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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 2: Monday edition of The Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 2: kicks off right now.

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Speaker 1: Markets look a little rough this morning.

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Speaker 2: We'll discuss this is a time for a rate cut

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Speaker 2: at the FED. Trump certainly thinks so he's losing patience

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Speaker 2: with Jerome Powell. Obviously the biggest news story today, We

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Speaker 2: will dive into it shortly. Here is the passing of

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Speaker 2: Pope Francis. You got billions of Catholics around the world

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Speaker 2: very very much dialed into the legacy, the life and legacy.

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Speaker 1: Of Pope Francis. So we shall discuss some of that.

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Speaker 2: Jade Vance just met with him on Sunday, So it

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Speaker 2: does seem a bit sudden that all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: the Pope is no more. They're going to have to

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Speaker 2: elect a new one. The conclave's going to get together,

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Speaker 2: the smoke's gonna have to come out of the chimney,

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. So we shall discuss that the first

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Speaker 2: Jesuit pope, which is I think interesting, and the first

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Speaker 2: Latin American pope. Those are the two standouts, at least

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Speaker 2: in terms of his bio. We can talk about some

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Speaker 2: of his policies and some of his well, some of

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Speaker 2: what he stood for some of what he said. Coming

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Speaker 2: up here, We've got updates on immigration and deportation, specifically

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Speaker 2: Democrats still making kill Abrego Garcia one of their great

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Speaker 2: causes some when they are very concerned with returning to

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Speaker 2: the United States so that we can deport him again.

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Speaker 1: Just want to be clear.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone believes that that is not what

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Speaker 2: the end state of the legal system would be. But

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Speaker 2: we got to bring him back so we can deport

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Speaker 2: him the right way. They say, is he member of

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Speaker 2: MS thirteen, Yeah, but maybe they'll say he's not. Depends

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Speaker 2: on the day. So we have more on that for

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Speaker 2: all of you. Also, Clay, I thought this was interesting.

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Speaker 2: There's reporting the Wall Street Journal that the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: is considering different ways to encourage having kids a pro

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Speaker 2: I guess it's a pro natalism policy, having more babies

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Speaker 2: they want. Trump wants more babies, probably as many babies

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Speaker 1: So you know, certainly Elon's doing his best to help

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Speaker 1: out there. Elon, you could say he's a pioneer.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure everybody would agree with the way he's

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Speaker 2: doing it, but you could say he's a pioneer in

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Speaker 2: the natalism world. In the pro he's definitely pro baby making.

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Speaker 2: That part of it we could all agree on. But Clay,

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this this morning. I think nationwide

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Speaker 2: about twenty percent. Oh wait, sorry, before we get into that,

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Speaker 2: and they're going after Pete hegseeth again. They really want

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Speaker 2: they really want that sec def scalp the media. It's

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Speaker 2: not going to happen. It's a lot of retread of

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Speaker 2: old stories and everything else.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to get it. But you can tell

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Speaker 1: they're really turning up the.

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Speaker 2: Heat on him more than anyone else the administration, which

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Speaker 2: I think for a lot of us indicates well, that

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Speaker 2: means we definitely want him to stay. That means he's

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Speaker 2: shaking things up in a way that makes bad people uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: But okay, now the pope. Let's get into Clay.

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Speaker 2: What are you like, you're a Methodist or something a

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Speaker 2: Southern Baptist? What are you Southern Baptist? So yeah, I

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Speaker 2: was not a pope officionado growing up. Didn't know a

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Speaker 2: lot about the pope. But you'll remember a couple of

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Speaker 2: the Vatican, and we got to experience what it is like,

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Speaker 2: the pomp, the circumstance, the majesty that surrounds everything having

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Speaker 2: raising the Catholic Church, and don't have a ton of

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Speaker 3: The impact and the power, like I said, of the Vatican,

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Speaker 3: and know and follow as a news story the selection

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Speaker 3: conclaves and everything else that's associated with it. You are

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Speaker 3: the expert, however, on the selection of the next pope,

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Speaker 3: as it pertains, that's vigenous. The expert of visions may

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna there's a lot of you listening who

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Speaker 2: know a lot more about about this pope and about

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Speaker 2: I did. I went to Jesuit school, and he was

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Speaker 2: As I said, he's Argentine or I never know if

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Speaker 2: it's Argentine or Argentinian, but we'll just go with Argentinian.

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Speaker 2: He's Argentinian by birth. The the the interesting things about

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Speaker 2: a lot of people, if you're if you're a practicing Catholic,

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Speaker 2: the Pope is obviously the head of the church, very important,

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Speaker 2: the Vicar of Christ here on earth, Lord's Pontiff, all

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Speaker 2: that stuff. But there's also bigger issues that he was

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Speaker 2: you listening are of different Protestant than I'd say, what

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Speaker 2: would say it's probably more like thirty percent of our

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Speaker 2: So you know.

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Speaker 1: You're going to have more.

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Speaker 2: You're going to have more people who are Christian of

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Speaker 2: bigger chunk I think would be Protestant. But anyway, Clay,

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Speaker 2: I mean, here's where it came down for a lot

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Speaker 2: and still was ardently pro life, did not have any

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Speaker 2: some areas where he was a traditionalist. The problem is

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Speaker 2: somebody who spoke a lot about about social justice but

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Speaker 2: also in the context of being effectively open borders, and

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Speaker 2: I just I don't agree with that. Now, he wasn't

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Speaker 2: speaking ex cathedra on those issues, which means it's not

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Speaker 2: considered church doctrine. It's not from God through the pope

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Speaker 2: Right now, as people have realized a lot of the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there is a increasing search for meaning,

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Speaker 3: I just finished the first draft of the book that

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Speaker 3: why the Republican Party is having such success with young men.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of young men and increasingly young

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Speaker 3: that is untrue. That is, and again, anytime we talk

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Speaker 3: about this, people are because they don't have this particular lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: But I'll just say it. I mean, you just had

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Speaker 3: The best possible formation for raising children is husband and wife,

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Speaker 3: nuclear family, and one of those individuals is able to

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Speaker 3: be the primary caregiver. That is a reason that has

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Speaker 3: endured for thousands and thousands of years. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: that some of you out there can't both have fabulous jobs,

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Speaker 3: writing this section of my book, but to women in particular.

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Speaker 3: If you went back in time Buck to the nineteen

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Speaker 3: sixties and you told a single young man, hey, what's

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Speaker 3: for men. That is women's empowerment. And this is going

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Speaker 3: to get people riled up too, But to a large extent,

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Speaker 3: women's empowerment I think has actually given men everything they wanted.

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Speaker 3: And think about it for a minute. Now, for young men,

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Speaker 3: you have never had to work less in order to

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Speaker 3: and Buck, you just went through it. Now you're married.

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Speaker 3: But I think a lot of women and men are

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Speaker 3: It's fine to be in some way welcoming of difference,

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Speaker 2: I think one thing that is true, irrespective of time

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Speaker 2: I think really a defining characteristic of culture for young

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Speaker 2: that they can actually impact or effect, which is a

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Speaker 2: very important This is where you know this is Pope

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Speaker 2: is very into social justice. I think social justice for

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Speaker 2: a lot of people, and the cause is including things

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Speaker 2: like climate change that go under that clay. Is often

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Speaker 2: an easy way out for people because saying that you

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Speaker 2: you know, you want equal pay, or saying that you

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Speaker 2: stand for climate change or Ukraine or the or you know,

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Speaker 2: Fouchi or whatever it is, whatever your new quasi religion

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Speaker 2: There are two losses that a lot of people are

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Speaker 2: I'm working on it. I'm working on it. I bring

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Speaker 3: suggests that they may well restrict Trump's ability to be

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Speaker 3: able to rapidly deport people, which means these millions of

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Speaker 3: illegals are essentially here to stay.

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Speaker 2: We just come back to this philosophical this philosophical reckoning

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Speaker 2: that I think a lot of Americans have had. You

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Speaker 2: cannot look at us and say the rule of law,

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Speaker 2: the constitution, due process only matters to prevent people from

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Speaker 2: being told to leave. Does not matter despite all of

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Speaker 2: the laws when it comes to they are arriving and

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Speaker 2: they are staying in violation of laws. Right, this can't

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Speaker 2: be a one way street situation, or else we don't

447
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Speaker 2: really have a country anymore. And I think that this

448
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: is also where this should be thought of this is

449
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Speaker 2: an emergency. The number of illegals who have come into

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Speaker 2: the country, and particularly those who have come in under Biden.

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Speaker 2: This is a national emergency because we have seen the

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Speaker 2: serial violations of our sovereignty to such a degree that

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Speaker 2: it has eroded faith in.

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Speaker 1: The rule of law.

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Speaker 2: This is an enormous burden on the taxpayer, an enormous

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Speaker 2: burden on our social and political fabric. I mean, do

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Speaker 2: they speak English? Are they American? What makes them Americans?

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Speaker 2: Some of them have been here for a year or two. Well,

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Speaker 2: some people study abroad. If I study abroad in Australia,

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Speaker 2: am I in Ausie all of a sudden? By the way,

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Speaker 2: at least there I would speak the language. What if

462
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Speaker 2: I studied abroad in Tokyo and said, you know what, guys,

463
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Speaker 2: I'm as Japanese as all.

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Speaker 1: Of you, I'd be laughed at. Yes.

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Speaker 2: But yet in this country, the Democrat Party has decided

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Speaker 2: that America is an idea. Now America is actually people.

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Speaker 2: It is three hundred and forty million people who are

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Speaker 2: supposed to be here who live in a place known

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Speaker 2: as America.

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Speaker 1: But it is actually us. It's not just a land mass.

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Speaker 2: This is not just a real estate transaction that we're discussing,

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Speaker 2: and Clay, I think that's where the reckoning comes from.

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Speaker 2: That's where people are just saying, hold on, honestly. Second,

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Speaker 2: so are we supposed to have multiple tiers, multiple levels

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Speaker 2: of review and jury trial and more review for every

476
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Speaker 2: person who's come here illegally the whole system. They've overwhelmed

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Speaker 2: the system. They have flooded the system intentionally. And now

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Speaker 2: you're going to say, well, the system requires extra Why

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Speaker 2: I know the system requires This is an emergency. People

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Speaker 2: have to be told to go home and made to

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Speaker 2: go home. This is not their home, and that is

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Speaker 2: what the real battle is. The Garcia Fellow is the

483
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Speaker 2: front facing aspect of this, but make no mistake, they

484
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Speaker 2: are desperately trying to stop Trump from sending out people

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Speaker 2: who were illegally here.

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Speaker 3: And there's lots of numbers floating around. We should probably

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Speaker 3: get Stephen Miller on again because he's the expert on

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Speaker 3: this to be able to just give us the facts.

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Speaker 3: But you'll see a lot of things on social media

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Speaker 3: about how many people were deported and deporters in chief

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Speaker 3: a lot of times buck they were counting I was

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Speaker 3: diving into this, they were counting people who were turned

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Speaker 3: away at the border.

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Speaker 1: As b as deportations. Yes, I know they didn't.

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Speaker 2: They started that under Obama to create the impression that

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Speaker 2: he was the deporter in chief, so that he would

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Speaker 2: have more political capital to try to swindle Republicans with

498
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Speaker 2: the Gang of Eight bill, Remember the Senate Gang of

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Speaker 2: eight into an amnesty. It was oh, look Obama's serious

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Speaker 2: about border security. Look at the numbers. The numbers were

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Speaker 2: all fudged. The numbers were fake.

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Speaker 1: It was a joke.

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Speaker 3: In other words, it's important for you guys to think

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Speaker 3: about the difference between people here that are taken internally

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Speaker 3: and flown out and people who are stopped at the border.

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Speaker 3: Many of those numbers out there, they're counting people stopped

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Speaker 3: at the border as being deported, which is not really

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Speaker 3: the same thing.

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Speaker 2: It's not it's really a turnarway. And beyond that, clay

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Speaker 2: a lot of the people who are stopped at the

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Speaker 2: border and deported, you know what happens. They just go

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Speaker 2: west or they go east and they cross again. Right,

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Speaker 2: So people think, oh, problem solved. Look at all these

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Speaker 2: not problems solved. The problem getting better looking at these numbers. No,

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Speaker 2: they just if you're turned right back around. A lot

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Speaker 2: of these people have paid the paid the cartel coyotes,

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Speaker 2: they've done the human trafficking. You know, they've been a

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Speaker 2: part of that human trafficking pipeline. And they're just gonna

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Speaker 2: find another place to try to cross, and the next

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Speaker 2: time they'll probably get through.

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Speaker 3: Here's a question for you. Well, I'll get your answer

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Speaker 3: on the flip side. What do you think the actual

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Speaker 3: number of illegals in the country as we are speaking

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Speaker 3: today is? I want to get your no. I'm curious

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Speaker 3: what your number would be. I've got one that I've

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Speaker 3: you guys also jot down on a piece of paper

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Speaker 2: I want to jump into where the Democrats are, where

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Speaker 2: their leadership fit stands. All of that coming up here,

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Speaker 2: But first is to deal with this. There's a story

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Speaker 2: out there NPR reporting that there is already a process

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Speaker 2: underway to replace Pete hex as Secretary of Defense. I'm

563
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Speaker 2: not buying it. I don't believe it. I don't think

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Speaker 2: that's happening. Could be wrong, but I don't.

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Speaker 1: I would.

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Speaker 2: I would place a considerable wager that Pete's going to

567
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Speaker 2: be just fine with this, especially based on what these

568
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Speaker 2: the the transgressions.

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Speaker 1: That are listed in these reports.

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Speaker 2: But I will say this, Clay, there there should be

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Speaker 2: a recognition I think there is with this White House

572
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Speaker 2: that if you give the media what they want on anything,

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Speaker 2: and they clearly really want this they've you've pointed out.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you full credit for this observation. I agree

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Speaker 2: with it that because I thought RFK Junior would get

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Speaker 2: far more because remember it's not just that he you

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Speaker 2: know that he's a guy who goes against the system

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Speaker 2: and Fouci and all this stuff, but he's also an

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Speaker 2: apostate from the Democrat Party, right, He's a He's a

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Speaker 2: refugee from liberalism at least on some issues, at least

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Speaker 2: as it pertains to health. He's not part of their system.

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Speaker 2: They have focused eighty percent of their cabinet ire on

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Speaker 2: Pete hag Seth All along.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and by the way, it's not just RFK Junior.

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Speaker 3: Tulsea Gabbert did the same thing. I mean, she ran

586
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Speaker 3: for president as a Democrat in twenty twenty. Both of

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Speaker 3: them got confirmed. And I would say, you know, we're

588
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Speaker 3: coming up on one hundred days of the Trump presidency.

589
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Speaker 3: Compared to the amount of attacks that have come down

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Speaker 3: on Pete Hegseeth, it's it's pretty extraordinary how much the

591
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Speaker 3: fire has been focused on him. And I think one

592
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Speaker 3: of the reasons is because he wasn't in the cool

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Speaker 3: kids club in any way, because he was not a

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Speaker 3: long time Pentagon official. He didn't work his way up

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Speaker 3: that way. And I think there have been a lot

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Speaker 3: of people that were unhappy that Trump picked a proverbial outsider,

597
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Speaker 3: and they really lined up against him in a way

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Speaker 3: that frankly wasn't reflected in any other cabinet member. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he only got in because JD. Vans broke the tie

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Speaker 3: fifty to fifty. There were three Republicans who decided to

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Speaker 3: vote against him, and nearly it came down to North

602
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Speaker 3: Carolina senator whether or not he was going to get

603
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Speaker 3: confirmed or not. And they haven't really relented on him since.

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Speaker 3: Every story that has been written about him in The

605
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Speaker 3: New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, the usual suspects,

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Speaker 3: they've all been negative. Now one single positive story's been written.

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Speaker 3: I'll get you one that's actually hugely positive. The amount

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Speaker 3: of people that want to serve in our armed forces

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Speaker 3: since Pete Hegseth became Defense Secretary has skyrocketed. They may

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Speaker 3: not like the fact that he's out working out with

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Speaker 3: guys all over the world that are in our armed forces,

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Speaker 3: but I think having a youthful Defense secretary actually connects

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Speaker 3: with a lot of eighteen to twenty four year old.

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Speaker 1: Dudes out there.

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Speaker 3: I think saying hey, we're going to hire people and

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Speaker 3: we want you to kick the bad guys ass, I

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Speaker 3: think that's a lot more appealing than find your gender

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Speaker 3: identity in the Marines, right. I mean, I think most

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Speaker 3: of the young guys and gals that they are hiring them,

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Speaker 3: want to serve our country, want to kick ass.

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Speaker 1: That's what their goal is.

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Speaker 2: And as is so often the case when it comes

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Speaker 2: to opposition to the Trump administration, play success for Secretary

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Speaker 2: of Defense Hegseth. While good for the country, democrats view

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Speaker 2: it as bad for them. And so if he were

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Speaker 2: able to continue on this pathway to your point about

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Speaker 2: making the military much more like the perception that the

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Speaker 2: military was putting out. Do you remember remember some of

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Speaker 2: the commercials, yes for the Marines when you were growing up,

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Speaker 2: and I remember seeing this and that, you know, they

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Speaker 2: had the they had the marine dress dress uniform on

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Speaker 2: and the sword, and you're like, this is badass. I

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Speaker 2: think I might want to be a marine, right, some

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Speaker 2: of the army ads that you would see.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to be a fighter pilot after Top Gun

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Speaker 3: Buck they leaned in. I think they've done a good

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Speaker 3: job with Top Gun Maverick. But when I was five

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Speaker 3: or six and Top Gun the original came out, how

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Speaker 3: could you watch that movie as a kid and not

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Speaker 3: want to be a jet fighter pilot?

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Speaker 2: Well, you definitely have the humility to be a fighter pilot.

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Speaker 2: Where you go, that's right, that's right. You know, you

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Speaker 2: know how you know who a fighter pilot is right

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Speaker 2: when he walks in the room, he'll tell you. So

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Speaker 2: I got I got to father in law jokes, I

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Speaker 2: got to you know.

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Speaker 3: Did you see did you see the this is funny?

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Speaker 3: Did you see the story that went viral where the

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Speaker 3: pilot uh post saw an Instagram influencer and he just

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Speaker 3: it down with her and wrote like Ben or whatever

655
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: his name was, no phone number, no nothing else, And

656
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 3: it just rocked the Instagram influencers world. She's like, some

657
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: random pilot just dropped this note on my you know,

658
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Speaker 3: like they were at like a restaurant or bar in

659
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Speaker 3: the airport, and it went megaviral. Millions of people saw

660
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 3: it and everybody was like, that's a pilot life. You know,

661
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: like these guys just have unbelievable self confidence. They just

662
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 3: roll right up to gorgeous girls, drop a note, don't

663
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Speaker 3: even give their phone number, just keep walking. Anyway, this

664
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Speaker 3: thing went megaviral and I think ties in with that.

665
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Speaker 3: I don't think they like, By the way, would you

666
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Speaker 3: want an unconfident person piloting and a fighter jet.

667
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Speaker 1: Would you want.

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Speaker 3: Somebody who's like, ah, I think I'm okay at it?

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Speaker 3: Or do you want somebody who's like, hey, just get

670
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Speaker 3: in kickback, I got you. I want somebody who's pretty

671
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Speaker 3: confident about flying a jet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, the person you want driving the plane, flying the

674
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: plane when you're in it is a person who wants

675
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Speaker 2: to be in that seat when stuff gets tough, right,

676
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Speaker 2: that's whatever you want. The person who goes by the way,

677
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Speaker 2: I don't want a surgeon who's like, I think I'm

678
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: pretty good. You know, sometimes I get the wrong ventricle

679
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: crossed up on the hearts. No, I want somebody who's like,

680
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Speaker 2: I am God's gift to surgery.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I got your brother, don't worry. That's what I

682
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Speaker 1: want to kid.

683
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Speaker 2: But I see this from content on like TikTok and Instagram.

684
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: There's these these different characteristics of medical specialties, and you know,

685
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: cardiac and brain surgeons in particular, just like Hi, I'm God,

686
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Speaker 2: nice to meet you.

687
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Speaker 1: That's whatever.

688
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Speaker 3: And you know what a lot of those guys also

689
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Speaker 3: learn how to be pilots because I think they have

690
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Speaker 3: like that idea that they are uniquely skilled and it

691
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: probably is the same mindset that translates to flying a

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Speaker 3: plane that operating on a heart would would require.

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Speaker 1: I think many respects.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, our friend Pete Hegseth also does not lack

695
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: for confidence, and he is the Secretary of Defense right

696
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: now and he has according to Caroline Levitt, this has

697
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Speaker 2: cut one fully standing behind Pete Hegseth at this point.

698
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Speaker 1: Just play this for everybody.

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Speaker 7: The President stands strongly behind Secretary Hegseth, who is doing

700
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Speaker 7: a phenomenal job leading the Pentagon.

701
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Speaker 1: And this is what happens when the.

702
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Speaker 7: Entire Pentagon is working against you and working against the

703
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 7: monumental change that you are trying to implement. Secretary Heigswifth

704
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Speaker 7: Hegseth was nominated for this position because he is standing

705
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Speaker 7: up for the war fighter, the men and women in

706
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Speaker 7: uniform who are putting their lives on the line to

707
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Speaker 7: protect our country and our homeland. And unfortunately, there have

708
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 7: been people at that building who don't like the change

709
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 7: the Secretary is trying to bring. So they are leaking

710
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 7: and they are lying to the mainstream media. We've seen

711
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 7: this game played before. The secretary is doing a tremendous

712
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Speaker 7: job and the president stands strongly behind him.

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Speaker 2: I don't see that swerving, changing walk back. I don't

714
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: think they're gonna put Caroline out there. First of all,

715
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: she's probably talked to Trump about this just a few

716
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: minutes before making that statement, And look at it. It is

717
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: the pleasure of the president, right, So you're you gotta

718
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: be in the mind of the man to know. But

719
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: we know Trump pretty well and I don't think he

720
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: sees anything here that requires The only thing that would

721
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: get Pete canned would be disloyalty to the mission or

722
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: disloyalty to Trump. To me, that's the you know, if

723
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: he did either of those things, and by the way,

724
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: then we would say, yeah, no, he's got to go.

725
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened, but neither of those things.

726
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: Pete would solve his own arm before either of those

727
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 2: things happened.

728
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 3: I also think Trump learned a lesson in the first

729
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: term on many different levels, but one of them was

730
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: it doesn't end if he said, Okay, Pete, hegseth, I'm

731
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: gonna remove him. We're going to have a new defense secretary.

732
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: It's not like the media and the people who are

733
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: attacked him would suddenly say, Okay, you know, we're comfortable.

734
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: The analogy I would make is, and I've been making.

735
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 3: I've been on this for years. You can never change

736
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: a team name because nobody ever says, once you change

737
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: that team name, hey you know what we're done now.

738
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 3: So the Redskins name changes, the Indians name changes, They're

739
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: not satisfied. They don't say, okay, well this is good,

740
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: we're back to normal now. They say the Kansas City

741
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: Chiefs have to go, the Atlanta Berets have to go.

742
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: They always need a new target. So if you are Trump,

743
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: my advice to him would be, if you like the

744
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: people you picked, which it seems he did and does,

745
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: why in the world would you let people who don't

746
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: have your best interest at heart in any way encourage

747
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Speaker 3: you to change the choices that you have made so far.

748
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: And I think he learned that. I think he had

749
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: a little bit of Hey, you know, I'll play kate

750
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 3: my critics. Oh, I'll go ahead and I'll make a

751
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: shift here. If heg Seth's gone, who's next man up?

752
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 3: It's either RFK Junior or it's Tulsi. They come with

753
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: them guns blazing every day. Well, that's exactly right.

754
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: He knows.

755
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: Trump knows all too well that if he were to

756
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: replace his secretary of Defense this early, and especially a

757
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: secretary of Defense who has been so closely associated with

758
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: loyalty to the president and his mission, the headline of

759
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: the New York Times is not Donald Trump in an

760
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: about face and a moment of reasonableness and government, you know,

761
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: government acumen or efficiency, decided to make a decision that

762
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 2: we all agree with. Perhaps we'll see a new No, it's,

763
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: you know, showing what disorder there is in the Trump administration.

764
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: Trump has to toss out a secretary of defense.

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Speaker 1: This is just the beginning. There's so many more who

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00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: need to go. You know.

767
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Speaker 2: It's it just lights their fire man, it just turns.

768
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Speaker 2: It just makes them feel like they got one. And

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Speaker 2: that's the.

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Speaker 1: This is the lesson that I'll say.

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Speaker 2: Also, a lot of people learn during the whole cancelation

772
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: era of oh if I apologize or if I bend

773
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: the knee, oh no, you've ben the need apology. Guys,

774
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 2: then you're fired and you're never allowed to work again.

775
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: In your industry. There is no attempt at goodwill or reasonableness.

776
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: You can't negotiate with these people. This is why my

777
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 2: lesson that I've taken from this, and sometimes Buck gets

778
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: drawn into it, is you don't like something that I

779
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: did or said, I'm gonna double or triple down on

780
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,479
Speaker 2: what I did or said that you don't like, because

781
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 2: I think that's the only way you can handle these people.

782
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: If they think that they can get you to step

783
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: back or not continue to say exactly what you think,

784
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: they will take advantage of you.

785
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: They're not good actors. They're not reasonable people. Reasonable people

786
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 3: you come together and you say, Okay, you might not

787
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 3: agree with this, like, let's have a conversation.

788
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Speaker 1: This is what most of America is like.

789
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: But the people trying to cancel you, the people who

790
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: want hag Seth gone, they are not the people out

791
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: there that are behaving in good faith. And I think

792
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: Trump had to learn that because I think there's a

793
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: part of Trump and I bet you would sign off

794
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 3: on this two Buck that actually does want to be liked.

795
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 3: You know, he's trying to get people to like him more.

796
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: And I think in his first term he thought, oh,

797
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: maybe they have a point. Maybe if I try to

798
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 3: work with them, they will be more, they'll be fairer.

799
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: And then they try to get you know, they try

800
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Speaker 3: to put in prison for the rest of the life

801
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 3: guy to kill him. And it's over right, like this

802
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: attempt to in some way make them happy.

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Speaker 1: He's done with it.

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00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that this is one of the

805
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: major lessons from the first administration for Trump, which was

806
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not talking about some of the lower

807
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: level people that had to get fired like Scaramuci and

808
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: some of this stuff, but also those are people who

809
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: just happen to be around and they were staffing up fast.

810
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: These picks that Trump has put in place, this is

811
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: his team, he vetted. He knows these people individually, he

812
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: knows what they're trying to accomplish. And so this isn't oh,

813
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: we just needed to grab somebody and someone else said

814
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: this guy was good. This is I'm going to feed

815
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: one of my people to the angry mob and he's

816
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: not gonna do it, I'm telling you, and it's not

817
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 2: going to happen. This is I think this is fake

818
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: news from NPR, which shouldn't be getting any of our money.

819
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Speaker 2: By the way, I think we should tee off on

820
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: this even more than we do. The government doesn't pay us.

821
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Speaker 2: We got the biggest radio show in the country. The

822
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Speaker 2: Jesse Kelly, all the people that are a part of

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Speaker 2: our premier network. And somehow we're meeting you, Me and

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Speaker 2: as a new leader of the Democrat Party. Clay is

870
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Speaker 2: both somewhat dismissive of this prospect, but I think also

871
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: enthusiastic if it were to happen, because he thinks AOC

872
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: is going to be easy for our to handle and

873
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Speaker 2: deal with. But let's let's get in sience. First of all,

874
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 2: there's clearly an issue that the Democrats have right now,

875
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 2: as all the polling shows. It's not just that Trump

876
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: is getting it done and so far it's been a

877
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: really solid administration. It is that the Democrats are keep

878
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: using the word in disarray. The Democrats are in a

879
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: rough spot. Play twenty three.

880
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Speaker 6: I'll think the message the Cournchlan Democratic Party is a

881
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 6: good beasts. The problem we've got is that we have

882
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 6: to depend upon the media to deliver it. If we

883
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 6: have the Washington Post, for instance, giving to this want

884
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 6: to be dictated, and we've got other media entities that

885
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 6: seem to rather push a narrative that we're bringing eyes

886
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 6: to the newspapers or to their television sets and not

887
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 6: really give a fear sharing or reporting to what we're doing.

888
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: Now, the media component of this.

889
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: First of all, the fact that he's saying the media

890
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 3: is not rigged enough in our favor anymore basically is accurate,

891
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 3: but also really funny that he is making that case.

892
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: But so this is where I want to weigh on

893
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: the AOC point of things. The legacy media. He's saying, oh,

894
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: the media is not in on no what he's picking

895
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: up on what Jim clyburn is referring to. He's seeing

896
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: a shift, but he's misdiagnosing the shift. It's not that

897
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: the media isn't as on the Democrat team. It's that

898
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: the legacy what we used to call the mainstream media,

899
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 2: you know, the Democrat aligned corporate media, the three letter

900
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: non Fox networks, the biggest newspapers in the country, the

901
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: Sunday talk shows, right, they all no longer have the

902
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: ability to influence the conversation the way they used to,

903
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: even on the Republican side, but in general, and certainly

904
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: on the Democrats side, they don't set the agenda for

905
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: the nation the way that things used to be. So

906
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 2: what he's feeling or he's saying, is, oh, they're not

907
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: as on our side. It's no, They're just not as

908
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: effective as they used to be. They don't matter as

909
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: much as they used to. So this is where I

910
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: think AOC comes in. I understand people are gonna say

911
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: that AOC is an idiot communist and that she will

912
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: be a mess for the Democrats, and I don't disagree

913
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 2: with some of that assessment, but she can just change

914
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: what she has said in the past. I think that

915
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: we're in an era now where people are no longer

916
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: really tied to what they said yesterday in nevermind what

917
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: they said a few years ago. Politically and Clay, she

918
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 2: has online what do they say? What do the kids say?

919
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 5: Now?

920
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: Riz, which is short I believe for charisma. She's got

921
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: the RIZ, She's got aura. She is able to command

922
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: massive attention and interest in the online ecosystem, which is

923
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: now a much bigger part of the media apparatus than

924
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Speaker 2: ever before. That is my pitch to you for why

925
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Speaker 2: they change what she says. They make her seem slightly

926
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Speaker 2: less insane. She's, you know, looks good on camera. She's

927
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: a Latin female boom or Latin American female boom.

928
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Speaker 3: I think her problem is Democrats are not going to

929
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: go with a woman because they saw what happened to Hillary,

930
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: they saw what happened to Kamala. I think they have

931
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: gotten burned twice by women. Who did they win with

932
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 3: Joe Biden. This old white guy I think they will

933
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 3: find looking ahead to twenty eight, AOC as a vice

934
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 3: presidential nominee I think could make sense. I think they

935
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: will find, interestingly enough, an old white guy or a

936
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Speaker 3: Barack Obama like young male, young ish. Right, we're talking

937
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: about politic where if you're forty five, this is this

938
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 3: is the more the westmore more theory.

939
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Speaker 2: To me, those are the two. It's you know that either.

940
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Speaker 2: So to me that the decision the Democrats are making,

941
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Speaker 2: Clay is are they going to build? And remember, this

942
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: is going to be a process. Right, So to what

943
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: you're saying about with with AOC, it doesn't even have

944
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Speaker 2: to just be who's the president of four years Clay.

945
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Speaker 2: I mean, who's going to be the primary voice of

946
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Speaker 2: the Democrats going into the midterms, right, who's the leader

947
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: now or soon?

948
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Speaker 3: Here's the other thing. Remember that the DNC basically said, Bernie,

949
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 3: you're not going to be the guy. Bernie is now

950
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: trying to deputize AOC as the next generation leader. I

951
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: think we know one hundred year old man thing is

952
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 3: not actually a good look in politics. We did learn

953
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: that from Biden. You can be you can in fact

954
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: be too old for this job. I think the Democrat

955
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 3: party elites do not like AOC, and so I think

956
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: they will line up in some way eventually, much like

957
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: they suddenly the Party.

958
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: Of Democracy actually just picks people. Right.

959
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 3: Obama got past Hillary even though she had all the

960
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: advantages in eight But he's the exception. Most of the time,

961
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 3: they say, hey, you're the guy or you're the gal,

962
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: and Democracy be damned. James Cliburn, who you just played.

963
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 3: Remember Obama came out, sorry, Biden came in, I believe,

964
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 3: fifth in Iowa, fourth in New Hampshire, second in Nevada.

965
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 3: And then suddenly James Clyburn said it's Biden because everybody

966
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 3: was afraid it was otherwise going to be Bernie. It

967
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: doesn't get talked about enough, but Bernie probably would have

968
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: been the pick of the Democrat Party but for the

969
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: rigging in sixteen and the choice that he's too radical

970
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 3: in twenty they okay, so let me let me just

971
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 3: throw this out there, though I think put us Oude

972
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: the age going at the last few Democrats, last few

973
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 3: Democrat cycles, last few elections. Bernie was a progressive, really

974
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 3: a socialist maybe a communist, who ran as such, and

975
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: that was the problem for him. What Democrats want is

976
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 3: they want Obama. They want a socialist who pretends at

977
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 3: election time to be more reasonable on economics or more

978
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 3: centrists on these different things. If AOC pivots and says,

979
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: you know, oh it is my progressive youth, doesn't have

980
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: to say that.

981
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: But no, that will be the perception. Oh she was

982
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: such a progressive, but now she's moving toward the center.

983
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 2: That to me is the way that the Democrats get

984
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: because the Democrats for them to win a national election.

985
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: Look at it.

986
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: The Joe Biden. Oh he's good old Biden. He's a centrist,

987
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 2: he's a monor. You can trust him. And then you

988
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: got a communication from the White House saying we need

989
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: to protect trans surgery for eight year olds or ten

990
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 2: year olds. I mean he was insane. Okay, you got

991
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: far left policy out of a Biden White House. But

992
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: Biden was the facade to fool people. The trojan horse AOC,

993
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: if she positions properly, in my mind, can be the

994
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 2: same thing. The progressives know that she's actually a kami.

995
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: But she'll present, she'll go on with Stefanopalopolis and she'll

996
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: say that, oh no, I believe in a free market

997
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 2: economy too, and you know, the usual headfake. That's how

998
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: I see it playing out.

999
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: I got off the AOC bus. You may remember this

1000
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: because you were in New York at the time. Do

1001
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: you remember when she opposed Amazon's new headquarters in Queen's

1002
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 3: I think it was in.

1003
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: On Island City, A big headquarters are. Yeah. I have

1004
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: family that have a that lived there, so I know

1005
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: all about it.

1006
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 3: And when she opposed it, she didn't even understand the

1007
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 3: concept of how tax rebates worked. She thought that taxpayers

1008
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 3: were giving billions of dollars in cash to Amazon, and she.

1009
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 1: Torpedoed that entire deal. Am I remembering correctly?

1010
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 3: They were going to build a big headquarters in New

1011
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 3: York City and in DC, and then she said no,

1012
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 3: and they basically just are building I believe in northern

1013
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 3: Virginia a big Amazon on East coast headquarters to go

1014
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: along with their West Coast headquarters. She destroyed all that.

1015
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 3: So my concern as I were looking at this is

1016
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 3: Hillary got beaten. But Hillary's not a moron. Kamala I

1017
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 3: think was a moron in that Kamala could not elucidate

1018
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 3: in an intelligent way what she actually supported because she

1019
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: just tripped all over herself. I think AOC is closer

1020
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 3: to Kamala than she is to Hillary.

1021
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: And so is.

1022
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 2: Biden a moron? Yes, okay, he was president. He was president.

1023
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 3: He's an old white guy, and the data reflected that

1024
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 3: there were enough old white people who didn't see him

1025
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: as a threat. This is something you got right in

1026
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 3: the Midwest that I think will see AOC as more

1027
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 3: of a threat, much like they saw Kamala as more

1028
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 3: of a threat to their overall lifestyle.

1029
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: In order to.

1030
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: Get a Communist in the White House, you have to

1031
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: hide him. They're able to hide Biden because I don't

1032
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 3: think Biden knew what he believed in anymore. But he

1033
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 3: had that moderate history, and they basically just kind of

1034
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 3: hit him. They put him in the basement, and they

1035
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: ran him as generic old white guy candidate. I don't

1036
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 3: know who the generic old white guy candidate could be

1037
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty eight.

1038
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: But it may be somebody. Look at Obama, you don't

1039
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: have to be a white I mean, you don't have

1040
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: to be an old white guy.

1041
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 3: Motivated minority voters in a way that was unique, which

1042
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 3: is why I think the Wes Moore analogy applies. I

1043
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 3: think if Wes Moore were talented, then I think he

1044
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 3: could be a charismatic, younger generation leader. I think AOC

1045
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 3: is more aligned with Kamala and Hillary, and I just

1046
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 3: don't think they will pick a woman based on going

1047
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 3: over too with women.

1048
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 2: Well, I for one, Clay, they want to shadow that

1049
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: glass ceiling, and they haven't given up the dream until

1050
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: I think that. Look, if somebody said, and maybe there's

1051
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 2: a way I can do this, like put money on

1052
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: a ticket right now, to me, it's probably Wes Moore

1053
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 2: at the top the ticket with aocs VP. But I

1054
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 2: still think that that AOC in the meantime is a

1055
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 2: far more important part of the Democrat resistance because Wes

1056
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: Moore can play that role in politics of the all

1057
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 2: American guy kind of a mind. It doesn't matter what

1058
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: he really is on policy, right, they'll just say whatever.

1059
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: This is the same thing with Obama. Obama was a

1060
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 2: radical state senator, radical leftist. Obama was the most left

1061
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 2: wing senator in the United States Senate when he ran

1062
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: for president, and they were you know then he gave

1063
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 2: flowery speeches and everyone. Oh, so they can do the

1064
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: same thing, I think with Wes Moore. So to me

1065
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 2: it would be Wes Moore at the fault of the

1066
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: ticket and AOC at the bottom of the ticket. But

1067
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: I just think that if you're looking for a leader

1068
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: of the resistance, Bernie too old, I mean Pelosi too old.

1069
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: These people are just no, they no longer have resonance

1070
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: with the broader electorate. They all look like they should

1071
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 2: be spending time with their great grandkids. One thing that

1072
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 2: isn't getting very much attention. But I think you know

1073
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 2: who hasn't been very outspoken about this, Abreo Garcia, Dude, the.

1074
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 3: Governor of Maryland. You got the senator getting on a

1075
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 3: plane going to El Salvador. Wes Moore is the governor

1076
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 3: of Maryland. If he were trying to tack towards the left,

1077
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: wouldn't he be on a plane to El Salvador El

1078
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 3: Salvador about He could be the lead. He could be

1079
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 3: the a bloc, first guest on every non Fox, you know,

1080
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: left wing cable news show and have a front page,

1081
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 3: you know, a top of the fold editorial in the

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Speaker 3: New York Times in an instant. If he wanted to

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Speaker 3: go in on this subject in a heavy way.

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Speaker 1: He's not. I think that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: The other thing you you've talked about, how I trust

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Speaker 3: football fans sports fans more than non sports fans. It's

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Speaker 3: a cigaret handshake. I think this guy is not a

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Speaker 3: fake sports fan. He's a big Baltimore Ravens fan. He's

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Speaker 3: got a military background. I saw a video of him

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Speaker 3: teal Gating, and he didn't look like Tim Wall's doing

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Speaker 3: spirit fingers. He just seemed like a normal dude who

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Speaker 3: liked to go have a beer, have a hot dog maybe,

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Speaker 3: and get ready for a game. Sports fans can tell

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Speaker 3: whether you're fake or not because a lot of politicians

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Speaker 3: want to appear to.

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Speaker 1: Be regular guys.

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Speaker 3: The fact that he's not getting all involved in this

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Speaker 3: El Salvador thing super interesting to me, because to your point,

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Speaker 3: he could be on every television show in the country

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Speaker 3: talking about it. I think maybe he's smarter politically than

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Speaker 3: he has been given credit for. He can ride above

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Speaker 3: the fray as a popular governor and then parachute in

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Speaker 3: to the twenty twenty eight race as a relatively normal dude.

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Speaker 3: I also know, you know what else, Buck, he actually

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Speaker 3: has a pretty good relationship with Trump, which would surprise people.

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Speaker 3: I think he has been very happy to meet with Trump,

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Speaker 3: call him be at his public events. I think that

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Speaker 3: he's smarter than a lot of people are giving him

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Speaker 3: credit for, and a lot of people don't know it yet.

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Speaker 2: I've said all I think that he's I think he's

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Speaker 2: the likeliest guy right now to be the standard bearer

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Speaker 2: for the Democrats in the next election. But that's different

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Speaker 2: than who is the leader of the resistance. Between now

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Speaker 2: and the mid terms, let's say, and I think you're

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Speaker 2: just going to see more and more of AOC and

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Speaker 2: that actually may play to his favor, to Wes Moore's

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Speaker 2: favor in the general, just because he doesn't have to.

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Speaker 1: You know, stay out of his hand, stay out of

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Speaker 1: the fray Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, stay out of the fray I mean that's probably

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Speaker 2: a smart's probably a smart move. Look, when I first

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Speaker 2: came across the story, I had to read it twice.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear why in a moment. For over one hundred

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Speaker 2: trillion dollars has been buried on American soil. This endowment,

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Speaker 2: so to speak, is so large it could pay off

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Speaker 2: our national debt four times over. Why has it been

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Speaker 2: kept secret for so long? Thanks to a Supreme Court decision,

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Speaker 2: President Trump could soon release it to the public. Jim Rickards,

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Speaker 2: former advisor to the White House and Federal Reserve, says,

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