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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature, the podcast where we shrink down

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Speaker 1: and go on a journey through the brains of people

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Speaker 1: and animals. I'm Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary

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Speaker 1: biology at Harvard, and I'm a bird's rights activist on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: This time we're looking at motherhood. It's now a shock

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Speaker 1: that parenting children can be scary. You're trying to turn

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Speaker 1: a wild, drooling, biting, poopy, little, freshly minted human into

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Speaker 1: an upstanding citizen, even though all he wants to do

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Speaker 1: is shove Marble's way up his nose. But there are

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Speaker 1: dark sides to motherhood that go beyond the typical challenges.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a look at some of the

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Speaker 1: freakiest filial phenomenons in the animal kingdom and the truth

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Speaker 1: behind some of the horror movie tropes about motherhood. With

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Speaker 1: me today to discuss some of these wild mothers. As

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Speaker 1: co host of The Daily zeygeis Miles Gray. It's up,

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Speaker 1: my Oh Hi, I was in suspended animation. I'm not

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Speaker 1: used to a good podcast. Yes, hi, thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me just hypnotized by my radio voice. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: it was amazing. So U do you know there's this

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Speaker 1: creature in folklore called the change Link. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: heard of the Angelina Jolie movie. Well, I mean that's

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Speaker 1: from science. That's well, it's from folklore and mythology. See

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm my folklore and mythology game is not

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Speaker 1: on point, as some would say. Well, you're in for

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Speaker 1: a world wide because so the change link is this

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Speaker 1: thing where a fairy steals a human baby and then

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Speaker 1: it replaces it with a disguised fairy baby. So that's

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Speaker 1: the changeling, and then the parent raises the fairy child. Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So the changeling looks like a human child, but its

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Speaker 1: behavior is kind of weird, you know, it's just like

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Speaker 1: off somehow, and it's not because it's not a human.

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Speaker 1: It's a fairy. And then like one of the parts

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Speaker 1: of the myth is one day it's going to leave

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Speaker 1: the human world and return to its fairy family. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: so the human baby that was stolen is like put

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Speaker 1: to work in the fairy court, is like a servant,

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Speaker 1: or in some cases of the myth, like the fairies

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Speaker 1: have a human child. But so the fairies rely on

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Speaker 1: human slave labor. Yeah, that's a stolen human slaver. That

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Speaker 1: is a very uh sober take on it. But um yes,

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Speaker 1: we'll go with that. But what do the and then

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Speaker 1: the parents, they think, what is a weird thing a

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Speaker 1: changeling can do that a human parent might go, that's

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Speaker 1: that's not like what a human baby would do. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is where it gets a little bit more dark.

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Speaker 1: Um So, anthropologists and people who study folklore think that

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Speaker 1: this was an explanation for children who were born with

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Speaker 1: developmental to stabilities, mental illness, or like physical deformities. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's like, oh, this child is different, and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: so you know it must be a fairy just because

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Speaker 1: they're like maybe on the spectrum or have some kind

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Speaker 1: something right, or even neurologically or even just like physically

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Speaker 1: pediatrician who doesn't know anything. It just goes, do not

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Speaker 1: think a fairy doing guy? And then like a doctor,

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Speaker 1: I need answers. Well, that's sort of that's funny because

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Speaker 1: that that it does remind me of like, uh, you

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Speaker 1: know how like there are a lot of anti vaxers

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Speaker 1: who are like, you know, like my child just suddenly

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Speaker 1: is that something that those parents say? Yeah, because one

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Speaker 1: young age, like around toddlerhood, like you regress, so that

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Speaker 1: autism or Asperger's. So it's like they're using that timing

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Speaker 1: to rationalize. They're like, well, it must have been the vaccine, right,

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Speaker 1: skepticism about vaccinations has replaced that sort of or check

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Speaker 1: on an imagination journey. First, you got to imagine that

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Speaker 1: you have a baby. It's already very dark, a grim future.

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Speaker 1: You've just come home from a long day of podcasting.

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Speaker 1: You I'm sorry. I like the idea where I'm like,

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Speaker 1: that's the equivalent of like real hard craft, Like yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mind been sitting all day. Ah. You go to the

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Speaker 1: baby looks like your baby, but there's something just a

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Speaker 1: little off, Like she seems like she's grow in a

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Speaker 1: little bit and she starts crying and you're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: she needs something, like she needs to be changed or held,

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Speaker 1: have to feed her, right, and the ticket, right, that's

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Speaker 1: don't have. I don't know i have apple juice for

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Speaker 1: a young baby. I'm not a parent either, I don't

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Speaker 1: keep feeding it. And you're feeding her and feeding her,

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Speaker 1: You're going like you're working around the clock, like pumping

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Speaker 1: graham crackers, freezing the breast milk, you're frosting the breast milk,

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Speaker 1: but nothing is ever enough. But you're just like, because

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Speaker 1: bad news for bird smiles. It is a real thing.

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Speaker 1: So there actual changelings in the bird world, and you

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Speaker 1: may have heard of them. They're called cuckoos, and they're

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Speaker 1: not just the clocks. They're also a real bird and

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Speaker 1: There aren't There aren't cuckoo nests, So your reality has

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Speaker 1: And one of the differences between like parasites and predators

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Speaker 1: You studied evolutionary biology, how does a bird right, I

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Speaker 1: understand like through natural selection or whatever that certain traits

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Speaker 1: I've never seen that movie, but I'm familiar with the concept.

424
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: And it's funny because all the priests at my high

425
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: school told role was married the same thing. She's having

426
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: Satan's child. Oh weren't we all? But so other movies

427
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: have kind of gone into this because I think we

428
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: have like this, there's this fear of like something's growing

429
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 1: inside of you that's like evil or going to hurt you. Um,

430
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm don't we all let's stop later. I'm

431
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: curious with the darkness. You're the most cheery person, but

432
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yes, there's some kind of demon within you.

433
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: The demon within but like you know, like an alien,

434
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: the alien in the movie Alien. Like you know, it's

435
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: like it's not like the chest burster is scarier to

436
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: me than even just like the Big Mother alien. Because

437
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: like there's like John Hurd, He's just like sitting around

438
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: eating his space salad and like all of a sudden

439
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: he feels sick and then this thing sorry spoilers, but

440
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: it like bursts out of his chest. Is that what happens. Yeah,

441
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, and it's just like what the movie

442
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: was capturing was this like feeling. I'm sorry, it bursts

443
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: from his chest. You might want to view the movie,

444
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: I've I don't want to spoil. Yeah, I have a

445
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: problem lying about seeing movies. I haven't seen it, but

446
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: that sounds often. Well, he died, but like but like

447
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: you have this thing. It's like the subversion of the

448
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: joy of like parenthood. And I guess, yeah, that's a

449
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: very intense way to think of it, right, So I

450
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: want to talk about some very real nightmare fuel though. Yeah,

451
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: I think just to go off of that, right, I

452
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: think any time I see a movie where something is

453
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: crawling around on someone's inside unbeknownst to them or maybe

454
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: they did know, Like even in the Matrix, when the

455
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: agent puts that weird like digital shrimp on, there's something

456
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: I think. I know what you mean. You feel like

457
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: especially vulnerable because this isn't an an external threat. No,

458
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: it's coming from inside the body. The call is coming

459
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: from inside the house, so to speak. Okay, I'm sorry,

460
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 1: I'm just I think most of us can sympathize with

461
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: the fear of being pregnant and not knowing it. Um,

462
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: just like like a million voices were just like, yes,

463
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: but what if it took you sixty years to find

464
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: out you've been carrying a fetus the whole time I

465
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: think I was talking about. I guess you can guess.

466
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: Is it that woman in Thailand? Maybe be more specific?

467
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: Does she have a fossilized embryo? Yes? Yes, But all

468
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: I know is I remember that like a woman gave

469
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: birth to a rock or no, she had she had

470
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: a pain, right and then okay, I'm sorry, I don't

471
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: this is my show. No, but you're you're on the

472
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: right track. Because it's called a lithe opedion, which translates

473
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: to stone baby. It's it's an extremely rare form of miscarriages.

474
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: So typically I don't want to laugh. I was left.

475
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: For the record, I left at stone He was laughing

476
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: at stone baby. Everybody just leaving get off his bat

477
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: off mention. Um. So, typically when you have when something

478
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: goes wrong, the fetus gets reabsorbed back into the womb.

479
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: But in really rare cases, like if it's too big

480
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: or it doesn't reabsorb um and it isn't ejected from

481
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: the body, what happens is it starts to calcify and

482
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: falsilize like you're saying, because what's actually happening is the

483
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: mother's body is reacting to a foreign object and it's

484
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: shielding itself from the dead tissue. You know. It's it's

485
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: kind of like so when oysters create um so like

486
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: you know, like when oysters create pearls, like people say

487
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: it's from a grain of sand, but it's usually from

488
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: like a parasite. So what they do is they produce

489
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: this substance called nacre and coated over a long period

490
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: of time, and it results in this beautiful pearl. But

491
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, in the case of lithopedions, it's a nightmare pearl.

492
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: Horror pearl is a stone baby for an oyster basically,

493
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: but it's that's so beautiful pretty much. So it's like

494
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: it's not covering their own fetiss like a parasite or yeah, yeah,

495
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: because is like that parasite or foreign body could cause

496
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: problems for the oyster, like infection or maker is the like.

497
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: So the strategy is just saran wrapped the ship out

498
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: of this thing so it doesn't mess us up. That's

499
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: exactly right. Yeah, Okay, I'm trying to put in Layman's

500
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: wrapped the ship out of it with naker and then

501
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: you get a pearl and you turn into a necklace. Yeah,

502
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: and then you turn into a thing that old ladies wear.

503
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: Are pearls back in? Are they ever left? I'm the

504
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 1: wrong person to ask, as I my pearl jewelry. So,

505
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: like you're saying, in the case of the one lady,

506
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 1: she carried the stone baby for sixty years. It weighed

507
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: four and a half pounds, and actually you said like

508
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: like she gave birth to it. No, it's just it

509
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 1: remained inside her because the doctors determined she was too

510
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: old for surgery, so it was safer just to leave

511
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: it there, which just is awful. Oh no, I know. Wait,

512
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: so it never is never removed? Wow? How common is this?

513
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: It's pretty rare, very rare. Yeah, because I feel like

514
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: it was just one of those headlines like years ago

515
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: on the internet, woman has fossilized baby. It's extremely rare,

516
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: and even more rare for it to be so long unnoticed.

517
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: So this basically will don't worry, this will not happen

518
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: to you. Do you think for science this is when

519
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: we's still alive? Do you know? I'm not sure I want.

520
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean, just for science's sake, you would think you

521
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: would want to extract that just to kind of Look,

522
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: I know they do have samples of they do have

523
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: like specimens of stone babies that would be a flex

524
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: for jewelry, just a big necklace like chain or dangli.

525
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Look, I'm just thinking outside the box. You've

526
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: got me thinking about pearls. What's with the you know,

527
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: my new light of line of jewelry an alien race

528
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: who like has necklaces made out of humans. See that's again.

529
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: Now we're writing a sci fi script I can get behind,

530
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: like Marge Simpson seventy five from the Batel Juice Simpson

531
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: with Emperor President Clinton. So they're actual, like horrific chest

532
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: burster like alien babies in nature. First, I want to

533
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: talk about Cecilians, not Sicilians from Princess Bride, whom you

534
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: never want to engage in bets with, I believe. But

535
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: so Cilians look like worms, but they're not. They can

536
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: be as small as worms, they can be up to

537
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: four feet and legs, but they're actually legless amphibians. You're

538
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: making a face. Yeah, just the idea that just knowing

539
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: that the route we're taking and we're starting off like

540
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: it could be this small, it could be four ft long.

541
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: You know, who knows how it could be as tall

542
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: as a building. I don't know. Okay. Sicilians Sicilians, and

543
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: they're they're amphibians. They don't have any legs and they

544
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: squantch around. Does that mean squant is a scientific term?

545
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's you know, it's like how the

546
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: sound I imagine they make is that because they do

547
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: the thing like a like a worm or they like

548
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: bunch their butt up and yeah, squatching and then snakes

549
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: do slithering. Yeah, okay, yeah, exactly. So the baby Sicilians

550
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: have special teeth that resemble grappling hooks that they use

551
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: to peel and eat their mother's skin for nourishment. What

552
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: we're getting a picture of this here. They look like

553
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: little worms and they got you know, it looks so disgusting,

554
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, like the Starlac pit and Star Wars. It's

555
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, that looks like a butt hole with teeth. Yeah,

556
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: butth hole with teeth that you know what. This is

557
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: actually the second time on this podcast we've talked about

558
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: butts with teeth. It's a whole genre, it's a whole look,

559
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: it's coming back. So the mother will lose about of

560
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: her body weight, but she's totally cool with this. She

561
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: allow was her offspring to eat or skin offspring is

562
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: within the mother or so sometimes so some live bearing

563
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: species of cicilians, they're actually eating inside of the mother,

564
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: so they eat the fatty secretions from the reproductive organs.

565
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: But other times they're already born and they're like or

566
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: the eggs are laid and like they pop out and

567
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: then they start eating like mom jerky, just like mom jerk,

568
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: it's nutritious and delicious. Please make that a mom tested,

569
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: Mom approved, Mom, it's in fact, mom My kids love

570
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: my skin, love it and eat it and they just

571
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: bite like so it would, I mean mimics sort of

572
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: like mammalian feeding, where like a bunch of little kids

573
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: are just like kind of nipping away, but there's no

574
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: nipples or utters. Basically, it's kind of a weird evolutionary

575
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: step towards like drinking milk. Because like so some of

576
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: the very early versions of mammals, like monotream, so like

577
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: a platypus kidnas, they don't have nipples. They just kind

578
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: of uze milk. Um, I think out of their stomach pores. Okay,

579
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: so it's not just like a messy sweating milk. Yeah,

580
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: they're like your baby or milk sweating and then the

581
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: babies just kind of lick it up. So but it's

582
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: not I don't want to make a claim that this

583
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: is the direct link between that, but you can kind

584
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: of see. This is a weird step because the mother

585
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: is actually growing the skin, especially for the kids, so

586
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: it's like nutritious, delicious skin, mom skin. And they actually

587
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: survived this, so it's it doesn't kill them, but sometimes

588
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: for not All moms who let their children eat them

589
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: are so lucky. Um. So there's this creature called the pseudoscorpion.

590
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: It's not a scorpion. It's a type of aracnut. I

591
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: knew that. Yeah, yeah, so again we are already that's

592
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: I think too. You get two stars. So it looks

593
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: like a lot like a scorpion, as you would imagine.

594
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: That's why they named it. Well what is it an? Actually?

595
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: Oh want to be exactly. So the moms will offer

596
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: herself up to her babies to eat, and the babies

597
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: will suck out those sweet mom juices through her joints

598
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: and then discard her carcass. Okay, you have to slow down. Okay,

599
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: So this fake asked scorpion has kids, and then the

600
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: kids just what they feed off her joints when they

601
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: suck no, no no, no. Imagine like you have a straw,

602
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: a bendy straw, and you stick it in soda and

603
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: you drink out of it. They're drinking her juices out

604
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: of her joints like they're straws that they've stuck into, like,

605
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: but through her joints, like that's the entry point. And

606
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: then from there they just suck. Mom. For lack of

607
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: a or words, and the mom like, wow, when you

608
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: look at it from a very specific perspective, this is

609
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: heartwarming because researchers think this has given rise to these

610
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: pro social behaviors in pseudo scorpions. So the young hunt

611
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: together and parents like help protect the young. Um. So

612
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: like since the mother is encouraging the young, like when

613
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: they don't have enough to eat and they're like, oh

614
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: well you can eat me, your mom. They don't need

615
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: each other and they don't compete with each other. So

616
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: they think that this allowed for more fraternally social pseudo

617
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: scorpions to have survived and evolved. So yeah, So like,

618
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: if you want your kids to get along, let them

619
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: meet you. Pipe down in there, stop fighting. You can

620
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: both have some mom. Soe get your straw and put

621
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: in my kneecap, have a few SIPs of that each

622
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: other alone. There's a similar case with black lace weaver

623
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: spiders where they will eat their own mom and then

624
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: they'll dance together. So black lace weaver spiders will have

625
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: over a hundred young. So first step is they lay

626
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: trophic eggs. Trophic eggs are unfertilized eggs that are just

627
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: there for eating eating. And so once the babies eat

628
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: all of these eggs, then the spider will actually guide

629
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: them under her and kind of press down on them

630
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: to kind of encourage them to eat her, which yeah,

631
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: and so they do. And then once they've eaten some

632
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: good mom, they go onto the web and start the internet.

633
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: Um no, it's a physical web, I thought. Okay, I'm

634
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: you see how modern technology it's ruined nature. The mother

635
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: ea their mother dead? Yeah, yeah, they kill her, they

636
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: eat her, and she's all right with it. And how

637
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: much are we talking of the body is gone just

638
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: enough that it's mortally wounded basically, well, no, probably like

639
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: they eat most of the fluids, like the which is

640
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: sort of like it's probably not gonna eat the outer

641
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: the exo skeleton because that's tough and not patricious. But

642
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: the bits, they'll eat all of that arrow if you

643
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: the mom marrow. And then so they eat the mom

644
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: and then they go onto the spiders webs, yes, and

645
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: then they dance. So they have the synchronized thing where

646
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: they're all contracting their bodies like together and sync and

647
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: it makes the web vibrate. And the thought is that

648
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: this is now that they're suddenly orphaned by strange chance.

649
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: They have to protect themselves. So if they if they

650
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: moved together, um and like dance together, they're vibrating the

651
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: web as if a much larger spider is on there,

652
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: so like it wards off predators. So they think like, oh,

653
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: there's a someone's home. Yeah, someone's home, like at home

654
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: alone where Kevin has a little Michael Jordan's on the train,

655
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: or the latable clowns, Uncle's in the shower, or weaken

656
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: to Bernie's or two men try and pretend a dead

657
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: bodies life. See I'm thank you. I'm having to put

658
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: it in scientific terms for me to understand, thank you,

659
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: the science of home alone. And again, like the pseudoscorpion,

660
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: they actually form social groups and they hunt together. So

661
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: that's a heartwarming thought of like these little mother eating

662
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: babies just all in one group, hunting together, dancing, right,

663
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: there's something so yeah, is there a video of this dancing?

664
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: Do they call dancing the science? Just? Yeah? I mean

665
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: some of them do they it's not technically a dance,

666
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: but like it. They're not going to start lasting or

667
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: doing the Millie rock lets. You think they're so smart.

668
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: It's like you guysn't even know why you're doing it.

669
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: It's been millions of years and you're just figuring out now. Okay,

670
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: So I know there's a question that's burning in everyone's mind.

671
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 1: Do babies ever eat each other? You want to answer

672
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: that because I know the answer. Yeah they do. Oh yeah, yeah,

673
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm joking. Uh wait, do babies eat each other like

674
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: of their own like their own kin? Or do they

675
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: just are babies wild and out and they go like, yeo,

676
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: let's go eat some other babies like their own kin.

677
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean, nature so fucked up. The answer has to

678
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: be yes. You're learning. This is a learning podcast. And

679
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: I know, I know phenotypes. Have you heard of, Like

680
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: there's this medical urban legend where like you have twins

681
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: and then one twin eats the other twins. Yes, like

682
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: Dwight shrewd and he said the exact same thing, yes,

683
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: and that's why he doesn't not only has the strength

684
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: of a man, but a man and a little twin. Yeah. Um. So,

685
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: like the legend goes like, you get an ultrasound, there's

686
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: like twins, yeah, and then you get another ultras dound

687
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: and there's suspiciously only one twin remaining. So like the

688
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: conclusion drawn is like, oh my twin eight the other

689
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: twins so that they can grow into a strong shoot

690
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: double by double by child the double boy. So this

691
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: math is actually false. Mostly I like that idea, though

692
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: this is an actual medical issue called vanishing twin syndrome.

693
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: It's a miscarriage in which one of the fetuses. See

694
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: every time, I'm like, oh, I like that, and then

695
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: it ends up being some form of a miscarriage. Okay,

696
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: so I'm sorry that it's a syndrome in which, okay,

697
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: there's you start off with two, right, So, like miscarriages

698
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: happened pretty often and naturally so like one of the

699
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: fetuses will die and then, like we were talking about earlier,

700
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: what happens is it gets reabsorbed back into the wombs. Right,

701
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: the other twin is innocent. It didn't eat the twin.

702
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: It just is like just hanging out. Tell that to

703
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: the same doctor. It was like a fairy took your kid.

704
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: Also that kid the twin, so you may want to

705
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: ask him some questions. Those fairies levey babies. Anyways, here's

706
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: twenty more leeches and we're gonna bleed you. So, but

707
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: there is this really rare condition in which again we're

708
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: going back to sort of the stone baby horror, but

709
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: like the dead fetus becomes mummified, and it's called fetis

710
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: pepraceus fetis pepracius, which translates to paper fetus um. Because

711
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: what happens is like the live twin kind of smooshes

712
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: the dead fetus and then it gets wedged between the

713
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: uterine wall and the live fetus and it becomes like,

714
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: you know, like flower pressing but horrible, you know, like

715
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: flower pressing but fetus, but a fetus and it's terrible.

716
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: So and that's paper fetus mummified. Yes, So basically fetal

717
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: cannibalism in humans is a myth, but like you guessed,

718
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: it's not a myth for non humans. So let's go

719
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: inside a shark womb. Miles. Of course I don't trust sharks.

720
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: Well you shouldn't, because shark wombs are like an embryonic

721
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: thunder dome. Yes, go on, which is a great band name.

722
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: Don't take it, actually take it, take it, take it.

723
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: It sounds like a really dark like metal We will

724
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: eat you in the world. Nice. The pregnant san shark

725
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: can be carrying several baby sharks at once, but typically

726
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: only one will emerge victorious. The biggest and strongest fetus

727
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: will eat its unborn wound mates. So why would it

728
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: do this? Does it just like hated siblings? Is it?

729
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: Is it really hungry? Insecure? Insecure? So marine biologists are

730
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: really interested in this, and they've done research and have

731
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: found that female San tiger sharks can carry babies from

732
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: multiple fathers at once. So when and an embryonic shark

733
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: eats its fellow embryos, it's both cutting down on sibling competition,

734
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: but also because they have different fathers, it's making sure

735
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: it's paternal. DNA is triumphant over its half siblings. So

736
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: it's toxic masculinity played out in the womb and you're

737
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: murking your half. The shark rearchy, shark rearchy thing. Yeah,

738
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: toxic shark city. You know, it's just a problem in

739
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: our sark city. Yes, okay, Like can you imagine, like

740
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: like you're in a car trip and the kids in

741
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: back are like filing eye. He's on my side like loud,

742
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: and like suddenly gets like really quiet, and you look

743
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: back and there's just like one really fat Yeah, just

744
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: like now we're good back here, We're fine. Everything worked out. Wow.

745
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: The idea of the paternal DNA having to be dominant

746
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: or at the very least have that genetic line go on.

747
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: That is so wild to me that it can play

748
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: out in the womb. Yes, yes, that, like their reproductive

749
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: system is wild. Yeah. Have you ever seen like a

750
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: So some sharks are live bearing, and then some sharks

751
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: have like these like egg pods and like you hold

752
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: it up to a light and you can see a

753
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: little shark embryo like inside moving around. It's like it's external, Yeah,

754
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: but it's carried on the mother. No, No, this is

755
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: a difference. So there's some live bearing sharks, and some

756
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,479
Speaker 1: of them like lay these like these pods that got

757
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: you like an alien? Yeah, exactly, like an alien or

758
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: those shark pods called I forgot hide pods. Nice. God,

759
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: that's great. So we're going to leave some wound for

760
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: a quick method, get it because because of sharks eating

761
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: each other in the room right, and room yes and

762
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: room yes. So there's another horror trope that I think

763
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: reflects a deep primal fear, which is the evil mother,

764
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: like the Bible thumping mother and carry the spider mom

765
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: and coraline mother goffl and tangled h my mom um.

766
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: But seriously, oh no, does she suck the life horse

767
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: out of your hair? Basically? I mean I'm bald in

768
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: a way, yes, And I blame her, So go on,

769
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: I like this section. Now, Now everyone who has baldness

770
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: knows who to like blame my mother. Yeah, your mother

771
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: says specifically, she's been sucking all of the hair force.

772
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: She one time said, she goes, it looks like your

773
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: hair is dying. Mother, You know what I mean. I

774
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: looked at her, I said, I'm your kids, just so

775
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: you technically, technically hair is already dead. It's the hair

776
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: follicle thank you, Katie, that's welcome. You know what, can

777
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: I take a second to call my mother and well,

778
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: guess what jokes on you? My hair was been dead.

779
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: Stick that in your mom's pipe and have her smoke it.

780
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: So one of my favorite evil mothers is spoilers for

781
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: the show Sharp Objects. So if you haven't seen spoiler alert,

782
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, yank out your headphones, throw your phone and

783
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: the toilet, run away and watch the show. Binge it

784
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: and I'll see you back. And then you realize it's

785
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: the little sister the whole time. And those teeth were

786
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: actually people's teeth on the floor anyway in the door

787
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: at this point. If they didn't turn away, that's on them.

788
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm saying you gave ample spoiler alert

789
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: warning right aggressively to the end of the all complaints

790
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: to God. I blame the bird man. I'm sorry, going

791
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: on right. So, the protagonist mother is very disturbing her

792
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: favoritism coldness towards Um, the main character, and again spoilers, spoilers, spoilers,

793
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: spoilers go away. The mother feeds her own children rat

794
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: poison so she can like take care of them. She

795
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: has like this bottle of quote unquote medicine that's full

796
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: of poison that she like lovingly makes and she feeds

797
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: it to them. She's like, oh, sweetie, you know, just

798
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: stay in bed, and she takes care of them and

799
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: pulls the sheets over and like all this stuff and um.

800
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: As the show points out, this is a condition called

801
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: Munchhausen by proxy, and this is a real disorder. So

802
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: Munchhausen is when you pretend to be sick yourself and

803
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: it's not for any financial gain or getting out of work.

804
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: That's just called lingering and you're just an asshole. Uh,

805
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: munch Housen is you want the attention. It's kind of

806
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 1: like that guy who was pretending to be a kid.

807
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 1: He wanted to love an attention. So like with Munchausen,

808
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: you're pretending to be sick so you can get attention

809
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,479
Speaker 1: onto yourself. But if it's lingering, what's the way. What's

810
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: the lingering? Is you want financial gain or right? Okay,

811
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: it's not for attention, it's just for pure utter. It's

812
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: just I don't want to go to school. I don't

813
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: want to go to what we also call that, right,

814
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: Like if you're on a murder trial and you're trying

815
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: to act like you're insane and you're faking it. They

816
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: call them lingering to yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's true crime.

817
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: Lingle it's to try, it's to get an actual tangible reward. Munchausen.

818
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: By proxy is when you use a child you're typically

819
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: it's a mother using her own child and poisoning them

820
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: or pretending they're sick in order for you as the parent,

821
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: to get attention, because like, like we often are kind

822
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: to the parents of sick children because they're going through

823
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble, and that's a good thing. But

824
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: in this case, it's this perversion of other people's kindness

825
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: where it's like you are making your child sick so

826
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: that you get this attention in this like feeling like

827
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: this good hair takes by proxy. First when you use biproxy,

828
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: yes you're the child, and they're like, that is exactly.

829
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: I feel like Sharper objects used that as inspiration because

830
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: that yet that is really dark. So that so what

831
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: Miles is talking about is there was this woman, Dee

832
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: de Blanchard, who she forced her child to live as

833
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: if she was disabled and um like in a wheelchair,

834
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: shaving her head, um, wearing these big glasses and like

835
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: she didn't allow her to sort of speak as if

836
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: she were like normally. She made her act like she

837
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: was kind of mentally disabled as well. She also like

838
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: tricked doctors into having her undergo all these unnecessary medical procedures,

839
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: so like they even removed her salivary glands because she

840
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: would put like this numbing like origel or some other

841
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: like gum numbing things, so she would drool during her

842
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: doctor's visits, so they removed the glance to what I know,

843
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: it's so upsetting because it's like it's just like making

844
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 1: her go through all of this. It's it's abuse. It's

845
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: child abuse. Yeah, it's like physical and emotional abuse. And

846
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: in this case and in that documentary, um, the daughter

847
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: actually plots and successfully plots to have the mother killed,

848
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: which I mean, it's just the whole thing is awful.

849
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: But when you look at it from the perspective of

850
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: she's been abused all this time, it's completely like of

851
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: course she's gonna snap. And she was like meant to

852
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: forego years of her child pretend to be someone she wasn't.

853
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: Wasn't she like even pretending to be like a few

854
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: years younger than because she was actually she was still

855
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: being forced to play this role into her early twenties,

856
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: and like her mother was both forcing her to pretend

857
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: like she's younger and then also like act as if

858
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: she's mentally behind really young. So I feel like this

859
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: is like it's so similar to like the story and

860
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: Sharp Objects. What I thought was interesting in Sharp Objects

861
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: was like they had all this stuff where there's a

862
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: lot of this like imagery of the mother like eating

863
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: her daughter, because like remember when she was talking about

864
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: Camie and me like, oh, she's like a ripe cherry,

865
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,959
Speaker 1: and his sister was talking about like oh, I could

866
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: just eat you up, um. And there's like drinking the

867
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: milk which is like poisoned, and just like this is

868
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 1: kind of a theme in mythology and storytelling, this idea

869
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: of like parents, especially mothers eating children, like the Witch

870
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: and Hansel and Gretel. And there's that great painting by

871
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: Goya where it's Saturn eating his son great as in horrifying,

872
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: where it's like the guy with a beard and he's

873
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: like hunched over this like this adult man and like

874
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: it is eating the arms off of it. Um. Well,

875
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: we'll put that up on the website, so you guys

876
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: can have more nightmare fuel, just share the nightmares. So,

877
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: in nature, this is called phil real cannibalism, meaning like

878
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: you're eating your own children, and it's a lot more

879
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: common than you might think. Cats, rodents, insects, other animals

880
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: will occasionally nibble on their children. Cats sometimes, I mean,

881
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: are you really that surprised at those assholes? No, because

882
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: I know like people like sometimes elderly people die with

883
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of cats will eat their face off. Yeah

884
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: that's true, right, yeah, okay, good, sometimes eat you too.

885
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: This has come up on our podcast before. This is

886
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: a and then they're like, yeah, with the dogs, I

887
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: feel like it's more in this than the dogs trying

888
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: to like wake you up. And then they're like, oh,

889
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: you're actually kind of tasty. And so fish are a

890
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: big offender in terms of eating children. So parents will

891
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: often eat their own babies and they're called fries, which

892
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: maybe explains why really, yeah, they're called baby fish are

893
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: called fries? Really, huh okay, so something so that maybe

894
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: you know, like the parents are confusing, like I guess

895
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: I eat fries. I don't know. To try and just

896
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: have one, just one, try to have one baby you

897
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: can't have, you can't start, you get going pretty soon

898
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: the whole carton's handfuls of babies. UM. So that seems

899
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: kind of counterintuitive because like you would think like the

900
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: genes for parents that eat their own babies would die

901
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: out because there's no more babies. But it's it's more

902
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: complicated than that. So eating your own fish babies can

903
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: actually increase your reproductive success in some cases. So, like

904
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: what researchers have found is that they eat the ones

905
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: that are slower to develop. And what that does is

906
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: in fish where they have parental care, like they're trying

907
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: to make sure they're their fries don't get eaten by

908
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: other fish. If they if they don't eat my fries, okay,

909
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: if they eat the small, weak, soggy fries, I like

910
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: soggy fries to be honest, Well they do eat them,

911
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: I would fit in the fish. I mean they're all

912
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: soggy fries because their fish. UM. So when they eat

913
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: the slow to develop ones, what they're doing is they

914
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: make it so that the ones that are most likely

915
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: to survive. They're putting all of their parental care into

916
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: the most fit, the fastest developing, most likely to reach

917
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: adulthood babies and then they they're sort of like getting

918
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: rid of some of the babies that would maybe take

919
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: away their attention from the the winner babies. And then

920
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: they also get a free snack, so some nutritional advantage. Yeah,

921
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: they're just you know, they only want the cream of

922
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: the crop, right, Yeah, separating the curds in the way.

923
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: So it's like then they have more time to get

924
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: back to spawning. Right, So it's just merely it's like

925
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: a time saving things like, look, I got too many

926
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: kids slow ones because they might not become NBA and

927
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: it would take care of me. So I need to

928
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: keep going so I could have more kids that might

929
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: be the next broun fish, right right, like B plus,

930
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 1: I guess you you survived this time. But if it's

931
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: a B minus, yeah, that sounds like a great way

932
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: to raise your children. Just threatened to eat them. I

933
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: was nearly raised like that. I mean, you know, I

934
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,919
Speaker 1: gotta achieve, gotta achieve, you know what I mean. Yeah,

935
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: it was never under the fear of being consumed, right right,

936
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: it would just be like I wouldn't get electricity or

937
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: yeah no, but it's cool. You can do a lot

938
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: with candle light. Yeah yeah, yeah, plotting your revenge, yeah,

939
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: just on your on your scroll with your So what

940
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: about eating like your whole family, the whole family meal

941
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: of fries. Get it. So we're moving on to land

942
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: the long tailed skink, which is it's just a type

943
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: of lizard, right, Yeah, I think I've don't people have

944
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: skinks like in the terrariums. I think I had a

945
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: roommate who had one. Yeah, I had a crust did

946
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: geck once. Yeah. So when the long tailed skink encounters

947
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: intruding eggs eating snakes, they reach this point of exasperation

948
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: where they're just like, fine, I'll eat my eggs like

949
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: you want to eat my eggs, I'll eat them like that.

950
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: So they are risking losing their eggs to this predator,

951
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: and if it's really persistent, like it keeps coming back,

952
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: like they're like they're like screw it, Like I'll eat them,

953
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: get that nutrition and then try again with a new

954
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: clutch of eggs. Um And like pregnant skinks do this

955
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: the most because they're like I can just give birth

956
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: in like a week. I got more in the chamber, right,

957
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: I got more cooking, So like I'll eat these and

958
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: they're just doing it because they don't want there. Like,

959
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: if anybody's eating my eggs, it's gonna be gonna it's mate.

960
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: It's like when you're like as a kid and like

961
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: your siblings trying to eat your candy, and you're just like,

962
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: I'll eat it all. I'll get really sick, like probably

963
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: throw up chocolate everywhere, but by god, it's my candy

964
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: and I'll eat it. I'm glad evolution has awarded that baseline. Yes,

965
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: but you know you can't always judge a mom cannibal

966
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: by its cover. So there's a tropical fish called the

967
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: big mouth hap which is really rude of science to

968
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: call it that, Like it's just trying to speak its mine,

969
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: and you're calling it a big mouth? Is it? What

970
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: is the mouth in fact big? Yes? It is the

971
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: mouth is in fact big. What would you what's a

972
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: more sensitive way to name the fish since you're so

973
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: insensed by this anatomically large mouth? Tap? Okay. So it

974
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: has a parenting style where it's a caretaker. So it

975
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: has a whole mess of fish babies, um, and it's

976
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: constantly like wrangling them trying to prevent them from getting eaten,

977
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: or like finding me mode and like like when you

978
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: watch a video of it, sometimes she seems to just

979
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: like lose her cool and she opens up her mouth

980
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: and sucks all her babies in. But don't panic, she's

981
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: just keeping them safe inside her mouth. When she sends

982
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: as a predator is nearby, whoa, that is wild. It

983
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: looks like it's eating the children. I'm watching a video

984
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: of this. Thank you to the BBC. Yeah, we'll put

985
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: all this stuff up on our website, Creature feature pod

986
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: dot com. You can see all the cool cool stuff

987
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: on there. Yeah, don't just take my groans in it

988
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: just it vacuums them up. It's really cool. And that's

989
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: to be like that's like the panic room. So yeah,

990
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: yeah children, Yeah, there's like the uvula just like lights

991
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: up like a like one of those red lights and

992
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: go like it haven't we proved I'm no nothing about sets.

993
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: Somebody you're thinking, they're actually tweeting their kids and they're

994
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:53,439
Speaker 1: doing internet dances. Okay, so don't do that. So they

995
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: like hang out in mom's cool fun mouth for a

996
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: little while and then she spits them back out when

997
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: it's safe. We've come up with that Mom's cool fun

998
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: mouth sounds like a bar opening an echo parks cool

999
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: fun mouth. Have you been a mom's school fun mouth?

1000
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: Get your get your mom poppers? They have like an

1001
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: O G Mortal Kombat mixture in there. It's cool anyway,

1002
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: I think embryonic thunderdomes playing. So there's an even crazier

1003
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: example of this childcare strategy, and it's called the gastric

1004
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: brooding frog, which it sounds like a frog that's like

1005
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: got irritable balance, like nobody understands me everything. Uh So,

1006
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: Actually it is called this because it keeps its eggs

1007
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: and its stomach. They develop and she gives birth out

1008
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: of her mouth like regurgitates, yes, yes, throws up a

1009
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: live baby. That's the scientific term. Yes, correct, Okay, I'm

1010
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: making sure I'm saying everything according to the standards of

1011
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: the world. Cold stars all around. So it's a way

1012
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: to keep her eggs safe and like this kind of

1013
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: like olutionary scenic root towards live bearing because it's like

1014
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: it has eggs, it swallows the eggs, eggs hatch in

1015
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: her stomach and then she throws up babies. And those

1016
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: are like the little tadpoles basically just they're fully developed

1017
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: little frogs, So they've passed tadpole phase. That isn't a

1018
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: frog starts a tadpool? Yes, okay, I'm just again. Now

1019
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: you're correct. So all those periods of gestation happened inside

1020
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: the stomach, and so you might ask why don't they

1021
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: get digested? Um, the eggs are covered in this substance

1022
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: called prostaglandin. So it's a chemical that signals to the

1023
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: mom's stomach to stop producing gastric acid. And I should

1024
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: probably put all of this in past tense because unfortunately

1025
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: the gastric brooding frogs are extinct, which I know it

1026
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: really that's a low bloke, right, bringing up opening up

1027
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: what it really sucks, because like for people like me

1028
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: with like sensitive stomachs, it would be cool if they

1029
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: could research like this prostagland and and like how it

1030
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: stomach somehow making this tragic extinction about your about me,

1031
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: how quickly the world over everything. I want to swallow

1032
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: some frogs and have it here in my stomach. It

1033
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: sounds like they're just covered in like toms, like it's

1034
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: just neutralizing, or it's not that it's neutralizing, it's sending

1035
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: a signal to the body that's saying no more acid

1036
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: produced less acid. Also, I mean they are just like

1037
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,439
Speaker 1: really cool. Like there's this great picture of the one

1038
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: of the gastric brooding frogs. It's a little tiny baby

1039
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: frog right in its mouth. See little little baby frog

1040
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: looks like a Russian nesting at all where it's like,

1041
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: oh inside, it's another little frog. How far do the

1042
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: frog It's frogs all the way down right, So I

1043
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: don't want to end the podcast on such a sad note. Wait,

1044
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: so how long ago did they go extinct? Just like

1045
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: a few decades ago? Okay, well, then our grandparents are

1046
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: the only ones who are like, hey, hey, show some respect,

1047
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: show respect for brooding frog frog elders. But here's some hope.

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Speaker 1: So scientists are hoping that they can clone the frogs

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Speaker 1: to bring them back from extinction. Thank fucking god. I know,

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Speaker 1: park up in here, Jurassic Park us up some baby

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Speaker 1: vomiting frogs at the very least, just for your sensitive something.

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Speaker 1: I want to eat baby frogs and be cured. I know.

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Speaker 1: But I'm pretty sure your doctor told you that was

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Speaker 1: sort of the cause of your stomach, and she's ready

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Speaker 1: to say you're just eating fro frog babies and it's

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Speaker 1: also the cause of the extinction of the frogs. I

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Speaker 1: was eating all their babies. Yeah, I believe I've seen

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Speaker 1: your photo up at the l A Zoo. It's like,

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Speaker 1: don't let this fucking maniac game, especially near the frog

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Speaker 1: She'll break in and eat all of your frogs, like

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Speaker 1: like they have that little corkboard of like frequent offenders.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's like a frog leg sticking out

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Speaker 1: of my mouth. And you're like, have because I'm freend Wow.

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Speaker 1: Way to kick the French other down, true American patriot. Well,

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Speaker 1: if they're going to pretend to be children, they deserve it. Yeah, hey,

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Speaker 1: why not so much? Have you got anything to plug? Oh? Man,

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Speaker 1: what don't I you know, I'm doing a benefit for

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Speaker 1: gastric brooding frogs this week at the Embryonic thunder Dome

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Speaker 1: right next to Mom's fun mouth. No you don't. Come

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Speaker 1: listen in on the Daily Zeitgeist that I hope you've

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Speaker 1: heard of it. Yeah, with Jacques O'Brien, who you may

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Speaker 1: or may not know. I think Jacques uh and uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: come see us over there. We talk every day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know you've been on the show. We had a

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01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: great time and you we talk news and politics and

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01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: culture and it's just an easy way to like stay

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01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: to digest. Yeah, keep up with the times without getting

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01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: fully you know, have your hair on fire and feel

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01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: down about the world because we're trying to us about Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, you can follow me on Twitter

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Speaker 1: and Instagram at Miles of Gray. So that's it. I'm

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01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm a humble man, simple man. I don't have much

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Speaker 1: else to quote. And you can follow me on Twitter

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01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: at Katie Golden gu l B I am uh and

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Speaker 1: also at proverb Rides, which is that that's the that's

1086
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: where you get the good stuff. You can check us

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Speaker 1: out on our website feature feature pod dot com and

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Speaker 1: our Twitter, Instagram and Facebook and come back next week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah please come back, No come back. You get you

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Speaker 1: get your preaking butts, set your butts down from