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Speaker 1: Revere, Revere Dalks.

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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip to tip. This is our lights,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this morning combat. Oh my god, Oh my fing god.

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Speaker 1: MK is back, ladies and gentlemen. It is Monday, the

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Speaker 1: ninth of May twenty twenty two. How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. I am merely one half of

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Speaker 1: your hosting duoll. My name is Luke Thomas. I join

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Speaker 1: you from the capital. That's thought us on needles right

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Speaker 1: here in Washington, DC, joined by my man who is

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Speaker 1: head to toe in sweats because he's old, because he's washed,

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Speaker 1: and he just loves comfort. He's the Viceroy of Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: He's my friend in yours. It's Brian Campbell. Hi BC.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? Luke?

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Speaker 2: It was great to spend you know, four or five

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Speaker 2: days from you with you and the the U and

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Speaker 2: the beautiful armpit that is Jersey City. And shout out

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Speaker 2: to our great merch master, our j dunkle Maker for

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Speaker 2: sharing these all the smoke jams with us. Luke, I'm

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Speaker 2: forty three years old and I'm wearing a full and

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Speaker 2: I'm wearing a full body matching sweatsuit right now. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's what I'm talking about, all right.

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Speaker 1: R right, bro. They gave us these things. They're from

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Speaker 1: all the smoke, right. So there's these like gift boxes

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Speaker 1: that they have. This is what it looks like. It's

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Speaker 1: got all this like logoing on the front. There are

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Speaker 1: part is they only made four hundred and twenty of them.

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Speaker 1: And this is the certificate of authenticity. This is four

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Speaker 1: eighteen of four to twenty BC.

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Speaker 2: And I think that if you read the fine print,

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Speaker 2: I think you can roll that certificate up and smoke it.

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Speaker 2: I think that's part of the gimmick. But Luke, I

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Speaker 2: have to say this. A lot of MVPs this weekend,

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Speaker 2: from you know, Dmitri Bevall to our fans who sat

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Speaker 2: with us, I don't know for about eight hours as

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Speaker 2: we did live drunken entertainment. But you know who was

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Speaker 2: the MVP of the MVP Luke Neon Dion, the barber

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Speaker 2: from Jersey Cities, whatever the name of that that that

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Speaker 2: barbershop is etiquette barbershop. Excuse me, Luke, I don't want

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Speaker 2: I look, and I feel about fifteen years younger. Luke,

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to take over America. In fact, if if

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Speaker 1: All right, Hey, listen, I told my wife I might

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Speaker 1: just start getting my haircuts in Jersey City. Now. The

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a discount for you, bro, it's a discount.

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Speaker 1: For you, dude, it's half off for me. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: best part about Dion was that he also goes by

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Speaker 1: the name Albanian Damien, which is just great. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It just works out so well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, does he have tattoos of dead children hanging

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Speaker 2: on his nipple? No, but he's you know, he's he'd

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Speaker 2: be welcoming the two nine just the same. Shout out

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Speaker 1: Shout to me. My wife loved the haircut and it

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Speaker 1: was great and he was awesome, and thanks everyone who watched.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the you know listen, that was our first foray

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Speaker 2: Everybody has thought we made a mistake mixing you know,

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Speaker 2: alcohol with analysis, Luke, but uh, you know, you like Sully,

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Speaker 1: All right, So on the show today, you guys know

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Speaker 3: It's the holy Trinity of MMA. I got Brian over here,

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Speaker 3: is gonna be a lot of fun. Very thankful that

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Speaker 2: You've got Klaus to the left of you, ab and

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Aaron, before we get started, you were

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Speaker 3: It was a great fight week, and of course the

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Speaker 3: That wasn't a great matchup in terms of potential fireworks,

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Speaker 1: Then we'll start with you, Erin. We'll pitch the first

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Speaker 1: here if we can with topic number one? All right,

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Speaker 1: So what we have, uh, your main event, Charles Olivera

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Speaker 1: I want to get to the broader details in just

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Speaker 3: Well, Charles Olivera is just a brilliant mixed martial artist.

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Speaker 3: I asked him backstage after the fight. I said, was

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Speaker 3: If Justin Gaigchee, I was asking all these questions about

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Speaker 3: the ex's and o's. If Justin Geage knocks you down

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Speaker 3: give you more creative license on the feet If Justin

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Speaker 3: Gaichee is not going to be able to take you

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Speaker 3: And he basically looked at me and said, no, the

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Speaker 3: strategy was just to beat Justin Gai Chee Like. He

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Speaker 3: if you would have gone into the fight with that

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Speaker 4: But he's just become so good at.

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Speaker 3: Adapting on the fly, to figuring out what his opponents

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Speaker 3: to capitalize on that, and to find these little openings

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Speaker 3: that's why I thought Justin Gaige was going to be

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Speaker 3: the worst matchup for him in the division. If he

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Speaker 2: Aybre we start believing that this is now a trap

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Speaker 2: lightweight division, which is go ahead, touch me to the head.

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Speaker 2: In the first round. You know, I may even take

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Speaker 2: Do you think that this stretch of all killer, no

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Speaker 2: filler stoppages against the action heroes of our lightweight current

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Speaker 4: But what are you gonna do to this guy?

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Speaker 3: Like, what's your strategy gonna be against Charles Olivera Because

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Speaker 3: the closest thing that I can think of is how

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Speaker 3: Paul Felder beat him. You get him on the ground

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Speaker 3: and you just try to stay out of trouble. But

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Speaker 3: right now, he's gotten so much better since that fight.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how long's Paul felt have been retired for.

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Speaker 3: He's been retired for a year, That's how long ago

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Speaker 3: that fight in Detroit was. I just don't know what

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Speaker 4: He's got a lot of submissions of his own that

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Speaker 3: But do you really want to try to take Charles

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Speaker 3: good everywhere now that I just don't know what strategy

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Speaker 4: Implement to try to beat this guy again.

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Speaker 3: I thought Geychie was the toughest matchup for him left

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Speaker 3: in the division, and he dispatched Geichee like nobody else

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll say this two things that stood out

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Speaker 1: He had sort of noted that like if you look

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Speaker 1: lot of the opponents, Paul Felder notwithstanding, don't even want

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Speaker 1: to follow. Dannis Sigurta had described it as the guy

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Speaker 1: the mat, he will elect to just go to his back,

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Speaker 1: no one's going to follow that. Contrast that with when

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Speaker 1: I mean he snatched it up with a quickness. So

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Speaker 1: But then when he pulled away he would get hit

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Speaker 1: is Paul Felder's success was not an accident because you

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Speaker 1: You have to kind of go into it. But of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think he's gotten so much better since

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Speaker 3: I got a knockdown against Charles OLIVERA wasn't a knockdown

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Speaker 3: At this point in time, he hasn't thought anybody close

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Speaker 2: You're right. And the thing that is so dangerous about

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Speaker 2: a little bit. I love me so justin Gaigee, and

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Speaker 2: and said, damn, this guy's underrated as shit. How come

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Speaker 2: lack of a competent submission game, not only the thing

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Speaker 2: that's holding back Gaichee from from fulfilling its potential, but

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Speaker 2: is it actually shit against these elites? I mean, Habib

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Speaker 2: against OLIVERA. But I missed it. I missed that there

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Speaker 3: It's hard to really tell, right, because he was rocked

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Speaker 3: As soon as that, I got to the ground. As

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Speaker 4: Oliver does to me.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, he's the most opportunistic fighter we've ever

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Speaker 3: But if you give him and she's going to take

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Speaker 1: Why is there? So this was I had been sleeping

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Speaker 1: Oliver can really win this. Because I've been so wrong

433
00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,720
Speaker 1: about him so many times, I finally had a wake

434
00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,600
Speaker 1: up call. Now, my theory has always been that because

435
00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,360
Speaker 1: we've seen him in lesser states when he was kind

436
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,879
Speaker 1: of flaky as a younger athlete missing weight. Now, granted

437
00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,439
Speaker 1: was the one forty five, This one, I don't even

438
00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,159
Speaker 1: know what to say it anymore, but certainly at one

439
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,080
Speaker 1: forty five there was no doubt there. He wasn't It

440
00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,320
Speaker 1: was a difficult cut and he wasn't managing it properly.

441
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:06,920
Speaker 1: And maybe you shouldn't have been there for a long time.

442
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,200
Speaker 1: And to your point, Paul Felder and a million of

443
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,119
Speaker 1: the Max Holloway fights, we'd seen him kind of just

444
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,720
Speaker 1: crumble before. Now we see him hurt but resilient. To

445
00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 1: what do you attribute that change, Because we can talk

446
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,200
Speaker 1: about all of the changes to his offense, but that's

447
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,520
Speaker 1: a little something different.

448
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I have no idea, Like, I just don't

449
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,680
Speaker 3: know how he's gotten to be so resilient. Like you said,

450
00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,600
Speaker 3: that's the perfect word for it, because he seems to

451
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,399
Speaker 3: get tagged in every fight and it just seems to

452
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 3: make him stronger. It's like the glover at the share

453
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,880
Speaker 3: of school, where you think you've got this guy hurt

454
00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,440
Speaker 3: and he's able to just completely flip turn the table

455
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,919
Speaker 3: on you. And I don't know where it came from, honestly,

456
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 3: because I've been the biggest Charles olivera mark ever. I

457
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,359
Speaker 3: hate to say that because we're not supposed to be

458
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,920
Speaker 3: fans of fighters, but I've been saying for eight to

459
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,560
Speaker 3: ten years that this guy's the most fun guy to

460
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:55,200
Speaker 3: watch in MMA.

461
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:56,920
Speaker 4: You know, I did I think he was going to

462
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 4: enter this level.

463
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,359
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody did, and I can't say to

464
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 3: you with a straight and I thought that he'd be

465
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 3: an elite champion one day. But in terms of just

466
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 3: absolute fun to me, him and Justin Geigchie were actually

467
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,160
Speaker 3: my top two and that's why I loved this fight

468
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 3: so much. They are my top two fighters to watch

469
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,879
Speaker 3: from an entertainment standpoint. And I mean, we saw what happened.

470
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 3: It's instant fire works, very easily. I thought the best

471
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 3: fight of the night. Unfortunately didn't get the bonus because

472
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 3: Charles missed wait. But I just think that he's become

473
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 3: so well rounded, so elite everywhere. His wrestling has evolved

474
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 3: so much, as striking has evolved so much. He was

475
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 3: outstriking justin Gaichee. Now, I think that part of that

476
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,639
Speaker 3: is because Gaiechee had to worry about the takedowns and

477
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 3: worry about the submission game and that opened things up.

478
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Speaker 4: But he was outstriking. I think he was clearly outstriking

479
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 4: him too, and I know he got tagged.

480
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 3: But man, Charles Olivera has just become such a complete

481
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 3: miss martial artist and it's been such a joy to watch.

482
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that he just moves into the difficulty

483
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 1: rather than getting away from it is remarkable. Go ahead,

484
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 1: we see.

485
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say. You know, when you look at

486
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 2: where does Olivera go from here? You know it's a

487
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 2: large discussion that's got many branches on the tree. Whether

488
00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 2: it's a commercial reward, whether it's freaking you know, uh

489
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 2: Islam Mahachev right now to figure it out. But you know,

490
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 2: during this run, we start going damn, it's kind of

491
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 2: a shame that we never got to see him fight Abib.

492
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,679
Speaker 2: It's kind of a shame that those two have lingered,

493
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 2: you know, in and around the same way class for

494
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 2: a long time, but it never happened. But this stretch

495
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 2: of dominant finishes, I think is bringing that discussion, you know,

496
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 2: even faster back to the forefront. And certainly if he

497
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: does end up face if Olivera does end up facing Mahachev,

498
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 2: with Habib in that corner, there you have your your

499
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 2: pre fight column to write, you know, for every website

500
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Speaker 2: around the country. But as you look at it right now,

501
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: do you think we missed it? This whole time? We

502
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 2: thought it was Ferguson that was the one that could

503
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 2: you know, figure habib Ou? Is it really Olivera now,

504
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 2: at least mentally in the mythical matchmaking sense, because I

505
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 2: do not believe we're ever going to see a bee back.

506
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 2: Do you lament that as much as I do now?

507
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 2: Quickly going damn, that's that's the fight. That's the one

508
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 2: right there.

509
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Speaker 3: You can find a tweet from me three years ago,

510
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Speaker 3: and it was when Charles Olivera's ranking probably nine or ten,

511
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 3: and I said, and Charles, I guess I just want

512
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 3: to fight.

513
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't.

514
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 3: I don't know what the context was, but I said,

515
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 3: I know he's nowhere near the championship right now, But

516
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,719
Speaker 3: to me, Khabib versus Charles Olivera would be an incredible

517
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 3: stylistic matchup. And people, of course we're responding like you're

518
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 3: you're crazy, blah blah blah. I mean again, Charles was

519
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: like barely in the top ten at that point in time.

520
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 3: But the reason for that is because if you take

521
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 3: Abib's skill set and you take Olivera's skill set, and

522
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 3: we've never really seen Kabib in any real submission trouble,

523
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: so I can't say definitively that Charles would be the

524
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Speaker 3: guy to beat him. But man, would that be a

525
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 3: fun fight to watch. I mean, just Kabib's stellar top control,

526
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 3: his suffocating ground and pound against the guy as innovative

527
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 3: as Charles Olivera. I mean, we're never gonna see it,

528
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Speaker 3: I don't think. I mean, maybe if if Charles beats

529
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Speaker 3: Islam and then calls out Kabib, who's sitting cage, he

530
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 3: could he could invigorate Kabib to a point where he

531
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Speaker 3: has to he has to swallow his pride and come

532
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 3: out of retirement to show the young man a thing

533
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Speaker 3: or two. But I just don't know how we would

534
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Speaker 3: see that fight. Yeah, I just would love to see it, though,

535
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 3: I mean just from an ex as another standpoint, it

536
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 3: would be such absolute delight to see.

537
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 4: How that would play out.

538
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, November, go ahead, we see it.

539
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 2: Let me just put a final button on that and

540
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: say it was November sixteenth, twenty nineteen when Aaron Broadstadter

541
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Speaker 2: tweeted quote, I'm not suggesting that it gets booked or

542
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 2: that Olivera is even close to title contention, but Habiba

543
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: Olivera would be an interesting stylistic matchup. And Fuckeddana White.

544
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

545
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: I don't really know where the h M.

546
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Speaker 4: Whywe But you know, I don't know why you.

547
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Speaker 2: Would include that at the end. It's not like he

548
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: you know, he's not like he put you in that

549
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: video at all. So it's like, you know, what do

550
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: you where? Where's the scrudge coming from? But you know

551
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 2: it's you, that's you, bro.

552
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 4: What I would make though, is that wasn't in that

553
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Speaker 4: video the fame the video which.

554
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Speaker 1: Somehow I managed to escape the wrath of that video

555
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: as well. But the thing about getting back to this conversation,

556
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Speaker 1: is I had previously suggested, Wow, I think you know,

557
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: Olivera might have be a tough fight for Islam. And

558
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Speaker 1: I had a lot of people this is long before

559
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Speaker 1: last or Saturday night. Folks are like, oh, that's crazy.

560
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Speaker 1: Now I'm like, looking at it, I'm thinking, that's not

561
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: crazy at all. You have to imagine they would want

562
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: to pursue control positions, probably from the back that they

563
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: usually do risk control and like you know, more like

564
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: wrestling rides for ground and pound. They just kind of

565
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: wither him out that way. But like, here's a serious question.

566
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: I mean this, and the answer is probably no, But

567
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: it's worth thinking about. If all of Era is the

568
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: number one contenders we imagine him to be and he

569
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Speaker 1: fights Islam, let's imagine a world where he smokes Islam. Okay,

570
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: now that may not be having at all, but let's

571
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Speaker 1: imagine that world. If he goes in there and devastates him,

572
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: chokes him out from the back. Is there at all

573
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Speaker 1: a reasonable possibility, a reasonable possibility that that pulls Habib

574
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Speaker 1: out of retirement. Is there anyone show of hands who

575
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: believes that smoking Islam by Olivera could could produce that

576
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: result anyone.

577
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

578
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: No, Look you know me, I have to make it

579
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 2: blood and guts pro wrestling. If if Charles, you know,

580
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: beat the bags off of Islam and like hurt him

581
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 2: and like left him in a pile of blood, out cold,

582
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: Rocky four style should have thrown in that towel Balboa.

583
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: That's the scenario, Luke, and that's it.

584
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: That's it, Bro and ab what do you think? Yeah?

585
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

586
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 3: But I think that whoever's advising Charles Olivera going into

587
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 3: that fight should tell him that if you do smoke

588
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 3: Islam Makashev, you point your finger at Kabib and you

589
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 3: call him out, because that's the one and only way

590
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 3: you're going to settle this debate.

591
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 4: And Tarlos Olivera doesn't really seem like the type of

592
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 4: guy to do that.

593
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: Probably not all right, So then let's ask this broader

594
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: question rather than sort of what's next, because it could

595
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: be McGregor, it could be Islam, who the hell really knows,

596
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: But I'll.

597
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 2: Say Chandler, bro could be a lot of people.

598
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: If we're really could Chandler see like, what do we

599
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: feel like? Is the power rankings? My power rankings would

600
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Speaker 1: be Islam next. Uh, probably McGregor's second. Whether or not

601
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: that's deserving, it's not the argument I'm making. I'm really

602
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: making an argument about probability. I'll go Islam one, Connor two,

603
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: and then maybe Chandler three. What would be your power rankings,

604
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: Aaron bron Setter, Well, for.

605
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 4: Me, I think it would be Islam.

606
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: I think is the definitive number one, But I have

607
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: a lot of trouble writing off Banil der USh. I

608
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: think I would put Baniel de Ryusha too. He's got

609
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: fantastic striking, he's got incredible BJJ. I think from a

610
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: matchup standpoint, him and Charles will be a great fight.

611
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 3: And then number three. You know, I just don't know

612
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: if McGregor every wants to make fifty five again. That's

613
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: the thing that makes me hesitant to look at at

614
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: McGregor as you know, a potential opponent for him. But

615
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 3: the way that I would match make the division from

616
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: here is I would do Islam versus Oli Era, I

617
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 3: would do Baniel der USh versus Chandler, and I would

618
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: do Dustin versus Justin two. That's the way that I

619
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 3: would book the division.

620
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 4: If you gave me the book God.

621
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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I love a lot of what you're saying

622
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 2: there the dust and justin match just got me fired

623
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: the hell up. But Aaron, part of you saying that

624
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: you believe and look, we all know could be Connor,

625
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: as Luke said, but but you believe it should be

626
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: and maybe even could be Islam. I have felt a

627
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: hesitation from Dana White at every turn publicly to reward Islam.

628
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: You know, despite having a streak that really in any

629
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: other division, any other time, he's the next title contender.

630
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: Yet we're seeing him link to Benil rumors, and you know,

631
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: I go. I don't know why I go to extremes,

632
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: but I do. And you know, I'm wondering if this

633
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: is Dana holding it against Habiban saying, you know, we're

634
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: gonna hold your boy back and make him jump every fence,

635
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: because this should be you in there right now. I

636
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: don't tend to believe you agree with that, but I

637
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 2: think there's some kernels in there and that in that

638
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: ship pile I just gave you.

639
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: I think the RDA thing is what soured the UFC

640
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: on Benil. He came out or sorry on Islam. Pardon me,

641
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: he came out and said, oh, I'll take the fight

642
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 3: at one seventy. I'll take the fight against RDA, and

643
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 3: then they it never came together. And I think that

644
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 3: the UFC, I don't know if they came to him

645
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: and said, okay, we'll book it, but you're gonna be

646
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 3: making the same money as you did against Bobby Green

647
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Speaker 3: and there was I have no idea what happened behind

648
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: the scenes, but what I will say is it seemed

649
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: like that is what soured everybody on Islam. But I

650
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: think that they need to get over that. I think

651
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: that if you're going to book a big event in

652
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: Abu Dhabi in October, that's the title fight you book,

653
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 3: you book Olivera versus Islam. And like I said, I

654
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: think it kind of does a service to Islam because

655
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: I don't think Islam has fought anybody who's really had

656
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: the resistance that Charles Olivera will give him to this date,

657
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 3: you know, to this point in time, who's his best win?

658
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 4: Is it Dan Hooker?

659
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: You know, and nothing against Dan Hooker, but if you're

660
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 3: looking at the very top of that division, there are

661
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: tiers to the lightweight division, and he has not fought

662
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: a Tier one lightweight as of yet.

663
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Speaker 1: The only thing I would say in contrast to that,

664
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Speaker 1: though Aaron, would be you, sometimes I'm not even saying

665
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: you're wrong, per se, but the other way to look

666
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: at that might be right. But sometimes we go down

667
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: that Tony Ferguson path, not this one, but the one

668
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: pre tripping over the wire, where it's just like, okay,

669
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: one more a r one more, all right, one more,

670
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: and you kind of get lost in that one moreness

671
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: rather than being like, look, we got to defend this title.

672
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: Who's done the best at this point? Yes, could there

673
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: be a more full throat of development process, No argument

674
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: there could, But we got to keep the training of

675
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: the chains moving. He's next in line. Let's just let

676
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: it happen. I mean Tyler Santos. Granted it's a very

677
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: different division women's flyweight, but she's ranked fifth now. Grant

678
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: if Schifcheko has blown through everybody else, But I'm just

679
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: saying sometimes it is just the next man up. Islam

680
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: certainly seems to have that placement.

681
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I agree with you. That's why I don't

682
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: think they're gonna make the Benil fight. I think that

683
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: they need to keep the division moving because there's nobody else, Like,

684
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: there's nobody else that you could put Charles Olivera against

685
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: right now. So I think that you know Charles wants

686
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: to be an active champion. I think that that's a

687
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: perfect main event for the October card if we're going

688
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: to do something big in Abu Dabi.

689
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: I think you guys have missed how much of a

690
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: company man Michael Chandler has been. You guys, as much

691
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: as we all agree, we would not be surprised if

692
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: Connor got the call, because that's business under that same

693
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: silo of thinking. If Chandler gets the rematch, I mean, dude,

694
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: Chandler cut that pro wrestling promo on McGregor, but the

695
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: first half of it he didn't know who, of course,

696
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: was going to win. That main event was a promo

697
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: on getting a rematch for the title against the winner

698
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: of that fight, either one the last two guys he

699
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: lost to. I mean, if you guys are as willing

700
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: as I am to say, if that's what Dana wants,

701
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: he'll make the McGregor fight. What if Dana wants Chandler.

702
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: He's been everything the UFC would want out of a

703
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: model employee in the time he's been here. He just

704
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: blew away Tony in spectacular fashion, which was really a

705
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: stay busy. You're telling me they might not want to

706
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: put in Chandler Olivera too, because all you have to

707
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: do is play that footage of the first round with

708
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: Chandler dropping and nearly finishing him. I'm telling you don't

709
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: overlook that in the war room. Bro Okay, I don't

710
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: know if no, you know, I don't know.

711
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 4: How you could do it.

712
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: I mean, he's one and one since losing to Olivera.

713
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 3: It's not like he's on some sort of run. Islam's one,

714
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: what nine to ten in a row, like guy's on

715
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: a massive streak right now. I just think optically it

716
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: wouldn't be a great move. But they don't care about everything.

717
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: Oh no, they care about optics. They don't care about

718
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: optics in the ways that sometimes we imagine they would.

719
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: They don't care about optics in the way that like

720
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: sometimes we expect. But there are certain ways. They don't

721
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: like being presented, and they don't mind being accused of favoritism.

722
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: But they do mind being accused of like incompetence or

723
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: like gross misjudgment. They don't like that at all, and

724
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: so if it's not like giving Channer would be the

725
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: titles shot would be some crime. But to bron Setter's point, dude,

726
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: like there are a lot of deserving guys well ahead

727
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: of Chandler. Plus, but folks, if Chandler somehow goes McGregor

728
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: into a fight at one seventy, we haven't even talked

729
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: about that, that fight would be fucking incredible and a

730
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: plus a point moview. People want to see Chandler give

731
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: a spark to something, and that's a spark to something new,

732
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: correct Aaron.

733
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that, and I think we

734
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: have to look at the facts here. With that win,

735
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: it was such a great highlight, probably the knockout of

736
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: the year, or at least i'd say tied with Molly

737
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: mccanner in the mix with Molly mccanner the knockout of

738
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: the year. But let's be real, Ferguson hasn't won a

739
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: round in the previous three fights. He's on a three

740
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: fight losing streak, and he won the first round against Chandler.

741
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: So great knockout and everything, but I just we have

742
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: to look at what we have in front of us,

743
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: and I just don't think the Chandler's back yet. I

744
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: don't think that he's quite there for the next title shot.

745
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: And I love Michael Chandler, and I love what he's

746
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: done to the UFC and how he's shaking up that vision.

747
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: I just I don't know if they could make that fight.

748
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: And I think that if you take Chandler and you

749
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: put him in an exciting fight, like there's that McGregor

750
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: fight that came up, although it doesn't seem to me

751
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: like McGregor's gonna fight until the end of the year,

752
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: I personally think that a fight with Darren Usch is

753
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: the fight to make.

754
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 4: I just think that would be such fireworks like that.

755
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 4: That's a Cantonus fight in my opinion.

756
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: Are you talking about Chandler when Poorier is out there, Bro,

757
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: it's gotta be Chandler Poorier next.

758
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: If he'll get old, we'll get the chance. We'll get

759
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: to Chandler in just a second. But let's wrap up

760
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: this conversation with olivera is as follows. If he comes

761
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: back and beats Islam, who again what we widely regard

762
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: as probably the guy who's going to get it, probably

763
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: the guy who does deserve it. If he goes in

764
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: there and that's absolutely steam rolls him again, we're positing

765
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: that scenario. Where does that put ola Vera on all

766
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: time lightweight champions because I gotta tell you that streak

767
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: would be twelve in a row. As you guys all know,

768
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: if he finishes Islam, that would be just another incredible

769
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: uh you know, feather in his cap. He would have

770
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: obviously getting his belt back, that would have been he

771
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: would have made weight. Aaron, give me your sense of

772
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: I know we have these goat conversations too early. I'm

773
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: not trying to have that, but merely where would it

774
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: place him. It either puts him at the top or

775
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: pretty damn close.

776
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: He'd have the best lightweight resume of all time, hands down.

777
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: The problem is if people are trying to assess, like

778
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: you said, legacy conversations, goat conversations. Habi barely lost around

779
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: in his UFC career. He's retired undefeated. That's always gonna

780
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: be a tough mountain to climb. If you want to

781
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: prove that you're the greatest of all time, when you

782
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: have whatever seven eight losses on your record, like Olivera does,

783
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: these people are gonna look at the entire body of work.

784
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: But in terms of strength of schedule, I think even

785
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: right now you can put Olivera up there with Kabib.

786
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: He has missed way five times though, so let's not

787
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: act like that didn't happen. But to Luke's point of God,

788
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: if he goes out there, forget even finishing. If he

789
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: goes out there and beats a fight of this on

790
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: fire and destructive as Islam with Habib in his corner,

791
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: which just adds to I mean, dude, it's gonna be

792
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: hard to keep him out of any discussion. But I

793
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: don't know, man, I feel like it's wide open in

794
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: terms of who's next for all of these guys, and

795
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: it's a great spot to be in a few of

796
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: the UFC. But I can't, I really can't put any

797
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: kind of confidence in any direction because I feel like

798
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: there are so many options on the table.

799
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: Fair enough, all right, let's move to topic number two. Now,

800
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: this is boy. This was a terrible fight. I rewatched

801
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: it today. I was like, Wow, this was really really bad.

802
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. The co main event, Rose nama

803
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 1: unis basically giving up her title to Carlos Sparza. There's

804
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about what the fight means for

805
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: both competitors, But let's start with the judging. Aaron Bronsteader,

806
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: two questions for you. Number One, what is the best

807
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: argument for a Rose nama Unis win if there is one,

808
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: because obviously she lost the decision. Two, there was a

809
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: lot of discussions about whether or not these rounds are

810
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: ten ten rounds. I will say affirmatively they are not

811
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: ten ten rounds, not even really close to being ten

812
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: ten rounds. How do you assess this broader discussion of

813
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: how the judging worked and then the ten ten round

814
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: in particular, Well, I think you.

815
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 4: Can make a case that Rose won that fight.

816
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: It just there was so little that happened, such a

817
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 3: small sample size to draw from, that you really could

818
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 3: have scored it either way. So if you scored it

819
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: for Rose, I have no problem. If you scored it

820
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: for Carl, I have no problem. Because you have to

821
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 3: judge such little data that you have to make these

822
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: determinations based on things that probably the people watching on

823
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 3: TV can't even see with the naked eye, Like if

824
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: you're sitting cage side, you can probably gauge the impact

825
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: of those four strikes each landed in the first round

826
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: more than the television viewer. Now, in terms of the

827
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: ten ten there are some people in this industry who

828
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: I respect deeply, like BC Bedo Komodo. A lot of

829
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 3: people saying that those were ten ten rounds. They're not

830
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: ten ten rounds. Then let me just explain why and

831
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 3: why the ten ten rounds is a real unicorn in MMA.

832
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 3: And I had the pleasure of actually coincidentally on Saturday

833
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 3: morning sitting and having breakfast with Mark Goddard for about

834
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 3: two hours where we just talked about the legislative side

835
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 3: of things, officiating, judging, etc. And I was able to

836
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: pick his bane. And I've also taken Mark Goddard's course,

837
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 3: which I would highly recommend. If you want more information

838
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: on how fights are judged, you can go to his

839
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 3: website and watch his course and it's the amount of

840
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: information like I went from here to here in terms

841
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 3: of my knowledge of scoring after watching, I took.

842
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: It to I recently just took it as well.

843
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 4: I co signed, but go ahead, Yeah, it's excellent.

844
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: So if you are interested in how fights are scored,

845
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: I would highly recommend you know, putting out a couple

846
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: of Den narrows and buying that course. So in terms

847
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 3: of a ten ten round, this is how you would

848
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: score around ten ten. So let's say that the two

849
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: of them didn't throw a single strike in that entire

850
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: round unless they stood uniform and didn't move at all,

851
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: that's a tent that there's no ten ten round. If

852
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 3: one of them took two steps forward, you would give

853
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: the run to that person. Because if we go to

854
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: the secondary criteria, the judges are tasked with scoring what

855
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: they have in front of them. So if it's four

856
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 3: strikes a piece, like the first round was for significant strikes,

857
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 3: they have to judge who landed the better of those

858
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: four strikes, whose four strikes were better, which were more

859
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: immediately impactful, which did more damage. That's what they have

860
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: to judge, and that's why are judges, and they have

861
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 3: to process that information in front of them. The only

862
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: time you would really see a ten ten round, maybe

863
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: not the only time, but the only time you should

864
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: see a ten ten round for the most part, is

865
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 3: if fight goes into the third round of a three

866
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: round fight, and let's say a low blow is landed

867
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: in the first, an unintentional low blow is landed in

868
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 3: the first, twenty seconds or an unintentional ipoke is landed

869
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: in the first twenty thirty seconds, maybe even first minute

870
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: and a half, and the judges have to render a

871
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: technical decision because the fighter cannot continue and they don't

872
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 3: have enough data to determine who won that round. That's

873
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: really the only time where you would see a ten

874
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 3: ten round score. It's really a unicorn in terms of MMA.

875
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 3: If you can find a ten ten round in history

876
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: since the new criteria, I challenge you to do so,

877
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: because that's really the only way that a round would

878
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: be considered ten ten based on the criteria that we have.

879
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: Folks, folks, sorry, you go ahead.

880
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: I was just saying, this is a massive disappointment in

881
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: the fight, not living up to expectations, but to be

882
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: even more fair, the performances of both. To be honest,

883
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: like it felt, I felt a bad feeling in my

884
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: stomach seeing as spar Asa get the title around her

885
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: waist when in theory she didn't do anything to earn it.

886
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: Now that that isn't a response by me in replacement

887
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: for saying I believe that Rose should have won. You know,

888
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: I said after the fight on Saturday that any champion

889
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: really in any combat sport, when you don't do enough

890
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: to leave no doubt and you leave it up to

891
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: the judges, especially in a fight like this in which

892
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: nothing happened, you have no room to complain. But if

893
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna try to get inside the mind of Rose

894
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: to try to decipher why this happened, I did see

895
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: that tweet. I didn't watch the broadcast live, so I did.

896
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: I can't confirm it, but that Trevor Whitten may have

897
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: told her after round four that she was up four

898
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: to nothing, and maybe that was part of her mindset there,

899
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: but I think overall this was a major miscalculation on

900
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: her and her team's part, And I'm wondering if it

901
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 2: became something that we sometimes see of champions in combat sports,

902
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: where they may have been our they may have been

903
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: through the wars before, and now they're the champion, and

904
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: sometimes the mindset shifts to let me neutralize what my

905
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: opponent does well, and I think sometimes they can get

906
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 2: caught up in their own artistic brain and thinking, didn't

907
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 2: you just see what I just did. I just stopped

908
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: my opponent from doing anything. But if you don't do

909
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: it yourself, you don't win the fight. And I think

910
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 2: sometimes people get caught up in that mindset of unless

911
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: you take the belt from the champion, so to speak,

912
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: which isn't a thing in the scoring of either boxing

913
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: or MMA. There's no asterisk to change your mindset because

914
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: the challenger didn't do enough to compromise the champion. I've

915
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: just felt bad. I feel bad for Rose that she

916
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: now has to go back to the well and try

917
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: to climb the contender ranking when I think she's the

918
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: better fighter than this Barza, only she didn't show it.

919
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: And I equally feel bad because I don't think the

920
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: challenger did enough to show that she should be the champion.

921
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: Do you guys think there's anything we can do here?

922
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: It'd be messing. It'd be playing god to look at

923
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: a title fight that sucked the horn and go, sorry, guys,

924
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: this fight blow blue. None of you deserve to win it.

925
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: It's a no contest immediate REMA. No, you can't justify

926
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: them doing that. It just doesn't It's not fair. But

927
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 2: is there anything that could have be done? Maybe before

928
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: round five? Going, referee coming over, going, Hey, both of

929
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: you are on the hook here to lose this fight

930
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: because you've done shit to step it up. What do

931
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: you do if you're the promotion at this point, you

932
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 2: just move forward.

933
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: I mean round five was actually the most active round

934
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 3: of all of the rounds. Not that it excuses what

935
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 3: happened in the previous rounds, but I think to your point, BC,

936
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: they overthought this one hundred percent, and defense is not

937
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: in the scoring criteria. You don't earn points from defense.

938
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 3: And I'll even look back at the Randy Brown and

939
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 3: Chaos Williams fight earlier in the night. I think there

940
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 3: was a real case to score that for Chaos Williams

941
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: because most of what Randy Brown was doing was defense.

942
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 3: He was moving, he wasn't getting hit, he was looking

943
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 3: great by doing all of that. But on the scoring criteria,

944
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: you gotta give it to the person that does the

945
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: most damage. And in the first and third round he

946
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: got dropped. But let's put that aside and just look

947
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 3: at this particular fight. Rose didn't do enough to win

948
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: that fight. And the thing that boggles my mind is

949
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 3: Rose is one of the all time great women's mixed

950
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 3: martial artists top three all time. If you were to

951
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 3: look at like pound for pound, ever, you don't have

952
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: the confidence to go in there against Carla Asparza, who

953
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 3: know disrespect to Carla, her striking is nowhere.

954
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 4: Near on the level of Rose.

955
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 3: You think that you're gonna just play defense against Carla

956
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: Asparza for five rounds, and that's the best strategy if

957
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 3: Carla was taking Rose down at will. Rose is one

958
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: of the most innovative fighters that we've seen, one of

959
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: the most creative fighters, has one of the best submission

960
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: games of anybody in the history of the straweight division.

961
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: You're telling me you don't have the confidence for your fighter,

962
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: who's a great champion, probably the best champion in the

963
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: history of that division, doesn't have as many defenses as Yohanna,

964
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: but beat Joanna and Wailey twice as the best resume

965
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: by fire in that division.

966
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 4: You're telling me you don't have the confidence to let your.

967
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: Fighter loose against Carla Esparza, who's probably the easiest championship

968
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 3: fight that she's had since the first championship fight against

969
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 3: Carla A. Sparza when she would have been the youngest

970
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 3: champion in the history of the UFC at AG twenty two.

971
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: Has she been able to pull that off as a

972
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 3: raw green fighter. You don't think that she can beat

973
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 3: this version of Rose can't beat Carla Asparzo wherever this

974
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: fight goes. To me, that was a terrible game plan.

975
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: And I know that Trevor Whitman is a genius. It's

976
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 3: a brilliant, brilliant coach, and he should be given all

977
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: the credit in the world. But the corner work of her,

978
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 3: of Pat Berry and Whitman, they were contradicting each other

979
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: in the corner, like Rose must have been completely flustered.

980
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 4: But she's getting mixed messages from her coaches.

981
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: And I didn't hear Trevor Whitman say that she had

982
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: won the first four rounds because they showed half of

983
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 3: Asparz's corner first and then half of Rose's corner in

984
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: between those rounds. If he said that to her, and

985
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: any coach says to your to a fighter in a

986
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 3: close fight, you're up these rounds, you're doing them an

987
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: incredible disservice.

988
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 4: Because unless you're.

989
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 3: Confident of that, and I know people have been proponents

990
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 3: of open scoring, it doesn't exist. So let's put that aside.

991
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: You can't tell your fighter that they're winning a fight

992
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: like that.

993
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 4: You can't.

994
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: It should have been do or die at that point,

995
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 3: because she handed that belt that Carla Asparzan a silver platter,

996
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 3: And every time they go back and watch that fight,

997
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's going to keep them up at night.

998
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 3: And I hate to say it, but they really really

999
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: did her at disservice in that fight by a implementing

1000
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: that strategy to begin with, not having the confidence that

1001
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: you could beat Color wherever that fight went. But also

1002
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: the corner worked to me in that fight was a rare,

1003
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 3: rare anomaly where Trevor Whitman I don't think delivered.

1004
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: I would say a couple of things. I thought women's

1005
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: advice was better than Pat Berry's and that you know,

1006
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: I know a lot of folks out there like, well,

1007
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: who are you guys to critique these game plans? Listen, man,

1008
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they need to consult me with a

1009
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: game plan. But if that was the game plan you

1010
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: had and you had those results, sorry you're up for criticism.

1011
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,479
Speaker 1: That was not a winning game plan, period. It just wasn't.

1012
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: There's no way you could frame it otherwise. That was

1013
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: not a strategy to really get a win. And so

1014
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: as a consequence, we have to be sort of honest

1015
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: about it. And I also thought that it seemed to

1016
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: me Aaron a little bit more, at least a little

1017
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: bit more onside of Trevor Whitman trying to goad her

1018
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: into doing something. Let's see you get active, let's see

1019
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: you lay it out there. But then who's to say, like,

1020
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: between contradictory messages and everything else, maybe it just wasn't

1021
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: getting through. I would say, though. People always make this

1022
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: argument that it sounds goofy to bring in stuff from

1023
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: other sports, and I guess that, but I'm telling you, folks,

1024
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: a yellow card system, and I realize it's so late

1025
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: in the game to even implement it that no one

1026
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: even wants to see it. But I really believe in them.

1027
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: I believe in a referee. Listen, part of mixed martial

1028
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: arts is wrestling, and it's everything else. And in wrestling, dude,

1029
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: if you watch amateur wrestling, the referees are driven to

1030
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: make sure the action goes. They are constantly on their whistle.

1031
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: I realized this was mostly a striking affairs, say for

1032
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: if you take down attempts through the course of twenty

1033
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: five minutes, But the question becomes, what role, if any,

1034
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: does the referee have in inducing action? I would argue,

1035
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: I would submit. They do have a role to play

1036
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: and if we don't empower them. Now you can make

1037
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: a case maybe or not Keith Peterson really used them,

1038
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: but there is no yellow card or red card system.

1039
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: And again that also in Pride involved finding people for

1040
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: their purse, which I'm not necessarily in favor of, but

1041
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 1: you know, finding some or finding some kind of system

1042
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: to induce action with warning, with points being taken away.

1043
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: I am one hundred percent in favor of it. Leaving

1044
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: them to their own devices to do what they did

1045
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: clearly did not work. You don't have to have a

1046
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: yellow card all the time, but this is one scenario

1047
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: where it would have been a huge benefit.

1048
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, look, it's in there.

1049
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 3: I mean there's rules on timidity, and a referee can

1050
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: warn for timidity and can't take points for timidity. I

1051
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 3: don't know if it's on Keith Peterson. I mean, the

1052
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 3: thing about that fight is the activity was there. They

1053
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: just weren't hitting like there was output. It's just it

1054
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 3: was an acurate output if you look at the acturacy.

1055
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 3: He wasn't the twentieth percentile for basically.

1056
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 5: But fist punching the air to me is not I agree,

1057
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 5: you know, I agree, I agree, And timidity is in there,

1058
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 5: and Keith Peterson as well within his rights to call

1059
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 5: a timeout, talk to both fighters and say listen, I

1060
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 5: need to see something here or we're gonna start taking

1061
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 5: points away.

1062
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 4: He's in his rights to do that. I need to

1063
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 4: see it very often an mma.

1064
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: If he can't do it, the fight just left a

1065
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: bad taste. I think that when beyond oh this fight sucks,

1066
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: like you know in Ghano versus Lewis or you know,

1067
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: on a title level Woodley versus WonderBoy, even though there

1068
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 2: was some hipster style, you know, technique that you could

1069
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: have enjoyed there, I think I just have a bad

1070
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: taste because we didn't get you know, closure, but you

1071
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: get closure to this rivalry. You know who's at fault

1072
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: Rose in her team of course, so in the end

1073
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: you would deserve to lose your title if that's the

1074
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 2: game plan you put out there. But on the flip side,

1075
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: does anybody else just have a bad feeling about sin Asparza,

1076
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: who look has earned this opportunity of course and is

1077
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: going to go on her honeymoon and you know, you know,

1078
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: more power tour, but she didn't win that fight, and

1079
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: I think that's the theft.

1080
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: I've never dode think about this. Have you ever seen

1081
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: a UFC title? Now I'm not talking about with Oliver

1082
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: on the scales or being stripped for something. I'm talking

1083
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: about once the fight started, they're facing off. Has a

1084
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: UFC title ever been surrendered for less? I'm not a

1085
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 1: great question. You could say the Aldo fight with McGregor

1086
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: because he got one punch, but Aldo was going for

1087
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: it and McGregor landed a kill shot right like that.

1088
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,479
Speaker 1: That's not nothing. That's a lot. Has a UFC title

1089
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: ever been given to someone for less? I honestly don't

1090
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: know the answer to that, but maybe not.

1091
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 4: I'm trying.

1092
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: I think maybe there was a fight it was. I

1093
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 3: think it was Rampage versus Macheetah where not a lot happened.

1094
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 3: That was a long time ago, and I think of

1095
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: the right fight. Who did a Rampage drop the title to? Uh?

1096
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: Who did he drop the title? He beat Dan Harderson

1097
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: Fort Griffin, Yeah.

1098
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: Forrest, maybe that fight. There was not much that happened

1099
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 3: in that fight. No, but like Rampage kicked hard and

1100
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: I was like, you really got to beat the champ

1101
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: to win the belt. Which is of course a total myth,

1102
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 3: but I remember at the time that was a close fight.

1103
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 1: It was, but like remember Rampage got his leg kicked

1104
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: early and that kind of set him back at least

1105
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: there was like he was kind of hobbling on his

1106
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: leg or something.

1107
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 4: You know.

1108
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 2: Well, one thing I did talk about, you know, late Saturday,

1109
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: is with Dana announcing that Rose is going to have

1110
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 2: to go back in line and that he wants the winner,

1111
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 2: of course of the UFC two to seventy five rematch

1112
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: between Wayley Jong and Youana to get the title shot. Look,

1113
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: this does whether as Sparsa has the title or not.

1114
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: The future's fun and the future's bright, and you know,

1115
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: a b if you're the UFC, do you like that direction?

1116
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 2: Giving that Wayy you want to rematch which is really

1117
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 2: you know, linked more with our hearts in terms of

1118
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: action and both going for it. But are you okay

1119
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: with that being a number one contender fight as we

1120
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: move forward as as the best way to do exactly that,

1121
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: just move forward and make Rose get back in line,

1122
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: whether that's Mackenzie Dern, whether that's Marina Hadriguez. I don't

1123
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: think we're we lose in the end, we're gonna get

1124
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: great fights, and I love the idea. If Rose can

1125
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: work her way back, she's gonna have a trilogy with somebody,

1126
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: right It's gonna be a Sparsa, Yojana or Whaley if

1127
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: she ends up getting back. But is this the right

1128
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: choice moving forward to not give them a trilogy again

1129
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: based on you blew it, You blew it, Son, you

1130
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: blew it.

1131
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 3: No, nobody wants that trilogy fight right now. Nobody wants

1132
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: to see that trilogy fight right now. I think that

1133
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 3: you know, people would riot in the streets if they

1134
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: booked that fight again. No disrespect, but I mean I

1135
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 3: think Marina Harrigez being very much overlooked here. I think

1136
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 3: that she's earned a title shot. Her last fight was

1137
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: a very very close fight against Jan Shaunan, and I

1138
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 3: think that maybe that could have tipped her over the

1139
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: top if it was a more dominant performance. But I

1140
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 3: think she's really earned that spot. I understand the way

1141
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: Lee against Johanna idea though that's a bigger fight as

1142
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: far as against either of them. But I rematched between

1143
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: the Sparsa and Marina Hadriguez. I don't think she'd be

1144
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 3: completely overlooked also, let me.

1145
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: Just say something in defensive as Sparsa, because I realized

1146
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: that all the blame is going on Rose because she

1147
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: was the champion heading into the fight and her corner

1148
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 1: work was not the best. On the other hand, like Carla,

1149
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: Asparsa had to go through a murderer's road to get there,

1150
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: and I understand some of those fights were close. She

1151
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: had two split decision wins. I get it. But at

1152
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: the same time, look at the respect that Rose had

1153
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: for Carla in this contest. She didn't want anything to

1154
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: do with her. She wanted no part of the ground,

1155
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: and barely we even wanted to get into like contact

1156
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: range with her at all. Granted a huge miscalculation all

1157
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: those things, but there is still this twinge of like

1158
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: Carla is some imposter. I don't no if Carla is

1159
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: the very best one hundred and fifteen pounder on the world,

1160
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: but I do know that she is very competitive with

1161
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: the very best one hundred and fifteen pounders in the world,

1162
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: and at least deserves some consideration in that place. Saturday

1163
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: night was not the best evidence of that, But there

1164
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: is this I'm wondering, at what point the conversation is

1165
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: going to turn on Carla where folks are like, you

1166
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: know what she is. She is among her peers at

1167
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: the top of this division. She's not a pretender who

1168
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: is just sort of masquerading in the space.

1169
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 3: One hundred percent, and that's why I give her all

1170
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 3: the credit in the world as a champion. I don't

1171
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 3: think that this is a thing where you know, you

1172
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: want to vacate the title because of the inactivity in

1173
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: that fight. Rose had that game plan because of how

1174
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 3: good Carla as Sparza is in that one particular area

1175
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: of MMA with takedowns, and I think that that's going

1176
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: to give whoever faces Carla next a lot of problems

1177
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 3: if carl is able to implement that game plan, is

1178
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 3: able to take women down. The only foil for Carlas

1179
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 3: Sparsa in that department has been Tatiana Suarez, who absolutely

1180
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 3: handled her back in the day, and Suarez isn't gonna

1181
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 3: fight in that division anymore, so you can just you know,

1182
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 3: toss that side. But I think in terms of wrestling,

1183
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: Asparsa is now that Suarez is out of that division

1184
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: by far the best wrestler in that division. I mean,

1185
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: Jong Bailey's catching up, I think, but I agree with Luke.

1186
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 3: I don't think you can take credit away from Asparza

1187
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 3: for how this has all played out. I think that

1188
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 3: that we need to give her her credit and her

1189
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: due for getting to the back to the dance and

1190
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 3: then winning.

1191
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it'start her fault. This wouldn't be Let's say

1192
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: if Anthony Smith had had activated the disqualification win against

1193
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 2: John Jones and took a title where it wasn't deserving,

1194
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: you know, sterling with the bell after the first John fight,

1195
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: it felt bad. This is a little bit different, but

1196
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 2: it's not great. But to your point on Marinarodriguez being

1197
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: more deserving, and I agree, they're just not going to

1198
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 2: put into Sparsarodrigez title next titles, you know, shot next

1199
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: when they have these bigger names. But when you look

1200
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: at the fine print of a Juana versus Wayley rematch

1201
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 2: being a number one contender fight, yu Wanta has lost

1202
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,959
Speaker 2: four of six. Way Lee just lost two.

1203
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 3: In a row.

1204
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: You know, I don't love I don't love that.

1205
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 4: I really don't that.

1206
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: That's that, that's you know, automatically the next I mean,

1207
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: would I prefer that, you know, business commercial storyline wise,

1208
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: to see the winner of that faced as barsa knowing

1209
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: Rose could be coming up the back door. Yes I do,

1210
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 2: but nothing again, nothing about this entire situation really makes

1211
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: me feel all that great.

1212
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 3: And let's not forget andrage too. Androsh just had a

1213
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: really nice win against Lamosh. She's back in the division

1214
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 3: and she's making some noise, and she had a pretty,

1215
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: uh brutal tweet yesterday. And when I say brutal, I

1216
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 3: don't mean like, oh, that's brutal. It was like sheer

1217
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: brutality directed towards Carla as Barza, the champion of the

1218
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 3: boring division, as she called it. Uh So she she

1219
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,479
Speaker 3: shot her shots, so you gotta give her some credit.

1220
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: But the reason I like Hadriguez is if you look

1221
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 3: at what the last five years of this division, it's

1222
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 3: been Rose, It's been way Lee, it's been uh Joanna

1223
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: and now and it's been I guess carl is in

1224
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 3: the mix now, but it's been all the former champions,

1225
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 3: Like it's been four champions of this division, and they

1226
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 3: they've been basically basically been been passing the baton. It

1227
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 3: was the same way for a while in the bantamweight division,

1228
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 3: where it was Hennon Barrow. It was Della Shaw, it

1229
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 3: was Cruz, and it was Favor and like it was

1230
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: just those four them as a revolving door. Who was

1231
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 3: facing who all the time, and the division got stagnant.

1232
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 3: And now look at how good the banthamweight division is

1233
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: when you bring these new contenders into the mix. And

1234
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: that would be my argument for, you know, showing some

1235
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: love Toime Marina Hadriguez and even the Mackenzie Durns of

1236
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 3: the world who are on the sidelines also working their

1237
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 3: way up this division.

1238
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: Same for Walter way to a lesser but some kind

1239
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: of similar extent. All right, let's go to point number

1240
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: three here. Let's talk about that devastating KO by Michael

1241
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: Chandler on Tony Ferguson. Probably one of the best front

1242
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: kit KOs you'll ever see. Man, I'll say this, I

1243
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: thought that Michael Chandler's pete KO was gonna be the

1244
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: one over Patricky Pitbull, which if you've never seen it,

1245
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: it is a devastating one punch KO. But this probably

1246
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: exceeds it. All Right, Aaron Bronstter, We've had four fights

1247
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 1: with Michael Chandler. He is two and two. He beat

1248
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: Dan Hooker, he beat Tony, he lost to Justin he

1249
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 1: lost to Charles OLIVERA. Four fights is often one contract.

1250
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll get more, but let's just say that's

1251
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: a one. That's that's the one contract you got through

1252
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: four fights. How'd you grade the UFC Michael Chandler experience.

1253
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 3: It's an absolute A plus. What what can you take

1254
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 3: away from this other than this being a complete and

1255
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 3: utter home run. He's been in four exciting fights, he's

1256
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 3: come in, he's been great on the mic, he's great

1257
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: with the media.

1258
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 4: He what is the downside of this relationship.

1259
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 3: He's been a new contender in one of the most

1260
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: difficult divisions in the sport to crack into, and he's

1261
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: proven that he can hang with the top guys in

1262
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 3: this division. It's been nothing short of an A plus. Honestly,

1263
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 3: I just can't think of a single negative that's come

1264
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 3: of this, This this marriage between Michael Chandler and the UFC.

1265
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: So negative. I'll say, Aaron, is you not realizing that

1266
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: he's higher on the priority list for the next lightweight

1267
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: title shot to the company then even islam Maha.

1268
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 4: It just hasn't quicked yet.

1269
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: I mean it, he is. I don't know how you

1270
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: guys don't see this. Would would would Canelo, would Connor

1271
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: get you know, placement above that probably, But guys, Chandler

1272
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: is going to make great action against everybody, especially if

1273
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: he's you know, want lost two three in a row

1274
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: at that point he's he's an action fighter. This might

1275
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: be the last time you can roll him out as

1276
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: as a title challenger. I don't see how you guys

1277
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: don't see that this rematch is coming your way.

1278
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 4: I really know what has he done that Baniel dairy

1279
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 4: Use hasn't done.

1280
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 2: That's not about That's not how you get rewarded though,

1281
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 2: And I respect Darry Husch. I respect everybody who's trying to,

1282
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: you know, come out of of being part of the

1283
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 2: pool in the top ten to being a clear cut

1284
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: title contender. And Leon Edwards has had a hard time

1285
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: crossing that same line in his rise.

1286
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 4: But it's not aboutashing guys.

1287
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: I get it.

1288
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: But it's not about what's fair though. It's not about

1289
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 2: what's fair in this in the in the sexy divisions,

1290
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: it's not it's not at all or not.

1291
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: We're not even saying it's fair, like if I'm if

1292
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm hearing Brons said or right, what he's saying, is listen,

1293
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 1: you want to say Chandler's exciting, no doubt, Chandler's like crazy,

1294
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: exciting dog. Did you see the Benil Darry EUSt your

1295
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: car close fight. I mean, it's one of the most

1296
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: insane fights of all time. It's not like Daryush isn't

1297
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: handing out excitement either.

1298
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 3: But Tony in three rounds and that's who Chandler just beat.

1299
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: Like right, I think spoke away from these streaks that

1300
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 3: Darius and islam or on to put Chandler back in there.

1301
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: And I think the Chandler is gonna be in an

1302
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 3: exciting fight against regardless of the movies against. It doesn't

1303
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 3: need to be against the champion. Throw him in there

1304
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 3: against Poitier, throw him in there against Dariush. You know

1305
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 3: there's gonna be an exciting fight for Michael Chandler. It

1306
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: doesn't need to be a championship fight.

1307
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 2: I just think the weakness of both of your arguments

1308
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: is the strength of what you said. What's this relationship

1309
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: grade A plus? Dana rewards that dude, he does he does. Okay,

1310
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: so that's the last time I'll speak about that.

1311
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: All right, So fair enough be see then let's go

1312
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: to you. What do you think is next for Chandler?

1313
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: You had Dustin Parier on Twitter that night. Boy, he

1314
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: was really active saying I could beat these guys, muscle boy,

1315
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: pull up all this kind of stuff. But of course

1316
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: he called out the potential winner or whoever's going to

1317
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: be in the main event, or he set up the

1318
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor thin Connor of course speaking about it as well,

1319
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: but like just looking at the UFC, looking at their options.

1320
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: Let's assume for the sake of argument, that he doesn't

1321
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: get the title shot. What would be a next appropriate

1322
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: fight for the UFC and for Michael Chandler, who we

1323
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: all agree has not only been a company man but

1324
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: has just been It's a very fruitful relationship in both directions. BC.

1325
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 2: That's you, buddy, el Sorry, I thought you were teeing

1326
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: up our fine Canadian friend.

1327
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: If it's not the time to you, although he can

1328
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: go next, go ahead.

1329
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: Look if it's not the title shot, I think the

1330
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: first priority for the UFC would be getting Connor McGregor's

1331
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: interest in making that fight. If it doesn't look like

1332
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: that's a fight Connorm would want. Once it's time to

1333
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: sit down and draw it up, dude, Poier is the

1334
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: fight it is, and I think with with Chandler until

1335
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: he does get more losses, his pay per view brand

1336
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: is strong. So while your point, Aaron, would I love

1337
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: to see him against you know, Darry Hush and would

1338
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 2: that be a more deserving matchup at this point? It

1339
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: might be in terms of how the top ten works,

1340
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: But Chandler versus Pooria is a non title pay per

1341
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 2: view main event, and there aren't a ton of those

1342
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 2: going around. So if it's not Connor, it's not the

1343
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: title shot, it's got to be Poorier.

1344
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: For me.

1345
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: You know, I don't work in that great in that

1346
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: war room, but I'd love to. I think I can

1347
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: hang in there with those guys.

1348
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: There's only one reason why I'm booking Derry Yush and Chandler,

1349
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 3: and it doesn't even have anything to do with Chandler.

1350
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 3: Darry Yush has said he's not gonna fight Justin Gaichi,

1351
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 3: and this is for a title. They've trained really closely together.

1352
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: So if you're gonna book a fight between Poorier and Chandler,

1353
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 3: basically the last two men out in the lightweight division

1354
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: are gonna be Gai Chi and Daryushu aren't going to

1355
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: face each other? Now, could they face some of these

1356
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 3: up and comers like an Armand's Rukian or a Physiev

1357
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 3: or rdaf Rda beats Physiev, Like there are possibilities there.

1358
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 4: But I think that you got to work with those

1359
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 4: four names.

1360
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 3: You gotta work with der USh, you gotta work with Chandler,

1361
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 3: you gotta work with Gaichi, and you gotta work with Poorier,

1362
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 3: And you've got to book those four in some way

1363
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 3: or another. And if Goichi and Deryush aren't going to

1364
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 3: face each other by process of elimination, that's the way

1365
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 3: that I would I would have it laid out.

1366
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: I mean, he would you be upset if Abu Dhah

1367
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 2: and we saw Habib tweet out, you know, hey, UFC

1368
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: put Islam in Abu Dhabi in August against OLIVERA. Would

1369
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: you be upset if it was OLIVERA, Chandler in the

1370
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: main event, Darry Yush, Islam and the Colemane. That would

1371
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 2: mean Connor's going in a different comeback direction, which is fine.

1372
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: And we sort of did a boxing thing where the

1373
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 2: main and Colemane are setting up who's going to be

1374
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: fighting in the next title fight.

1375
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 3: I can't say I'd be upset by it. I just

1376
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 3: don't think it makes a whole lot of sense. I mean,

1377
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 3: that's what it comes down to. I'd love to watch

1378
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 3: Chandler face Olivera again. It was a great fight. Anybody

1379
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: against Olivera, for the most part, is going to be

1380
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 3: a great fight. Look at any of these names, They're

1381
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 3: going to be fantastic matchups. I just don't see how

1382
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 3: it makes sense personally.

1383
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: I know, could you imagine a scenario where Michael Could

1384
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: you imagine a scenario where Michael Chandler fought like either

1385
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: rosenam in Unis or Karla As far as like it's

1386
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: he would have to be profoundly injured or something for

1387
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: that to happen, And even then I don't think he

1388
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: would so like any matchup makes sense. Let me ask

1389
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: actually the reverse of this question, because it will affect

1390
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: the matchmaking and where Chandler goes. We'll talk about Tony

1391
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 1: in just a second, which is what do you guys

1392
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: actually think is the likely like really, in your heart

1393
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: of hearts, is the likeliest possible, like the likeliest outcome

1394
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: I should say for a fight for Connor McGregor. In

1395
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: terms of who he signs to fight is it Chandler

1396
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: at one seventy? Is it? We had Nate Diaz tweeting

1397
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: last night saying the trilogy is done or whatever, and

1398
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: then whatnot, Aaron, if you really had to say who

1399
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: Connor's gonna fight next and at what weight class? In

1400
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: your heart of hearts, what direction do you go?

1401
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 3: Well, if I was booking it, I'd put them against Azividal.

1402
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 3: I think that's the fight to make it one hundred

1403
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 3: and seventy pounds. I think Masvedl's days, unfortunately as a

1404
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 3: real contender in the one hundred and seventy pounds division,

1405
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 3: are kind of behind him. I think it's going to

1406
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 3: take him a lot to get back up to the top,

1407
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 3: especially after that fight with Colby. But I would book

1408
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 3: McGregor versus Masvidal. I think that would just be a

1409
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 3: huge fight. Masvidal's star power is still there, might not

1410
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 3: be quite as big as it was once, but I

1411
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 3: think that the build up to that fight would be excellent.

1412
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 3: I think the DS trilogy is a better fight too.

1413
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 3: I think that that's another great fight that you can

1414
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 3: make with Connor. And I think Connor versus Chandler hundred

1415
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 3: and seventy pounds makes a lot of sense to I don't.

1416
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 3: I don't think you can go wrong with really any

1417
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 3: three of those scenarios. But the fact of the matter

1418
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 3: is McGregor's going to pick up the phone. He's going

1419
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 3: to say, this is who I want to FaZe, and

1420
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 3: that's what the book. It could be Olvera, could be Kamarusner,

1421
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 3: like Connor's going to be ultimately the one who calls

1422
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 3: his shot here, and I don't think the UF he's

1423
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 3: going to say no, regardless of what name he gives them.

1424
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: A B.

1425
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: Speaking of connor matchmaking, Luke and I have said, look,

1426
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: Connor's there's a lot of questions age, injury, recent track record,

1427
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: mental state on social media, he's often just wacky and wild.

1428
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 2: But Luke and I have both agreed that he's got

1429
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 2: one more big win in it. Probably it'll buy him time.

1430
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: You know.

1431
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 2: Could he lose a welterweight title shot at any point, yes,

1432
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 2: could he lose a lightweight title shot at any point, yes,

1433
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: But we both believe that that Connor's going to surprise

1434
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: one more person. Is Chandler the perfect matchup to create

1435
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: that possibility because it's also hella dangerous but if you're

1436
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: looking to put Connor in a fight in which he

1437
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 2: could win or lose, but but but specifically that there's

1438
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: an opening for him to win, do you think it

1439
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 2: is Chandler.

1440
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 3: Three names, Chandler, Gai, chie Ferguson, if you want to

1441
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 3: give a fight to Connor McGregor that he could potentially

1442
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 3: win in that division, those do have three names. And

1443
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 3: I still think it would be a very It would

1444
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 3: be an uphill climb for him to be able to

1445
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 3: beat any of those three guys. Honestly at this point

1446
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 3: in time, just because we don't know what we're looking

1447
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 3: at anymore. We just haven't seen the best of McGregor

1448
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 3: in recent years. I think he certainly has it in him.

1449
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 3: I think he certainly could beat any of those three

1450
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 3: guys on the right night. His power is just it's undeniable,

1451
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 3: and all it takes is one with Connor McGregor.

1452
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: Guys, I'm starting to think Gaichi might be the pick

1453
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 2: here for UFC with Connor.

1454
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 3: I mean, he knows what he's gonna get into the call.

1455
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 3: Gage is not going to try to take him down.

1456
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 3: Gage's going to stand with him, yep.

1457
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,479
Speaker 1: And I would say that I'm not going to argue

1458
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: that Gaichie's chin is gone, but the way in which

1459
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: Olivera was able to land on him makes you think that, like,

1460
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: if Connor could do something like that, it would have

1461
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: devastating consequences for him as well, which of course speaks

1462
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: the parody of the fight. All right, but before our

1463
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: friend from Canada leaves us, we do have to talk

1464
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: about Tony Ferguson. Now aaron thirty eight years old, four

1465
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: losses in a row. He has never been stopped cold

1466
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: like this. He finally gets stopped. Dan White said something

1467
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: after the fight that I understand I don't really have

1468
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 1: not any arguing against him, which he's like, Tony needs

1469
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: to take time off, right he does after a vicious

1470
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: ko like that, there can be no doubt. But the

1471
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: problem he's up against is he is thirty eight at

1472
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty five pounds. Time off serves the

1473
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: recovery from the potential effects of the knockout. It doesn't

1474
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: serve his competitive interests whatsoever. What is really going to

1475
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: be next for Tony Ferguson.

1476
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 3: You've got to give him someone ranked from ten to fifteen.

1477
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 3: I don't think that you can continue to put him

1478
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 3: up against these killers at the top of the division.

1479
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 3: I'd like to see him face like a Gregor Gillespie

1480
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 3: or something like that, somebody on the lower end of

1481
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 3: the lightweight division. I don't think you should put him

1482
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 3: a welterweight. I don't think he's big enough. I think

1483
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: that a lot of these welthweights would push him around.

1484
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do like maybe a wonder Boy fight.

1485
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 3: I think that would be fun. Like if you want

1486
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 3: to book a fun fight with him at Welthwaite, sure,

1487
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 3: but I don't think you can continue to book Tony

1488
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 3: at the top of this division. I think it's just

1489
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 3: a disservice to him.

1490
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: Now.

1491
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: Of course, you do need to have marketable fights for him,

1492
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 3: but I think at this point in time, maybe you

1493
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 3: put him into the gatekeeper role and see how it goes.

1494
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 2: I think he's worse off than that. I mean, look,

1495
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 2: am I crazy here? We both had a bad taste

1496
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: in our mouth the head of this fight, certainly after it.

1497
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 2: Although look, you know, fair play to Chandler. He did

1498
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: what he had to do. I think it's even bad

1499
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 2: news against a rank guy. I mean, the panic move

1500
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: is to catt him UFC won't do that, right, you

1501
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: give him Nick Diaz, it's.

1502
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: Not a crazy thought.

1503
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 4: Even even Nate would be a fun one.

1504
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: Neither of those is a crazy thought. The only issue,

1505
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing, Aaron, I would love to

1506
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: get your perspective on this, which is part of the debate,

1507
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: is that, well, Tony's never been stopped this way, and

1508
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: now he has been, So what does that say about

1509
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: the decline in his chant? And again we would go

1510
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: back to the damage from the gates. I still go

1511
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: back and say the damage from the gates he fight

1512
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: is a clear turning point. You cannot absorb damage like

1513
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: that over time and be the same afterwards. It's really

1514
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: not possible. But the thing is, the counter argument to

1515
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,479
Speaker 1: that is, listen, if Chandler lands that on anyone, they're

1516
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: going out, Like why why is everyone picking on Tony?

1517
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Tony had a good first round, right, Like,

1518
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 3: I mean, they know I brought that up. He said,

1519
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 3: Tony looked very good in the first round. And it's

1520
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 3: funny Chandler landed that kick, and you saw there was

1521
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 3: a guy, if you saw the reaction video in his corner,

1522
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 3: a guy with like kind of a long raided ponytail.

1523
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 3: That is one of his striking coaches, I believe, who

1524
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 3: just kind of went like like he was like, oh wow,

1525
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 3: that happened. Then I asked him backstage I saw that

1526
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 3: same coach and I said, what was that? Like a

1527
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 3: modified front kick, Like he had to get pretty high up,

1528
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 3: like the angle is very different than a normal front kick,

1529
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 3: And he was like, dude, I don't know what that was.

1530
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 3: I still have no idea, Like it just get connected

1531
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 3: and it hit. But like like you said, if you

1532
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 3: connect on someone's chin like that on an upward trajectory

1533
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 3: with your foot, you're gonna knock that person out regardless

1534
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 3: of who it is.

1535
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 4: So again, I still think that Tony has something left

1536
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 4: in the tank.

1537
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: I really do.

1538
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 3: And I wasn't even really saying that before this fight.

1539
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 3: I needed to see a good round out of him,

1540
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 3: and I saw a good round out of him there

1541
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 3: he rock Chandler looked very good. I still think we

1542
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 3: have something with Tony where you can put him up

1543
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 3: against If you look at like ten to fifteen, you

1544
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 3: don't think he can hang with like a Diego for

1545
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 3: Heja was rank fifteenth right now with lightweight. Is that

1546
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 3: a bat with Diego Fajja smoked Tony Ferguson. I don't

1547
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 3: believe that. I think that he would still be competitive

1548
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 3: with a lot of these guys at the lower half

1549
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 3: of the of the top.

1550
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 2: Darin, Is there anything to gain there? I mean, what

1551
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 2: the hell do you gain there?

1552
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: Do you?

1553
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 2: You don't think in your harder hearts that Ferguson's capable

1554
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 2: of winning three in a row against you know, B

1555
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 2: minus C plus competition to get him the reward of

1556
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: a top ten guy who can finish him. So, if

1557
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 2: you're not gonna go that route, we always say this

1558
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 2: about aging fighters UFC tens to not know what to

1559
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 2: do with them. Why wouldn't you enter Tony into this

1560
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: glorified Action fighter Twilight Division with Jim Miller and Cole

1561
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 2: Boy and all those guys. I mean, why not go

1562
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 2: right there? I mean, do you really believe that what

1563
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 2: he has left is is gonna be worth testing it

1564
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: against somebody you shouldn't be in there with.

1565
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:13,959
Speaker 4: Well, that's the big question.

1566
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 3: Do you want to use Tony to have big, fun

1567
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 3: fights against the likes of the DZ Brothers like you

1568
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 3: mentioned something along those lines, and utilize him as kind

1569
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 3: of a fan favorite that's gonna draw an audience or

1570
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 3: are you gonna use him to put over younger guys

1571
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 3: in the division, And is he gonna be comfortable with

1572
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 3: that role to begin with? If you if you give

1573
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 3: him the name armansruki on, is he gonna take that fight?

1574
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 3: That's really what I think is the big question here

1575
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 3: with Tony going forward is what's the vision of the

1576
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 3: promotion with how you're gonna utilize Tony Because you might

1577
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 3: be on this thing DC, maybe you just do that.

1578
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 4: You put him in the bigger fights, you get what

1579
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 4: you can out of him.

1580
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 2: And BMF bro, Yeah, and you look.

1581
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 4: Exactly the BMF did also also Aaron.

1582
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: Not everybody wants the Jim Miller path. Like Jim Miller

1583
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: wants that path because it's it's important for him and

1584
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: like we all love him for it, But not everybody

1585
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: wants that. Some people just want to walk the high

1586
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: wire and if that isn't fit for them, then that's it.

1587
01:07:58,440 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: Then that's the whole game.

1588
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Tony's a draw. Tony is a bona fide

1589
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 3: draw in that way, I can I can completely understand

1590
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 3: if they want to put him in cool comain events

1591
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 3: with fun fighters. I think that you could, you can

1592
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 3: make something happen there.

1593
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll say the one takeaway I had BC

1594
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: real quickly, if I may out pitch it to you,

1595
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: but the one what takeaway I had from the weekend

1596
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: was Tony's star power definitely hasn't wane. Now we'll see

1597
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: what happens from the knockout, but even then I don't

1598
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 1: think it really go away. The fans love Tony Ferguson,

1599
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: and for that reason, it does give him a couple

1600
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: of extra options.

1601
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they've they've aligned with his battle, which

1602
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 2: is the bad luck the never got getting Habib in

1603
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 2: the cage, you know, when all was said and done,

1604
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 2: never fighting for the full title twice for the interim belt.

1605
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 2: But there's still there's still tread on the star part

1606
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 2: of that tire. So you know, it's weird. UFC is

1607
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 2: probably never gonna, you know, promote a BMF fight again,

1608
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 2: not that it even needs to, but if they can

1609
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 2: be more mindful of creating their own BKFC division within UFC,

1610
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 2: right like not bare knuckle, but but sort of guys

1611
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 2: at the end of the food chain who can still

1612
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: fight each other. I just think that's the direction at

1613
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 2: the end of the day, and and if Tony won

1614
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: the ultimate fighter at welterweight, and at times through the

1615
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,560
Speaker 2: years that even said crazy things like going up to

1616
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 2: light heavyweight. I'm not saying do that. But if he

1617
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 2: goes to welterweight, doesn't have to cut anymore. There are

1618
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 2: plenty of Robbie Lawlers out there. There are.

1619
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: Fair enough, all right, Aaron Bronzetter. We always appreciate your contributions.

1620
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: We kept you a little longer than we had promised. Nevertheless,

1621
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 1: you do great work. How can folks find out your

1622
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: best stuff? Where do they go? Where do they look?

1623
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 3: All my works at tsnt A slash UFC and usually

1624
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 3: it's linked on my social media, So you go to

1625
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 3: Aaron Bronsteader on Twitter. I broke the fifty k barrier

1626
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 3: this past weekend, a real great achievement in the Bronzet household.

1627
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 4: But we're throwing a party later on.

1628
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: Now.

1629
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 4: My family doesn't care what I'm doing. They don't care

1630
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:46,440
Speaker 4: that I got fifty day.

1631
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: Yes, joined the club. My family also doesn't care, So

1632
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: we are very much in similar position. I hope we

1633
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: get a chance to see you at International. We'll go

1634
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: ahead BC.

1635
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 2: I was just gonna ask him who his favorite prime

1636
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 2: minister was in Canadian history. Pretty pretty important stuff, you

1637
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 2: big Trudeau guy.

1638
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I I try to just I'm

1639
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 3: not a big politics guy. I don't think that they

1640
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 3: do much for us. Let's just put it that way.

1641
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 2: Big healthcare guys.

1642
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 4: Who regardless of who you vote for, you're gonna be disappointed,

1643
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 4: are you not.

1644
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 3: I mean, has have there ever been anybody where you've

1645
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 3: they've emerged from, like the office of the highest office.

1646
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 4: We're like this guy, just this guy really knocked it

1647
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 4: out of the park.

1648
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 2: DJ Penn bro Okay, that's about it.

1649
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 3: All is running for the governor of Honolulu from what

1650
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 3: I understand. So se uh, that's from a that's from

1651
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 3: a viral clip. By the way, I know that it's

1652
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 3: the governor of Hawaii.

1653
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 4: But either way, thank you guys.

1654
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 3: It has been a nice kind of a no nonsense

1655
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 3: Keith Peterson, Connecticut blue collar Nick Marshal arts chat that

1656
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 3: we've we've been having here and I really appreciate you

1657
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 3: guys having me on.

1658
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: Hey, we see you in Vegas for international fight. We

1659
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: don't be a stranger. We'll link up again. I'll be there.

1660
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on there is Gleen.

1661
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 2: Did he just say we smell like booze and hooch?

1662
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: Is that what he said? I mean, I hope so,

1663
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 2: I hope you said that.

1664
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: That'd be great? All right, think the show continues. Let's

1665
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: go over to the boxing side of things if we can.

1666
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: All RIGHTBC, Canelo losing to Dimitri Bivoll, Can you effing

1667
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: believe it? Yes, it happened, and on top of it, BC,

1668
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: you happened to call it topic number four. We talk

1669
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: about it now. So it was a unanimous decision. None

1670
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: of the judges gave Canelo the fight now. Of course,

1671
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,839
Speaker 1: they gave him a few rounds in a few different directions,

1672
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: but he Bivall had the leading scorecar on all three

1673
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: judges score cards. OKABC, this is my question to start

1674
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 1: this conversation, having thought about it, potentially reviewed it again

1675
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: in your mind. I know you scored it in real

1676
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: time eleven rounds to one for Biball, which I don't

1677
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: think is crazy at all. Thinking about it in a

1678
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: different way, perhaps, what are the maximum number of rounds

1679
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 1: you could reasonably give to Canelo? Three?

1680
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 2: And anything more than that would be on civilized Luke.

1681
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 2: And what was weird about the three judges scoring it

1682
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 2: seven to five for Bevall, of course, was that all

1683
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 2: three scored the same exact rounds the same they gave

1684
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 2: Canelo one through four and nine on all three cards,

1685
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:16,520
Speaker 2: which is I mean, it's happened before, Luke, It's not impossible,

1686
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 2: but it's weird. I ask every fighter the same question

1687
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 2: when they're fighting Canelo, and sometimes I feel like I'm

1688
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 2: doing the stir the shit up for no reason, Luke,

1689
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 2: But I ask them, do you believe you can win

1690
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 2: a decision against Canelo? Nobody does, right, you know, even

1691
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 2: Floyd who I scored twelve rounds to zero against Canelo.

1692
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 2: Somebody gave Canelo six rounds c J. Ross to score

1693
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 2: that one even and have a majority draw. So you

1694
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 2: know the history there, It's ridiculous. In a fight this,

1695
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to say non competitive, it

1696
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 2: was competitive, but in a fight this visually one sided,

1697
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 2: and Luke, the copy box numbers tell you in every

1698
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 2: category that it was what you saw with your eyes

1699
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: visually one sided to see Canelo lose seven to five.

1700
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 2: So like, I wouldn't doubt what Canelo said after the

1701
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 2: fight that he believes, oh well, just rematch and and

1702
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 2: I'll I'll beat him this time. And in his mind, Luke,

1703
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 2: it's pret you know, I was run round away on

1704
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 2: every card, But dude, that's the only way Bevall was

1705
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 2: gonna get the decision by demonstratively beating Canelo, and he

1706
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 2: did so. Yeah, I don't think you can give Canelo

1707
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 2: more than three. He landed some hard single shots. But Luke,

1708
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 2: the thing that Canelo has had the advantage against every

1709
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 2: opponent above one hundred and sixty eight pounds is instantly,

1710
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,520
Speaker 2: whether they're confident or not coming in, they show intimidation

1711
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 2: against him because he's so crafty's so smart, so efficient

1712
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 2: that he finds ways to get inside your guard and

1713
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,719
Speaker 2: he starts picking you apart. And he's faster and stronger

1714
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 2: than you think he is, and his footwork's great, and

1715
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter the challenge, he finds a way, which

1716
01:13:54,880 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 2: is why he's been carrying balls this big in every interview, saying, uh, cruiser, yeah,

1717
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 2: I do that heavyweight title.

1718
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 4: Fuck it.

1719
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 2: That was what he said this week, Luke. Fuck it.

1720
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 2: But he ran into somebody who wasn't gonna back down,

1721
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 2: and it was it was key even though I had

1722
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 2: the bass to pick the Bevall upset And by the way,

1723
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 2: shout out to Aaron bronste Or who did DM me

1724
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 2: about two weeks before the fight and said, am I

1725
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 2: crazy to think Bevall wins this? I said, no, You're

1726
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 2: not crazy to do that. Luke. We had to see

1727
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 2: a version of him that we'd never seen before. I mean,

1728
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 2: you know, he thought Joe Smith Junior a big puncher before,

1729
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 2: but even that beev All thought safe and out boxed him.

1730
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 2: The only way Bevall was going to win this was

1731
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,679
Speaker 2: to do exactly what he did, Luke. Show Canelos zero respect,

1732
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 2: push him to the ropes, and when he had him

1733
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 2: in compromising situations, let your hands go. Luke. It worked

1734
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: out perfectly that his technique is so strong, his speed

1735
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 2: was on the right level, and he had enough pop

1736
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 2: to confuse anger, frustrate Canelo. But dude, he never backed

1737
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 2: down in ways that every single Canelo opponent has in

1738
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 2: recent years. For whatever reason, the stage was too bright,

1739
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:04,480
Speaker 2: Canelo was too good, whatever, this was a fantastic performance,

1740
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 2: and Luke, my biggest takeaway, you know, looking at this

1741
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,959
Speaker 2: is you know there was gonna be a ceiling eventually

1742
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 2: for Canelo's ambition, and let's all sit here and applaud

1743
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 2: the shit out of Canelo for taking this fight and

1744
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 2: for taking this l I mean afterwards, more or less

1745
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 2: he gave the credit to Bevall and said, it's boxing.

1746
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 2: You win some, you lose him. And to be fair,

1747
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 2: Canelo has been always about that. He's not protecting his record.

1748
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 2: He's always been about this, But Luke, I think he

1749
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 2: needed to find out what his limit was, where, where,

1750
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 2: where he was gonna be humbled. He found it. And Luke,

1751
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 2: even though he's talking about going right back in there

1752
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 2: and rematching, if I'm team Canelo, I sit down in

1753
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 2: a quiet room and I go, Okay, seventy fives a

1754
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 2: bridge too far. We gambled against Covillev we won, but

1755
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 2: seventy five's a bridge too far. Let's go back in

1756
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 2: and make every frickin' big fight we possibly could between

1757
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 2: one sixty and one sixty eight, and let's retire as

1758
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 2: the greatest fighter of all time, the face of this era,

1759
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 2: and continue to stockpile as many world titles as we can,

1760
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 2: because Luke, if he go, if he stays trying to

1761
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 2: fight at one seventy five against world class, credible guys.

1762
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 2: This is why we have divisions, you know what I mean.

1763
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can bypass that Canelo did that at one

1764
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,560
Speaker 2: sixty eight. Manny Pacio did that at Welterwait, sometimes you

1765
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 2: can bypass the natural disruption and weight and size. But

1766
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: Canelo met his match at the end of the day, dude.

1767
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 2: And you know, Bevall, he wasn't that dude before, but

1768
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 2: when it mattered, Luke, he was that fucking dude. So

1769
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,719
Speaker 2: I think we got to stand here and applaud both guys.

1770
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 2: Thank you Canelo for being a world class star face

1771
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 2: to the sport pound for pound king who's willing to

1772
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 2: challenge yourself like this. And thank you to Dmitri Bevoll

1773
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 2: for showing us that at the end of the day's

1774
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 2: skills pay the bills. And he went in there and

1775
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 2: he got it done. Luke. But if you're trying to

1776
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 2: score five rounds for him, get the get the dude, OKAYUK.

1777
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: So this is this is my follow up BC, like

1778
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: what like you this was a route to me like

1779
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 1: it was not close. It was not close. Ever, that

1780
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: ninth round was good for Canelo. I thought that was

1781
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: a really solid round. For him really was about it,

1782
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: other than some moments here or there. You asked me

1783
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: in the maximum number of rounds I could give him.

1784
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: I rewatched it today. It was two. You know, three

1785
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: I think is being quite generous, to be honest with you. However,

1786
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: this is my question. However, it does appear like they

1787
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: want to have the rematch in September, right with Canelo

1788
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: always fight syncle with to my own then in September.

1789
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: If they do it in September, b See, this is

1790
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 1: what I want you to think about. To you and

1791
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: I and to most people, to many people anyway, this

1792
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: was a route. But but the judges gave him five rounds. Dude,

1793
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 1: is it really all that unthinkable if they put this

1794
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: fight in La or Las Vegas again, for Canelo to

1795
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: make a couple of adjustments, have a couple of better rounds,

1796
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: and to beat Bival. Even if we look at the fight,

1797
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: we'd be like, Okay, maybe you could give Canelo four

1798
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,719
Speaker 1: or five rounds, but you can't give him six, certainly

1799
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 1: not seven. Dude. He had a fight where we thought

1800
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: he got basically not destroyed, but handle beaten, and he

1801
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: got five rounds. How hard is it for him to

1802
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: get seven. Doesn't seem that crazy, does it.

1803
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the problem. If he's gonna think that way,

1804
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 2: then we're grading on a curve, and Luke, it's like.

1805
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: Why what did he think that way?

1806
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 4: Do this happens every fight?

1807
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 2: I get that, I get that, but but we're essentially

1808
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 2: grading on a curve, and in some ways it's like, Okay, well,

1809
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 2: welcome to boxing. That's what we do at times with

1810
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: our super elite big stars. They get you know, membership

1811
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 2: has its privileges, they get advantages sometimes, Luke, I would

1812
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 2: say that before this fight, if you ask me, why

1813
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 2: why does Canelo get scorecards that your eyes tell you

1814
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 2: maybe he didn't deserve? Or why does he get the

1815
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt? At the very least, I think

1816
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 2: he has a style that judges love traditionally, right like efficiency, power, punches.

1817
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 2: You know, he does a lot great in that regard.

1818
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 2: He didn't do that in this fight, dude, Luke. His

1819
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 2: power did not touch Bevall. It didn't move him at all.

1820
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 2: Canelo was really down to just throwing one shot at

1821
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:01,799
Speaker 2: a time. Could he understand the way that the sausage

1822
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 2: is made and say, oh, like you said, oh, we'll

1823
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 2: do a rematch, man, I could, I mean maybe Luke okay,

1824
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 2: but again, I don't think there's a ton to gain here.

1825
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 2: He's already won a world title in this division. Unless

1826
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 2: it's like no, I told people I can win all

1827
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 2: the belts at one seventy five. I'm gonna do it

1828
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 2: if he can go back in that lab and come

1829
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 2: out and figure out a way to beat Beva in

1830
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 2: a rematch that we would believe with our eyes, and

1831
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 2: then he wants to keep going and fight better Beaver,

1832
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 2: whoever else for all the belts than dude, Canelo, You

1833
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 2: are a modern marvel in this era of boxing. Businessman.

1834
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 2: You are everything we say you are. But Luke, I

1835
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 2: don't think it happens in a rematch, And I don't

1836
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 2: want to see a closer fight that Canelo wins by

1837
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 2: four rounds because the judges just do that. No, I

1838
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 2: don't want to die.

1839
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't think a guy. I don't think a guy who.

1840
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: By the way, Canelo thinks he won that fight. Like

1841
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: you listen to his postfight comments. He recognizes that it was,

1842
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, reasonably competitive, but he he thinks he won

1843
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: that fight. Who is daring to be great? Who that

1844
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: same week. To the point you raised is talking about

1845
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: fighting fucking oohsick uh at heavyweight. That guy is not

1846
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: gonna take this loss and look at it and say, gee,

1847
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 1: I got thoroughly beaten here. He's gonna say I was

1848
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 1: this close and there's no reason why I can't be

1849
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: even better and then get over the hump in the rematch.

1850
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: To me, BC, tell me if I'm wrong, And I

1851
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: know you think it probably am, but my read on

1852
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: this situation is he's gonna have to lose twice to

1853
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: this guy before he decides that one to seventy five

1854
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: is a misadventure. He's not gonna take one loss that

1855
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: he thinks was close as definitive proof this is all

1856
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: too much.

1857
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 2: You know, he may be because he's got, you know,

1858
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 2: a stubborn pride that that's earned. So I get that.

1859
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 2: And Luke, if he did come back and win this, we,

1860
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 2: I mean, we'd freaking applaud him because look, uh, the

1861
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:43,600
Speaker 2: question is what does your pomp for pound look like?

1862
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: Now?

1863
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 2: Does Canelo hold the top spot because he was daring

1864
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 2: to be great even though he lost? And where do

1865
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 2: you think beev All belongs after this performance? Luke Beevall

1866
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 2: showed you he's he ability wise on paper, the dude's

1867
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 2: pump for pound worthy. So it's a it's a monster

1868
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 2: uphill climb for Canelo. If he wants to do it again,

1869
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 2: that's fine, but it was weird to me, knowing how

1870
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 2: boxing works that even Bevall on the interview was like, sorry,

1871
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: I ruined your glove can fight. Maybe dude, if Canelo

1872
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 2: actually wanted to fight Glovekin, it's in a different way class.

1873
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 2: It's at one sixty eight four our four belts. You

1874
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 2: could do that next without issue. But I get what

1875
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 2: you're saying. Canelo is a competitor. He wants to run

1876
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 2: it back. Luke, did you see those comments that Bevall

1877
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,600
Speaker 2: even said, I can make one sixty eight if you

1878
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 2: want to do a rematch, but we put all four

1879
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 2: of your super middleweight titles at stake. That could be

1880
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 2: the sexy edge to get the audience really tied into

1881
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 2: this one.

1882
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 1: And I would also say, if you didn't hear they

1883
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 1: asked him about Canelo's power, I thought Bivoll's comments were

1884
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 1: super interesting. What he basically said was, listen, there are

1885
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: kinds of boxers you go up against and everything they

1886
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 1: throw hurts everything, jabs, no, no matter what, they just

1887
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: have this kind of power. He goes Canelo doesn't really

1888
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: have that power. Yes, when he really leans into it

1889
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: and goes for it, those are heavy shots and they hurt.

1890
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: But in general he's like, no, he doesn't have that

1891
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: like god teer power that some folks had ascribed to him.

1892
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you that's a warning sign for Canelo. Yes,

1893
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 1: Bivall's face was barely marked up at all. Yeah, his

1894
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: arm or he'd been heating the right hands, was a

1895
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: little marked up, but it didn't really impede him in

1896
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,520
Speaker 1: the boxing fight to win or to use it effectively,

1897
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: even in late ten eleven twelve rounds. Dude, I gotta

1898
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 1: tell you, biv All. You know, we'll see what happens

1899
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 1: at one seventy five. I don't like his chances, and

1900
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 1: once succeed I guess I like him a little bit more.

1901
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: But either way, Bivall appears to be a bit of

1902
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: a we'll see if it's a turning point in the

1903
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: career of Canal. This one by itself probably not. But

1904
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: if he loses to in a row, that's a whole

1905
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: lot of turning point.

1906
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 2: I think I agree with you completely. And look, you know,

1907
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 2: Bevall is a bigger man who's used to fighting the

1908
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 2: light eavyweights. He took the big shots from Joe Smith

1909
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 2: Junior and held on and won that fight. You know,

1910
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 2: everyone's got a ceiling look, and it's weird. Some fighters,

1911
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 2: you know, they're great at one hundred and forty pounds,

1912
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 2: then they go up to welterweight and their power and

1913
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 2: their chin just doesn't match it. I've always felt that,

1914
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 2: even though that's a seven pound difference one forty seven,

1915
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 2: that told you a lot for that gap between sixty

1916
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 2: eight and seventy five might might be it because at

1917
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:07,640
Speaker 2: sixty eight it's not that everything he throws hurts or

1918
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 2: finishes people. But when he's smart in his placement and

1919
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 2: he counters you clean with everything he's got, he's gonna

1920
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 2: break your face like he did against Billy Joe Saunders.

1921
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 2: He's gonna break your body like you did against Rocky Fielding.

1922
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the punches still matter. He can

1923
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 2: still walk around like a badass and be a headhunter. Luke,

1924
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: at one seventy five against a guy this good, you

1925
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,600
Speaker 2: Canelo can't do that, So dude, I have to ask you,

1926
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 2: if you're Eddie Renoso, how would you approach a rematch

1927
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 2: with Bevaal differently? Because Luke one punch out of time

1928
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 2: from the outside when you can't hurt him, and Bevoll's

1929
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 2: defense was on point in this fight. I don't know

1930
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 2: what the strategy is because Canelo can box, I mean

1931
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 2: he up box Miguel Coto, but Canelo is not a

1932
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 2: high volume boxer where he's going to take the lead

1933
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 2: with his jab and outwork you.

1934
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: What do you do, Luke, dude, if you're gonna be

1935
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: the smaller guy like you, I mean, this would be

1936
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: impossible to ask for. I know where am I asking

1937
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: for it? But just imagine a scenario where Canelo had

1938
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: like Lomachenko style footwork and angle setups where he's getting

1939
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: to the side of you and around you all the time,

1940
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 1: forcing you to turn to play ketchup if you're the

1941
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: smaller guy. One thing Canelo did not really do here

1942
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: was he didn't really seem to use any perceived speed

1943
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 1: advantage and he was real flat footed. Now Canelo has

1944
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: been flat footed a lot and has you know, I'm

1945
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: gonna say, gotten away with it. It's part of his style,

1946
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, and we know that he's very good at

1947
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 1: evasion and head and trunk movement, so like those are

1948
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 1: things that he still has that are quite good. But dude,

1949
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: if you're gonna stand in front of Bivol, that's a

1950
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: hard fight to win. Dude, it's a hard fight to win.

1951
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: He was here with him, which I'm not saying there's

1952
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 1: always a right context to wrong context. None that I'm

1953
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: saying is wrong. When you're high on the guard here,

1954
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: you're trying to close range, Dude, Bivall was just teeing

1955
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 1: off on him with these combinations, and it was Bivol

1956
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: who was getting off at the angle first. Man, you

1957
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 1: got to be off on those angles, angles, angles, angles,

1958
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: you got to make that guy turn to find you.

1959
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 1: And he just was doing it. He was sort of

1960
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: using the same thing he'd been doing against guys who

1961
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: were much more he was able to get inside the

1962
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 1: distance a lot better, or hurt them or make them change.

1963
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,600
Speaker 1: He was never able to change what Bivol wanted to do.

1964
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: So I don't know if the punching power is there

1965
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: to do that, but the angle switching, to me was

1966
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: a big missed opportunity here could play a role in

1967
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 1: the second fight. I guess we'll have to see, Luke.

1968
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 2: What I know, you're not big on pof for pound,

1969
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 2: but what do you believe is the penalty here? So,

1970
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 2: for example, when Vassili Lomachenko was in the midst of

1971
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 2: my top ten and lost to Tale Femo at lightweight

1972
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 2: in a close fight, I didn't drop Taeo Femo out

1973
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 2: of the top ten. In fact, I kept him higher

1974
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 2: than I'm sorry, I didn't drop Loma out of the

1975
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 2: top ten. In fact, I actually kept him higher than

1976
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 2: Tayo Femo, which some people thought was crazy because he's

1977
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 2: a pomp for pound guy. He's a champion of multiple divisions.

1978
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 2: I think Loma could go down to thirty or even

1979
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 2: make one twenty six still and be number one. Canelo

1980
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 2: has a certain similarity in that he goes to multiple

1981
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 2: weight divisions. Do you think the gap between Canelo and

1982
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,679
Speaker 2: that group behind him, Spence, Crawford and new A, Maybe Usik,

1983
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 2: maybe Fury, depending on how you vote. Do you think

1984
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 2: he can hold that serve with this loss to Beebe

1985
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 2: and still be your number one pop for pomp fighter.

1986
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he can be because he's so out. I

1987
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: mean to Eddie Hearn's point, the guy has to handicap

1988
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: himself just to have a competitive fight, you know. True,

1989
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 1: So so for those reasons, because he is so far

1990
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 1: outside of his comfort zone, you know, you have to

1991
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: kind of not look the other way, but to be

1992
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: somewhat I think understanding of the difficulty that he is

1993
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,639
Speaker 1: inviting here. At the same time, I think two losses,

1994
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,600
Speaker 1: especially when you know, again we've kind of first we

1995
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 1: saw this one as a route basically that could play

1996
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a role. But it is

1997
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: also like, you know, the guys who are number two

1998
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 1: and three, they're just not even close to doing what

1999
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 1: Canelo is doing across weight classes, and so for that reason,

2000
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt him too much in that regard.

2001
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 2: See Max Kellerman used to say, when a great little

2002
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 2: man moves up to fight a great big man who

2003
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 2: isn't compromised by age or or his game having fallen part,

2004
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 2: you know, due to miles that the great big man

2005
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 2: historically wins, like statistically overwhelmingly. I think that kind of

2006
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 2: happened here, Luke.

2007
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 1: I think you're probably right. I think you're probably right.

2008
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap up on some of the other

2009
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 1: MMA action from the weekend. There was Belator in Paris,

2010
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 1: and of course PFL featured Kayla Harrison. Let's start with

2011
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: Bellator here for just a second, ABC, and we'll go

2012
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 1: through these relatively quickly. Ryan Bader got it done against

2013
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 1: Czech Congo, but it was not entertaining. I would say

2014
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 1: that the Esparza and nom A Unis fight might actually

2015
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 1: be worse than That's somewhat debatable, but in either case,

2016
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 1: neither was great. However, Bader did get it done. Now again,

2017
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:41,719
Speaker 1: he got done against a forty six year old check Congo.

2018
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: But we talked about this some people in chech Congo's

2019
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 1: done better than most folks realize. Here's my read on things. BC.

2020
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: He blew through the heavyweight Grand Prix, but we saw

2021
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,679
Speaker 1: some troubles bubble up to the surface at light heavyweight.

2022
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,600
Speaker 1: He got it done in Paris, but it looks to

2023
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 1: me like while he is still the best heavyweight in Belator,

2024
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 1: that grip is starting to slip a little bit. Fair

2025
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 1: or unfair.

2026
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 2: I think that's fair.

2027
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 1: I think that's fair.

2028
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 2: Look, I didn't love this fight on paper. I know

2029
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 2: they hit the first time around. It was a no contest,

2030
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 2: but I think we learned enough of who was the

2031
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 2: better fighter there that I didn't love the rematch. I

2032
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 2: get that you're doing it in Paris. It's a great

2033
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 2: story for Congo, who at forty six was still very relevant.

2034
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 2: Baier is suited at thirty eight for this heavyweight division,

2035
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 2: where his hand speed is better, he can take anyone down,

2036
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 2: his gas tank is great. I'm not you know, I

2037
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 2: think he'll be fine moving forward, whether it's a Linton Vasselle,

2038
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 2: whether it's a you know, a Fortune or you know

2039
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 2: whoever else he goes in there against. But this division

2040
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 2: is really not all that crazy deep where I think

2041
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: he's gonna get caught in a while. This was a

2042
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 2: crappy fight, Luke. But Baiter is the class of this

2043
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 2: heavyweight division for now. I mean, when you look at

2044
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 2: who's capable, do you think Bader's greatest threat could be

2045
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,759
Speaker 2: eventually a light heavyweight moving up then an actual heavyweight.

2046
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 2: Because you got Corey Anderson saying, now, hey, if Videm

2047
01:28:58,240 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 2: Nemkov needs more time, why don't I go up there

2048
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 2: fight Baiter for the heavyweight title.

2049
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that's probably right. I mean it's not again,

2050
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 1: you look at the heavyweight division in belatory and you're like,

2051
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 1: who's that guy that's gonna beat Beater? Well, no one

2052
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 1: really stands out on the list, but a couple of things.

2053
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 1: As you know, every day that passes Ryan, we all

2054
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:16,919
Speaker 1: get a little bit older. But again, when you're an athlete,

2055
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 1: the sands in the hour glass appear to be getting

2056
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 1: close to the limit of where he's going to remain competitive.

2057
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 1: They've already passed for me at light heavyweight. Again, he

2058
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 1: could still win fights at light heavyweight, but he's not

2059
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: the best in class in belator anymore, not by a

2060
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 1: long shot actually, so that I think is next for heavyweight.

2061
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: The question is how soon Father time will have some

2062
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 1: ability to dictate this unless he just retires, So you're right,

2063
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 1: I think it's probably we might have to wait a

2064
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 1: little bit longer. But Ryan Bader I think is either

2065
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: at forty or pretty close to it. Dude, it won't

2066
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: be that much longer, like another year. How much how

2067
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 1: competitive can you remain with another year of aging at

2068
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, even in the beltor Heayway division. I'm skeptical

2069
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: that he has a long rain still in front of him.

2070
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 1: As good as he has been and as fruitful as

2071
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: a signing. It's been for him. I don't argue just

2072
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: the same.

2073
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 2: I still want to see Musasi go up and fight

2074
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 2: for the heavyweight title against them, but that's just me.

2075
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 2: Like in weird matchups, Luke, are you going to take

2076
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 2: that comment from producer Mikey Mormle to heart in which

2077
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 2: he said, Hey, guys, I suggested Corey Anderson moving up

2078
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:13,560
Speaker 2: to heavyweight and fighting Bader a while ago, and you

2079
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,600
Speaker 2: got shit on me. You guys pissed all over me.

2080
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,640
Speaker 1: We do our producers. We were unnecessarily cruel to them.

2081
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 1: So take that, Mikey. Fuck you, Mikey. How about that?

2082
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 1: All right? Wow? Wow, you're cool. I'm teesy, I'm teesz,

2083
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm teazing h b C Juoel Romero did get a

2084
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 1: third round t KO win in the co main event.

2085
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 1: I thought he looked good all things considered. You know,

2086
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: it was a It was a seemed like a fairly

2087
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 1: routine performance for him. He seems, what forty five years old,

2088
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 1: but he still looked to be for the most part.

2089
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: Joel Romero, what did you take from this?

2090
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know it was the right matchup. I know

2091
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:52,679
Speaker 2: POLIZI easy Palisi was a last minute replacement for Melvin Manhoof.

2092
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 2: But I think either of those against this version of

2093
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 2: Romero was the right sort of get get well fight.

2094
01:30:57,800 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 2: I mean, he got thrown in there against Phil Davis.

2095
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 2: We didn't love matchmaking. You saw what happened. He's not

2096
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 2: the same Romero. He's not the same Romero from the

2097
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 2: Sonia fight anymore. And by the way, he's forty five,

2098
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 2: let's allow him a chance to slow down a bit.

2099
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 2: He's still fun though. I think there's still a million

2100
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 2: fun fights you can make with him here. And you know,

2101
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 2: Polisi did his best to take big strikes and hang

2102
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 2: in there as his fake tattoos were falling apart. But Luke,

2103
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:22,680
Speaker 2: sometimes we got to be honest with ourselves. Belts are

2104
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 2: still rolling out the idea of Melvin Manhoof against Romero.

2105
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 2: In fact, they had man Hoof there, and I know

2106
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 2: he had a plo out of the fight because he

2107
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 2: took down some robbers, some home invaders potentially and did

2108
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 2: great service but hurt himself. But to bring Manhof in

2109
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 2: the ring and then you know, in the cage, and

2110
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 2: then you know already have a date to throw up

2111
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 2: on the screen and have that announcer the filling for Moro.

2112
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 2: Say it's it's an early Christmas president to MMA fans

2113
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 2: this September when Romero faces man Hoof.

2114
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure Melvin Manhof should be fighting anyway.

2115
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 2: Maybe I had a better childhood than most, Luke, where

2116
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 2: I expected more from Christmas May but bro water weed,

2117
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 2: dune hair.

2118
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, dude, what the hell are.

2119
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 2: We doing here? Seriously, Luke, what are we doing here?

2120
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 6: Bro?

2121
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not I'm not so sure to. I mean again,

2122
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 1: I'll say this. I thought this was actually a pretty

2123
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 1: good fight for Romero because the Phil Davis fight, it doesn't.

2124
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 1: Phil Davis just sucks all of the life out of

2125
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 1: his opponents and they can't. Really, they don't. No one

2126
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 1: ever looks good fighting Phil Davis, whether they win or

2127
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: they lose. It's just hard to look good against him.

2128
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 1: This was a case where you got to see Romero

2129
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 1: look pretty good and so for those reasons, and again

2130
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 1: it was last minut lot stuff, I didn't mind the fight.

2131
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 1: I think also look pretty good against Melvin Manhoff. My

2132
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: only point about that is again, Melvin Manhoff, you know,

2133
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 1: I dude, they's had a lot of vicious KOs that

2134
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 1: dude's been doing vicious KOs since cage rage was around.

2135
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: How many people remember cage rage? Wow, it was a

2136
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 1: long time ago. So I'm just not sure about the

2137
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 1: medical state of things. But you know, a relevant athletic

2138
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: commission will take a look at that. All right, BC,

2139
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 1: real quick?

2140
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 2: Do you think Yeah, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but

2141
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 2: it's important. Do you think if easy POLIZI was an

2142
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 2: ex marine that Beltrean would not have left him out

2143
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 2: there in round three to just get nearly decapitated.

2144
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 1: No such thing as an ex marine. All right, we

2145
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 1: go now to the PFL. BC. Kayla Harrison did win

2146
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 1: at PFL in the main event, but she was super

2147
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 1: critical of her performance. I gotta say I didn't love

2148
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 1: her performance either. Now, she won handily, it wasn't like

2149
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: really close. But the problem was, dude, she couldn't really

2150
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:33,640
Speaker 1: get her offense out of like second gear, so she

2151
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 1: was kind of winning on control and a little bit

2152
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: of ground and pound, not a whole lot else. Is

2153
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 1: she right to be as scrutinizing of her own performance

2154
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 1: as she was?

2155
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's tough. She was such a high price

2156
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 2: free agent. Right she comes back to PFL. They're launching

2157
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 2: a pay per view division next year. With her face,

2158
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 2: you know, as the face of it, you kind of

2159
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 2: expect her to walk in, finish everybody in the first

2160
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 2: two minutes and take home that million dollars at the

2161
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 2: end of the season. So anytime you get somebody who's big,

2162
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 2: tough and makes a decision that they're not going easy

2163
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 2: like Marina mak Hana Takena did that's how the family

2164
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 2: pronounced it like she did, Luke, I get it, But look,

2165
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 2: she was never in trouble, She never took shots. She

2166
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 2: dominated it. She played with her food a little bit

2167
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 2: at times, maybe, but you know, she didn't have somebody

2168
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 2: that was there to fold over. So Kaylie did fine,

2169
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 2: You're doing great, keep it.

2170
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: Up quickly on this. Do you believe her argument that

2171
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 1: maybe the one fifty five division needs to be like

2172
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying she thinks it needs to be put

2173
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:39,680
Speaker 1: on par with the one fifteen ers, but rather she

2174
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: seems to be arguing maybe it deserves a little bit

2175
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: more respect than it's getting.

2176
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 2: If we continue to see her in decisions or fights

2177
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 2: in which she can't just completely dominate, then yeah, let's respect.

2178
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 2: But Luke, come on, bro, we can't put any respect

2179
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 2: on the one four to five division. Seriously, we can't.

2180
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 2: There's not another you can't do that. So you know

2181
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 2: they got Julia, butden won fifty five. Only she lost

2182
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 2: on the undercard the other night, so I'm not gonna

2183
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 2: go that far with her.

2184
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 1: Luke all right. Also on the weekend from pfl an dude,

2185
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 1: Anthony Pettis, Oh my god, you got sharp as shit.

2186
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. You know the guys who he

2187
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 1: lost to, we now have respect for Clay Collar. We

2188
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 1: know how good he is. Houshman Field, we now know

2189
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 1: how good he is. Well, Clay Collar's on the level

2190
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: of houshman Field. But you know what I'm saying, They're

2191
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 1: not guys you can just take lightly whatever that's supposed

2192
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 1: to mean. But houshman Field is obviously quite good. Okay, dude,

2193
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 1: But I gotta say there was life in this performance

2194
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 1: from Anthony Pettis and step in his step when he

2195
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 1: talked to the cameras, and he even admitted maybe I

2196
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 1: didn't take these guys as seriously as I should. I

2197
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, is he now your dark horse to

2198
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 1: win the tourney? Wow?

2199
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 2: Dark horse will win the tournament. I'm gonna have to

2200
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 2: see him do this again. But you want to talk

2201
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 2: about a great first step forward, Luke. Unfortunately you've interviewed

2202
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,640
Speaker 2: Pettis as much as I have through the years. He

2203
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 2: tends to say that after every loss of you know,

2204
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 2: oh man, I need to start listening to my coaches more,

2205
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 2: or I need to whatever whatever was the issue last year.

2206
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 2: And I know, look, he's a promoter now, he's getting

2207
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 2: into different business things. But Luke, he got into like

2208
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 2: elite shape again. In fact, he is in such good

2209
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 2: shape that when he walked to the cage wearing a

2210
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 2: PFL T shirt, Mikey Mormial and I, who were watching

2211
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 2: it in his hotel room, go, We're like, why is

2212
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 2: Sergio Pettis there in a PFL shirt?

2213
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 4: Like, what are we doing here?

2214
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 6: Bro?

2215
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 2: He's the Bellator champion. No, it turns out it was Anthony.

2216
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 2: Like that shows you the shape he came in, Dude.

2217
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 2: He absolutely dominated Miles Price in this one. Yeah. Let

2218
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 2: you know, maybe this is his mulligan to try to

2219
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 2: come back and show what he should have done last season.

2220
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 2: But there's gonna be some tough outs here from Clay Collard,

2221
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 2: who beat Pettis last year to Jeremy Stevens who moved

2222
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:48,679
Speaker 2: up in Wait. I'm just happy for him, Luke, because

2223
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 2: Anthony Pettis has been you know, he's an og in

2224
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:53,639
Speaker 2: so many ways, but it's also a guy who never

2225
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 2: I mean, forget about never living up to the moment

2226
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:57,759
Speaker 2: of the showtime kick dude after he lost his title,

2227
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 2: He's just never the same again. Yeah, he alternates with

2228
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 2: the RDA beating.

2229
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 1: The RDA beating changed him.

2230
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 2: You're right, and I and I think also his his

2231
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 2: dedication to the craft has always been slower than it

2232
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 2: should have been because he's such an athletic freak who

2233
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 2: could do whatever he wanted to for so long. But look,

2234
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 2: whatever he needed to figure out internally to produce that

2235
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 2: version of him. He should stick with that, dude, because

2236
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 2: there's still something there. There's still something left in that tank.

2237
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,760
Speaker 1: And I, like everyone scoffs at the idea you leave

2238
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 1: the UFC, Oh, you'll just go win the PFL tournament. No, dude,

2239
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 1: If people leave the UFC and then go and win

2240
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 1: the PFL tournament, that is a major accomplishment that everyone

2241
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 1: should take seriously. We'll see what he does here, but

2242
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if he goes and he wins this tournament,

2243
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 1: I would be I would I would consider that to

2244
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 1: be a hell of a late career. Not resurgence, but

2245
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 1: certainly just a grand effort to get there. That's it's

2246
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 1: it's no walking the park to that end. By the way.

2247
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 1: Also over the weekend, Lorenz Larkin getting a nice win

2248
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: over Kyle Stewart and Rory McDonald over at PFL getting

2249
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 1: a nice He looked pretty good as well Rory McDonald.

2250
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 2: Right, he did. Roy McDonald looked like he was back.

2251
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 2: Let's not forget how disappointing his loss to uh Ray

2252
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 2: Cooper the third was last year?

2253
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 1: Correct?

2254
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 2: Is that what happened in the semifinals? Did I get

2255
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 2: that right?

2256
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:09,600
Speaker 1: Lot remember anymore? But yeah, he didn't look himself for

2257
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 1: a while.

2258
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 2: Basically well, Rory submitted Brett Cooper in this one in

2259
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:16,639
Speaker 2: the first round. But speaking of Ray Cooper the third, Luke, yikes,

2260
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 2: bro defending two time champion, came in five point four

2261
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 2: pounds overweight, was very doe and then he went in

2262
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:25,680
Speaker 2: there and yes, Ray Cooper did get a decision over

2263
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 2: Rory in last year's semifinals, But Luke and that cole

2264
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:30,719
Speaker 2: May and Ray Cooper went in there against Carlos Leal

2265
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 2: and he came up empty in a fun fight, a

2266
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 2: three round unanimous decision. Luke, that's a bad look for

2267
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:37,639
Speaker 2: defending two time champion.

2268
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 1: Who I mean?

2269
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 2: You and I were like, hey, rest of MMA world,

2270
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 2: Ray Cooper, the third's coming on, Bro, it's a step back.

2271
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 2: That's a big step back.

2272
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 1: I would agree, all right, that is our top five. Look,

2273
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 1: this is the most twelve two and we haven't even done.

2274
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 1: DMS from Donks bro we got to move it along.

2275
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 1: I love you, but we got to move it along.

2276
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 1: All right, Let's get to it now. DMS from Donks.

2277
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 1: There you go, he at mother f and Hall. All right,

2278
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 1: do I even have him? Yes?

2279
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:06,640
Speaker 6: I do.

2280
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:11,560
Speaker 1: Here we go, all right, bc BC from Brandon Baranowski.

2281
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 1: Who's stock dropped the most after Saturday? Tony Rose or Canelo.

2282
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Rose, Rose, what do you think?

2283
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,680
Speaker 2: Okay? So the stock question on Tony would would mean

2284
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 2: that most of us didn't have high expectations for a

2285
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 2: stock coming in, so it didn't change much, right, So yes,

2286
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 2: I would agree Rose's stock it was a it was

2287
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 2: a it was a skull banger. It was like what

2288
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 2: happened something?

2289
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 3: You know?

2290
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:40,760
Speaker 2: There was yeah about it.

2291
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:45,800
Speaker 1: Tony got viciously ko Canelo fought up several weight classes,

2292
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:48,639
Speaker 1: like both of them were trying. I'm not saying Rose

2293
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 1: wasn't trying, but Rose didn't try in a very offensive way, right,

2294
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:55,760
Speaker 1: And so you just have to say that, like, yeah,

2295
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 1: I mean Tony's loss is bad, Canelo's loss is bad.

2296
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 1: Rose only lost and lost the title, but like the

2297
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 1: fans were like, what the fuck was that?

2298
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:05,600
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, Dobe Bronx lost his title on

2299
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 2: the scales, yet won everything back of his reputation and

2300
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 2: more to the point, Luke, I think you and I

2301
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 2: acted this whole time with Bronstead or that he's still

2302
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:15,600
Speaker 2: the champion, right, Like we didn't even say, oh, the

2303
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:17,759
Speaker 2: vacant title, he's the number one contender. We just acted

2304
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 2: like he's still the champion. Rose unfortunately didn't take the

2305
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 2: l in the cage, right, I mean she did, but

2306
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:25,920
Speaker 2: she didn't put her best foot forward. And because of that, Yeah,

2307
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 2: it's a it's a mental sort of like knock of

2308
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:31,640
Speaker 2: like you let it, you let it slip away. It

2309
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 2: was your fault, and that's it's unfortunate someone that great

2310
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 2: it is.

2311
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's see from underscore the terrain is that

2312
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 1: a rain based off of his performance on Saturday? Did

2313
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:46,679
Speaker 1: we put too much stock in Gagee actually quote unquote

2314
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,639
Speaker 1: changing as a fighter. He seems to have reverted back

2315
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:51,840
Speaker 1: to his early UFC and World Series A fighting style

2316
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 1: in his last two fights. I'm not sure I fully agree.

2317
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, there's been somewhat of an undisciplined style,

2318
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: but that's really not the case, I would argue. I

2319
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:01,600
Speaker 1: think he still fought relative to what he did in

2320
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 1: the World Series of Fighting days, much more in an

2321
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 1: organized way for the most part. The problem is BC

2322
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,560
Speaker 1: two things I would say. One, there's just been no

2323
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:12,679
Speaker 1: effort to get better at jiu jitsu, like not really

2324
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:15,880
Speaker 1: not meaningful elite championship effort to get good at jiu jitsu.

2325
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:18,680
Speaker 1: And that' so that glaring weakness still shows up and

2326
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 1: not just as like you can't do that, but you

2327
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 1: have to now avoid that whole side of the game.

2328
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 1: And the other thing I would say is, yeah, there's

2329
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 1: something to be a little bit undisciplined about it, but

2330
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, dude, like he's what would you say, I'll tag.

2331
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:40,600
Speaker 2: No, okay, I would say that the evolution part. I

2332
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 2: don't have an issue there because he fought Chandler two

2333
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 2: fights ago, who lures everyone into a brawl, and this

2334
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:48,959
Speaker 2: past one. As I said even before the way in Fiasco,

2335
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 2: I think the best, the best medicine and for Gaichie

2336
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 2: might be to get into a brawl with with Olivera,

2337
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 2: because we know that he can be vulnerable and take shots.

2338
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 2: So I don't have a problem with that part of it.

2339
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:01,040
Speaker 2: And look, Gatechi came out dropped him twice, so what

2340
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:03,040
Speaker 2: are you going to say negative about that? But Luke,

2341
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:05,679
Speaker 2: as I sort of threw out there earlier to Bronstead

2342
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,599
Speaker 2: or and neither of you chose to take my bait,

2343
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:10,920
Speaker 2: I gotta take the l on on feeling that that

2344
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:13,040
Speaker 2: gay she's better than he actually is. Luke, that that

2345
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 2: gaping hole on the ground is just that. I mean,

2346
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 2: he was tapped with ease by Hobib and now Olivera.

2347
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 2: Now good two masters of the game in terms of

2348
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,759
Speaker 2: grappling and putting you in position to be subbed, of course,

2349
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:28,680
Speaker 2: but you know, there was very very little f you know,

2350
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to say very little effort, but very

2351
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 2: little uh defense.

2352
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:38,720
Speaker 1: He just you know he has to resort to very

2353
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:42,720
Speaker 1: you know, emergency tactics. And again I'll go back to

2354
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:46,600
Speaker 1: a BC. The new meta in MMA. My daughter is

2355
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 1: just throwing fucking beads underneath my door here of this one.

2356
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 1: But the point I wanted to make was, dude, the

2357
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:55,559
Speaker 1: new meta in MMA. They don't have to take you down.

2358
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,760
Speaker 1: They just have to find back exposure. And once they

2359
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 1: find back exposure, it's all over. Dude's it's a new ballgame.

2360
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:04,000
Speaker 1: All right?

2361
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:04,679
Speaker 2: Who's watching?

2362
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 1: Tukester?

2363
01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:05,599
Speaker 2: Right now?

2364
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 1: We have right now Abuela who is watching? But as

2365
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 1: you can see, just letting her throw shit under my door?

2366
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 1: All right? At joby underscore the underscore hut. With it

2367
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 1: now being obvious that the Gaishee fight changed, ferguson what

2368
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 1: are some of the most career altering fights in both

2369
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:28,559
Speaker 1: MMA and boxing? We see? If I may we should

2370
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 1: plug you know we don't. I mean, okay, let me

2371
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 1: just plug this. Tomorrow. We have an interview coming out

2372
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 1: with Rich Franklin from one we talked only about one things.

2373
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 1: I want to be clear about that, but you guys

2374
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 1: have heard me reference it on this show many times. BC.

2375
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:47,759
Speaker 1: Here's a great example, Rich Franklin beating up David Luazzo.

2376
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,920
Speaker 1: He was never the same afterwards. Is there one in

2377
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 1: boxing where you can just go back and be like

2378
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:54,520
Speaker 1: that dude never recovered.

2379
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 2: Two that jump out huge. I mean, look at when

2380
01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 2: somebody sub for catastrophic injury and then you know never again.

2381
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 2: That's obvious. But Meldrick Taylor against Julio Szarshavd Senior in

2382
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 2: their nineteen ninety bout, Taylor was just as we know,

2383
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 2: just electric in that fight, built a huge lead, but

2384
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:14,320
Speaker 2: Chaves chipped away with huge power shots and finally dropped

2385
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:16,200
Speaker 2: him at the end of round twelve. And we know

2386
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 2: Richard Steele famously stopped the fight with just seconds to go. Unfortunately,

2387
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:22,599
Speaker 2: Meldrick Taylor, who was a pound for pound level talent,

2388
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:26,720
Speaker 2: explosive speed, but a Philadelphia fighter to the fall. He

2389
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 2: took heavy internal damage in that fight and really was

2390
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 2: just never never the same, you know, was too willing

2391
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 2: to brawl the rest of his way and got old quick. Also,

2392
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 2: let's not forget when Hector Macho. Camacho was at the

2393
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 2: early peak of his game. He thought Rosario Luis Rosario

2394
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:44,840
Speaker 2: in a huge fight, and he got beat up in

2395
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 2: that fight even though he came back to win it

2396
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:49,640
Speaker 2: by rallying to box and Luke he became a defensive,

2397
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:53,439
Speaker 2: trash talking almost counter boxer the rest of the way,

2398
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 2: meaning negative boxer almost like you know, getting away from

2399
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 2: trouble and just trying to be a pot shotter or

2400
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:01,920
Speaker 2: earlier he was in all offensive aggressive force those jump

2401
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:06,759
Speaker 2: out Where else are we thinking in terms of modern

2402
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:10,880
Speaker 2: mma where somebody was coming on, they got solved violently

2403
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 2: and then they just fell off the side of the earth.

2404
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:19,560
Speaker 1: Luke, Barrow and Dillashaw. Yeah, yeah, that's got absolutely He

2405
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:21,479
Speaker 1: was never the same after that one either. He got

2406
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 1: absolutely worked. It's a bad one again for folks who

2407
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 1: an't wondering, like, well, I've seen guys take bad beatings

2408
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: and come back. Well again, not everyone's the same, not

2409
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:31,560
Speaker 1: every situation is the same. But what you're looking for

2410
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 1: is a steady beating that just continues round after round

2411
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,840
Speaker 1: after round after round. That is what you're looking for.

2412
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:42,679
Speaker 1: And you go back and watch that Gaetchee and Ferguson fight. Dude,

2413
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 1: it is. It is a one five minute chunk after

2414
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 1: the next of abuse, just straight up abuse. This is

2415
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:52,400
Speaker 1: why corner work is important. This is why fighter pay

2416
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 1: is important because if you just have the right circumstances

2417
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:57,640
Speaker 1: with the right When I say the right referee, I

2418
01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 1: mean a certain kind of referee, a certain kind of feel,

2419
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 1: you can go in there and you can get changed,

2420
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,240
Speaker 1: and if you get changed, your whole life gets upended.

2421
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 1: As a consequence, everything has to be done the right

2422
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:11,559
Speaker 1: way to the extent possible one. And if not, bad

2423
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 1: shit goes. It happens and will happen. It will happen

2424
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 1: in front of you.

2425
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:17,920
Speaker 2: And sometimes it's it's extreme. It's Ronda Rousey against Holly Holm,

2426
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 2: where yes she got beat up, yes she got knocked out,

2427
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:23,000
Speaker 2: but that the invincibility was gone to the level that

2428
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:25,679
Speaker 2: her career was over essentially in that moment. Right, it's wild,

2429
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:27,439
Speaker 2: you know all right?

2430
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 1: From Scott r. New what are the chances history repeats

2431
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 1: with a straw away title. In other words, Carla beats Rose,

2432
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 1: and then if Yo Wanna beats Zhang Way Lee, then

2433
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:42,320
Speaker 1: Yowana beats Carla, and then Rose beats Youana. Three. Are

2434
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:45,480
Speaker 1: we living in the matrix? Dude? It's not a crazy thoughts.

2435
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:48,400
Speaker 2: Not it's actually look long term, this is going to

2436
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 2: be actually be fun because if Rose is. As you know,

2437
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:52,960
Speaker 2: I watched the postfight comments of Rose at the press

2438
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:56,720
Speaker 2: conference here. She was upset, but like I still think

2439
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 2: she's like, Okay, I gotta go back to the drawing

2440
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 2: board and prove everybody wrong again. And by the way,

2441
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:03,559
Speaker 2: she's really good at coming back. She's really good at,

2442
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:06,320
Speaker 2: you know, putting it all back together and being even better.

2443
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 2: So it's very probable that she does come back, Luke

2444
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:13,360
Speaker 2: chip away and win big contender fights. And she's If

2445
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:15,920
Speaker 2: that's the case, dude, she's getting a trilogy against one

2446
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 2: of those three. I mean, it's wild, and you know

2447
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 2: she could lose her next one. It could be Mackenzie

2448
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:22,120
Speaker 2: durn sliding in for all we know. But the point

2449
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,439
Speaker 2: here is that the old names are back. They're all

2450
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 2: in great position and make some noise. You mentioned Androge,

2451
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 2: we shouldn't sleep on. You're gonna keep seeing in this

2452
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:32,639
Speaker 2: core group of four or five best at one point

2453
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 2: fifteen them keep fighting each other. And that's exciting as shit.

2454
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 1: Luke, it really is all right and last but not

2455
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 1: least at punch drunk Pete. It's a good question, actually, BC,

2456
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:45,600
Speaker 1: given the one sided nature of their first fight. In

2457
01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:48,640
Speaker 1: our mind anyway, more shit rolling under my door and

2458
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 1: the apparent willingness of both fighters to do a rematch.

2459
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:54,160
Speaker 1: Is it likely we see Canelo enter a second fight

2460
01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:57,880
Speaker 1: with Bivel as the betting underdog. Why or why not?

2461
01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 2: So that's interesting. We're normally surprised in this case. When

2462
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:05,840
Speaker 2: a big name gets upset, they're usually often still the

2463
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 2: betting favorite in the rematch because it's the idea of

2464
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:10,200
Speaker 2: they're the better fighter, they had a bad night at

2465
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:13,759
Speaker 2: the office. Think Anthony Joshua against Andy Ruiz right rematch,

2466
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 2: he's the betting favorite against Ruiz because it's sort of like, Okay,

2467
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna fix what was broken the first time around.

2468
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 2: This is not that case, even with the closest scorecards. Luke,

2469
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:27,799
Speaker 2: I gotta believe Bevall as a slim favorite minus one forty,

2470
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 2: or that's really the direction I see it going.

2471
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:35,559
Speaker 1: I would say, still, I'm thinking about this. I still

2472
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:41,840
Speaker 1: anticipate Canello gets the opening odds on a rematch will

2473
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 1: favor him, but I suspect that you'll move to like

2474
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 1: pick him territory by the time the fight rolls around.

2475
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 1: But I actually don't see Bival being the betting favorite

2476
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 1: by the time the fight starts. Maybe that's fair, maybe

2477
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 1: that's not. But I'm just saying what I think the

2478
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:01,320
Speaker 1: reality will reflect. If that makes it. Well, you were.

2479
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:03,160
Speaker 2: Surprised he was that much of a badass, though. That

2480
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:05,840
Speaker 2: surprised you that he fought like a man in there, right.

2481
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 1: He fought like a fight dude. I said it before

2482
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 1: the show, Eddie. I saw some interview Eddie Hearn did

2483
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 1: with a British outlet and he was like, dude, bif

2484
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:14,960
Speaker 1: fought the perfect fight. His jab was on point when

2485
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 1: it needed to be, his defense was on point when

2486
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 1: it needed to be, his positioning, everything, everything you needed

2487
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 1: to do to win twelve rounds basically, or twelve round fight,

2488
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:27,920
Speaker 1: I should say against Canelo he did. That's absolutely correct.

2489
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:31,640
Speaker 1: He fought a just an absolutely superb fight. From the

2490
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:34,680
Speaker 1: opening bell to the clothes. You can't take shit from him.

2491
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 1: He looked awesome and for that reason, I anticipate he'll

2492
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 1: win the second one unless it goes to the decision

2493
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:43,680
Speaker 1: and Canlo just a little bit better with it, in

2494
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:44,880
Speaker 1: which case, who the fuck knows.

2495
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 2: You know, that's funny. I came into this show thinking

2496
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:49,400
Speaker 2: I don't need to see a rematch. I hope Canelo

2497
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:51,880
Speaker 2: just takes the yell and goes in another direction. But

2498
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 2: you have talked me into the idea from an excitement

2499
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:58,080
Speaker 2: standpoint of seeing this the second time and seeing what

2500
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 2: tricks Canalo can come out with to change the come

2501
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:01,400
Speaker 2: I mean.

2502
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:04,200
Speaker 1: First, listen, you could say Canelo won the second or

2503
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:06,519
Speaker 1: a triple G fighter lost it, depending on your perspective.

2504
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:09,680
Speaker 1: But the second triple G fight was wildly different than

2505
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 1: the first. Yes, and so for what reason? Yeah, you

2506
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,760
Speaker 1: know you got to think about that a little bit. Okay,

2507
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:17,560
Speaker 1: see enough of us talking, Enough of old Aaron Broughtonsteader.

2508
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:18,920
Speaker 1: It's time for yours shit.

2509
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:22,599
Speaker 2: Thank you. I scoured the globe yesterday, Luke. I looked

2510
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 2: at the highs and lows, the good, the bad, the ugly,

2511
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 2: in the in between, in combat sports and beyond. This

2512
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:30,160
Speaker 2: is my gift to you, Luke. It's called have you

2513
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:30,920
Speaker 2: seen this shit?

2514
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 1: Have you seen this shit? Ow ow ow?

2515
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, you think we're going to start off

2516
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:43,080
Speaker 2: big here, but let's go to ces MMA. They had

2517
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 2: a show in North Dakota over the weekend on UFC

2518
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 2: Fight Pass. Look who showed up, The greatest fighter of

2519
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:53,439
Speaker 2: all time, John Jones, looking buff Luke. He told me

2520
01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 2: to announce the team. This is in North Dakota at

2521
01:50:56,640 --> 01:51:01,080
Speaker 2: ces MMA. He told that announced team he could return

2522
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 2: September twenty third in Las Vegas against Stepe. He said,

2523
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:09,120
Speaker 2: that's the hopeful date. So that that should show you,

2524
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:12,759
Speaker 2: look that the early negotiations are promising. Correct.

2525
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:15,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Why the hell was he in North Dakota.

2526
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 2: I don't have that at that in front of me.

2527
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:21,120
Speaker 2: Maybe chairing on a teammate, I'm not sure. Maybe maybe

2528
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 2: that's where you know, honey booboo is I don't know,

2529
01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, or what booble wild thing. I'm sorry, Look,

2530
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 2: I don't know his his situation. Okay, thank you. Oh,

2531
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 2: let's go to PFL in Arlington, Texas, Hey, Luke. Former

2532
01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:35,200
Speaker 2: belator champion A J. McKee showed up on the PFL broadcast,

2533
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:38,040
Speaker 2: got interviewed by the announced team with.

2534
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:40,560
Speaker 1: A little PFL shirt on, wearing.

2535
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:43,920
Speaker 2: A PFL shirt. What does that tell you about his

2536
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:44,960
Speaker 2: free agent future?

2537
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:48,920
Speaker 1: I talked to him right after he beat Patricio like

2538
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:50,800
Speaker 1: in that when then we were still bass. I think

2539
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:52,200
Speaker 1: it was at the Jake Paul fight, Remember that we

2540
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:54,400
Speaker 1: had a little conversation with him and I talked a

2541
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:57,799
Speaker 1: little bit after he At that point, he still seemed

2542
01:51:57,800 --> 01:52:00,920
Speaker 1: to be very hopeful to find a long term path

2543
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 1: with Bellatort. I wonder if things have said, and I

2544
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 1: don't know, by the way, but it seems like something

2545
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 1: turned either around the pit Bull rematch or since then,

2546
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:16,559
Speaker 1: because he appears to be looking with wandering eyes, if

2547
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:17,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, right.

2548
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:19,360
Speaker 2: I mean, the news was that he said, you know,

2549
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:21,719
Speaker 2: I want a million per fight, and he told Dariel

2550
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:23,719
Speaker 2: that they offered. The most they offered was five hundred

2551
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:26,920
Speaker 2: as a fight guarantee for every fight, and he wants

2552
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 2: he wants that, m Luke, and you know that maybe

2553
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:30,800
Speaker 2: this is telling you he's not going to get that

2554
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:31,599
Speaker 2: with that company.

2555
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 1: Who knows. We'll see, all right.

2556
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 2: Interesting Also on that PFL car we mentioned Anthony Pettis

2557
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:39,880
Speaker 2: before let's see the finish here, Luke against Miles Price.

2558
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:42,400
Speaker 2: You said, this is still called a triangle, but he

2559
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 2: basically ends up sitting on the guy's face. Luke, after

2560
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:45,920
Speaker 2: this reversal, I.

2561
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 1: Know there's nothing about it that's not a triangle. It's

2562
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:49,760
Speaker 1: just called a mounted triangle. And I got to tell you,

2563
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:51,840
Speaker 1: in order to get a mounted triangle, there has to

2564
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 1: be a massive difference in ground ability. It doesn't really

2565
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 1: happen between two people of a commensurate or even reasonably

2566
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 1: commensurate like something has to go or someone has to

2567
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:05,599
Speaker 1: make a tragic mistake. Roll it here, he pushes it across, Yeah,

2568
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:07,519
Speaker 1: and then rolls through on the other side. I mean, dude,

2569
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:10,840
Speaker 1: it you know this is a that's big bank, take

2570
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:11,400
Speaker 1: a little bank.

2571
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:14,719
Speaker 2: I mean, whenever they count down the most disrespectful dunks

2572
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 2: in NBA history, they always show Pippin over Ewing from

2573
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:20,280
Speaker 2: the ninety four playoffs, in which he dunked on him

2574
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:22,320
Speaker 2: with one hand and then t bagged him as he

2575
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:24,439
Speaker 2: you know, as he looked down. Is this the most

2576
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:27,639
Speaker 2: disrespectful submission, Luke, to essentially sit on a man's.

2577
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:31,599
Speaker 1: Face, it's pretty bad. Like again, like the amount of control. Yeah,

2578
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:32,760
Speaker 1: I mean he did a little bit different when he

2579
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:34,720
Speaker 1: locked up the triangle then rolled to mount. It's a

2580
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:36,559
Speaker 1: little bit different if you like mounted them and then

2581
01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:38,400
Speaker 1: put the triangle from mount, because that's a little bit

2582
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:40,960
Speaker 1: harder to do. But either way, it's a really, really

2583
01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 1: terrible look. Agreed.

2584
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:45,080
Speaker 2: Let's go to UFC two seventy four and Phoenix, Luke,

2585
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,840
Speaker 2: they announced what I think might be the final member

2586
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:49,600
Speaker 2: of this year's Hall of Fame class, and it was

2587
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:53,719
Speaker 2: announcer two division champion Daniel Cormier. Look at DC getting

2588
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 2: the love from the people, Luke.

2589
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, good for him, dude, what a class of I mean.

2590
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if he can't get into the

2591
01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:02,599
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, I'm not sure who could. He's been

2592
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:06,080
Speaker 1: extremely important for the UFC titles and two way classes.

2593
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:08,920
Speaker 1: He's blown up his profile back in collegiate wrestling where

2594
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:11,000
Speaker 1: he is now calling matches for them, which you did

2595
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:14,680
Speaker 1: for the National Championships on ESPN. He's done so well

2596
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:17,400
Speaker 1: for himself. You know, I wouldn't call him the biggest

2597
01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:19,400
Speaker 1: advocate of fighter pay with some of his views, but

2598
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:21,479
Speaker 1: as a fighter, he it was a joy to cover

2599
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 1: his career and this is a very very deserved honor.

2600
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:26,559
Speaker 2: I think he's still the best interview in MMA, meaning

2601
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:29,960
Speaker 2: he gives you the most you know, humility, honesty, like

2602
01:54:30,840 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 2: talks about his faults. The best damn interview in the game.

2603
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:36,440
Speaker 2: Let's go to Jared cannoneer, Luke. The celebs were out

2604
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 2: in in UH in the first few rows like normal,

2605
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:45,320
Speaker 2: Look at Al Joe, Molly, Meatball, Patty Cannoneer. Cannoneer's like,

2606
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:46,720
Speaker 2: how did I end up at this party?

2607
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Luke is fucking hilarious.

2608
01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 2: Are you still in canon, dude?

2609
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:54,760
Speaker 1: Cannoneer is me. That is me at the bar.

2610
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 2: It's reminiscent of that time they zoomed in on Rose

2611
01:54:58,480 --> 01:54:59,880
Speaker 2: when she was sitting next to Holly Holm that once,

2612
01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 2: but she gave that dirty look. Luke, are you in

2613
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:05,800
Speaker 2: on the Patty and Meatball like comedic marriage here? Are

2614
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:06,720
Speaker 2: you already over it?

2615
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I'm not hating on them. I mean

2616
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 1: they're doing their thing. They're a cheerful bunch, you know.

2617
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:14,760
Speaker 1: All right inside the case, I saw Aljamin Sterling still

2618
01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 1: getting booed. I did hear that?

2619
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it is what it is Portugal's Andre Fiallo

2620
01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:23,520
Speaker 2: Luke with this sneaky left hook ko on Cameron van Camp.

2621
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:25,720
Speaker 2: Look at the baseline view of it, damn.

2622
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the guy came in hands down into range.

2623
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:33,600
Speaker 1: That's yes, happened right there.

2624
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, little Floyd made it right there.

2625
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 1: I like that he didn't lead with the uppercut. But

2626
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:38,520
Speaker 1: this is why they say don't lead with the upper cut.

2627
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:41,120
Speaker 1: In this particular case, you can't. I get he didn't lead,

2628
01:55:41,160 --> 01:55:44,200
Speaker 1: but the lead hand didn't do much to distract or

2629
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:46,800
Speaker 1: really act effectively, so he was sort of almost in

2630
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:48,960
Speaker 1: a sense, nakedly throwing the uppercut. And this is why

2631
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:50,560
Speaker 1: I tell you don't do that, because if you just

2632
01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 1: throw it without a kind of setup where they're really

2633
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 1: having to react to it, you can get drilled.

2634
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:58,600
Speaker 2: And there you go, Doe Bronx's big victory. Charles olivera

2635
01:55:58,720 --> 01:56:01,720
Speaker 2: backstage with his team. Luke, this is how they celebrate.

2636
01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:09,280
Speaker 2: I mean, they deserved it, Luke.

2637
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:13,520
Speaker 1: Okay, they remind me of the twenty fourteen men's Columbian

2638
01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:16,080
Speaker 1: national team in soccer who danced every time they scored

2639
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:17,480
Speaker 1: a goal at the World Cup and it had the

2640
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:20,440
Speaker 1: world loving THEMBC. You remember that.

2641
01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:24,280
Speaker 2: I don't remember anything about that. Let's keep it going here, Luke.

2642
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 2: Here's Canelo Bevall. Here's the best highlight you can show.

2643
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 2: This was in the second half of the fight. Look

2644
01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:35,680
Speaker 2: at Bevall showing zero respect for Canelo with straight hard punches.

2645
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:35,960
Speaker 1: Luke.

2646
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:38,200
Speaker 2: That's, I mean, what a killer performance, dude.

2647
01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:40,800
Speaker 1: He's I mean, I'm not gonna say he's battering him here,

2648
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:44,160
Speaker 1: but like, like is he taking the fight to Canelo

2649
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:46,480
Speaker 1: like not an ounce of doubt.

2650
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,320
Speaker 2: It's hard to hit Canelo clean, and he basically backed

2651
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:53,000
Speaker 2: him up repeatedly and did just that. So shout out

2652
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:53,560
Speaker 2: to bevall.

2653
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:55,560
Speaker 1: Oh, let's put it on a fair and square dude,

2654
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:56,440
Speaker 1: Let's go to.

2655
01:56:56,520 --> 01:57:00,480
Speaker 2: Potti for bellatore two eighty. Luke, here's a little action

2656
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:04,280
Speaker 2: from Yolo Romero finishing easy policee. Luke, it was a

2657
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:07,080
Speaker 2: buzzer beater of sorts, although it looks like Mike Beltran

2658
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:10,280
Speaker 2: was like three seconds too late, Luke, I.

2659
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:14,280
Speaker 1: Know, well, here's the thing. The clock on the TV

2660
01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:17,400
Speaker 1: is not official, okay, so I don't know exactly how

2661
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 1: they did it. It looked to me, I mean, you

2662
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,440
Speaker 1: could have, dude, police, these people should not have let

2663
01:57:20,520 --> 01:57:22,360
Speaker 1: him out for the third round for crying out loud.

2664
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:27,240
Speaker 1: But that aside, bel Trand was just like, hey, just

2665
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's a street fight, fellas, fight.

2666
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:33,600
Speaker 2: It out, you know, if you're Juliana Velaskis. Though, Luke

2667
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:36,080
Speaker 2: Beltran waved that shit off a lot faster, right.

2668
01:57:37,080 --> 01:57:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Maybe maybe some inconsistencies there all right.

2669
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 2: On the undercard, Luke, Eve Landu had a victory here.

2670
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:48,000
Speaker 2: But but how do you score the dance, Luke, is

2671
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:48,920
Speaker 2: this is this?

2672
01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:49,240
Speaker 6: Uh?

2673
01:57:49,400 --> 01:57:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean this is this is a ten out of ten?

2674
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:56,120
Speaker 1: Are you? Oh? He almost didn't score the backflip. Okay,

2675
01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:58,000
Speaker 1: if he had missed the backflip, I would have docked him.

2676
01:57:58,040 --> 01:58:00,760
Speaker 2: But dude is like, are you shlack magic or something?

2677
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:02,360
Speaker 2: He's like bouncing on his forearms.

2678
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:05,400
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, this is This man is a hero and

2679
01:58:05,640 --> 01:58:08,560
Speaker 1: deserves the whatever the Presidential Medal of Freedom equivalent is

2680
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:09,120
Speaker 1: in France.

2681
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke, check out this finish between Usef Uabos and

2682
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:18,280
Speaker 2: Matthew do close first round TKO win for Uabos, but

2683
01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:23,720
Speaker 2: it was wild here Wabos. They're telling me they no

2684
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:26,080
Speaker 2: longer have it, Luke, Okay, we're gonna skip that. Look

2685
01:58:26,120 --> 01:58:29,120
Speaker 2: it up on the internet. Apparently we'll keep it going here, Luke.

2686
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what this kid's future is, but this

2687
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:33,800
Speaker 2: this video. I mean I watched it like thirty seven

2688
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:37,160
Speaker 2: times in a row. We're in the sugar aisle here

2689
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:38,040
Speaker 2: at the supermarket.

2690
01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:45,560
Speaker 1: This is me during quarantine. Dude, this kid rules. I

2691
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:47,640
Speaker 1: like how his eyes no longer line up.

2692
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:53,240
Speaker 2: Oh a huge scarface fan. Apparently this kid that's great.

2693
01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this guy was liking listen, I have partied

2694
01:58:55,720 --> 01:58:57,800
Speaker 1: with no dude. He came out of this and goes,

2695
01:58:57,920 --> 01:58:58,960
Speaker 1: I am sugar.

2696
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:02,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, there you go, machine gun Kelly. All right, hey,

2697
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:04,280
Speaker 2: how about some elder abuse. We haven't done this in

2698
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:06,160
Speaker 2: a while. Luke, we give you the youth of the world.

2699
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:09,520
Speaker 2: Now we give you since we do believe the children

2700
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:12,240
Speaker 2: are our future, let's go to old people getting hurt. Louke,

2701
01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:13,680
Speaker 2: this is if you're old, you got to stay out

2702
01:59:13,720 --> 01:59:14,280
Speaker 2: of the X Games.

2703
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:17,240
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, dude, yeah, dude, fuck fuck this boomer.

2704
01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:19,080
Speaker 1: You think I have an ounce of sympathy for this

2705
01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:26,040
Speaker 1: bitch ass motherfucker. It's like, dude, dude, look, you're balding

2706
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:29,360
Speaker 1: to the point where you know you have almost nothing left.

2707
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:31,680
Speaker 1: You didn't even bother to wear a helmet. Why the

2708
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:35,560
Speaker 1: fuck are you riding on this trick course, yeah, pretending

2709
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:37,720
Speaker 1: to be somebody or not. Get the fuck off the hill,

2710
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:38,320
Speaker 1: old man.

2711
01:59:38,840 --> 01:59:42,200
Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, take that, Grandpa. Let's go over to the

2712
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:44,840
Speaker 2: bus stop. Luke, you do have to be careful when

2713
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:49,160
Speaker 2: the new automated garbage trucks come out with that mechanical arm.

2714
01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:53,280
Speaker 2: I feel really bad for somebody's grandma here Luke trying

2715
01:59:53,360 --> 02:00:00,960
Speaker 2: for the trash bin. Oh shit, boy, that's not that

2716
02:00:01,160 --> 02:00:03,520
Speaker 2: is not good. Uh maybe that guy can help her.

2717
02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:05,360
Speaker 1: I don't know that is what city is this?

2718
02:00:06,280 --> 02:00:10,440
Speaker 2: Uh probably uh probably DC, like real.

2719
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:13,240
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, no, there are we still have we still

2720
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:14,840
Speaker 1: have human garbagemen here.

2721
02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:18,720
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep it going, Luke. We haven't seen

2722
02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:20,720
Speaker 2: any dongs in the wild lately, but here in the

2723
02:00:20,760 --> 02:00:23,560
Speaker 2: wild West they got him everywhere. Check out this cactus, Luke.

2724
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:29,080
Speaker 1: This is Amlo who is the president of Mexico. And

2725
02:00:29,320 --> 02:00:31,000
Speaker 1: if you hear the Spanish, she's like telling you, like

2726
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:33,120
Speaker 1: why Mexico is magic and shit like that. I bet

2727
02:00:33,200 --> 02:00:35,400
Speaker 1: it is. I bet it is ol Presidente. I bet

2728
02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:35,680
Speaker 1: it is.

2729
02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:39,160
Speaker 2: Look at the unit on that guy. Yeah wow, all.

2730
02:00:39,160 --> 02:00:42,880
Speaker 1: Right, dude, that is that is That is bulbous, is

2731
02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:43,520
Speaker 1: what I would say.

2732
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:46,480
Speaker 2: A new segment called Munchies of the Week. This is

2733
02:00:46,520 --> 02:00:50,120
Speaker 2: from Amano Pizza in Las Vegas. They have something called

2734
02:00:50,160 --> 02:00:51,840
Speaker 2: the Pizza Baby. Would you eat this?

2735
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:59,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so far, so good. Okay, all right, we're getting

2736
02:00:59,080 --> 02:00:59,720
Speaker 1: a little weird. Now.

2737
02:01:00,440 --> 02:01:02,160
Speaker 2: A lot of carbs in here, Luke. Okay, a lot

2738
02:01:02,160 --> 02:01:02,560
Speaker 2: of carbs.

2739
02:01:03,120 --> 02:01:08,320
Speaker 1: Another meatball and now cheese was at vodka, cheese sauce

2740
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:12,400
Speaker 1: on top o. My god, well, BC, I would eat

2741
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:15,280
Speaker 1: this on one condition. Could you give me a ride

2742
02:01:15,320 --> 02:01:21,280
Speaker 1: to the emergency room when my gallbladder explodes? Yeah, books,

2743
02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:24,480
Speaker 1: BC literally gave me a ride to the to the

2744
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:28,440
Speaker 1: er when my gallbladder nearly exploded. Yes, I have a

2745
02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:30,040
Speaker 1: feeling this would put it over the top.

2746
02:01:30,080 --> 02:01:32,320
Speaker 2: I'd advise you to eat this all right, Hey, let's

2747
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:35,040
Speaker 2: go to the to the MLB Baseball Wait wait wait.

2748
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:36,400
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, go back,

2749
02:01:36,440 --> 02:01:38,120
Speaker 1: go back, go back. What's the name of that account?

2750
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:42,000
Speaker 1: Look at the name of the Instagram account? Fat? Fuck?

2751
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:52,040
Speaker 1: That fucks you not? That is perfect, fucking perfect.

2752
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:54,440
Speaker 2: Luc It's good to see rival fans team up. Let's

2753
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:56,920
Speaker 2: go to Chai Town Cubs and White Sox fans here

2754
02:01:56,960 --> 02:02:00,960
Speaker 2: at this game decided to create a beer snake out

2755
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:02,040
Speaker 2: of all the can.

2756
02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:04,040
Speaker 1: I hate these people. They did this in a DC

2757
02:02:04,160 --> 02:02:06,520
Speaker 1: Defenders game when the XFL was real and I was

2758
02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:08,640
Speaker 1: hoping that every one of these people would catch you, Bola.

2759
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:11,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's all their cups, sorry, not cans,

2760
02:02:11,880 --> 02:02:14,600
Speaker 2: all their cups together. Look at the size of the snake, Luke,

2761
02:02:14,680 --> 02:02:15,440
Speaker 2: that's expensive.

2762
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:19,560
Speaker 1: I mean, can we put this effort into recycling fuck faces?

2763
02:02:23,960 --> 02:02:26,440
Speaker 1: I hate these losers. I hate all of these losers.

2764
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:30,160
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, Mother's Day yesterday. I know I had

2765
02:02:30,200 --> 02:02:33,200
Speaker 2: a great family day. But you know, there's no limits

2766
02:02:33,240 --> 02:02:35,120
Speaker 2: for women these days, Luke. They can do whatever the

2767
02:02:35,200 --> 02:02:38,160
Speaker 2: hell they want and sometimes often most of the time,

2768
02:02:38,240 --> 02:02:41,600
Speaker 2: do it better than you and I. So happy Mother's

2769
02:02:41,680 --> 02:02:45,360
Speaker 2: Day to this lady who's proving that extreme sports mixed

2770
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:48,800
Speaker 2: with public breastfeeding is no problem.

2771
02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:51,280
Speaker 1: Luke. You know, listen, I'm not one of these guys

2772
02:02:51,320 --> 02:02:55,600
Speaker 1: who tries to police you know, women breastfeeding in public.

2773
02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:58,960
Speaker 1: It's just it's natural. It's part of life. But I

2774
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:05,320
Speaker 1: got to say, in this butarticular case, that kid's probably

2775
02:03:05,400 --> 02:03:07,640
Speaker 1: headed forward vocational school. I'm just gonna point that out.

2776
02:03:07,720 --> 02:03:09,560
Speaker 1: This lady does not appear to be the brightest and

2777
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:12,680
Speaker 1: is clearly gonna have a moron child.

2778
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:15,760
Speaker 2: So let's say, and she's pregnant, as Geff just pointed out.

2779
02:03:15,640 --> 02:03:17,800
Speaker 1: To and she's pregnant as she pointed. Yeah, I mean,

2780
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:20,680
Speaker 1: this this lady is, you know, she's gonna raise some

2781
02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:21,480
Speaker 1: moron children.

2782
02:03:21,560 --> 02:03:24,080
Speaker 2: So let's just get right, Hey, let's head to the pool.

2783
02:03:24,200 --> 02:03:28,160
Speaker 2: Here's pool jumping done right. Look this is Andre Galvio

2784
02:03:28,480 --> 02:03:30,480
Speaker 2: of one Championship. You know him very well.

2785
02:03:31,640 --> 02:03:38,560
Speaker 1: Yes, pool jumping down to all time way not bad,

2786
02:03:38,720 --> 02:03:39,800
Speaker 1: not bad, not bad.

2787
02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:41,800
Speaker 2: Not bad. I thought he was gonna bite it there,

2788
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:45,400
Speaker 2: but he's got it. Well done GALVIAO luke, Now we'll

2789
02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:50,040
Speaker 2: do pool jumping done wrong. Here's here's a new sport

2790
02:03:50,120 --> 02:03:51,200
Speaker 2: called pool parkour.

2791
02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:57,480
Speaker 1: Fuck this person, let me guess is he white? BC?

2792
02:03:57,840 --> 02:03:58,040
Speaker 6: Oh?

2793
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:03,280
Speaker 1: So so out of care for some dumb ass, fucking

2794
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:07,720
Speaker 1: hippie loser who's into like touch button the park to

2795
02:04:07,880 --> 02:04:10,000
Speaker 1: crack his ribs at the on the pool at the

2796
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:12,280
Speaker 1: local fucking more Memorial Day cookout.

2797
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:14,960
Speaker 2: Uh luke. The only time I watched NASCAR is when

2798
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:16,600
Speaker 2: they fight. This is a few weeks ago, but did

2799
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:19,880
Speaker 2: you see Ty Gibbs take issue with Sam Mayer. So

2800
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:23,920
Speaker 2: you know what, we're in the pits. Let's throw down, bro, Dude.

2801
02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:26,840
Speaker 1: They do this in NASCAR all the time. They do this.

2802
02:04:27,120 --> 02:04:29,960
Speaker 1: They do this like the boys will be boys fighting

2803
02:04:30,040 --> 02:04:36,600
Speaker 1: in the pit. Dude, he goes, I want the smoke.

2804
02:04:36,680 --> 02:04:38,360
Speaker 1: Guy was like, you don't want this smoke. He's like, no,

2805
02:04:38,440 --> 02:04:40,720
Speaker 1: I want to smoke. He's like, you don't want to smoke. Okay, bitch,

2806
02:04:40,720 --> 02:04:44,800
Speaker 1: here's the smoke. Have it, have itoke, choke on that bong.

2807
02:04:45,120 --> 02:04:51,680
Speaker 6: Plussy bahone O Junior's gonna win, uh, Luke Terrell owens

2808
02:04:51,800 --> 02:04:54,560
Speaker 6: t o Remember that guy forty eight years old still

2809
02:04:54,680 --> 02:04:55,240
Speaker 6: suiting up.

2810
02:04:55,360 --> 02:04:58,520
Speaker 2: This is the fan controlled Football League, which is that

2811
02:04:58,680 --> 02:05:01,720
Speaker 2: new indoorly in which the fans can call the plays.

2812
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:05,720
Speaker 1: Going deep, KEO, gotta say that sounds like the worst

2813
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:06,320
Speaker 1: idea ever.

2814
02:05:06,920 --> 02:05:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much pretty much.

2815
02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:11,080
Speaker 1: But dude got it more muscular at forty six than

2816
02:05:11,160 --> 02:05:12,360
Speaker 1: you and I at twenty six.

2817
02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:14,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, at forty eight. There the crowd loves it.

2818
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:17,520
Speaker 2: That's great, all right, Luke, You and I had some

2819
02:05:17,600 --> 02:05:20,800
Speaker 2: good talks over the weekend about MMA rules, What should

2820
02:05:20,840 --> 02:05:23,360
Speaker 2: be legal, what isn't? What are your thoughts on twelve

2821
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:25,560
Speaker 2: six elbows to the sphincter.

2822
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:33,280
Speaker 1: Those are all the to the buttocks, to the hammies.

2823
02:05:33,800 --> 02:05:37,040
Speaker 2: I mean, is there any is there anything stopping fighters,

2824
02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:41,000
Speaker 2: whether you're in one or beyond, from aiming? Right for it, Luke,

2825
02:05:41,240 --> 02:05:42,400
Speaker 2: Right for the ass crack.

2826
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you who it was, but

2827
02:05:44,320 --> 02:05:47,480
Speaker 1: I had a famous sports journalist. I'm not doing a bit.

2828
02:05:47,560 --> 02:05:50,720
Speaker 1: This is real. Last week asked me, and he was like,

2829
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:52,360
Speaker 1: this is going to be a weird question, but just

2830
02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:55,400
Speaker 1: answer it for me. I was like, Okay, he goes.

2831
02:05:55,920 --> 02:05:59,400
Speaker 1: Can you get knocked out? Is it technically even possible?

2832
02:05:59,440 --> 02:06:02,800
Speaker 1: Can you imagine a scenario or someone punches you right

2833
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:09,000
Speaker 1: in the buttthole and it knocks you out. I don't

2834
02:06:09,080 --> 02:06:10,120
Speaker 1: know the answer to that question.

2835
02:06:10,240 --> 02:06:12,400
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, we need to speak with the

2836
02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:14,480
Speaker 2: true experts like rock hoods and yeah, I'm with you

2837
02:06:14,560 --> 02:06:16,720
Speaker 2: on that, Luke. All right, Luke, one of your favorite

2838
02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:19,320
Speaker 2: child books has now come to life on the cinema screen.

2839
02:06:19,640 --> 02:06:22,200
Speaker 2: This one's called Willy Wonka in the Weed Factory, Luke,

2840
02:06:22,200 --> 02:06:24,320
Speaker 2: I don't know where this is, but good god.

2841
02:06:25,600 --> 02:06:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, can someone just leave me here? Please? You

2842
02:06:31,360 --> 02:06:32,360
Speaker 1: to hear him? Leave me here?

2843
02:06:32,760 --> 02:06:34,800
Speaker 2: Could you breathe it underneath that? Probably?

2844
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:40,760
Speaker 1: I hope not, I really hope not. Listen, you don't

2845
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:42,960
Speaker 1: know how you're gonna die. You don't know when it's

2846
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:44,560
Speaker 1: coming for you, and you don't know how bad it's

2847
02:06:44,600 --> 02:06:47,640
Speaker 1: going to be. Suffocating inn a mountain of weed. I

2848
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:50,040
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, Yeah, there are worse ways to go.

2849
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:53,440
Speaker 2: My friend, Officer, he went out doing what he loved.

2850
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:56,000
Speaker 2: So this is not a tragedy. This is a triumph,

2851
02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:58,360
Speaker 2: all right, Luke, Let's go to karate. I don't normally

2852
02:06:58,440 --> 02:07:02,400
Speaker 2: show wins on this shows, normally Big L's. But uh, dude,

2853
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:04,000
Speaker 2: have you ever gone to one of those karate shows

2854
02:07:04,040 --> 02:07:05,960
Speaker 2: and people are breaking boards? They didn't used to break

2855
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,040
Speaker 2: them like this in the eighties. Dude, what's going on here?

2856
02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:11,880
Speaker 1: This is taekwondo?

2857
02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:15,080
Speaker 2: I think right, I mean, it's all karate to me, Luke.

2858
02:07:16,280 --> 02:07:19,160
Speaker 1: I believe that's a taekwondogi. But I can't be certain

2859
02:07:19,200 --> 02:07:21,320
Speaker 1: because I don't really know that much about taekwondo, but

2860
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:22,040
Speaker 1: I believe it is.

2861
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:24,400
Speaker 2: Gaff has confirmed that it's taekwondo.

2862
02:07:24,920 --> 02:07:27,160
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen these like these boards that they break?

2863
02:07:28,520 --> 02:07:30,120
Speaker 1: It's like you know, you know that, you know when

2864
02:07:30,160 --> 02:07:31,680
Speaker 1: you go to church and you do communion and they

2865
02:07:31,720 --> 02:07:33,320
Speaker 1: give you that like piece of bread and it's like

2866
02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:34,760
Speaker 1: a little circle or whatever. I mean.

2867
02:07:34,920 --> 02:07:35,720
Speaker 2: I grew up Catholic.

2868
02:07:35,800 --> 02:07:36,160
Speaker 5: I know that.

2869
02:07:36,280 --> 02:07:38,800
Speaker 2: Why do you know that? You you? Uh?

2870
02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:40,800
Speaker 1: I went to church for a while. Then I realized

2871
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:42,120
Speaker 1: it's a waste of time. But the point I want

2872
02:07:42,160 --> 02:07:42,480
Speaker 1: to make.

2873
02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:44,480
Speaker 2: Was, you're more likely to bark at the moon, Luke

2874
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:45,160
Speaker 2: than anything else.

2875
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:48,560
Speaker 1: Right, those little wafers. These little boards are not much

2876
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:49,360
Speaker 1: stronger than those.

2877
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:52,320
Speaker 2: Just just to be clear, all right, a couple more

2878
02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:54,480
Speaker 2: left hair, Luke, we got puke. We got more puke.

2879
02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:57,200
Speaker 2: Uh you know they we were taught at a young age.

2880
02:07:57,200 --> 02:07:59,800
Speaker 2: And never trust a fart. Never trust a baby either, Luke.

2881
02:08:00,680 --> 02:08:04,440
Speaker 1: Oh dude, they will. They will piss and ship and vomit.

2882
02:08:04,760 --> 02:08:05,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, take that.

2883
02:08:06,040 --> 02:08:11,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, give give daddy a big kiss. Yeah that's great, thanks, Ky.

2884
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:15,200
Speaker 1: He take that, baby bird, take that, Luke.

2885
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:17,440
Speaker 2: The world is opening up again, so your return to

2886
02:08:17,480 --> 02:08:20,880
Speaker 2: the subways are inevitable. Check out this trick to get

2887
02:08:20,920 --> 02:08:23,280
Speaker 2: an open seat. I didn't think it would work.

2888
02:08:33,880 --> 02:08:40,920
Speaker 1: God, I had the New York City subway. This is

2889
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:42,680
Speaker 1: in New York City, though this is way too clean.

2890
02:08:43,200 --> 02:08:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's probably like Toronto or something. But it works, Luke,

2891
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:49,080
Speaker 2: it works all right. Finally, I got one more for you, Luke.

2892
02:08:49,840 --> 02:08:52,000
Speaker 2: You know I've been involved in some dirty tricks pranks

2893
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:56,360
Speaker 2: on people, but nothing this gross your thoughts on this guy,

2894
02:08:57,000 --> 02:09:09,080
Speaker 2: I've got you a gift. It's pure methane.

2895
02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:21,760
Speaker 1: Oh my lord, dude, that's that dude. If you do this,

2896
02:09:22,640 --> 02:09:25,120
Speaker 1: the person who is the victim true or false. They

2897
02:09:25,200 --> 02:09:27,320
Speaker 1: have a right to stab you. I'm not saying shoot you,

2898
02:09:28,360 --> 02:09:30,200
Speaker 1: but they definitely have a right to stab you.

2899
02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:32,680
Speaker 2: Well, the last time I farted in a in a

2900
02:09:32,720 --> 02:09:34,640
Speaker 2: plastic bag and gave it to somebody, they didn't open

2901
02:09:34,680 --> 02:09:38,920
Speaker 2: it with their mouth. Luke, Okay, that was her first mistake, right, Wow.

2902
02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:42,320
Speaker 1: Dude, you didn't notice this, But every time uh Damien

2903
02:09:42,360 --> 02:09:46,400
Speaker 1: from Albania turned on the clippers, I was just ripping

2904
02:09:46,520 --> 02:09:47,720
Speaker 1: as in that STUDI.

2905
02:09:49,560 --> 02:09:52,000
Speaker 2: From Etiquette barbershop in Jersey City. When he was cutting

2906
02:09:52,040 --> 02:09:55,400
Speaker 2: our hair, you were you were just crop dusting underneath that.

2907
02:09:55,600 --> 02:09:57,800
Speaker 1: Sorry, when I should say when you were getting your

2908
02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:02,080
Speaker 1: hair cut, I was crop dusting in your seat. That's

2909
02:10:02,120 --> 02:10:02,640
Speaker 1: a great.

2910
02:10:02,520 --> 02:10:06,880
Speaker 2: Reveal, you know. You're like, yeah, wow, all right, Luke. Yeah,

2911
02:10:07,080 --> 02:10:09,200
Speaker 2: that's all the shit I got this week. You probably

2912
02:10:09,240 --> 02:10:11,160
Speaker 2: have another job, right, No.

2913
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:14,600
Speaker 1: I have another podcast probably to record today, but not that.

2914
02:10:15,680 --> 02:10:17,440
Speaker 1: All right, what a show? We went long, dude, We

2915
02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:19,600
Speaker 1: went really long. I do. We got to say thanks

2916
02:10:19,640 --> 02:10:21,800
Speaker 1: to the crew in studio that helped us out. We

2917
02:10:21,840 --> 02:10:23,839
Speaker 1: should also talk about BC. We have a Rich Franklin

2918
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:27,040
Speaker 1: interview coming out I believe tomorrow, and we pushed him

2919
02:10:27,160 --> 02:10:29,400
Speaker 1: a little bit. We definitely. We asked him about like

2920
02:10:29,480 --> 02:10:32,080
Speaker 1: the way in situation being you know, a little bit suspect.

2921
02:10:32,760 --> 02:10:39,400
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm excited about it because one is

2922
02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:42,000
Speaker 2: comming on to some degree. They've got the Amazon deal.

2923
02:10:42,040 --> 02:10:44,160
Speaker 2: We talked to Rich about that. They're looking to make

2924
02:10:44,200 --> 02:10:47,640
Speaker 2: the invasion and it's going to be interesting, Luke. Can

2925
02:10:47,720 --> 02:10:50,080
Speaker 2: they do something to grab our attention? I think at

2926
02:10:50,080 --> 02:10:52,280
Speaker 2: the very least, you know, Rich Franklin, the vice president

2927
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:54,560
Speaker 2: of One was was able to hear some of our

2928
02:10:55,160 --> 02:10:58,000
Speaker 2: concern some of our you know whatever, and answer it

2929
02:10:58,080 --> 02:11:01,200
Speaker 2: in a productive conversation. So our fans have wanted more

2930
02:11:01,280 --> 02:11:03,240
Speaker 2: One combat. God, it's a great time to go up

2931
02:11:03,240 --> 02:11:05,200
Speaker 2: and down with a legend like Rich Franklin. So I

2932
02:11:05,320 --> 02:11:08,440
Speaker 2: encourage everybody to check that out tomorrow, Luke. A lot

2933
02:11:08,440 --> 02:11:10,080
Speaker 2: of people are still tweeting at us. When is that

2934
02:11:10,280 --> 02:11:12,280
Speaker 2: that High Court episode going to see the light of day?

2935
02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:12,960
Speaker 2: Hopefully soon?

2936
02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:17,320
Speaker 1: Okay, I would say soon, but we are waiting on

2937
02:11:17,480 --> 02:11:19,680
Speaker 1: certain news to break so we can attach that to

2938
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:22,120
Speaker 1: the news and it will happen, but it may take

2939
02:11:22,120 --> 02:11:24,520
Speaker 1: a little while, but it's it's coming, so don't worry.

2940
02:11:24,640 --> 02:11:28,560
Speaker 2: And man all right, see fans of Morning Combats hair

2941
02:11:28,680 --> 02:11:31,720
Speaker 2: parts from Neon Dion to shout out but fans of

2942
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:35,040
Speaker 2: Morning Combat's new internet interview series, Luke, that has yet

2943
02:11:35,080 --> 02:11:36,720
Speaker 2: to be announced. We put a couple.

2944
02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:38,280
Speaker 1: I guess you just announced it, didn't you.

2945
02:11:38,520 --> 02:11:40,200
Speaker 2: We put a couple on the bank over the weekend.

2946
02:11:40,320 --> 02:11:41,920
Speaker 1: Right, we did put a couple in the bank. We

2947
02:11:41,960 --> 02:11:43,240
Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff coming. We just can't really

2948
02:11:43,320 --> 02:11:45,560
Speaker 1: talk about all that just yet. Nevertheless, be see what

2949
02:11:45,600 --> 02:11:46,800
Speaker 1: did your wife say about your haircut?

2950
02:11:49,600 --> 02:11:53,080
Speaker 2: Hated it? Two snaps down, Luke.

2951
02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:57,080
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right. Reminder, Showtime is the label that pays.

2952
02:11:57,120 --> 02:11:58,680
Speaker 1: You can go to showtime dot com get a thirty

2953
02:11:58,720 --> 02:12:00,440
Speaker 1: day free trial. If you like it, you can keep it.

2954
02:12:00,480 --> 02:12:02,040
Speaker 1: If not, you can do something else with your life.

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat at gmail dot com. Wednesday's fans subs Friday

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Speaker 1: is dead wrong or just to reach the show. That's

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Speaker 1: the email. We of course, are all over social. Let's see,

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Speaker 1: We're on Instagram, We're on Twitter, We're all over all

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Speaker 1: different places. You can give us a follow there like

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Speaker 1: the video hit subscribe. Thanks to everyone who is a

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Speaker 1: new subscriber. We do this three times a week so

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Speaker 1: we can join us. Monday, Wednesday Friday eleven am plus

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Speaker 1: we have a lot more coming out. We'll have extra

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Speaker 1: credit coming out. We'll have the Rich Franklin interview coming out.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of stuff plus Morning Combat Dot store.

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Speaker 1: As you can see there, you see. Any final thoughts

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Speaker 1: this all.

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Speaker 2: The smoke sweat suit is great.

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Speaker 4: Can you see it?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's great. I do, I see it. I

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Speaker 1: see you with your terrible socks and excellent haircut. All right,

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Speaker 1: So for CBS Sports, for Malka, for showtime, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for watching. Shouts to Aaron Bronsitter, go follow

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Speaker 1: his work and until next time, may all of your

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Speaker 1: gains be loyal.