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Speaker 1: the podcast that melted at the top of your mister

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Speaker 1: that is an actual public service that we're offering you truth.

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Speaker 1: You should have known better. Any real hard water guy

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Speaker 1: places becoming what trout stocked fishing is. Man, I got

424
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: this is so outside of my realm of experience and

425
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: understanding because I've just I've never ever done any of this,

426
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: and so yeah, on one hand, it's really fascinating to

427
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: me just this this whole culture about trying to time

428
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: where they're going to be and when they're going to

429
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: be there. I know, now, correct me if I'm wrong,

430
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: But it sort of sounds like what you're saying is

431
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: what Mike is calling for is what's already happening out east,

432
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: and that's not solving the problem either. Well, if that's

433
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: not the solution, what is it? I mean? See, I

434
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: think this is this is what's happening here on both

435
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: sides of the country, Right, I think you have a

436
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: good example of government or whoever thinking that by putting

437
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: this detailed information out there, they're making it easier for

438
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: more people to enjoy fishing and enjoy the outdoors. Right.

439
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: But that's that's questionable, you know. I agree people want

440
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: to know where their money is being spent. So to say, hey,

441
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: especially out here, we buy we buy trout stamps, all

442
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: that money goes to the hatchery programs. So to say, hey,

443
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 1: we're putting X amount of pounds of trout in these

444
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: rivers between April one and May thirtieth, and call it

445
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: done that we've told you how many trout are going

446
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: in there, you know when opening day is. But beyond that,

447
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: I think it would be a great idea to completely

448
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: randomize that and not make it so so cut and dry.

449
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's always been that way

450
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: out here, and it's I don't know, man, I don't

451
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,239
Speaker 1: know if it's fewer people fishing. I don't know if

452
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: it's more people jumping out there following those those stock days.

453
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 1: But you know, growing up, yeah, like you'd get your

454
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: jolly's catching six and ten minutes at the bridge an

455
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: opening day, like you wanted that chain stringer full of

456
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: year six right away. But the real satisfying ones was

457
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: like that lone fatty you'd catch in June, a couple

458
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: miles like way away from where they stocked. You know

459
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: that one hole over almost wild at that point. Oh,

460
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: it's almost what the meat was, dude, the big thing here.

461
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: You open up, it's got pink meat. The meat turned

462
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: pink like that was like the big thing. But I

463
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I I talked to a lot of dudes.

464
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: I feel like that's not as common an occurrence now.

465
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: It's like you better get your ass there. When they're dumped,

466
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna get whacked out of these holes, no time

467
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: to flush the system. And that's that's. I have no

468
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: issue with stock trout fishing. It's what I grew up doing.

469
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: And back in the day, they would they would get

470
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 1: throughout a good chunk of the system and then it

471
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: would actually feel like you were trout fishing for real.

472
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: They were still stocked, but you could sneak around a

473
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: bend or walk a little further and pick fish off

474
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: and it's it doesn't happen like that anymore. It sounds

475
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: like the way that you're describing it happening now, and

476
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: what Mike was writing about sounds really transactional to me,

477
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: Like it makes me think of those pay to play

478
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: hatchtery ponds where you could, you know, five bucks for

479
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: three trout right, you know, which never, even when I

480
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: was a kid and all I cared about was catching fish,

481
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: those had no appeal to me, Like I was just

482
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: not interested in doing that. And so the idea of

483
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: stocked trout streams, at least in my head, is not

484
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: to be that paid hatchery pond, but it's to simulate

485
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: the experience of its exact catching trout in a semi

486
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: wild environment that feels more like fishing. And what it

487
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: sounds like you guys are both describing is the loss

488
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: of that sense. And I think I agree that that's

489
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: a problem. I don't know enough to say like, well,

490
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: I think this is the solution, because I'd be an

491
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: asshole to say that, but I agree that there is

492
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: a problem. There no, no, no, and and and you

493
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: said that beautifully. That's what it was like. You accept

494
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: that these are you know, clipfin, you know, raceway fish,

495
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: but they're put there so that your river that's probably

496
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: going to be dry by June, feels like a real

497
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: trout stream for a few months. And you get out

498
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: there and you fish the riffles. And I don't fully

499
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: understand the Calie deal, but I don't think it's it's

500
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: full on pay Lake. It just sounds to me like,

501
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: you know, these are these are private and state stockings,

502
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: but it's not a paila because the pay Lake is

503
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: constantly adding more to I did. I was just I

504
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: was using the pay things as an example of what

505
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: it's not trying to be. I mean, same same deal

506
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: here in our lakes man, Like, you know, they stock

507
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of lakes here, but anymore you you go

508
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks after they do that, because guarantee

509
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: they were people knew exactly when they were dumping them,

510
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: and they like what I could never understand is that

511
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: how you could look at it as a good time

512
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: to like sit there with your power bait in the

513
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: water while they're dumping nets of trout over top of

514
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: the power bait in the water. Like that ruins the

515
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: whole thing. Yeah, But anyway, it's like it's like pulling

516
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: the curtain back on the magic. I totally get that.

517
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: We I think there's one we could probably cover like

518
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: half a show on. But I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm

519
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: gonna move us away because because otherwise we will and

520
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna follow it up with some other questionable

521
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: fishing practices within the industry. And it's a little bit

522
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: awkward because I feel like, pretty soon we're gonna get

523
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: a reputation on this show for bagging on fishing tournaments.

524
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: And you know, neither of us are tournament anglers, and

525
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: that's something we have discussed in the past. But I

526
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: feel like I gotta say I don't actively hate on

527
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: tournament fishing. It's not something I want to do, but

528
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: I don't hate on it. And I think tournaments increase

529
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: the visibility and the popularity of fishing, and that's something

530
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: that you and I both fully support. Yeah, and I'll

531
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: clarify for myself too, like I'm not a tournament guy,

532
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: not my scene, not when I'm into, not why I fish.

533
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: But I am also not like anti like there should

534
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: never be fishing tournaments at all. I'm really really not.

535
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: But this bite. Having said all that and needing to

536
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: caveat that, this next story is exactly the kind of

537
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: outcome that can paint tournaments in a bad light, all right.

538
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: So in July of twenty nineteen, a guy by the

539
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: name of Ben Wu hosted a two day bass tournament

540
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: on the Saint Lawrence River in Ontario, Canada. After the

541
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: opening day of the tournament, the Ontario Ministry of Natural

542
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: Resources started getting calls from local anglers reporting that lots

543
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: of fish were dying. After the tournament, Bruce Tufts, who's

544
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: the fisheries biologist that helped craft the province's guidelines on

545
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: fish handling during competition, he went down to the marina

546
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: because he'd heard these rumors and he was just wanting

547
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: to investigate. So he and some officers from the Ministry

548
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: of Natural Resources. They started poking around. They found a

549
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: few dead fish and the bushes nearby, and they found

550
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: a few more in the water, but then a marina

551
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: employee pointed them toward a dumpster. There they found one

552
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five dead smallmouth double bagged in black

553
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: plastic and buried under a bunch of other trash. In total,

554
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: investigators found nearly two hundred fish that the biologists. Tufts

555
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: described to the CBC as quote the biggest best broodstock

556
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: in our fishery. And if you look at the photos,

557
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd have to agree they're all really, really

558
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: nice small mouth. Now, Tufts claims that these fish died

559
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: as a result of high temperatures and low oxygen levels

560
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: in the holding tank the tournament used to keep fish

561
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: after they've been weighed. A staff sergeant for the ministry

562
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: told the CBC, we believe the organizer was negligent in

563
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: the way he handled the fish and that's what resulted

564
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: in the deaths of so many Okay, so all this

565
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: happened in the summer of twenty nineteen, and so why

566
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: am I talking about it now? Well, the guy who

567
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: put on that tournament, Ben Wu, was recently convicted of

568
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: failing to abide by the terms and conditions of his

569
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: license as an organizer. He received a fine of nine

570
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: thousand bucks that's Canadian dollars and a twenty years suspension

571
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: of his fish license in the province of Ontario. But

572
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: here's the kicker for me, Woo doesn't live in Ontario anymore.

573
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: In the wake of this incident, which you didn't look

574
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: real good for him, he moved to New Brunswick and

575
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: this punishment doesn't impact Wo's fishing privileges in any province

576
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: other than Ontario. Now I have to say, who denies

577
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: any wrongdoing in the handling of the fish, and I

578
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: feel like I need to point out that he has

579
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: hosted lots of tournaments and has never been linked to

580
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: any other fish kills. He blames the venue and claims

581
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: that poor water quality from the river was a contributing factor. Now,

582
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: maybe that's true, maybe it isn't, but either way, I

583
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: gotta say, man, this dude's conduct seems really, really sketchy

584
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 1: to me. Reports from the first day of the tournament

585
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: indicate that Woo and other organizers knew they had a

586
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 1: problem with fish mortality in that tank. Despite that, they

587
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: did not halt the event to save the fish, and

588
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: they didn't report the fish deaths to the Ministry of

589
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: Natural Resources, which they were required to do by law. Moreover,

590
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: even though WU denies doing so, it looks like they

591
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: tried to hide all those dead fish right like they

592
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: buried them pretty much in track bags in the dumpster

593
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: in order to avoid getting in trouble, and in contradictory

594
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: public statements, WU has said that he has quote no

595
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: negligence and that he quote takes full responsibility. So I

596
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: don't quite know what to do with that. He also

597
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: told the CBC that he was done hosting phishing tournaments,

598
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: but then continued to host fishing tournaments under a new

599
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: business name. So look, I'm just going to close by saying,

600
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: like reiterating that I think phishing tournaments play an important

601
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: role in modern fishing culture and the fishing industry, which

602
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: we're both part of. I'm not trying to hate on tournaments,

603
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: but incidents like this make some people understandably skeptical of

604
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: competitive angling, right. And I know, and you know, the

605
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: big circuits like BASS and FLW and Major League Fishing,

606
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: they weren't really hard to ensure that they minimize fish mortality.

607
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of all or tournaments like

608
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: that one out there that don't have the resources of

609
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: those three tours. And look, man, those are the ones

610
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: I worry about because they have impacts on the fisheries too. Yeah. Yeah,

611
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: and I mean, ultimately right, terrible story, but you certainly

612
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: can't look at this and and and say this is

613
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: all tournaments by a stretch. This is one bad dude

614
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: who did it wrong. I mean, you know, you can't.

615
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: You can't let this sort of tarnish your view of

616
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: all of all bass tournaments. Nope. Um, but you know

617
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: I have like a really bold statement I want to

618
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 1: make that's that's actually based off someone I interviewed who

619
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: I'd have to keep nameless. But it's I'm hesitant, but

620
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna. I'm gonna do it. And because it's sort

621
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: of it sort of ties in, you know, um years ago,

622
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: I was I was doing some interview work about a

623
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: car study in South Texas, right, and the tons of

624
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: bass tournaments down there, and uh, you know, bass is

625
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: big business, brings in a lot of money, and you

626
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: have a lot of bass fisherman that want to see

627
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: all the guard dead because they're down there killing, you know,

628
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: supposedly killing all their bass. And they did this study

629
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: on these gar and then the long story short, they

630
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: kind of found that the thing they were eating the

631
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: least of was largemouth bass. I mean, they cut them open,

632
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: did stomach contents. It was all rough fish. And I

633
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: can't say names because I promised that I wouldn't, But

634
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: but someone with authority within that whole deal said, you

635
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: know what I really want to tell all these bass dudes,

636
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: is that the worst thing for the bass in your

637
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: lake is another tournament every single weekend on these lakes,

638
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: Like it is more disruptive to the bass population than

639
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: anything else. And even that right, still not saying tournaments

640
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: are bad, but it's really easy to look at this

641
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: dude and be like, well, what an asshole. Look, he

642
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: screwed up. He knew the fish would being harmed. He

643
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: ended up throwing all these fish in the dumpster. That's

644
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario. But on that local level too,

645
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, I live by lakes out here, and I

646
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: don't even live in super bass Land. That also there's

647
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: a there's a tournament on them almost every weekend by

648
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: some club, you know, And I think we just don't

649
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: think about that, you know what I mean. It's it's

650
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: real easy to look at how they're held after, how

651
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: they're released, what happens after the fact. But if there's

652
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: something to think about it, it's also the pressure of

653
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: tournaments on these lakes that see a lot of them

654
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: in a lot of different parts of the country. Yeah, totally,

655
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: and look, we got to move on. But I will

656
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: all close by saying adding to that, under five percent

657
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: mortality is considered acceptable. So stress that out over every weekend,

658
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: with big tournaments all the time. There's an impact there. Yeah, yeah,

659
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. I mean, you know, again, not coming down

660
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: on tournaments. I do agree with you that they do

661
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: a lot of good for fishing. But yeah, that's that's

662
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: that's a lot of stress, depending on a lake, depending

663
00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: how often they see it. We'll jump from stress on

664
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: fish to uh man, it's a shit segue. Stress on

665
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: one of America's greatest outdoor writers. How about that? And

666
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: I'll lead it by saying or asking, rather, even though

667
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: I kind of already know the answer. Are you a

668
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: Hemingway fan as in earnest you entirely not merrial? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

669
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: you know this question, and I am. I will say

670
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: I think that he did so much for the form

671
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: of writing, like modern and writing, and particularly his short

672
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: fiction for me is fantastic. I'm also at a sort

673
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: of an advantage or disadvantage. I don't know the story

674
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: is gonna go, but when I used to teach at

675
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: the university, I taught some Hemingway. So I'm a little

676
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: bit in this this world. Yeah no, no, no, no,

677
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: And that's all. Well, I'm good and I learned some

678
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: Hemingway in school. I did the Hemingway thing and and

679
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: right out of the gate right incredible respect for Ernest Hemingway,

680
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: and I agree he is an incredible writer icon one

681
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: of the best there ever was. I have always sort

682
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: of taken a little issue with people that sort of

683
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: they fancy themselves well versed in outdoor literature, but immediately

684
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: jumped to Hemingway is their main guy, Like, that's the

685
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: main guy. And I've met many of these people and

686
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: like to put it in a different way, I'll use

687
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: this analogy. It's like hearing someone say, like, I'm really

688
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: into punk music and I'm like, oh, cool, me too.

689
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: Who's your favorite band? And they're like, oh, green Day.

690
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: I knew you were going to say that, and that

691
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: pisses me off, but go ahead. I love green Day.

692
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: Green Day is terrific. But like, if that's where you

693
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: jump to pronounce your love of punk, especially then if

694
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: you have no idea who operation Ivy you're the misfits

695
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: or the descendants are, I'm like, I can't have a

696
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: conversation about this with you, and I just sometimes feel

697
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: and this is just my opinion, and you're gonna fight me.

698
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: Hemingway is just too token and easily latched upon, right,

699
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: And I just need to establish that because this little

700
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: story from the Wall Street Journal is for these sort

701
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: of token Hemingway people. Headline fly fishing the Ernest Hemingway Way.

702
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: And it begins interestingly when Ernest Hemingway is well worn

703
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: steamer trunk containing his fly fishing gear disappeared from a

704
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: train bound for sun Valley, Idaho, in nineteen forty. The

705
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: loss was so crushing the author never again waded into

706
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: the shallows. Instead, he concentrated his angling efforts far offshore,

707
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: catching record breaking pelagics like sailfish and marlin. And that

708
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: was a little fun fact I did not know about

709
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: Hemingway anyway. His great grandson Patrick said, the loss of

710
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: this trunk shook the entire family. But apparently the idea

711
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: of this long lost steamer trunk loaded with Hemingway's fishing

712
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: gear is now the inspiration for a new Hemmingway inshore

713
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: collection of wares from several high end brands, one of

714
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: which is Everall. And that's who created the reels within

715
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: this line. Okay, now, Everall, because you're giving me the

716
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: look of what's that right, have you ever heard of Everall?

717
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: I haven't. I'm feeling negligent. No no, no, no, no

718
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: no no. So Everall is not a well known name,

719
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: right However, seeing that I'm a vintage tackle nerd. While

720
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: they were never super prevalent in the US market, in

721
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: the rest of the world, Europe and everything, they're the

722
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: van Stallman, the accurate, the old school, finour like serious

723
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: machinery for whoop and big fish, And apparently, per this story,

724
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: Hemingway was a big Everall fan. He had a lot

725
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: of Everall reels made. In fact, a vintage Italian Everall

726
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: big game reel is high on my list of personal

727
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: vintage tackle desires. I'm just extremely poor, so I don't

728
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: know if that'll ever happen anyway. This is from the

729
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: story debuting in December. The handcrafted nineweight fly reels come

730
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: into mahogany box and are packed in freshly planed wood shavings,

731
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: smelling the way you'd expect anything Hemingway to smell, earthy,

732
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: warm woodsie, which makes me wonder, do you Hemingway dude,

733
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: sit around and talk about what you think Papa smelled like?

734
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: Is that what you get all the time? Okay, all right,

735
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: it continues. The author's only surviving fly rods and the

736
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: inshore collection fly rods share similar Craspanship designer Anthony Torreau

737
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: spent sixty hours forming each two piece eight footstick from

738
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: tonkin bamboo and wrapping its nickel silver Farrells in black

739
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: kimono Jackmanese silk thread, and attaching a real seat built

740
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: of titanium and a base in fighting but made of

741
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: West Indian mahogany and Spanish seater. Now I looked up

742
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: this entire collection, which also includes some conventional all shore

743
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: reels and even a custom Willie Roberts flat skiff, a

744
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: Hemmingway flat skiff. Here's a price list, as you would imagine.

745
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: The fly rod and reel come as a set for

746
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: forty five hundred dollars. Okay, and guess what, they're already

747
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: sold out per the website, They're already sold out, the

748
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: flat skiff ninety five thousand dollars. And then you've got

749
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: the offshore wheels starting at a measly seven fifty because

750
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: I guess they need something for the lowly, unrefined, low

751
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: budget bally hoop puller. And listen, I understand that all

752
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: this shit has been developed for people with stupid money,

753
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: and that's fine, that's totally fine. But I also am

754
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: willing to bet there are like those Hemmingway people I'm

755
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: talking about out there that, while they may not be

756
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: able to afford any of this either, would just love

757
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: to have it, Like they'd be all about out being

758
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: decked out in Hemingway gear. And I look at that

759
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: Everall fly reel, and dude, it is gorgeous, Like I'm

760
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: sure it's one of the best made fly reels. Ever, However,

761
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: like as much as I want an Everall in my collection,

762
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to show up like in the

763
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: Louisiana Delta to chase Redfish with my Hemmingway logo reel.

764
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. I'd have

765
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: to put a green Day sticker over the Hemingway graphic.

766
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: So there you go, just a little little thing from

767
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: the from the journal, and I'll let you. You're gonna

768
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: come at me hard here, but if you still Christmas

769
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: Present ideas everybody, You're not going to commit you at

770
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: all here. In fact, I'm not gonna say much because

771
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't think there's the time place for a Hemingway debate.

772
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: But I will say that I think Hemingway would absolutely

773
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: hate everything about that. I think he is that's filling

774
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: over in his grave. Nothing about him was like embracing

775
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: any of that pomp and circumstance elitist bullshit. Yeah. That

776
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: he does not want the replica of his boat at

777
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: the bass pro shops and in the Key. He didn't

778
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: love that. No, So I think the fact that his

779
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: name is being profited off of that way to do

780
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: people with more money than sense, I think would piss

781
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: him off. That's what I'll that's fair. Fair can debate

782
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: Hemingway later. I have not read much of it, so

783
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: you'll win. Yeah, I have. I have no connection between

784
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: that story and this one, so I'm not even gonna try.

785
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna swamp Doctor Karen Osborne, a zoologist from

786
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: the Smithsonian Institute, primarily studies invertebrates, very deep sea invertebrates,

787
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: to be specific. As part of a research, she takes

788
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: pictures of critters and the deepest parts of the ocean,

789
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: and even though she's usually focused on on really really

790
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: tiny organisms, she'll take pictures of just about whatever she

791
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: can find down there. Because you know, you don't see much, right.

792
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: So Osborne kept photographing this one particular fish, the fang tooth,

793
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: which looked exactly like you imagine. But every image she

794
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: took she could only see the silhouette and not the

795
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: fish itself. Okay, I kept trying to take pictures of it,

796
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: Osborne told Wired magazine, And I was just getting these silhouettes.

797
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: They were terrible. This happened enough times that she figured

798
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: something weird was going on and decided to investigate further,

799
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: because that's what scientists do. So she captured some of

800
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: these fish and she analyzed them. Turned out the problem

801
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: wasn't her photography skills. These fish make really terrible models

802
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: because their skin actually absorbs and traps ninety nine point

803
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: five percent of the light that hits it. They're weird,

804
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: living swimming black holes without all the vacuous gravity and supermasks. Weird. Yeah, cool.

805
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: So doctor Osborne discovered these fish have very distinct arrangements

806
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: of melanin in their skin. Melanin being the compound that

807
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: gives skin pigment. Melanine is stored and transported by organelles

808
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: called milanisomes. The milanizomes in these fish are arranged in

809
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: such a way that light bounces around between them instead

810
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: of reflecting back out. They've created effectively a structural light trap,

811
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: doctor Osborne told the website Inverse. But they've done it

812
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: using just the shape of the pigment that's in there,

813
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: which is so cool and so efficient. We're harnessing this

814
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: for military something, dude. This is knots yeah, and it's

815
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: a It's an incredibly useful adaptation for the fish because

816
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: it renders them virtually invisible to both predators and prey.

817
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: Since they live more than six hundred feet below the surface,

818
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: where there's almost no structure for them to use as cover,

819
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: they basically like carry their cover around with them all

820
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: the time. But now, hold up, some of you who

821
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: are thinking ahead might be wondering, like, you know what,

822
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: why does this matter if these fish live so far

823
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: down that the sunlight doesn't reach them, right, Like, how

824
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: would that help them out? All right? Well, check this out.

825
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: So many deep water species create their own light sources

826
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: called bioluminescence, and both predators and prey use that. And

827
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: for an example, like imagine that classic angler fish that

828
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: we all found learned about when we were kids. Right.

829
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: It's that my kids got stuffed one in the other room,

830
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: exactly right. It's got that glowing lure that hangs off

831
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: of its head right. And anglerfish, by the way, also

832
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: have this special light absorbing skin, and that's what makes

833
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: their ruse work. If the light from their little glowing

834
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: lures actually lit up their freaky looking faces, no prey

835
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: fish would even come close to them and it wouldn't

836
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: work out. So you know, when you think of fish

837
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: and shallow water environments where there's a lot of sunlight,

838
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: a lot of those fish have adapted mirrored scales or

839
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: translucent bodies and that's what they used to hide. But

840
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: mirrored scales and translucents are easily visible under a bioluminescent

841
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: light sorce, so they don't work in the deep. This

842
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: unique pigmentation that doctor Osbourne observed absorbs the light the

843
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: deep water fish create and therefore makes a perfect camouflage.

844
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: Once doctor Osbourne and her colleagues started digging into this,

845
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: they found sixteen different species of fish with the trade,

846
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: many of which are not even related to each other.

847
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: So like a bunch of unrelated fish, evolve the same

848
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: trade independently because it works even cooler, at least at

849
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: least to me. Some of these fish have this ultra

850
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: black coating lining their guts, and the theory for that

851
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: goes that it would block the bioluminescent light from the

852
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: fish they've just eaten. WHOA, right, dude, that's yeah man,

853
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, and it seems like such the cliche thing

854
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: to say, but you know how people are, like we

855
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: know more about space than we do about our ocean. Yeah,

856
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: we do, Like, dude, the year twenty twenty and we

857
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: just figured this out. I mean, that's rad. That's really cool.

858
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: And to your point, yes, the team doctor Osbourne team

859
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: think this might help, like might have biodesign applications, and

860
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: it might create better telescopes or cameras. There might be

861
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: some application for blocking light pollution, and yes, it might

862
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: lead to something the whole nuclear submarine. Just yes, that's

863
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: how we do. We just we just take nature and

864
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: then and then turn it into a weapon. Man, Like

865
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: I don't really have like much like it's like I don't.

866
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: I just I'm that was one of the most fascinating

867
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: of your science stories yet. That was really like, that's

868
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: really interesting. I could not I knew the moment I

869
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: saw that one, I was like, oh, I'm writing this

870
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: one up. There's no question this one. This one's gone

871
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: in the podcast, man. And then I mean, it's always

872
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: fascinates me too, just that anybody can put that level

873
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: of study into anything that lives that deep, because you

874
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: can't bring them up a lot like they couldn't bring

875
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: them up alive, right, No, No, they had to they

876
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: had to kill them and to analyze them. But the

877
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: other piece of the story, and I don't want to

878
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: go too far off on this, but this is like

879
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: such a classic example of why scientists are interesting to

880
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: me and how their brains work. This is not what

881
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: this person studies. She studies invertebrates, she studies time things.

882
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: But she has the kind of mind where she noticed, like, wow,

883
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: I wonder why I can only get silhouettes of this fish.

884
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: M I better study that, Like I just I love that,

885
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: Just the the ability to or the choice to be

886
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: so aware of what you're looking at and know that

887
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: it then leads to an avenue for discovery. I just

888
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: think that's so valuable and I respect people to have

889
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: that so much. Super cool, super cool story, Phil, What

890
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Man? You got by, you got

891
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: a new fish species, you got expensive hemmingway here yet

892
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: truck trout trout dead bass dead bass man. It's gonna

893
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: be a tough decision. But as soon as we hear

894
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: from Phil to see who who won this week's news showdown,

895
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna go over to a fan favorite, Awkward Moments

896
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: in Angling and make a dude regret that he sent

897
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: us his photo Miles. As much as I appreciated the

898
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: update on all of the crazy shit happening in the

899
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: deepest trenches of the ocean, the winner this week is Joe.

900
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 1: Sir Mellie, Joe, I really related to your stocking dilemma

901
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: story as I'm currently editing this podcast from the utility

902
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: closet of a target, waiting for them to stock their

903
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: store with PlayStation fives. When did you back a picture

904
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: a live black so who is our victim this week

905
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: in Awkward Moments in Angling? I also have to say

906
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: that we have a tendency to flim flam the name

907
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: between awkward Moments and angling. Sometimes we say awkward moments

908
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: and fishing. You people know what we're talking about. It's

909
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: the same, It's the same segment anyway. Yeah, yeah, you

910
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: get it. I think they're smart enough to follow that

911
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: I give I give our listeners that much credit. Yeah,

912
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: but we're that's very unprofessional for us to keep changing

913
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: the name. But it's it's that's our problem anyway. On

914
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: the chopping block this week is mister Dave, so Becky

915
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: or so back. One of those is right. I hope

916
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: I'm saying your name right, dude. Now, Dave wrote us

917
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: a very nice note about the podcast and his experiences

918
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: at a Pantera show, the Pantera you guys love it,

919
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: and just kind of slipped this shot in as like

920
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: a little addendum. And after some discussion of the Crow's

921
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: soundtrack and how his buds would also go out of

922
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: their way to play music on jukeboxes that would just

923
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: piss off the entire bar, he kind of did the

924
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: old like, oh, by the way, here's a photo. Yeah. Yeah, Like,

925
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,959
Speaker 1: by the way, I also happened to have this little

926
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: jim hidden the way that you might enjoy and like

927
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: when you kept reading the email, didn't say much about

928
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: the photo. Yeah, just like it was just like a

929
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: little bit of a breadcrumb, just kind of teeth it

930
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: up and it was perfect because there's there's so much

931
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: that we could say about this photo, Like we could.

932
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: We could, honestly do. We could take up the rest

933
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: of the show. Just won't, but we could. Yeah, we're

934
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: not going to, but yes we could. So that's right,

935
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: and and and and here's what Dave wrote. Okay, below

936
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: you'll find a very awkward photo of me circa nineteen

937
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: eighty nine in the north Woods of Wisconsin, proving I

938
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: was og metal and a virgin. But thought I was cool.

939
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: I was all right, I'm beloking it was right out.

940
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: And I will say I think it also proves that

941
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: he was very, very high. I'm not judging, and I

942
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: don't mean to like like read this based on appearances

943
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: or whatever, but like it kind of looks like Dave

944
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: could barely hold his bloodshot eyes open as that shutter clicked,

945
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: Like there's just these little slits of eyes. I could

946
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: be wrong, Like maybe there was a bright flash, maybe

947
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: he was looking into the sun. I don't know, but

948
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: he looks pretty baked. Yeah, just I'll just call it.

949
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: What yes, Yeah, So so Dave in nineteen eighty nine, right,

950
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: he had long blonde hair with like flippy, flappy, feathery

951
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: wings and who comes to mind right away. I don't

952
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: know why, but it's Duff mccagan from Guns and Roses.

953
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guns and roses. Yeah, yeah, and

954
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: but but the facial expression is more like an axual

955
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: rose kind of. I don't give a shit, right for sure,

956
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: And this is this is probably offensive to Dave, considering

957
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: we both know he's a Pantera fan. So he's a

958
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: Pantera fan. He's all about filling salmon, and we're calling

959
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: him at it was eighty nine. It was eighty nine,

960
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: he was He might not have got there yet. I know,

961
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm calling it like I see it anyway. He's wearing

962
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: a classic eighties foam trucker hat and the photo is

963
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: very washed out, like over flashed, so I can't make

964
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: out what's on the hat, but I'm sure if I could,

965
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: it would be another point of ridicule. But I can't

966
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: see it. Dave, you can fill us in later. But

967
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: it's okay because the rest of the ensemble leaves plenty

968
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: to talk about. Man, it does, and we will cover that,

969
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: but like first we should mention it is a fishing picture. Theoretically,

970
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: this is about fishing, and so Dave's holding two pike vertically,

971
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: one in each hand, and there's no consistency to the hold,

972
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: which also again supports my theory that he was baked.

973
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: He's got like he's got one under the gill plate

974
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: and then he's got the other just like with the

975
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: clamp down behind the head. Yeah, and neither of these

976
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: are particularly big fish, right, but that's okay. Like, yeah,

977
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: I have plenty of those photos too for my my childhood,

978
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: but they are mostly obscuring what appears to be a

979
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: Bart Simpson T shirt, which perfect for that that era.

980
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: It just nails it. I cannot tell exactly which version

981
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: of the very popular Bart Simpsons could. It's either cowabunga

982
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: dude or don't have a cowman like those are your

983
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: only options for those of you who are there. Uh.

984
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: As an added bonus, Dave's got his his folded sunglasses

985
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: hanging down from the collar of the shirt and again

986
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: not the greatest photo. I can't tell if they're aviators

987
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: or blue blockers, you know, like those big sunglasses that

988
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: the old people are, like my dad would fit around

989
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: their reading glasses when they went fishing because they would

990
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: polarize them. I was kind of thinking like he was

991
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: going for terminator glasses. Oh, the blades, because remember when

992
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: that was cool, like the terminator glass that you know, dude,

993
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: this is the Oakley blades, of course I remember, but

994
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: this would have been years after TEA one and not

995
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: yet T two, So I don't know. That's very unsubstantiated.

996
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: That's they look like. But um, it's it's really the

997
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: waist down. It kind of takes the cake here. It's

998
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: David's Southern hemisphere. So yeah, southern hemisphere of Dave. And

999
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: I recognized this style of shorts because I lived in

1000
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: this era. But I'm struggling, like, I don't even know

1001
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: what you'd call them, Like what you don't know? Oh

1002
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: I do? Those of my friend are jams, Absolutely, those

1003
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: are jams. Like you guys out in Jersey had your

1004
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: zoo baz or whatever, but those of us living in

1005
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: the serf culture, we had jams, and they're similar. They're

1006
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: similar in that they had the obnoxious busy patterns and

1007
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: the neon colors and all that other stuff. But they

1008
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: were short shorts. Yes, they weren't parachute pants. They were

1009
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: short shorts. And so now you know, also I did

1010
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: look this up similar to zoo baz jams are still

1011
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: around and still available in case you're, you know, in

1012
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: case you're looking to diversify your summertime. I'm wardrobe Joe, Dave,

1013
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: you should have held on it. Then they're probably worth

1014
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: some vintage, some coin and the vintage clothing thing. So no,

1015
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: I had shorts that looked like that, I just don't

1016
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: remember calling them jams. Um anyway, So we have the

1017
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 1: geometric shorts going on. But Dave's also wearing bicycle shorts

1018
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: and I know this because they're extending past the jams.

1019
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: And like, you're a couple of years older than me,

1020
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: I think Dave is too, like an eighty nine My

1021
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: mom was still dressing me. But like, was that a

1022
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: look like it's like a very faith no more from hell. No,

1023
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: you did not just do that. You did not. You

1024
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: did not just disparage Mike Patton in my presence. That

1025
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: guy's a musical genius. I didn't say it wasn't a

1026
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: musical genius. But when I look at it, if someone

1027
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: if someone's gonna do that, that would have been an

1028
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 1: Anthony Keytis move. Okay, I see that, I see Okay,

1029
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 1: that's fair. That's what I would say. Red hot chili pepper,

1030
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: but I can't. I don't think that was a thing.

1031
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 1: At least I didn't know that was a thing. I

1032
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: never did that. But the point you're making, despite my

1033
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: taking issue with digging on on Mike Patton, your point

1034
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: is valid. The bike shorts, they really are perplexing, yes, uh,

1035
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: and they like they make the whole ensemble kind of

1036
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: difficult to pin down. Like, yeah, it was kind of

1037
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: making sense. And then and then you got like the

1038
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: bike shorts, right, and if you work, if you try

1039
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: and take the thing as a whole, and you work

1040
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: from the top down, Dave goes from that kind of

1041
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: badass you know, he's got the tough hair and the

1042
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: axel rose snarl to the Bart Simpsons kind of childish shirt.

1043
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: And then and then we get into the bottom half, Yeah,

1044
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: with the spandex sticking almost to his knees, and I

1045
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: feel like he's he's a long way from finding his

1046
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: confidence at that point. Like it just a general goes down. Yeah,

1047
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: But anyway, we do love this shot, yes, and can

1048
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: resonate with this shot. And we cannot thank you enough

1049
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: Dave for sending it. Uh. We promise we're gonna get

1050
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: a little token of our appreciation headed your way just

1051
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Speaker 1: as soon as you get us your physical address, and

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00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: we promise not to show up your house unannounced. Don't forget.

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00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: You can now see Dave shot on me and Miles

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Speaker 1: Instagram pages. That's atwater Miles and at Joe dot Samelli

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Speaker 1: one thirty eight and if you want the chance to

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Speaker 1: be roasted here, send your embarrassing fishing photos to Bent

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Speaker 1: at the meat eater dot com. Oh man, this is

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00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: definitely one of the best segment ideas we've had, Joe totally.

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00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: We've all made such such bad choices in our younger

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Speaker 1: fishing exploits, and yet we were so proud of ourselves

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00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: we just had to like capture it on film, I know.

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00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: And you look at a lot of these photos and

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00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: like you remember when they were taken. At the time,

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00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: it's like you were so proud of that shot and

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00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: thought it was so cool, and then you thought it

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00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: was awkward, and now like you have to classify these

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Speaker 1: as historical gems, like they're all just historical gems. Timecame.

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Speaker 1: Oh they really are. I couldn't have said it any better.

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Speaker 1: They are gems. And speaking of gems from the past,

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Speaker 1: before we bid you all a fine farewell. Joe is

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00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: going to dig into a classic fly whose name has

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Speaker 1: been corrupted. Shall we say you really nailed it for

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00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: this week's end of the line segment. It's got it

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00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: all booze, drugs, crime, sex, and even some fishing too. Well,

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00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: that's not loud enough, Burt. The Mickey Finn streamer is

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00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: very simple. It's tied on a long shank hook and

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00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: that shank is covered in silver tinsel, sometimes roub for

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00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: her pleasure, sometimes not. Three small pinches of bucktail are

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00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: tied in at the head, one yellow, one red, then

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00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: another yellow to create a little hot dog in a

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00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: bun effect. And that's it. No feathers, no flash, no pickles,

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Speaker 1: no relish. Bucktail tinsel and a tapered head of black thread.

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00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: It's what she would call a classic Atlantic salmon style tie,

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00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: and it's been around as long as other notables in

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00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: the categories, such as the maygog Smell, Black Ghost and

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00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: Blue Charm. Oddly, my end of the line nod to

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Speaker 1: the Mickey has little to do with it being a

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00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: personal fish killer, but I can't get to that part

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00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: until we talk about the flies. Rather bizarre and most

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00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: likely at least partially bullshit laced past. According to my research,

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00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: it was developed in the nineteenth century by Charles Langevin,

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Speaker 1: a noted tire based in Quebec, and originally it was

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00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: called the Red and Yellow for obvious reasons. Now here's

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00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: where shit gets weird, so pay attention. Apparently in the

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00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: same general time frame, there was a saloon keeper in

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00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: Chicago named Mickey Finn who concocted a tranquilizer of sorts

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Speaker 1: that some news sources referred to as knockout drops that

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Speaker 1: he would slip into the cocktails of unsuspecting patrons and

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Speaker 1: then rob them once they were passed out. This is,

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00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: of course where we get the term slip of a mickey,

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00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: which is kind of a classier, old school cool way

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Speaker 1: of saying somebody got roofied over at the fantasy show bar.

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00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: For a time, the Red and Yellow was supposedly renamed

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Speaker 1: the Langevin after its creator, but that never really caught on.

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Speaker 1: So fast forward to the nineteen thirties and now the

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Speaker 1: Fly is also sometimes referred to as the Assassin. That's

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Speaker 1: thanks to outdoor writer John Alden Knight, who coined the

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Speaker 1: term in his writings. Now his writings caught the attention

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Speaker 1: of another writer, Greg Clark of the Toronto Star, who

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01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: went on a fishing trip with Knight to see what

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01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: this assassin fly was all about, and they caught a

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Speaker 1: ton of fish. So when Clark wrote up his account,

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01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 1: he proclaimed the fly was as dangerous as a Mickey Finn.

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01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: The name has stuck and remains today. There are also

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Speaker 1: some rumors that the fly's name is somehow tied to

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01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: legendary silent film actor Rudolph Valentino, who was believed to

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Speaker 1: have been killed by a Mickey Finn cocktail that he

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Speaker 1: received after pissing awful waiter. But that's unsubstantiated compared to

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Speaker 1: the rest of this which is sort of substantiated. At least.

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Speaker 1: The Mickey Finn takes me back to my early teen

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Speaker 1: years when my friend Mark, who was the best man

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Speaker 1: at my wedding, and I were just figuring out this

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Speaker 1: whole fly fishing thing. This was years before the junkyard dog, drunken, disorderly,

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Speaker 1: double deceiver, ice picked, cheechily, sex, dungeon, prowl, necklace, sculp Zilla,

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Speaker 1: and ten thousand other flies I loved fish. Nowadays, they

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Speaker 1: didn't exist. Then we had Mickey finns, muddler, minnows, wooly buggers,

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: and maybe a black ghost tied with poor quality feathers.

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Speaker 1: Those made up the streamer corner of our one tiny flybox. Now,

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01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: the buggers we figured out worked real quick. The muddler

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01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: was my go to streamer for years, but for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: we really didn't catch a whole lot on those Mickey finns.

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01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: Maybe that's because we didn't give him a fair shake

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01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: or didn't really know how to present them, but regardless,

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01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: it became somewhat of an inside joke. During tough days

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01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: when our buggers and muddlers and pheasant tails weren't really

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01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: getting it done, one of us would inevitably suggest on

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01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: the way home that we probably should have been throwing

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01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: Mickey finns all day. Ironically, it was not an Aha

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01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: moment on a trout stream that turned me back onto

1140
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,479
Speaker 1: the Mickey finn years later. It was an AHA moment

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01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: on the Stripers surf, right around the time I was

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01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: getting infatuated with stripping big meat for big browns. It's

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01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: common in surf casting to rig a light deceiver fly

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01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: on a dropper loop ahead of your plug or metal.

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01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: The light fly doesn't hinder casting or the action of

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01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: the main lure, and it creates the illusion of one

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01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: bigger baitfish chasing a tinier baitfish. So not all the time,

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01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: but from time to time in extra dirty water or

1149
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: in shroud a being finicky, and I think offering a

1150
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: buffet of size options might be beneficial. I might tie

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01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: a little dropper loop ahead of my double d and

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01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: slip them a little extra mickey. That is all we

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Speaker 1: have for you this week. But for the budding YouTubers

1154
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: out there looking to harvest ideas for your channels, we

1155
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: explained how not to toast sandwiches on a mister buddy heater,

1156
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: the true origins of donkey sauce, how to turn a

1157
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: mediocre bottom feeder into a multibillion dollar industry, and the

1158
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: lie you should absolutely never, under any circumstances discuss at

1159
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: a bar. Yeah, don't do that. Not good. Not good.

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Speaker 1: We hope all of you find something interesting, worthwhile and

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01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: productive to do this weekend. But if that doesn't pan out,

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01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: go check out the Meat Eater's YouTube channel and get

1163
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: caught up on the fur Hat Ice Tour. I promise

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01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: it's the best ice fishing show you've ever seen, and

1165
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: after you've done that, now send an email to Bent

1166
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: at the meat eater dot com. Tell us what you've

1167
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: been up too lately. Let us know what you crave

1168
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: and what you loathe. Keep those bar nominations, awkward fishing photos,

1169
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: salebin submissions, and your mother's maiden names coming. We collect

1170
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: and archive all of them, and we do love hearing

1171
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: from you so much that we do. And remember, ice

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01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:53,439
Speaker 1: fishing really is more than just a justification for day drinking. Yeah,

1173
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: it's a justification for day drinking and eating five brots

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01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: Kill bosses or Italian sausages, depending on where you live,

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01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: in a single afternoon