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Speaker 1: Hey, what up. Welcome in Doug Gottlieb. This is All Ball,

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Speaker 1: You're all basketball podcast. Um, well, we'll we'll record another

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Speaker 1: one here upcoming. In regards to Jail and Green and

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Speaker 1: the idea of a G League team that has simply

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Speaker 1: made up at least partially of guys that would be

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Speaker 1: freshman in college, I'll just say this for a really

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Speaker 1: interesting time in business. And as if you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this podcast, you probably love hoop, college hoop, pro whop,

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Speaker 1: just hoop in general. And I'm fascinated by how this

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Speaker 1: plays out, like we're all focused on, Like LaMelo Ball,

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Speaker 1: it did it help? It looked like it helped him

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Speaker 1: to go to Australia. I'd say this about LaMelo Ball.

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Speaker 1: I think getting away from his dad coaching him was

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Speaker 1: a big thing. Was important. Not because his dad's a

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Speaker 1: bad guy, but he really wasn't not a well rounded coach.

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Speaker 1: And I think playing, you know, in a professional league

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Speaker 1: against men is going to make you better. And as

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Speaker 1: much as there's some infatuation, but LaMelo Ball being a

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Speaker 1: number one overall pick, we do realize he shot from

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Speaker 1: three and percent from the field. He still doesn't guard

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Speaker 1: anybody now, He's a six ft six, six ft seven

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Speaker 1: point guard who can really pass and I think eventually

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Speaker 1: will be, you know, a good shooter. And you look

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Speaker 1: at how his brother's athleticism came in a couple of

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Speaker 1: years in the league, one could reason that if LaMelo

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Speaker 1: becomes the athlete that his brother is, the question is

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Speaker 1: will he be as tough as his brother's. Alonzo is

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Speaker 1: a tough ass dude, a great defender, rebounder, and if

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Speaker 1: you watch LaMelo play, he stays away from contact, wants

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Speaker 1: no part of defense, once, no part of rebounding. He

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Speaker 1: just likes to play with the ball offensively, make the

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Speaker 1: home run pass and to make the home run shot. Um.

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Speaker 1: But I'm no one talked about r J Hampton this year,

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Speaker 1: and I've been told that it wasn't like things were

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Speaker 1: left on good terms in Australia. I don't. I think

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Speaker 1: they're like any overseas teams you played overseas, you're listen

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Speaker 1: to this, You're not in your head, You're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that didn't really work out. Well, I didn't get what

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Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna get. Once I get you

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Speaker 1: on the plane, it's over. Don't get on the plane,

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Speaker 1: t get what you want, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But like Lamello talking about buying his team, that to

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Speaker 1: me signifies LaMelo he don't have any money to buy

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Speaker 1: a team. They probably owe him some money and giving

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Speaker 1: him some equity in the team. It feels like a

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Speaker 1: payback for that. So this is the next step. Is

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Speaker 1: the G League trying to pay guys, and it's a

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Speaker 1: hybrid deal with endorsements and with with NBA money. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if people are paying attention. I know NBA

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Speaker 1: people are, but I'm not sure people pay attention to

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Speaker 1: minor league baseball. But a good portion of the teams

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Speaker 1: in minor league Baseball are losing their affiliation and are

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Speaker 1: gonna go away, Like forty teams are gonna go away.

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Speaker 1: Now that's not a huge number, but it's not expanding.

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Speaker 1: And then we're gonna come out of a year where

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Speaker 1: there may be no minor league system, being no minor

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Speaker 1: league teams. We don't like know what any of this

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Speaker 1: looks like. And what happened what's gonna happen is we're

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Speaker 1: going to shed the deadweight. And when financial time is

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Speaker 1: being really really hard, is the NBA gonna overfund the

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Speaker 1: everybody's budget gets tight, Like that's that's a legit story.

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Speaker 1: What happens to the G League? What happens to the

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Speaker 1: w n b A. Like, look, if the NBA season

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Speaker 1: as low as the TV numbers are, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: even worse if there's the NBA on TV. And if

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Speaker 1: the Big Three doesn't make it and the w n

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Speaker 1: What happens to the G League? Do they fund this team?

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Speaker 1: So it feels like a big story, and it is,

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Speaker 1: But if i'm college basketball, I'm not sure I overreact.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jalen Green wants to play twelve games and

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Speaker 1: didn't want to play college basketball. That's fine. You can

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Speaker 1: That's kind of the sonny of a Carol idea from

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Speaker 1: So I think the G Legal program is gonna be interesting.

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Speaker 1: Let's see how it plays out before we freak out

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Speaker 1: and say it's the end of college basketball as we

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Speaker 1: know it. Let me get to my conversation with Andy Glockner.

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Speaker 1: Andy Glockner, of course, the author of Chasing Perfection. Be

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Speaker 1: sure to catch the live edition of the Doug gott

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Speaker 1: Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio WAPP.

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Speaker 1: The book is called Chasing Perfection, Behind the scenes look

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Speaker 1: at the high stakes game of creating an NBA champion.

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Speaker 1: Andy Glockner, the author, joins us. He's joined us before,

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Speaker 1: and and Andy Ethans Trouss has a book out now

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Speaker 1: about the Warriors at the beginning and the end of

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Speaker 1: that version of the Dynasty. I don't know we'll get

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Speaker 1: to what you think the next step for the Warriors is,

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Speaker 1: but let's let's start with with this. Um, do you think,

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Speaker 1: like I'm just wondering if if we've closed the book

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Speaker 1: on that chapter of it, did that was the league?

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Speaker 1: Did the league catch up to them? Right? Because when

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Speaker 1: And um, it's not just the use of analytics, but

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Speaker 1: In your mind, the league catch up to the Warriors? Yes,

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Speaker 1: and no, I think the league was going to catch

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Speaker 1: up to the Warriors. And then obviously they added Kevin

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Speaker 1: So you know, we can look at what happened last year,

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Speaker 1: this season obviously was not any semblance of what we

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Speaker 1: as as the NBA has evolved its shot profiles and

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Speaker 1: And the way that the Warriors played and the distinct

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Speaker 1: probably premasure to say people had secured them out. I

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Speaker 1: being all of the media and there's so many different

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Speaker 1: you do a talk show, You're in the media. You know,

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Speaker 1: you have a blog, you have a book. You're in

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Speaker 1: the media, Um do you? But you know part of

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Speaker 1: part of what what what bothered Kevin Durant? And I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he verbal you know, if he if

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Speaker 1: he verbalized it in the in the in the smartest

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Speaker 1: super bothered by quote unquote Steph, you know, like guys

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Speaker 1: Because I don't I don't. I don't know really why

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry. I would say it's fair because I think

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Speaker 1: imagine you'd agree that Kevin Durant bitter basketball player that

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry, Yes all around, Yes, yes with unquestionably. But

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Speaker 1: Does that matter to the perception. Kevin Durant just won

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Speaker 1: that's him from my standpoint when I look at Kevin Durant,

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Speaker 1: and this is just as an outsider. I mean, Ethan

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Speaker 1: stra Alix. You mentioned his brook, he's been in the

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Speaker 1: to me, like Kevin Durant has a bit of an

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Speaker 1: but didn't get the love. Obviously. Now he's hurt and

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Speaker 1: He's now in a third team with with Brooklyn and

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Speaker 1: from Ethan's brook is that Durant is just a hyper

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Speaker 1: title and animals and TV every night. And then a

428
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 1: guy like James Harden, who obviously used to be in

429
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City, comes in as well, and suddenly it's Harden

430
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 1: and Curry, and suddenly it's Janice is the next guy.

431
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,719
Speaker 1: And I think Durant just perpetually ended up as like

432
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,120
Speaker 1: the second or third best guy and never really got

433
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: a chance to take the throne. So you go back

434
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 1: to the situation, then he's like, well, what do I

435
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 1: gotta do to a sin to become like real in

436
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 1: the sense of this reputation, this legacy on leaving and

437
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: what he did was not only joined the Warriors and

438
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 1: and get titles in a way that some people would

439
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: define as as somewhat cheap um, but he destroyed an

440
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City team that was on the verge of its

441
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: own break through, that had the Warriors all but beat

442
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: in the two thousand and sixteen playoffs until Clay went

443
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 1: like that miraculous fourth quarter in Oklahoma City, which if

444
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 1: you watched that game back, you still can't believe Golden

445
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 1: State won that game. I know the result and I've

446
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: watched it again, and I can't believe that Oklahoma City

447
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 1: didn't win that game. So when you come that close

448
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 1: and establishing yourself as the own guy, as the number

449
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: one guy on a contender that took out the seventy

450
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: three wind Warriors and instead you're bail and join them

451
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: and win a couple of titles. You're not gonna get

452
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: to love for that. I'm sorry. Yeah, I think there's

453
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: there's there's other parts to that. Durant was terrible in

454
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,239
Speaker 1: that game. Clay was amazing in that game. Um and

455
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: if and and people forget that the Oladipo trade was

456
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: made prior to Durant deciding to leave like they thought,

457
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: you know, and and again we look at Oladipo now

458
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: through a different lens of it, and they may have

459
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: gotten offered that summer too at Durant State. I don't know,

460
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: I felt like that was possible. I think that was

461
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 1: being banded around. So it wasn't like that with a

462
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: one shot, you know, deal with They were the look

463
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: asked about who figured out Golden State, Well, Oklahoma City

464
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: figured out if you played Ibaka and and Durant at

465
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Speaker 1: the four or five, you're playing like gigantic small ball

466
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Speaker 1: thing that was giving the Golden State everything could handle,

467
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Speaker 1: you know, So they had the key to it. And

468
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: then Durants like, not, man, I'm good, I'm gonna go

469
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: to the Bear. Well, I mean I think he was.

470
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I I think the problem was that that

471
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: team had Steven Adams, you know that you can't shoot.

472
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: You had Andre Robertson it can't shoot and he you know,

473
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: like if you go back and watch the Warriors series,

474
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: everywhere he it was basically like they reguarding three guys

475
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: and having too in the pain and really, Russell Westbrook

476
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: can't shoot either. There was just no room and you

477
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: know you're trying to create kind of trying to create space,

478
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: h for for your stars. Um. I'm sure he probably

479
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 1: you know, he he liked playing for Scott Brooks more

480
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: you like playing for Billy Donovan. I would say that,

481
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, in in one of the things that I've

482
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Speaker 1: learned now, I wish I had done more when I played,

483
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 1: and I did my last year playing played in France,

484
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: would be like you gotta have these open discussions with

485
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: you gotta be you know, you don't want to be

486
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: seen as a guy who tries to manipulate everything and

487
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: make every trade. But I do think that, you know,

488
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 1: had Durant gone into Sam Presty and said, hey, look, man,

489
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: I just I gotta have more space, Like let's figure

490
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: this thing out together, you know, like how does this

491
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: actually work? Um, whereas when you just have the when

492
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: you do the Lebron thing, where people just have to

493
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: read your mind and and create a team out of

494
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: your what they think that you want. Cleveland trying to

495
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: do that several times over to very limited success, and

496
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: I think the Lakers have had some success doing it.

497
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: But he's not somebody who really gives you that much

498
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: of a guidance, you know, like I've been told like

499
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: he didn't even love you don't even necessarily like playing

500
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: with Rondo. But they think because Rondo has hung out

501
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: around him that Rondo's his guys. So they kept Rondo

502
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 1: and it's like, wait, what are we doing here with

503
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: why do we keep Rondo? And he's really not good enough? Um,

504
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: Like the whole thing is fascinated with some of these guys.

505
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: Now you also don't want to go the other way.

506
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, he's pulling all the strings. I just

507
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: think you want to you want to generally work together,

508
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: like one of the things that Fox does on TV

509
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: and on radio, especially with I know with guys like

510
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: Cowherd is you know, they they pick his brain. What

511
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: do you think about this? Like the guys who are

512
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: the most talented, they're gonna find a way to integrate

513
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: them into some, not all, of the decision making, and

514
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Speaker 1: I think that's a that's a flaw of both the

515
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: the team and of some of the players. All right,

516
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: let me a couple more here, go ahead. I'm just

517
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,719
Speaker 1: gonna say that O Palma City team was far from

518
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: perfect as you're describing, but they were still up three

519
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: one in that series and had come off like two

520
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: very convincing home wins in Games three and four, if

521
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: I recalling correctly. So it's like, again, I appeal to

522
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: you as a competitor. I mean, I played Division One

523
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: athletics too, but I didn't play it, Notre Dame, Former

524
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: State and big arenas and that type of stuff. Right, So,

525
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: as a competitor, the Durant thing was weird to me.

526
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: That's the only way it was. It was real, it

527
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: was really it was really weird. It was. It was

528
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: really weird, guys. But but look, we we as I think.

529
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Speaker 1: Here here's the thing. I think Durant's whole thing is

530
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: he reacts way too much. He cares way too much

531
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: what fans think, and he kind of views the world

532
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: through the through the through the eyes of a fan. Okay,

533
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: and because fans he I'm sure he looks and goes

534
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: like fans don't give a shit about any of the

535
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: other stuff. It's just how many titles you have? Right,

536
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: how many titles do you have? And and really like yeah,

537
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: or or even even I mean even if you watch

538
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: inside the NBA, like Barkley has been a good sport

539
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: about it whatever not having a title. Charles Barkley was

540
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: a fucking badass, and like you, he incredible, but he

541
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: does the self deprecating and he lets other people like

542
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: go like, oh, he didn't have titles? Like the idea

543
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: that Draymond Green would ever talk shipped to him. Listen,

544
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: Draymond Green has been been a very important cog in

545
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: the Warriors machine. Um there there There isn't a year

546
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: outside of maybe the even the Houston year where he

547
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: was a shell of himself before he blew out his

548
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: knee and his leg that that Draymond Green would ever

549
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: command minutes over Charles Barkley. But it's because we've become

550
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: this how many titles did you win? And somehow that

551
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: solidifies whether or not you're one of the all time greats.

552
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: And I think that's what Durant you know, the hell

553
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Speaker 1: with the fact that I'm going to a a competitor. Uh,

554
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm a free agent. I can go where I want,

555
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: I can do what I want because if we win

556
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: a title, everybody forgets about the other stuff, which is

557
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: not really the case, especially inside the insular world of

558
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: the sport. Um that that part. But but so, yes,

559
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: what what I want to join it? But I also like, look,

560
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 1: this goes to I don't know, this goes to high school.

561
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: I hate when the high school teams, when guys you know,

562
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: transfer and team up and form these super teams. I

563
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: didn't like when our US World Cup team, like, do

564
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: we really need foreign players who never step foot on

565
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: our soil, didn't grow up here to compete in soccer?

566
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: Why don't we just make soccer? And just because we

567
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: can recruit German German born players that have an American type,

568
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: just because we can doesn't mean we should, right, That's

569
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: the kind of ship that Israel does in basketball, so

570
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: that they can compete and get into the you know,

571
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: the European Championship with the United States. We don't have

572
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: to do that. And I so I I look at

573
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: both sides, like did the Warriors really have to like

574
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: no one's ever said, like, did the Warriors really have

575
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: to go out and get just because you can't? What's

576
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: the what's the Chris Uck? You can drive a car

577
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: with your feet, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

578
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: That's the way I look at it. I real, real quick,

579
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: and I know you want to move on. I will

580
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: defend the Warriors because I think the whole idea of

581
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: team building is to build the best team you possibly can.

582
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it's their responsibility to just

583
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: think about stacking the deck. I think that's what you're

584
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: supposed to do. I think winning every the title every

585
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: year's great for Golden State and potentially not great for

586
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: the NBA, But I don't think that's their responsibility to

587
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 1: worry about that. It's the same attitude, honestly, I had

588
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: about the exact opposite end, which was with Sam Hinky

589
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: and the process in Philadelphia. I think for the Philadelphia

590
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: seventy six ers, they should make whatever decision they think

591
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: is best for the team. But the league wasn't down

592
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: for that because it was actually starting to affect, you know,

593
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: the reputation of the product and attendance at their gains

594
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff. But if I'm at

595
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: the club level, I have no problem with with with

596
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: Joe lake Up and company basically being like, you know what,

597
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna get every great player. We're smarter than you, were,

598
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: better than you, We're gonna win the title for seven

599
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: or three years. Like isn't that what you're supposed to

600
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: him for? Uh? Yeah, yeah, but it's it's a little

601
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: bit like the idea of pure capitalism, like just because

602
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: you can doesn't mean doesn't mean you should. And does

603
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: it feel better? And or maybe is it also sustainable? Right?

604
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: Like was that it? You know? Is that a sustainable model?

605
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: Is it better to compete for for fifteen years than

606
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: it is for four years? I don't. I don't know,

607
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: or five years ever long ago. I'll take the five

608
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: straight finals and then worry about the high lottery takes

609
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 1: they're going to have this year. No, No, I'm not.

610
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if my answer would be the long

611
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: sustainable thing. I just I do think that there's a

612
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of um, you know, like they

613
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: could have protected him a little bit better. They tried,

614
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: and I put I put most of the blame for

615
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: this on Durant. Uh In he suddenly became surly, which

616
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: happened to Lebron when he went to Miami. Right. People

617
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: forget Lebron's first year in Miami was kind of a

618
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: disaster in terms of pr They did that stupid ship,

619
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: they made fun of Dirk during the NBA Finals for

620
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: being sick, and then they end up losing. Um. But

621
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: I do put a little bit of it on the

622
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: Warriors in terms of not painting a clear picture, not

623
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: doing as good a job as they could have, not

624
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: necessarily Steph, because Steph is a guy who always even

625
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: when he left, he always credited Durant and saying, you know,

626
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: he couldn't have done it without him, and he's right. Um,

627
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: I do think the Warriors actually needed Kevin Durant. I

628
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: thought that was that was maybe never said by them initially. Uh,

629
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Speaker 1: there's a little bit of pride because they because remember

630
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: when they won their first championship, the Calves had all

631
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: those the injuries to the to Kevin Love and to

632
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving, and they were very defensive about their path

633
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: through a championship and winning a championship. That that whole

634
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: thing is. You know, I have not read all of

635
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: Ethan's book. I can't wait to do so. But that

636
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: whole thing is fascinating. Let me let me, let me

637
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: fast forward to this all right, So I think you know,

638
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: with with what Fucci said, sports you're gonna come back.

639
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: There's gonna be no fans in the stands. The NBA

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Speaker 1: has to get a season in. What does it look

641
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: like because it's not just that we're gonna have a

642
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: fanless product, but we're gonna have guys of varying degrees

643
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: of shape when eventually they get back together. And I

644
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: just I what do you think? What do you think

645
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: the NBA looks like if they come back and play

646
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: a tournament in July? I mean, my honest answers, I

647
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: don't think it's happening. That's been my consistent position for

648
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: probably a month now. Um, and I really would like

649
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: to toss this out to you as well, like, I

650
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: don't know what the process can be to even hold anything.

651
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: Like you said, there needs to be a ramp up time.

652
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: You know, you hear NBA players saying, you know, you

653
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: need three or four weeks, maybe even six, you know,

654
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: to get in any semblance of game shape. So guys

655
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: aren't getting hurt, you know, so there's a training camp

656
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: requirement that's going to be needed here and at some

657
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: point you have such a distance and dissociation from the

658
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: season that was like, how real is this anyway? I mean,

659
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: I know they need the money, I know they want

660
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: some closure, and it all makes sense, but like if

661
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: you hold a tournament in August or September or October,

662
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: like what does that even in the context of this,

663
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: Like you know, people will go down and be like, well,

664
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, the Bucks win the championship, is that a

665
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: legitimate championship? You're playing the best of three for two

666
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: rounds and doing whatever, and some guy has to sit

667
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: out because suddenly, you know, the virus pops up and

668
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: and suddenly a team's missing a key player and and

669
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: and more so, what is the protocol going to be?

670
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: You know, we're not going to have a vaccine by

671
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: the fall. That's not from all reports, that's not possible.

672
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: So is there mitigation? You know, who's at risk, who's

673
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: signing off on the risk to come back and be

674
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: around these players and physical contact and the referees and

675
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: the game officials and people that have to put this

676
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: on in wherever arenas you're playing, and even if there

677
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: are no fans, I just don't know what that means,

678
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: Like if you're in their current state. If if Lebron

679
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: tests positive for coronavirus one game into a playoff series,

680
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: is he now sitting out for two or three weeks?

681
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: And then, like, what do you do with the rest

682
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: of the guys? Do you have to like? That's what

683
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't understand how this mechanism is supposed to work

684
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: at this point unless people sign off on the risk.

685
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: And I have a hard time believe the players and

686
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: the Players Association are going to do that. But maybe

687
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: money will eventually talk. Well, I'm gonna I take the

688
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: other side, just because I mean, now, now, look, the

689
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: NBA has probably has been affected far more so than

690
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 1: anybody else. Obviously, Carl Town's mom passing away makes it

691
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: so much more real, right when there's somebody who you're

692
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: playing against and you know, and their mother dies from it,

693
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: and and of course they had the initial thing, which

694
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: is the Rudy Gobert Donovan Mitchell thing. Um that that

695
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: part to me. I do think that that will cause

696
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: some guys to pause. But I think a lot of

697
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: these guys think of themselves as impervious to any of this.

698
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: Remember we're talking about probably another month removed, which would

699
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: give us one more testing, maybe an antibody test um,

700
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: and a much better sense of what exactly we're dealing with.

701
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: And I just I just at some point these guys

702
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: are coming at their basketball players there they want to

703
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: play basketball, and not even just about the money, although

704
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: the money is a big factor. What would it look like?

705
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting what we don't. We don't put

706
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: an asterisk by either the Spurs championship in the short

707
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: and season, and I know this is very different from it,

708
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: but we we don't. Uh would it feel different? Sure?

709
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: But like, look, I think the Vegas thing makes a

710
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: whole hell of a lot of sense. You know, you

711
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: you do your training, your your ramp up training, individual

712
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: workouts before so uh while you continue testing, then you

713
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: do a training camp, then you play. I would say,

714
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: you play pool play into a tournament and it would

715
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: be weird, but you know, like most of these guys

716
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: have grown up playing in empty gym's in the past,

717
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: it would just be that you'd find I think you'd

718
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: find out who really what what kind of competitor guys

719
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: really really were, Um, it would be odd, but you

720
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: know that they have to get it in. Not the

721
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: closure idea sounds sounds good on radio and on podcast.

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00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: I think they got Like for Lebron, he's got to

723
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: get it in because how many chances does he have

724
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Speaker 1: win a championship. I think that, you know, Like, I'm

725
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: interested in what the Nets do in another month or

726
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: month and a half. Do they let Kevin Durant play

727
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: did this? Can Kyrie come back and play? Like did

728
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: they take it? They're like, you know, we didn't think

729
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: we had a shot, but fuck it, let's go for it.

730
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: You know, I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued by that. Um, you know,

731
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis would be a free agent at the end

732
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: of this year whenever this year is. I don't think

733
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: he's leaving l A. But there's other players that be

734
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: free agents as well. The Milwaukee Bucks like they have

735
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: two shots of this thing to try and keep. Be honest, Like,

736
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: they gotta want to try and get this thing in,

737
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: don't they. They don't want to, you know, they win

738
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: a championship and that that solidifies them as being honest

739
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: as home one would one would think so, but I

740
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: don't think that any amplic to this beyond just playing

741
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: the season out for what For what you're saying, I

742
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: mean teams both for good reasons and for bad reasons,

743
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: maybe radically different when they come back, and maybe radically

744
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: different after whenever this season year ends, And if you

745
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: don't get a chance to see it out, how do

746
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: you evaluate You mentioned the honest thing. Obviously that was

747
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: a story at various levels of irritating coverage this year.

748
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: You know where people are like, well, where is it

749
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: gonna go? And it's like two years before you know,

750
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: is technically at a contract there, and it's like, yeah,

751
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: if they don't get the chances this year, you know,

752
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: they had the opportunity last year, couldn't get it done

753
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: against Toronto. Looked like the best team for most of

754
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: the season this year, but you know what, they got

755
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: handled pretty pretty well by Lebron in that game right

756
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: before the break, and um, you know, we don't know,

757
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,959
Speaker 1: we don't know if Milwaukee can close the deal again

758
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: this year, and then what you know, so if they

759
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: don't get that opportunity, how does that change the thinking

760
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: both from a team construct what you need to do?

761
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: You know what what holds you trying to feel, you know,

762
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. And then you mentioned, you

763
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: know guys like Lebron, uh, you know, like later in

764
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: their thirties who do not have these opportunities anymore. Yeah,

765
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee, like you said that Anthony Davis is

766
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: going to stay. We all think he's going to but

767
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: we don't know, and there's no guarantee that Lebron will

768
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: be this good ever again, you know, with this type

769
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: of layoff and the aging process, although he seems to

770
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: be relatively in human. So it's just it's it's disturbing

771
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: from that standpoint because you will have an incompletion or

772
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: a an asterisk, so to speak, on the competitive aspect

773
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: of the season. But man, is there a transactional nature

774
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: to all of this and money involved. It's going to

775
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: be really weird to manage no matter how they try

776
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: to conclude this. Mm hm um Okay. Let me let

777
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: me ask you about the Bucks. Since part of your

778
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: book was studying the Hawks, and the Hawks have become

779
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: the Bucks only with better players, right or a better

780
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: a better superstar. And the question has has has been

781
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: like whether it's Buddenholzer or the style or the buying

782
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: analytics or whatever, does it Will it work in the

783
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: in the playoffs? I start by saying this, like I

784
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: love the guys who say, well Moneyball didn't work, well okay,

785
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: and yes Moneyball did need three great pictures with the

786
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: Oakland A's and they needed all those great players that

787
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: that the Red Sox had to beat the Yankees whatever

788
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: in the small samples. But you know, like the idea

789
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: that the A's can can consistently compete with their payroll

790
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: tells you whether you win a championship or not. It

791
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: absolutely works. Um, what are your thoughts on the Bucks

792
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: and this version of what they had, what budd had

793
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: in Atlanta and how ultimately if it could work at

794
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: the very top end of the NBA playoffs. Yeah, I mean,

795
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: first off, moneyball does work. Moneyball with money works even better.

796
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: You know if you if you're smart and have the

797
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: budget like that's that's that's the tirvana. And that's when

798
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: you saw like teams like the Red Sox cashing it

799
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: in right. But at the same extent, um, I think

800
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: there is a little bit of a difference between these

801
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: these box teams and um, that Atlanta team, that specific

802
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: Atlantic team that won sixty games and happened to be

803
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: playing the year that day that I was researching the book. Um,

804
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: as you said, Janice is better than any guy on

805
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: that Atlanta team. So in a star league, you have

806
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: the star, the defending m v P, possibly a two

807
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: time m v P. Um All the metrics suggests that

808
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: this team is not only the best team in the

809
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: league this year, but one of the best teams in

810
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 1: NBA history in terms of scoring margin and how easily

811
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: they're dispatching people. I mean, Janis has sick numbers and

812
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: he's doing in what threaty one minutes a game. I mean,

813
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: the dude like never plays in fourth quarters. There are

814
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: they were always up like twenty five points. So then

815
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: the question is, you know, and you would understand this

816
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: better than I would, how does it translate to the

817
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: playoffs when people can really scheme against you? And what

818
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: can buddenholzerre do now that he's had some real good reps.

819
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean he's been in two conference finals. Now right,

820
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: this is you know, this is not a rookie coach

821
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: in the playoff sense. There's not a rookie team in

822
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: a playoff sense. And you know, people discount certain things

823
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: about Milwaukee but I mean, I love Chris Middleton. I

824
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: think he's a tremendous player. They've got other guys. They've

825
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: shored up the center with the Lopez brothers. You know,

826
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: They've got other guys that are pretty good. I'm a

827
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: little questioning maybe the point guard is a little loose,

828
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: but you know, in general, like you could quipple, But

829
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: I mean, what is there not to like about this

830
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: Milwaukee team other than your life. I don't trust anybody

831
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: until they actually get it done. And to me, that's

832
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: kind of a silly argument, right, like, like nobody gets

833
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: it done until they get it done. Like people were

834
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: saying the same thing about the two thousand fifteen Warriors, right,

835
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: and then they ripped off four, four or three titles

836
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: in five years. So I do think this Milwaukee team

837
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: is very very real. Now does that mean they get

838
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: past Philadelphia and Boston and Toronto and Indiana when it

839
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: just starts up again? I don't even know if they

840
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: would have done that, you know, if the season hadn't stopped.

841
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: So now it's like who knows, Like I'm what you're

842
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: supposed to read about that if Milwaukee crashes out, you know,

843
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: like a three game series or whatever they're gonna do, Like,

844
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: are we're supposed to say like, oh yeah, they couldn't

845
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: get it done. I mean to me, you know what

846
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: when you mentioned about the A's moneyball didn't work because

847
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: moneyball and their application was an application over a hundred

848
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: and sixty two game regular season. It doesn't necessarily apply

849
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: to the variants of the five game playoff series. And

850
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: anybody can lose in the playoff series even in the NBA,

851
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: even if you have the best player. It happens, especially

852
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: in this type of environment. What do I like about?

853
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: But I think what I don't like about the Bucks

854
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: would be that Janice can't shoot um and that and

855
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: that what he's able, it's it's uh, there's some similarity

856
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: is there to staff who can shoot? But it's the

857
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: the ability to be physical in the NBA, Like, look,

858
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: it's two different sports. When once you can put your

859
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: hands on a dude um and really focus on a

860
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: team style. The the NBA is about you having a

861
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: guy who can just sheer force of will be his

862
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: man and then if you have to help, Like what,

863
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: like to me, why are steps numbers, especially in the

864
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: NBA finals, like early on, why are they? Why are

865
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: they down, you know, percentage wise, even volume wise. It

866
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: is because you know, it's the only time in his

867
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: career where guys can put their hands on him. And

868
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: if you can put your hands on staff, you gotta

869
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta shot, you know, at least lowering

870
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: the percentages. And the same thing is true with the

871
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: honest because when you play off him, he gets a

872
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: running start. And I just think, you know the Um,

873
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: I think it's the ability. It's it's the way in

874
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: which the sport is officiated is different in the playoffs,

875
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: especially the further goes in the playoffs, uh than it

876
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: is in in the regular season. And that's why it's

877
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: it's hard to say what it would actually what it

878
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: would actually look like. UM, all right, I have a

879
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: this is the last one I had prepared you for it.

880
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: But I do think it's interesting because you played college

881
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: sports sided you were an editor at at ESPN dot com.

882
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: We wrote the college Basto page, What what a college

883
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: sports look like? We come back and I say that

884
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: not just I'm not talking about time and date and

885
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: financially this is a disaster. This is like for for

886
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: businesses in the media business, for example, like our sales

887
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: are gonna be down, right, We have sponsors, but sponsors

888
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: have to cut their cut their marketing budgets. But the

889
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: expectations would be that at some point time those bounced

890
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: back up, hopefully sooner rather than later, and happy days

891
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: are here again and we all benefit financially from it.

892
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: That's why so many in media and and so many

893
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: executives are taking cut temporary cuts, knowing that right now

894
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 1: it's down, but it's going to come back up. It's

895
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: not really the way it works in college athletics. There

896
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: is no ability to make to make back the money.

897
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: The bills continue, still have the debt service on your buildings,

898
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: you still have to pay the scholarships, you still have

899
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: to pay the coaches, even though right now you won't

900
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: pay the bonuses. And sometimes they're dialing it back and

901
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: when it returns, much like in the business look in

902
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: the business world, lots of places that were borderline in

903
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: terms of making it are gonna go under. That's just

904
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: kind of the nature of business, and it just the

905
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: process gets sped up. We haven't had that in college

906
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: athletics in a long time, really since Title nine. Um,

907
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: what do you think the college sports landscape looks like

908
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: when we get back online. Yeah, there's a there's a

909
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: lot going on there. I think, honestly, everybody was so

910
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: caught up in March Madness being canceled because we enjoyed

911
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: the spectacle and the games. But I think the business

912
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: story there was really underreported, and that was that the

913
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: n A tournament is a huge basically the the revenue

914
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: generator for the n c A, and a huge portion

915
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: of that money is distributed to the colleges to support

916
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: their other athletic programs. And that what was the cut

917
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: on that. I forget the number three, it's like three

918
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: fifty million UM. And then and then the other part

919
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: is like the big conferences, which would have benefited more

920
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: financially from the n c A cut, they also lost

921
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: their conference tournament. So you're you're, you know, you're talking

922
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: about each conference losing, you know, in the twenty five

923
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: million dollar range and each school, you know, Arizona said

924
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a seven point five million dollars at

925
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: least minimum budget shortfall. And then you factor in again

926
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: when we get back online college football season. I don't

927
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: think people understand that the local revenue, local mom and pops,

928
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: the car dealerships, et cetera. Those places can also help

929
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: fund the athletic department and all. That's all the ancillary

930
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: budget right now. Those companies, maybe they haven't gone under,

931
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: but their shares hell not gonna spend money on stuff

932
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: they don't need when they're just trying to make ends

933
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: meet to get to when the economy recovers. Yeah, I mean,

934
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: I think so the urgency. You know, obviously we talked

935
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: about the pro level in the urgency to play a

936
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: season because of the TV money, and that's obviously a

937
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: enormous factor for major conference football in the fall. Right,

938
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: So let's put aside whether people are actually going to

939
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: go to stadiums, which I think at this point is

940
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: very unlikely. It's not impossible starting in late August, um,

941
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: but they're going to have to figure out a way

942
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: the game. Now the question gave you know, we talked

943
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: about basketball and what is the protocol there here you

944
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: have And I know, I know we disagree a little

945
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: bit on the semantics, but let's to the sake of

946
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: this arguments that you have unpaid athletes. I know they're

947
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: paid in scholarship money, but they're not paid in salary um.

948
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: So these are not professional athletes. You have unpaid student

949
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: athletes on campus. They're being asked. Now you have white

950
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: eighty five scholarship players and whoever walk on. These are

951
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: huge operations. There's already conversation about, well, we're not going

952
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: to have in person classes in the fall, but of

953
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: course we can have athletic practice. I mean, who knows

954
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: what the legal ramifications of that are. You start separating

955
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: the in person requirement to be in class than the

956
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: in person requirement to be an athlete on the campus,

957
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, And then there's the photocols of like, well,

958
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: how do you keep the disease from spreading? Well, how

959
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: can we mitigate this? What happens if a team has

960
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: a viral spread, what happens if it happens to coaches,

961
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, their support staffers and older people around these programs,

962
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: to not even talking about the lums, you know, just

963
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, trainers and whoever else is around the program.

964
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: These are not all nineteen year old kids, as Mike

965
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: Dundee was sort of suggesting, So I just I'm really

966
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: having a hard time getting my arms around something really

967
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: successful in the fall. But at the same extent, as

968
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: you're pointing out. From a financial standpoint, these universities have

969
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: to play this football season. They cannot pass on this

970
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: TV money. That would be an epic financial disaster for

971
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: a lot of these colleges. So my best guest would

972
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: be able to be played. I don't know if they'll

973
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: be able to play the games without fans in the fall,

974
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: because you know, three months or four months of a

975
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: lot of time in terms of how this is all

976
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: the delphings COVID. But you know, you're starting to hear

977
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: more rumblings. What about what they played as a spring sport.

978
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: That's something I can see as reasonable, because I don't

979
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: think there's any way these universities can go without the

980
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: TV revenue that's fuel in their departments. I get. I

981
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I could be dead wrong. I I

982
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: don't understand. I don't know. I think people would show

983
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: up at the games. Can do they were allowed in

984
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: certain areas Ryan, which is a whole separate story. Yeah,

985
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: I know, I think that. I don't think it's a

986
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: separate story. I think a biological bomb one of the

987
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: Champions League games over in Europe right before the you know,

988
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: sports I suggested that that was potentially a key episode

989
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: in the Italian outbreak. Um, I could see something like

990
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: that happening, and I think governors are gonna have a

991
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: very hard decision in some of these states to say,

992
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: you know what, we're not back to normal, and you

993
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: guys can't do this even though it's so meaningful to

994
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: you in the community. Yeah, I don't. I just don't

995
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: see that. I think it's starting to become a political

996
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: battle more so than a health battle. And I fully

997
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: understand how, but I just the numbers don't. I can't

998
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: see the numbers supporting I don't know if the I

999
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: don't the numbers don't seem to be supporting keeping this

1000
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: thing shut down into the summer, let alone into the fall.

1001
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. Like I you're saying, you're saying economically, uh,

1002
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: not just economically, but obviously economically, but also like they

1003
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: just they the numbers don't match up. Now. Is is

1004
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: a lot of it the fact that we've done social distancing, Yes,

1005
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: that's a good portion of it. But I just think

1006
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: that we're gonna get You're gonna get to a point where,

1007
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: especially in the markets where college football is more popular, Midwest, Southeast,

1008
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: where people are gonna go this is about politics. I'm

1009
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: going to the game and you already have. You know,

1010
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: Republican governors are like, open it back up. I just

1011
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like Texas and Florida and the Midwest.

1012
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be business as usual. I

1013
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: really really do. And look, the governor is gonna have

1014
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: to wrestle with that, right and I want to I

1015
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: want to make this this commentary for a minute, but

1016
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: as a political as possible. Um, there is a a

1017
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: point where the economic damage and the damage to everyday

1018
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: life is greater than the health risk. Yes, Um, I

1019
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: don't know when that is, and I don't know what

1020
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: will be required to be in place for that decision

1021
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: to be made, right, because you could have a scenario where,

1022
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: especially in in in states where there's less population density,

1023
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: that you're not seeing these same types of disasters, especially

1024
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: in like the New York City. You see the mitigation

1025
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: that was required in a city like San Francisco, or

1026
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: city like Seattle where the initial outbreak happened, and maybe

1027
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: that's not happening to that depth in some of these

1028
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: less population dense areas of states that you know in

1029
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, so happens to overlay against major

1030
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: college football areas. But what happens when you bring all

1031
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: of those people together. I mean, that's why there's this

1032
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: uproar about you know, going to church on Eastern or

1033
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: having these public gatherings, or why conferences are not happening

1034
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: and that type of stuff. So I I think that's

1035
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: a really dangerous and difficult presumption to say, you know what,

1036
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: we've got this thing under control. And I I strongly

1037
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 1: believe we have it under control because everybody's been staying

1038
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: in their house as best we can. That's the only

1039
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: reason we have it under control. And nothing is fun

1040
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: and only changed about our ability at this point to

1041
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: cure this. We've just stopped people from transmitting it to

1042
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: each other. So bringing ninety people back into a stadium

1043
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: and in early September, I don't know a dog I

1044
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: would get against. Yeah, I I don't. I'm I mean,

1045
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: listen and Megan, this is just based upon everything I've read.

1046
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: The fear in COVID was not just over the virus.

1047
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: It was over our ability to um our, ability to

1048
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: have enough hospital beds and ventilators right, and because there

1049
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: hasn't been, because there hasn't been, the spike that many

1050
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: people feared. That's that hasn't happened. But but also, and

1051
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: this is this is I think important, um is because

1052
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: enough of these businesses have transition to making ventilators. I

1053
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: mean again, you fast forward to the fall, and one

1054
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: would think we'd have plenty of ventilators, we'd have more

1055
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: advanced treatment, a better sense of it. We we also

1056
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: have this antibody test. I would guess, you know, we

1057
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: won't have a vaccine, but we'd have an antibody test.

1058
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I just I I think we're

1059
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 1: doing this thing where we're being super super cautious, which

1060
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: is smart and working, but eventually people go all right

1061
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: enough with it. It's a hurricane and it's skimmed the coast.

1062
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Speaker 1: It could have been a fool. We could have gotten

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Speaker 1: the full shot of it. We did not, were more

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00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: prepared for the next time, and we move forward, right

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00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: Because I just I don't believe that that the economy

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00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: and sports is such an intertwined part of our economy,

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Speaker 1: especially these these college campuses, that I don't think we

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00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,959
Speaker 1: can keep them shut down forever. Um And I don't

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00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: agree with that, but I would say that that the

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Speaker 1: mitigation so so as they are. You can't say like, oh,

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00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't that bad only because of all the stuff

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00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: we did, and then say that stuff wasn't necessary. Yeah,

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00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: I think. But that's why we're in a point of

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00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: paralysis right now is because our you know, our first

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00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: solution to this was to flatten the curve, not overwhelm

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00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: our health system and hospitals, and try to reduce the

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00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: spread as we could. But that doesn't eliminate the spread.

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00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: What it does is lengthen it, right, I mean we

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00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: haven't we have we haven't fundamentally figured this out yet.

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00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: And that's to me the point, like, if we don't

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Speaker 1: have an anti viral, if we don't have any mitigation therapies,

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00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: and we don't have a vaccine, well, what happens when

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00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: this spikes back up? What happens when you dip a

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00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: toe into the pool and you start reopening a restaurant

1085
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: or a movie theater and then ten people get sick

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00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 1: or you open up sports and you have eight athletes

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00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: test positive on the team. What does that look like?

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00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: And what is the breath of you know, the the

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00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: expansiveness of the mitigation. What steps do you have to

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00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: unwind at that point. And when it comes to scheduling

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00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: a season, what does that mean? Like you can't just

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00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: be like, oh, we're not playing a football game this

1093
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: week and do that in perpetuity, right, You can't do

1094
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: that in an NBA playoff, you know. So are you

1095
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: treating this like, oh, well, sorry, the guys are injured

1096
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: and you know you're down to three players? And I

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00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: think they call level spec typically because of the relationship

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00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: between the universities and the quote unquote not employees that

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00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: provide the actual athletics service. I think that's even more

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00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: nuanced from a from a legal and risk standpoint. But

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00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: it's the getting COVID is not a death sentence, right,

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00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: Like there's there's twenty five five thousand. People would say otherwise, No,

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00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: I understand, but but like, but in terms of the ratio,

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00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: what is the what is the fatality rate of this,

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00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: of this disease of this We we don't know. And

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00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: that's part of it. I mean, you know, you have

1107
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: wild claims in either direction. It's it's worse than the flu.

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00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: It's not as bad as the flu. I mean, I

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00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: think it is worse than the flu. I think most

1110
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: evidence suggests it's more deadly. But we don't know because

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00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: it's hard to assign to people because there are people dying.

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00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: You know, what is what is the status month in

1113
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: New York City? That two thousand extra unexplained deaths at

1114
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: home in New York City? So what do you assign

1115
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: that to? I mean, is that is that COVID? And

1116
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: now they adjusted the numbers up yesterday to try to

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00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: account for these presumed deaths because we're not testing everybody.

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Speaker 1: I know people here in Denver who have had every

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00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: symptom of COVID and can't get tested for it. Well

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Speaker 1: I would also, there's there's there's there's no new habit

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00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: and sit at home. So what happened to the situation?

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00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: So I don't think we know enough yet dark about

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00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: how dangerous this really is. And we're seeing more and

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00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: more evidence. It might not be as many teenagers, you know,

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Speaker 1: and in the case of college athletes, and it probably

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00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: would not impact a lot of pro athletes because of

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00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: age and physical conditioning and health and all that type

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00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,959
Speaker 1: of stuff. But boy, there are a lot of people

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Speaker 1: around college and pro sports that are in their thirties, forties,

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00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: fifties that would be very much in danger if this.

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Speaker 1: If this reared its head for the wrong people, it's

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00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: gonna I mean, it's gonna be fast, and obviously you

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00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: have to we have to learn more, um, you know.

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00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: And then there's this kind of working hypotheses as to

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00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: whether or not it actually ran through southern California in

1136
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: the in the winter, right, because there's a really bad

1137
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: flu season that that didn't align with with what was

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00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: called the normal flu. And you have sixty ninety flights

1139
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: to China a day, and you know, logic would tell

1140
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 1: you that that somebody had it previously. There's a lot

1141
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: we don't last thing, last question, if this season, if

1142
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: there is no uh conclusion of this season, well Lebron

1143
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: ever win a championship again? Vote yes. I think he's

1144
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: got a couple of good runs left in him and

1145
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: he is still, if not the best player every night

1146
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, he can be the best player

1147
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: when it matters, and I think that matters in India.

1148
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: The book is Chasing Perfection. It's really good. It's very

1149
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: very interesting. Uh. It's written by Andy Glockner. He's a

1150
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: longtime friend of mine. He's a resident now of Denver

1151
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: who is kind of caught in that we are a

1152
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: really good team and a fun team, and we have

1153
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: a unique player that no one else has. But is

1154
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: that enough to win an NBA championship? The answer is

1155
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: probably no. Um. Nonetheless, Uh, you know I've said at

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00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: some point we'll we'll let's do this again and we'll

1157
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: talk about Denver and and uh, and we'll talk about

1158
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: our tourist, cordisialists is now he's the general manager of

1159
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 1: the Bulls and what we we think of that In

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00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: the meantime, though, thanks for joining us, appreciate you spend

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00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: some time. Appreciated Always great tasting up with you, man.

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00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

1163
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Alright,

1164
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: a fun discussion. There's so much unknown, I mean so

1165
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: much unknown. I just I feel like basketball is gonna

1166
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: get back. I feel like we're gonna have basketball without

1167
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: fans to somehow finish up the season. It won't be perfect,

1168
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: but you're making the best of just an awkward, weird situation, right. Um.

1169
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: And then how we view that championship if somebody wins,

1170
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: it is going to be interesting as well. My thanks

1171
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: to Andy Glockner. Of course, you can pick up his book,

1172
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: Chasing Perfection. We will have. We got a cut, more

1173
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: fun podcast upcoming for you. I want to talk more

1174
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: about these guys coming straight out as we get more

1175
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: information on what the G League thing will look like.

1176
00:56:54,680 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: I suspect suspect that what had been playing end for

1177
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: this G League select team won't ultimately come to be

1178
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: because of these changing times. That's just the nature of

1179
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: what happens in every business. But we'll see, We'll see.

1180
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: It's not a money maker, and it's not a money maker.

1181
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: Why the hell are you doing it that? That's what

1182
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: every executive, every small large business, That's what everybody's talking

1183
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: about right now. If you ain't making money, why am

1184
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: I paying you? Right? And especially in the NBA, if

1185
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna cut things, what do you cut? Is it

1186
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: funding towards a G League team that wasn't gonna make

1187
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: anybody money? I don't know. I don't know what the

1188
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: what the answer is because Adam Silver does seem to

1189
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: be a guy who's been convinced that some former fashion

1190
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: of this does need to exist. The crazy part is

1191
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: we still produce the best basketball players in the world,

1192
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: and yet we're trying to change the way we produce

1193
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: those basketball players like we always well, you know, you

1194
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: look at they have, you know, they have this way

1195
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: of doing it with the Australian Institute of Sport, and

1196
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: you look at all these other countries that are producing.

1197
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: But like that's great, but they also don't have the

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00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: a U system, they don't have the high school system,

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Speaker 1: they don't have the college system that we have, which

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00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: has traditionally produced a much greater volume. Does that make

1201
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: it better? I don't know, I don't know. Anyway, you

1202
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: can tweet tweet at me at Gottlieb Show, also the

1203
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: Instagram handle as well at Gottlieb Show and then um

1204
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: you can check out The Doug Gotlip Show daily three

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1206
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1207
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