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Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered the world's original podcast. Patriots Unfiltered brings you

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Speaker 1: inside Jillette Stadium for rousing conversations on everything New England, Patriots,

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Speaker 1: Paul Parillo, Mike Desso, Evan Lazar, Tamara Brown, and Alex

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Speaker 1: Francisco as they bring you in depth coverage of the team.

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Speaker 2: He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's

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Speaker 2: really that's his rookie season essentially too. So now we're

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Speaker 2: really not talking about them, really knowing.

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Speaker 1: Search for Patriots Unfiltered anywhere you get your podcasts. This

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Speaker 1: is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: And Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it. He joined as always

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars Let's flip over

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Speaker 1: to the demons.

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Speaker 2: Do you have ups and downs? You told me you

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Speaker 3: Why you usually do them on Tuesday?

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Speaker 2: And I just have I mean I can do one thought. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's unprepared usual marines like God, one time? Could you

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Speaker 2: prepare one time? Are you prepared today? No, you're not prepared.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean. Yeah, yeah, it's Thursday, so that

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Speaker 2: your your schedule isn't thrown off, so you're prepared today. Yes,

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Speaker 2: there you go, all right, Evan Lazar, Alex bar Patriots

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Speaker 2: Catch twenty two with you for the next couple of

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Speaker 2: hours here on a bye week Thursday. But this is

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Speaker 2: a big show for us. This is a big, big show.

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Speaker 2: I have actually done some homework. I've actually watched a

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Speaker 2: But before we get into the draft talk, I just

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Speaker 2: want to put this one thing out there. With the

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Speaker 2: I watched, and don't ask me if I watched this

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Speaker 2: guy or that I didn't. I didn't. I watched like

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Speaker 2: seven guys. And that's the list we're going off of

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Speaker 3: Good thing, the drafts only seven players.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but don't I know you and you'll sit there

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Speaker 2: and you'll say, yeah, but you gotta you gotta watchers too,

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Speaker 2: and you gotta watch watch. Yeah, I wasted my time,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that away. Never wait, I could have

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Speaker 3: I think you're probably aware enough of burden that you

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Speaker 2: I feel like people come to this show and they

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Speaker 3: The YouTube comments are right now are a draft draft draw.

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Speaker 2: I've never I have not been prepared yet. I took

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Speaker 2: start getting some more information, whether it's college football playoff combine,

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Speaker 2: We get to go. I mean, it's everybody.

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Speaker 3: You bring up, any name, and it's pretty much that

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Speaker 2: Look how excited he is. He's giddy. He's giddy over there.

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Speaker 2: officially the bye week for me. Once this show is over,

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Speaker 2: offseason talk. And the biggest takeaway that I had from

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Speaker 2: this was a good offensive performance. Four hundred yards of

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Speaker 2: Drake May now ranks fourteenth among thirty two quarterbacks in QBR,

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Speaker 3: Like if the quarterback plays this way, you'll win this percent.

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Speaker 2: So Drake May's QBR right now is fifty eight point zero,

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Speaker 3: Two, So we should be winning fifty eight percent.

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Speaker 2: They should be winning fifty eight percent of his games.

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Speaker 2: in game management, like time management, timeouts. Should he or

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Speaker 2: shouldn't he have challenged? Like should he have gone for

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Speaker 2: You know, this type of stuff drives me up an

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Speaker 3: But it's almost like it's it's important or something. It's

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Speaker 3: a stop that would have we wouldn't have been talking

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Speaker 3: types of things that you and on the other show,

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Speaker 3: it's Paul that that talks about this all the time,

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Speaker 3: and you guys do a great job of talking about it.

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Speaker 3: These types of things matter, These types of in game

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Speaker 3: You just find it boring.

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Speaker 3: Boring, even though it matters and it's important and it's

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Speaker 2: So all that being, I find the math boring. There's

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Speaker 2: If you gave Drake May fifty seconds instead of twelve seconds,

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Speaker 3: the eleven, Drake was doing a great job. They converted

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Speaker 3: like everything to that point, yeah, you got it. And

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Speaker 3: they only had one three and out. That's great progress

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Speaker 3: for this offense. Yeah, it happened to come at one

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Speaker 3: It was more the idea that if you're gonna play

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Speaker 3: hate playing for a field goal. Can you make that

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Speaker 3: a sixty four to sixty five yard field goal instead

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Speaker 3: so we can do that, But sixty eight that's two

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Speaker 2: He was close.

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Speaker 3: Credit to Joey Slide, he was close, but that I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying the timeout usage wasn't an issue. Again, I

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Speaker 2: Get to sixty eight and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just feel like if you maximize time there

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Speaker 3: General consensus or the cliche is timeouts are more valuable

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: And that's I never, I very rarely should you let

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Speaker 3: There you could have an argument, but like to me,

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Speaker 3: I also wonder if they were surprised by the Colts

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Speaker 3: they shouldn't have been your okay, fair enough, but to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just win coin to us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the end of the game, it didn't. I didn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, halftime one is it's it's time and time and

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Speaker 2: They've literally executed before halftime. I'm taking the Texans bomb

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Speaker 3: And there's they've still hit on like two out of eight. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Of eight to give them that. It's still not good enough.

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna go, in my mind, going run run

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Speaker 2: it's to milt clock. So if you're gonna if that's

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Speaker 2: I just thought that that was a little bit weird

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Speaker 2: then you're also stopping the clock simultaneously, like that sort

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Speaker 2: was a bad sequence in this game because you score

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Speaker 2: You're in a really good spot up two scores going in.

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Speaker 3: I thought the management at the end of the first

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Speaker 3: online like you have to be better and that wasn't good,

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Speaker 3: but pound for pound, the end of the first half

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Speaker 2: The other element of this that I feel like come

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Speaker 2: got to be decisions made about, you know what, what's

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Speaker 2: in year two for Girodmeo. Is it gonna look exactly

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Speaker 2: I know that there's been a lot of conversations about

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Speaker 2: DeMarcus Covington. I understand all of those things. I mean, look,

436
00:20:31,618 --> 00:20:35,098
Speaker 2: right now, since Drake may took over as the starter,

437
00:20:35,698 --> 00:20:38,378
Speaker 2: they have the worst defense in football by DVOA. They're

438
00:20:38,418 --> 00:20:41,938
Speaker 2: the thirty second ranked defense in the league. They should

439
00:20:41,938 --> 00:20:43,938
Speaker 2: not be the thirty second ranked defense in the league.

440
00:20:43,978 --> 00:20:45,898
Speaker 2: They have enough talent on that side of the ball

441
00:20:46,138 --> 00:20:49,218
Speaker 2: to at least be middling on defense. They are things

442
00:20:49,218 --> 00:20:52,018
Speaker 2: that I am seeing defensively with them, though are I

443
00:20:52,298 --> 00:20:54,178
Speaker 2: don't want to call him self inflicted because I don't

444
00:20:54,178 --> 00:20:56,818
Speaker 2: want to give zero credit to the opponent, But in

445
00:20:56,898 --> 00:21:00,818
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, they just are not tied together

446
00:21:01,098 --> 00:21:03,618
Speaker 2: as a defense. It doesn't feel like it's eleven guys

447
00:21:04,018 --> 00:21:07,178
Speaker 2: on a string. It feels like it's individuals out there

448
00:21:07,738 --> 00:21:11,338
Speaker 2: on islands, like trying to make individual plays to keep

449
00:21:11,378 --> 00:21:14,218
Speaker 2: this defense afloat. You know, whether it's run fits, whether

450
00:21:14,258 --> 00:21:16,938
Speaker 2: it's assignment's in the red zone, you know, they whether

451
00:21:17,018 --> 00:21:20,058
Speaker 2: it's you know that fourth and three play after the

452
00:21:20,098 --> 00:21:23,698
Speaker 2: catch that everybody wanted Girodmeo to challenge. That fourth and

453
00:21:23,738 --> 00:21:26,938
Speaker 2: three play, the receiver is just wide open, like it's

454
00:21:26,978 --> 00:21:29,658
Speaker 2: another coverage bust, Like it's just a wide open coverage

455
00:21:29,658 --> 00:21:34,898
Speaker 2: bust on a critical game deciding type of play. They

456
00:21:34,938 --> 00:21:37,778
Speaker 2: can't get off the field there because they don't have

457
00:21:37,858 --> 00:21:40,298
Speaker 2: good zone distribution and there's nobody to cover the tight

458
00:21:40,418 --> 00:21:44,458
Speaker 2: end there when Anthony Richardson kind of breaks contain and

459
00:21:44,498 --> 00:21:46,498
Speaker 2: then there's just nobody there and not to you know,

460
00:21:46,538 --> 00:21:50,418
Speaker 2: look get Sjabrill Peppers's first game back. But the whole

461
00:21:50,498 --> 00:21:52,978
Speaker 2: break container element of it too just speaks to the

462
00:21:53,538 --> 00:21:57,778
Speaker 2: undisciplined nature of this defense right now, the run fits again,

463
00:21:57,858 --> 00:22:00,938
Speaker 2: and the run defense again was a problem. So I

464
00:22:01,018 --> 00:22:05,018
Speaker 2: do think defensively, we're getting to the point now where

465
00:22:05,298 --> 00:22:07,378
Speaker 2: there need to be some changes on that side of

466
00:22:07,418 --> 00:22:10,578
Speaker 2: the football in the offseason, not just personnel wise, but

467
00:22:10,618 --> 00:22:14,538
Speaker 2: maybe coaching staff wise as well, because of just really

468
00:22:14,538 --> 00:22:19,618
Speaker 2: what's going on fundamentally with the defense run defense assignments.

469
00:22:19,658 --> 00:22:21,418
Speaker 2: You know, how many times are we going to watch

470
00:22:21,898 --> 00:22:25,098
Speaker 2: them blow coverages in the red zone before something has

471
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Speaker 2: to give there? So and just in general, I think

472
00:22:27,938 --> 00:22:31,778
Speaker 2: that that is a big, big question mark and problem

473
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Speaker 2: that they need to answer. And it's a tough one

474
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Speaker 2: because everybody really is very high on DeMarcus Covington, myself

475
00:22:37,898 --> 00:22:40,618
Speaker 2: included in terms of the future for him as a

476
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Speaker 2: coach in this league. But right now it feels to

477
00:22:43,938 --> 00:22:46,858
Speaker 2: me a little bit like they've regressed too hard on

478
00:22:46,898 --> 00:22:47,658
Speaker 2: that side of the ball.

479
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Speaker 3: I mean, how many times did we talk about in

480
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Speaker 3: the spring of the summer that the point of the

481
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Speaker 3: season was are you better at the end than you

482
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Speaker 3: are at the beginning? And you use the word regression.

483
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Speaker 2: That's what it is.

484
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Speaker 3: You're looking for growth and it's just not there defensively

485
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Speaker 3: right now?

486
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the last one red zone obviously go two

487
00:23:02,218 --> 00:23:03,338
Speaker 2: for six in the red zone for.

488
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Speaker 3: Six defensively three for four. The opponent goes three for four.

489
00:23:06,818 --> 00:23:08,578
Speaker 3: Three weeks in a row, they've done three for four

490
00:23:08,658 --> 00:23:11,417
Speaker 3: defensively in the red zone. So you have to be

491
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Speaker 3: better in that area. Yeah, and Drake May should be

492
00:23:13,538 --> 00:23:16,538
Speaker 3: a weapon. And this goes to you look how the

493
00:23:16,578 --> 00:23:19,698
Speaker 3: Colts used Anthony Richardson down there, and Alex Van Pelt

494
00:23:19,938 --> 00:23:22,178
Speaker 3: changed his tone going into that game. He had said

495
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Speaker 3: that they weren't going to do design quarterback runs for

496
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Speaker 3: Drake May, and I mean they still haven't, but that

497
00:23:27,738 --> 00:23:29,937
Speaker 3: week he said, you know, we might mix them in.

498
00:23:30,538 --> 00:23:32,138
Speaker 3: You might have had a shot to mix one in there.

499
00:23:32,258 --> 00:23:35,098
Speaker 3: So you saw what a difference maker Richardson could be

500
00:23:35,138 --> 00:23:37,818
Speaker 3: in that scenario when you lose that space and you

501
00:23:37,818 --> 00:23:40,378
Speaker 3: have more defenders down in the box and now you

502
00:23:40,418 --> 00:23:41,698
Speaker 3: have more guys you have to block. When you have

503
00:23:41,698 --> 00:23:44,738
Speaker 3: the quarterback as an extra number in that count, the

504
00:23:44,818 --> 00:23:47,938
Speaker 3: running backs now blocking that can give you an advantage.

505
00:23:47,978 --> 00:23:51,178
Speaker 3: So I offensively, I wonder if that's key. Defensively, they're

506
00:23:51,258 --> 00:23:53,258
Speaker 3: just they're getting beat every which way.

507
00:23:53,138 --> 00:23:53,698
Speaker 2: In the red zone.

508
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Speaker 3: So there's not one thing I think you look at

509
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Speaker 3: and you say, if you adjust this or if you

510
00:23:57,938 --> 00:24:01,298
Speaker 3: try that. It's a lot more more complex than that.

511
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Speaker 3: But offensively, I wonder if i'd get they don't want

512
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Speaker 3: to run Drake may A ton and I agree with that.

513
00:24:06,378 --> 00:24:09,938
Speaker 2: I would rather underrun him than overrun him. Yeah, but I.

514
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Speaker 3: Don't think the answer is zero either, And if there

515
00:24:12,498 --> 00:24:13,818
Speaker 3: is a time to do it, I think the red

516
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Speaker 3: zone's it.

517
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Speaker 2: What's happening for offensively in the red zone other than

518
00:24:18,978 --> 00:24:22,018
Speaker 2: one drive that completely got killed by penalties. They get

519
00:24:22,018 --> 00:24:24,898
Speaker 2: called for holds on back to back plays and first

520
00:24:24,898 --> 00:24:26,978
Speaker 2: and goal from the two becomes first and twenty two

521
00:24:27,378 --> 00:24:29,978
Speaker 2: from outside the red zone. They there, they go from

522
00:24:30,018 --> 00:24:32,978
Speaker 2: the two line to outside the red zone because of penalties.

523
00:24:33,218 --> 00:24:35,458
Speaker 2: So that was one of the drives that got killed.

524
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Speaker 2: The other drive that got killed was obviously the pick

525
00:24:38,018 --> 00:24:40,178
Speaker 2: right like that happens in the pick, And then the

526
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Speaker 2: other two drives were situations where they got into third

527
00:24:43,418 --> 00:24:48,138
Speaker 2: bat third down dropback situations. When you are in third

528
00:24:48,298 --> 00:24:51,898
Speaker 2: and obvious pass down in the red zone, that's a

529
00:24:51,938 --> 00:24:55,418
Speaker 2: difficult play to execute, like it's a difficult way to

530
00:24:55,418 --> 00:24:59,698
Speaker 2: score it really is. The main reason why it is

531
00:24:59,778 --> 00:25:02,618
Speaker 2: obviously because the space is condensed, so there's no vertical

532
00:25:02,618 --> 00:25:05,338
Speaker 2: element to the field, so you really only are working

533
00:25:05,378 --> 00:25:08,258
Speaker 2: with the horizontal stretch of the field, which is why

534
00:25:08,298 --> 00:25:10,418
Speaker 2: on the first one they called mesh because that's a

535
00:25:10,458 --> 00:25:14,218
Speaker 2: horizontally stretching of the field type of play. But the

536
00:25:14,298 --> 00:25:16,458
Speaker 2: problem is that if you're spacing is off like it

537
00:25:16,578 --> 00:25:18,978
Speaker 2: was on that play, there's just not a whole lot

538
00:25:19,018 --> 00:25:22,218
Speaker 2: of answers for the quarterback at that point on mesh

539
00:25:22,218 --> 00:25:25,778
Speaker 2: against zone. So I didn't love that call from a

540
00:25:25,858 --> 00:25:28,458
Speaker 2: play call in perspective, because there's really when you get

541
00:25:28,538 --> 00:25:31,458
Speaker 2: zone coverage against mesh, which is the crossing routes in

542
00:25:31,498 --> 00:25:33,818
Speaker 2: the middle of the field with a little sit or

543
00:25:33,858 --> 00:25:36,138
Speaker 2: an over the ball route by the tight end behind it,

544
00:25:36,378 --> 00:25:38,818
Speaker 2: and then usually you have like a flare or rail

545
00:25:39,018 --> 00:25:41,937
Speaker 2: out in the flats. It's a really good answer against

546
00:25:41,938 --> 00:25:44,538
Speaker 2: man to man coverage in the red zone. Most teams

547
00:25:44,578 --> 00:25:46,938
Speaker 2: call that mesh traffic where they're just trying to get

548
00:25:47,218 --> 00:25:49,298
Speaker 2: some picks or some traffic in the middle of the

549
00:25:49,298 --> 00:25:51,618
Speaker 2: field and leak the running back out and a lot

550
00:25:51,658 --> 00:25:54,218
Speaker 2: of the time if you can get that player in

551
00:25:54,258 --> 00:25:55,818
Speaker 2: the box to have to go through a bunch of

552
00:25:55,818 --> 00:25:57,458
Speaker 2: trash on his way out to the flat to the

553
00:25:57,538 --> 00:25:59,818
Speaker 2: running back, the running backs just wide open in the

554
00:25:59,818 --> 00:26:01,618
Speaker 2: flat right and he can just run the foot race

555
00:26:01,658 --> 00:26:03,858
Speaker 2: and it's a touchdown. But the problem is is that

556
00:26:04,058 --> 00:26:07,338
Speaker 2: with Mesha in terms of getting zone coverage, which is

557
00:26:07,338 --> 00:26:10,138
Speaker 2: what they got on the play, really the only answer

558
00:26:10,178 --> 00:26:13,258
Speaker 2: to mesh against zone is the over the ball route right,

559
00:26:13,298 --> 00:26:16,938
Speaker 2: and so you have to stretch out the underneath zones

560
00:26:17,178 --> 00:26:20,417
Speaker 2: and create that passing lane to Hunter Henry Hunter, Henry

561
00:26:20,458 --> 00:26:22,898
Speaker 2: I thought probably could have cut off his route a

562
00:26:22,938 --> 00:26:24,898
Speaker 2: little bit sooner and been a little bit more to

563
00:26:24,938 --> 00:26:27,538
Speaker 2: the hash instead of the middle of the field. And

564
00:26:27,698 --> 00:26:30,138
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne owned it after the game that he ran

565
00:26:30,258 --> 00:26:33,378
Speaker 2: the wrong route around his route poorly. It didn't keep

566
00:26:33,618 --> 00:26:36,138
Speaker 2: you know, running and continuing across the field. So you

567
00:26:36,178 --> 00:26:40,018
Speaker 2: get into an obvious pass situation. Not only is it's

568
00:26:40,098 --> 00:26:42,938
Speaker 2: in the tight quarters to throw the football. Not only

569
00:26:42,978 --> 00:26:44,698
Speaker 2: do you have to have the right play call against

570
00:26:44,698 --> 00:26:47,298
Speaker 2: the coverage that you get and line it up that way,

571
00:26:47,578 --> 00:26:51,018
Speaker 2: you're also asking a young quarterback to now read progressions

572
00:26:51,098 --> 00:26:53,978
Speaker 2: in the red zone where things happen a lot faster.

573
00:26:54,378 --> 00:26:56,138
Speaker 2: So the one thing that I would put on Drake

574
00:26:56,178 --> 00:26:58,898
Speaker 2: a little bit in the red zone is when they

575
00:26:58,898 --> 00:27:01,778
Speaker 2: get into those situations, he's got to be quicker. He's

576
00:27:01,818 --> 00:27:04,218
Speaker 2: got to be faster through the reads. Like on one

577
00:27:04,218 --> 00:27:06,458
Speaker 2: of the plays, it was a second down play, he

578
00:27:06,578 --> 00:27:09,178
Speaker 2: had Gibson on the angle on the Texas route coming

579
00:27:09,218 --> 00:27:11,858
Speaker 2: out of the backfield. Gibson slipped a little bit, and

580
00:27:11,898 --> 00:27:14,258
Speaker 2: I think that's why Drake came off of it. But

581
00:27:14,338 --> 00:27:16,618
Speaker 2: that's one where you just put it on your running

582
00:27:16,658 --> 00:27:19,538
Speaker 2: back James White style and he burrows his way into

583
00:27:19,578 --> 00:27:21,738
Speaker 2: the end zone and you don't have to get into

584
00:27:21,978 --> 00:27:23,778
Speaker 2: a third down. You know. Those are the types of

585
00:27:23,818 --> 00:27:27,178
Speaker 2: things I thought he had Remandre. They kind of had

586
00:27:27,218 --> 00:27:29,978
Speaker 2: Remandre wheel or seam frond of seam out of the

587
00:27:30,018 --> 00:27:32,978
Speaker 2: backfield and make it three strong on that side, and

588
00:27:32,978 --> 00:27:35,218
Speaker 2: he kind of runs the seam. I thought he had

589
00:27:35,258 --> 00:27:37,618
Speaker 2: Remandre on the seam. He would have had to rip

590
00:27:37,658 --> 00:27:38,938
Speaker 2: it like it would have had to have been a

591
00:27:38,978 --> 00:27:41,818
Speaker 2: tight window. But that's what happens in the red zone

592
00:27:41,858 --> 00:27:44,698
Speaker 2: in the league. The windows shrink, the timing is faster,

593
00:27:45,338 --> 00:27:50,498
Speaker 2: So those things are tough for young quarterbacks. And the

594
00:27:50,538 --> 00:27:52,738
Speaker 2: one way, you know, like as you were talking about,

595
00:27:53,058 --> 00:27:56,698
Speaker 2: to combat the fact that asking quarterbacks to go through

596
00:27:56,698 --> 00:27:59,378
Speaker 2: progressions in the red zone can be dicey that when

597
00:27:59,378 --> 00:28:01,818
Speaker 2: they're in their rookie seasons and their young quarterbacks in

598
00:28:01,818 --> 00:28:06,858
Speaker 2: this league is to run option plays, read options, you know,

599
00:28:06,978 --> 00:28:11,258
Speaker 2: play actions like things like that where it's really simplifying

600
00:28:11,298 --> 00:28:13,498
Speaker 2: the game for the quarterback. Right, so you're not getting

601
00:28:13,578 --> 00:28:17,938
Speaker 2: back into the gun, dropping back and going one, two, three, four, five, right,

602
00:28:17,978 --> 00:28:21,178
Speaker 2: You're just it's an RPO. You're either handing it off

603
00:28:21,298 --> 00:28:24,338
Speaker 2: or you're running it yourself, you're throwing a slant, whatever

604
00:28:24,378 --> 00:28:26,338
Speaker 2: the case may be. I think that those are the

605
00:28:26,378 --> 00:28:28,658
Speaker 2: things that they have to get to a little bit

606
00:28:28,658 --> 00:28:31,898
Speaker 2: more moving forward in the red zone from an offensive perspective.

607
00:28:32,378 --> 00:28:36,378
Speaker 2: Last thing on the offense in the red zone or

608
00:28:36,898 --> 00:28:39,098
Speaker 2: in the offense in general, the Gonzo drive, you know,

609
00:28:39,218 --> 00:28:42,018
Speaker 2: the Gonzo picks it off. Yeah, really probably should have

610
00:28:42,018 --> 00:28:45,898
Speaker 2: sealed the game right there, the first down run. I'm

611
00:28:45,898 --> 00:28:48,818
Speaker 2: fine with running the ball on first and ten there,

612
00:28:49,258 --> 00:28:52,578
Speaker 2: that's okay. I there is a chance that he might

613
00:28:52,618 --> 00:28:55,658
Speaker 2: have checked into the second run. I'm not one hundred

614
00:28:55,658 --> 00:28:57,818
Speaker 2: percent sure, but it looked like he did have some

615
00:28:57,818 --> 00:29:01,098
Speaker 2: communication pre snaps, so maybe that was a can or

616
00:29:01,338 --> 00:29:04,938
Speaker 2: you know, a check into a run on second down.

617
00:29:05,058 --> 00:29:07,538
Speaker 2: But then again, you get yourself into obvious pass on

618
00:29:07,618 --> 00:29:10,658
Speaker 2: third down, and these are the situations you run yourself into.

619
00:29:10,738 --> 00:29:13,098
Speaker 2: I thought he had a chance on third down to

620
00:29:13,138 --> 00:29:15,698
Speaker 2: make a throw to Kendrick Bourne on that play, But

621
00:29:15,738 --> 00:29:18,938
Speaker 2: what it looked like to me was he was told

622
00:29:19,378 --> 00:29:22,938
Speaker 2: if you don't love anything, you can't turn it over here,

623
00:29:23,138 --> 00:29:25,698
Speaker 2: like we can't have a turnover. So he kind of

624
00:29:25,698 --> 00:29:27,698
Speaker 2: turtles in the pocket. And I'm not saying that he's

625
00:29:27,738 --> 00:29:29,658
Speaker 2: like afraid to get hit, don't take it the wrong way,

626
00:29:30,098 --> 00:29:32,578
Speaker 2: but it looks to me like he felt some pressure

627
00:29:32,618 --> 00:29:35,498
Speaker 2: from behind him and didn't want to get strip sacked again,

628
00:29:35,618 --> 00:29:36,978
Speaker 2: and so he just went down.

629
00:29:36,778 --> 00:29:39,138
Speaker 3: Which like good, like that that's growth.

630
00:29:39,178 --> 00:29:40,458
Speaker 2: I just I don't know.

631
00:29:40,458 --> 00:29:41,698
Speaker 3: I kind of would have liked them to take a

632
00:29:41,698 --> 00:29:43,778
Speaker 3: shot there. Yeah, on the first or second down, and

633
00:29:43,818 --> 00:29:45,898
Speaker 3: maybe that's what he checked out of, but I thought

634
00:29:45,898 --> 00:29:46,938
Speaker 3: that was a good time to take a shot.

635
00:29:47,138 --> 00:29:49,858
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't disagree with you there, but just in general,

636
00:29:49,978 --> 00:29:53,458
Speaker 2: I think that those are the the ways that you

637
00:29:53,578 --> 00:29:57,978
Speaker 2: get a really good performance from your rookie quarterback who

638
00:29:58,018 --> 00:30:01,818
Speaker 2: continues to stack games. Obviously the Miami game wasn't was

639
00:30:01,898 --> 00:30:06,098
Speaker 2: bad for everybody, but rams game, this game, stacking good

640
00:30:06,178 --> 00:30:10,858
Speaker 2: games against these teams, and you just can't win. You can't,

641
00:30:11,138 --> 00:30:12,978
Speaker 2: they can't, they can't come away with wins. And I

642
00:30:13,458 --> 00:30:17,938
Speaker 2: feel like game management, defensive regression, red zone offense for

643
00:30:18,058 --> 00:30:20,858
Speaker 2: the three reasons you could check all three of those boxes.

644
00:30:20,898 --> 00:30:22,578
Speaker 2: All right, let's do three up, three down, and then

645
00:30:22,618 --> 00:30:26,378
Speaker 2: we're gonna get into the draft. So do you want

646
00:30:26,378 --> 00:30:28,418
Speaker 2: to start? It was gonna brut up and everyone up

647
00:30:28,458 --> 00:30:29,298
Speaker 2: with Strake May. Yeah.

648
00:30:29,378 --> 00:30:33,458
Speaker 3: I thought, maybe not the flashiest game he's played as

649
00:30:33,458 --> 00:30:35,938
Speaker 3: a pro outside of the forty one yard run. Doesn't

650
00:30:35,938 --> 00:30:37,498
Speaker 3: have and I mean to minimize that, but like didn't

651
00:30:37,538 --> 00:30:41,138
Speaker 3: have those like real highlight deep ball kind of throws.

652
00:30:41,178 --> 00:30:46,378
Speaker 3: But what a complete game he played. I just thought

653
00:30:46,658 --> 00:30:49,898
Speaker 3: his he did a good job reading the defense. The

654
00:30:50,058 --> 00:30:54,378
Speaker 3: intermediate accuracy was excellent. I thought his decisions went to

655
00:30:54,458 --> 00:30:57,618
Speaker 3: run when to not run made sense. He protected himself

656
00:30:57,618 --> 00:31:00,178
Speaker 3: and running the football didn't put the ball on harm's way.

657
00:31:00,858 --> 00:31:03,778
Speaker 3: That's what you're looking for. That's the game we're we're

658
00:31:03,818 --> 00:31:08,458
Speaker 3: looking for. And when we've talked about where there's room

659
00:31:08,458 --> 00:31:11,258
Speaker 3: for growth with Drake May kind of balancing that, Okay,

660
00:31:11,298 --> 00:31:13,738
Speaker 3: where does he need to be better and where will

661
00:31:13,778 --> 00:31:16,538
Speaker 3: it just naturally improve when the talent around him is better.

662
00:31:16,898 --> 00:31:18,858
Speaker 3: And this was the first game where I feel like

663
00:31:18,938 --> 00:31:22,218
Speaker 3: definitively you looked at it and you said, I'm not

664
00:31:22,258 --> 00:31:24,378
Speaker 3: sure how much more he could have done. There was

665
00:31:24,418 --> 00:31:28,258
Speaker 3: some but like he plays at that level with an

666
00:31:28,258 --> 00:31:32,018
Speaker 3: improved roster to your for Cock to QBR stat like,

667
00:31:32,018 --> 00:31:33,938
Speaker 3: they're gonna wait probably more than fifty eight percent of

668
00:31:33,938 --> 00:31:35,778
Speaker 3: the games with him playing that way.

669
00:31:35,938 --> 00:31:38,458
Speaker 2: Cock, that's the best way to measure quarterbacks.

670
00:31:38,458 --> 00:31:41,218
Speaker 3: But when when well, he was more than fifty percent,

671
00:31:41,258 --> 00:31:43,418
Speaker 3: when he plays the way he played on Sunday, they're

672
00:31:43,418 --> 00:31:43,858
Speaker 3: gonna be more.

673
00:31:44,218 --> 00:31:46,818
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, his QBR on Sunday was like seventy five.

674
00:31:46,898 --> 00:31:49,458
Speaker 3: Okay, that I would say is probably more like it.

675
00:31:49,538 --> 00:31:52,498
Speaker 3: So now he needs to stack him When we talk

676
00:31:52,538 --> 00:31:54,658
Speaker 3: about the growth down the stretch, right, it can't just

677
00:31:54,738 --> 00:31:56,498
Speaker 3: be being intermittent.

678
00:31:56,778 --> 00:31:58,938
Speaker 2: But if you get all you can give him one.

679
00:31:59,178 --> 00:32:01,218
Speaker 3: If you get like three more of those games in

680
00:32:01,258 --> 00:32:04,498
Speaker 3: the last four from Drake May, I'd feel I'm gonna

681
00:32:04,498 --> 00:32:07,658
Speaker 3: feel really good heading into year two, Like that's the

682
00:32:07,738 --> 00:32:09,978
Speaker 3: kind of game I've been waiting for him to play.

683
00:32:10,138 --> 00:32:12,378
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he was really good in this game. And

684
00:32:12,418 --> 00:32:14,658
Speaker 2: I think, what you know, just I had him with

685
00:32:14,698 --> 00:32:16,978
Speaker 2: a twelve plus plays five and a half minus plays

686
00:32:16,978 --> 00:32:19,978
Speaker 2: in this game, so it really was half really good ratio.

687
00:32:20,298 --> 00:32:21,658
Speaker 2: I would have to go look at my notes and

688
00:32:21,658 --> 00:32:24,538
Speaker 2: see you half plays I do have for sometimes I

689
00:32:24,578 --> 00:32:28,058
Speaker 2: do have for like ball placement issues where it's still

690
00:32:28,058 --> 00:32:32,738
Speaker 2: a completion, but like the ball placement wasn't great. Interception No, yes,

691
00:32:32,858 --> 00:32:36,018
Speaker 2: the interception was a full downgrade to me. But there

692
00:32:36,138 --> 00:32:39,058
Speaker 2: was a ball to Hooper along the sideline where he

693
00:32:39,098 --> 00:32:42,018
Speaker 2: wrong shouldered Hooper and Hooper had to fight through some

694
00:32:42,058 --> 00:32:44,058
Speaker 2: contact to make the catch, made a really nice catch

695
00:32:44,098 --> 00:32:46,378
Speaker 2: on the ball, and I put that as a half

696
00:32:46,458 --> 00:32:49,738
Speaker 2: match down. No, okay, no, that was great. The wrong No,

697
00:32:50,138 --> 00:32:52,498
Speaker 2: it was a different It was a different one anyways.

698
00:32:53,218 --> 00:32:56,578
Speaker 2: But number one up was Drake May. I think what

699
00:32:56,698 --> 00:32:59,978
Speaker 2: continues to impress me so much is how well he's

700
00:33:00,018 --> 00:33:02,338
Speaker 2: doing at the first two levels of the defense and

701
00:33:02,378 --> 00:33:05,338
Speaker 2: the short in the intermediate passing game. I don't think

702
00:33:05,338 --> 00:33:08,098
Speaker 2: there was a lot of people that were anti Drake

703
00:33:08,138 --> 00:33:10,578
Speaker 2: May in the draft that anticipated that he would be

704
00:33:10,658 --> 00:33:14,698
Speaker 2: this good instructure. This early on, we a lot of

705
00:33:14,698 --> 00:33:17,138
Speaker 2: people kind of knew that he had the deep ball,

706
00:33:17,258 --> 00:33:20,418
Speaker 2: had the mobility, had the off script stuff. But the

707
00:33:20,458 --> 00:33:22,938
Speaker 2: ability to just kind of dice up zone coverage like

708
00:33:22,938 --> 00:33:25,658
Speaker 2: he did on Sunday was something that I was told

709
00:33:25,658 --> 00:33:28,538
Speaker 2: a million times he couldn't do right, Like all draft season,

710
00:33:28,538 --> 00:33:30,858
Speaker 2: I was told that was not in his game, that

711
00:33:30,858 --> 00:33:33,378
Speaker 2: that wasn't who he is, like all those kinds of stuff.

712
00:33:33,658 --> 00:33:36,978
Speaker 2: It's hard when you play Augus Bradley's style defense, a

713
00:33:37,058 --> 00:33:41,178
Speaker 2: Seattle three style defense, to just take profits underneath the

714
00:33:41,258 --> 00:33:44,858
Speaker 2: defense and be patient and take the chunks and take

715
00:33:44,858 --> 00:33:48,098
Speaker 2: the easy layups. When you're a quarterback that wants to

716
00:33:48,098 --> 00:33:50,618
Speaker 2: be back there and wants to make plays, it's hard.

717
00:33:50,698 --> 00:33:53,138
Speaker 2: It's hard to not take the bait and throw deep.

718
00:33:53,258 --> 00:33:56,218
Speaker 2: You know, a couple of times, and a lot of

719
00:33:56,258 --> 00:33:59,218
Speaker 2: young quarterbacks, you know, my boy, Josh Allen, you know

720
00:33:59,258 --> 00:34:02,338
Speaker 2: a lot of young quarterbacks make mistakes doing that. Right.

721
00:34:02,338 --> 00:34:05,098
Speaker 2: They'll they'll take the cheese and they'll throw deep and

722
00:34:04,898 --> 00:34:07,618
Speaker 2: all and then it's a pick right like they do.

723
00:34:08,378 --> 00:34:11,698
Speaker 2: It was really impressive to watch how patient he was

724
00:34:11,817 --> 00:34:14,138
Speaker 2: marching the ball down the field in this game. And

725
00:34:14,338 --> 00:34:16,618
Speaker 2: I continue to be really impressed too with some of

726
00:34:17,138 --> 00:34:20,258
Speaker 2: his anticipatory throws. I thought those were his best throws

727
00:34:20,297 --> 00:34:22,938
Speaker 2: on Sunday. You know, Hunter Henry on a out on

728
00:34:23,058 --> 00:34:25,857
Speaker 2: third down, just a great ball, you know, just right

729
00:34:25,898 --> 00:34:28,498
Speaker 2: out of the break. It's right on Hunter Henry. He

730
00:34:28,817 --> 00:34:31,178
Speaker 2: had to throw a couple over the middle to Kendrick

731
00:34:31,218 --> 00:34:33,658
Speaker 2: Bourne on those incuts on the bow concept. That's just

732
00:34:33,738 --> 00:34:37,777
Speaker 2: like tight window layering the ball in there against zone

733
00:34:38,018 --> 00:34:39,738
Speaker 2: like Bourne is like on the other side of the

734
00:34:39,738 --> 00:34:42,258
Speaker 2: linebacker and he's throwing them open on the you know,

735
00:34:42,338 --> 00:34:44,938
Speaker 2: one side to the other side of the linebackers. Like,

736
00:34:44,978 --> 00:34:49,538
Speaker 2: those anticipatory throws are really impressive, next level type of throws.

737
00:34:50,218 --> 00:34:53,138
Speaker 2: And then again, you play man coverage against this guy,

738
00:34:53,178 --> 00:34:55,978
Speaker 2: you better account for the quarterback because otherwise he's gonna

739
00:34:56,018 --> 00:34:58,498
Speaker 2: run for forty one yards. So when you put it

740
00:34:58,538 --> 00:35:01,018
Speaker 2: all together, you know, I think he only had what

741
00:35:01,218 --> 00:35:04,098
Speaker 2: like two hundred and something passing yards in this game.

742
00:35:04,698 --> 00:35:06,937
Speaker 2: It was I have it right here, it was two

743
00:35:06,978 --> 00:35:09,297
Speaker 2: thirty eight. But then you add the forty one yard

744
00:35:09,378 --> 00:35:12,297
Speaker 2: run in there too, and you know, really fifty what

745
00:35:12,498 --> 00:35:14,618
Speaker 2: nine yards on the ground I think he had in

746
00:35:14,698 --> 00:35:16,738
Speaker 2: this game. You're up over three hundred yards of total

747
00:35:16,778 --> 00:35:20,218
Speaker 2: offense from your quarterback almost so he was very very

748
00:35:20,218 --> 00:35:20,978
Speaker 2: good in this game.

749
00:35:21,298 --> 00:35:26,018
Speaker 3: Yeah, number two Christian Zalez. Yeah, just another excellent game

750
00:35:26,018 --> 00:35:28,538
Speaker 3: from him. That interception should have sealed. It had a

751
00:35:28,538 --> 00:35:32,458
Speaker 3: couple other pass breakups. I think I said this last week, right,

752
00:35:32,898 --> 00:35:35,178
Speaker 3: at what point do we just retire Christian Zalz isn't

753
00:35:35,218 --> 00:35:37,258
Speaker 3: up and just acknowledge it's every week domit.

754
00:35:37,418 --> 00:35:40,338
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say this about Christian Goanzalz to all you

755
00:35:40,458 --> 00:35:42,898
Speaker 2: Patriots fans out there. I'm gonna look into the camera

756
00:35:43,098 --> 00:35:45,418
Speaker 2: on the ISO shot right now and say to all

757
00:35:45,458 --> 00:35:49,018
Speaker 2: those Patriots fans out there, go vote for Christian Goanzales

758
00:35:49,018 --> 00:35:51,778
Speaker 2: in the Pro Bowl. Yeah, go smash the vote button

759
00:35:51,818 --> 00:35:53,658
Speaker 2: and go vote for this guy in the Pro Bowl.

760
00:35:53,698 --> 00:35:56,138
Speaker 2: I know the team right now, I know. I know

761
00:35:56,258 --> 00:35:58,378
Speaker 2: the team is struggling. I know that they don't have

762
00:35:58,458 --> 00:36:00,898
Speaker 2: a great record. I know all of that. But he

763
00:36:01,058 --> 00:36:04,218
Speaker 2: is playing at a Pro Bowl level. He deserves to

764
00:36:04,218 --> 00:36:06,858
Speaker 2: be in the Pro Bowl. He deserves your support. So

765
00:36:06,898 --> 00:36:09,138
Speaker 2: go out there and vote for Christian Gonzales for the

766
00:36:09,138 --> 00:36:12,297
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl because he's playing lights out football right now.

767
00:36:12,978 --> 00:36:17,018
Speaker 2: He sometimes has games like this where it just looks

768
00:36:17,058 --> 00:36:20,458
Speaker 2: so effortless and so easy for him. And I don't

769
00:36:20,498 --> 00:36:23,538
Speaker 2: mean to disrespect Alec Pierce or Michael Pittman, who are

770
00:36:23,538 --> 00:36:27,058
Speaker 2: both NFL receivers and are capable guys. It was it

771
00:36:27,098 --> 00:36:29,378
Speaker 2: was light work for Christian Zalez in this game to

772
00:36:29,418 --> 00:36:32,098
Speaker 2: cover those two guys. It was it was a stroll

773
00:36:32,138 --> 00:36:36,337
Speaker 2: in the park and the interception was just a fantastic

774
00:36:36,738 --> 00:36:39,458
Speaker 2: play of route recognition and just driving on the football

775
00:36:39,538 --> 00:36:42,058
Speaker 2: and jumping the pass over the middle of the field.

776
00:36:42,458 --> 00:36:46,338
Speaker 2: He's just been outrageous. He's been great almost every single week.

777
00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:49,377
Speaker 2: He's still only giving up one deep past the entire year,

778
00:36:49,418 --> 00:36:51,978
Speaker 2: that won in London to Brian Thomas Jr. Is the

779
00:36:52,018 --> 00:36:55,578
Speaker 2: only deep ball he's allowed all season long. Into his coverage,

780
00:36:56,018 --> 00:36:58,538
Speaker 2: he's been excellent, and he does it every single week,

781
00:36:58,778 --> 00:37:01,698
Speaker 2: playing almost fifty percent of his downs in man coverage

782
00:37:01,858 --> 00:37:06,018
Speaker 2: and shadowing the other team's best outside receiver every single week.

783
00:37:06,058 --> 00:37:09,857
Speaker 2: Like he's getting you know, Michael Pittman, he's getting Tyreek Hill,

784
00:37:10,018 --> 00:37:13,818
Speaker 2: he's getting Garrett Wilson, he's getting you know, whoever they play,

785
00:37:13,978 --> 00:37:17,337
Speaker 2: he's getting the number one guy, and he's going toe

786
00:37:17,378 --> 00:37:19,538
Speaker 2: to toe with that guy every single week. So you

787
00:37:19,578 --> 00:37:21,858
Speaker 2: can go and take like your zone corners, right, like,

788
00:37:21,938 --> 00:37:23,818
Speaker 2: go let those guys in the Pro Bowl too. I

789
00:37:23,818 --> 00:37:27,418
Speaker 2: guess the guy that shadows him slowers all the way across.

790
00:37:27,458 --> 00:37:29,857
Speaker 2: That's the guy that I'm taking. Well, and I've seen

791
00:37:29,898 --> 00:37:30,297
Speaker 2: this take.

792
00:37:30,578 --> 00:37:32,897
Speaker 3: People have been like, yeah, but he's being targeted a lot,

793
00:37:32,978 --> 00:37:35,138
Speaker 3: and he's six in the league in targets with seventy two,

794
00:37:36,058 --> 00:37:38,777
Speaker 3: he's fifteenth and catches a lad with forty one. Like

795
00:37:38,858 --> 00:37:43,458
Speaker 3: the opposing opposing completion percentage is I think it's it's

796
00:37:43,498 --> 00:37:44,018
Speaker 3: fifty six.

797
00:37:44,058 --> 00:37:46,498
Speaker 2: It's very low. So I don't know, like.

798
00:37:46,458 --> 00:37:48,338
Speaker 3: Why do teams Why are teams throwing in him as

799
00:37:48,418 --> 00:37:49,898
Speaker 3: much as they are, couldn't tell you.

800
00:37:50,338 --> 00:37:51,058
Speaker 2: I don't really care.

801
00:37:51,338 --> 00:37:53,178
Speaker 3: It's awesome as long as he keeps making the plays

802
00:37:53,218 --> 00:37:56,738
Speaker 3: which he's making, like go ahead, waste those back whatever.

803
00:37:56,858 --> 00:37:58,858
Speaker 2: They're throwing a lot at him because he's covering the

804
00:37:58,938 --> 00:38:00,178
Speaker 2: number one receiver, so like.

805
00:38:00,458 --> 00:38:02,698
Speaker 3: These well, but I think people used to like, you know,

806
00:38:03,058 --> 00:38:06,858
Speaker 3: to go back to Gilmour even revis where like teams

807
00:38:06,858 --> 00:38:09,378
Speaker 3: didn't even throw to that receiver, they just left the

808
00:38:09,418 --> 00:38:12,138
Speaker 3: corner alone. Yeah, and I think people are expecting that

809
00:38:13,418 --> 00:38:17,458
Speaker 3: the target number to me is not totally irrelevant. But

810
00:38:17,498 --> 00:38:22,297
Speaker 3: like again, if the passes aren't being completed, then let

811
00:38:22,298 --> 00:38:23,138
Speaker 3: them waste the down.

812
00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:26,018
Speaker 2: I don't really care. I just feel like the target

813
00:38:26,138 --> 00:38:28,937
Speaker 2: number to me is indicative of you're gonna go into

814
00:38:28,938 --> 00:38:31,578
Speaker 2: these games and teams are gonna trying to feed their guys.

815
00:38:31,738 --> 00:38:34,778
Speaker 2: Like even if you're you have a really good corner,

816
00:38:35,058 --> 00:38:37,858
Speaker 2: like if you're going up against Tyree Hill and Jalen Waddle,

817
00:38:37,858 --> 00:38:40,818
Speaker 2: if you're going up against uh, you know, Stefan Diggs,

818
00:38:40,818 --> 00:38:44,777
Speaker 2: if you're going up against whoever, like Calvin Ridley, like

819
00:38:44,858 --> 00:38:47,018
Speaker 2: that's the guy on the other team. They're not gonna

820
00:38:47,138 --> 00:38:50,338
Speaker 2: go the entire game without targeting their number one receiver.

821
00:38:50,698 --> 00:38:52,938
Speaker 2: And when you're playing as much man to man coverage

822
00:38:52,938 --> 00:38:55,698
Speaker 2: as the Patriots are playing, Uh, then I feel like

823
00:38:55,818 --> 00:38:59,138
Speaker 2: that's another you know, thing to to point to that

824
00:38:59,458 --> 00:39:03,098
Speaker 2: those guys are on an island a lot. So it's

825
00:39:03,138 --> 00:39:05,898
Speaker 2: not like there's like doubles or safety help. That is

826
00:39:05,978 --> 00:39:09,698
Speaker 2: also deterring quarterbacks. When quarterbacks see their number one receiver

827
00:39:09,898 --> 00:39:11,738
Speaker 2: one on one with the guy, they're gonna throw them

828
00:39:11,778 --> 00:39:13,938
Speaker 2: the ball. You know, that's the way it goes, all right?

829
00:39:14,258 --> 00:39:18,897
Speaker 2: Third up, Ben Brown, nice, I just Ben Brown shout there.

830
00:39:19,298 --> 00:39:21,578
Speaker 3: You got to Forest Buckner, who's been a Patriots killer,

831
00:39:21,578 --> 00:39:23,338
Speaker 3: and Buckner at a good game, but not against Brown.

832
00:39:23,738 --> 00:39:25,898
Speaker 3: He had Laydon Robinson next to him playing a new position.

833
00:39:26,018 --> 00:39:28,738
Speaker 3: Like remember last time they changed the interior the line.

834
00:39:28,738 --> 00:39:30,738
Speaker 3: He had a really bad game. Yep, so you had

835
00:39:30,818 --> 00:39:33,258
Speaker 3: more movement against a good player he would solid.

836
00:39:33,418 --> 00:39:34,418
Speaker 2: He was solid. Again.

837
00:39:34,458 --> 00:39:35,938
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're sending the tape to Canton,

838
00:39:36,018 --> 00:39:39,857
Speaker 3: but like, I didn't have any real issues with him.

839
00:39:39,898 --> 00:39:41,817
Speaker 3: He didn't stand out to me. It's like, what's Ben

840
00:39:41,858 --> 00:39:42,337
Speaker 3: Brown doing?

841
00:39:42,458 --> 00:39:42,618
Speaker 2: Role?

842
00:39:42,658 --> 00:39:44,618
Speaker 3: Ben Brown got beat there, like he held his own

843
00:39:44,978 --> 00:39:48,417
Speaker 3: and he had tough matchups, so good.

844
00:39:48,538 --> 00:39:50,178
Speaker 2: I thought it was solid performance from him. I also

845
00:39:50,178 --> 00:39:52,658
Speaker 2: have a fourth half up. Okay, yeah, no, I thought

846
00:39:52,698 --> 00:39:54,578
Speaker 2: Ben Brown was good in this game, too, wrote I

847
00:39:54,618 --> 00:39:57,258
Speaker 2: wrote about it, and after further review, I thought, you know, look,

848
00:39:57,978 --> 00:40:00,698
Speaker 2: we keep going here with this offensive line and who's

849
00:40:00,698 --> 00:40:04,218
Speaker 2: gonna play and who's not gonna play, and I understand

850
00:40:04,258 --> 00:40:06,857
Speaker 2: that this is not a fairness business. Yeah, and Cole

851
00:40:06,898 --> 00:40:09,418
Speaker 2: Strange is a former first round pick that the coaching

852
00:40:09,458 --> 00:40:12,698
Speaker 2: staff seems kind of high on playing center, and maybe

853
00:40:12,738 --> 00:40:16,378
Speaker 2: Ben Brown ends up being a casualty because of that.

854
00:40:16,698 --> 00:40:18,458
Speaker 2: But I would just say that Ben Brown does not

855
00:40:18,538 --> 00:40:19,258
Speaker 2: deserve to get.

856
00:40:19,218 --> 00:40:21,458
Speaker 3: Ben No, it would be a shame. And look, they

857
00:40:21,538 --> 00:40:23,618
Speaker 3: need a center down the road, and I'm not saying

858
00:40:24,258 --> 00:40:29,378
Speaker 3: Ben Brown is that player. Is he a good backup center? Absolutely? Yeah,

859
00:40:29,418 --> 00:40:32,658
Speaker 3: and maybe deserves a shot to at least compete for

860
00:40:32,818 --> 00:40:35,698
Speaker 3: the future starting job behind David Andrews. Maybe you draft

861
00:40:35,738 --> 00:40:38,337
Speaker 3: somebody on like Day three, but that's a competition. Uh,

862
00:40:38,378 --> 00:40:40,297
Speaker 3: they got to keep this guy in Fuld. He's he's

863
00:40:40,338 --> 00:40:42,698
Speaker 3: an NFL caliber player and they don't necessarily have a

864
00:40:42,698 --> 00:40:44,298
Speaker 3: ton of NFL caliber linemens.

865
00:40:44,418 --> 00:40:46,498
Speaker 2: So all right, So I had my last up. I

866
00:40:46,538 --> 00:40:49,018
Speaker 2: had a few not like honorable mentions. Yeah, I have

867
00:40:49,138 --> 00:40:51,378
Speaker 2: like an honorable mention because I thought it was a

868
00:40:51,378 --> 00:40:54,138
Speaker 2: good game for several guys on the offensive side of

869
00:40:54,178 --> 00:40:57,458
Speaker 2: the ball. So just quickly on the honorable mentions. Yeah,

870
00:40:57,538 --> 00:41:00,138
Speaker 2: even though he was, you know, in on that interception,

871
00:41:00,218 --> 00:41:02,018
Speaker 2: I thought both tight ends were really good in this

872
00:41:02,098 --> 00:41:04,897
Speaker 2: game and the run and pass game. I just want

873
00:41:04,898 --> 00:41:07,058
Speaker 2: to know a little shout out to Austin Hooper. I

874
00:41:07,058 --> 00:41:08,378
Speaker 2: think Austin Hooper has been great.

875
00:41:08,418 --> 00:41:10,418
Speaker 3: He leads the team in touchdown catches. Yeah, and I

876
00:41:10,458 --> 00:41:15,338
Speaker 3: think he's broke the tie with I don't know Jalen Polk. Okay,

877
00:41:15,578 --> 00:41:17,498
Speaker 3: their leaders are Hooper with three, Polk with two, and

878
00:41:17,498 --> 00:41:18,418
Speaker 3: then a bunch of guys have won.

879
00:41:18,578 --> 00:41:21,738
Speaker 2: I thought that he is he's been really, really solid,

880
00:41:21,778 --> 00:41:24,297
Speaker 2: and I think he's been a really reliable veteran guy

881
00:41:24,698 --> 00:41:27,337
Speaker 2: for some of the younger players in that room as well,

882
00:41:27,418 --> 00:41:30,258
Speaker 2: especially Drake May. I think Drake May gets a lot

883
00:41:30,298 --> 00:41:34,138
Speaker 2: of help from both tight ends Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper.

884
00:41:34,778 --> 00:41:37,178
Speaker 2: I thought Hooper was really good. If you watch the

885
00:41:37,258 --> 00:41:40,857
Speaker 2: Ramandre Stevenson's thirty two yard run early in this game

886
00:41:40,898 --> 00:41:43,218
Speaker 2: on the opening drive, Hooper takes out two guys with

887
00:41:43,338 --> 00:41:45,938
Speaker 2: his block. He gets two guys on that play and

888
00:41:45,938 --> 00:41:48,378
Speaker 2: then he obviously had the touchdown. But the up that

889
00:41:48,458 --> 00:41:50,778
Speaker 2: I ended up going with was Antonio Gibson, who I

890
00:41:51,098 --> 00:41:55,538
Speaker 2: just thought was outstanding for rushes over ten yards in

891
00:41:55,578 --> 00:41:59,777
Speaker 2: this game. Continues to be a darling of the analytics,

892
00:41:59,818 --> 00:42:02,938
Speaker 2: you know, yards after contact, that type of stuff. He's

893
00:42:03,018 --> 00:42:05,258
Speaker 2: third in the league right now in yards after contact

894
00:42:05,738 --> 00:42:09,178
Speaker 2: per rush. He should get more touches. He should get

895
00:42:09,218 --> 00:42:12,938
Speaker 2: more touches in this offense. Yeah, he needs to play more,

896
00:42:12,978 --> 00:42:15,418
Speaker 2: he needs to get the ball more. It's it's funny,

897
00:42:15,818 --> 00:42:18,938
Speaker 2: not any no disrespect to Antonio Gibson, but you look

898
00:42:18,938 --> 00:42:22,978
Speaker 2: at the yards per contact leaders and it's like Saquon Barkley,

899
00:42:23,058 --> 00:42:26,778
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry, and Antonio Gibson, and it's just like, why

900
00:42:26,898 --> 00:42:28,777
Speaker 2: is this guy the one that's not touching the ball

901
00:42:28,778 --> 00:42:31,777
Speaker 2: in this offense? Right? You know, he's making a lot

902
00:42:31,818 --> 00:42:34,658
Speaker 2: of yards. And I would also say that he's a

903
00:42:34,698 --> 00:42:38,538
Speaker 2: really good fit for the outside zone scheme, probably better

904
00:42:38,858 --> 00:42:40,498
Speaker 2: than the other guy, which we'll get to here in

905
00:42:40,818 --> 00:42:42,538
Speaker 2: a little bit. So Antonio Gibson.

906
00:42:42,578 --> 00:42:45,098
Speaker 3: So I had one honorable mention of sex from the defense,

907
00:42:45,178 --> 00:42:47,817
Speaker 3: I believe it or not. I was so ready to

908
00:42:47,858 --> 00:42:49,898
Speaker 3: take a massive victory lap and then he had the

909
00:42:49,898 --> 00:42:52,498
Speaker 3: PI late, which is kind of ticky tack. And that's

910
00:42:52,498 --> 00:42:56,138
Speaker 3: Alex Austin. Alex Austin finally got to play defense, and

911
00:42:56,178 --> 00:42:58,418
Speaker 3: he was good. He looked like the guy we saw

912
00:42:58,458 --> 00:43:00,338
Speaker 3: down the stretch last year that you would hope about.

913
00:43:00,738 --> 00:43:02,937
Speaker 3: He belongs, He belongs in this league, and he gives

914
00:43:02,938 --> 00:43:04,658
Speaker 3: you an option on the boundary. He gives you some

915
00:43:04,698 --> 00:43:07,578
Speaker 3: size and physicality on the boundary that you need watching

916
00:43:07,658 --> 00:43:10,938
Speaker 3: him at the catch point. Marcus Jones isn't giving you that.

917
00:43:11,058 --> 00:43:13,458
Speaker 3: Jonathan Jones isn't giving you that, and against some of

918
00:43:13,498 --> 00:43:16,738
Speaker 3: these teams with bigger receivers, you need it. So again

919
00:43:16,778 --> 00:43:20,618
Speaker 3: he had the PI late that was costly, but overall,

920
00:43:21,258 --> 00:43:23,578
Speaker 3: Alex Austin was good and should continue to play a

921
00:43:23,658 --> 00:43:24,538
Speaker 3: role on this defense.

922
00:43:24,618 --> 00:43:26,817
Speaker 2: Agreed. Yeah, I was really impressed with him. He had

923
00:43:27,058 --> 00:43:29,978
Speaker 2: a couple of really great zone drops in this game.

924
00:43:30,098 --> 00:43:32,938
Speaker 2: One he kind of fell off his man because his

925
00:43:32,978 --> 00:43:35,698
Speaker 2: man went under and cover three and he picked up

926
00:43:35,738 --> 00:43:38,418
Speaker 2: the crosser from the backside of the formation, or actually

927
00:43:38,458 --> 00:43:40,218
Speaker 2: might have been in the strength, but regardless, he picked

928
00:43:40,258 --> 00:43:42,178
Speaker 2: up the crosser from the other side of the formation.

929
00:43:42,698 --> 00:43:45,178
Speaker 2: That's hard to do. Like, that's really good discipline. That's

930
00:43:45,218 --> 00:43:47,378
Speaker 2: really good eye discipline and having your eyes in the

931
00:43:47,458 --> 00:43:50,138
Speaker 2: right places, you know, once your guy drops off and

932
00:43:50,178 --> 00:43:51,858
Speaker 2: you and you kind of pass him off to the

933
00:43:51,898 --> 00:43:54,858
Speaker 2: other underneath zones. I thought he was really good in

934
00:43:54,898 --> 00:43:56,978
Speaker 2: this game. And the p I is you know, a ticky,

935
00:43:57,098 --> 00:44:00,218
Speaker 2: tacky jostling for position type PI. I don't hold out

936
00:44:00,218 --> 00:44:03,218
Speaker 2: against him. A great coverage rep on the quarters call

937
00:44:03,338 --> 00:44:05,658
Speaker 2: to knock the post away like that could have been

938
00:44:05,658 --> 00:44:08,298
Speaker 2: a touchdown without safety help in the middle of the field.

939
00:44:08,818 --> 00:44:11,458
Speaker 2: I agree. I thought he was great. Should play more? Yeah, agreed,

940
00:44:11,458 --> 00:44:13,778
Speaker 2: all right, him and Gibson play more. Go to the downs,

941
00:44:14,058 --> 00:44:16,058
Speaker 2: all right, number one down. We already did this just

942
00:44:16,178 --> 00:44:18,898
Speaker 2: game management. Yeah, just as a whole weird We already

943
00:44:18,978 --> 00:44:20,897
Speaker 2: we did twenty minutes on that. Yeah, but yeah, yep,

944
00:44:21,178 --> 00:44:22,738
Speaker 2: I let you do twenty minutes on that.

945
00:44:22,818 --> 00:44:24,418
Speaker 3: You should be thinking it was important. What are you

946
00:44:24,458 --> 00:44:26,898
Speaker 3: talking about the story? Let me do twenty minutes the

947
00:44:26,938 --> 00:44:30,138
Speaker 3: story of the game. That was the story of the game, Evan.

948
00:44:30,538 --> 00:44:30,777
Speaker 5: I know.

949
00:44:30,818 --> 00:44:33,418
Speaker 2: That's why I had to talk about it. You know,

950
00:44:34,098 --> 00:44:36,498
Speaker 2: has to do his job. You know, it really irked

951
00:44:36,498 --> 00:44:38,498
Speaker 2: me to talk about it, you know, the story, but

952
00:44:39,578 --> 00:44:42,498
Speaker 2: act like it was some like detour that we know

953
00:44:42,658 --> 00:44:44,777
Speaker 2: that was the story of the game. That was the

954
00:44:44,938 --> 00:44:47,698
Speaker 2: story of the game. The story of the game was

955
00:44:48,658 --> 00:44:52,898
Speaker 2: my number one down. And not that he is fully

956
00:44:52,938 --> 00:44:55,378
Speaker 2: to blame. I don't mean to put it all on him,

957
00:44:55,778 --> 00:44:57,818
Speaker 2: but the story of the game was not gonna being

958
00:44:57,858 --> 00:45:00,377
Speaker 2: able to stop the Colts on a twenty play drive

959
00:45:00,858 --> 00:45:03,418
Speaker 2: and that ended with a touchdown that was into Kyle

960
00:45:03,498 --> 00:45:06,337
Speaker 2: Dugger's coverage. And I didn't think this game was as

961
00:45:06,338 --> 00:45:09,938
Speaker 2: egregiously bad for Kyle Dugger as the Miami game when

962
00:45:09,978 --> 00:45:12,698
Speaker 2: I watched it live and I watched the film back,

963
00:45:12,738 --> 00:45:14,978
Speaker 2: and I was like, there's still a lot of Kyle

964
00:45:15,058 --> 00:45:17,778
Speaker 2: Dugger issues on this tape. I just I don't know

965
00:45:17,818 --> 00:45:20,618
Speaker 2: where his head's at, you know, I don't know what's

966
00:45:20,698 --> 00:45:23,778
Speaker 2: going on with Kyle Dugger. I don't think this is physical.

967
00:45:24,018 --> 00:45:26,978
Speaker 2: I think this is mental. And he's a much better

968
00:45:27,018 --> 00:45:29,178
Speaker 2: football player than he showed the last couple of weeks

969
00:45:29,218 --> 00:45:32,258
Speaker 2: since he came back from the injury, and they got

970
00:45:32,298 --> 00:45:34,337
Speaker 2: to get him back on the program, like they got

971
00:45:34,338 --> 00:45:37,578
Speaker 2: to get him back mentally locked in. I thought he

972
00:45:37,658 --> 00:45:40,897
Speaker 2: was late on the crossing route on the touchdown, tried

973
00:45:40,938 --> 00:45:45,538
Speaker 2: to recover, couldn't. I thought he had some other minus situations,

974
00:45:45,538 --> 00:45:50,098
Speaker 2: like they ran that crack taw, that crack sweep quarterback

975
00:45:50,098 --> 00:45:54,458
Speaker 2: sweet play and it was a fourth down play, one

976
00:45:54,458 --> 00:45:56,578
Speaker 2: of those fourth and shorts where they went for it

977
00:45:56,978 --> 00:45:59,337
Speaker 2: and the whole stadium knew what play they were gonna run.

978
00:45:59,698 --> 00:46:02,378
Speaker 2: And he gets walloped on the crack block like this

979
00:46:02,498 --> 00:46:05,218
Speaker 2: doesn't even see it coming. That to me, is not

980
00:46:05,458 --> 00:46:09,218
Speaker 2: a player that's like physically impaired. That's a player that's

981
00:46:09,258 --> 00:46:13,418
Speaker 2: not mentally thinking through the game, right, Like this has

982
00:46:13,458 --> 00:46:15,978
Speaker 2: got to be the call right, so I need to

983
00:46:16,018 --> 00:46:18,858
Speaker 2: get over the top of this block, and instead Michael

984
00:46:18,858 --> 00:46:22,578
Speaker 2: Pittman just clocks him and absolutely takes him out. Same

985
00:46:22,618 --> 00:46:24,458
Speaker 2: thing happened to Jaylen Hawkins, to be fair, So I

986
00:46:24,458 --> 00:46:27,098
Speaker 2: could probably put all the safeties on this list, or

987
00:46:27,098 --> 00:46:29,738
Speaker 2: at least those two guys. So I had Dugger as

988
00:46:29,738 --> 00:46:33,178
Speaker 2: the number one down mainly because they just need to

989
00:46:33,178 --> 00:46:35,458
Speaker 2: get him right, Like, whatever it takes, they just need

990
00:46:35,498 --> 00:46:35,858
Speaker 2: to get.

991
00:46:35,858 --> 00:46:38,698
Speaker 3: I had him on my list as well. You say

992
00:46:38,738 --> 00:46:40,897
Speaker 3: it's mental, I wonder if it's if it's a little

993
00:46:40,898 --> 00:46:43,498
Speaker 3: bit of both, or like to me, he feels like

994
00:46:44,578 --> 00:46:47,658
Speaker 3: when he's on, when Kyle Tucker's on, he's so instinctive

995
00:46:47,658 --> 00:46:51,178
Speaker 3: and his ability to recognize something and then the physical

996
00:46:51,218 --> 00:46:55,338
Speaker 3: explosiveness to plant and react to it, and with a

997
00:46:55,378 --> 00:46:57,698
Speaker 3: bad ankle, I wonder if he just doubts his ability

998
00:46:57,738 --> 00:47:00,698
Speaker 3: to do that, and so he's trying to he's overthinking

999
00:47:00,738 --> 00:47:03,777
Speaker 3: things because he's worried about his ability to just go

1000
00:47:03,818 --> 00:47:06,258
Speaker 3: and cut off of it. Yeah, but yeah, I had

1001
00:47:06,338 --> 00:47:07,738
Speaker 3: him as a down to for a lot of the reasons.

1002
00:47:07,778 --> 00:47:09,777
Speaker 3: He said he just he was at the point of

1003
00:47:09,778 --> 00:47:12,978
Speaker 3: attack in on too many plays that the Patriots got

1004
00:47:12,978 --> 00:47:15,458
Speaker 3: beat on and he's supposed to be that's supposed to

1005
00:47:15,458 --> 00:47:17,297
Speaker 3: be a strength to his So he's got to get right.

1006
00:47:17,458 --> 00:47:19,938
Speaker 2: Yep. My number two down is another guy that they

1007
00:47:20,018 --> 00:47:21,777
Speaker 2: just need to figure out. They need to get this

1008
00:47:21,858 --> 00:47:24,538
Speaker 2: guy right. They paid him. He's a guy that's gonna

1009
00:47:24,578 --> 00:47:28,498
Speaker 2: be here. He's not going anywhere. Ramondre Stevenson. I had

1010
00:47:28,578 --> 00:47:31,618
Speaker 2: him in this game responsible for I've run stuffs on

1011
00:47:31,658 --> 00:47:35,898
Speaker 2: his own, just running into piles, you know, tunnel vision,

1012
00:47:36,018 --> 00:47:39,898
Speaker 2: not seeing cutback lanes, not seeing you know, really feeling

1013
00:47:40,258 --> 00:47:42,738
Speaker 2: these zone runs like you know, the zone run game

1014
00:47:42,818 --> 00:47:46,658
Speaker 2: is a rhythmic play. It's not a downhill play. It's

1015
00:47:46,658 --> 00:47:50,618
Speaker 2: a rhythmic play where everything's kind of being concert and

1016
00:47:50,618 --> 00:47:52,378
Speaker 2: then the running back is supposed to flow with the

1017
00:47:52,378 --> 00:47:56,258
Speaker 2: blocking right and black and cut accordingly. I thought there

1018
00:47:56,258 --> 00:47:58,698
Speaker 2: were multiple runs in this game where there was more

1019
00:47:59,018 --> 00:48:03,337
Speaker 2: yards to be had that Remandre just wasn't seeing the cut,

1020
00:48:03,378 --> 00:48:07,298
Speaker 2: the cutback lanes and the right reads, and Antonio Gibson was,

1021
00:48:07,618 --> 00:48:09,498
Speaker 2: which is why he had the big game that he

1022
00:48:09,578 --> 00:48:13,218
Speaker 2: had in this game. So whether it's a scheme fit issue,

1023
00:48:13,778 --> 00:48:16,418
Speaker 2: whether it's a ball security like that's in his head,

1024
00:48:16,498 --> 00:48:19,778
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't speak to the second one.

1025
00:48:20,178 --> 00:48:22,858
Speaker 2: I still I said it when they made this coaching

1026
00:48:22,938 --> 00:48:25,498
Speaker 2: higher and they gave her Mare the contract, that this

1027
00:48:25,538 --> 00:48:28,938
Speaker 2: is what I was worried about. I'm still worried about it.

1028
00:48:28,978 --> 00:48:31,418
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's a great fit for this scheme.

1029
00:48:31,698 --> 00:48:33,778
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, do you think it's possible

1030
00:48:34,138 --> 00:48:36,578
Speaker 3: in the way we talk about quarterbacks getting sped up

1031
00:48:36,578 --> 00:48:38,378
Speaker 3: when they're facing a lot of pressure. Yeah, do you

1032
00:48:38,418 --> 00:48:40,578
Speaker 3: think it's possible for a running back to get sped

1033
00:48:40,658 --> 00:48:44,218
Speaker 3: up in the sense that it just hasn't been blocked

1034
00:48:44,258 --> 00:48:46,978
Speaker 3: for him all year, so now when there are openings,

1035
00:48:47,058 --> 00:48:48,578
Speaker 3: he just doesn't know where to look for him because

1036
00:48:48,618 --> 00:48:51,178
Speaker 3: he's so used to just having to evade that defender

1037
00:48:51,218 --> 00:48:52,338
Speaker 3: immediately in the backfield.

1038
00:48:52,498 --> 00:48:56,018
Speaker 2: It's a really fair point, and I would say that

1039
00:48:56,018 --> 00:48:58,938
Speaker 2: that's definitely on the list of reasons why I think

1040
00:48:59,018 --> 00:49:01,258
Speaker 2: that maybe he's at this point he's seeing.

1041
00:49:00,978 --> 00:49:03,418
Speaker 3: Go like it's impossible that as a running back he's

1042
00:49:03,418 --> 00:49:03,938
Speaker 3: seeing ghosts.

1043
00:49:03,938 --> 00:49:06,618
Speaker 2: It's just very odd to me, especially with Fermandre, because

1044
00:49:06,618 --> 00:49:10,938
Speaker 2: I do feel like he has been a good process

1045
00:49:10,938 --> 00:49:12,618
Speaker 2: cerc like he does read well.

1046
00:49:12,618 --> 00:49:14,938
Speaker 3: That's the thing that's why I ask you this. It's

1047
00:49:14,978 --> 00:49:17,898
Speaker 3: not characteristic of him. Yeah, So I wonder if just

1048
00:49:17,978 --> 00:49:20,018
Speaker 3: the we talked about the start of the season how

1049
00:49:20,058 --> 00:49:22,138
Speaker 3: egregious the run blocking was, and how he was still

1050
00:49:22,178 --> 00:49:24,418
Speaker 3: making so much out of it that he really shouldn't

1051
00:49:24,418 --> 00:49:26,458
Speaker 3: have been. Is it possible that that's all just just

1052
00:49:26,498 --> 00:49:27,498
Speaker 3: gotten to him at this point.

1053
00:49:27,738 --> 00:49:30,818
Speaker 2: Absolutely possible. You know, there's just instances that, you know,

1054
00:49:30,858 --> 00:49:34,258
Speaker 2: with this zone run game where it's just really key

1055
00:49:35,178 --> 00:49:38,458
Speaker 2: want you know, to make quick decisions, you know, decisive decisions,

1056
00:49:39,178 --> 00:49:42,418
Speaker 2: and to really see those cutback lanes forming, Like when

1057
00:49:42,458 --> 00:49:45,618
Speaker 2: there's you know, you're reading usually like the defensive end,

1058
00:49:45,738 --> 00:49:48,578
Speaker 2: the defensive tackle to the linebacker on the play side

1059
00:49:48,618 --> 00:49:51,298
Speaker 2: of the field in that order, and when those guys

1060
00:49:51,338 --> 00:49:53,897
Speaker 2: are flowing outside the numbers and they're trying to set

1061
00:49:53,938 --> 00:49:56,297
Speaker 2: the edge of the defense, you gotta cut it up,

1062
00:49:56,378 --> 00:49:57,978
Speaker 2: like you got to cut it up through the middle

1063
00:49:58,018 --> 00:50:01,258
Speaker 2: of the field. And there's just instances where those cutback

1064
00:50:01,298 --> 00:50:03,297
Speaker 2: lanes are just right there for him. I'm not saying

1065
00:50:03,338 --> 00:50:05,138
Speaker 2: that he's gonna go sixty yards to the house if

1066
00:50:05,138 --> 00:50:08,378
Speaker 2: he cuts it back, but instead of going for one yards,

1067
00:50:08,578 --> 00:50:10,578
Speaker 2: he might get eight or nine yards if he cuts

1068
00:50:10,618 --> 00:50:13,098
Speaker 2: it up the field, Like those are big differences when

1069
00:50:13,298 --> 00:50:15,258
Speaker 2: you know you're a team that wants to run the football.

1070
00:50:15,338 --> 00:50:17,938
Speaker 2: So I just feel like it's a little bit in

1071
00:50:17,978 --> 00:50:20,178
Speaker 2: his head all of it. Probably that a little bit

1072
00:50:20,218 --> 00:50:22,698
Speaker 2: in terms of seeing ghosts. I think the fumbling which

1073
00:50:22,698 --> 00:50:24,618
Speaker 2: he put the ball on the ground again in this

1074
00:50:24,698 --> 00:50:27,898
Speaker 2: game as his sixth fumble of the year, So that

1075
00:50:27,938 --> 00:50:29,938
Speaker 2: goes into the grade too, right like that that's a

1076
00:50:29,978 --> 00:50:34,138
Speaker 2: downgrade situation as well. So I like Ramandre. I think

1077
00:50:34,138 --> 00:50:36,538
Speaker 2: he's a good football player. I think that he's better

1078
00:50:36,578 --> 00:50:38,338
Speaker 2: than he's shown as well in the similar boat as

1079
00:50:38,378 --> 00:50:40,378
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar. But it's a guy you paid in the

1080
00:50:40,418 --> 00:50:42,578
Speaker 2: off season. So he's gonna be here next year. There's

1081
00:50:42,618 --> 00:50:45,698
Speaker 2: really unless they trade him. There's no way out of

1082
00:50:45,698 --> 00:50:48,218
Speaker 2: the contract. Right, Like, he's gonna be here, And I'm

1083
00:50:48,218 --> 00:50:50,498
Speaker 2: not saying they should cut him either, but like, you know,

1084
00:50:50,938 --> 00:50:53,378
Speaker 2: this is your guy, this is your bell cow. You

1085
00:50:53,418 --> 00:50:54,377
Speaker 2: got to figure it out.

1086
00:50:54,698 --> 00:50:59,698
Speaker 3: Yeah, number three Bearinger, Bryce Bearinger and Joey sly combined. Yeah,

1087
00:50:59,818 --> 00:51:02,138
Speaker 3: not even taking the last feel little out of it.

1088
00:51:02,178 --> 00:51:03,498
Speaker 3: He's not expected to take that.

1089
00:51:03,698 --> 00:51:04,018
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1090
00:51:04,058 --> 00:51:06,578
Speaker 3: On the myths, So Joey Slye talked about there being

1091
00:51:06,578 --> 00:51:09,578
Speaker 3: a communication error on the twenty five yard miss and

1092
00:51:09,658 --> 00:51:12,538
Speaker 3: you see him like immediately after he misses the kick,

1093
00:51:12,578 --> 00:51:16,138
Speaker 3: turn around and look at at Bryce. Yeah, and kickers

1094
00:51:16,298 --> 00:51:19,218
Speaker 3: use different holds for different kicks depending on the hash

1095
00:51:19,258 --> 00:51:20,538
Speaker 3: mark on the distance.

1096
00:51:20,538 --> 00:51:22,058
Speaker 2: It can even be like the weather, the wind.

1097
00:51:22,378 --> 00:51:24,058
Speaker 3: It might be you know, you're tilting the ball a

1098
00:51:24,058 --> 00:51:25,418
Speaker 3: little bit to left, a little bit to the right,

1099
00:51:25,498 --> 00:51:29,417
Speaker 3: little background whatever. So clearly something got messed up there

1100
00:51:29,818 --> 00:51:33,858
Speaker 3: where the whole wasn't right and that's on both of them. Yeah,

1101
00:51:33,898 --> 00:51:36,738
Speaker 3: and to miss it by that much like is bad.

1102
00:51:36,778 --> 00:51:39,578
Speaker 3: And you al said Bryce Behinger had a chance to

1103
00:51:39,578 --> 00:51:42,738
Speaker 3: really pin the Colts before that going into that nineteen

1104
00:51:42,778 --> 00:51:46,538
Speaker 3: play drive instead just hits a thirty eight yard punt

1105
00:51:46,578 --> 00:51:49,538
Speaker 3: down to the seventeen that allowed for return as well.

1106
00:51:49,578 --> 00:51:51,698
Speaker 3: Didn't even get nine to twenty on that. So I

1107
00:51:51,738 --> 00:51:54,778
Speaker 3: thought those two guys there were some issues.

1108
00:51:55,018 --> 00:51:59,138
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bryce Berenger, you're the punter guy, so I'll let

1109
00:51:59,218 --> 00:52:02,258
Speaker 2: you answer this. But kind of feels like he's had

1110
00:52:02,298 --> 00:52:07,098
Speaker 2: a bad year. Is that. I don't want to go here.

1111
00:52:07,378 --> 00:52:10,058
Speaker 2: But it's not quite as bad as Jake Bailey.

1112
00:52:10,138 --> 00:52:14,418
Speaker 3: No, but he had the one in Jacksonville where he

1113
00:52:14,778 --> 00:52:16,978
Speaker 3: hits the crap out of the ball, Yeah, and overkicked

1114
00:52:16,978 --> 00:52:19,138
Speaker 3: out cases covered and the Jacks return it.

1115
00:52:19,258 --> 00:52:19,498
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1116
00:52:19,498 --> 00:52:23,698
Speaker 3: And it feels like since then he's been like almost

1117
00:52:23,738 --> 00:52:26,337
Speaker 3: taking something off to make sure he doesn't out kick

1118
00:52:26,378 --> 00:52:28,777
Speaker 3: his coverage. And it's now he's maybe taking a little

1119
00:52:28,778 --> 00:52:30,818
Speaker 3: too much off, right, So he might he might need

1120
00:52:30,858 --> 00:52:31,858
Speaker 3: a little bit of a reset there.

1121
00:52:31,858 --> 00:52:32,098
Speaker 2: I mean that.

1122
00:52:32,258 --> 00:52:34,578
Speaker 3: Look, I'm not expecting even to pin them inside the

1123
00:52:34,658 --> 00:52:38,538
Speaker 3: three with that kick, especially in those conditions, but to

1124
00:52:38,618 --> 00:52:41,138
Speaker 3: the seventeen from where they were, he could do a

1125
00:52:41,138 --> 00:52:41,777
Speaker 3: little better than that.

1126
00:52:42,018 --> 00:52:46,538
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, last one, Laden Robinson. I didn't think

1127
00:52:46,578 --> 00:52:49,458
Speaker 2: he was terrible, but I just didn't think it was.

1128
00:52:49,738 --> 00:52:53,818
Speaker 2: It was quite good enough. Still, I would say I

1129
00:52:53,938 --> 00:52:57,058
Speaker 2: had him with four pressures allowed in this game. He

1130
00:52:57,098 --> 00:53:00,058
Speaker 2: obviously got called for both holds. Two of the pressures

1131
00:53:00,058 --> 00:53:04,897
Speaker 2: again come on like line stunts, like postline movement one.

1132
00:53:05,018 --> 00:53:07,938
Speaker 2: He he he went to the linebacker coming from the

1133
00:53:07,938 --> 00:53:10,498
Speaker 2: second level when he had Remandre and Blitz pick up

1134
00:53:10,578 --> 00:53:14,058
Speaker 2: like usually you talk, you think back on backer, right,

1135
00:53:14,098 --> 00:53:16,898
Speaker 2: like the running back has has the linebacker and then

1136
00:53:16,938 --> 00:53:19,937
Speaker 2: you block the big guys up front. So I thought

1137
00:53:19,938 --> 00:53:23,857
Speaker 2: that was on him. And you just keep going through

1138
00:53:23,858 --> 00:53:25,898
Speaker 2: some of these pressures like some of the ones against

1139
00:53:25,898 --> 00:53:28,058
Speaker 2: you gave up a pressure against Buckner, Like I'm not

1140
00:53:28,058 --> 00:53:30,698
Speaker 2: gonna kill him for it against the player like that,

1141
00:53:30,818 --> 00:53:33,777
Speaker 2: But some of these line movements and things like that, Uh,

1142
00:53:33,978 --> 00:53:36,098
Speaker 2: this is why Michael Jordan got benched just because he

1143
00:53:36,098 --> 00:53:38,458
Speaker 2: couldn't pick up stunts. So if the next guy can't

1144
00:53:38,458 --> 00:53:41,258
Speaker 2: pick up a stunt either, then I start to think about, II,

1145
00:53:41,338 --> 00:53:43,498
Speaker 2: what are we coaching these guys on these things? Right? Like,

1146
00:53:43,538 --> 00:53:46,298
Speaker 2: how are we preparing these guys for line movement and

1147
00:53:46,378 --> 00:53:49,698
Speaker 2: picks and games and things like that, the defensive lines,

1148
00:53:49,778 --> 00:53:52,218
Speaker 2: like the play up front. So I did see some

1149
00:53:52,298 --> 00:53:54,857
Speaker 2: of the physicality, like I can see where girod Mayo

1150
00:53:54,978 --> 00:53:56,978
Speaker 2: is coming from that that he's a physical guy and

1151
00:53:57,258 --> 00:53:59,538
Speaker 2: he moves people on the line of scrimmage. But the

1152
00:53:59,578 --> 00:54:01,618
Speaker 2: pass pro has still got a long way to go.

1153
00:54:01,818 --> 00:54:04,898
Speaker 2: So yeah, I had him as number three on the downs.

1154
00:54:04,938 --> 00:54:07,777
Speaker 2: All right. So there's there's the Colts. I hope you

1155
00:54:07,858 --> 00:54:10,138
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. Fun game. It was a fun game. It

1156
00:54:10,178 --> 00:54:12,498
Speaker 2: was a game. It was a fun I enjoyed that game. Yeah,

1157
00:54:12,578 --> 00:54:16,018
Speaker 2: I agree, let's take these calls and then we'll get

1158
00:54:16,098 --> 00:54:18,978
Speaker 2: right into the draft, and get right into the draft.

1159
00:54:20,418 --> 00:54:22,498
Speaker 2: I know I keep teasing it, but before we take

1160
00:54:22,538 --> 00:54:25,498
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1169
00:54:54,458 --> 00:54:58,058
Speaker 2: Patty is an agoam. What's up, Patty?

1170
00:54:59,498 --> 00:55:00,858
Speaker 6: What is going on? Gentlemen?

1171
00:55:00,978 --> 00:55:01,777
Speaker 2: Hey? What's up?

1172
00:55:04,098 --> 00:55:07,018
Speaker 6: Not too much so, of course the bye week. I'm

1173
00:55:07,058 --> 00:55:09,738
Speaker 6: glad you guys just talking draft. I wanted to throw

1174
00:55:09,978 --> 00:55:13,458
Speaker 6: a quick draft question out there for you guys, more

1175
00:55:13,498 --> 00:55:16,058
Speaker 6: specifically to Alex, because I know like you've been paying

1176
00:55:16,058 --> 00:55:18,138
Speaker 6: attention a little bit more heaven. I know you're getting

1177
00:55:18,178 --> 00:55:21,018
Speaker 6: caught up and stuff. But I brought up this name

1178
00:55:21,058 --> 00:55:24,698
Speaker 6: before and I just wanted to get your opinion on this,

1179
00:55:25,258 --> 00:55:30,778
Speaker 6: both of you guys. But Josh Simmons, How would you

1180
00:55:30,778 --> 00:55:33,658
Speaker 6: guys feel, specifically Alex, that you two haven't How would

1181
00:55:33,658 --> 00:55:35,897
Speaker 6: you feel if if we did take take a left

1182
00:55:35,898 --> 00:55:39,578
Speaker 6: tackle early, like Will Campbell or Kelvin Banks junior, and

1183
00:55:40,258 --> 00:55:42,498
Speaker 6: we took him like if he falls to like the

1184
00:55:42,578 --> 00:55:45,658
Speaker 6: fourth round and he's he's just there and he's too

1185
00:55:45,698 --> 00:55:47,538
Speaker 6: intriguing to pass up, I mean, would.

1186
00:55:47,298 --> 00:55:47,777
Speaker 5: He doubled it?

1187
00:55:47,858 --> 00:55:51,098
Speaker 6: Because, like like we've seen this year, we not only

1188
00:55:51,138 --> 00:55:54,738
Speaker 6: need talent, we need depth too. And I mean, if

1189
00:55:54,738 --> 00:55:56,498
Speaker 6: you take two guys that are got to have good

1190
00:55:56,578 --> 00:55:58,938
Speaker 6: high upside, you got to figure that at least one

1191
00:55:58,978 --> 00:56:01,178
Speaker 6: of them is going to work out. And I have

1192
00:56:01,898 --> 00:56:07,898
Speaker 6: the dream scenario too. Here's a dream scenario. We trade

1193
00:56:07,898 --> 00:56:10,978
Speaker 6: with Oakland and now we finished like either top two

1194
00:56:11,098 --> 00:56:15,338
Speaker 6: or top three Oakland does or I'm sorry, Vegas, Vegas.

1195
00:56:15,378 --> 00:56:19,538
Speaker 6: The Raiders do what the Raiders do, and they trade

1196
00:56:19,618 --> 00:56:25,178
Speaker 6: us their twenty twenty sixth first round pick, plus they're

1197
00:56:25,178 --> 00:56:28,018
Speaker 6: pick in the second round and their first round pick

1198
00:56:28,978 --> 00:56:32,978
Speaker 6: bought first round picks with them. They we take a

1199
00:56:33,058 --> 00:56:35,538
Speaker 6: left tackle and Alex, we take one of those second

1200
00:56:35,578 --> 00:56:38,098
Speaker 6: round picks. That swap it for day Let's go.

1201
00:56:38,418 --> 00:56:39,458
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that.

1202
00:56:39,458 --> 00:56:42,378
Speaker 3: That's that's a perfect scenario and thanks for the call, Patty.

1203
00:56:42,498 --> 00:56:45,337
Speaker 3: That is the perfect scenario for me. So Josh simm

1204
00:56:45,378 --> 00:56:46,378
Speaker 3: is a really interesting player.

1205
00:56:46,618 --> 00:56:49,138
Speaker 2: It's because this this crawls up your backside a little bit,

1206
00:56:49,178 --> 00:56:49,738
Speaker 2: which I like.

1207
00:56:50,018 --> 00:56:53,578
Speaker 3: So for people who don't know, Simmons is a tackle

1208
00:56:53,618 --> 00:56:56,417
Speaker 3: from Ohio State. Uh, he just declared for the draft,

1209
00:56:56,498 --> 00:56:58,538
Speaker 3: so he's he's officially coming out left tackle.

1210
00:56:58,578 --> 00:56:58,898
Speaker 2: There.

1211
00:56:59,698 --> 00:57:02,698
Speaker 3: Good player, and he had a really good start to

1212
00:57:02,738 --> 00:57:04,778
Speaker 3: the season. Was viewed as like a top one hundred

1213
00:57:04,818 --> 00:57:10,098
Speaker 3: prospect coming in and started moving into that first round range.

1214
00:57:10,578 --> 00:57:14,618
Speaker 3: He then tore his ACL. I think was in late September. Yeah, so,

1215
00:57:15,018 --> 00:57:16,738
Speaker 3: oh no, it's later in that. It was whenever he

1216
00:57:17,178 --> 00:57:19,618
Speaker 3: was October. He didn't play against Penn State, I know that,

1217
00:57:19,698 --> 00:57:22,578
Speaker 3: which was so yeah, yeah, okay, So he tore his ACL.

1218
00:57:22,618 --> 00:57:25,658
Speaker 3: It was like mid October then, and so there's that

1219
00:57:25,858 --> 00:57:29,138
Speaker 3: element of it. So I think a lot of Patriots

1220
00:57:29,218 --> 00:57:31,658
Speaker 3: fans see that and see the trajectory he was on

1221
00:57:31,698 --> 00:57:33,858
Speaker 3: and see the injury and say, well, okay, we need

1222
00:57:33,858 --> 00:57:36,418
Speaker 3: a first round tackle. Here's a first round tackle in

1223
00:57:36,418 --> 00:57:38,378
Speaker 3: the second round. So I can still get my shiny

1224
00:57:38,378 --> 00:57:40,258
Speaker 3: new toy. I can still get ted McMillan. I can

1225
00:57:40,298 --> 00:57:43,378
Speaker 3: still get Travis Hunter, but why is he going in

1226
00:57:43,378 --> 00:57:46,458
Speaker 3: the second round? Sure, right, he's coming off of torn

1227
00:57:46,498 --> 00:57:50,018
Speaker 3: ACL And could he end up being a good player still, yes,

1228
00:57:50,058 --> 00:57:53,858
Speaker 3: of course, but there's significant unknown that comes with that.

1229
00:57:53,898 --> 00:57:55,058
Speaker 2: Is it gonna be a good player, He's gonna be

1230
00:57:55,098 --> 00:57:56,578
Speaker 2: ready to start the season. Yeah?

1231
00:57:56,618 --> 00:57:58,658
Speaker 3: If not, then okay, now you still need to get

1232
00:57:58,658 --> 00:58:00,738
Speaker 3: you either run it back to the Darien Lowe or

1233
00:58:00,778 --> 00:58:03,338
Speaker 3: you still need to get a starting caliber tackle. And

1234
00:58:03,978 --> 00:58:06,338
Speaker 3: you know, we've been down this road with guys like

1235
00:58:06,378 --> 00:58:09,658
Speaker 3: Dominique Easley where you're not necessarily gonna get the same

1236
00:58:09,658 --> 00:58:13,058
Speaker 3: guy coming off of torn ACL. So for where Simmons

1237
00:58:13,178 --> 00:58:15,738
Speaker 3: is projected to go, even after the injury, which is

1238
00:58:15,778 --> 00:58:19,418
Speaker 3: top fifty, he's unless you're gonna go tackle tackle, he's

1239
00:58:19,498 --> 00:58:22,218
Speaker 3: probably the first tackle you're gonna take. And I just

1240
00:58:23,138 --> 00:58:25,738
Speaker 3: it's kicking the can again, Evan. It's another half measure.

1241
00:58:25,778 --> 00:58:29,098
Speaker 3: And how many times have we talked about like this

1242
00:58:29,338 --> 00:58:32,138
Speaker 3: not they can't keep doing that if they still at

1243
00:58:32,178 --> 00:58:34,218
Speaker 3: Trent Brown, Right, if it was like two years ago

1244
00:58:34,218 --> 00:58:35,858
Speaker 3: and it's sorry, you got one more year Trent Brown,

1245
00:58:36,338 --> 00:58:39,298
Speaker 3: then yeah, it makes perfect sense. But I just think

1246
00:58:39,298 --> 00:58:41,218
Speaker 3: for where they are right now. No, now, if he

1247
00:58:41,298 --> 00:58:43,498
Speaker 3: falls to the fourth, like Patty said, if you can

1248
00:58:43,538 --> 00:58:46,938
Speaker 3: get him down there, absolutely, because he's certainly worth that flyer,

1249
00:58:47,018 --> 00:58:48,338
Speaker 3: especially if he's your second tackle.

1250
00:58:48,578 --> 00:58:49,938
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna fall that far.

1251
00:58:50,018 --> 00:58:52,578
Speaker 3: And the reality is, if he does, it probably means

1252
00:58:52,618 --> 00:58:54,298
Speaker 3: there were some red flags in the medical check, and

1253
00:58:54,338 --> 00:58:57,098
Speaker 3: now we're talking about maybe a Malcolm Mitchell type situation.

1254
00:58:57,778 --> 00:59:00,538
Speaker 3: But so I don't hate the player. I think he

1255
00:59:00,618 --> 00:59:03,458
Speaker 3: makes sense in a certain situation. I just don't think

1256
00:59:03,458 --> 00:59:06,018
Speaker 3: he makes sense for the situation Patriots are in because

1257
00:59:06,058 --> 00:59:08,818
Speaker 3: they need a guy that can step in and play,

1258
00:59:09,098 --> 00:59:14,218
Speaker 3: and Josh Simmons, for what his upside is, isn't guaranteed

1259
00:59:14,258 --> 00:59:15,778
Speaker 3: to be a guy who can step in and play

1260
00:59:15,818 --> 00:59:17,098
Speaker 3: starting caliber tackle for you.

1261
00:59:17,298 --> 00:59:19,578
Speaker 2: So I agree with everything you said. I think the

1262
00:59:19,178 --> 00:59:22,338
Speaker 2: one thing that you know you mentioned that is the

1263
00:59:23,458 --> 00:59:28,138
Speaker 2: potential play here, just as play Devil's Advocate, if they

1264
00:59:28,298 --> 00:59:31,818
Speaker 2: sign a Garrett Bowles, if they sign a Cam rob

1265
00:59:31,818 --> 00:59:34,658
Speaker 2: and sure, then you go ahead and you and you

1266
00:59:34,738 --> 00:59:37,658
Speaker 2: throw the dart at Josh Simmons, who A lot of

1267
00:59:37,738 --> 00:59:40,858
Speaker 2: people that I trust think that he might be the

1268
00:59:40,898 --> 00:59:43,858
Speaker 2: best pure left tackle of the draft. Like the player,

1269
00:59:43,898 --> 00:59:46,618
Speaker 2: like not not necessarily the best blocker, right, like you

1270
00:59:46,658 --> 00:59:49,138
Speaker 2: know they don't. They don't think he's a better prospect

1271
00:59:49,178 --> 00:59:52,098
Speaker 2: than Will Campbell. But because of Will Campbell's concerns with

1272
00:59:52,218 --> 00:59:54,618
Speaker 2: arm length and if he's gonna play tackle, you know,

1273
00:59:54,738 --> 00:59:57,378
Speaker 2: just the guy that is the best, you know, cut

1274
00:59:57,378 --> 01:00:00,218
Speaker 2: from the cloth type of guy to play tackle, it

1275
01:00:00,258 --> 01:00:03,618
Speaker 2: would be Josh Simmons. So in my mind, I don't

1276
01:00:03,738 --> 01:00:05,858
Speaker 2: hate the plan because this kind of gets to what

1277
01:00:05,898 --> 01:00:08,098
Speaker 2: I my sort of big picture thought on the on

1278
01:00:08,178 --> 01:00:10,738
Speaker 2: this draft, the top of the draft class. I don't

1279
01:00:10,738 --> 01:00:13,378
Speaker 2: hate the plan, but the plan has to come with

1280
01:00:13,778 --> 01:00:17,498
Speaker 2: a immediate stop gap and not Venerian Low. It has

1281
01:00:17,538 --> 01:00:20,298
Speaker 2: to be somebody better, like a Garrett Bowles, like a

1282
01:00:20,338 --> 01:00:21,058
Speaker 2: cam rob.

1283
01:00:21,058 --> 01:00:23,818
Speaker 3: Now that's a guy you're giving a premium contract at.

1284
01:00:23,898 --> 01:00:26,498
Speaker 3: So yes, are you gonna use? Can they afford? So

1285
01:00:26,858 --> 01:00:29,258
Speaker 3: you're not signing Garrett Bowles as a bridge guy in

1286
01:00:29,258 --> 01:00:31,138
Speaker 3: the sense that, all right, well, Simms is gonna be

1287
01:00:31,178 --> 01:00:32,498
Speaker 3: ready in October, so we're gonna.

1288
01:00:32,298 --> 01:00:35,378
Speaker 2: Start here starting no. And my guess, in my mind,

1289
01:00:35,458 --> 01:00:38,538
Speaker 2: this team afford to use what's going to be a

1290
01:00:38,578 --> 01:00:40,658
Speaker 2: top forty pick if you want to take Simmons, I

1291
01:00:40,658 --> 01:00:42,858
Speaker 2: think can this team afford to use a top forty

1292
01:00:42,898 --> 01:00:44,698
Speaker 2: pick on a guy that's not gonna play as a rookie.

1293
01:00:46,418 --> 01:00:48,498
Speaker 2: What what if he plays right tackle?

1294
01:00:49,498 --> 01:00:52,058
Speaker 3: I would rather bowls move that like, no, because now

1295
01:00:52,098 --> 01:00:54,298
Speaker 3: you're if he's gonna play left tackle, you gotta develop

1296
01:00:54,338 --> 01:00:56,378
Speaker 3: him left tackle. You gotta let him learn to play there. Gain,

1297
01:00:56,498 --> 01:00:58,818
Speaker 3: we're crossing wires and we're trying to find ways to

1298
01:00:58,818 --> 01:01:02,338
Speaker 3: make a convenient No, just invest in the position.

1299
01:01:02,418 --> 01:01:03,178
Speaker 2: It's left tackle.

1300
01:01:03,218 --> 01:01:05,098
Speaker 3: It's one of the most important positions on the we're

1301
01:01:05,098 --> 01:01:06,298
Speaker 3: going to do you do you disagree?

1302
01:01:06,298 --> 01:01:06,458
Speaker 2: Though?

1303
01:01:06,858 --> 01:01:09,258
Speaker 3: I don't like can I don't we stop with the

1304
01:01:09,298 --> 01:01:10,978
Speaker 3: half measures and getting cute at left tackle?

1305
01:01:11,058 --> 01:01:11,178
Speaker 6: Well?

1306
01:01:11,618 --> 01:01:14,538
Speaker 2: Yes, but but I'm not getting cute. I'm signing Garrett Bulls,

1307
01:01:14,538 --> 01:01:15,578
Speaker 2: who's a franchise.

1308
01:01:15,418 --> 01:01:19,218
Speaker 3: Okay, but then if you're drafting Josh Simmons, let him

1309
01:01:19,218 --> 01:01:20,018
Speaker 3: work at left tackle.

1310
01:01:20,138 --> 01:01:22,178
Speaker 2: I agree, I would let him work at left tackle.

1311
01:01:22,218 --> 01:01:24,498
Speaker 2: My only thing is is, like, if he's healthy and

1312
01:01:24,578 --> 01:01:26,618
Speaker 2: gets healthy his rookie season and you want to put

1313
01:01:26,698 --> 01:01:29,138
Speaker 2: him on the field, then you can always get his

1314
01:01:29,138 --> 01:01:31,018
Speaker 2: feet wet in the NFL by playing him at in

1315
01:01:31,018 --> 01:01:34,458
Speaker 2: the right side. I guess I just I they've done it.

1316
01:01:34,658 --> 01:01:37,498
Speaker 2: In the past, like and look what I don't mean,

1317
01:01:37,618 --> 01:01:41,258
Speaker 2: like this pass, like the bad pass. Now it was

1318
01:01:41,298 --> 01:01:43,778
Speaker 2: a different past. It was Tom Brady was your quarterback

1319
01:01:43,818 --> 01:01:46,658
Speaker 2: and Bill Belichick was your head coach. But Nate Solder

1320
01:01:46,658 --> 01:01:49,298
Speaker 2: did this right where Matt Light was still here and

1321
01:01:49,378 --> 01:01:51,938
Speaker 2: they had Nate Solder waiting in the wings. He played

1322
01:01:51,938 --> 01:01:53,738
Speaker 2: a little six to zero line. He played a little

1323
01:01:53,818 --> 01:01:57,218
Speaker 2: right tackle right like they just to get him involved as.

1324
01:01:57,138 --> 01:02:00,178
Speaker 3: A road So all right, again, can this team afford

1325
01:02:00,218 --> 01:02:01,698
Speaker 3: to use the top forty pick on a guy that

1326
01:02:01,858 --> 01:02:04,778
Speaker 3: is just involved and not a full time starter? And

1327
01:02:05,178 --> 01:02:07,778
Speaker 3: this also is predicated on the idea, So how how

1328
01:02:07,818 --> 01:02:08,978
Speaker 3: long you signing gear Boles for?

1329
01:02:09,778 --> 01:02:13,058
Speaker 2: Right that you would get Garrett Bowles on like a

1330
01:02:13,058 --> 01:02:13,738
Speaker 2: two year deal.

1331
01:02:14,258 --> 01:02:15,978
Speaker 3: I think he's probably gonna get three years.

1332
01:02:16,138 --> 01:02:18,658
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, so I just said it to play Devil's out.

1333
01:02:18,818 --> 01:02:21,618
Speaker 2: That's fair enough, good player. I just it.

1334
01:02:21,858 --> 01:02:23,818
Speaker 3: They can't afford to use that pick on a guy

1335
01:02:23,858 --> 01:02:25,978
Speaker 3: that's not gonna play.

1336
01:02:25,858 --> 01:02:28,338
Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough? All right? Mark is in Connecticut?

1337
01:02:28,418 --> 01:02:29,858
Speaker 2: What's up? Mark?

1338
01:02:30,538 --> 01:02:31,418
Speaker 5: Steppy? Bye week?

1339
01:02:31,498 --> 01:02:36,298
Speaker 2: Guys, stay New Year. If I don't talk to you, Uh.

1340
01:02:36,778 --> 01:02:38,698
Speaker 5: Just had a couple of quick things for you, guys.

1341
01:02:38,858 --> 01:02:41,298
Speaker 5: I'm just not happy. Here's the first thing. I'm not

1342
01:02:41,338 --> 01:02:45,698
Speaker 5: happy with Girod Mayo with his just non aggressiveness with

1343
01:02:45,778 --> 01:02:48,498
Speaker 5: a lot of you know, end of game decisions. And

1344
01:02:48,538 --> 01:02:50,778
Speaker 5: I know you guys talked about it earlier, but I

1345
01:02:50,778 --> 01:02:52,618
Speaker 5: think you guys were kind of alluded to it that

1346
01:02:53,018 --> 01:02:54,898
Speaker 5: he just needs to be more aggressive because what does

1347
01:02:54,898 --> 01:02:57,818
Speaker 5: he have to lose with this team this year. I'd

1348
01:02:57,938 --> 01:03:02,138
Speaker 5: rather be more aggressive on those type of end of

1349
01:03:02,138 --> 01:03:04,898
Speaker 5: game decisions, and I'm just not seeing that. The other

1350
01:03:04,938 --> 01:03:10,338
Speaker 5: thing is any possibility of Mike Vrabel coming back here

1351
01:03:10,378 --> 01:03:14,538
Speaker 5: and maybe having Girod Mayo take a step down and

1352
01:03:14,658 --> 01:03:17,658
Speaker 5: be at d C because I think he needs a

1353
01:03:17,698 --> 01:03:23,098
Speaker 5: little more grooming in that area as well. And DeMarcus Cummington.

1354
01:03:23,698 --> 01:03:26,378
Speaker 5: I like the guy, but I don't think that he's

1355
01:03:26,458 --> 01:03:28,458
Speaker 5: a d C right now. So I don't know why

1356
01:03:28,578 --> 01:03:32,058
Speaker 5: Gerard isn't getting more of his hand on that defense

1357
01:03:32,578 --> 01:03:35,898
Speaker 5: right now. And then the other thing for the draft, Alex,

1358
01:03:36,138 --> 01:03:38,538
Speaker 5: tell me what you think. I know everybody likes Trevor,

1359
01:03:39,098 --> 01:03:44,338
Speaker 5: Trevor Hunt, Travis Hunter. I love the Mike Evans replica

1360
01:03:44,898 --> 01:03:48,738
Speaker 5: t Mac. What do you think about t Mac in that? Uh,

1361
01:03:48,938 --> 01:03:51,138
Speaker 5: you know, top five pick that we would have. What's

1362
01:03:51,178 --> 01:03:52,098
Speaker 5: your thought on that, Alex?

1363
01:03:52,498 --> 01:03:54,858
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call. Mark. We're gonna get the team where.

1364
01:03:54,858 --> 01:03:58,498
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a second. Yeah, unvariable. Look,

1365
01:03:58,578 --> 01:04:01,258
Speaker 2: Girodmeo is not getting demoted, right, that doesn't happen. Nobody's

1366
01:04:01,258 --> 01:04:03,418
Speaker 2: getting I've seen that. Well. Can you demote Alex van

1367
01:04:03,458 --> 01:04:04,778
Speaker 2: Pelt to quarterbacks coach? Like it?

1368
01:04:04,898 --> 01:04:06,978
Speaker 3: Actually, when I say it never happens, it sort of

1369
01:04:07,018 --> 01:04:09,778
Speaker 3: happened with Matt grow but that was incredibly rare.

1370
01:04:09,978 --> 01:04:12,938
Speaker 2: No, and now his front office. You don't take a

1371
01:04:13,018 --> 01:04:15,458
Speaker 2: head coach and demote him to defensive coordinator.

1372
01:04:15,578 --> 01:04:15,698
Speaker 5: Right.

1373
01:04:15,818 --> 01:04:18,578
Speaker 2: You might take play calling duties from a coordinator, which

1374
01:04:18,618 --> 01:04:20,738
Speaker 2: I guess is sort of a demotion, but you don't

1375
01:04:20,778 --> 01:04:21,258
Speaker 2: do that at the.

1376
01:04:21,298 --> 01:04:24,898
Speaker 3: Head No, you don't. It's even super Who is it

1377
01:04:24,978 --> 01:04:26,218
Speaker 3: as back where he is it?

1378
01:04:26,498 --> 01:04:27,658
Speaker 2: Raheem Morris? Yeah?

1379
01:04:27,898 --> 01:04:30,658
Speaker 3: Is back where he coached as the DC now the

1380
01:04:30,698 --> 01:04:31,138
Speaker 3: head coach?

1381
01:04:31,218 --> 01:04:33,458
Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh no, he's the head coach there? Who am

1382
01:04:33,458 --> 01:04:36,698
Speaker 2: I thinking of? Were he Morris is in Atlanta? Yeah?

1383
01:04:36,738 --> 01:04:37,898
Speaker 2: But isn't a head coach? Yeah?

1384
01:04:38,298 --> 01:04:41,618
Speaker 3: No, there's somebody in the league. Is the DC somewhere

1385
01:04:41,618 --> 01:04:43,458
Speaker 3: where they had been ahead coach and gotten fired?

1386
01:04:44,778 --> 01:04:47,898
Speaker 2: Oh? I, oh, yeah, who are you talking about? This

1387
01:04:47,978 --> 01:04:48,618
Speaker 2: is gonna bug me.

1388
01:04:49,018 --> 01:04:50,378
Speaker 3: I saw it the other day and I was like, oh,

1389
01:04:50,458 --> 01:04:56,658
Speaker 3: that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, uh it is oh Vance, Joseph Vance,

1390
01:04:56,738 --> 01:04:59,458
Speaker 3: Joseph in denvery. Yeah, because he was he was there

1391
01:04:59,498 --> 01:05:01,178
Speaker 3: having the time of his life, and then he wasn't.

1392
01:05:01,178 --> 01:05:03,018
Speaker 2: And now he's back and having the time of his life.

1393
01:05:03,058 --> 01:05:05,898
Speaker 2: Giving up five hundred yards to Jamis Winston is having

1394
01:05:05,938 --> 01:05:10,498
Speaker 2: a respect Jameis Winston. Yes, he did have waited.

1395
01:05:10,978 --> 01:05:12,738
Speaker 3: The Lord is going to deliver him from pick six

1396
01:05:12,778 --> 01:05:13,538
Speaker 3: to either he said.

1397
01:05:13,618 --> 01:05:16,098
Speaker 2: James hasn't been throwing pick six as his old NFL career.

1398
01:05:16,138 --> 01:05:17,378
Speaker 2: I don't think the Lord's helping him.

1399
01:05:17,338 --> 01:05:21,618
Speaker 3: Thirty thirty man, thirty thirty club to the the Rabel point.

1400
01:05:21,698 --> 01:05:24,538
Speaker 3: And this is something we talked about a lot last offseason. Yes,

1401
01:05:24,978 --> 01:05:28,138
Speaker 3: it wouldn't be moving Mayo down. It would be would

1402
01:05:28,138 --> 01:05:30,858
Speaker 3: Mike Vrabel take a kind of head of football opera rations?

1403
01:05:30,938 --> 01:05:31,058
Speaker 4: Right?

1404
01:05:31,138 --> 01:05:35,378
Speaker 2: I just think that he's so do I we love

1405
01:05:35,498 --> 01:05:38,978
Speaker 2: this idea. I love this. It's so dicey now because

1406
01:05:38,978 --> 01:05:41,858
Speaker 2: of all the fire that's on girod Mayo. If Rabel's

1407
01:05:41,898 --> 01:05:45,578
Speaker 2: here like held, you know, hanging over him all like

1408
01:05:45,858 --> 01:05:47,738
Speaker 2: all the fans are just gonna want able to be

1409
01:05:47,818 --> 01:05:49,538
Speaker 2: the head coach. You gotta do it best for the team.

1410
01:05:49,578 --> 01:05:51,218
Speaker 3: Of having somebody in that roles, what's best for the team,

1411
01:05:51,258 --> 01:05:51,978
Speaker 3: you gotta be willing to take.

1412
01:05:52,218 --> 01:05:55,258
Speaker 2: I just think it's tough to uh to to put

1413
01:05:55,818 --> 01:05:58,618
Speaker 2: Girod in that situation. What if it's not Rabel, Like,

1414
01:05:58,658 --> 01:06:00,538
Speaker 2: I still think hiring somebody in that role. I remember

1415
01:06:00,538 --> 01:06:03,458
Speaker 2: it's for for Wolf and grow too. Yeah, Like, I

1416
01:06:03,938 --> 01:06:06,338
Speaker 2: still think there'd be value in adding that role. Yeah,

1417
01:06:06,338 --> 01:06:07,938
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. You know, when I was watching

1418
01:06:07,978 --> 01:06:11,738
Speaker 2: Monday night football, it was a good game. It was

1419
01:06:11,738 --> 01:06:15,738
Speaker 2: Monday Night, right, yeahs Browns and uh, they panned to

1420
01:06:15,818 --> 01:06:18,498
Speaker 2: the to the brown sideline and Rabel was just standing

1421
01:06:18,578 --> 01:06:21,178
Speaker 2: there on the sideline and I did do a double

1422
01:06:21,218 --> 01:06:24,978
Speaker 2: take of like, in an alternate universe like this, this

1423
01:06:25,098 --> 01:06:28,458
Speaker 2: could have been different. Uh, but I you know, look

1424
01:06:28,498 --> 01:06:32,018
Speaker 2: at it isn't. So that's where we're at. But no,

1425
01:06:32,218 --> 01:06:34,818
Speaker 2: I I don't think they I don't like the idea

1426
01:06:36,018 --> 01:06:38,298
Speaker 2: of bringing Rabel in now because of how year one

1427
01:06:38,378 --> 01:06:40,418
Speaker 2: has gone for Girad MAO. I think that would be

1428
01:06:40,978 --> 01:06:43,018
Speaker 2: that would be tough. You know, I was talking to

1429
01:06:43,098 --> 01:06:45,818
Speaker 2: somebody off the air yesterday about this, uh, you know,

1430
01:06:45,978 --> 01:06:49,578
Speaker 2: just about defensive coordinator and names and things, and you know,

1431
01:06:49,658 --> 01:06:52,858
Speaker 2: obviously like Brian Flores, right, Like, I don't know if

1432
01:06:52,898 --> 01:06:54,978
Speaker 2: you'd make a lateral move, but I'm just saying, you know,

1433
01:06:55,898 --> 01:06:59,298
Speaker 2: Brian Flores is an example. That's another one where can

1434
01:06:59,378 --> 01:07:01,778
Speaker 2: you really bring Brian Flores in here? Because then if

1435
01:07:01,818 --> 01:07:03,978
Speaker 2: it's still not going well, everybody's just gonna want him

1436
01:07:03,978 --> 01:07:05,818
Speaker 2: to be the head coach of the team, right, Josh

1437
01:07:05,898 --> 01:07:08,778
Speaker 2: McDaniels on offense, same thing. It's just gonna be you know,

1438
01:07:08,858 --> 01:07:09,338
Speaker 2: I don't.

1439
01:07:09,138 --> 01:07:10,858
Speaker 3: Know if people a gonna be claaring for Josh McDaniel's

1440
01:07:10,898 --> 01:07:11,298
Speaker 3: head coach.

1441
01:07:11,618 --> 01:07:13,338
Speaker 2: I think if it goes bad again, I think they're

1442
01:07:13,338 --> 01:07:17,338
Speaker 2: gonna be clearing for anybody else. All Right, Reggie is

1443
01:07:17,418 --> 01:07:18,178
Speaker 2: in Peabody.

1444
01:07:18,778 --> 01:07:22,978
Speaker 6: What's up, Reggie, Hey, guys, big fan of the show.

1445
01:07:23,658 --> 01:07:26,898
Speaker 6: Got a quick one for you, guys, is speaking of

1446
01:07:26,938 --> 01:07:30,738
Speaker 6: an alternate universe seven If Jamar Chase and Pense Pool

1447
01:07:30,818 --> 01:07:32,698
Speaker 6: we're both in this draft, So are you guys taken?

1448
01:07:33,298 --> 01:07:36,058
Speaker 2: It's a good question. That's a good question, Reggie. It's

1449
01:07:36,058 --> 01:07:38,178
Speaker 2: a good way to segue us as I keep trying

1450
01:07:38,178 --> 01:07:41,018
Speaker 2: to get us to the draft. I would take Penne

1451
01:07:41,138 --> 01:07:43,898
Speaker 2: Sewel as well. But this is the meme, right and

1452
01:07:43,978 --> 01:07:47,338
Speaker 2: this is like part partially the conversation we're gonna have

1453
01:07:47,858 --> 01:07:50,818
Speaker 2: this offseason, is the wide receiver or the tackle like

1454
01:07:50,938 --> 01:07:54,138
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of similar. I wouldn't put any of

1455
01:07:54,258 --> 01:07:58,058
Speaker 2: these players in the Penne Sewel Jamar Chase level. I

1456
01:07:58,138 --> 01:08:01,298
Speaker 2: think that one worked out. I mean, the Bengals sort

1457
01:08:01,338 --> 01:08:02,898
Speaker 2: of worked out on to a Super Bowl. I suppose

1458
01:08:02,938 --> 01:08:03,378
Speaker 2: it worked out.

1459
01:08:03,658 --> 01:08:04,938
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow still getting hurt every here.

1460
01:08:05,458 --> 01:08:07,778
Speaker 2: That one sort of worked out for both sides because

1461
01:08:07,818 --> 01:08:10,858
Speaker 2: they were both elite players, right, Like, you really didn't

1462
01:08:10,898 --> 01:08:14,538
Speaker 2: have a wrong answer between those two guys. My biggest

1463
01:08:14,578 --> 01:08:17,817
Speaker 2: takeaway as we get into it here with my initial

1464
01:08:17,898 --> 01:08:23,418
Speaker 2: draft thoughts, big Day, my big picture thought after watching

1465
01:08:23,458 --> 01:08:27,737
Speaker 2: the top of this draft class, and that is Travis

1466
01:08:27,858 --> 01:08:35,058
Speaker 2: Hunter both ways, Campbell, Kelvin Banks, Ted McMillan, Abdull Carter

1467
01:08:35,858 --> 01:08:37,657
Speaker 2: Uh and I threw in a couple games of those

1468
01:08:37,738 --> 01:08:39,777
Speaker 2: Georgia guys too and watched them both at the same time.

1469
01:08:39,858 --> 01:08:43,577
Speaker 2: Michael Williams, Will Johnson, and I've already seen Will Johnson

1470
01:08:43,617 --> 01:08:47,817
Speaker 2: and Mason Graham a little bit from Michigan's. I've already

1471
01:08:47,857 --> 01:08:49,977
Speaker 2: got a pretty decent feel for those two guys what

1472
01:08:50,098 --> 01:08:52,177
Speaker 2: they bring to the table. So I've got a pretty

1473
01:08:52,378 --> 01:08:54,098
Speaker 2: to the Georgia guys. I'm impressed. Yeah, I got to

1474
01:08:54,138 --> 01:08:55,897
Speaker 2: the Georgia guys just a couple of games. I didn't

1475
01:08:55,897 --> 01:08:57,697
Speaker 2: do it. I didn't do all my notes on those

1476
01:08:57,737 --> 01:08:59,657
Speaker 2: guys yet, but I just wanted to see him move

1477
01:08:59,777 --> 01:09:03,977
Speaker 2: and see how they play. Uh. My biggest takeaway from

1478
01:09:04,138 --> 01:09:08,817
Speaker 2: watching all these guys was I feel really strongly about

1479
01:09:09,458 --> 01:09:12,817
Speaker 2: the Patriots cannot draft based off of need in this

1480
01:09:13,018 --> 01:09:18,378
Speaker 2: class because I don't feel like I am pounding the

1481
01:09:18,458 --> 01:09:21,218
Speaker 2: table for guys at positions that I know the whole

1482
01:09:21,258 --> 01:09:25,338
Speaker 2: world wants them to draft, mainly wide receiver. But all

1483
01:09:25,458 --> 01:09:28,617
Speaker 2: these guys, as we go through this process, all of

1484
01:09:28,737 --> 01:09:31,777
Speaker 2: them have some wartz. I don't love the top of

1485
01:09:31,817 --> 01:09:34,537
Speaker 2: this draft class. On offense. I don't think that there's

1486
01:09:34,617 --> 01:09:37,777
Speaker 2: a great class on that side of the football. You

1487
01:09:37,937 --> 01:09:42,057
Speaker 2: have guys that are tackles that might be guards, both

1488
01:09:42,098 --> 01:09:46,817
Speaker 2: of them frankly for different reasons, but both of them.

1489
01:09:47,537 --> 01:09:51,537
Speaker 2: And you have a player in Ted McMillan who I

1490
01:09:51,857 --> 01:09:55,697
Speaker 2: just don't see as being on the same level as

1491
01:09:55,857 --> 01:10:00,617
Speaker 2: like a surefire top ten pick, like a Marvin Harrison junior,

1492
01:10:00,817 --> 01:10:04,218
Speaker 2: a Molak neighbors. Maybe he's a little bit more in

1493
01:10:04,258 --> 01:10:07,177
Speaker 2: the same category for me, as like a Roma Dunze

1494
01:10:07,378 --> 01:10:10,258
Speaker 2: or a Brian Thomas junior was last year. But I

1495
01:10:10,298 --> 01:10:14,497
Speaker 2: would probably have Ted McMillan as wide receiver four at

1496
01:10:14,617 --> 01:10:18,378
Speaker 2: best in the class last year. And to me, that matters.

1497
01:10:18,458 --> 01:10:22,737
Speaker 2: When you're picking this high. You cannot draft a player

1498
01:10:23,298 --> 01:10:26,977
Speaker 2: fourth overall where they stand right now, that is really

1499
01:10:27,058 --> 01:10:29,777
Speaker 2: the fifteenth best player in the draft. You just can't

1500
01:10:29,857 --> 01:10:32,857
Speaker 2: do it. That's how bad teams stay bad is they

1501
01:10:32,978 --> 01:10:36,577
Speaker 2: reach on positions of need. They reach on positions that

1502
01:10:36,657 --> 01:10:39,378
Speaker 2: are sexier than other positions just to sell fans and

1503
01:10:39,458 --> 01:10:43,138
Speaker 2: to sell their regime on people. That is how bad

1504
01:10:43,218 --> 01:10:47,298
Speaker 2: teams stay bad. And I'll give you one example. It's

1505
01:10:47,338 --> 01:10:49,657
Speaker 2: not a perfect example because there was another receiver that

1506
01:10:49,737 --> 01:10:52,617
Speaker 2: went a couple of picks after that wouldn't would have

1507
01:10:52,697 --> 01:10:55,697
Speaker 2: made all this go away. When I watched Ted McMillan,

1508
01:10:56,857 --> 01:10:58,777
Speaker 2: the player that I see with him is Drake London

1509
01:10:58,937 --> 01:11:02,537
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. Drake London got drafted eighth overall by the

1510
01:11:02,577 --> 01:11:06,018
Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons three years ago in twenty twenty two. I

1511
01:11:06,138 --> 01:11:09,577
Speaker 2: want to say it was that was not a good pick.

1512
01:11:11,058 --> 01:11:14,217
Speaker 2: I understand that Drake London's an NFL player. I understand

1513
01:11:14,218 --> 01:11:16,777
Speaker 2: that Drake Lonnon is a solid NFL player. He was

1514
01:11:16,897 --> 01:11:19,458
Speaker 2: not worthy of the eighth overall pick in the draft.

1515
01:11:19,497 --> 01:11:21,418
Speaker 2: He's yet to have in a thousand yard season in

1516
01:11:21,458 --> 01:11:25,737
Speaker 2: the NFL. I worry that in this draft, if you

1517
01:11:25,897 --> 01:11:29,378
Speaker 2: reach based off of need, that you're gonna get an okay,

1518
01:11:29,577 --> 01:11:32,138
Speaker 2: but not great. And the Patriots right now need to

1519
01:11:32,258 --> 01:11:34,857
Speaker 2: use their top pick on a great player. They can't

1520
01:11:34,857 --> 01:11:38,857
Speaker 2: afford okay with the fourth overall pick. It's got to

1521
01:11:38,857 --> 01:11:41,857
Speaker 2: be a stud. And whether that stud plays offense, if

1522
01:11:41,897 --> 01:11:45,137
Speaker 2: plays defense, he's a corner, he's an edge rusher, wherever

1523
01:11:45,258 --> 01:11:48,777
Speaker 2: he might play on the field. I'm in the school

1524
01:11:48,817 --> 01:11:50,697
Speaker 2: of thought that they just need talent, man, Like, I

1525
01:11:50,737 --> 01:11:53,217
Speaker 2: don't think it matters. I really don't think it matters.

1526
01:11:53,298 --> 01:11:56,857
Speaker 2: You have the thirty second ranked defense, you have the

1527
01:11:56,937 --> 01:12:00,298
Speaker 2: thirty first ranked offense in DVOA Like. You need help

1528
01:12:00,378 --> 01:12:02,537
Speaker 2: on both sides of the football. So if it's an

1529
01:12:02,657 --> 01:12:06,058
Speaker 2: edge rusher this year, even though wide receiver might be

1530
01:12:06,497 --> 01:12:08,857
Speaker 2: a bigger need to some people, I think this is

1531
01:12:08,897 --> 01:12:10,817
Speaker 2: the year that you have to go where the talent is.

1532
01:12:11,458 --> 01:12:13,697
Speaker 2: So I don't necessarily disagree with that.

1533
01:12:13,817 --> 01:12:16,617
Speaker 3: I just hate the idea of like not supporting Drake

1534
01:12:16,737 --> 01:12:18,017
Speaker 3: May with this premium ass set.

1535
01:12:18,817 --> 01:12:21,137
Speaker 2: And I'm leaning more toward because.

1536
01:12:21,018 --> 01:12:22,577
Speaker 3: Like you said, they need help on offense, they need

1537
01:12:22,617 --> 01:12:26,458
Speaker 3: help on defense, they need help everywhere. Yeah, I'm opening

1538
01:12:26,777 --> 01:12:28,777
Speaker 3: up more and more to the idea, and the quarterbacks

1539
01:12:28,777 --> 01:12:30,977
Speaker 3: aren't helping them. But I'm opening up more and more

1540
01:12:30,978 --> 01:12:34,577
Speaker 3: to the idea of like trade down, like wherever they

1541
01:12:34,657 --> 01:12:38,697
Speaker 3: are that picks probably not going to be worth the

1542
01:12:38,978 --> 01:12:40,737
Speaker 3: player you're getting with that pick is not going to

1543
01:12:40,777 --> 01:12:42,817
Speaker 3: be worth the haull you can get in return. And

1544
01:12:43,458 --> 01:12:47,017
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys we've talked about, the guys

1545
01:12:47,098 --> 01:12:49,617
Speaker 3: that you know you might take there just off of

1546
01:12:50,178 --> 01:12:53,657
Speaker 3: best player available. There's other really good players at those

1547
01:12:53,697 --> 01:12:58,657
Speaker 3: positions not that far behind. This draft is very There

1548
01:12:58,657 --> 01:13:00,977
Speaker 3: aren't a lot of good positions. The positions that are

1549
01:13:01,018 --> 01:13:03,098
Speaker 3: good are very good, but there's not a lot of

1550
01:13:03,138 --> 01:13:07,017
Speaker 3: good positions. So like, for instance, the one I've been

1551
01:13:07,058 --> 01:13:09,537
Speaker 3: big on with this is Mason Graham. Mason Graham's a

1552
01:13:09,617 --> 01:13:13,338
Speaker 3: really good player. This is a pretty good defensive tackle class.

1553
01:13:14,098 --> 01:13:16,497
Speaker 3: And if you're telling me I can have Mason Graham,

1554
01:13:17,258 --> 01:13:19,218
Speaker 3: or I can have two first round picks next year

1555
01:13:19,218 --> 01:13:21,617
Speaker 3: in a much better class, and maybe another top fifty

1556
01:13:21,657 --> 01:13:25,057
Speaker 3: pick this year and a guy like Dean Walker from Kentucky.

1557
01:13:25,737 --> 01:13:27,817
Speaker 3: That's a no brainer to me. I'm taking the Hall,

1558
01:13:28,418 --> 01:13:32,298
Speaker 3: So I think that that it becomes I haven't been

1559
01:13:32,378 --> 01:13:33,857
Speaker 3: We'll see where Will Campbell's arms are at.

1560
01:13:33,897 --> 01:13:35,017
Speaker 2: If he's over thirty three.

1561
01:13:34,897 --> 01:13:37,857
Speaker 3: Inches, stretch those freaking If he's over thirty three inches,

1562
01:13:37,857 --> 01:13:39,418
Speaker 3: I'm pounding the table for Wial Campbell. I think to

1563
01:13:39,497 --> 01:13:41,897
Speaker 3: take Will Campbell, and because at that point, everybody knows

1564
01:13:41,937 --> 01:13:43,537
Speaker 3: his arms that long, and he's gonna be that high

1565
01:13:43,577 --> 01:13:45,258
Speaker 3: of a pick, right, And I don't think there's many

1566
01:13:45,298 --> 01:13:47,458
Speaker 3: other issues with him beyond the armline. The penalty is

1567
01:13:47,577 --> 01:13:50,458
Speaker 3: the one thing that make me nervous. But like Ted McMillan,

1568
01:13:51,657 --> 01:13:53,817
Speaker 3: I'm almost better off with the Hall. So I'm at

1569
01:13:53,857 --> 01:13:55,577
Speaker 3: the point where, yeah, there's some very good players top

1570
01:13:55,617 --> 01:13:57,218
Speaker 3: of the board, and you're not moving down that far.

1571
01:13:57,298 --> 01:13:59,098
Speaker 3: I'm not saying move down there at four as we

1572
01:13:59,178 --> 01:14:01,617
Speaker 3: sit here today, I think right four or five. I'm

1573
01:14:01,657 --> 01:14:03,657
Speaker 3: not saying move down from four to twenty, right, But

1574
01:14:03,737 --> 01:14:05,937
Speaker 3: if you move down to like four or eight to

1575
01:14:06,058 --> 01:14:09,737
Speaker 3: eight or nine, and you add a future first Abdull

1576
01:14:09,817 --> 01:14:12,537
Speaker 3: Carter still might be in play at that point, so

1577
01:14:12,697 --> 01:14:15,258
Speaker 3: the burden James Pearce might still be in play. Mason

1578
01:14:15,298 --> 01:14:17,177
Speaker 3: Graham might still be in play at that point because

1579
01:14:17,178 --> 01:14:18,378
Speaker 3: he doesn't play premium position.

1580
01:14:18,577 --> 01:14:20,857
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is a trade down draft.

1581
01:14:21,058 --> 01:14:21,258
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1582
01:14:21,298 --> 01:14:24,058
Speaker 2: So the issue though, is that everybody knows it's a

1583
01:14:24,098 --> 01:14:27,537
Speaker 2: trade down draft. So you're really gonna have to get

1584
01:14:27,577 --> 01:14:30,058
Speaker 2: a team that falls in love with one of these quarterbacks.

1585
01:14:30,098 --> 01:14:32,097
Speaker 2: And I do think there's a chance that Shador, Sanders

1586
01:14:32,178 --> 01:14:34,418
Speaker 2: and cam Ward are one of those guys. I do

1587
01:14:35,018 --> 01:14:37,338
Speaker 2: you know, I was watching Travis Hunter yesterday. I tweeted

1588
01:14:37,378 --> 01:14:39,058
Speaker 2: it out like I was really impressed with what I

1589
01:14:39,098 --> 01:14:42,017
Speaker 2: saw from Shador and the tape that I was watching

1590
01:14:42,058 --> 01:14:46,697
Speaker 2: of Colorado's offense, Like he's got the traits that teams

1591
01:14:46,737 --> 01:14:48,857
Speaker 2: look for now that we talked a lot about with Drake,

1592
01:14:49,018 --> 01:14:54,537
Speaker 2: like arm talent, pocket poison, mobility, off script ability, just

1593
01:14:54,737 --> 01:14:58,737
Speaker 2: general playmaking style that teams covet right now in the league.

1594
01:14:58,817 --> 01:15:02,218
Speaker 2: And his processing is a little bit raw. He I

1595
01:15:02,258 --> 01:15:04,617
Speaker 2: think the arm talent is probably B plus and not

1596
01:15:04,817 --> 01:15:07,897
Speaker 2: a but like all the things are there for him

1597
01:15:07,937 --> 01:15:09,017
Speaker 2: to be a really pro.

1598
01:15:09,338 --> 01:15:10,937
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you this is where I said earlier,

1599
01:15:10,937 --> 01:15:12,817
Speaker 3: I had a college football playoff take I wanted to give.

1600
01:15:12,857 --> 01:15:14,937
Speaker 3: This is where this comes into play, and I'll have

1601
01:15:15,058 --> 01:15:17,458
Speaker 3: something up. Oh no, I wrote this today on ninety

1602
01:15:17,458 --> 01:15:20,617
Speaker 3: eight five Sports of dot Com. So those are the

1603
01:15:20,617 --> 01:15:22,817
Speaker 3: two quarterbacks right now. Should Sanders cam Ward. I don't

1604
01:15:22,817 --> 01:15:24,937
Speaker 3: know how much Camward you've watched. You're gonna need to

1605
01:15:24,937 --> 01:15:27,258
Speaker 3: watch them because you're gonna need to watch Xavier Restreppo. Yeah,

1606
01:15:27,258 --> 01:15:29,937
Speaker 3: he's absolutely gonna be Patriots target. Big fan of is

1607
01:15:30,458 --> 01:15:32,258
Speaker 3: wide receiver from Miami. But those are the two guys

1608
01:15:32,378 --> 01:15:36,017
Speaker 3: right now. I'm not saying these other quarterbacks have had

1609
01:15:36,058 --> 01:15:38,497
Speaker 3: great years because frankly, they haven't. Jalen Milroe has not

1610
01:15:38,577 --> 01:15:40,697
Speaker 3: had a good year. Quinn Ewers has been fined, but

1611
01:15:40,737 --> 01:15:44,418
Speaker 3: he's been hurt. Carson Beck, I mean, geez, talk about

1612
01:15:44,418 --> 01:15:47,458
Speaker 3: a falloff. But there is this new element to the

1613
01:15:47,577 --> 01:15:50,817
Speaker 3: draft this year that is the college football Playoff Because

1614
01:15:51,298 --> 01:15:54,937
Speaker 3: there are now chances and this applies beyond quarterback, but

1615
01:15:55,058 --> 01:15:58,018
Speaker 3: just using it at quarterback, there are now chances for

1616
01:15:58,138 --> 01:16:02,537
Speaker 3: players to impact their stocks significantly because when we do this,

1617
01:16:02,697 --> 01:16:04,657
Speaker 3: we talk about the games that you have to watch.

1618
01:16:04,897 --> 01:16:07,577
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter vers Tech McMillan, we talked about that as

1619
01:16:07,617 --> 01:16:10,617
Speaker 3: a matchup, and you're gonna watch that game differently than

1620
01:16:10,657 --> 01:16:13,178
Speaker 3: you watch Tech McMillan versus New Mexico, even though we

1621
01:16:13,218 --> 01:16:16,178
Speaker 3: put up three hundred four yards three hundred four yards

1622
01:16:16,218 --> 01:16:17,977
Speaker 3: four touchdowns. Yeah, but you're gonna watch right, So you're

1623
01:16:17,978 --> 01:16:19,937
Speaker 3: gonna watch that game differently. Now, all of a sudden,

1624
01:16:20,018 --> 01:16:23,017
Speaker 3: we're gonna have elite players against elite players, two three,

1625
01:16:23,218 --> 01:16:26,258
Speaker 3: four more games than we'd usually have. And I go

1626
01:16:26,338 --> 01:16:29,338
Speaker 3: back to Michael Pennox last year. Where do you think

1627
01:16:29,378 --> 01:16:31,258
Speaker 3: Michael Pennix gets draft? And I know he had the

1628
01:16:31,258 --> 01:16:34,017
Speaker 3: fall off against Michigan. Where does Michael Pennix get drafted?

1629
01:16:34,058 --> 01:16:35,577
Speaker 3: If you take out the game against Texas.

1630
01:16:36,058 --> 01:16:38,098
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about this a little bit yesterday. You

1631
01:16:38,138 --> 01:16:41,017
Speaker 2: know that's I think a big thing with college football

1632
01:16:41,018 --> 01:16:41,737
Speaker 2: playoff in general.

1633
01:16:41,937 --> 01:16:46,017
Speaker 3: Right, So, so you have Jalen Milroe, quinn Ewers.

1634
01:16:46,817 --> 01:16:47,218
Speaker 2: I'm on it.

1635
01:16:47,298 --> 01:16:49,937
Speaker 3: Can I write off Carson Beck as I make this take.

1636
01:16:50,458 --> 01:16:53,537
Speaker 2: Car I kind of write off quinn Ewers too. I

1637
01:16:53,577 --> 01:16:55,298
Speaker 2: think Quins fine.

1638
01:16:55,497 --> 01:16:59,178
Speaker 3: Jalen Milroe absolutely if he goes out and lights up

1639
01:16:59,218 --> 01:17:01,777
Speaker 3: because Alabama, for whatever reason, is going to make the playoff. Yeah,

1640
01:17:01,777 --> 01:17:04,017
Speaker 3: if he goes out and lights up Oregon, I know why.

1641
01:17:04,098 --> 01:17:05,937
Speaker 2: But yeah, if he goes out, he lights it up

1642
01:17:05,978 --> 01:17:08,737
Speaker 2: out there, right, Dylan Gabriel, does he have a little

1643
01:17:08,817 --> 01:17:10,217
Speaker 2: bow nick'sish sort.

1644
01:17:10,018 --> 01:17:13,218
Speaker 3: Of rise during the playoff? And Will Howard all right off?

1645
01:17:13,258 --> 01:17:15,937
Speaker 3: The one other name I'll give you, and this nobody

1646
01:17:16,018 --> 01:17:18,298
Speaker 3: has talked about him at all. I heard last year

1647
01:17:18,657 --> 01:17:21,817
Speaker 3: when people wanted the Patriots, Oh you can pass on Drake,

1648
01:17:21,897 --> 01:17:23,977
Speaker 3: May you pass on the quarterback? You gotta get you all.

1649
01:17:23,978 --> 01:17:26,338
Speaker 3: You gotta get Marvin Harrison. There were two names that

1650
01:17:26,537 --> 01:17:31,737
Speaker 3: came up a ton besides Shedder during that time. One

1651
01:17:32,218 --> 01:17:35,497
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart No, oh my god, no Jackson. One was

1652
01:17:35,537 --> 01:17:38,617
Speaker 3: Carson Beck He's obviously fallen off. The other one was

1653
01:17:38,697 --> 01:17:41,977
Speaker 3: Curtis Rourke from Indiana. Everybody was all hot and bothered

1654
01:17:42,018 --> 01:17:44,178
Speaker 3: about Curtis work last year, and I never really got

1655
01:17:44,218 --> 01:17:47,058
Speaker 3: a straight answer as to why Curtis Rourke had a

1656
01:17:47,697 --> 01:17:50,977
Speaker 3: very under the radar solid season in Indiana. Obviously they're

1657
01:17:51,018 --> 01:17:54,657
Speaker 3: going to the playoff, But but now nobody's everybody want

1658
01:17:54,657 --> 01:17:56,617
Speaker 3: to talk about him. Last year, nobody's talking about him.

1659
01:17:56,937 --> 01:17:59,897
Speaker 3: If Curtis Rourke goes out and leads Indiana to a

1660
01:17:59,937 --> 01:18:03,177
Speaker 3: playoff winner, two, he's gonna start getting first round buzz.

1661
01:18:03,617 --> 01:18:05,897
Speaker 2: So the college football playoff.

1662
01:18:05,937 --> 01:18:07,338
Speaker 3: Remember I said this at the beginning of the year,

1663
01:18:07,857 --> 01:18:09,897
Speaker 3: the Patriots aren't taking a quarterback, but we're not done

1664
01:18:09,937 --> 01:18:10,698
Speaker 3: doing quarterbacks.

1665
01:18:11,777 --> 01:18:14,458
Speaker 2: Gonna be done, No, we're not because time to watch

1666
01:18:14,497 --> 01:18:16,818
Speaker 2: all these guys. You just have to watch him the playoff.

1667
01:18:16,897 --> 01:18:21,897
Speaker 3: Just because to Jalen Milroe or Dylan Gabriel or Curtis Rourke.

1668
01:18:22,018 --> 01:18:25,737
Speaker 3: You want to throw in Will Howard, Carson Beck, Quinn Eewers.

1669
01:18:25,937 --> 01:18:27,977
Speaker 3: Does one of these guys have a rise where maybe

1670
01:18:28,058 --> 01:18:31,097
Speaker 3: a team goes yeah, take him the top five a quarterback.

1671
01:18:31,098 --> 01:18:32,057
Speaker 3: I take him in the top five.

1672
01:18:32,218 --> 01:18:35,418
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just really feel I'd be pretty surprised if

1673
01:18:35,497 --> 01:18:39,258
Speaker 2: Shador isn't already there as a as a top ten guy, and.

1674
01:18:39,298 --> 01:18:41,098
Speaker 3: Cam Ward, I think, are there. It's do one of

1675
01:18:41,138 --> 01:18:43,098
Speaker 3: these other guys in college football players join them?

1676
01:18:43,138 --> 01:18:44,897
Speaker 2: So you could have that You could have that trade

1677
01:18:44,937 --> 01:18:47,937
Speaker 2: down scenario come into play with with those two guys

1678
01:18:47,978 --> 01:18:50,098
Speaker 2: I think already. I mean Dan Bruger put out his

1679
01:18:50,378 --> 01:18:52,218
Speaker 2: first mock draft and had both those guys in the

1680
01:18:52,258 --> 01:18:54,897
Speaker 2: top five. So I definitely feel like I could see

1681
01:18:54,937 --> 01:18:57,857
Speaker 2: that happening. But the problem is, you know, like Dane mentioned,

1682
01:18:57,857 --> 01:19:01,258
Speaker 2: I believe in the piece, the Jaguars took Travis Hunter

1683
01:19:01,378 --> 01:19:04,138
Speaker 2: number one overall, and then he had two quarterbacks at

1684
01:19:04,138 --> 01:19:06,378
Speaker 2: two and three, and he just said, look, it's not

1685
01:19:06,617 --> 01:19:08,737
Speaker 2: a trade up for a quarterback. That these guys are

1686
01:19:08,817 --> 01:19:11,098
Speaker 2: so good that we're giving up hauls to trade up.

1687
01:19:11,178 --> 01:19:14,817
Speaker 2: So the Jaguars still got stuck picking a non quarterback

1688
01:19:14,897 --> 01:19:15,258
Speaker 2: number one.

1689
01:19:15,298 --> 01:19:18,218
Speaker 3: The quarterbacks are are going to be dictated by like,

1690
01:19:18,338 --> 01:19:20,218
Speaker 3: that's dictated by where the teams are, and Dane didn't

1691
01:19:20,258 --> 01:19:21,817
Speaker 3: do trades, right, But who do you have two and

1692
01:19:21,857 --> 01:19:22,817
Speaker 3: three Raiders and Giants?

1693
01:19:22,978 --> 01:19:23,258
Speaker 4: I think so?

1694
01:19:23,378 --> 01:19:26,097
Speaker 2: Yeah, the order is now so well, those are those.

1695
01:19:25,978 --> 01:19:29,298
Speaker 3: Are quarterback teams. What happens if the Panthers end up there?

1696
01:19:29,338 --> 01:19:32,737
Speaker 3: What happens if the Patriots there? Like that changes Shouldar

1697
01:19:32,978 --> 01:19:35,897
Speaker 3: Sanders and cam Ward are gonna go high. But you know,

1698
01:19:36,298 --> 01:19:38,018
Speaker 3: it's not a trade up scenario of teams two and

1699
01:19:38,058 --> 01:19:40,218
Speaker 3: three are quarterback teams. If suddenly one of those teams

1700
01:19:40,298 --> 01:19:42,617
Speaker 3: isn't a quarterback team, that changes everything, all right.

1701
01:19:42,737 --> 01:19:44,777
Speaker 2: So here's what I did down that we've got the

1702
01:19:44,817 --> 01:19:46,378
Speaker 2: big picture out of the way, which I want to

1703
01:19:46,418 --> 01:19:50,177
Speaker 2: reiterate my stance on this. Do not pick a player

1704
01:19:50,978 --> 01:19:52,657
Speaker 2: in the top five who's not worthy of a top

1705
01:19:52,697 --> 01:19:54,378
Speaker 2: five pick. That's the worst thing that you can do,

1706
01:19:54,617 --> 01:19:57,777
Speaker 2: right like that, that's just you are open to trading down, Yeah, exactly,

1707
01:19:57,857 --> 01:19:59,777
Speaker 2: like if you want to trade down. And that's exactly

1708
01:19:59,817 --> 01:20:01,937
Speaker 2: how I set this up, right, is I have two

1709
01:20:02,018 --> 01:20:04,057
Speaker 2: guys that I watch that I feel like are worth

1710
01:20:04,098 --> 01:20:06,657
Speaker 2: the top five pick in this draft is going to be.

1711
01:20:06,737 --> 01:20:08,058
Speaker 2: And then I have a bunch of you know, a

1712
01:20:08,098 --> 01:20:10,017
Speaker 2: handful of guys that if they were to trade down,

1713
01:20:10,058 --> 01:20:12,657
Speaker 2: I'd be cool with taking nine. Yeah, exactly, taking in

1714
01:20:12,737 --> 01:20:13,418
Speaker 2: that next wave.

1715
01:20:13,617 --> 01:20:15,378
Speaker 3: I wouldn't trade out of top ten because somebody, oh,

1716
01:20:15,418 --> 01:20:16,937
Speaker 3: you want to trade down, you don't want me at town.

1717
01:20:17,018 --> 01:20:19,018
Speaker 2: No. I wouldn't trade past top ten. No, neither would I.

1718
01:20:19,577 --> 01:20:22,298
Speaker 2: So my two guys that are I haven't let's call

1719
01:20:22,338 --> 01:20:25,418
Speaker 2: it s t here right at that top of this draft. Uh,

1720
01:20:25,857 --> 01:20:28,617
Speaker 2: the best player in the draft, bar none. I think

1721
01:20:28,657 --> 01:20:31,138
Speaker 2: it's not particularly close that Travis Hunter is the best

1722
01:20:31,138 --> 01:20:35,178
Speaker 2: player in the draft. He is I thought was outstanding

1723
01:20:35,218 --> 01:20:38,258
Speaker 2: on both sides of the football. I really did as

1724
01:20:38,298 --> 01:20:41,977
Speaker 2: a receiver, the twitch and the athleticism just jumps off

1725
01:20:42,018 --> 01:20:44,458
Speaker 2: the film at you what I was most impressed with

1726
01:20:44,537 --> 01:20:46,897
Speaker 2: him as a receiver, where his ball skills and his

1727
01:20:46,978 --> 01:20:47,378
Speaker 2: feel for.

1728
01:20:47,458 --> 01:20:49,337
Speaker 3: Zone coverage almost like he plays corner.

1729
01:20:49,298 --> 01:20:52,058
Speaker 2: Really advanced for what I thought I was getting in.

1730
01:20:52,458 --> 01:20:54,657
Speaker 2: I thought I was getting into a situation where they're

1731
01:20:54,697 --> 01:20:57,098
Speaker 2: just like, he's the best athlete on the field, so

1732
01:20:57,178 --> 01:20:59,977
Speaker 2: we're just gonna have him dabble at wide receiver. He

1733
01:21:00,497 --> 01:21:03,098
Speaker 2: is starting to kind of learn wide receiver right, Like

1734
01:21:03,178 --> 01:21:05,697
Speaker 2: you can see he has a great feel going over

1735
01:21:05,777 --> 01:21:07,577
Speaker 2: the middle of the field and he's not afraid to

1736
01:21:07,657 --> 01:21:09,817
Speaker 2: go over the middle of the field. He's got great

1737
01:21:09,897 --> 01:21:12,178
Speaker 2: hands and ball skills at the catch point. He's made

1738
01:21:12,218 --> 01:21:15,178
Speaker 2: some really tough catches at the catch point. And he's

1739
01:21:15,218 --> 01:21:17,338
Speaker 2: got a real inate ability. I know he's played with

1740
01:21:17,458 --> 01:21:19,897
Speaker 2: him forever, Yeah, but he's got a real inateability of

1741
01:21:19,978 --> 01:21:22,057
Speaker 2: working off script with Shador And like, if you get

1742
01:21:22,138 --> 01:21:24,737
Speaker 2: that with Drake May then that's really good, right, Like

1743
01:21:24,817 --> 01:21:27,537
Speaker 2: that you can have that sort of connection there. The

1744
01:21:27,657 --> 01:21:29,737
Speaker 2: one thing that I had against him at wide receiver

1745
01:21:29,897 --> 01:21:32,737
Speaker 2: that I just didn't feel that he was like a

1746
01:21:32,897 --> 01:21:37,577
Speaker 2: prototypical boundary x receiver, right, Yeah, Like I don't see

1747
01:21:37,657 --> 01:21:40,418
Speaker 2: him that way a wide receiver, just because of the

1748
01:21:40,537 --> 01:21:43,617
Speaker 2: size and like some of the rawness with his releases

1749
01:21:43,697 --> 01:21:46,338
Speaker 2: and things like that. I don't necessarily look at him

1750
01:21:46,418 --> 01:21:49,818
Speaker 2: as like a true X, but I think he's outstanding.

1751
01:21:49,937 --> 01:21:53,138
Speaker 2: Where's he better? Well, I'll get to my corner. But

1752
01:21:53,817 --> 01:21:56,138
Speaker 2: I told you, I tell you when we were recording her,

1753
01:21:56,178 --> 01:21:58,017
Speaker 2: before we started. I think it is before we started.

1754
01:21:58,338 --> 01:22:00,057
Speaker 2: I told you how I did this. I did pros

1755
01:22:00,058 --> 01:22:02,617
Speaker 2: and I did cons and I did a bottom line. Yeah,

1756
01:22:02,777 --> 01:22:06,577
Speaker 2: so let me give you corner first. Okay. At corner,

1757
01:22:07,018 --> 01:22:08,897
Speaker 2: I feel like he has the opposite problem is what

1758
01:22:08,978 --> 01:22:12,017
Speaker 2: he has at receiver. At corner, he is an elite

1759
01:22:12,338 --> 01:22:15,697
Speaker 2: boundary corner, not a great slot corner, right, So you're

1760
01:22:15,697 --> 01:22:17,737
Speaker 2: gonna play him on the boundary. I think he can

1761
01:22:17,857 --> 01:22:19,577
Speaker 2: mirror and match with the best of them in Manta

1762
01:22:19,617 --> 01:22:23,378
Speaker 2: man coverage. His feet are exceptionally quick. He's very twitchy

1763
01:22:23,418 --> 01:22:26,017
Speaker 2: and smooth through his transitions. He can go out there

1764
01:22:26,298 --> 01:22:29,617
Speaker 2: and you can cover top receivers with that cornerback tape

1765
01:22:29,657 --> 01:22:32,218
Speaker 2: that he put in coloro. And he's a very good

1766
01:22:32,338 --> 01:22:35,458
Speaker 2: flat or like cloud cover two corner, and he'll read

1767
01:22:35,497 --> 01:22:39,018
Speaker 2: the quarterback size and he'll jump plays awesome ball hawk like,

1768
01:22:39,178 --> 01:22:42,298
Speaker 2: great ball instincts and the ability to you know, click

1769
01:22:42,338 --> 01:22:45,258
Speaker 2: and close and really close on the football in a hurry.

1770
01:22:45,897 --> 01:22:48,258
Speaker 2: That is it pops off the film, like when he

1771
01:22:48,817 --> 01:22:51,218
Speaker 2: has a ball come in his direction and he's got

1772
01:22:51,258 --> 01:22:53,458
Speaker 2: to close on something to make a play on the football.

1773
01:22:53,657 --> 01:22:58,097
Speaker 2: He is shot out of a canon, unbelievable trade for him.

1774
01:22:58,577 --> 01:23:01,138
Speaker 2: He to me, looks like a top five pick in

1775
01:23:01,178 --> 01:23:05,098
Speaker 2: an NFL draft should look like both positions. Really is

1776
01:23:05,138 --> 01:23:07,977
Speaker 2: how I felt. But at corner I thought he got

1777
01:23:08,018 --> 01:23:10,338
Speaker 2: a little bit loose in the slot and then was

1778
01:23:10,418 --> 01:23:12,977
Speaker 2: really good on the boundary and receiver. I thought he

1779
01:23:13,098 --> 01:23:15,298
Speaker 2: has some issues on the boundary, but is really good

1780
01:23:15,338 --> 01:23:17,937
Speaker 2: playing off the liner in the slot. So you gotta

1781
01:23:18,058 --> 01:23:20,817
Speaker 2: figure him out, and I know that's your big thing. Yeah,

1782
01:23:20,978 --> 01:23:23,298
Speaker 2: my bottom line with him, I have no notes. The

1783
01:23:23,338 --> 01:23:26,617
Speaker 2: guy's a stud. The question with him you got to

1784
01:23:26,657 --> 01:23:29,378
Speaker 2: figure him out, right, like where is he playing in

1785
01:23:29,537 --> 01:23:30,298
Speaker 2: all that kind of thing.

1786
01:23:30,458 --> 01:23:32,418
Speaker 3: This is my big take on Travis Hunter. I've heard

1787
01:23:32,418 --> 01:23:34,937
Speaker 3: a lot of people say, well, you just draft him

1788
01:23:34,978 --> 01:23:36,937
Speaker 3: and then you figure it out, which is really easy

1789
01:23:36,978 --> 01:23:39,937
Speaker 3: to say on the outside. You can't that can't be

1790
01:23:40,058 --> 01:23:43,657
Speaker 3: the answer. And what is my big draft take among

1791
01:23:43,737 --> 01:23:46,577
Speaker 3: all else, the one draft take I always go back on.

1792
01:23:47,218 --> 01:23:50,017
Speaker 3: It's nature verse nurture. Drafting the right players only half

1793
01:23:50,098 --> 01:23:52,537
Speaker 3: the battle. You have to properly develop him. There's been

1794
01:23:52,537 --> 01:23:54,817
Speaker 3: a lot of very talented players that have gone to

1795
01:23:54,937 --> 01:23:58,617
Speaker 3: bad situations with bad development plans and bottomed out. And

1796
01:23:58,978 --> 01:24:03,298
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter is the ultimate example of this. If he's there,

1797
01:24:03,378 --> 01:24:05,617
Speaker 3: you take him because he's that talented. Let me be clear,

1798
01:24:05,697 --> 01:24:07,777
Speaker 3: this is not me saying don't draft draft Travis Hunter.

1799
01:24:08,058 --> 01:24:09,977
Speaker 2: As much as you want that to be my fast

1800
01:24:10,098 --> 01:24:11,817
Speaker 2: You're going on the fence like I'm not going on

1801
01:24:11,897 --> 01:24:12,218
Speaker 2: the fence.

1802
01:24:12,857 --> 01:24:15,817
Speaker 3: You can't draft him and then say all right, we'll

1803
01:24:15,817 --> 01:24:17,378
Speaker 3: take him, then we'll feed You gotta have a plan.

1804
01:24:17,657 --> 01:24:17,857
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1805
01:24:18,018 --> 01:24:19,777
Speaker 3: Are you gonna try playing them both ways one hundred

1806
01:24:19,777 --> 01:24:22,097
Speaker 3: percent time? I don't think that's realistic. Are you gonna

1807
01:24:22,098 --> 01:24:23,418
Speaker 3: try playing them one hundred percent of the ways of

1808
01:24:23,418 --> 01:24:24,617
Speaker 3: all time? If not, where's he playing?

1809
01:24:24,817 --> 01:24:27,138
Speaker 2: Who makes that decision? Is it him? Is it you? Right?

1810
01:24:27,338 --> 01:24:29,058
Speaker 3: How is he gonna split up his practice time? What

1811
01:24:29,098 --> 01:24:30,777
Speaker 3: are you gonna do about himhysically? Because he does need

1812
01:24:30,817 --> 01:24:33,018
Speaker 3: to be bigger, that's that's the one knock that like,

1813
01:24:34,018 --> 01:24:36,298
Speaker 3: he has had a little bit of trouble with durability.

1814
01:24:36,338 --> 01:24:38,258
Speaker 3: Now he plays their injuries. He's a tough guy, but

1815
01:24:38,378 --> 01:24:41,937
Speaker 3: he gets hurt. And at the NFL, the players only

1816
01:24:41,978 --> 01:24:44,378
Speaker 3: getting bigger, the hits are only getting more physical, So

1817
01:24:45,378 --> 01:24:47,537
Speaker 3: he's not gonna hold up playing both ways. He's just not.

1818
01:24:47,817 --> 01:24:50,378
Speaker 3: So do you PLAYM at corner where I think he's

1819
01:24:50,378 --> 01:24:52,577
Speaker 3: a better corner. I think he's a very good receiver. Yeah,

1820
01:24:52,777 --> 01:24:54,617
Speaker 3: he's a better corner. Do you play M at corner

1821
01:24:54,657 --> 01:24:56,937
Speaker 3: where I think he's gonna be a dominant player for ten, twelve,

1822
01:24:57,018 --> 01:24:59,697
Speaker 3: fifteen years. Do you playhim at receiver where maybe he

1823
01:24:59,777 --> 01:25:01,737
Speaker 3: has more of an impact but now the injury thing,

1824
01:25:01,857 --> 01:25:04,577
Speaker 3: the durability comes more to play, and I just I

1825
01:25:04,657 --> 01:25:08,497
Speaker 3: don't think he's quite the like ninety nine overall corner

1826
01:25:09,458 --> 01:25:11,418
Speaker 3: ninety overall receivers kind of where I'm at with him.

1827
01:25:11,937 --> 01:25:13,057
Speaker 2: So I think that's fair.

1828
01:25:13,418 --> 01:25:15,497
Speaker 3: It comes down to how much do you trust the

1829
01:25:15,577 --> 01:25:18,017
Speaker 3: coaching staff to have the right plan. I think there

1830
01:25:18,098 --> 01:25:19,577
Speaker 3: might be more than one plan. If you want to

1831
01:25:19,577 --> 01:25:21,058
Speaker 3: tell me we're gonna draft him and play him at

1832
01:25:21,098 --> 01:25:25,057
Speaker 3: corner and then kind of Marcus Jones him on offense. Yeah, Okay,

1833
01:25:25,178 --> 01:25:26,817
Speaker 3: that's a good plan if you're gonna draft him and say,

1834
01:25:27,018 --> 01:25:28,697
Speaker 3: we know he's a better corner, but we want to

1835
01:25:28,737 --> 01:25:30,378
Speaker 3: do something for Drake May. We're gonna play him at

1836
01:25:30,378 --> 01:25:33,737
Speaker 3: res receiver and maybe against certain receivers and certain matchups

1837
01:25:33,737 --> 01:25:35,897
Speaker 3: will put him on defense, right, Like, oh, we have

1838
01:25:36,018 --> 01:25:38,537
Speaker 3: to you know we're facing this great receiver this week.

1839
01:25:38,617 --> 01:25:40,857
Speaker 3: We want to get him give him a chance. Okay, fine,

1840
01:25:40,937 --> 01:25:43,098
Speaker 3: Like that's a good plan too. If the planet's just

1841
01:25:43,338 --> 01:25:44,657
Speaker 3: we're gonna get to camp and throw him out on

1842
01:25:44,657 --> 01:25:45,697
Speaker 3: the field and see what it looks like.

1843
01:25:45,937 --> 01:25:48,817
Speaker 2: No, No, I am out on that. So no, my

1844
01:25:48,937 --> 01:25:52,577
Speaker 2: biggest thing with him. Uh And again, if they draft,

1845
01:25:53,058 --> 01:25:54,977
Speaker 2: if we get to April and it's and Travis Hunter

1846
01:25:55,098 --> 01:25:57,338
Speaker 2: is the pick, I'm ecstatic. I think I think is

1847
01:25:57,378 --> 01:26:00,857
Speaker 2: an absolutely terrific football player. So I'm on board. I

1848
01:26:01,018 --> 01:26:02,298
Speaker 2: think I agree with you.

1849
01:26:02,577 --> 01:26:04,777
Speaker 3: I also think he is going to be one of

1850
01:26:04,777 --> 01:26:07,857
Speaker 3: the hardest development projects we've seen in the NFL, especially

1851
01:26:07,897 --> 01:26:09,057
Speaker 3: outside the quarterback position.

1852
01:26:09,258 --> 01:26:12,817
Speaker 2: But I know in the reward is so but but

1853
01:26:12,857 --> 01:26:15,298
Speaker 2: there's not much work. There's not much football development that

1854
01:26:15,378 --> 01:26:18,657
Speaker 2: needs to be done. It's all about managing it, right,

1855
01:26:18,777 --> 01:26:21,138
Speaker 2: like where is he gonna put it goes along the

1856
01:26:21,178 --> 01:26:23,017
Speaker 2: same thing, Like I know, but there's not like he's

1857
01:26:23,058 --> 01:26:25,178
Speaker 2: not raw as a pro, but even just the day

1858
01:26:25,218 --> 01:26:27,657
Speaker 2: to day of it, like to be to be elite

1859
01:26:27,737 --> 01:26:29,497
Speaker 2: in college and to be elite and a pros are

1860
01:26:29,537 --> 01:26:31,737
Speaker 2: two different things. Yeah, you can go out and just

1861
01:26:31,857 --> 01:26:33,777
Speaker 2: line it up, and I mean there's some work that

1862
01:26:33,857 --> 01:26:36,217
Speaker 2: goes into it, obviously, but think about all the hours

1863
01:26:36,298 --> 01:26:38,258
Speaker 2: and hours and hours of film a guy like Steph

1864
01:26:38,298 --> 01:26:39,338
Speaker 2: Gilmour watched.

1865
01:26:39,138 --> 01:26:43,697
Speaker 3: Yeah, right to every nuance of his opponent's game every week. Yeah,

1866
01:26:43,857 --> 01:26:46,657
Speaker 3: Can you do that and also spend enough time in

1867
01:26:46,657 --> 01:26:48,418
Speaker 3: the offensive meeting room where you're still on the same

1868
01:26:48,458 --> 01:26:51,178
Speaker 3: page as your quarterback? Can you what happens when you

1869
01:26:51,258 --> 01:26:53,378
Speaker 3: do ones versus ones on one first ones in practice?

1870
01:26:53,378 --> 01:26:54,497
Speaker 2: So, like you need to.

1871
01:26:54,497 --> 01:26:58,617
Speaker 3: Figure that out because that is where you go. You

1872
01:26:58,737 --> 01:27:00,937
Speaker 3: go back and forth between getting a good player and

1873
01:27:01,018 --> 01:27:03,338
Speaker 3: getting a great player. That is gonna be the difference

1874
01:27:03,378 --> 01:27:05,857
Speaker 3: with Travis Hunter. It's gonna be how the coaching staff

1875
01:27:05,978 --> 01:27:08,418
Speaker 3: utilizes him and what they ask him to do. That's

1876
01:27:08,458 --> 01:27:10,138
Speaker 3: what the pick comes down to. I still take him.

1877
01:27:10,458 --> 01:27:13,258
Speaker 2: I still take a good plan. Here's what I would do, Yeah,

1878
01:27:13,458 --> 01:27:16,217
Speaker 2: so assuming that he doesn't do any of the college

1879
01:27:16,218 --> 01:27:17,977
Speaker 2: All Star games, and I think is a safe assumption.

1880
01:27:18,098 --> 01:27:20,418
Speaker 2: Now I'll go I think he's going to the shrine,

1881
01:27:20,458 --> 01:27:22,937
Speaker 2: but to like do interviews. I know shador Is, I didn't.

1882
01:27:22,937 --> 01:27:24,338
Speaker 2: I don't know if Travis oh I might be thinking

1883
01:27:24,338 --> 01:27:29,897
Speaker 2: of Yeah. Uh so let's just say first point of

1884
01:27:29,937 --> 01:27:33,218
Speaker 2: contact the combine. Yeah, all right, that's the biggest question

1885
01:27:33,258 --> 01:27:35,258
Speaker 2: in the room is what position do you want to play?

1886
01:27:35,817 --> 01:27:39,657
Speaker 2: And if the answer is both, then you have to

1887
01:27:39,697 --> 01:27:42,378
Speaker 2: be real with them, like you're what you just said, right,

1888
01:27:42,577 --> 01:27:45,497
Speaker 2: you can't. We don't feel as an organization. And I'm

1889
01:27:45,697 --> 01:27:49,737
Speaker 2: I'm speaking on behalf of the organization, right, I'm just

1890
01:27:49,937 --> 01:27:52,617
Speaker 2: is just my scenario. If I'm in the room, I'm

1891
01:27:52,657 --> 01:27:56,378
Speaker 2: gonna say to him, we don't really feel like it's

1892
01:27:56,897 --> 01:27:59,137
Speaker 2: feasible for you to play both ways. Well, I don't

1893
01:27:59,138 --> 01:28:00,338
Speaker 2: want to put words in your mouth. Do you feel

1894
01:28:00,378 --> 01:28:03,097
Speaker 2: that way? I don't feel that way. No, you think

1895
01:28:03,098 --> 01:28:04,737
Speaker 2: he can play both ways one hundred percent, not one

1896
01:28:04,817 --> 01:28:07,378
Speaker 2: hundred percent, but I think that yours. There's a path

1897
01:28:07,458 --> 01:28:09,338
Speaker 2: for him to play both ways in some capacity. But

1898
01:28:09,418 --> 01:28:12,097
Speaker 2: I say the difference to me between him and Marcus

1899
01:28:12,218 --> 01:28:15,897
Speaker 2: Jones is Marcus Jones is a great ball carrier. Travis

1900
01:28:16,018 --> 01:28:19,058
Speaker 2: Hunter is good after the catch, but he's not this

1901
01:28:19,298 --> 01:28:23,497
Speaker 2: like gadget player goes putting him on offense to play

1902
01:28:23,537 --> 01:28:24,418
Speaker 2: actual wide, but it.

1903
01:28:24,458 --> 01:28:27,418
Speaker 3: Goes back to putting in the time to have chemistry

1904
01:28:27,497 --> 01:28:28,338
Speaker 3: with the quarterback.

1905
01:28:28,577 --> 01:28:31,258
Speaker 2: Yeah A, that that's right. That that's my point too,

1906
01:28:31,897 --> 01:28:33,617
Speaker 2: is that like this isn't like we're gonna just throw

1907
01:28:33,657 --> 01:28:35,418
Speaker 2: him out there to throw a screen to him, right,

1908
01:28:35,497 --> 01:28:37,537
Speaker 2: Like this is like he's gonna run routes.

1909
01:28:37,617 --> 01:28:39,378
Speaker 3: But that's all the more reason that he needs to

1910
01:28:39,458 --> 01:28:40,697
Speaker 3: spend significant.

1911
01:28:40,258 --> 01:28:41,817
Speaker 2: Time with you. Yeah, yeah, I'm agreeing with so.

1912
01:28:41,937 --> 01:28:44,058
Speaker 3: But he can't do that and spend significant time with the.

1913
01:28:44,258 --> 01:28:46,497
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. So I look at it

1914
01:28:46,577 --> 01:28:50,298
Speaker 2: and I say to Travis Hunter, first of all, you

1915
01:28:50,497 --> 01:28:52,937
Speaker 2: need to as an organization, you need to pick a

1916
01:28:53,018 --> 01:28:55,178
Speaker 2: side with him, Like what side do you think he's

1917
01:28:55,218 --> 01:28:56,338
Speaker 2: the best player at?

1918
01:28:56,378 --> 01:28:58,977
Speaker 3: Where would you if you're having him focus on one

1919
01:28:58,978 --> 01:28:59,697
Speaker 3: where you're putting him.

1920
01:29:00,937 --> 01:29:03,057
Speaker 2: I think I agree with you that he's a better corner.

1921
01:29:03,657 --> 01:29:05,577
Speaker 2: I think it's more valuable for him to be a

1922
01:29:05,617 --> 01:29:08,737
Speaker 2: better receiver. So that's what makes it tough. I'd probably

1923
01:29:08,817 --> 01:29:11,017
Speaker 2: draft him as a receiver. Yeah, because if you draft

1924
01:29:11,058 --> 01:29:13,737
Speaker 2: him as a receiver and it hits the way I

1925
01:29:13,817 --> 01:29:17,057
Speaker 2: think it will, then you have a you have Jamar Chase,

1926
01:29:17,218 --> 01:29:19,298
Speaker 2: Like you have an elite wide but he's not that

1927
01:29:19,697 --> 01:29:22,697
Speaker 2: X outside. No, But I just mean like it, you

1928
01:29:22,777 --> 01:29:26,057
Speaker 2: have a top ten receiver. You have the coverage dictating receiver.

1929
01:29:26,218 --> 01:29:27,058
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have your Tuesday, And.

1930
01:29:27,657 --> 01:29:30,378
Speaker 2: I feel like that's more valuable than having another shutdown

1931
01:29:30,537 --> 01:29:34,218
Speaker 2: corner opposite. I'm with you. So I look at it

1932
01:29:34,338 --> 01:29:37,897
Speaker 2: and say I'd play him at receiver. The I was really,

1933
01:29:39,138 --> 01:29:41,937
Speaker 2: like I said, I was really surprised, and uh in

1934
01:29:42,018 --> 01:29:46,697
Speaker 2: a good way. How instinctual he is already at wide receiver.

1935
01:29:47,338 --> 01:29:49,977
Speaker 2: Uh that I was. Again, I just made a big

1936
01:29:50,098 --> 01:29:51,497
Speaker 2: leap from last year to this year. I thought he

1937
01:29:51,577 --> 01:29:53,098
Speaker 2: was just gonna be mossing guys because he was a

1938
01:29:53,098 --> 01:29:55,218
Speaker 2: great athlete. I didn't realize that he was going to

1939
01:29:55,458 --> 01:29:58,537
Speaker 2: be going out there and like understanding where to settle

1940
01:29:58,577 --> 01:30:01,777
Speaker 2: in zone, yeah, and all that kind of stuff. So

1941
01:30:01,937 --> 01:30:04,657
Speaker 2: I developed him at wide receiver. I'd send him down

1942
01:30:04,737 --> 01:30:06,657
Speaker 2: at these at these meet and greets, and I'd say,

1943
01:30:06,697 --> 01:30:08,857
Speaker 2: we see you as a wide receiver. If you come

1944
01:30:08,937 --> 01:30:11,737
Speaker 2: to us, you're playing wide receiver right point blank.

1945
01:30:11,577 --> 01:30:13,298
Speaker 3: And then you know what, I think there's room four,

1946
01:30:13,817 --> 01:30:16,338
Speaker 3: especially when you get later in the year. Hey, we

1947
01:30:16,577 --> 01:30:19,178
Speaker 3: have you know, all right, we're facing the Dolphins this week, right,

1948
01:30:19,258 --> 01:30:22,458
Speaker 3: they have Tua and or they have Hill and Waddle. Yeah,

1949
01:30:23,338 --> 01:30:25,138
Speaker 3: we're gonna put you out there like fifty percent of

1950
01:30:25,178 --> 01:30:26,378
Speaker 3: the time on defense this week.

1951
01:30:26,657 --> 01:30:27,218
Speaker 2: And then he has.

1952
01:30:28,857 --> 01:30:31,657
Speaker 3: Third down, right or third down and maybe maybe you

1953
01:30:31,857 --> 01:30:34,218
Speaker 3: you decrease this role offensively that week a little bit.

1954
01:30:34,338 --> 01:30:34,458
Speaker 2: Right.

1955
01:30:34,537 --> 01:30:35,937
Speaker 3: I think it's I would do it as a week

1956
01:30:35,978 --> 01:30:37,977
Speaker 3: to week thing, but I would have him like in camp,

1957
01:30:38,657 --> 01:30:39,378
Speaker 3: you're playing receiver.

1958
01:30:39,577 --> 01:30:41,697
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the last thing I want to say on

1959
01:30:41,737 --> 01:30:44,857
Speaker 2: Travishun and then we should move. Uh. The other thing

1960
01:30:44,897 --> 01:30:47,257
Speaker 2: that I would assume, and this is just an assumption,

1961
01:30:47,777 --> 01:30:49,458
Speaker 2: is that he's going to want to play wide receiver.

1962
01:30:49,617 --> 01:30:51,378
Speaker 2: I think so because the money is that wide receiver.

1963
01:30:51,817 --> 01:30:54,497
Speaker 2: So he's gonna know I can be a thirty million

1964
01:30:54,577 --> 01:30:57,097
Speaker 2: dollar wide receiver or I can be a fifteen million

1965
01:30:57,138 --> 01:31:00,377
Speaker 2: dollar corner. And knowing his background and knowing the dion's

1966
01:31:00,418 --> 01:31:02,178
Speaker 2: in his ear and all that kind of stuff. So

1967
01:31:02,298 --> 01:31:03,857
Speaker 2: I think this is gonna work itself out.

1968
01:31:03,978 --> 01:31:05,857
Speaker 3: Is I guess we're out going that'd be like, if

1969
01:31:05,897 --> 01:31:08,298
Speaker 3: I'm advising him for whatever this is worth, I would say,

1970
01:31:08,537 --> 01:31:10,418
Speaker 3: you could be a thirty million dollar wide receiver on

1971
01:31:10,497 --> 01:31:13,217
Speaker 3: one big contract, or you can play corner for fifteen

1972
01:31:13,298 --> 01:31:15,857
Speaker 3: years and get like four to twenty million dollar contract.

1973
01:31:15,937 --> 01:31:16,057
Speaker 2: Right.

1974
01:31:16,298 --> 01:31:21,418
Speaker 3: But my one other thing is it's not gonna matter

1975
01:31:21,418 --> 01:31:23,097
Speaker 3: because he's going first overall, and I don't think they're

1976
01:31:23,098 --> 01:31:23,977
Speaker 3: getting over I.

1977
01:31:23,937 --> 01:31:25,817
Speaker 2: Don't know if it's not gonna matter. They could lose that.

1978
01:31:25,897 --> 01:31:27,817
Speaker 3: They still have I know, but they have what three

1979
01:31:27,897 --> 01:31:28,777
Speaker 3: four teams ahead of them.

1980
01:31:28,897 --> 01:31:30,737
Speaker 2: They have three teams ahead of them. They're all one

1981
01:31:30,857 --> 01:31:32,617
Speaker 2: loss ahead of them, and that and those teams have

1982
01:31:32,737 --> 01:31:36,777
Speaker 2: some head to heads against each other. So it's a

1983
01:31:36,857 --> 01:31:40,777
Speaker 2: Giants still, it's possible. Anyways, the Giants still play. They

1984
01:31:40,857 --> 01:31:43,257
Speaker 2: play the Ravens, the Falcons, the Colts, and the Eagles.

1985
01:31:43,298 --> 01:31:46,218
Speaker 2: That's pretty tough, yep. And then again that's a quarterback team.

1986
01:31:46,298 --> 01:31:49,697
Speaker 2: So so uh long, long way to it, you know,

1987
01:31:49,737 --> 01:31:52,218
Speaker 2: long way to Grahama's house here on Travis Hunter uh

1988
01:31:52,497 --> 01:31:58,777
Speaker 2: Studd No notes yep, great football player, no notes, nope, none,

1989
01:31:59,098 --> 01:32:02,378
Speaker 2: film notes no none, none on either side. Like he's

1990
01:32:02,418 --> 01:32:04,577
Speaker 2: gonna be good. Like there's things that I can nitpick

1991
01:32:04,897 --> 01:32:06,937
Speaker 2: about both things, Like I don't think he's great on

1992
01:32:07,058 --> 01:32:09,777
Speaker 2: the outside receiver. I don't think that he's great on

1993
01:32:09,857 --> 01:32:12,218
Speaker 2: the inside of a corner. I don't really care. I

1994
01:32:12,298 --> 01:32:15,737
Speaker 2: think he's awesome. That's it all right, Next guy, this

1995
01:32:15,897 --> 01:32:19,657
Speaker 2: one comes with his asterisk, but just off talent alone

1996
01:32:19,697 --> 01:32:21,897
Speaker 2: and watching it on the film. Will Campbell is a

1997
01:32:21,937 --> 01:32:25,017
Speaker 2: top five pick in an NFL draft. Okay, he just is. Okay,

1998
01:32:25,378 --> 01:32:28,097
Speaker 2: he What I think is the best part about Will

1999
01:32:28,178 --> 01:32:33,817
Speaker 2: Campbell to me is he's got that package of foot speed,

2000
01:32:34,537 --> 01:32:37,697
Speaker 2: body control power at the point of attack right, like

2001
01:32:37,777 --> 01:32:41,178
Speaker 2: he's got it, Like you just watch him move and

2002
01:32:41,298 --> 01:32:44,137
Speaker 2: he's explosive out of his stance. He can mirror pass

2003
01:32:44,218 --> 01:32:46,178
Speaker 2: rushers on the edge, like some of the clips that

2004
01:32:46,218 --> 01:32:49,178
Speaker 2: I posted, what game was that against South Carolina where

2005
01:32:49,178 --> 01:32:51,817
Speaker 2: he's just mirroring those guys is just absurd, Like it's

2006
01:32:51,978 --> 01:32:55,418
Speaker 2: just crazy how well he can mirror guys on an

2007
01:32:55,458 --> 01:32:58,338
Speaker 2: island in pass protection. And he also has a really

2008
01:32:58,458 --> 01:33:00,817
Speaker 2: great anchor and like you really don't go through him

2009
01:33:00,857 --> 01:33:04,057
Speaker 2: too often either, Like he's he really is very stout

2010
01:33:04,178 --> 01:33:05,897
Speaker 2: and like you can just see it right like from

2011
01:33:06,058 --> 01:33:10,618
Speaker 2: in his lower half, how stout he is just technically sound, athletic,

2012
01:33:11,138 --> 01:33:11,537
Speaker 2: all of it.

2013
01:33:11,697 --> 01:33:12,138
Speaker 5: Like he is.

2014
01:33:12,777 --> 01:33:16,617
Speaker 2: He's a blue chip offensive line prospect. Of course, the

2015
01:33:16,697 --> 01:33:21,258
Speaker 2: astra is the arm light. But I find this whole

2016
01:33:21,258 --> 01:33:25,257
Speaker 2: thing to be insufferable frankly about this conversation with Will Campbell,

2017
01:33:25,657 --> 01:33:28,218
Speaker 2: because it's almost like knocking the player right for the

2018
01:33:28,298 --> 01:33:31,897
Speaker 2: fact that he was not born with longer arms. And

2019
01:33:32,058 --> 01:33:34,338
Speaker 2: also I just find it insufferable because I think it's

2020
01:33:34,458 --> 01:33:38,298
Speaker 2: way overthinking it with him. And that's why I was

2021
01:33:38,378 --> 01:33:40,218
Speaker 2: glad to see that Brugler just gave him to the

2022
01:33:40,258 --> 01:33:43,857
Speaker 2: Patriots at fourth overall and didn't overthink that's that freaking pick.

2023
01:33:44,737 --> 01:33:49,057
Speaker 2: He to me, Will Campbell is a stud I told

2024
01:33:49,098 --> 01:33:50,897
Speaker 2: you earlier that I would have it was a little

2025
01:33:50,897 --> 01:33:54,097
Speaker 2: recency biased. I kind of digested a little bit more.

2026
01:33:54,458 --> 01:33:56,338
Speaker 2: I probably would still have Joe Alds ahead of him,

2027
01:33:56,418 --> 01:33:58,777
Speaker 2: just because of the measurables, Like joeald was cut from

2028
01:33:59,378 --> 01:34:03,138
Speaker 2: freaking chiseled yeah, to play tackle right, like six eight

2029
01:34:03,218 --> 01:34:06,298
Speaker 2: three thirty thirty four inch arms like just check check, check,

2030
01:34:06,378 --> 01:34:09,298
Speaker 2: check check. Will Campbell doesn't do that. But I think

2031
01:34:09,497 --> 01:34:11,617
Speaker 2: he would be right there for me. He does besides

2032
01:34:11,657 --> 01:34:14,258
Speaker 2: the arms six six three thirty Yeah, he'd be right

2033
01:34:14,378 --> 01:34:17,697
Speaker 2: there for me in terms of you know, Alt Campbell

2034
01:34:18,258 --> 01:34:19,697
Speaker 2: for Shanu, I think for sure.

2035
01:34:19,737 --> 01:34:21,577
Speaker 3: So let's say they end up with a second pick. Yeah,

2036
01:34:21,697 --> 01:34:24,537
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter's gone. Yeah, thirty three inch arms he taken

2037
01:34:24,577 --> 01:34:25,017
Speaker 3: Will Campbell.

2038
01:34:25,737 --> 01:34:29,138
Speaker 2: I can't trade out you. Well, that's an option, but

2039
01:34:29,298 --> 01:34:29,577
Speaker 2: you can.

2040
01:34:29,777 --> 01:34:31,338
Speaker 3: If you trade out, your probably not getting Will campb

2041
01:34:31,338 --> 01:34:35,178
Speaker 3: If he his thirty three inch arms, I'm probably taking him,

2042
01:34:36,018 --> 01:34:37,497
Speaker 3: all right, thirty two and seven eighths?

2043
01:34:40,577 --> 01:34:43,418
Speaker 2: Is he good? Set the meter? I'm taking him. If

2044
01:34:43,458 --> 01:34:45,258
Speaker 2: it's thirty two and seven eights, we're talking about an

2045
01:34:45,298 --> 01:34:46,977
Speaker 2: eighth of an inch, And if that's what you're caught

2046
01:34:47,058 --> 01:34:49,617
Speaker 2: up on, then your looney tunes. Okay, So I'm taking

2047
01:34:49,697 --> 01:34:51,178
Speaker 2: him at an eighth of an inch. But I I

2048
01:34:51,978 --> 01:34:54,937
Speaker 2: sigh and I pause because I know that it's gonna

2049
01:34:54,937 --> 01:34:57,697
Speaker 2: be insufferable, Like it's gonna be a pain in the ass,

2050
01:34:58,058 --> 01:35:00,777
Speaker 2: Right it was. I told you the other day. I

2051
01:35:00,857 --> 01:35:01,617
Speaker 2: wasn't explaining this.

2052
01:35:01,697 --> 01:35:04,617
Speaker 3: I was giving a take the cutoff. The benchmark was

2053
01:35:04,657 --> 01:35:07,497
Speaker 3: thirty four inches until Rashaun Slater showed up and was

2054
01:35:07,537 --> 01:35:11,097
Speaker 3: a very good tackle with thirty three inch arms. Will Campbell,

2055
01:35:11,178 --> 01:35:12,657
Speaker 3: to me, is the kind of guy that could maybe

2056
01:35:12,737 --> 01:35:15,338
Speaker 3: reset the benchmark again. I think he's that talented. Doesn't

2057
01:35:15,378 --> 01:35:17,458
Speaker 3: mean every guy with thirty two and seven eighth inch

2058
01:35:17,617 --> 01:35:20,617
Speaker 3: arms can play tackle. I think Will Campbell probably could

2059
01:35:20,777 --> 01:35:22,617
Speaker 3: if it's like thirty two and a half right now,

2060
01:35:22,657 --> 01:35:27,577
Speaker 3: we're talking Peter Skronski territory. Okay, But I have some

2061
01:35:27,697 --> 01:35:28,857
Speaker 3: flexibility with Will Campbell.

2062
01:35:28,857 --> 01:35:29,458
Speaker 2: I think he's that good.

2063
01:35:29,497 --> 01:35:29,657
Speaker 5: Really.

2064
01:35:29,657 --> 01:35:31,537
Speaker 3: The only thing that worries me with him because he's

2065
01:35:31,577 --> 01:35:33,737
Speaker 3: got the leadership quotient he plays.

2066
01:35:34,418 --> 01:35:35,378
Speaker 2: I didn't even mention that.

2067
01:35:35,937 --> 01:35:36,537
Speaker 3: I did.

2068
01:35:36,577 --> 01:35:39,258
Speaker 2: You got all excited about the seven. So this this thing,

2069
01:35:39,418 --> 01:35:42,258
Speaker 2: this is super cool. You usually hate this. No, I'm

2070
01:35:42,497 --> 01:35:45,097
Speaker 2: so surprised you're into not because not when it comes

2071
01:35:45,098 --> 01:35:49,218
Speaker 2: to offensive lineman, because offense. Playing offensive line is a mentality,

2072
01:35:49,338 --> 01:35:51,617
Speaker 2: like you have to have a mindset to play that position.

2073
01:35:52,258 --> 01:35:54,737
Speaker 2: And the one of the reasons why I'm swimming over

2074
01:35:54,777 --> 01:35:58,098
Speaker 2: Will Campbell is because he he has that like he

2075
01:35:58,338 --> 01:35:59,977
Speaker 2: has that intangible quality.

2076
01:36:00,098 --> 01:36:01,777
Speaker 3: Well he might be he's probably a nice, kidding person.

2077
01:36:01,857 --> 01:36:02,937
Speaker 3: He's a mean, nasty guy.

2078
01:36:03,138 --> 01:36:05,977
Speaker 2: He's nasty. He wants to kill you. He wants to

2079
01:36:06,058 --> 01:36:08,617
Speaker 2: kill your family. He wants to take your your kids

2080
01:36:08,657 --> 01:36:11,298
Speaker 2: out behind the woodshed along with you, Like this guy

2081
01:36:11,497 --> 01:36:14,537
Speaker 2: is nasty as tough as nails. And the seventh thing

2082
01:36:14,657 --> 01:36:17,977
Speaker 2: is so cool to me because LSU explain the seven.

2083
01:36:18,138 --> 01:36:21,817
Speaker 2: So at LSU, the seven is the best playmaker on the.

2084
01:36:21,857 --> 01:36:24,218
Speaker 3: Rocket is awarded by the coaching staff. You cannot choose

2085
01:36:24,298 --> 01:36:26,617
Speaker 3: number seven, the coaches say at the beginning of every year. Yeah,

2086
01:36:27,018 --> 01:36:28,777
Speaker 3: the best playmaker on the offense gets seven.

2087
01:36:28,817 --> 01:36:31,418
Speaker 2: Khan had that. I think it's best playmaker on the

2088
01:36:32,218 --> 01:36:34,977
Speaker 2: eighteen on defense. I thought Patrick Peterson wore seven.

2089
01:36:35,617 --> 01:36:36,657
Speaker 3: Oh there's an eighteen too.

2090
01:36:36,697 --> 01:36:38,657
Speaker 2: I forget what that is. Maybe it's best on the team.

2091
01:36:38,657 --> 01:36:40,338
Speaker 2: Hang on all Yeah, fine, so I thought it because

2092
01:36:40,338 --> 01:36:42,857
Speaker 2: I know Patrick Peterson wore it and Leonard Fournette wore it,

2093
01:36:42,937 --> 01:36:47,418
Speaker 2: I think. And to have a program like LSU that

2094
01:36:47,577 --> 01:36:51,097
Speaker 2: is just a factory of skill player. You're right, eighteen

2095
01:36:51,218 --> 01:36:53,777
Speaker 2: is best leader. Seven is best playmaker either side.

2096
01:36:53,857 --> 01:36:54,017
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2097
01:36:54,098 --> 01:36:56,058
Speaker 2: So to have a program like LSU, that's just a

2098
01:36:56,178 --> 01:36:58,617
Speaker 2: factory of great NFL players.

2099
01:36:58,657 --> 01:37:01,697
Speaker 3: As you explained, I give you some sevens Pat Peterson,

2100
01:37:01,737 --> 01:37:05,057
Speaker 3: Tyron Matthew, Leonard Fournette, DJ Shark, Jonathan Giles, Grant Delpin.

2101
01:37:05,218 --> 01:37:06,897
Speaker 2: Yeah. So not all of them have panned out to

2102
01:37:07,018 --> 01:37:12,057
Speaker 2: be fair, but to have LSU give a offensive lineman

2103
01:37:12,777 --> 01:37:15,577
Speaker 2: the seven, first time it's ever happened. Best playmaker gets

2104
01:37:15,657 --> 01:37:18,458
Speaker 2: the seven from the offensive line, and then he's not

2105
01:37:18,697 --> 01:37:21,298
Speaker 2: eligible to wear seven in the game because he's an

2106
01:37:21,338 --> 01:37:24,058
Speaker 2: offensive lineman, so he wears it as a patch on

2107
01:37:24,178 --> 01:37:24,697
Speaker 2: his jersey.

2108
01:37:24,817 --> 01:37:27,418
Speaker 3: That is freaking awesome. That is That is the kind

2109
01:37:27,458 --> 01:37:28,897
Speaker 3: of thing you usually roll your eyes in.

2110
01:37:29,897 --> 01:37:32,098
Speaker 2: Because not because that's what that's what you want to

2111
01:37:32,138 --> 01:37:35,657
Speaker 2: hear when you're drafting an offensive lineman and he's a playmaker. Yeah,

2112
01:37:35,657 --> 01:37:38,298
Speaker 2: he's a playmaker that changes your line.

2113
01:37:38,378 --> 01:37:41,298
Speaker 3: That's a Pennay soul kind of thing, right, So yeah,

2114
01:37:41,378 --> 01:37:43,777
Speaker 3: outside of the arm length, like and I'm willing to

2115
01:37:43,817 --> 01:37:46,097
Speaker 3: be flexible there, like I to me, he's the guy.

2116
01:37:46,218 --> 01:37:48,697
Speaker 3: The only thing that gave me any semblance of pause

2117
01:37:48,737 --> 01:37:50,058
Speaker 3: this year's penalties.

2118
01:37:49,737 --> 01:37:52,017
Speaker 2: Yes, that was it. He gets opened up a little

2119
01:37:52,058 --> 01:37:54,537
Speaker 2: bit in his past sets, but it's fixable in my mind,

2120
01:37:54,577 --> 01:37:56,298
Speaker 2: Like it's it's just a technique thing. I don't think

2121
01:37:56,338 --> 01:37:57,378
Speaker 2: it's anything too serious.

2122
01:37:57,537 --> 01:38:00,098
Speaker 3: He played three years in the SEC, started as a

2123
01:38:00,138 --> 01:38:03,017
Speaker 3: true freshman, started three full seasons. He allowed a sack

2124
01:38:03,098 --> 01:38:05,138
Speaker 3: in his first game, He allowed a sack in his

2125
01:38:05,258 --> 01:38:08,258
Speaker 3: last game. He allowed one sack the entire time in between.

2126
01:38:08,378 --> 01:38:10,697
Speaker 2: Yeah, two years without a sack base, basically two.

2127
01:38:10,657 --> 01:38:13,697
Speaker 3: Years in that sack in the SEC. The guy's freaking

2128
01:38:13,777 --> 01:38:14,338
Speaker 3: special man.

2129
01:38:14,418 --> 01:38:18,418
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was thirty two and seven ages.

2130
01:38:21,258 --> 01:38:22,817
Speaker 3: Like you said, if you're gonna take a guy in

2131
01:38:22,857 --> 01:38:24,857
Speaker 3: the top five, he needs to have top five talent.

2132
01:38:25,138 --> 01:38:26,577
Speaker 3: Will Campbell his top five talent.

2133
01:38:26,697 --> 01:38:29,017
Speaker 2: Yeah, So last thing on Will Campbell, then we'll move again.

2134
01:38:29,777 --> 01:38:32,497
Speaker 2: I just look at it to a little bit, and

2135
01:38:32,617 --> 01:38:36,497
Speaker 2: I look at Drake and even Christian Gonzales. I am

2136
01:38:36,657 --> 01:38:40,777
Speaker 2: all aboard the early declare train. At this point in

2137
01:38:40,817 --> 01:38:44,018
Speaker 2: the draft, true junior is coming out. That means that

2138
01:38:44,058 --> 01:38:44,537
Speaker 2: you're a stud.

2139
01:38:44,657 --> 01:38:46,937
Speaker 3: Well, this class is all true juniors. It's like an

2140
01:38:46,978 --> 01:38:47,977
Speaker 3: insane number of.

2141
01:38:48,058 --> 01:38:51,258
Speaker 2: Yeah, that means you're the real deal. It didn't take

2142
01:38:51,298 --> 01:38:53,497
Speaker 2: you six years in college to get to this point.

2143
01:38:53,777 --> 01:38:56,017
Speaker 2: You did it in three and you're already a top

2144
01:38:56,098 --> 01:38:57,178
Speaker 2: ten prospect in the NFL.

2145
01:38:57,178 --> 01:38:59,138
Speaker 3: There's so many true juniors in this class. It's an

2146
01:38:59,178 --> 01:38:59,657
Speaker 3: insane night.

2147
01:38:59,697 --> 01:39:01,298
Speaker 2: And I know you love this. It's a little bit

2148
01:39:01,418 --> 01:39:05,298
Speaker 2: like Drake too, where like his his sophomore season was

2149
01:39:05,378 --> 01:39:08,378
Speaker 2: maybe even better than his junior season. You know, I

2150
01:39:08,458 --> 01:39:11,097
Speaker 2: thought Will Campbell last year was like, Okay, this guy's

2151
01:39:11,098 --> 01:39:12,657
Speaker 2: going to be a top five pick in the draft

2152
01:39:13,058 --> 01:39:15,218
Speaker 2: last year if he was able to come out and

2153
01:39:15,258 --> 01:39:17,977
Speaker 2: he was eligible. Now this year, he just did what

2154
01:39:18,058 --> 01:39:18,617
Speaker 2: he needed to do.

2155
01:39:19,258 --> 01:39:23,617
Speaker 3: I say, Garrett nuss Meyer's a much harder quarterback.

2156
01:39:23,178 --> 01:39:24,657
Speaker 2: To block franchise Terris.

2157
01:39:25,617 --> 01:39:28,537
Speaker 3: Garrett nuss Meyer has no concept of the pocket.

2158
01:39:28,697 --> 01:39:33,537
Speaker 2: It's atrocious. Yeah. Okay, So that's Will Campbell. Yeah, bottom line,

2159
01:39:34,657 --> 01:39:38,458
Speaker 2: high level blocker, elite foot speed, body control, but just

2160
01:39:38,577 --> 01:39:41,897
Speaker 2: might not be long enough for tackle. That's that's it, right,

2161
01:39:41,978 --> 01:39:43,777
Speaker 2: It's just that butt. It's just that butt.

2162
01:39:43,857 --> 01:39:47,057
Speaker 3: So the combine technically begins on the twenty seventh. Yeah,

2163
01:39:47,138 --> 01:39:50,017
Speaker 3: so that would put offensive line measurements I think March

2164
01:39:50,978 --> 01:39:51,737
Speaker 3: March second.

2165
01:39:51,577 --> 01:39:55,058
Speaker 2: Yeah, big day circle it. Okay, So here is my

2166
01:39:55,218 --> 01:39:59,418
Speaker 2: next wave here, and this is like if the Patriots

2167
01:39:59,458 --> 01:40:02,697
Speaker 2: were to trade down, I feel comfortable with drafting one

2168
01:40:02,737 --> 01:40:04,777
Speaker 2: of these three players, and I put him in order

2169
01:40:04,777 --> 01:40:05,418
Speaker 2: because you know I like this.

2170
01:40:05,617 --> 01:40:07,338
Speaker 3: So wait, I know you said you didn't watch him,

2171
01:40:07,418 --> 01:40:08,977
Speaker 3: but from what you're familiar with, where do you put

2172
01:40:09,018 --> 01:40:09,617
Speaker 3: Will Johnson?

2173
01:40:10,697 --> 01:40:10,857
Speaker 4: Uh?

2174
01:40:11,817 --> 01:40:14,537
Speaker 2: Probably in this list? Okay. I think the big thing

2175
01:40:14,617 --> 01:40:16,737
Speaker 2: that I see with Will Johnson is long speed I

2176
01:40:16,978 --> 01:40:19,458
Speaker 2: know that's been something that's come up with people. If

2177
01:40:19,497 --> 01:40:21,218
Speaker 2: you're gonna play on the boundary in the NFL, you

2178
01:40:21,338 --> 01:40:22,737
Speaker 2: have to be able to run, like you have to

2179
01:40:22,777 --> 01:40:24,298
Speaker 2: be Christian Gonzales, like, you have to be able to

2180
01:40:24,298 --> 01:40:27,138
Speaker 2: carry everything. Travis Hunter can carry everything. I don't know

2181
01:40:27,178 --> 01:40:30,497
Speaker 2: if Will Johnson's like it's not terrible, Like, yeah, but

2182
01:40:30,497 --> 01:40:32,418
Speaker 2: it's not. I mean, he was projected as the top

2183
01:40:32,458 --> 01:40:34,857
Speaker 2: pick in this draft. Yeah, that's why I ask. Okay,

2184
01:40:34,978 --> 01:40:38,298
Speaker 2: so I put I put these guys in order, Uh,

2185
01:40:38,737 --> 01:40:41,458
Speaker 2: my next guy on my wish list here, and this

2186
01:40:41,617 --> 01:40:44,057
Speaker 2: is the trade down category. Right, So we're going from

2187
01:40:44,138 --> 01:40:46,897
Speaker 2: FORDA to eight or nine or ten, and we're drafting

2188
01:40:46,978 --> 01:40:49,737
Speaker 2: this guy. I'm not drafting this guy at four. Abdul

2189
01:40:49,777 --> 01:40:53,937
Speaker 2: Carter from Penn State. I h I was really impressed.

2190
01:40:54,978 --> 01:40:59,657
Speaker 2: My one caveat with it for him is really more

2191
01:40:59,657 --> 01:41:03,378
Speaker 2: about them, right Like, are you gonna draft as the Patriots?

2192
01:41:03,458 --> 01:41:03,497
Speaker 5: Like?

2193
01:41:03,697 --> 01:41:06,617
Speaker 2: Are the Patriots now into up the field rushers? Right? Like?

2194
01:41:06,737 --> 01:41:10,137
Speaker 2: Is that now a thing that they're subscribing to? Because

2195
01:41:10,577 --> 01:41:14,897
Speaker 2: when I watch when I watched Abdul Carter, his style

2196
01:41:14,978 --> 01:41:18,097
Speaker 2: of play is not is not a Belichick style of play.

2197
01:41:18,418 --> 01:41:22,777
Speaker 2: He is a up the field, downhill, hair on fire,

2198
01:41:23,218 --> 01:41:26,378
Speaker 2: coming around the edge. That's how he plays. If you

2199
01:41:26,458 --> 01:41:28,657
Speaker 2: need want a guy to like post up on the

2200
01:41:28,817 --> 01:41:30,817
Speaker 2: edge and set the edge of the defense ends and

2201
01:41:30,897 --> 01:41:33,057
Speaker 2: hold the point of it like an Anthony Jennings. Right,

2202
01:41:33,497 --> 01:41:36,937
Speaker 2: he's not that, But this guy is Matthew jud replaced.

2203
01:41:37,178 --> 01:41:39,097
Speaker 2: This guy has twitched up as hell, Like this guy

2204
01:41:39,218 --> 01:41:42,937
Speaker 2: is shot out of a cannon. Excellent bend around the

2205
01:41:43,018 --> 01:41:45,897
Speaker 2: corner as well, closing bursts to the quarterback. Like he's

2206
01:41:45,937 --> 01:41:48,458
Speaker 2: got that ability to corner and just close on the

2207
01:41:48,497 --> 01:41:50,537
Speaker 2: quarterback and get him on the ground. Like some of

2208
01:41:50,697 --> 01:41:53,298
Speaker 2: the tape that you watch against him, you know, against

2209
01:41:53,657 --> 01:41:56,697
Speaker 2: your boy Ursery just kind of ate his lunch. Ohio

2210
01:41:56,817 --> 01:42:03,497
Speaker 2: States tackles ate their lunch third Maryland last week was absurd, right, like,

2211
01:42:03,657 --> 01:42:06,257
Speaker 2: you know, just every single week, this guy's putting up numbers.

2212
01:42:06,897 --> 01:42:11,977
Speaker 2: But like I said, awesome, awesome pass rusher, screamer twitched

2213
01:42:12,058 --> 01:42:15,697
Speaker 2: up off the edge, But he's not He's not an eddsetter.

2214
01:42:15,978 --> 01:42:18,897
Speaker 2: He's a pass rusher. He's an up the field player.

2215
01:42:19,458 --> 01:42:21,537
Speaker 2: Are the Patriots into that sort of thing? And now

2216
01:42:21,857 --> 01:42:24,138
Speaker 2: is that a is that a new turning a new lead?

2217
01:42:24,258 --> 01:42:26,897
Speaker 2: Well it kind of worked with judea On, so you'd

2218
01:42:26,937 --> 01:42:29,217
Speaker 2: have to. But like jud On was a veteran, proven

2219
01:42:29,258 --> 01:42:30,657
Speaker 2: player in this league, are you going to have a

2220
01:42:30,777 --> 01:42:31,857
Speaker 2: rookie that kind of freedom?

2221
01:42:31,897 --> 01:42:33,897
Speaker 3: That's a fair question. The other thing with me, and

2222
01:42:34,018 --> 01:42:35,138
Speaker 3: by the way, this is a theme for a lot

2223
01:42:35,178 --> 01:42:37,737
Speaker 3: of guys in this draft. Yeah, it's consistency. Like he

2224
01:42:37,777 --> 01:42:40,138
Speaker 3: had a pretty pedestrian start to the season and then

2225
01:42:40,178 --> 01:42:43,098
Speaker 3: the last month and a half just went on an

2226
01:42:43,258 --> 01:42:46,657
Speaker 3: absolute heater even though Maryland sucks in Ohio again, was

2227
01:42:46,737 --> 01:42:49,497
Speaker 3: like using their third string right guard as a left tackle.

2228
01:42:49,617 --> 01:42:52,418
Speaker 3: But no, he can he can play, he can get

2229
01:42:52,418 --> 01:42:55,697
Speaker 3: after the quarterback. He's a modern rusher, something that teams

2230
01:42:55,697 --> 01:42:57,218
Speaker 3: are gonna have to decide when they look at the

2231
01:42:57,298 --> 01:43:00,098
Speaker 3: edge guys. We talked about this with James Pierce, who

2232
01:43:00,178 --> 01:43:02,857
Speaker 3: was the top pass rusher coming into this class and

2233
01:43:02,978 --> 01:43:05,977
Speaker 3: had a rough year. It's more extreme with James Piers.

2234
01:43:06,178 --> 01:43:09,418
Speaker 3: James Pierce is a pass rush specialist. James Pearce is

2235
01:43:09,458 --> 01:43:11,817
Speaker 3: not a three down player. Now, he's damn good to

2236
01:43:11,857 --> 01:43:14,258
Speaker 3: getting to the quarterback. But are you going to use

2237
01:43:14,537 --> 01:43:18,657
Speaker 3: a top fifteen pick on a guy that is a

2238
01:43:18,777 --> 01:43:19,657
Speaker 3: situational player?

2239
01:43:19,897 --> 01:43:22,418
Speaker 2: Now? Carter projects more as a run defender. Yeah, he's

2240
01:43:22,458 --> 01:43:24,378
Speaker 2: not gonna give you much that he wins, but he

2241
01:43:24,497 --> 01:43:27,017
Speaker 2: wins in the run game with quickness. Right, he's gonna

2242
01:43:27,018 --> 01:43:29,378
Speaker 2: slip blocks and he's gonna jump gaps and things like that.

2243
01:43:29,458 --> 01:43:31,857
Speaker 3: He is the opportunity to become a three down player,

2244
01:43:31,897 --> 01:43:33,137
Speaker 3: but he's probably not right away.

2245
01:43:33,378 --> 01:43:34,098
Speaker 2: So that's the other thing.

2246
01:43:34,138 --> 01:43:35,697
Speaker 3: And it goes to your point about play style, like

2247
01:43:35,777 --> 01:43:38,058
Speaker 3: that's gonna come with an adjustment. You just have to

2248
01:43:38,098 --> 01:43:40,338
Speaker 3: ask yourself how he projects as a three down player,

2249
01:43:40,378 --> 01:43:43,137
Speaker 3: and your your say, whatever team drafts him, whatever team's

2250
01:43:43,138 --> 01:43:46,057
Speaker 3: evaluating him, you have to project either how he fits

2251
01:43:46,138 --> 01:43:48,058
Speaker 3: the three down player in your defense or do you

2252
01:43:48,138 --> 01:43:51,177
Speaker 3: go to the James Pierce extreme and just say, maybe

2253
01:43:51,218 --> 01:43:54,258
Speaker 3: he's just a situational rusher, but he's so good, we'll

2254
01:43:54,338 --> 01:43:55,097
Speaker 3: use the pick where.

2255
01:43:54,978 --> 01:43:57,937
Speaker 2: We use the pick. Had some just unreal moments of

2256
01:43:58,018 --> 01:44:00,458
Speaker 2: speed and bend around the edge where like Cackles can't

2257
01:44:00,458 --> 01:44:04,018
Speaker 2: even get there, no tier athlete, like just eliting. And

2258
01:44:04,138 --> 01:44:05,897
Speaker 2: you can see it too, like you know, not to

2259
01:44:05,978 --> 01:44:08,098
Speaker 2: go all weird, but like you can see it with

2260
01:44:08,218 --> 01:44:10,338
Speaker 2: the body type, like the lower half, like you can

2261
01:44:10,418 --> 01:44:12,657
Speaker 2: just see the explosiveness that he has in his legs

2262
01:44:13,497 --> 01:44:16,857
Speaker 2: off the ball. Just a really fun player to watch it.

2263
01:44:16,937 --> 01:44:18,977
Speaker 2: And another guy we talked about this, you know, another

2264
01:44:19,058 --> 01:44:21,218
Speaker 2: college football playoff guy, right, like you know you can

2265
01:44:21,258 --> 01:44:24,618
Speaker 2: see him have have even more good games against good competition.

2266
01:44:24,897 --> 01:44:26,937
Speaker 2: They're gonna be the college football playoff, right, pen State

2267
01:44:27,018 --> 01:44:30,537
Speaker 2: Penn State? Yeah yeah there so he'll I've and I

2268
01:44:30,577 --> 01:44:32,657
Speaker 2: mean there's a chance we get Penn State Texas. Yeah.

2269
01:44:32,737 --> 01:44:35,058
Speaker 2: So Kelvin Banks Abdual Carter Right, that's again like that

2270
01:44:35,418 --> 01:44:38,057
Speaker 2: game is going to mean so much for both players

2271
01:44:38,058 --> 01:44:42,257
Speaker 2: stocks yep, all right. Next on the list, Yeah, TEP McMillan.

2272
01:44:42,777 --> 01:44:46,257
Speaker 2: So I like Tech macmillan, I don't love TEP McMillan.

2273
01:44:47,098 --> 01:44:49,138
Speaker 2: I don't feel the same way about TEP McMillan as

2274
01:44:49,178 --> 01:44:51,577
Speaker 2: I did. Marvin Harrison Junior and Melik Neighbors last year

2275
01:44:52,697 --> 01:44:55,977
Speaker 2: not the same caliber. Like you know, look, Marvin Harrison

2276
01:44:56,058 --> 01:44:59,817
Speaker 2: Junior wasn't like a burner either, but like when better

2277
01:44:59,857 --> 01:45:02,378
Speaker 2: comparison to me, you know you look at in terms

2278
01:45:02,418 --> 01:45:05,338
Speaker 2: of body type than Melik Neighbors obviously, but like when

2279
01:45:05,378 --> 01:45:09,058
Speaker 2: you would watch you know, Neighbors at LSU, like that

2280
01:45:09,178 --> 01:45:11,577
Speaker 2: guy just moves different, right, you can just see it.

2281
01:45:11,697 --> 01:45:13,338
Speaker 2: That's what I want to see when I watch a

2282
01:45:13,418 --> 01:45:16,777
Speaker 2: first round pick in the top ten at a wide receiver.

2283
01:45:16,897 --> 01:45:18,857
Speaker 2: I want to see a guy that is just a

2284
01:45:19,497 --> 01:45:22,338
Speaker 2: tier athlete and moves different than everybody else on the field.

2285
01:45:22,697 --> 01:45:25,777
Speaker 2: And I just didn't necessarily see that with Ted. And

2286
01:45:25,978 --> 01:45:28,378
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing to me is that you

2287
01:45:28,458 --> 01:45:31,057
Speaker 2: have to understand what you're drafting when you draft Ted

2288
01:45:31,178 --> 01:45:33,897
Speaker 2: mc millan. And my concern with it is is that

2289
01:45:34,018 --> 01:45:37,338
Speaker 2: you're adding another guy to this offense who's not fast,

2290
01:45:37,737 --> 01:45:40,458
Speaker 2: like and they already have guys that are are not fast,

2291
01:45:40,537 --> 01:45:44,178
Speaker 2: that are just like good possession, like body receivers right

2292
01:45:44,338 --> 01:45:47,817
Speaker 2: like contested catch guys and back shoulders and I'm gonna

2293
01:45:48,098 --> 01:45:50,577
Speaker 2: run across the middle of the field into zones and

2294
01:45:50,777 --> 01:45:52,857
Speaker 2: like catch balls over the middle of the field. And

2295
01:45:53,258 --> 01:45:55,098
Speaker 2: like I do like the fact that he can, you know,

2296
01:45:55,218 --> 01:45:57,338
Speaker 2: go inside a little bit, Like you can use him

2297
01:45:58,258 --> 01:46:00,777
Speaker 2: in the slots some to stretch the seam and to

2298
01:46:00,897 --> 01:46:03,378
Speaker 2: run routes from the slot, which I guess can be useful.

2299
01:46:03,497 --> 01:46:06,217
Speaker 2: And like the catch radius in the body control is excellent,

2300
01:46:06,338 --> 01:46:09,737
Speaker 2: Like he's got that ability back shoulder, high point fade

2301
01:46:09,897 --> 01:46:13,258
Speaker 2: work the sidelines, got great feet and you know awareness

2302
01:46:13,338 --> 01:46:16,897
Speaker 2: of the sideline canto, those types of things. So I

2303
01:46:17,298 --> 01:46:19,897
Speaker 2: see a lot of Drake London. I see a little

2304
01:46:19,897 --> 01:46:21,737
Speaker 2: bit of T Higgins in his game. As a way,

2305
01:46:22,378 --> 01:46:24,697
Speaker 2: I think Mike Evans is on a different stratosphere. I

2306
01:46:24,777 --> 01:46:27,378
Speaker 2: don't think that's a fair comp to anybody. Frankly, it's

2307
01:46:27,418 --> 01:46:29,657
Speaker 2: the it's the apex of that sort of player. But

2308
01:46:29,817 --> 01:46:32,258
Speaker 2: that's him like truly maxing out. So the question that

2309
01:46:32,338 --> 01:46:35,057
Speaker 2: I would just have, and we all know those players

2310
01:46:35,098 --> 01:46:38,577
Speaker 2: in the NFL, would you draft T Higgins fourth overall

2311
01:46:38,617 --> 01:46:39,137
Speaker 2: in the draft?

2312
01:46:40,617 --> 01:46:44,537
Speaker 3: So, I mean the Patriots, given their history at wide receiver,

2313
01:46:44,617 --> 01:46:45,258
Speaker 3: you can get that guy.

2314
01:46:45,258 --> 01:46:47,258
Speaker 2: I think you would. Now do you do that when

2315
01:46:47,298 --> 01:46:50,577
Speaker 2: you can just sign to Higgins? Right? Becomes another conversation.

2316
01:46:50,937 --> 01:46:51,777
Speaker 2: Definitely not both.

2317
01:46:51,817 --> 01:46:53,338
Speaker 3: I know some people want to see them so too

2318
01:46:53,418 --> 01:46:55,817
Speaker 3: a receiver. If you're gonna do that and T Higgins

2319
01:46:55,978 --> 01:46:58,497
Speaker 3: is the guy, well, now we're talking about Travis Hunter

2320
01:46:58,617 --> 01:46:59,857
Speaker 3: or even maybe Luther Burden.

2321
01:47:01,258 --> 01:47:03,617
Speaker 2: I think you're under selling McMillan's speed a little bit.

2322
01:47:04,978 --> 01:47:07,137
Speaker 3: He's not a burner. He's not gonna run the four twos.

2323
01:47:07,737 --> 01:47:09,497
Speaker 3: He could be a low four to four guy because

2324
01:47:10,178 --> 01:47:14,617
Speaker 3: he doesn't he doesn't look that fast because his legs

2325
01:47:14,657 --> 01:47:17,537
Speaker 3: are so long. He's got that stride that it looks

2326
01:47:17,577 --> 01:47:21,338
Speaker 3: effortless and the most underrated part about his game to me,

2327
01:47:21,378 --> 01:47:24,298
Speaker 3: And maybe this doesn't go to straight line speed. He's quick,

2328
01:47:24,617 --> 01:47:26,657
Speaker 3: he can get away from defenders with the ball in

2329
01:47:26,737 --> 01:47:29,458
Speaker 3: his hands. He's a plus player after the catch. Usually

2330
01:47:29,458 --> 01:47:31,097
Speaker 3: don't see that from guys that are six to five.

2331
01:47:31,138 --> 01:47:34,378
Speaker 2: And he brings that. I agree, Like he's not slow.

2332
01:47:35,218 --> 01:47:36,057
Speaker 2: He's not slow.

2333
01:47:36,098 --> 01:47:38,258
Speaker 3: And to the point about they need to add speed, Yes,

2334
01:47:38,258 --> 01:47:40,178
Speaker 3: I would like to see them add speed, But I

2335
01:47:40,258 --> 01:47:42,338
Speaker 3: don't look at McMillan and say, all right, there's another

2336
01:47:42,378 --> 01:47:44,418
Speaker 3: guy that's just gonna trudge around the field. Now he

2337
01:47:44,497 --> 01:47:47,258
Speaker 3: has quickness, he can create after the catch. It's not

2338
01:47:47,657 --> 01:47:49,937
Speaker 3: This isn't a case of you know a guy like

2339
01:47:50,058 --> 01:47:52,298
Speaker 3: Jalen Polk, who you worry about his ability to separate

2340
01:47:52,338 --> 01:47:54,577
Speaker 3: and he has to win those fifty to fifty balls.

2341
01:47:54,617 --> 01:47:57,418
Speaker 3: Ted McMillan can create separation, but he's not gonna be

2342
01:47:57,458 --> 01:48:00,097
Speaker 3: somebody again that you're just gonna have running goal balls

2343
01:48:00,138 --> 01:48:01,777
Speaker 3: and expect him to beat the defender every time.

2344
01:48:01,897 --> 01:48:03,338
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a fair point. Like I know

2345
01:48:03,577 --> 01:48:05,817
Speaker 2: you're right, Like I'm not trying to say he's a

2346
01:48:05,937 --> 01:48:08,218
Speaker 2: snail out there. But I just think that when I

2347
01:48:08,338 --> 01:48:11,258
Speaker 2: watch him, I don't see a whole lot of three level,

2348
01:48:11,458 --> 01:48:13,378
Speaker 2: you know, third level separating what do you see?

2349
01:48:13,657 --> 01:48:15,857
Speaker 3: But but and I know people roll their eyes at

2350
01:48:15,857 --> 01:48:17,178
Speaker 3: this because here we go again. He's not the kind

2351
01:48:17,178 --> 01:48:18,497
Speaker 3: of guy that needs to do that because he can

2352
01:48:18,537 --> 01:48:20,458
Speaker 3: win at the catch point. Yeah, but they have a

2353
01:48:20,537 --> 01:48:22,617
Speaker 3: quarterback now that can do more to take advantage of

2354
01:48:22,617 --> 01:48:23,098
Speaker 3: a guy like that.

2355
01:48:23,497 --> 01:48:24,218
Speaker 2: What do you see?

2356
01:48:24,338 --> 01:48:26,418
Speaker 3: Where do you see his forty time ranging? Like, when

2357
01:48:26,458 --> 01:48:29,697
Speaker 3: you watch him, what do you four or five see?

2358
01:48:29,777 --> 01:48:31,617
Speaker 3: I think he can get to the mid four force.

2359
01:48:31,737 --> 01:48:33,817
Speaker 2: If he does that, then I like I'd be impressed.

2360
01:48:33,978 --> 01:48:36,737
Speaker 2: I think he's a four or five guy. I think

2361
01:48:36,777 --> 01:48:39,497
Speaker 2: the best part about Ted McMillan to me is that

2362
01:48:39,577 --> 01:48:42,378
Speaker 2: he's a really really smooth athlete for six foot five.

2363
01:48:42,897 --> 01:48:45,497
Speaker 2: And when I watch you know guys in the past

2364
01:48:45,537 --> 01:48:48,497
Speaker 2: that I haven't like loved at the position, Yeah, Quinton

2365
01:48:48,577 --> 01:48:52,178
Speaker 2: Johnston for example, Keon Coleman. So so let me ask this.

2366
01:48:52,258 --> 01:48:54,057
Speaker 3: Some people have brought up Quentin Johnston, and you were

2367
01:48:54,218 --> 01:48:56,178
Speaker 3: very quick two years ago to say this guy is

2368
01:48:56,218 --> 01:48:58,857
Speaker 3: not he thinks he is. How do you see McMillan

2369
01:48:58,897 --> 01:49:00,018
Speaker 3: compared to Johnston.

2370
01:48:59,817 --> 01:49:02,458
Speaker 2: Much better compared to them, And the reason being is

2371
01:49:02,577 --> 01:49:06,177
Speaker 2: that one he doesn't have frying pan hands, which helps

2372
01:49:06,338 --> 01:49:09,698
Speaker 2: actually very good. Yeah, and number two is just his smoothness.

2373
01:49:09,817 --> 01:49:12,258
Speaker 2: Like the big thing that I was worried about when

2374
01:49:12,338 --> 01:49:16,017
Speaker 2: I studied Quinton Johnston and when I studied Keon Coleman

2375
01:49:16,138 --> 01:49:19,057
Speaker 2: last year is that they're very robotic in their movements.

2376
01:49:19,058 --> 01:49:21,737
Speaker 2: They're stiff, right, And one of the things that I

2377
01:49:21,857 --> 01:49:24,378
Speaker 2: learned from Nikhil Harry is when you see guys that

2378
01:49:24,497 --> 01:49:27,657
Speaker 2: are like stiff like that and are like they don't

2379
01:49:27,657 --> 01:49:30,897
Speaker 2: have a difficult time like sinking and cutting and things

2380
01:49:30,978 --> 01:49:34,017
Speaker 2: like that, then you can't add branches to the route tree.

2381
01:49:34,178 --> 01:49:36,977
Speaker 2: All it is is jump balls, right, There is no

2382
01:49:37,058 --> 01:49:40,138
Speaker 2: other branches. So with Quentin Johnson, like we're seeing that

2383
01:49:40,458 --> 01:49:44,817
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles right now, Ted McMillan is not not

2384
01:49:45,218 --> 01:49:48,218
Speaker 2: anywhere like that. Like he's a very smooth athlete. He's

2385
01:49:48,338 --> 01:49:50,537
Speaker 2: very smooth in and out of his brakes. He has

2386
01:49:50,617 --> 01:49:53,497
Speaker 2: some flashes of route release and you know, ability to

2387
01:49:53,537 --> 01:49:56,178
Speaker 2: get off the line of scrimmage. He's just not a

2388
01:49:56,338 --> 01:49:59,497
Speaker 2: top end, like he's not a game breaker like in

2389
01:49:59,617 --> 01:50:03,458
Speaker 2: terms of like that torpetability type of ability with speed.

2390
01:50:04,338 --> 01:50:06,737
Speaker 2: But you mentioned the yards after catch. I do agree

2391
01:50:06,737 --> 01:50:08,817
Speaker 2: with you there. I think he's faster with the ball

2392
01:50:08,857 --> 01:50:11,737
Speaker 2: in his hands, which is interesting, which I do like.

2393
01:50:11,857 --> 01:50:18,458
Speaker 2: But to me, he's gonna win. It's gonna be you know, slants, digs, comebacks,

2394
01:50:18,857 --> 01:50:22,777
Speaker 2: back shoulders, high points, like that's gonna be his route tree. Well,

2395
01:50:22,817 --> 01:50:24,977
Speaker 2: they have a quarterback that's pretty good with that route tree. Yeah,

2396
01:50:24,978 --> 01:50:26,777
Speaker 2: but it's not gonna be. I'm gonna just run through

2397
01:50:26,777 --> 01:50:28,617
Speaker 2: the defense, right, I will say this.

2398
01:50:28,777 --> 01:50:30,817
Speaker 3: So here's how you know it's really drafts. And again

2399
01:50:30,857 --> 01:50:32,817
Speaker 3: we're doing the rumored high school forty times. Remember we

2400
01:50:32,897 --> 01:50:34,897
Speaker 3: did this to Johnny Wilson last year. I was like, oh,

2401
01:50:34,937 --> 01:50:37,177
Speaker 3: he ran a four or three in high school and whatever.

2402
01:50:37,577 --> 01:50:41,857
Speaker 3: So Tech McMillan's rumored high school forty time, yeah, is

2403
01:50:41,937 --> 01:50:45,018
Speaker 3: four or five flat. Yeah, So okay, But if you

2404
01:50:45,058 --> 01:50:47,458
Speaker 3: figured that's high school is also rumored that's high school.

2405
01:50:47,458 --> 01:50:49,218
Speaker 3: If he's built on that, can he shave half a

2406
01:50:49,298 --> 01:50:51,257
Speaker 3: second off that three.

2407
01:50:51,178 --> 01:50:53,298
Speaker 2: Years into college? Yeah? The other weird thing.

2408
01:50:53,537 --> 01:50:55,857
Speaker 3: The other weird thing with Tech McMillan. And I'm curious

2409
01:50:55,937 --> 01:50:57,497
Speaker 3: to see how people react to this. You kind of

2410
01:50:57,497 --> 01:50:59,577
Speaker 3: talked about it with Travis Hunter, but Travis Hunter just

2411
01:50:59,657 --> 01:51:03,978
Speaker 3: a different kind of player. So Tech McMillan's quarterback at Arizona,

2412
01:51:04,338 --> 01:51:06,817
Speaker 3: And I'm curious, now that you've watched, how you win this.

2413
01:51:07,258 --> 01:51:09,697
Speaker 3: Tech McMillan's quarterback in arizona' a guy named Noah Fafida.

2414
01:51:09,897 --> 01:51:13,458
Speaker 3: Noah Flafita is a solid college quarterback. This is another

2415
01:51:13,537 --> 01:51:16,577
Speaker 3: thing real quick. The rest of that Arizona team terrible. Yeah,

2416
01:51:16,737 --> 01:51:20,458
Speaker 3: just Notita's fine. And so consistency is the thing with

2417
01:51:20,577 --> 01:51:23,058
Speaker 3: McMillan you're gonna look at with him, but some of

2418
01:51:23,138 --> 01:51:24,937
Speaker 3: it is teams would just like triple cover him.

2419
01:51:25,657 --> 01:51:28,018
Speaker 2: So yeah, in the quarterback kind of stinks like he

2420
01:51:28,138 --> 01:51:30,617
Speaker 2: had one route. I remember that I cut where he

2421
01:51:30,937 --> 01:51:33,418
Speaker 2: separates on the comeback and the quarterback throws at ten

2422
01:51:33,497 --> 01:51:33,937
Speaker 2: yards over it.

2423
01:51:34,098 --> 01:51:36,338
Speaker 3: So but here, So one thing you gotta look at

2424
01:51:36,418 --> 01:51:39,018
Speaker 3: Ted mcmillinerson. He was getting all the attention defensively and

2425
01:51:39,098 --> 01:51:41,258
Speaker 3: that's why you had these fifty percent of his receiving

2426
01:51:41,338 --> 01:51:42,298
Speaker 3: yards came in three games.

2427
01:51:42,418 --> 01:51:42,617
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2428
01:51:42,857 --> 01:51:44,378
Speaker 3: But the other thing is so Fafita has been his

2429
01:51:44,497 --> 01:51:47,817
Speaker 3: quarterback since high school. Yeah, so there's an advanced chemistry there.

2430
01:51:47,857 --> 01:51:49,378
Speaker 3: And I'm wondering if some people are gonna look at

2431
01:51:49,418 --> 01:51:51,617
Speaker 3: that and say, well, yeah, he looks like such a

2432
01:51:51,697 --> 01:51:54,178
Speaker 3: great body control fifty to fifty ball receiver because him

2433
01:51:54,178 --> 01:51:56,258
Speaker 3: and Fefida are on the same page. Is he gonna

2434
01:51:56,258 --> 01:51:57,097
Speaker 3: have that with the next guy?

2435
01:51:57,218 --> 01:51:59,737
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll definitely see that too, working over the middle

2436
01:51:59,737 --> 01:52:02,737
Speaker 2: of the field, like the anticipatory throws that the quarterback

2437
01:52:02,817 --> 01:52:04,657
Speaker 2: just knows he's gonna be there and he just can

2438
01:52:04,737 --> 01:52:07,817
Speaker 2: fit it into windows like that. Look, I don't hate

2439
01:52:07,817 --> 01:52:09,378
Speaker 2: the player, I know it kind of sounds like I'm

2440
01:52:09,418 --> 01:52:12,617
Speaker 2: down on him. I just I'm not in love where

2441
01:52:12,657 --> 01:52:14,817
Speaker 2: I would be pounding the table at fourth overall to

2442
01:52:14,978 --> 01:52:17,018
Speaker 2: draft him, I definitely.

2443
01:52:16,777 --> 01:52:18,338
Speaker 3: But if it's him at eight in a future first

2444
01:52:18,418 --> 01:52:20,098
Speaker 3: round pick, sure, Okay.

2445
01:52:19,978 --> 01:52:22,378
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't kill him for it. I wouldn't kill

2446
01:52:22,458 --> 01:52:24,378
Speaker 2: him a right. We gotta hurry, We got we gotta

2447
01:52:24,418 --> 01:52:27,697
Speaker 2: wrap here on drafts. Yeah, so I got two more

2448
01:52:27,737 --> 01:52:32,017
Speaker 2: guys or Kelvin Banks, Mason Graham. Yeah, one more guy,

2449
01:52:32,098 --> 01:52:35,537
Speaker 2: one more guy, Kelvin Banks. Ok. Yeah, So look I

2450
01:52:35,737 --> 01:52:38,378
Speaker 2: like Kelvin Banks. I think you can really move the

2451
01:52:38,458 --> 01:52:40,218
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. I think it's a strong dude. You

2452
01:52:40,258 --> 01:52:43,017
Speaker 2: can see that I do think he's got good footwork

2453
01:52:43,098 --> 01:52:45,937
Speaker 2: for a guy that size, pretty good in terms of

2454
01:52:46,058 --> 01:52:49,537
Speaker 2: technically sound footwork as well. I think the two issues

2455
01:52:49,577 --> 01:52:51,018
Speaker 2: that I saw with him on film is that he

2456
01:52:51,058 --> 01:52:55,418
Speaker 2: falls off blocks sometimes he has a trouble sustaining blocks,

2457
01:52:55,458 --> 01:52:59,178
Speaker 2: and maybe that speaks to some body control issues and

2458
01:52:59,258 --> 01:53:01,777
Speaker 2: some hand placement issues, which I guess you could probably

2459
01:53:01,857 --> 01:53:05,097
Speaker 2: work through. And then also just watching him against high

2460
01:53:05,178 --> 01:53:08,577
Speaker 2: level pass rushers, and this is probably the biggest one.

2461
01:53:09,418 --> 01:53:12,338
Speaker 2: He's right on the line of giving up the edge

2462
01:53:12,418 --> 01:53:14,897
Speaker 2: a lot of the time, right Like it's getting all

2463
01:53:15,058 --> 01:53:17,617
Speaker 2: out to that landmark to get the guy past the

2464
01:53:17,697 --> 01:53:20,777
Speaker 2: quarterback at ten yards. It can be a struggle for him.

2465
01:53:20,857 --> 01:53:24,017
Speaker 2: Sometimes he's flirting with it, right Like sometimes you see

2466
01:53:24,058 --> 01:53:28,177
Speaker 2: throughout the course of the game, it'll be like ten ten, nine, eight,

2467
01:53:28,537 --> 01:53:30,418
Speaker 2: eight and a half, you know what I mean, we're

2468
01:53:30,577 --> 01:53:33,458
Speaker 2: trying to go down. Uh. And that is why I

2469
01:53:33,537 --> 01:53:35,937
Speaker 2: think a lot of people have projected him to move inside,

2470
01:53:36,138 --> 01:53:40,217
Speaker 2: because he's kind of this like blocky build, really good power,

2471
01:53:41,098 --> 01:53:43,617
Speaker 2: good initial footwork that he's gonna be able to handle

2472
01:53:43,697 --> 01:53:46,697
Speaker 2: interior guys. I don't know if he's like a dancing

2473
01:53:46,777 --> 01:53:48,857
Speaker 2: bear to play on an Island, Like, I don't know

2474
01:53:48,897 --> 01:53:51,258
Speaker 2: if I'm kicking him outside in the NFL. I kind

2475
01:53:51,258 --> 01:53:53,537
Speaker 2: of have more concerns about him at tackle honestly than

2476
01:53:53,537 --> 01:53:54,418
Speaker 2: I do with Will Campbell.

2477
01:53:54,497 --> 01:53:58,617
Speaker 3: So he's the guy to me that if like you're

2478
01:53:58,937 --> 01:54:03,338
Speaker 3: playing for Josh Simmons, which is, yeah, we draft him,

2479
01:54:03,338 --> 01:54:05,857
Speaker 3: and because I think he's a right tackle in the NFL, yeah, certainly.

2480
01:54:06,098 --> 01:54:07,338
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would move to the right.

2481
01:54:07,338 --> 01:54:10,817
Speaker 3: Tackle before I move to guard. And he's one where

2482
01:54:10,978 --> 01:54:13,537
Speaker 3: like I draft him, play him at left. Maybe you

2483
01:54:13,537 --> 01:54:15,697
Speaker 3: don't sign Garrett Bowles, but you sign like a capable

2484
01:54:15,737 --> 01:54:18,218
Speaker 3: bridge guy. Worst case scenario, you kick him over the

2485
01:54:18,298 --> 01:54:19,537
Speaker 3: right side where I think he would be good, and

2486
01:54:19,537 --> 01:54:21,258
Speaker 3: then you go back in and do left tackle next year. Now,

2487
01:54:21,298 --> 01:54:24,258
Speaker 3: I know I said no half measures, so I'm not

2488
01:54:24,378 --> 01:54:27,338
Speaker 3: saying I'm like endorsing that plan. But yeah, like he

2489
01:54:27,497 --> 01:54:30,058
Speaker 3: he might be a good right tackle. I'll say that

2490
01:54:30,817 --> 01:54:34,578
Speaker 3: the big game for him, We'll see what happens. But

2491
01:54:35,138 --> 01:54:38,138
Speaker 3: so well, Texas is gonna play Georgia in the SC

2492
01:54:38,298 --> 01:54:41,018
Speaker 3: Championship this week. So Michael Williams, who you said you

2493
01:54:41,098 --> 01:54:42,778
Speaker 3: watched a little bit, Yeah, you want to get ten

2494
01:54:42,818 --> 01:54:44,738
Speaker 3: seconds on Michael Wims, I wasn't crazy about it.

2495
01:54:44,818 --> 01:54:47,097
Speaker 2: But also at the same time, like that Georgia's scheme

2496
01:54:47,178 --> 01:54:49,978
Speaker 2: is really weird for defensive ends. It's it's very bellichicking.

2497
01:54:50,178 --> 01:54:52,177
Speaker 3: Nobody gets a lot of sacks because everybody gets.

2498
01:54:51,978 --> 01:54:54,017
Speaker 2: A yeah, and they don't really let guys get up

2499
01:54:54,058 --> 01:54:56,337
Speaker 2: the field, and they play a lot of five techniques,

2500
01:54:56,378 --> 01:54:58,778
Speaker 2: so he's straight up over the tackle instead of outside

2501
01:54:58,818 --> 01:55:02,178
Speaker 2: the tackle, which is a disadvantageous rush angle and all like.

2502
01:55:02,258 --> 01:55:05,017
Speaker 2: There's also we did this with Trayvon Locker a couple

2503
01:55:05,058 --> 01:55:07,298
Speaker 2: of years ago. It's all the same stuff. So I

2504
01:55:07,378 --> 01:55:10,778
Speaker 2: didn't really see it with mikel Williams that I watched

2505
01:55:10,818 --> 01:55:11,897
Speaker 2: two games and really, did.

2506
01:55:11,897 --> 01:55:15,897
Speaker 3: You watch the Texas game? Uh? No, Okay, so that

2507
01:55:16,258 --> 01:55:19,137
Speaker 3: was the game that kind of sunk everybody on Calvin Banks.

2508
01:55:19,178 --> 01:55:21,218
Speaker 3: That was Michael Williams's best game of the year. Yeah,

2509
01:55:21,338 --> 01:55:25,977
Speaker 3: So rematch Saturday Texas Georgia. Big game for both guys.

2510
01:55:26,298 --> 01:55:29,538
Speaker 3: And then as we get further in this thing pass

2511
01:55:29,618 --> 01:55:33,057
Speaker 3: rushers up and down. Penn State has Abdul Carter, Georgia

2512
01:55:33,098 --> 01:55:37,338
Speaker 3: has Michael Williams Tennessee as James Pearce. I am blanking

2513
01:55:37,458 --> 01:55:39,578
Speaker 3: on the name of the guy from Indiana, but like

2514
01:55:40,098 --> 01:55:42,297
Speaker 3: he's not at the top of the draft because he's undersize.

2515
01:55:42,298 --> 01:55:45,418
Speaker 3: He's like six foot two sixty, But he led the

2516
01:55:45,458 --> 01:55:47,858
Speaker 3: Big ten and pressures this year and I wish I

2517
01:55:47,897 --> 01:55:50,538
Speaker 3: could remember his name. Obviously, Alabama has guys if they

2518
01:55:50,618 --> 01:55:54,137
Speaker 3: get there. Yeah, Kelvin Banks may be in the best

2519
01:55:54,178 --> 01:55:56,858
Speaker 3: position of any of the guys we've talked about because

2520
01:55:56,937 --> 01:55:59,458
Speaker 3: he's gonna have so many chances to prove what he

2521
01:55:59,538 --> 01:56:02,897
Speaker 3: can do against high level NFL caliber players. However long

2522
01:56:02,978 --> 01:56:05,578
Speaker 3: the Texas run lasts, I think it's gonna last. I

2523
01:56:05,618 --> 01:56:07,298
Speaker 3: don't know they're gonna win the national championship.

2524
01:56:07,338 --> 01:56:08,057
Speaker 2: I like Oregon.

2525
01:56:08,258 --> 01:56:10,418
Speaker 3: I still think Ohio State in spite of Ryan Day,

2526
01:56:10,418 --> 01:56:12,778
Speaker 3: as a chance because the Ohio State's another one. Jack

2527
01:56:12,818 --> 01:56:15,298
Speaker 3: Sawyer my guy, another team with two great edge guys.

2528
01:56:15,338 --> 01:56:18,017
Speaker 3: But Kelvin Bank's in a great position because he's gonna

2529
01:56:18,058 --> 01:56:19,778
Speaker 3: have so many chances here over the next month and

2530
01:56:19,818 --> 01:56:23,258
Speaker 3: a half to show up against other guys that are

2531
01:56:23,298 --> 01:56:25,017
Speaker 3: gonna go in the top ten to fifteen to twenty

2532
01:56:25,058 --> 01:56:25,738
Speaker 3: picks in this draft.

2533
01:56:25,818 --> 01:56:27,818
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're right tackle shots a good one. Like I

2534
01:56:28,138 --> 01:56:29,818
Speaker 2: look at him and I just worry a little bit

2535
01:56:29,978 --> 01:56:32,698
Speaker 2: about him protecting his edge, like against real twitched up

2536
01:56:32,818 --> 01:56:35,177
Speaker 2: edge rushers that are he's gonna see in the NFL

2537
01:56:35,298 --> 01:56:38,097
Speaker 2: every single week, you know, like looking just in division,

2538
01:56:38,178 --> 01:56:40,738
Speaker 2: like if he has to face Chop Robinson right like

2539
01:56:40,818 --> 01:56:43,897
Speaker 2: with Miami, you know, Chop Robinson, his first step is

2540
01:56:43,937 --> 01:56:46,058
Speaker 2: gonna eat him up a little bit. I think I

2541
01:56:46,818 --> 01:56:47,178
Speaker 2: guess what.

2542
01:56:47,218 --> 01:56:48,538
Speaker 3: I'm saying to you, though, on my point is like,

2543
01:56:48,578 --> 01:56:51,097
Speaker 3: don't don't be done evaluating Kelvin Banks.

2544
01:56:51,298 --> 01:56:55,498
Speaker 2: No, I'm not. We got some breaking news here. This

2545
01:56:55,658 --> 01:56:59,218
Speaker 2: is interesting Patriots breaking news. Yesh okay Uh.

2546
01:56:59,458 --> 01:57:02,937
Speaker 3: North Carolina is interviewing Bill Belichick for its head coaching opening.

2547
01:57:02,978 --> 01:57:06,057
Speaker 2: According to On three Sports, Oh so, uh, your boy

2548
01:57:06,138 --> 01:57:09,778
Speaker 2: Tony maz had had that scoop yesterday. Yeah, I think

2549
01:57:09,818 --> 01:57:10,338
Speaker 2: Maz had that.

2550
01:57:11,937 --> 01:57:14,618
Speaker 3: I didn't see Bill going to college, not thean l

2551
01:57:14,738 --> 01:57:15,458
Speaker 3: R didn't see it.

2552
01:57:15,698 --> 01:57:17,977
Speaker 2: That's sad. It's sad. I find it sad.

2553
01:57:18,338 --> 01:57:20,698
Speaker 3: This has to be some sort of leverage play by somebody.

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01:57:20,978 --> 01:57:25,658
Speaker 2: I find it. I find it legitimately sad that Bill Belichick,

2555
01:57:25,698 --> 01:57:28,258
Speaker 2: the greatest head coach of all time, is gonna not

2556
01:57:28,418 --> 01:57:32,698
Speaker 2: only sink himself from going to college, but to you

2557
01:57:32,858 --> 01:57:36,098
Speaker 2: n C like, no disrespect. Drake May but like you,

2558
01:57:36,258 --> 01:57:38,738
Speaker 2: and he's gonna say, like, after all you talked to

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01:57:38,897 --> 01:57:42,778
Speaker 2: Drake May, maybe Drake Drake May is the is literally

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01:57:42,897 --> 01:57:47,138
Speaker 2: the only good thing that's Taylor. It's like, Lauren, there

2561
01:57:47,178 --> 01:57:50,658
Speaker 2: he goes Drake Baylor. That's why I bet he's doing

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01:57:50,738 --> 01:57:54,298
Speaker 2: Lawrence Taylor and Lawrence Taylor are solid. We just solid there.

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01:57:54,498 --> 01:57:58,338
Speaker 2: Oh man, jeez, jeez, How the Mighty have fallen? Huh?

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01:57:58,738 --> 01:58:01,458
Speaker 2: All right, well, speaking of how the Mighty have fallen,

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01:58:01,698 --> 01:58:03,578
Speaker 2: it's December fifth, and we just did an hour on

2566
01:58:03,658 --> 01:58:05,977
Speaker 2: the draft already, so that's how the mighty have fallen?

2567
01:58:06,058 --> 01:58:09,338
Speaker 2: Here and now Bill Belichick's interviewing for a college coaching job,

2568
01:58:09,418 --> 01:58:12,017
Speaker 2: so we're what world are we living in right now?

2569
01:58:12,098 --> 01:58:14,778
Speaker 2: It's like this is an upside down world. But that's

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01:58:14,858 --> 01:58:17,298
Speaker 2: a That's my my initial take on the draft. I

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01:58:17,698 --> 01:58:20,818
Speaker 2: hope you enjoyed it. I did. It was good stuff again.

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01:58:20,937 --> 01:58:24,098
Speaker 2: I I'm gonna keep pounding the table for the next

2573
01:58:24,138 --> 01:58:26,618
Speaker 2: six months, so I'm gonna be a broken record. Don't

2574
01:58:27,338 --> 01:58:29,658
Speaker 2: waste this pick on a player that's not worth the pick.

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01:58:29,818 --> 01:58:32,378
Speaker 2: If you're picking fourth overall, you gotta pick a guy

2576
01:58:32,458 --> 01:58:35,818
Speaker 2: that's worth the fourth overall pick every year, not just

2577
01:58:35,897 --> 01:58:37,458
Speaker 2: this year. You don't want to be that team that

2578
01:58:37,538 --> 01:58:40,698
Speaker 2: gets stuck, you know. I always bring up Jacksonville and

2579
01:58:40,778 --> 01:58:42,778
Speaker 2: they might be in the same position again this year.

2580
01:58:43,458 --> 01:58:46,658
Speaker 2: Trayvon Walker like solid player for the Jaguars. He was

2581
01:58:46,738 --> 01:58:48,977
Speaker 2: not a number one overall pick in a draft, right

2582
01:58:49,058 --> 01:58:51,618
Speaker 2: like that, that was the position they were in in

2583
01:58:51,698 --> 01:58:53,858
Speaker 2: twenty two. I don't want the Patriots to be in

2584
01:58:53,937 --> 01:58:56,218
Speaker 2: that position again in twenty four. I guess we'll see

2585
01:58:56,258 --> 01:58:57,858
Speaker 2: what happens in the last four weeks of the season

2586
01:58:58,538 --> 01:59:00,298
Speaker 2: and if they can, you know where they finished in

2587
01:59:00,418 --> 01:59:03,458
Speaker 2: terms of the draft order. But that's it real quick.

2588
01:59:03,698 --> 01:59:07,578
Speaker 2: The Georgia like linebacker, hybrid guy, Like, what do you

2589
01:59:07,658 --> 01:59:08,418
Speaker 2: think about him?

2590
01:59:09,418 --> 01:59:12,618
Speaker 3: I'm not familiar enough with him. It's Jalen Walker.

2591
01:59:12,738 --> 01:59:14,738
Speaker 2: Yeah, weird player I really like.

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01:59:15,138 --> 01:59:17,218
Speaker 3: So the next two guys project, Like, there's so many

2593
01:59:17,258 --> 01:59:20,137
Speaker 3: linebackers in this draft now, like Giod Campbell, Harold Perkins,

2594
01:59:20,218 --> 01:59:22,738
Speaker 3: Danny Stutsman, Barrett Carter. I can't get a read on

2595
01:59:22,818 --> 01:59:24,858
Speaker 3: Walker yet. But he's another guy where it's like I'll

2596
01:59:24,897 --> 01:59:25,897
Speaker 3: be watching him very closely.

2597
01:59:26,258 --> 01:59:28,017
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I watched him a little bit too, as

2598
01:59:28,058 --> 01:59:30,897
Speaker 2: well as MIKEL Williams, and I have to admit, you

2599
01:59:30,937 --> 01:59:32,698
Speaker 2: know who the guy that I kind of saw in

2600
01:59:32,778 --> 01:59:36,778
Speaker 2: his game was who trod Mayo for Michael Williams. No

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01:59:37,018 --> 01:59:41,338
Speaker 2: oh for okay, off the line, on the line, off

2602
01:59:41,378 --> 01:59:45,738
Speaker 2: the line, insideline. Yeah, a little bit of that, A

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01:59:45,818 --> 01:59:48,897
Speaker 2: little bit, so that would be an interesting one, all right.

2604
01:59:49,418 --> 01:59:51,778
Speaker 2: Before we wrap it up here, attention Patriots fans, is

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01:59:51,858 --> 01:59:55,218
Speaker 2: the most nail biting action film of the season. Carry On,

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01:59:55,498 --> 02:00:00,458
Speaker 2: starring tarn Edgerton, Sophia Carson, and Jason Bateman, touches down

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02:00:00,818 --> 02:00:04,458
Speaker 2: on Netflix on December thirteenth, just in time for the holidays.

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02:00:04,578 --> 02:00:08,698
Speaker 2: Only liquids allowed, Blood sweat and tears. Catch carry On

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02:00:08,858 --> 02:00:11,698
Speaker 2: December thirteenth on Netflix. I thought they were gonna go

2610
02:00:11,818 --> 02:00:14,098
Speaker 2: with a clear eyes, full heart, can't lose there for

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02:00:14,178 --> 02:00:16,418
Speaker 2: a second, but blood sweat and tears is what we got.

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02:00:16,897 --> 02:00:19,578
Speaker 2: And one last time, easy to drink, easy to enjoy

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Speaker 2: I apologize to the people waiting on hold call us

2615
02:00:25,818 --> 02:00:27,698
Speaker 2: back next week, but we already went long, so we

2616
02:00:27,778 --> 02:00:30,298
Speaker 2: got to wrap this thing up. Get like lead it

2617
02:00:30,578 --> 02:00:32,498
Speaker 2: leave it to us to go long on the bye

2618
02:00:32,538 --> 02:00:34,858
Speaker 2: week like we can't even Hey, we can't even do

2619
02:00:34,978 --> 02:00:37,097
Speaker 2: a short show on the bye week. We'll be back

2620
02:00:37,138 --> 02:00:40,378
Speaker 2: next Thursday, same time, same place, and you guys can

2621
02:00:40,458 --> 02:00:42,977
Speaker 2: follow up on all this good draft stuff and we'll

2622
02:00:43,138 --> 02:00:45,298
Speaker 2: talk about the Arizona Cardinals and the trip out to

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02:00:45,338 --> 02:00:47,338
Speaker 2: the desert. So we'll see you guys then. Thanks for watching,

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