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Speaker 2: Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock. Thank you for
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Speaker 2: of course we will. I don't think I've ever said
Speaker 2: that before on this show, but we have a situation
Speaker 2: there and pretty much the fallout from NIL and maybe
Speaker 2: probably future situations like this. And as I said in
Speaker 2: the first hour, source said, hey, wait till December when
Speaker 2: you have a mass exodus with players who are not
Speaker 2: going to be playing in games at the end of
Speaker 2: the season, certainly in bowl games as well, and they'll
Speaker 2: get ready to transfer. We're just kind of I mentioned
Speaker 2: that we were kind of teetering here. College football is teetering,
Speaker 2: teetering on the verge of something great with the playoffs,
Speaker 2: teetering on the verge of are we going to have
Speaker 2: collective a bargaining agreement attached to college football? Which is
Speaker 2: where we are headed. Former MVP Derek Rose announced his retirement.
Speaker 2: What could have been? He was sort of Jah Moran
Speaker 2: before John Morant. He was extremely athletic, came out of Memphis,
Speaker 2: and he was an immediate hit there. If you look
Speaker 2: at winning your MVP in the first three years of
Speaker 2: your career, he did so. His third year in Chicago,
Speaker 2: Bob McAdoo did that, and his third year in Buffalo
Speaker 2: Dave Cowens did that as well. I mean, we've had
Speaker 2: a lot of players who have ended up winning their
Speaker 2: MVP in the first three years or so. Kareem wanted
Speaker 2: his second, Wes Unsealed his first, wiltis first, Bill Russell
Speaker 2: was second, Bob Petted his second. But Derrick Rose was
Speaker 2: in his third year. Then he got injured and was
Speaker 2: really never the same. And it's almost as if he
Speaker 2: had played six years instead of twelve years, like he
Speaker 2: would have been probably a Hall of Famer because I
Speaker 2: think the voters would have given him the benefit of
Speaker 2: the doubt of what could have been. But he did
Speaker 2: hang on, he did play. Probably didn't matter too much
Speaker 2: to many people here watching unless you know you saw
Speaker 2: him occasionally on a highlight. But he was a highlight
Speaker 2: when he played with the Chicago Bulls. But he was
Speaker 2: extremely athletic, explosive, fun and different coming into the league.
Speaker 2: But announcing his retirement there, Yes, Marvin, and.
Speaker 3: I think Derrick Grosse has a guess unbreakable record. He's
Speaker 3: the youngest MVP in NBA history at twenty two years old.
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody will win the MVP at twenty two.
Speaker 3: Maybe Victor, but he's got to put up unbelievable numbers
Speaker 3: and the Spurs have to be much better than what
Speaker 3: they are right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the voters they like to have you
Speaker 2: earn it. We're not going to give you the MVP.
Speaker 2: You have to earn it, and we want to see
Speaker 2: if you have postseason success. I mean, look at what
Speaker 2: they did with the Joker. We're not going to give
Speaker 2: him the MVP until he hasn't had any success in
Speaker 2: the postseason. Then he wins the title. Now all of
Speaker 2: a sudden we look at him differently, Giannis. We want
Speaker 2: to see if he's going to win. Okay, he wins.
Speaker 2: Now you know he's in that category of you know,
Speaker 2: it comes back around. We'll give an MVP. Joe El
Speaker 2: Embiid hasn't done anything in the postseason, but he has
Speaker 2: won MVP. It takes a lot. If you're coming in,
Speaker 2: you better be unique, and wemban Yama has that opportunity
Speaker 2: to be unique and maybe win one before he's twenty
Speaker 2: one years of age.
Speaker 4: Yes, Paul, Hall of Fame voters sometimes give you a
Speaker 4: Hall pass if you have a arable injury because you
Speaker 4: were on your way to the Hall of Fame. We
Speaker 4: mentioned Gail Sayers the other day. I think Grant Hill
Speaker 4: goes in for his entire career. Is Derek Rose on
Speaker 4: the cuspboar? Is it not that close for the Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame?
Speaker 2: No, because of the controversy at Memphis. So I'm including
Speaker 2: grand Hill at Duke winning titles and you can make
Speaker 2: an argument he was the best player on the team,
Speaker 2: and that's saying a lot back then. But with what
Speaker 2: they vacated those wins, I think at Memphis, didn't they
Speaker 2: in the final Four appearance or the Final Game appearance. Yes, Marvin, but.
Speaker 3: I think the standards for the Basketball Hall of Fame,
Speaker 3: no disrespect, they're a little bit lower than football in baseball.
Speaker 3: So every single person that's won the MVP Award in
Speaker 3: the NBA, they're in the Hall that's eligible. So I
Speaker 3: think the MVP Award gets him in. Like if Penny
Speaker 3: Hardaway won the MVP Award, he'd be in.
Speaker 2: Okay, So well, I think the Memphis thing hurts him.
Speaker 5: Okay, do what Cow's in the Hall?
Speaker 2: Well, I think what he did at Kentucky and what
Speaker 2: he did at U Mass. I mean, I'm gonna guess
Speaker 2: that he did more things, maybe at more places, than
Speaker 2: Derreck Rose did. Are you saying Cal shouldn't be in
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, No, he's just he got you Mass
Speaker 5: to the Final Four.
Speaker 2: You ever been to Amherst, Yes, yes, I went to
Speaker 2: I went to Midnight Madness. I was working at the
Speaker 2: mother Ship. Went to Midnight Madness there with the with
Speaker 2: the coach coach Cal and so yeah, I was there.
Speaker 5: I had Amherst rocket for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah he did, Yes, he did. Amherst. B Rocking stat
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Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 2: Uh, Caitlin Clark, her season came to an end. Quite
Speaker 2: a rookie year, quite an eleven month span for Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 2: That's what made it amazing. Is stepped out of the
Speaker 2: Final four, and then a week later she's in the WNBA.
Speaker 2: And then she has a pretty tough schedule to start out.
Speaker 2: I think they started out one in eight. She needed
Speaker 2: to rest. The Olympics certainly helped that, and she proved
Speaker 2: that she's not only the Rookie of the Year unanimous pick,
Speaker 2: but she finished in the top five MVP and rightfully
Speaker 2: so with what she did not only for her team,
Speaker 2: but for the league as well. And let's see, let's
Speaker 2: see how viewership is moving into the Final four for
Speaker 2: the WNBA with no Caitlyn Clark. The White Sox hold
Speaker 2: off infamy again as they have a walk off and
Speaker 2: still have a chance to be the worst baseball team
Speaker 2: in history. A couple of phone calls in here as
Speaker 2: we start hour two, it's and in Wisconsin high end.
Speaker 2: What's on your mind today?
Speaker 7: IDP, first time launch. I'm five to nine.
Speaker 8: None of your business.
Speaker 7: I am actually Coach Hockett's wife from Stevens Point and
Speaker 7: it is his birthday today and he asks for two
Speaker 7: things for his birthday. Number one was a birthday shout
Speaker 7: out from DP and the boys, and number two was
Speaker 7: to get you before retirement, to come down to Stephens
Speaker 7: Point and we'll get you in a game.
Speaker 2: Will you do I get in a regular season game?
Speaker 7: And well, no, I'm a professor here at Stephen's Point,
Speaker 7: so I do have some pull, so you know what,
Speaker 7: we can talk off air, and I've been working some
Speaker 7: nil deals for you. We have a big golf outing
Speaker 7: this weekend, and I'm going around town doing my you know,
Speaker 7: head coach wife duties, and no one wants to talk
Speaker 7: about the basketball. All they want to talk about is
Speaker 7: when is DP coming to Stephens Point.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm thinking about holding a press conference with three
Speaker 2: different hats in front of me and then announcing that
Speaker 2: I'm going to Wisconsin Stevens Point a shout out a
Speaker 2: happy birthday for coach.
Speaker 5: Let's go.
Speaker 2: Come on, that'll be Wisconsin, Green Bay and Doug Gott
Speaker 2: Lady oh oh, just made it personal. Thank you Mann,
Speaker 2: thank you for calling there. Let me see Cindy in
Speaker 2: North Carolina. Hi, Cindy, what's on your mind today? Hi?
Speaker 6: Dan?
Speaker 2: How are you average?
Speaker 8: But improving the backup quarterback situation? If the Steelers have
Speaker 8: the best, and I think they do, then my team,
Speaker 8: the Dolphins, we're the worst. We're disaster. And I think
Speaker 8: the frustrating thing about it is I have the feeling
Speaker 8: that there are coaches who don't take that position as
Speaker 8: serious as they should. I wanted us to trade for
Speaker 8: Justin Heal, so we have an injury prone quarterbacks with
Speaker 8: the history of concussions. Sure enough, the inevitable happens, and
Speaker 8: now we're stuck with Skyler Thompson, who it was terrible
Speaker 8: in the preseason. We let Mike White go, We signed
Speaker 8: Tim Boyle. We know how that worked out for the
Speaker 8: Jets last year, and maybe Tyler Huntley will come through.
Speaker 8: But it's almost coaching malpractice.
Speaker 2: Well I said that before, Cindy, and thank you for
Speaker 2: the phone call. If you're going to sign Tua to
Speaker 2: a long term deal, then you must have a quarterback,
Speaker 2: a backup who is capable of running this style of
Speaker 2: offense that has to be done, and he has to
Speaker 2: know that. I would have said that to him. We're
Speaker 2: going to give you a great contract, but we want
Speaker 2: to carve out some money for your backup because we
Speaker 2: are going to hold our breaths when you're playing, because
Speaker 2: all it takes is one more concussion and here we are.
Speaker 2: So I said that. I wouldn't have extended him in
Speaker 2: the first place. But if you're going to that's when
Speaker 2: you do. Go get somebody like Justin Fields. You get
Speaker 2: somebody who is at least capable of, you know, being
Speaker 2: a legitimate starting quarterback. Now Justin can't run that system
Speaker 2: the way Tua does, but I would ask about Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson once he gets healthy. I'd at least inquire. I
Speaker 2: would inquire about Zach Wilson. Adam Schefter brought this up.
Speaker 2: I got to find somebody who can get the ball out,
Speaker 2: knows how to run this offense with Mike McDaniel, because
Speaker 2: whoever they put in there, Mike will make them a
Speaker 2: better quarterback. I just want to start with somebody who's
Speaker 2: got more talent than some of these backup here because
Speaker 2: you got I mean you're ready to go. You're ready
Speaker 2: to go with this team. You made a big commitment
Speaker 2: to your wide receivers. You got to be ready to go.
Speaker 2: And who knows, you know when we get a further
Speaker 2: diagnosis on Tua, because it's going to be a few
Speaker 2: more weeks here before he's eligible to come back. Bradley
Speaker 2: and Vermont. Hi Bradley, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 1: Hi?
Speaker 9: Dan, first time caller, longtime listener five nine one fifty.
Speaker 9: I was calling about some thoughts for your guys's bowling team. Hmmm,
Speaker 9: a team name obviously Dan and the Dan Nets. And
Speaker 9: having been a longtime bowler myself, Uh, who do you
Speaker 9: guys think the lineup would be from? Say all of
Speaker 9: you one to five? Usually you do it like baseball,
Speaker 9: where your heavy hitter would be last or your cleanup man.
Speaker 2: Well, I like to think of it differently than you do, Bradley,
Speaker 2: because I subscribe to the Kyle Schwarber Show. He tyya,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna lead off on the hammer and
Speaker 2: I'm going to set the tone and just let people
Speaker 2: know there's more where that came from.
Speaker 9: And back up for a few months. Uh, bowling men
Speaker 9: only bowl without bumpers.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we know that. All I cared is could
Speaker 2: I drink beer? And I played with. My teammates were
Speaker 2: guys I worked with at CNN, and they were so
Speaker 2: disappointed when I cracked a beer. And I'm like, dude,
Speaker 2: this is like swing Loube when you're playing golf. I mean,
Speaker 2: I am going to tear this up until I'm impaired,
Speaker 2: and then I'm going to be really really bad. So
Speaker 2: true to form. First two games? Hey, all right?
Speaker 1: Third?
Speaker 10: Not so good?
Speaker 2: Not so good?
Speaker 11: You're not going to take this seriously, Dan, you might
Speaker 11: not be meant for the Rolling Thunders whatever.
Speaker 2: The team name might have been, the Rolling Thunder review
Speaker 2: that was rolling Bob Dylan. Yes, and you know Fritzy says, Oh,
Speaker 2: shouldn't you be the anchor of our team? Yeah, I am,
Speaker 2: but the anchor is leading off. Yes, Paul.
Speaker 4: There are sports like bowling, cornhole, sixteen softball that if
Speaker 4: you don't have a drink in the opposite end, you
Speaker 4: almost look unbalanced. It almost is improper not to have
Speaker 4: some time a beverage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm open for a bowling team, just
Speaker 2: I would like to have outfits. I think that would
Speaker 2: be important. I would like to have clear, customized bullet ball. Yeah,
Speaker 2: obviously the outfits are important. I'd like to have something
Speaker 2: form fitting. We can I can jump suit. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I'm open to it. I like kind
Speaker 2: of skin tight overalls, maybe with no shirt on underneath it.
Speaker 2: That's just let's just let let's say we're gonna send
Speaker 2: out a vibe. We're going to be Bill Murray and kingpen.
Speaker 11: Genevieve Morton at one time when she came in the
Speaker 11: La studio, I believe that was the outfit.
Speaker 10: By the way, I think bowling teams only have four people.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. We're going to find a league that
Speaker 2: has five. But if somebody's going to get left out,
Speaker 2: the guy who injured his arm during wiffle ball would
Speaker 2: probably have to sit this one out time.
Speaker 5: That could be the spare tire. I could hello anybody
Speaker 5: fair bowling tire.
Speaker 10: Fun is watching Todd bowle though?
Speaker 2: I know, but but okay, we watched him play wiffle
Speaker 2: ball at a pretty high level. Everybody was amazed, and
Speaker 2: then Todd goes, I'm going to go see at the doctor.
Speaker 5: Resulting in like level two ten tonight some some sort.
Speaker 2: No, right now, there were no levels there. He hurt
Speaker 2: himself playing whiffle.
Speaker 10: Ball, swinging a whiffle ball bat.
Speaker 5: Yes, I can't blame it. I'm pitching because there was
Speaker 5: my right arm and I was throwing with my left,
Speaker 5: so I had to be the follow through the I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't lose you to a bowling injury. I can't
Speaker 2: like knowing you. You'd get your hands stuck in that
Speaker 2: you know the ball return.
Speaker 5: And no bumpers. I don't like that idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me see what else do we have here?
Speaker 2: Robin Orlando, Hi, Rob Boots on your mind?
Speaker 12: Hey, good morning, dping the guys man. Hey, if Fritzy
Speaker 12: comes off the bench in that bowling league, man, his
Speaker 12: appearance could be sponsored by a tie rack your spare performer.
Speaker 12: What I called it about the quick Thank you to
Speaker 12: PAULI for the James Madison bet on over the weekend man.
Speaker 12: I laid a few dollars on it, and when he
Speaker 12: called him Jim Madison, I threw some additional money on it,
Speaker 12: which did me. Well. My other question for you, I
Speaker 12: got a technicality or eligibility question for admitting to the club.
Speaker 1: Huno.
Speaker 12: So I had a testicular cancer back when I was
Speaker 12: twenty eight, few years ago and had to sacrifice one
Speaker 12: of my plums. But I did, and it was a
Speaker 12: weird thing at the time. I didn't know what to do,
Speaker 12: but I did get a prosthetic one. So am I
Speaker 12: stole out in or not? I'll hang up and listen.
Speaker 2: I am going to say, yes, I'm going to let
Speaker 2: you in. Technically you have one good plumb, artificial plumb.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna go to the judges. Judges say yes,
Speaker 2: we're going to let you in. Yes, Paul, Yeah, checking
Speaker 2: the bylaws.
Speaker 5: Dan, it's og.
Speaker 4: Whatever you if you're ever at any point down to one,
Speaker 4: you're in the club. Yeah, og original. Wow, that's the bylaws.
Speaker 2: I didn't make them original. Gonad. I haven't heard that
Speaker 2: expression in a long time a bit. Yeah. I remember
Speaker 2: not wearing a cup playing softball and took a bad
Speaker 2: hop and it was like, oh, man, got hit in
Speaker 2: the gonuts. Might have been the last time I ever
Speaker 2: used that expression. Bring it back. It's yeah, heck yeah,
Speaker 2: bring back gonuds. All in favor, say I, Hi, okay,
Speaker 2: thank you, all right, We'll check in with the UNLV
Speaker 2: football program. I found it kind of interesting timing here
Speaker 2: about a quarterback who didn't get paid and this story
Speaker 2: breaks on the same day, around the same time that
Speaker 2: UNLV is getting a bonus check of around twenty seven
Speaker 2: million dollars for staying in a I think the Mountain
Speaker 2: West Conference. Here, Does that sound right, todd that they?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So the fact that this quarterback, Matthew Sluca is on
Speaker 2: his way out of UNLV top twenty five team and
Speaker 2: over a payment there so the irony of all ironies here.
Speaker 2: So yeah, here it is. UNLV agreed last night to
Speaker 2: a one time payment of twenty seven million dollars to
Speaker 2: stay in the Mountain West Conference on the same day
Speaker 2: that their quarterback decides to exit stage left. More on
Speaker 2: this situation coming up right after this.
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Speaker 2: We mentioned this yesterday it kind of took off nationally.
Speaker 2: UNLV quarterback Matthew Sluka left the undefeated UNLV Rebels Tuesday
Speaker 2: night overclaims of unfulfilled verbal nil promises from a UNLV
Speaker 2: assistant coach and the number that was thrown out he
Speaker 2: was promised one hundred thousand dollars as he was leaving
Speaker 2: Holy Cross to go to UNLV. They're undefeated, he's played well,
Speaker 2: and he decides that he's going to transfer and he's
Speaker 2: going to red shirt leave UNLV, and we just had
Speaker 2: Ross Tucker on Ross goes. He might be getting a
Speaker 2: half million to a million dollars if he goes someplace
Speaker 2: else next season, which he obviously is going to. David,
Speaker 2: I've been the national senior college football writer for The
Speaker 2: Athletic and a host of until Saturday, The Athletics College
Speaker 2: Football Podcast, joining us on the program, David, how did
Speaker 2: we get here? How do you summarize exactly what happened?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 13: Do you want to go through thirty years of institable
Speaker 13: A officials putting the line in the sand as the
Speaker 13: rest of the world and common sense crossed over and
Speaker 13: they refuse to adopt common sense rules, and now you
Speaker 13: have an an il landscape with not very many rules
Speaker 13: and not very many guidelines, and no one protecting players,
Speaker 13: no one protecting programs, and situations like these are gonna happen.
Speaker 13: I mean, this is very different from the Jade and
Speaker 13: Rashada saga for a number of reasons, but it's in
Speaker 13: spirited is similar, and that you have a kid being
Speaker 13: promised a lot of money and not being delivered on
Speaker 13: that money. And the main reason is because of all
Speaker 13: of those factors at play in the landscape that make
Speaker 13: this sort of just a lawless place where people are
Speaker 13: trying to figure it out. And it's very hard to
Speaker 13: figure out, especially for you know, kids who are dealing
Speaker 13: with these situations for the first time ever, and there's
Speaker 13: it's only been happening for three years and only been
Speaker 13: happening as it is now for a couple of years,
Speaker 13: and it's it's hard to figure out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but okay, apply logic and I know that's rarely done.
Speaker 10: It's college, it's easy.
Speaker 2: So he's leaving holy Cross, he's going to UNLV and
Speaker 2: says that he was promised one hundred thousand dollars by
Speaker 2: an assistant coach. It's a verbal promise. Now you have
Speaker 2: to go to the collective to get that money. Like
Speaker 2: there's a disconnect between the coaching staff and the collective
Speaker 2: because the NCAA says, you know, they can't you know
Speaker 2: coexist here from the standpoint of having contact, which is silly.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any way you recruit somebody and
Speaker 2: then say I can't promise you anything, go talk to
Speaker 2: the collective. What kid is going to transfer under that
Speaker 2: false pretense? So how do they prove or disprove the
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars offer from an assistant coach? Well
Speaker 2: you can.
Speaker 13: I mean, I guess there's not a lot of reason
Speaker 13: for a kid, So that's a lie. And if you
Speaker 13: looked at all the statements that came out yesterday, nobody
Speaker 13: seemed to be disputing this verbal agreement, but they're disputing
Speaker 13: that there's a written agreement that they can prove in
Speaker 13: court that they're going to owe this kid actually money
Speaker 13: he's gonna get paid at all. So it's it's it
Speaker 13: goes into this place where there's not a lot of norms,
Speaker 13: there's not a lot of rules, and so I think
Speaker 13: that there's It definitely seems to be true that that
Speaker 13: the coach promised him money, and he wouldn't be the
Speaker 13: first coach to promise the kid money that they didn't
Speaker 13: have at the moment. But you get the kid, you think, well,
Speaker 13: we can get donors, we can get boosters excited, we
Speaker 13: can pay him on the back end. We can make
Speaker 13: this happen once we get them. And it seems clear
Speaker 13: based on them coming back to the coaching staff, coming
Speaker 13: back to the collective over and over since February when
Speaker 13: the steal was ironed out, that they didn't have the
Speaker 13: money to pay him. That seems clear at this point.
Speaker 13: And so that's a failure on the part of the
Speaker 13: entire sort of UNLV landscape. And it's an embarrassing saga.
Speaker 13: And this is the kind of stuff that that really
Speaker 13: hurts you on the recruiting trail. You know, Florida dealt
Speaker 13: with some of this as well. It's thirteen million dollars
Speaker 13: versus one hundred thousand dollars. But these are things that
Speaker 13: that are going to be brought up on the recruiting
Speaker 13: trail and it's tough to for for for schools to
Speaker 13: deal with that. But it's a it's an ugly situation,
Speaker 13: and you know, it goes back to if you don't
Speaker 13: know that you have the money, maybe don't promise it.
Speaker 13: But one hundred thousand dollars is not very much money.
Speaker 13: It seems to me that it's it's kind of hard
Speaker 13: to believe, even with all of the lack of support
Speaker 13: that has kind of plagued you one of these program
Speaker 13: that you can't come up with one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 13: for your starting quarterback in Vegas. I mean you could
Speaker 13: probably go walk around the street and count, you know,
Speaker 13: ten dollars bills in the cracks of the sidewalk and
Speaker 13: probably be able to come up with that. So's it's
Speaker 13: it's hard to believe, but that seems to be the
Speaker 13: reality for the program right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my college source said to me this morning, you
Speaker 2: WENTLV wanted to play the game, they couldn't afford to
Speaker 2: pay the game. Therefore, hey, we want to be big time.
Speaker 2: And then they do this, you know, but in the
Speaker 2: same timeframe of a twenty seven million dollar payout to
Speaker 2: stay in the Mountain West, where this kid's trying to
Speaker 2: get one hundred thousand dollars that you promised him. So
Speaker 2: what's the fallout? Like, where where is college football going
Speaker 2: from here? I said that we're kind of teetering. We're
Speaker 2: teetering on the vergess something great with the playoffs, but
Speaker 2: we're also teetering on the verge of what direction are
Speaker 2: we really headed in with the total landscape of college football.
Speaker 13: Well, it's something that makes a little bit more sense.
Speaker 13: This sort of perpetual free agency for everybody on every
Speaker 13: team every year is not good for the sport. It's
Speaker 13: not good for the kids. You have situations like these.
Speaker 13: You know this is a public situation, but you hear
Speaker 13: whispers of kids getting shorted and they stick around because
Speaker 13: they're like, well, this is the only way I'm gonna
Speaker 13: get paid is if I just stick around and maybe
Speaker 13: I'm good enough they decide they're eventually gonna pay me.
Speaker 13: You kind of hear stuff like that, but you don't
Speaker 13: see guys leaving teams over it very often.
Speaker 1: So ultimately, what I say.
Speaker 13: With this is you can see in the court cases,
Speaker 13: you can see in a lot of the legislation that's
Speaker 13: kind of moving through, is that we're gonna get towards
Speaker 13: something resembling employment, something resembling revenue sharing, where there's twenty
Speaker 13: seven million dollar checks that you're getting that's not explicitly
Speaker 13: TV revenue, but it's basically TV revenue, and the players
Speaker 13: will get some portion of that. What that exactly looks like,
Speaker 13: what those percentages look like I think.
Speaker 10: Is still in flux.
Speaker 13: But when you have no rules and no contracts and
Speaker 13: anything like that, you have no control over player movement,
Speaker 13: and the courts have proven that over and over again.
Speaker 13: But if you get to something resembling employment and something
Speaker 13: resembling revenue sharing, and then you can have contracts and
Speaker 13: it makes it harder for kids to leave, and it's
Speaker 13: not exploitive to limit where guys can go. It's the
Speaker 13: same thing we see in pro sports. You know, if
Speaker 13: Patrick Mahomes wants to go join the Patriots tomorrow, he
Speaker 13: can't do that because he's under contract, and nobody complains
Speaker 13: because he's being paid well and he signed the contract.
Speaker 13: But you don't have that in college sports right now.
Speaker 1: So something close to.
Speaker 13: That is coming to bring a little bit of common
Speaker 13: sense back to the roster management across the sport.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a collective bargaining agreement here, David.
Speaker 2: That's yes, that's where we're that's where we're heading.
Speaker 13: Yeah, you're right, But the issue is that one you
Speaker 13: have eighty five, it's going to be one hundred and
Speaker 13: five scholarship guys on one hundred and thirty four FBS
Speaker 13: teams and it's a transient workforce. It's only going to
Speaker 13: be relevant in the sport usually one to three years.
Speaker 13: You're only playing sport for four to five years. So
Speaker 13: that presents some challenges. And you talk to people that
Speaker 13: are kind of in the mix for trying to become
Speaker 13: the people that kind of help form this union, they
Speaker 13: say those challenges can be overcome. But you look at
Speaker 13: the NFL where you got you know, thirty two teams
Speaker 13: and fifty three man roster. That's a much more manageable workforce,
Speaker 13: and they're going to be there for a little bit
Speaker 13: longer time. You have leaders, you have guys that are
Speaker 13: in the league that become faces and understand how these
Speaker 13: things work for ten years.
Speaker 1: You don't have that in college.
Speaker 13: So in addition to your students at a university as well,
Speaker 13: which complicates all this as well. So I think ultimately
Speaker 13: you're right, you'll get to something resembling a collective bard agree,
Speaker 13: but you have to have something resembling a players association
Speaker 13: that can collectively bargain on behalf of the players and
Speaker 13: they're not gonna all agree and getting a consensus or
Speaker 13: what players want. When that workforce is that big and
Speaker 13: that transient is a challenge.
Speaker 2: Does the NCAA have a role in this? So they
Speaker 2: are they playing okay.
Speaker 13: No, this is people in the sport. I think they
Speaker 13: figured it out a lot in COVID that you know,
Speaker 13: the conferences are meeting every day, They're saying, hey, what's
Speaker 13: going on at your campus? What can we do? This
Speaker 13: is really what it was laid there. I think everybody
Speaker 13: knew it. But during COVID when they're trying to figure
Speaker 13: out how do we best serve our athletes? How do
Speaker 13: we figure out can we get to a season? Can
Speaker 13: we get guys back on campus? The conferences are meeting
Speaker 13: every day, The leadership on the campuses are meeting every day.
Speaker 13: They go weeks months without hearing from the INCIDABA, and
Speaker 13: I think you talk to people around the sport. Like
Speaker 13: I said, everybody kind of knew the NCAA was mia
Speaker 13: on dealing with big picture issues and trying to get
Speaker 13: to solutions. But when you have this gigantic pandemic that
Speaker 13: disrupts everything, the absence there really kind of let schools
Speaker 13: and campus figure out like, oh no, we got to
Speaker 13: figure this out ourselves.
Speaker 2: David, good to talk to you. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: David Evan, the national senior college football writer for The Athletic,
Speaker 2: host of Until Saturday, The Athletics, College Football and podcast.
Speaker 2: The NCAA is like a mall cop. They look like
Speaker 2: they have authority, but they don't. You're a mall cop.
Speaker 2: You don't even have a gun.
Speaker 5: What was that, Seth Rogan movie Deserving report.
Speaker 2: Observing report or Paul Blart or Paul Blart mall cop.
Speaker 2: That's the NC double A. Hey, it's it's a lion
Speaker 2: without any teeth. It's like, oh, okay, I'm gonna I
Speaker 2: can oh look at the cute little NC double A
Speaker 2: Oh boy, alright. A couple more phone calls in here,
Speaker 2: uh Andy in Puerto Rico, Hi, Andy, what's on your
Speaker 2: mind today?
Speaker 1: Good morning?
Speaker 6: First time love you long time six ' one and
Speaker 6: a Bruce Leesque one seventy Dan, Dan, and Dennett. You
Speaker 6: like family to me, and Dan, I know you love
Speaker 6: love and I had to call you like a proud
Speaker 6: son to let you know today in Puerto Rico, I
Speaker 6: am going to be getting I am going to be
Speaker 6: proposing to my maiden girlfriend and I just had to
Speaker 6: let you know and possibly get some advice if I've
Speaker 6: already been told it's the engage your ring, the.
Speaker 5: Marriage ring, and the struggling.
Speaker 6: So I just you know, wanted to you know, get
Speaker 6: some advice to see see how you feel about this.
Speaker 2: Then okay, run the run, run through the day. Here,
Speaker 2: what are we doing? How's it start?
Speaker 6: You know where where We're gonna be going to, uh,
Speaker 6: the lovely rainforest for a guided tour. Then from there
Speaker 6: we're gonna be going to a lovely rum factory to
Speaker 6: get another tour. You know, we're just staying busy to
Speaker 6: kind of keep her off track because I don't want
Speaker 6: her to get any whiff that you know, this is coming,
Speaker 6: and not to mention she has no idea, So that's
Speaker 6: the beauty about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, But then when's the proposed, Like, how how are
Speaker 2: we proposing?
Speaker 6: I I plan on doing that at the beach close
Speaker 6: to sunset around sunset right now. I've been keeping track
Speaker 6: of the weather. It's it's looking like it's gonna be
Speaker 6: on my side right now, closet and rolling in unfortunately
Speaker 6: because it's a little wet season right now. But for
Speaker 6: the most part, everything's looking good so far. So you know,
Speaker 6: it's just it's it's more or less, you know, air
Speaker 6: with the weather, but also making sure that tonight is
Speaker 6: Dad popped the question because we will be leaving tomorrow,
Speaker 6: and honestly, I've been trying to call you guys since
Speaker 6: last Friday and I have not been able to get through.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, are you just going to get down on
Speaker 2: one knee on the beach with the sunset?
Speaker 6: Yes, that's that. That would be it. I was, you know,
Speaker 6: there was other ideas I did try to you know,
Speaker 6: get you know, get together. But for the most part,
Speaker 6: I feel like the sunset with it out on the
Speaker 6: beach is beautiful as perfect, and you know, I feel
Speaker 6: like there is no perfect moment. It's just when, you know,
Speaker 6: feel the timing is right, and I feel like tonight.
Speaker 2: Will be a great night for that. Okay, And don't
Speaker 2: drop any silly hens, uh, you know, when you're taking
Speaker 2: your tours. Don't get liquored up at the rum place
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden start you know, talking
Speaker 2: loosely about getting engaged or not getting engaged or trying
Speaker 2: to throw her off. Don't don't overact here. Okay, Oh definitely, Dan.
Speaker 6: And one more thing, unlike Dylan the graphics guy, I'm
Speaker 6: actually one of the youngest thirty seven year olds you've
Speaker 6: ever seen in your life.
Speaker 2: All right, well, Andy, I love love, congratulations, good luck,
Speaker 2: don't screw it up?
Speaker 5: Oh definitely not.
Speaker 6: And hey, I tune into you guys every day and
Speaker 6: I can never take a break from you all, even
Speaker 6: if I'm back home or if I'm on vacation.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll safe travels there, but good luck tonight.
Speaker 2: We're all counting on you. I don't know. It didn't
Speaker 2: sound like you had a great game plan for actually
Speaker 2: giving her the ring. And then the weather's gonna play
Speaker 2: a role. What if it rains? I don't know. You
Speaker 2: try to make it perfect. Sometimes you try to make
Speaker 2: it too perfect.
Speaker 4: Yes, Paul, I thought you had a good point of
Speaker 4: your drinking rum all day. You got to ring in
Speaker 4: your pocket? Is it secure if you have dinner plans
Speaker 4: ready for afterwards?
Speaker 5: He seemed loose.
Speaker 2: What could go wrong? He seemed a little too overconfident,
Speaker 2: you know he did. He's like, I'm gonna throw her off.
Speaker 2: We're gonna take go through the rainforest, going to go
Speaker 2: to a rum place factory, and then we're going to
Speaker 2: go to the beach and clouds are rolling in and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, that could be a metaphor
Speaker 2: for exactly what's going to happen.
Speaker 10: M don't see fellas all excited. He's he is high
Speaker 10: on life right now, he's nothing.
Speaker 2: Trying to help. See, I'm trying to help. I don't
Speaker 2: know if that does I am. I'm just saying, don't
Speaker 2: base it on weather. Like when when kids are in
Speaker 2: your wedding party, the little kids, and then you're trying
Speaker 2: to go oh yeah, and then the little Skippy is
Speaker 2: going to be the ring bear, and then Skippy decides
Speaker 2: to sit down in the aisle and not move. Just
Speaker 2: you know you're going to rely on an animal or
Speaker 2: a little child, or the weather could be nicy there,
Speaker 2: just say trying to help Andy, Yes, Paul, Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the beach is an uncontrolled environment. There could be
Speaker 4: people running around and there is there a chance to
Speaker 4: take a picture. I don't know if you guys know this,
Speaker 4: but the day I was going to ask my girlfriend
Speaker 4: to marry me, I had it all set up and
Speaker 4: I call an audible and code red code red and
Speaker 4: didn't do it, not because I wasn't sure. It was
Speaker 4: the day my wife got her master's degree. Special day.
Speaker 4: But then like it was raining like crazy. Her brothers
Speaker 4: were like maniacs and making a mess at the restaurant,
Speaker 4: arguing about what we're going to eat. And she was
Speaker 4: in a bad mood because the brothers are kind of jacking.
Speaker 2: Up the day being brothers. Yeah, being brothers and bean knucklehead.
Speaker 2: I called an audible. I pushed it back a week. Okay,
Speaker 2: I felt there was the right call at the time. Well,
Speaker 2: you got to read the room, you know, I can't.
Speaker 2: You can't force love. It just it just happens. It
Speaker 2: just happens, just.
Speaker 3: Out of nowhere. Yeah, Oh yeah, absolutely, I didn't mind.
Speaker 3: I Rockefeller Center, oh.
Speaker 2: In front of you know, five hundred of your closest friends.
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. I didn't get down on one knee or anything.
Speaker 2: What would you do?
Speaker 3: I took the ring out and I asked her to
Speaker 3: marry me. Oh but my wife would have a panic
Speaker 3: attack if I got on one knee and people saw
Speaker 3: that happening.
Speaker 2: Okay, but why Rockefeller Center. It's a really busy.
Speaker 3: Play because the last time, because the last time we
Speaker 3: went to Rockefeller Center, she swore it was gonna happen,
Speaker 3: and it did not happen. It was Chris it was
Speaker 3: Christmas time.
Speaker 5: We were going. We went there and see the tree. Yeah,
Speaker 5: see the tree.
Speaker 3: All that stuff, and I was like, oh, the NBA
Speaker 3: store is right here. And she was like what and
Speaker 3: she cried on the train ride home.
Speaker 2: Well, you can't bring her back. Then she knows you're gonna.
Speaker 3: Get She had no she had no idea. This was December.
Speaker 3: I asked her in April. And because we always went
Speaker 3: to New York.
Speaker 4: And you're sitting there with her forty five dollars Memphis
Speaker 4: Grizzlies hat.
Speaker 3: On the way home, I was like, boy, this new
Speaker 3: New Orleans jazz fitted is phenomenal.
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, boy, she's done the amount of
Speaker 2: money I could have spent on an engagement spent it
Speaker 2: on gear. Look at me, honey, look hot. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: look at the Yeah, it's tr right. Let me take
Speaker 2: a break. More phone calls coming up, and an interesting
Speaker 2: stat on the Chicago White Sox that I think you'll
Speaker 2: find well interesting, and that'll be after this.
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Speaker 2: Looking at some numbers here, the Ravens can tie the
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three through seventy six Buffalo Bills with thirty
Speaker 2: seven consecutive games of rushing for at least one hundred yards.
Speaker 2: Pretty amazing run. Obviously pun intended, but you start to
Speaker 2: look at the Buffalo Bills are on there, the Lions
Speaker 2: back in nineteen thirty five. The Steelers in seventy four
Speaker 2: through seventy seven had forty three consecutive games, but that's
Speaker 2: when you did run and play great defense because they
Speaker 2: had Rocky Blyer and Franco Harris. The Ravens twenty eighteen
Speaker 2: through twenty twenty one had forty three consecutive games rushing
Speaker 2: for one hundred yards. Also a couple other things. I
Speaker 2: don't know why we're kind of numb to passing numbers.
Speaker 2: Tom Brady has one hundred and two thousand passing yards.
Speaker 2: For some reason, I wasn't aware that he had that many.
Speaker 2: I guess that's including postseason as well. Drew Brees has
Speaker 2: eighty five thousand, Peyton Manning seventy nine thousand, Brett Farv
Speaker 2: seventy seven thousand. Uh, Dan Marino's on here, Philip Rivers,
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers has sixty five thousand yards, but Brady has
Speaker 2: one o two in his career. I'm assuming that his
Speaker 2: postseason as well.
Speaker 4: Yes, Paul, Yeah, I have Tom Brady with eighty nine thousand,
Speaker 4: two hundred and fourteen in the regular season, plus six
Speaker 4: hundred and forty nine touchdowns. In the postseason, he has
Speaker 4: thirteen thousand, four hundred yards, eighty eight touchdowns and forty picks.
Speaker 4: His postseason stats are similar to like, you know, like that,
Speaker 4: that's a decent career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're regular. Whoaoow stead of a day, stall of
Speaker 2: a day?
Speaker 8: Stead of a day?
Speaker 1: Stantata day.
Speaker 2: This is the stat of the day. Stat of the Day,
Speaker 2: brought to you by Panini America. Also, TJ. Watt is
Speaker 2: closing in on one hundred sacks. He has ninety nine
Speaker 2: and a half in one hundred and seven games. He
Speaker 2: will be the second fastest to one hundred sacks since
Speaker 2: they started keep I still can't believe the NFL only
Speaker 2: kept track of stats back in nineteen eighty two. With sacks.
Speaker 2: It's Reggie White. It took him ninety six games to
Speaker 2: get to one hundred. I still love it. If I
Speaker 2: mean NFL films documented a lot of this, I would
Speaker 2: think that you would be able to go back and
Speaker 2: check the stats on sacks back then, but they only
Speaker 2: have it in nineteen eighty two. I mentioned an interesting
Speaker 2: stat for you. The Chicago White Sox right now have
Speaker 2: thirty eight wins. Thirty eight wins in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, they had thirty six wins in sixty games.
Speaker 2: That was during COVID. Go ahead, mark, Yeah, you can.
Speaker 5: Start of the day startup the.
Speaker 9: Day statu, the day start of the day statu, the
Speaker 9: day startup, day startup to day startup the third.
Speaker 2: There are only fifty three and a half games out
Speaker 2: of first place, so there's still time. So they have
Speaker 2: thirty eight wins this year. They had thirty six wins
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty and that's when they only played sixty games. Wow, okay,
Speaker 2: I saw this situation. This was something we brought up
Speaker 2: at the time. How do you prove that you were
Speaker 2: the first to have the Shoho Tani home run ball?
Speaker 2: There was controversy. There was an eighteen year old fan
Speaker 2: who had the ball and was taken out of his hands. Well,
Speaker 2: the eighteen year old has filed a lawsuit saying he
Speaker 2: caught show Hey Otani's fiftieth home run ball first, and
Speaker 2: we'll seek an injunction to stop an auction that is
Speaker 2: scheduled to start on Friday, opening bid for that baseball
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars. And Darren Ravel is providing all
Speaker 2: this information, and we wondered about that, how do you
Speaker 2: prove that you had the ball? What is the saying
Speaker 2: go about possession? What is it nine tenths nine tenths
Speaker 2: of the wall or something like that. But did he
Speaker 2: have the ball? How long did he have the ball?
Speaker 2: And is that enough to file an injunction here and
Speaker 2: stop this auction?
Speaker 4: Yes, Pauline, we've been watching the video here and there's
Speaker 4: one person right behind the scrum for the baseball, and
Speaker 4: these two gentlemen are going at it. One guy's more
Speaker 4: of like a middle aged guy, and one of guy's
Speaker 4: clearly like a high school kid. And then there's that
Speaker 4: guy on top of both of them. You can't see
Speaker 4: what's going on the bottom because one guy is huddled
Speaker 4: like in a fetal position around the ball. The kid
Speaker 4: is standing and has his arm down. You can't see
Speaker 4: anything that helps you with like if you went to
Speaker 4: the review we were discussing should you to complete the
Speaker 4: process of catching the ball, and not to be.
Speaker 2: Snarky, complete the process, you.
Speaker 4: Kind of have to stand up and say I got it.
Speaker 4: Isn't that who has the ball?
Speaker 2: I would think so, like I've I've had balls go
Speaker 2: through my hands there and I can't say, hey, I
Speaker 2: caught it. Wait a minute, sorry, yeah, thank you. Haven't
Speaker 2: we all had balls go through our hands.
Speaker 10: Never made that mistake again, never, one time and one
Speaker 10: time only.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough watching the video.
Speaker 4: There's very little for the uh, the plaintiff to go on.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of feels like a loss for everybody,
Speaker 11: to be honest with you, the kid kind of seems
Speaker 11: like a loser for suing. Uh, it's never gonna happen.
Speaker 11: And then you kind of look like a loser even
Speaker 11: though you got the ball. When you rip out of
Speaker 11: a kid's hands and then you stand up with it
Speaker 11: over your head celebrating, you kind of look like a
Speaker 11: jerk then too.
Speaker 10: But at least you're gonna get five hundred k at.
Speaker 2: Least at least I mean, it's not like he's taking
Speaker 2: it out of a nine year old's hands. It's an
Speaker 2: eighteen year old.
Speaker 11: Yeah, the kid is eighteen, but it's still when you look,
Speaker 11: you're not looking like Yeah, I had to wrestle it
Speaker 11: away from a grown man.
Speaker 10: There's no one's confusing that scenario.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what it's. It's a survival there. You're
Speaker 2: in a mosh pit, you know, I get it. Yes, ton,
Speaker 2: I've looked.
Speaker 5: Like a jerk many times for free. So if it's
Speaker 5: a half a million dollars on the line, I think
Speaker 5: that's a worthwhile deal to make.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd have no problem not gonna you know eight
Speaker 2: y oh, I don't forget.
Speaker 5: About it over time.
Speaker 3: You know where I mean, you're pulling up in your
Speaker 3: fancy sports card and you got your fur coat or
Speaker 3: whatever you like to.
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