four or five guy. I think 1:48:36.777 --> 1:48:39.497 the best part about Ted McMillan to me is that 1:48:39.577 --> 1:48:42.378 he's a really really smooth athlete for six foot five. 1:48:42.897 --> 1:48:45.497 And when I watch you know guys in the past 1:48:45.537 --> 1:48:48.497 that I haven't like loved at the position, Yeah, Quinton 1:48:48.577 --> 1:48:52.178 Johnston for example, Keon Coleman. So so let me ask this. 1:48:52.258 --> 1:48:54.057 Some people have brought up Quentin Johnston, and you were 1:48:54.218 --> 1:48:56.178 very quick two years ago to say this guy is 1:48:56.218 --> 1:48:58.857 not he thinks he is. How do you see McMillan 1:48:58.897 --> 1:49:00.018 compared to Johnston. 1:48:59.817 --> 1:49:02.458 Much better compared to them, And the reason being is 1:49:02.577 --> 1:49:06.177 that one he doesn't have frying pan hands, which helps 1:49:06.338 --> 1:49:09.698 actually very good. Yeah, and number two is just his smoothness. 1:49:09.817 --> 1:49:12.258 Like the big thing that I was worried about when 1:49:12.338 --> 1:49:16.017 I studied Quinton Johnston and when I studied Keon Coleman 1:49:16.138 --> 1:49:19.057 last year is that they're very robotic in their movements. 1:49:19.058 --> 1:49:21.737 They're stiff, right, And one of the things that I 1:49:21.857 --> 1:49:24.378 learned from Nikhil Harry is when you see guys that 1:49:24.497 --> 1:49:27.657 are like stiff like that and are like they don't 1:49:27.657 --> 1:49:30.897 have a difficult time like sinking and cutting and things 1:49:30.978 --> 1:49:34.017 like that, then you can't add branches to the route tree. 1:49:34.178 --> 1:49:36.977 All it is is jump balls, right, There is no 1:49:37.058 --> 1:49:40.138 other branches. So with Quentin Johnson, like we're seeing that 1:49:40.458 --> 1:49:44.817 in Los Angeles right now, Ted McMillan is not not 1:49:45.218 --> 1:49:48.218 anywhere like that. Like he's a very smooth athlete. He's 1:49:48.338 --> 1:49:50.537 very smooth in and out of his brakes. He has 1:49:50.617 --> 1:49:53.497 some flashes of route release and you know, ability to 1:49:53.537 --> 1:49:56.178 get off the line of scrimmage. He's just not a 1:49:56.338 --> 1:49:59.497 top end, like he's not a game breaker like in 1:49:59.617 --> 1:50:03.458 terms of like that torpetability type of ability with speed. 1:50:04.338 --> 1:50:06.737 But you mentioned the yards after catch. I do agree 1:50:06.737 --> 1:50:08.817 with you there. I think he's faster with the ball 1:50:08.857 --> 1:50:11.737 in his hands, which is interesting, which I do like. 1:50:11.857 --> 1:50:18.458 But to me, he's gonna win. It's gonna be you know, slants, digs, comebacks, 1:50:18.857 --> 1:50:22.777 back shoulders, high points, like that's gonna be his route tree. Well, 1:50:22.817 --> 1:50:24.977 they have a quarterback that's pretty good with that route tree. Yeah, 1:50:24.978 --> 1:50:26.777 but it's not gonna be. I'm gonna just run through 1:50:26.777 --> 1:50:28.617 the defense, right, I will say this. 1:50:28.777 --> 1:50:30.817 So here's how you know it's really drafts. And again 1:50:30.857 --> 1:50:32.817 we're doing the rumored high school forty times. Remember we 1:50:32.897 --> 1:50:34.897 did this to Johnny Wilson last year. I was like, oh, 1:50:34.937 --> 1:50:37.177 he ran a four or three in high school and whatever. 1:50:37.577 --> 1:50:41.857 So Tech McMillan's rumored high school forty time, yeah, is 1:50:41.937 --> 1:50:45.018 four or five flat. Yeah, So okay, But if you 1:50:45.058 --> 1:50:47.458 figured that's high school is also rumored that's high school. 1:50:47.458 --> 1:50:49.218 If he's built on that, can he shave half a 1:50:49.298 --> 1:50:51.257 second off that three. 1:50:51.178 --> 1:50:53.298 Years into college? Yeah? The other weird thing. 1:50:53.537 --> 1:50:55.857 The other weird thing with Tech McMillan. And I'm curious 1:50:55.937 --> 1:50:57.497 to see how people react to this. You kind of 1:50:57.497 --> 1:50:59.577 talked about it with Travis Hunter, but Travis Hunter just 1:50:59.657 --> 1:51:03.978 a different kind of player. So Tech McMillan's quarterback at Arizona, 1:51:04.338 --> 1:51:06.817 And I'm curious, now that you've watched, how you win this. 1:51:07.258 --> 1:51:09.697 Tech McMillan's quarterback in arizona' a guy named Noah Fafida. 1:51:09.897 --> 1:51:13.458 Noah Flafita is a solid college quarterback. This is another 1:51:13.537 --> 1:51:16.577 thing real quick. The rest of that Arizona team terrible. Yeah, 1:51:16.737 --> 1:51:20.458 just Notita's fine. And so consistency is the thing with 1:51:20.577 --> 1:51:23.058 McMillan you're gonna look at with him, but some of 1:51:23.138 --> 1:51:24.937 it is teams would just like triple cover him. 1:51:25.657 --> 1:51:28.018 So yeah, in the quarterback kind of stinks like he 1:51:28.138 --> 1:51:30.617 had one route. I remember that I cut where he 1:51:30.937 --> 1:51:33.418 separates on the comeback and the quarterback throws at ten 1:51:33.497 --> 1:51:33.937 yards over it. 1:51:34.098 --> 1:51:36.338 So but here, So one thing you gotta look at 1:51:36.418 --> 1:51:39.018 Ted mcmillinerson. He was getting all the attention defensively and 1:51:39.098 --> 1:51:41.258 that's why you had these fifty percent of his receiving 1:51:41.338 --> 1:51:42.298 yards came in three games. 1:51:42.418 --> 1:51:42.617 Yeah. 1:51:42.857 --> 1:51:44.378 But the other thing is so Fafita has been his 1:51:44.497 --> 1:51:47.817 quarterback since high school. Yeah, so there's an advanced chemistry there. 1:51:47.857 --> 1:51:49.378 And I'm wondering if some people are gonna look at 1:51:49.418 --> 1:51:51.617 that and say, well, yeah, he looks like such a 1:51:51.697 --> 1:51:54.178 great body control fifty to fifty ball receiver because him 1:51:54.178 --> 1:51:56.258 and Fefida are on the same page. Is he gonna 1:51:56.258 --> 1:51:57.097 have that with the next guy? 1:51:57.218 --> 1:51:59.737 Yeah, they'll definitely see that too, working over the middle 1:51:59.737 --> 1:52:02.737 of the field, like the anticipatory throws that the quarterback 1:52:02.817 --> 1:52:04.657 just knows he's gonna be there and he just can 1:52:04.737 --> 1:52:07.817 fit it into windows like that. Look, I don't hate 1:52:07.817 --> 1:52:09.378 the player, I know it kind of sounds like I'm 1:52:09.418 --> 1:52:12.617 down on him. I just I'm not in love where 1:52:12.657 --> 1:52:14.817 I would be pounding the table at fourth overall to 1:52:14.978 --> 1:52:17.018 draft him, I definitely. 1:52:16.777 --> 1:52:18.338 But if it's him at eight in a future first 1:52:18.418 --> 1:52:20.098 round pick, sure, Okay. 1:52:19.978 --> 1:52:22.378 Yeah, I wouldn't kill him for it. I wouldn't kill 1:52:22.458 --> 1:52:24.378 him a right. We gotta hurry, We got we gotta 1:52:24.418 --> 1:52:27.697 wrap here on drafts. Yeah, so I got two more 1:52:27.737 --> 1:52:32.017 guys or Kelvin Banks, Mason Graham. Yeah, one more guy, 1:52:32.098 --> 1:52:35.537 one more guy, Kelvin Banks. Ok. Yeah, So look I 1:52:35.737 --> 1:52:38.378 like Kelvin Banks. I think you can really move the 1:52:38.458 --> 1:52:40.218 line of scrimmage. I think it's a strong dude. You 1:52:40.258 --> 1:52:43.017 can see that I do think he's got good footwork 1:52:43.098 --> 1:52:45.937 for a guy that size, pretty good in terms of 1:52:46.058 --> 1:52:49.537 technically sound footwork as well. I think the two issues 1:52:49.577 --> 1:52:51.018 that I saw with him on film is that he 1:52:51.058 --> 1:52:55.418 falls off blocks sometimes he has a trouble sustaining blocks, 1:52:55.458 --> 1:52:59.178 and maybe that speaks to some body control issues and 1:52:59.258 --> 1:53:01.777 some hand placement issues, which I guess you could probably 1:53:01.857 --> 1:53:05.097 work through. And then also just watching him against high 1:53:05.178 --> 1:53:08.577 level pass rushers, and this is probably the biggest one. 1:53:09.418 --> 1:53:12.338 He's right on the line of giving up the edge 1:53:12.418 --> 1:53:14.897 a lot of the time, right Like it's getting all 1:53:15.058 --> 1:53:17.617 out to that landmark to get the guy past the 1:53:17.697 --> 1:53:20.777 quarterback at ten yards. It can be a struggle for him. 1:53:20.857 --> 1:53:24.017 Sometimes he's flirting with it, right Like sometimes you see 1:53:24.058 --> 1:53:28.177 throughout the course of the game, it'll be like ten ten, nine, eight, 1:53:28.537 --> 1:53:30.418 eight and a half, you know what I mean, we're 1:53:30.577 --> 1:53:33.458 trying to go down. Uh. And that is why I 1:53:33.537 --> 1:53:35.937 think a lot of people have projected him to move inside, 1:53:36.138 --> 1:53:40.217 because he's kind of this like blocky build, really good power, 1:53:41.098 --> 1:53:43.617 good initial footwork that he's gonna be able to handle 1:53:43.697 --> 1:53:46.697 interior guys. I don't know if he's like a dancing 1:53:46.777 --> 1:53:48.857 bear to play on an Island, Like, I don't know 1:53:48.897 --> 1:53:51.258 if I'm kicking him outside in the NFL. I kind 1:53:51.258 --> 1:53:53.537 of have more concerns about him at tackle honestly than 1:53:53.537 --> 1:53:54.418 I do with Will Campbell. 1:53:54.497 --> 1:53:58.617 So he's the guy to me that if like you're 1:53:58.937 --> 1:54:03.338 playing for Josh Simmons, which is, yeah, we draft him, 1:54:03.338 --> 1:54:05.857 and because I think he's a right tackle in the NFL, yeah, certainly. 1:54:06.098 --> 1:54:07.338 Yeah, I would move to the right. 1:54:07.338 --> 1:54:10.817 Tackle before I move to guard. And he's one where 1:54:10.978 --> 1:54:13.537 like I draft him, play him at left. Maybe you 1:54:13.537 --> 1:54:15.697 don't sign Garrett Bowles, but you sign like a capable 1:54:15.737 --> 1:54:18.218 bridge guy. Worst case scenario, you kick him over the 1:54:18.298 --> 1:54:19.537 right side where I think he would be good, and 1:54:19.537 --> 1:54:21.258 then you go back in and do left tackle next year. Now, 1:54:21.298 --> 1:54:24.258 I know I said no half measures, so I'm not 1:54:24.378 --> 1:54:27.338 saying I'm like endorsing that plan. But yeah, like he 1:54:27.497 --> 1:54:30.058 he might be a good right tackle. I'll say that 1:54:30.817 --> 1:54:34.578 the big game for him, We'll see what happens. But 1:54:35.138 --> 1:54:38.138 so well, Texas is gonna play Georgia in the SC 1:54:38.298 --> 1:54:41.018 Championship this week. So Michael Williams, who you said you 1:54:41.098 --> 1:54:42.778 watched a little bit, Yeah, you want to get ten 1:54:42.818 --> 1:54:44.738 seconds on Michael Wims, I wasn't crazy about it. 1:54:44.818 --> 1:54:47.097 But also at the same time, like that Georgia's scheme 1:54:47.178 --> 1:54:49.978 is really weird for defensive ends. It's it's very bellichicking. 1:54:50.178 --> 1:54:52.177 Nobody gets a lot of sacks because everybody gets. 1:54:51.978 --> 1:54:54.017 A yeah, and they don't really let guys get up 1:54:54.058 --> 1:54:56.337 the field, and they play a lot of five techniques, 1:54:56.378 --> 1:54:58.778 so he's straight up over the tackle instead of outside 1:54:58.818 --> 1:55:02.178 the tackle, which is a disadvantageous rush angle and all like. 1:55:02.258 --> 1:55:05.017 There's also we did this with Trayvon Locker a couple 1:55:05.058 --> 1:55:07.298 of years ago. It's all the same stuff. So I 1:55:07.378 --> 1:55:10.778 didn't really see it with mikel Williams that I watched 1:55:10.818 --> 1:55:11.897 two games and really, did. 1:55:11.897 --> 1:55:15.897 You watch the Texas game? Uh? No, Okay, so that 1:55:16.258 --> 1:55:19.137 was the game that kind of sunk everybody on Calvin Banks. 1:55:19.178 --> 1:55:21.218 That was Michael Williams's best game of the year. Yeah, 1:55:21.338 --> 1:55:25.977 So rematch Saturday Texas Georgia. Big game for both guys. 1:55:26.298 --> 1:55:29.538 And then as we get further in this thing pass 1:55:29.618 --> 1:55:33.057 rushers up and down. Penn State has Abdul Carter, Georgia 1:55:33.098 --> 1:55:37.338 has Michael Williams Tennessee as James Pearce. I am blanking 1:55:37.458 --> 1:55:39.578 on the name of the guy from Indiana, but like 1:55:40.098 --> 1:55:42.297 he's not at the top of the draft because he's undersize. 1:55:42.298 --> 1:55:45.418 He's like six foot two sixty, But he led the 1:55:45.458 --> 1:55:47.858 Big ten and pressures this year and I wish I 1:55:47.897 --> 1:55:50.538 could remember his name. Obviously, Alabama has guys if they 1:55:50.618 --> 1:55:54.137 get there. Yeah, Kelvin Banks may be in the best 1:55:54.178 --> 1:55:56.858 position of any of the guys we've talked about because 1:55:56.937 --> 1:55:59.458 he's gonna have so many chances to prove what he 1:55:59.538 --> 1:56:02.897 can do against high level NFL caliber players. However long 1:56:02.978 --> 1:56:05.578 the Texas run lasts, I think it's gonna last. I 1:56:05.618 --> 1:56:07.298 don't know they're gonna win the national championship. 1:56:07.338 --> 1:56:08.057 I like Oregon. 1:56:08.258 --> 1:56:10.418 I still think Ohio State in spite of Ryan Day, 1:56:10.418 --> 1:56:12.778 as a chance because the Ohio State's another one. Jack 1:56:12.818 --> 1:56:15.298 Sawyer my guy, another team with two great edge guys. 1:56:15.338 --> 1:56:18.017 But Kelvin Bank's in a great position because he's gonna 1:56:18.058 --> 1:56:19.778 have so many chances here over the next month and 1:56:19.818 --> 1:56:23.258 a half to show up against other guys that are 1:56:23.298 --> 1:56:25.017 gonna go in the top ten to fifteen to twenty 1:56:25.058 --> 1:56:25.738 picks in this draft. 1:56:25.818 --> 1:56:27.818 Yeah, they're right tackle shots a good one. Like I 1:56:28.138 --> 1:56:29.818 look at him and I just worry a little bit 1:56:29.978 --> 1:56:32.698 about him protecting his edge, like against real twitched up 1:56:32.818 --> 1:56:35.177 edge rushers that are he's gonna see in the NFL 1:56:35.298 --> 1:56:38.097 every single week, you know, like looking just in division, 1:56:38.178 --> 1:56:40.738 like if he has to face Chop Robinson right like 1:56:40.818 --> 1:56:43.897 with Miami, you know, Chop Robinson, his first step is 1:56:43.937 --> 1:56:46.058 gonna eat him up a little bit. I think I 1:56:46.818 --> 1:56:47.178 guess what. 1:56:47.218 --> 1:56:48.538 I'm saying to you, though, on my point is like, 1:56:48.578 --> 1:56:51.097 don't don't be done evaluating Kelvin Banks. 1:56:51.298 --> 1:56:55.498 No, I'm not. We got some breaking news here. This 1:56:55.658 --> 1:56:59.218 is interesting Patriots breaking news. Yesh okay Uh. 1:56:59.458 --> 1:57:02.937 North Carolina is interviewing Bill Belichick for its head coaching opening. 1:57:02.978 --> 1:57:06.057 According to On three Sports, Oh so, uh, your boy 1:57:06.138 --> 1:57:09.778 Tony maz had had that scoop yesterday. Yeah, I think 1:57:09.818 --> 1:57:10.338 Maz had that. 1:57:11.937 --> 1:57:14.618 I didn't see Bill going to college, not thean l 1:57:14.738 --> 1:57:15.458 R didn't see it. 1:57:15.698 --> 1:57:17.977 That's sad. It's sad. I find it sad. 1:57:18.338 --> 1:57:20.698 This has to be some sort of leverage play by somebody. 1:57:20.978 --> 1:57:25.658 I find it. I find it legitimately sad that Bill Belichick, 1:57:25.698 --> 1:57:28.258 the greatest head coach of all time, is gonna not 1:57:28.418 --> 1:57:32.698 only sink himself from going to college, but to you 1:57:32.858 --> 1:57:36.098 n C like, no disrespect. Drake May but like you, 1:57:36.258 --> 1:57:38.738 and he's gonna say, like, after all you talked to 1:57:38.897 --> 1:57:42.778 Drake May, maybe Drake Drake May is the is literally 1:57:42.897 --> 1:57:47.138 the only good thing that's Taylor. It's like, Lauren, there 1:57:47.178 --> 1:57:50.658 he goes Drake Baylor. That's why I bet he's doing 1:57:50.738 --> 1:57:54.298 Lawrence Taylor and Lawrence Taylor are solid. We just solid there. 1:57:54.498 --> 1:57:58.338 Oh man, jeez, jeez, How the Mighty have fallen? Huh? 1:57:58.738 --> 1:58:01.458 All right, well, speaking of how the Mighty have fallen, 1:58:01.698 --> 1:58:03.578 it's December fifth, and we just did an hour on 1:58:03.658 --> 1:58:05.977 the draft already, so that's how the mighty have fallen? 1:58:06.058 --> 1:58:09.338 Here and now Bill Belichick's interviewing for a college coaching job, 1:58:09.418 --> 1:58:12.017 so we're what world are we living in right now? 1:58:12.098 --> 1:58:14.778 It's like this is an upside down world. But that's 1:58:14.858 --> 1:58:17.298 a That's my my initial take on the draft. I 1:58:17.698 --> 1:58:20.818 hope you enjoyed it. I did. It was good stuff again. 1:58:20.937 --> 1:58:24.098 I I'm gonna keep pounding the table for the next 1:58:24.138 --> 1:58:26.618 six months, so I'm gonna be a broken record. Don't 1:58:27.338 --> 1:58:29.658 waste this pick on a player that's not worth the pick. 1:58:29.818 --> 1:58:32.378 If you're picking fourth overall, you gotta pick a guy 1:58:32.458 --> 1:58:35.818 that's worth the fourth overall pick every year, not just 1:58:35.897 --> 1:58:37.458 this year. You don't want to be that team that 1:58:37.538 --> 1:58:40.698 gets stuck, you know. I always bring up Jacksonville and 1:58:40.778 --> 1:58:42.778 they might be in the same position again this year. 1:58:43.458 --> 1:58:46.658 Trayvon Walker like solid player for the Jaguars. He was 1:58:46.738 --> 1:58:48.977 not a number one overall pick in a draft, right 1:58:49.058 --> 1:58:51.618 like that, that was the position they were in in 1:58:51.698 --> 1:58:53.858 twenty two. I don't want the Patriots to be in 1:58:53.937 --> 1:58:56.218 that position again in twenty four. I guess we'll see 1:58:56.258 --> 1:58:57.858 what happens in the last four weeks of the season 1:58:58.538 --> 1:59:00.298 and if they can, you know where they finished in 1:59:00.418 --> 1:59:03.458 terms of the draft order. But that's it real quick. 1:59:03.698 --> 1:59:07.578 The Georgia like linebacker, hybrid guy, Like, what do you 1:59:07.658 --> 1:59:08.418 think about him? 1:59:09.418 --> 1:59:12.618 I'm not familiar enough with him. It's Jalen Walker. 1:59:12.738 --> 1:59:14.738 Yeah, weird player I really like. 1:59:15.138 --> 1:59:17.218 So the next two guys project, Like, there's so many 1:59:17.258 --> 1:59:20.137 linebackers in this draft now, like Giod Campbell, Harold Perkins, 1:59:20.218 --> 1:59:22.738 Danny Stutsman, Barrett Carter. I can't get a read on 1:59:22.818 --> 1:59:24.858 Walker yet. But he's another guy where it's like I'll 1:59:24.897 --> 1:59:25.897 be watching him very closely. 1:59:26.258 --> 1:59:28.017 Yeah, so I watched him a little bit too, as 1:59:28.058 --> 1:59:30.897 well as MIKEL Williams, and I have to admit, you 1:59:30.937 --> 1:59:32.698 know who the guy that I kind of saw in 1:59:32.778 --> 1:59:36.778 his game was who trod Mayo for Michael Williams. No 1:59:37.018 --> 1:59:41.338 oh for okay, off the line, on the line, off 1:59:41.378 --> 1:59:45.738 the line, insideline. Yeah, a little bit of that, A 1:59:45.818 --> 1:59:48.897 little bit, so that would be an interesting one, all right. 1:59:49.418 --> 1:59:51.778 Before we wrap it up here, attention Patriots fans, is 1:59:51.858 --> 1:59:55.218 the most nail biting action film of the season. 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