1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Now come from that man, Samuel Little, the most prolific 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: you as serial killer in history. We have just gotten 3 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: our myths on spine, chilling confessions and jailhouse sketches that 4 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: Little draws off his victim. Can you just imagine all 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: these families, the children of these women ninety three that 6 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: we know of, the husbands, the boyfriends, the moms and dad's. 7 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: Oh dear lord, they think that their daughters left and 8 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: never came back, just left them, abandoned them. They never 9 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: knew what happened to mommy. They never knew what happened 10 00:00:53,159 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: to their daughter, their girlfriend, their lover, their fiance. Oh 11 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. What do you think if 12 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: the first time you hadn't killing? Nineteen nineteen seven? Did 13 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: you remember the first one? Who years? Yeah? Cool hand? 14 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: They never she haled down? And what does this happen? 15 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: You know? So how long after the first one before 16 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: you did the second one without a month too? They said, 17 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: you're going pretty quick? Yeah? Man, did you kill her? 18 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: What happened? Same same procedure. I kissed him anything kissing on? 19 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: I see what's to do if I run with you? 20 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: And what that could do? You did? But bless the Lord, 21 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: Oh dear Lord in Heaven. I mean, ye, Grace, this 22 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, with 23 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: me truly an all star panel medical examiner for the 24 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: State of Florida, doctor Tim Gallagher, forensics expert, founder of 25 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: Beer Bones Consulting, Karen Smith, former FBI special agent, host 26 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: of Facebook watch series Curse of Akacre, Bobby Chicone, and 27 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalyst out of Hollywood, Bethany Marshall. You know, first, 28 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: I gotta go to levi page Crime online dot com 29 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 1: investigative journalists where you can read about this and all 30 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: other breaking crime and justice needs. You know what, Levi. 31 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: As much as I want to hear from you, I 32 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: got to hear it from the horses mouth. We have 33 00:02:50,480 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: tapes of serial killer Samuel Little Listen in New Orleans. 34 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: We walked outside it and she looked to see my 35 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: car that link it to you know, that's a beautiful 36 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: car too, So she had arm and arm walked into 37 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: the car. We got in, stopped at the gas station. 38 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: We went on the highway tin and going towards Slide. 39 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: Ill seen the sign see Little Woods, so I cut off. 40 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: I took off the exit went and that short enough 41 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: was the road leading into the woods, and we went 42 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: in and park. So we finally got to where we 43 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: were going into the by by the river, a little 44 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: water being in the big the head of machine out there, 45 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: a little river dragged dredged. I grabbed my legs and 46 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: pull it to the water. That's the only one that 47 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: I ever killed. My drumming. Describe the location where she's wife. Okay, 48 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: I know he's still on the wards. Oh dear Lord. 49 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: I know I keep saying, oh dear lord, but just 50 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: hearing him and hearing him laugh. Now, before I had John, 51 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: David and Lucy, the twins, I would go very often 52 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: with one of my best friend girls, Renee, who sadly 53 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: is a defense lawyer, but she and her whole very 54 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: extensive Cajun family, we would go visit them. Drive all 55 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 1: the way from inter City Atlanta after court, right there 56 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: to the Slydale area. I know, I think exactly what 57 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: he's talking about, Oh my leavipage crime online dot com 58 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: investigative journalist. Did you hear him laughing? Yes, and he's 59 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: talking about them very casually. He's laughing, he has a 60 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: smile on his face. You would think that he would 61 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: be talking about a happy time in his life, and 62 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: the psychologist and the experts can talk about and maybe 63 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: this was a happy time in his life, but it's 64 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: extremely disturbing to listen to him confess to all of 65 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: these murders. And we know that he's responsible confirmed for 66 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: about fifty murders out of about ninety three that he 67 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: has confessed to, that making him the most prolific serial 68 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: killer in the US, surpassing Gary Ridgeway, who was convicted 69 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: of forty nine murders in the state of Washington. Believe 70 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: I pays. You're just a found of information, aren't you. 71 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I could have done without hearing about Ridgeway 72 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: on top of Samuel Little, but you just had to 73 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: do it. Well, actually leave, You're right, Bethany Marshall. I 74 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: want to Jackie, if you don't mind, I want to 75 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: go back and play that first sound we heard of 76 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: Samuel Little. Listen as he describes to Texas Rangers, how 77 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: quote she wanted this to happen years. Yeah, Nick, she 78 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: hadent what does this happen? You know? So how long 79 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: after the first one before you did the second one? 80 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: About a month? They said, you're going pretty quick? Yeah, 81 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: did you kill her what happened, same same procedure. I 82 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: just anything. I see what's to do and what I 83 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: could do. To the second victim, he says, what would 84 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: you do if I choked you? And he says, she 85 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: wanted this to happen. You know what, I usually hear 86 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: that in rape cases, Bethany Marshall, I don't usually hear 87 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: that in murder cases. Well, what about things we know 88 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: about serial killers is that they have prolific fantasy lives. 89 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: They infuse the memory of the crime as well as 90 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: the crime itself with sexual excitement. That's one of the 91 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: ms of the crime is to choke look at the 92 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: victim's face to increase their sexual arousals. So he's probably 93 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: thought about these crimes so many times while he's in jail. 94 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: He's relived, he's changed their narrative. He has all kinds 95 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: of fantasies about what it meant to the woman. So 96 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: giving the interview not only is giving the interview a 97 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: form of reliving the crime because he's enjoying talking about this, 98 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: but he's changed the narrative again and again to either 99 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: minimize the severity of what he did or to infuse 100 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: it with more excitement. Because you know, all he's doing 101 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: is sitting in jail with his fantasies. That's all he 102 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: has at this point, to doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical 103 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: examiner for the State al Florida, Doctor Gallagher, did you 104 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: hear what Bethany just said? I mean, just the thought 105 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: of him getting enjoyment as he watches the victims strangle. 106 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: What does a victim physically go through as they are strangled. 107 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I can only assume they know what's happening. 108 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: It's not like you get a blow to the head 109 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: or your throat a slice, or you take a bullet 110 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: and you're gone. That's it. Immediate here, you know what's 111 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: happening to you. You know you're dying. Well, that's true, Nancy. 112 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: You know, being manually strangled as a very protracted thing 113 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: and could take as long as a three minute. While 114 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: you're being strangled, you then become consciously aware that you 115 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: are now fighting for your life, and then every ounce 116 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: of strength you have you're going to direct it toward 117 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: the person who's attacking you, until finally you run out 118 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: of strength, your body is deprived of oxygen, and then 119 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: you cannot fight any longer. You become unconscious, and then 120 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: after a while you suffer irreparable brain damage and that 121 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: leads directly to your death afterwards, as you are being 122 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: deprived of oxygen. What would someone experience, I'll give you 123 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: a sugarcoated version. Do you remember the Alfred Hitchcock movie 124 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: where Grace Kelly, the husband of course, he is trying 125 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: to kill our blah blah blah, and she is being 126 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: strangled with a stocking and she is I want to 127 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: say dial infra murder, but anyway, long story short, you 128 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: see her struggling and fighting to live, and slowly the 129 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: energy is emmy out of her. Having seen real strangulation victims, 130 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: manual or literature strangulation victims, it's not as airbrushed as that. 131 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: The small blood vessels in your eye do burst and 132 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: they form little hemorrhages that you can see on the 133 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: white parts of your eye. But you know before that, 134 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: you know we've we've found flesh under the fingernails of 135 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: victims who were manually strangled, and it's it's often their 136 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: own flesh trying to get the hands off of them, 137 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: and it's quite often the flesh of the sailor. We 138 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: can get DNA from that and then identify you know 139 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: who was doing the strangulation. But typically as your brain 140 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: is the pride to oxygen, the first thing you developed 141 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: is a very focused tunnel vision and you are looking 142 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: directly at your attacker. And as the as the peripheral 143 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 1: vision starts to close off, you start to um blackout, 144 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: and then you start to become unresponsive, and then after 145 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: that death is soon to follow. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. 146 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: Tell me about mary Anne. This our tun popped up. 147 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: Take her to the store, right, you didn't you ready 148 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: to go back to the fire. I went down to 149 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: a cels that's going down to Fort Elliot. It turns 150 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: into it runs into Elliott, right, but further out to 151 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 1: get further to get out of Miami. And you got vegetation, man, 152 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: And I've seen a road going off the main road 153 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: back into vegetation on this left side. I got it 154 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: out of the car, pulled and drugger into the roofs 155 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: that there, and pulled her deeper into is a path, 156 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: a little path somewhere. I don't know where it led 157 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: it to, but it running deeper into the under roof. 158 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: It's like ever blades like that. And we ran into 159 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: some water running. But before the we got to the water, 160 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: the earth was mushy. I turned loose and she fell 161 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: into her face down. And how far outside of Miami? 162 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: To think you were about a mile? Two miles? What 163 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: year did Marianna her? Uh? Sheeling it too? Joining me 164 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: from our special agent with the FBI. Host of Facebook 165 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: watch series Curse of Agricore, Bobby to count. Bobby, what 166 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: do you make of that? Well, you can hear him. 167 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: You can hear a little talk about the locations he 168 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: was choosing right this road that ran off into into 169 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: the Everglades. He knew that these were places that he 170 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: could that his predatory behavior would would be successful because 171 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: it was off the beaten track, that was maybe nobody around. 172 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: And so you can hear his conscious thought as a predator. 173 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: This is the mind of a predator. And this is 174 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: the same thing that goes with any predator that's stalking 175 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: its prey. It's it's it's judging the location, it's knowing 176 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,479 Speaker 1: when to strike, and those those factors. And it's fascinating 177 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: to hear this predator go through that mental exercise because 178 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: we know what happens, but to hear him verbalize it 179 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: that you know he's in his mind analyzing the scene 180 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: as he's that it's happening. He knows there's a potential 181 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: victim there. He's seeing the road that leads off into 182 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: a isolated place, and you can hear him talking very 183 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: matter of factly doing that Analyson in his head that 184 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: that you know, we always talk about a predator going 185 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: through but it's it's chilling when you can hear him, 186 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: you know, literally articulate the process that's going on in 187 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: his brain and when he sees a potential victim and 188 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: he's analyzing whether he should strike. We have obtained actual 189 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: audio of the most prolific serial killer in the US. 190 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: We believe at least ninety three women killed by him, 191 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: usually the same m the same modus operandi, method of operation. 192 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: Are there more? Listen to him in his own chilling words, Flora, 193 00:13:50,160 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: he's cooled down. Wow, I'm saying, how many law I 194 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: know the lost control and always was good, tough in 195 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: terms to keep from getting busted. And I had that 196 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: it would be missed no women and nurses and to 197 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: the teachers, or that's why I did busted the time. 198 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: You're like, white girls are black girls? Backer black? And 199 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: I ain't backing prayer a little black? Did you hear 200 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: that he doesn't want to be prejudiced? And who which 201 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: women he picks to kill with me? Doctor Bethany Marshall, 202 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: Bobby Jacone, Karen Smith, doctor Tim Gallagher, and Levi Page 203 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: Karen Smith, forensics expert, founder of Bare Bones Consulting. So far, 204 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: the FBI is saying that they have confirmed their were 205 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: not mine, confirmed fifty of his confessed ninety three murders. 206 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: How can they do that because some of these murders 207 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: date years back. They do, These date back to nineteen 208 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: sixty six. I believe was one of the first ones 209 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: when he was starting to offend and do armed robberies 210 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: and things like that. So it's not that we have DNA, 211 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: it's not that we have the direct evidence. But what's 212 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: remarkable about Samuel Little, as vile as he is, is 213 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: his memory. This man has detailed these murders, the location 214 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: where he was, the timing, he described, the clothing, He 215 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: described things that he got busted for while he was there, 216 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: shoplifting and other things that there are records of. So 217 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: they can go back, maybe talked to surviving family members, 218 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: describe these women, show them drawings that Samuel Little has 219 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: done and make identifications that way. So it's not that 220 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: they have the direct DNA or a fingerprint or anything 221 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: like that. They have is the timeline, his descriptions, the information, 222 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: and they went from there to say that, yeah, they're 223 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: confidence that these fifty belonged to Samuel Little. Right now, 224 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: the FBI desperately asking for your help to identify so 225 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: many of the ninety three alleged victims of serial killer 226 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: Samuel Little, including one woman he murdered in Laurel. Listen. 227 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: Samuel Little says he strangled ninety three people in nineteen 228 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: states between nineteen seventy and two thousand and five. The 229 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: seventy nine year old is in California serving multiple life 230 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: sentences and just recently began admitting to murders investigators believe 231 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: are credible. I can truly say Samuel Little is a 232 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: true monster. He's every woman ultimate nightmare. One of his 233 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: alleged murders happened in Laurel in nineteen seventy two. Little 234 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: admitted to picking up the victim's summer at a Washington, 235 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: DC bus station, later drove her to a wooded area 236 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: where Little said they had sex and he strangled her. 237 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: He described it when I interviewed him in a way 238 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: where he was actually excited about describing how he did. 239 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: He's this murder. A hunter found her body months later. 240 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: He described a victim and the way at the medical 241 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: examor to describe their matched everything matched. Investigators gave little 242 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: supplies to draw his victims. When sixty Minutes got to 243 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: look this weekend, There and the bottom left is a 244 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: Jane Doe from Prince George's County. Officials say she was 245 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: between twenty and twenty five years old and possibly originally 246 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: from Massachusetts. Little parade on vulnerable women across the country, 247 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: As he told CBS News by phone to another person, 248 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: they did well, I'd like you to do stop. They 249 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: go only one in the world, and that's not of honor. 250 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: That is a curse. The FBI is now asking for 251 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: help in matching confessions to victims, including that Jane Doe 252 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: found in Laurel forty seven years ago. You're hearing our 253 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: friends there at wjay Z. The FBI desperate to identify 254 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: all of these women, remember their families. Still many of 255 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: them think Mommy just abayed and in them, when in reality, 256 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: this devil from Hell, stalked and murdered them to doctor 257 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall joining us out of la Doctor Bethany, did 258 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: you hear what the FBI agent said. He said that 259 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: Samuel Little gets excited in the retelling of the murders, 260 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: so sick Nancy, in order to get off sexually, he 261 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: would prey on vulnerable women. He would have sex with them. 262 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: He would manually strangulate them all to the purpose of 263 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: sexual arousals. That is the m right there and again. 264 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: Because he's sitting in jail with nothing else to do, 265 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: but you know, draw these pictures, which is probably like 266 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: his jailhouse porn. He is excited and the retelling of 267 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: the story. Because that impulse, he has crime stories. With 268 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, we are talking about Samuel Little, the most 269 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: prolific u as serial killer in history. Take a listen 270 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: as Samuel Little confesses to murdering as he says a 271 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: quote girl in northern Kentucky after a music festival. We 272 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: got to Covington and then we continued through cold and 273 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: there was a part that they were having a festival 274 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: in and she heard the music and set off the 275 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: band here and by her being a heavy tape and 276 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: she will He wanted to get to that, but the 277 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: police came on. When peaked in in a car, you 278 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: really wanted to be so we instead of going in there, 279 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: I took her early winding round Big Got Hill in Kentucky, 280 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: and the rule winds around the hills. I've seen a 281 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: little short rule going oh the hill, and in the 282 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: up top then was vegetation, but no others. And so 283 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: I pulled up in there and concealed with the car 284 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: and in the little vegetation up them on't top for hill. 285 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: So tell me about this this road that goes up 286 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: the hill. What kind of road is it? Was? It 287 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: was like a dirt rule, Okay, it was like dirt. 288 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: The grass was drawing in the middle between two tracks 289 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: when I was left for up in there in that 290 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: little road up there on the side of the road, 291 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: and she would left partially concealed by the vegetation left 292 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: for there. You are hearing the description of a murder 293 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: of a quote girl in northern Kentucky, and that was 294 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: listening to music at a music festival in a park. 295 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: I don't get it to Bobby to con from a 296 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: special agent with the FBI host a Facebook watch series 297 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: Curse of Acacore. Bobby, why such detail? Is he proud? Well, 298 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: you know what, he doesn't. He lacks the empathy that 299 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: we would normally say, oh my god, how can he 300 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: do that? Right? Because to recall and yes, in a 301 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: way he is proud, But in a way, this is 302 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: just another regular memory for him that you and I 303 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: would recall a birthday party or an anniversary in the past, 304 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: So it's not you know, he does have a remarkable 305 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: memory and he does get some satisfaction, although at his 306 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: ages less than it was when he was younger, in 307 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 1: recalling some of these crimes. But in this case, the 308 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: Texas ranger he's talking to Holland developed such an incredible 309 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: rapport with him that he's actually wanting to help the 310 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: detective bring closure to some of the families, and that's 311 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: what he's been doing. He's been completely cooperating with the 312 00:21:54,520 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: interviews since the ranger Holland established that relationship. And you 313 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: hear him again talk about you know, this is a 314 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: situation he just explained where the police came up to 315 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: his car and shoot him away. He was parked somewhere 316 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: with his next victim that he wasn't supposed to be, 317 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: and so they shoot him away and he just drove 318 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: on now instead of letting her out of the car 319 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,719 Speaker 1: in a panic because the police just were there, he 320 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: actually drove and he immediately started looking for hills and vegetation, 321 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: as he said, conceal his car. This is a this 322 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: is a predatory machine. He's going through the analysis right 323 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: after leaving the police with the victim in his car, 324 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: of looking for a place where he can carry out 325 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: his crime. So so it's really a fascinating look into 326 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: the mind of a predator where he's just the police 327 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: didn't even phase him. The police coming up into his 328 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: car with the victim's car didn't even phase him, and 329 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: he immediately started to analyze his surroundings on where he 330 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: could carry out his attack. Bobby, you can with me, 331 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: former FBI to daughter Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the 332 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: State of Florida. Doctor Gallagher, I was earlier asking Karen 333 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: Smith with Beer Bones consulting about how the FBI has 334 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: been able to confirm at least fifty of these alleged 335 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: ninety three murders. Doctor Gallagher, what type of bodily evidence 336 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: would there be this much later, I mean years, so past. 337 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: Can you go back to a body, even if after 338 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 1: it's been buried, or can you observe tissue at the time. 339 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: How can they connect him to many of these women? Well, 340 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: there are several ways we can do it. Number one 341 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: would be dental records. If they had any dental records 342 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: that are still available, we could use those for identification, 343 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: you know. And the other thing is familial DNA. You know, 344 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: if there are any members of the family that are left, 345 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: DNA can still be extracted from the bones of the 346 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: victim or from the teeth of the victim, and that 347 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: DNA could be analyzed familial, familial and or of the victim, 348 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: which would give us a good presumptive identification. I know 349 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: it can id the victim, and I'm trying to figure 350 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: out how to connect him to a murder. I guess 351 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: one way, Karen Smith Beer Bones Consulting would be, as 352 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher is saying, to put his Samuel Little's DNA 353 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: into the DNA databank codis and see how many women 354 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: he connects two over the years, Because obviously he raped, sodomize, 355 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: or perform some other sex act on probably all of 356 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: the women during the striangulation before during or after. But 357 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: what other evidence could we look for beside DNA here? 358 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: And Smith right, there is part of CODIS, which is 359 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: the combined DNA and X system, one of those parts 360 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: of the forensic database that connects two or more crimes 361 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: that are that are connected, and then they can go 362 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: into the offender database and make a match that way, 363 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: which is what they've been doing. But here's the thing. 364 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: If it's been thirty forty years, Nancy, if you find 365 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: any skeletal remains, you know you're you're going to be 366 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: dealing with with dental records, You're going to be dealing 367 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: with with DNA from bones and things like that. But 368 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: but the one thing that you may be able to find, 369 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: if they're very lucky, are pieces of cloth and clothing 370 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: that have not been dragged off, that have not decomposed 371 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: of the point of being unable to identify that piece 372 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: of clothing, even if it's a scrap. He describes one 373 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: victim as sparing a cream and red colored skirt, and 374 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: if there's a small shard of that left that may 375 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: be able to also help identify the victim. So you're 376 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: dealing with jewelry that doesn't go away. Things like that earrings, 377 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: necklace's rings that may be able to be found at 378 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: the location. If they're able to locate these bodies. How 379 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: did Texas Ranger James Holland get this serial killer to confess? 380 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: The ranger says, Little was a cunning killer, sized up 381 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: his victims and his surroundings. The first thing I picked 382 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: up on is how wicked smart he was? The sky smart? 383 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: Oh like genius? Why do you say that? Oh? Well, 384 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: number one? You know the photographic memory, his memory for details, 385 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: and you're like, Sam, tell me what's around her. There's 386 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: three tombstones over there, there's a Collechey road drive down 387 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: a quarter mile. There's a white Baptist church that needs 388 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: to be whitewashed. Phenomenal. So how do you reach a 389 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: serial killer? How do you get them to talk? Do 390 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: you avoid the things that normally work for investigators? What 391 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: do you mean by that? You avoid things like, um, 392 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: you know, remorse and closure for the family because they 393 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: don't have remorse and they don't care about closure. Now 394 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't appeal to them at all. I mean you're 395 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: asking them to open up their soul to the things 396 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: that are more intimate to them than anything in life. 397 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: Why should they do that with you? And that's what 398 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: you're working for? Real friendly? She she will laughing. Well. 399 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: With Sammy, there's indications of visualization of when he's thinking 400 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: about a crime scene, he'll start stroking his face and 401 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: as he's starting to pick sure a victim, you'll you 402 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: see him look out and up Ben you can Tally 403 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: has this revolving carousela victims and it's just spinning and 404 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: he's waiting for it to stop. At the one that 405 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: he wants to talk about crime stories with Nancy Grace, 406 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: we are talking about Samuel Little, the most prolific u 407 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: as serial killer in history. Take a listen to what 408 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: Samuel Little says about Little Rock Arkansas. Oh man, I 409 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: forget her name, Ohie, I think ruth okay heavy said 410 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: yellow head book team had a gap twein teeth that 411 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: with what and she she was like hunting color scamer 412 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: and she had like her hair was not really long 413 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: less and I told hen think she wants she was 414 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: about five seven, how many things she wanted? She went 415 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: aboudy coasting to two hundred by one hundred and seventy. 416 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: Pretty pretty big girl. Yeah, now where did you beat 417 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: her at okay. He dining in the rough crackhouse I was. 418 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: They were heard by six other girls. Was setting on 419 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: the porch to do seven cracking there. I stopped to 420 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: go there. I've seen a girl. That's why I stopped. 421 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: We stayed together two days, oh, I think about three days. 422 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: We was going shop differing. We went to sears, we 423 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: went to a course and that's where I got busted. 424 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: They took me to jail and she went and stayed 425 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: in the car. In the magic of Crowgers, I guess 426 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: he got tired of her laying on his property in 427 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: that car. He called and pulled the station where I 428 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: was at in north North thunzone. The dropped the charts 429 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: so he can come down and get the girl and 430 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: card him the cover and lowise. So we was headed 431 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: towards with that place where wal Marts and the original 432 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: stove ben. I whooped off the room and back into 433 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: their little woods. He was a cornfield back there. I 434 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: pulled through it and on us side with cornfield was 435 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: a trash pile. My part of car facing out where 436 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: I can see anybody coming in. So I pulled her 437 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: out of that car. She too big for me to care, 438 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: so I just pulled a corn ladle lit tract, Dad, 439 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: So it was it like a cornstalk plot? Yeah, but cornstalks? 440 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: What could you see from here? I could see the 441 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: highway and in the woods is that way? But it's 442 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: what outside of Blueloo ten miles from from north little 443 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: rocketing ten miles? Yeah, it was about ten miles. Okay, 444 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: how brazen to Bethany Marshall, psychoan Alice joining me from LA. 445 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: He could see the highway from where he was. He 446 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: basically left her dead body near a highway, true, behind 447 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: some cornstalks, but by the highway. Did you hear when 448 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: he said quote I loved her, but he killed her, 449 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: and that she had buck teeth with a little gap, 450 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: and that she had honey colored skin. Nancy, you can 451 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: hear the whole offending pattern and how he tells the story. 452 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: He starts with her appearance, which is obviously what the 453 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: Texas Ranger asked him about. He wanted a description, but 454 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: you know you have that the honey colored skin, the 455 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: medium hair, the buckteeth, the little gap. So this is 456 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's trolling for victims and he's looking 457 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: at their appearance. He probably has a type that he likes. Next, 458 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: he commits some kind of other petty crime for what purpose, 459 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, at a Kroger's, at a grocery store. 460 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: Then he starts looking for a place to secrete the body. 461 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: And there are so many mentions of underbrush shura, it's 462 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: like a muddy swamp or the vegetation in the area 463 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: is very important to him. Going out onto a lonely 464 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: road and then facing back towards the highway. It would 465 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: be interesting to know, like why he chose to do that. 466 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: Was there something sort of almost exhibitionistic about that, as 467 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: if he's killing this woman while at the same time 468 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: looking down on society. You know, I think there's something there. 469 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that the Texas Ranger would be interested 470 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: in that aspect of it, but I think it's really 471 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: fascinating and I think it could contribute to our common 472 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: knowledge of serial killers, why they pick certain locations and 473 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: why they offend in the particular ways that they do. 474 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: To dot to Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the State 475 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: of Florida, when a body is left out in the elements, 476 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: does it decompose much more quickly than if it was 477 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: inside of a structure. Absolutely and the reason why that 478 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: is is because the big variation in temperature decomposition is 479 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: highly variable on the temperature and the external environment. In 480 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: the outside, the sun is beating down on the body. 481 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: There are predatory animals, There are scavenger insects that help 482 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: in the acceleration of decomposition. We often find many pounds 483 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,719 Speaker 1: of maggots and beetles worms inside of these bodies when 484 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: they decompose, and that accelerates the decomposition. You know, after 485 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: watching and listening to hours of this guy confessing to 486 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: one murder after the next, it's like he's describing going 487 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: on dates with these women. He knows. One is named Ruth, 488 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: and he says he loved her. He seems attached to 489 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: her buck teeth and a little gap between the front 490 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: two teeth. Bobby Chacone host a Facebook watch series Curse 491 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: of Aqacor. I noticed he gets more and more animated 492 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: and into it and excited as he describes how he 493 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: strangles his victims. At one point, he says, she was 494 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: fighting for her life and I'm fighting for my pleasure. Yeah, 495 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: And this is this is a hallmark of a sexual sadist, 496 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: which he probably was. And this is what doctor Marshall 497 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: described earlier, where he's deriving sexual pleasure out of her fear, 498 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: anxiety and pain. And so you know, I wouldn't be 499 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: surprised and we'll never know, um, but I wouldn't be 500 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: surprised if some of these manual strangulations didn't end in 501 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: death the first time. In other words, he brings them 502 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: to the edge of death and then they start, He 503 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: allows him to start breathing again, and then he repeats that, 504 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: he repeats the act. So um, the the the sexual 505 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: gratification of the sexual status will achieve is not from 506 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: the sex act itself, but it's actually the lead up. 507 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: And of course, now that he's able to talk about 508 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: it again, he's reliving that and he's he's he's deriving 509 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,479 Speaker 1: pleasure from it again. So that's that's what you're hearing 510 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: in his voice. You're hearing that that satisfaction and that 511 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: pleasure that he's getting recalling these these many horrific crimes, 512 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: you know, decades later. Take a listen to what this 513 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: prolific serial killer, Samuel Little says about Vegas. She was 514 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: dusky about forty years though. When she's got the course, 515 00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: I thank you drove a course, would she would like 516 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: five five five three, and she waited about hunting ten twenty? 517 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,959 Speaker 1: What about her? Did you know the bloycase? She devel 518 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: the son? She called him over it and he came 519 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: over a ship my hands, neverthing yet? How old was 520 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: he was? About twenty or about nineteen twenty? Okay? Blackmail 521 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: or black mill? And where were you out when you 522 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: met her? It was on the Ones venue? Okay Jackson? 523 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: Where did you eventually take her? Her body too? I 524 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: was over here to what California? So as that drove 525 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: out of Las Vegas, and then I've seen a motail 526 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: and road leading up to the rutail. You know, there's 527 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: a lot of bushing impressions us beside the road before 528 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,240 Speaker 1: you got to that motail. That's where I drove, pulled 529 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: her about out and rolled it down there, and I 530 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: heard a secondary role or always ruling to doctor Bethany Marshall, 531 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: Bobby Chacone, Karen Smith, doctor Tim Gallagher, and Levi Page. 532 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: The FBI is still begging the public to help identify 533 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: these victims and bring some peace to their long abandoned families. 534 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: Can you even imagine that kind of pain? Go to 535 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: crime online dot Com where you can see not only 536 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: see and hear Samuel Little's confessions and allies and judging 537 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 1: for yourself, but also links to help identify these women. 538 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: We now know at least ninety three women terrorized, sexually assaulted, 539 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: and murdered. We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace's crime story, 540 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,