Speaker 1: I'm Honey Germy. My parents are Dominican. I was born
Speaker 1: and raised in New York City. I love sneakers and
Speaker 1: I'm a body positive advocate.
Speaker 2: I'm Carolina Bermudez soy Nikaa wins it. But I was
Speaker 2: born and raised in Ohio. I'm a wife, a mama,
Speaker 2: and a worker bee. This is life in Spanglish. You
Speaker 2: know the episode's gonna be good when we begin with girl.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, wow, this is explosive. I can't believe
Speaker 2: what is going on, and we must discuss the big
Speaker 2: Lizzo news that's been breaking over the past couple of
Speaker 2: days because there's just so much going on that I
Speaker 2: can hardly wrap my mind around it.
Speaker 1: The same here is like every time I turn around,
Speaker 1: it's like a different angle with this Lizzo story.
Speaker 2: Definitely, So yeah, that is what we were discussing today
Speaker 2: in Life in Spanglish. Now, I will say I have
Speaker 2: been very surprised, just like Honey has, because it's like
Speaker 2: when these I guess allegations came out, well, I was
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, really like Lizo, because I mean,
Speaker 2: when you hear all of the things that we break
Speaker 2: it down for you, it may come as a surprise
Speaker 2: to you too. But now that more details are coming
Speaker 2: out and more people are talking about, you know, her
Speaker 2: personality and what Lizo was like to work with, and
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. I'm just I'm really really
Speaker 2: trying to just like break it all down. But this
Speaker 2: information is coming fast and furious. And it's funny because
Speaker 2: one of my friends that I was talking to about
Speaker 2: it said, you know what, they build you up and
Speaker 2: then they take you down, because you know, Lizo has
Speaker 2: been trying to make it in this industry now for
Speaker 2: I mean obviously over a decade, and she's worked her
Speaker 2: tail off and it seems like she was everywhere these
Speaker 2: past couple of years.
Speaker 1: And she's managed to do something that's super commendable and
Speaker 1: it exists in a black space, a white space in
Speaker 1: R and B, hip hop and pop. Like what she's
Speaker 1: done here, not only as a woman of color, but
Speaker 1: as a plus woman. I've always been a fan Carolina
Speaker 1: just on the strength of that.
Speaker 2: Well, she's talented, that's no doubt.
Speaker 1: Right, And here we are now trying to tear down Lizzo.
Speaker 2: You know. And here's the thing. These are allegations and
Speaker 2: so we are not speaking with authority on any of this,
Speaker 2: because you know clearly this is just a story that's
Speaker 2: breaking now. I was so shocked to wake up this morning.
Speaker 2: The first thing that showed up on my Instagram was
Speaker 2: her statement today. So three of Lizzo's former dancers have
Speaker 2: filed a lawsuit against her, her production company, and the
Speaker 2: dance captain that she hired, shir Lean Quickly. So this
Speaker 2: is basically what the whole lawsuit is about. These dancers
Speaker 2: are alleging sexual, religious and racial harassment, disability discrimination, assault,
Speaker 2: and false imprisonment. That one was the one that blew
Speaker 2: me away. I was like, whoa need to norm know
Speaker 2: more about that one?
Speaker 1: This is a lot and I feel like the legal
Speaker 1: terms are kind of like dragging it a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are a paralegal, honey, and so I feel
Speaker 2: like you have like a lot of knowledge on this
Speaker 2: and you can really help us understand what's going on
Speaker 2: with this whole story.
Speaker 1: No, for sure. And you know we got to get
Speaker 1: in the false imprisonment. That's where they caught me out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do they mean by that? And then
Speaker 1: it's like we get into it and it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: fear of losing your job, like not wanting to do
Speaker 1: certain things because of retaliation. There's a lot here to unpack. Carolina.
Speaker 2: Ooh yeah, so these dancers are claiming that when they
Speaker 2: were on tour with Lizzo, she invited them. This is okay,
Speaker 2: by the way, let's just say this. If you're listening
Speaker 2: to Life in Spanglish with little kiddos, first of all,
Speaker 2: we appreciate it, but the rest of this episode is
Speaker 2: going to be not safe for them, so we want
Speaker 2: to give you fair warning. We love that you listen,
Speaker 2: but this might be the part where either you pause
Speaker 2: it and come back and listen later so that the
Speaker 2: little ears don't hear what's going on, because it can
Speaker 2: get pretty graphic and like not safe for kids, not
Speaker 2: safe for work if you're listening to us at work
Speaker 2: on a desktop and other people can hear. We just
Speaker 2: want to give you fair warning because when we give
Speaker 2: you these details, you're going to see why this is
Speaker 2: kind of more of an adult conversation.
Speaker 1: You want to start with Bananashow, Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think we should have started there, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: because I mean, yeah, this is where I was just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I've been in situations before throughout my professional career where
Speaker 2: people have taken me to different places. Look, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, there are some times where in the
Speaker 2: past I've had to go and meet somebody that I
Speaker 2: worked with at a strip club to drop something off
Speaker 2: for them, you know what I mean. So this is
Speaker 2: not unheard of any entertainment industry. I think that there
Speaker 2: are a lot of people who have similar stories of
Speaker 2: you know, being in different places where perhaps they didn't
Speaker 2: think business was going to go down, But this kind
Speaker 2: of takes it to a different level. So I've never
Speaker 2: been involved in anything like this, and I don't know
Speaker 2: how I would have reacted if my b or somebody
Speaker 2: who was my superior took me to a place like.
Speaker 1: This and it you know, they're out in Amsterdam. Let's
Speaker 1: let's put that out there, which you know has this
Speaker 1: red light district. A lot of sexual stuff happens, and
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people are open to
Speaker 1: going to these types of shows. And she probably like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just hanging out or whatever, but what transpired at
Speaker 1: the show is what is the real issue?
Speaker 2: Carolina definitely well. Also, I will clarify I used to
Speaker 2: work for a DJ when I was interning one of
Speaker 2: my very first internship jobs. And when I tell you
Speaker 2: that I had to go to the strip club, it's
Speaker 2: that he used to have records, like you know, so
Speaker 2: they used to have these crates of records, and he
Speaker 2: left one at the station. I had to go to
Speaker 2: the station and picking up tickets him at the strip
Speaker 2: club where he was DJing. So I don't want anybody
Speaker 2: thinking that anything crazy went on, So just to clarify that,
Speaker 2: So yeah, the Dancwers claimed that while Lizo invited them
Speaker 2: to a nude performance in Amsterdam, they went because they
Speaker 2: feared that they would lose their jobs. So while they
Speaker 2: were at this show, the lawsuit is claim mean that
Speaker 2: Lizzo began leading a camp for one of the girls
Speaker 2: in the lawsuit to touch one of the performer's breasts.
Speaker 2: So she felt a little bit coerced at that point
Speaker 2: because she went on three times and it was loud
Speaker 2: enough for everybody to hear, and she expressed to her
Speaker 2: in her words that she was good, like she said,
Speaker 2: I'm good, and that to her was basically saying I
Speaker 2: do not want to touch this performer's breass. But then
Speaker 2: she went ahead and did it because she was fearful
Speaker 2: that it may harm her future on the team, hence retaliation.
Speaker 2: So later that night, the allegations continue and they say
Speaker 2: that Lizzo was badgering a member of her security team
Speaker 2: to get on stage and then she pulled down his
Speaker 2: pants and hit him with whips.
Speaker 1: And Jesus, that is a lot what is happening at
Speaker 1: Camp Lizzo.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, this is like next level while. But
Speaker 2: I've never been to Amsterdam. I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: ever been to Amsterdam, Honey.
Speaker 1: I have not, but I have friends that have been,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's a little while over there, right.
Speaker 2: Like I've heard of people that have gone on vacation
Speaker 2: or with other friends and stuff like that, but I've
Speaker 2: never been, and I did hear that. You know, things
Speaker 2: get a little crazy. So later that night they're saying that,
Speaker 2: you know, a number of things also happened. One of
Speaker 2: the things was what you mentioned the banana, which I'm
Speaker 2: gonna let you take that one.
Speaker 1: Well, it seems though where they went they have this
Speaker 1: banana show where people, I guess patrons are encouraged to
Speaker 1: eat like a banana out of like the private parts
Speaker 1: of some of the performers or after it's been in
Speaker 1: there and that exactly. Now, that's some nastiness right there, Carolina.
Speaker 1: I'm not with it. I don't care if you my
Speaker 1: boss or not. This is the day that we part ways.
Speaker 1: I'm not eating no banana out of nobody's coucy. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: And there's another discussion about Lizzo telling them that they
Speaker 2: were going to go to a bar in Paris, but
Speaker 2: not revealing to them that it was going to be
Speaker 2: a nude cabaret, which I think that that's important to
Speaker 2: let people know, like, hey, we're going to go clubbing,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go out, it's going to be a wild night,
Speaker 2: we're gonna do xyz, so that those people who kind
Speaker 2: of that aren't into that stuff can make that decision
Speaker 2: for themselves and decide whether or not they want to go.
Speaker 1: There another instance where you could say I'm good and
Speaker 1: decide to fall back. But I'm gonna be in my room,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do an iemask, I'm gonna tweeze my chin
Speaker 1: hair anything. I don't want to see naked people tonight.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and you think about it. If these people
Speaker 2: are on the road, they are going out every single
Speaker 2: day and not going out like partying. They're performing every
Speaker 2: single day. They're in a different town. They have to
Speaker 2: keep track of, you know, where they are. Sometimes that
Speaker 2: means self care. You know, self care could be exactly
Speaker 2: what you said, deciding to stay in bed and saying,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm not about that tonight, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take care of me. I'm going to order room service.
Speaker 2: And so they felt pressured that if they didn't go,
Speaker 2: that they would that they would get retaliated against, and
Speaker 2: that it would be held against them. Now, another thing
Speaker 2: that I also read in this lawsuit was that the
Speaker 2: dancers were saying that the management team was entirely white,
Speaker 2: and that the team was accusing the black members of
Speaker 2: the dance team for being lazy and unprofessional and would
Speaker 2: say that they had bad attitudes. But you know, again,
Speaker 2: I think that this lawsuit is really interesting because it's
Speaker 2: kind of like she said, she said, right, like the
Speaker 2: when the girls came out and they were alleging all
Speaker 2: of these things, we hadn't heard from Lizzo. So they
Speaker 2: were giving their side of the story.
Speaker 1: And it's thing had been busy on doing interviews. I
Speaker 1: was just watching them, like do an interview on like
Speaker 1: CBS or NBC or one of them. They are actually
Speaker 1: speaking out.
Speaker 2: Now, definitely, And then there's a big conversation about the
Speaker 2: weight shaming, which I actually had to look up weight shaming,
Speaker 2: and I didn't understand. But when we come back, I'm
Speaker 2: going to break down for you what the girls are
Speaker 2: alleging that Lizzo would say to them, or one girl
Speaker 2: in particular, and we'll do that after the break. So
Speaker 2: when these accusations started coming out and one of the
Speaker 2: young ladies was saying that she was weight shamed, I
Speaker 2: didn't understand what that meant, you know, because I've heard
Speaker 2: of fat shaming, I've heard of body shaming. I've heard
Speaker 2: of all these different things, and so I I googled.
Speaker 2: I was just like, what is weight shaming? And I
Speaker 2: think that it is. There really isn't an explanation for it.
Speaker 2: Do you understand what weight shaming is?
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's a fact. My mom did it my
Speaker 1: whole life growing up, eat a salad. Weight shaming was
Speaker 1: a part of my upbringing. I've lived it. It can
Speaker 1: be very traumatizing, have long term, you know, negative effects
Speaker 1: on any woman or even boys. People wait shame little
Speaker 1: boys too all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, so then I guess it's more weight
Speaker 2: shaming because a lot of people online and you know,
Speaker 2: the comment section is crazy right now. Everybody has an opinion,
Speaker 2: everybody wants to say what they want to say about this.
Speaker 2: But you know, I guess my assumption is that it's
Speaker 2: it's the equivalent of body shaming and fat shaming, and
Speaker 2: it's it's not even necessarily about a specific number. It's
Speaker 2: pointing out that somebody has gained some weight. And so
Speaker 2: one of the girls said that she was being weight
Speaker 2: shamed by Lizzo and her choreographer and said that Lizzo
Speaker 2: came up to her, I guess at one of the
Speaker 2: rehearsals and was just like, what's going on with you?
Speaker 2: You know, like, what's why are you not as bubbly?
Speaker 2: Why you? And she she basically put them under like
Speaker 2: a thin veil of concern, But Lizzo had called attention
Speaker 2: to it and was kind of calling her out about it.
Speaker 2: So that's that one, to me, is just kind of
Speaker 2: a little bit I again, we don't know, we weren't there.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a what she said versus what
Speaker 2: Lizzo said. And I think that there were people who
Speaker 2: were present that can maybe speak to that, but also
Speaker 2: there are a number of other people that are coming
Speaker 2: out now talking just about Lizzo's attitude and what it's
Speaker 2: like to work with her.
Speaker 1: And that I think that's where I was blindsided. I
Speaker 1: think more I always, you know, had Lizzo on this
Speaker 1: pedestal because of what she had done for body positivity.
Speaker 1: I watched the reality show The Watch Out for the
Speaker 1: Big Girls where she actually hired two of these dancers
Speaker 1: from they had auditioned and they won like a spot
Speaker 1: to go on tour with Lizzo, and everything seemed fine.
Speaker 1: Like Arianna Davis, She's one of the girls that competed
Speaker 1: on the show, And I would have never expected any
Speaker 1: of this to come out like I am mind blown
Speaker 1: because I really thought Lizzo was different than what these
Speaker 1: people are alleging.
Speaker 2: I think everybody did. Yeah, And I never got to
Speaker 2: watch the show, so I can't speak on on.
Speaker 1: She was so amazing on the show currently. She was
Speaker 1: so loving, she was so encouraging. She would cry if
Speaker 1: she had to eliminate someone, like it would hurt her
Speaker 1: heart to send someone home.
Speaker 2: And are these were these auditions for girls to go
Speaker 2: out on her tour with her. Is that what it was?
Speaker 1: That's what it was that everyone was. They were auditioning
Speaker 1: for a spot to go on tour with Lizzo, and
Speaker 1: one of the girls that won is one of the
Speaker 1: girls I believe that's part of this lawsuit, which is
Speaker 1: Arianna Davis.
Speaker 2: Wow. Well, yeah, they're saying that there were personal details
Speaker 2: about their lives, like one of them was a virgin,
Speaker 2: and they would talk about that extensively, and you know,
Speaker 2: she was very embarrassed. She didn't think that everybody needed
Speaker 2: to know that personal information. And so there's like a
Speaker 2: whole lot going on. But Lizzo did respond, okay, And
Speaker 2: now you guys are listening to this. So this is
Speaker 2: all happening like within the past week, and Lizzo said, quote,
Speaker 2: these last few days have been got rigingly difficult and
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly disappointing. Usually I choose not to respond to false allegations,
Speaker 2: but these are as unbelievable as they sound, and two
Speaker 2: outrageous to not be addressed. These sensationalized stories are coming
Speaker 2: from former employees who have already publicly admitted that they
Speaker 2: were told their behavior on tour was inappropriate and unprofessional,
Speaker 2: and then she said, with passion comes hard work and
Speaker 2: high standards. Sometimes I have to make card decision, but
Speaker 2: it's never my intention to make anyone feel uncomfortable or
Speaker 2: like they aren't valued as an important part of my team.
Speaker 2: I know what it feels like to be body shamed
Speaker 2: on a daily basis, and would never criticize or terminate
Speaker 2: an employee because of their weight. So she's speaking out
Speaker 2: on her own behalf and saying, like, hey, whatever, these
Speaker 2: girls are saying, Number one, they were fired, and they
Speaker 2: know why they were fired. I guess she's alleging that
Speaker 2: they had inappropriate behavior. And then you know she's basically
Speaker 2: saying these are false allegations and I would never address them,
Speaker 2: but I need to because this is like my name.
Speaker 2: She said. I'm hurt, but I will not let the
Speaker 2: good work I've done in the world be overshadowed by this.
Speaker 2: I want to thank everyone who has reached out and
Speaker 2: support to lift me up during this difficult time. I
Speaker 2: cannot imagine what her phone looks like right now.
Speaker 1: Her number must have been changed at this point. You
Speaker 1: can't possibly keep the same number after a story like
Speaker 1: this breaks.
Speaker 2: No, and then this former director Okay, this this documentarian
Speaker 2: that was hired to do a documentary on Lizo, which
Speaker 2: again I didn't watch this documentary, but I heard it
Speaker 2: was incredible, Like that's streaming right now. She shared her
Speaker 2: own experience and said that she traveled a bit with
Speaker 2: Lizzo to be the director of her documentary and that
Speaker 2: she walked off the job within two weeks, and she
Speaker 2: said she was yeah, did you see she said she
Speaker 2: was treated disrespectfully, and then she went on to say
Speaker 2: that she saw how arrogant, self centered and unkind Lizzo is.
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, Okay, now this is like people
Speaker 2: doubling down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like because this happens, you know, like the whole
Speaker 1: kicking while they're down thing when one allegation comes out,
Speaker 1: people that might have had similar experience in this side. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go public.
Speaker 2: Two.
Speaker 1: This happened to me with Lizo, and everyone wants to
Speaker 1: share their story, and I guess kind of echo the
Speaker 1: same sentiment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then, did you ever get to the bottom
Speaker 2: of the false imprisonment charge? Because I've been trying to
Speaker 2: look for that. I don't understand what's going on there.
Speaker 1: The only thing I can equate with that was Ariana
Speaker 1: Davis and Crystal Williams. They claimed that they were scared
Speaker 1: to speak up for themselves out of fear of losing
Speaker 1: their job. So they pretty much were like there, they
Speaker 1: wanted to be on the tour, but they felt like
Speaker 1: if they spoke up for themselves or defended themselves that
Speaker 1: they would be kicked off the tour. It's like they
Speaker 1: felt trapped in a way.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, because like false imprisonment to me means
Speaker 2: like did she lock them in their hotel room? Like
Speaker 2: did she not allow them to leave? Like what is
Speaker 2: that all about? So I think that we'll be hearing
Speaker 2: more about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need more later. No, I definitely didn't need
Speaker 1: more details on this. But in the c CBS News
Speaker 1: interview that I watched, the two main dancers that are
Speaker 1: filing the lawsuit, they explained why they were fired. Well,
Speaker 1: they there was like some issue about drinking. They said
Speaker 1: Lizzo did not allow them to drink at all, you know,
Speaker 1: drinking on the job. I can kind of understand that that's.
Speaker 2: Not uncommon for people who go on tour and perform.
Speaker 2: There are some tours that are completely clean.
Speaker 1: And that's a fact, and then she confronted them about
Speaker 1: drinking before the shows. You know that people were saying,
Speaker 1: like they just didn't look good on stage, and they
Speaker 1: blamed it on we think you guys are drinking before
Speaker 1: you go on stage. And then they were fired, and
Speaker 1: then they proceeded to file this lawsuit and I guess
Speaker 1: unravel all these other things that they experienced during the tour.
Speaker 2: Wow, I mean, this is just so crazy. So the
Speaker 2: three former backup dancers are now speaking out against her.
Speaker 2: The director who is not a part of the lawsuit. Also,
Speaker 2: I want to make sure that we like cover that
Speaker 2: she was very open about that and said that she
Speaker 2: was just stating her opinion on working with Lizo. So
Speaker 2: we have her coming out and discussing and now how
Speaker 2: did Beyonce get dragged into this mess? My queen is
Speaker 2: out here touring, she is working, and now people want
Speaker 2: to say that Beyonce is being messy, which now even
Speaker 2: Beyonce's mother has been dragged into this whole thing. So,
Speaker 2: you guys, this is like Dan Rolo, like, this is
Speaker 2: like a whole web of just like stories and allegations
Speaker 2: and things that are coming out. And so once we
Speaker 2: take this break and when we come back. I'm going
Speaker 2: to give you guys the latest on what Tina Knowles
Speaker 2: had to say because mama has spoken. Well, honey, did
Speaker 2: you get a chance to go and see Beyonce when
Speaker 2: she was in town?
Speaker 1: Nah? I actually fell back. It was Met Life. I
Speaker 1: felt like it was gonna I love Beyonce, but I've
Speaker 1: seen her like probably like eight times, and I said,
Speaker 1: this year, I'm gonna sit my ass down and let
Speaker 1: other people enjoy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well one of my friends, her husband has
Speaker 2: a box like a suite, and she had four tickets
Speaker 2: and she was like, do you guys want to come
Speaker 2: with me? And I was like, oh, hell, yes, I
Speaker 2: want to come with you. You know. So I was
Speaker 2: super excited. I haven't seen Beyonce on tour since on
Speaker 2: the Run. And that was at Met Life as well,
Speaker 2: I think so, or was it a Yankee Stadium? I
Speaker 2: don't remember, but anyway, so we went and there's a
Speaker 2: part of the show and this is why it's important,
Speaker 2: So I wanted to bring this up. There's part of
Speaker 2: the show where Beyonce speaks a bunch of iconic artists' names. Okay,
Speaker 2: so she says like Rosetta Tharp, Santi Gold, Bessie Smith,
Speaker 2: Nina Simone, Betty Davis, Solange, Knowles, ba Do, Lizzo, Kelly
Speaker 2: Roll Okay. So she's been saying that on tour throughout
Speaker 2: the entire tour. So in I think her latest performance,
Speaker 2: she decided to just say Bado Badu Badu. Okay. So
Speaker 2: now there's different reasons why people think that she's saying that.
Speaker 2: But she took Lizzo's name out, and everybody went wild
Speaker 2: with this. They oh, Beyonce doesn't support Lizzo, this and that. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: they're talking about like how everybody's backing away, nobody's supporting Lizzo.
Speaker 2: So Tina Noles, Beyonce's mom, came out and was like,
Speaker 2: y'all need something better to talk about. She was like,
Speaker 2: Beyonce did not skip because of this lawsuit. She also
Speaker 2: didn't say her own sister's name. You really need to stop.
Speaker 2: But a lot of people are saying, like, whoa is
Speaker 2: the entertainment backlash coming? Now?
Speaker 1: You already know they said, they said, Beyonce performed Break
Speaker 1: My Soul and she left off Lizzo's name, and that
Speaker 1: was everywhere. I'm like, is Beyonce really taking a stance
Speaker 1: like I was like, Okay, Beyonce never really stands up
Speaker 1: for too much when it comes to like other celebrities
Speaker 1: and stuff. She's very careful with what she does. So
Speaker 1: I was surprised by this. Thank god. Tina Knowles was like,
Speaker 1: let me tell ya what's.
Speaker 2: Up, right, because then there was the headlines Beyonce's canceled Lizzo. No,
Speaker 2: I don't think she's canceled Lizzo. I think that she
Speaker 2: just decided to do something different in Massachusetts than she
Speaker 2: did in New York and New Jersey. But you know,
Speaker 2: I do think there's something a little bit suspect about that.
Speaker 2: And people were talking about her and ericabaud Dou like
Speaker 2: just sidebar. Erica Badu recently said that, like Beyonce stole
Speaker 2: her styles. So people are saying that, like maybe Beyonce
Speaker 2: was shading Eric Abadu by saying Badu Badu Badu. Whatever. Okay,
Speaker 2: So anyway we digress. We come back to whole lawsuit
Speaker 2: and everything. So I don't know, what, do you think
Speaker 2: you used to be a paralegal, and I know that
Speaker 2: you've been around situations like this before. Do you think
Speaker 2: that these people really have a chance at a lawsuit?
Speaker 1: Well, you know what it is. Once you file these lawsuits,
Speaker 1: there's lawyers, there's people that's like, we're going to get
Speaker 1: you paid, We're gonna get your bread. Like they they're
Speaker 1: swon for like lost wages and things of that sort.
Speaker 1: I guess for getting thrown off the tour because they
Speaker 1: were allegedly drinking, but they were not drinking. So this
Speaker 1: feels more like an employment discrimination lawsuit versus like something deeper,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like, yeah, they were working with little
Speaker 1: they feel like they were wrongfully terminating and their working
Speaker 1: conditions weren't really like what they would have ideally liked
Speaker 1: sexual harassment. But like this is more like an employment
Speaker 1: you know, litigation that they have going on here.
Speaker 2: But now do you think that this is something to
Speaker 2: where like Lizzle will have to go into court and
Speaker 2: like testify against them if they decide to really take
Speaker 2: it there, Like, is this something that that.
Speaker 1: It's civil to look at? Well, yeah, no, it's definitely
Speaker 1: a civil. Also, they have attorneys. I'm pretty sure these
Speaker 1: attorneys are going to take it all the way to
Speaker 1: the top and they'll get paid later on once there's a
Speaker 1: settlement and nothing goes harder for a client, and that
Speaker 1: an attorney that's going to get paid at the end.
Speaker 1: So trust me, Carolina, this is not going to go
Speaker 1: away unless there's some type of like resolution or arbitration
Speaker 1: or mediation behind closed doors. And Lizzle's like, I just
Speaker 1: want this to go. Wait, how much money do you want?
Speaker 1: How much money do you want? Okay, here's the check,
Speaker 1: go away, ladies. It was nice knowing you.
Speaker 2: Oh okay. So then this wouldn't be something that we
Speaker 2: would see like on court TV with people testifying and
Speaker 2: going back and forth. Because remember like the Johnny Depp
Speaker 2: amber Heard trial where we were just like totally fixated
Speaker 2: on the television we could not stop watching.
Speaker 1: It really depends on the dancers and how far they
Speaker 1: want to take it and the lawyers like, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: going to drag this out. We're going to take little
Speaker 1: to Supreme Court. Because with simple cases you do go
Speaker 1: up to the Supreme Court. It's not like it's something minor.
Speaker 1: This is big. This is a big deal. And the
Speaker 1: fact that these girls are banding together and then they're
Speaker 1: also getting people to chime in and the background, it's
Speaker 1: given it more validation and more I guess validity to
Speaker 1: their claim. So Lizo's gonna have to pay up, Liza's
Speaker 1: gonna have to go to court. This is not going
Speaker 1: to go a way easily.
Speaker 2: And there are two sides to it too, because once
Speaker 2: Lizzo released that sement, see I feel like you're damned
Speaker 2: if you do and you're damned if you don't, because
Speaker 2: a lot of people have been commenting like, oh, there
Speaker 2: was no acknowledgment, no accountability from Lizzo in that statement. Well,
Speaker 2: what do you guys think that she's gonna do. Do
Speaker 2: you think she's really gonna come out and be like yep,
Speaker 2: I made them go to this like banana show and
Speaker 2: answerdam with me. You know. I think that she's gonna
Speaker 2: let her lawyer handle that. And let's also look at
Speaker 2: the big picture. Lizzo has enough money now to hire
Speaker 2: one of the best lawyers in Los Angeles. I think
Speaker 2: Marty Singer is gonna represent her. And Marty Singer has
Speaker 2: been connected to some of the like the biggest celebrities
Speaker 2: and their court cases and stuff.
Speaker 1: Like Marty already spoke out and said, we are confident
Speaker 1: that Lizzo will be completely vindicated in this matter. So
Speaker 1: you already know Marty's gonna go hard for Lizzo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he is not to like the cameras. He
Speaker 2: loves to represent celebrities and you know what, that's his wheelhouse,
Speaker 2: you know. But like, on the other hand, I think
Speaker 2: it is important that if you have ever been in
Speaker 2: a situation, just because somebody has more money and they
Speaker 2: have the ability to hire like the best lawyer doesn't
Speaker 2: invalidate you know, maybe what you're feeling or what your
Speaker 2: recollection was, you know. So I think these girls have
Speaker 2: like a crazy battle ahead of them. But I also
Speaker 2: think that so does Lizzo because if more people start
Speaker 2: coming out and talking about their experiences with her, it
Speaker 2: is not a good look.
Speaker 1: And you can't prepare your reputation. It would suck if
Speaker 1: this is something that is not valid and it's not truthful.
Speaker 1: And now a lot of us have you know, now
Speaker 1: a lot of us have a different perspective as to
Speaker 1: who Lizzo is. There are things that you just can't race,
Speaker 1: and these allegations are here forever, we will forever find them,
Speaker 1: and Lizzo's image has been tarnished. I was I was
Speaker 1: online and I was like getting all these Lizzo numb
Speaker 1: and they were like Lizzo lost like one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty thousand followers on Instagram alone after these accusations came out.
Speaker 1: So people are already being turned off by Lizzo despite
Speaker 1: not knowing the truth of the matter fully.
Speaker 2: Wow, And then that definitely hurts her in the pocket
Speaker 2: because you know, you lose one hundred and twenty thousand followers.
Speaker 2: I don't even have one hundred and twenty thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: you know, but it's like those numbers though for her
Speaker 2: that equals advertising dollars, endorsement and branding deals, you know.
Speaker 2: So that's going to hit her in the pocket if
Speaker 2: this negative press or this negative attention continues. Now. I
Speaker 2: thought of a really great point though that somebody brought
Speaker 2: up to me when we were discussing this today. I
Speaker 2: I know, if this were a man and these were
Speaker 2: accusations against like a different artists that were a male,
Speaker 2: this would be blown up like crazy. I think it's
Speaker 2: blown up like but I argued, I think this is
Speaker 2: a giant story, you know what I mean, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't think that it's any us because Lizzo is a woman.
Speaker 2: I think the people are more surprised because it's a woman.
Speaker 1: Also, for me, it was just okay, so they're hanging out.
Speaker 1: Lizo is very open sexually. We all know this. Lizo
Speaker 1: is very comfortable showing her body and twerk and just
Speaker 1: you know, she's very open sexually. So right, I took
Speaker 1: it for like, okay, they went out. You know, Lizo
Speaker 1: was maybe drinking, she was doing a little too much.
Speaker 1: They weren't comfortable with it. So I have to wait
Speaker 1: for this story to unfold because I feel like there's
Speaker 1: layers to this story.
Speaker 2: I know. But you can't do that anymore. I mean
Speaker 2: I feel like again, like I said, like it's twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, you cannot be heading to a strip club
Speaker 2: with your counterparts. Now. It's even frowned upon to even
Speaker 2: go to a bar with somebody who you work.
Speaker 1: With, you know what I mean, Like thought these were
Speaker 1: the homies.
Speaker 2: No, you gotta watch out. That's why they say you
Speaker 2: may think they're your homie, but they may be a phony,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, it's true because you have to
Speaker 2: be so guarded, but it's actually when you're in a
Speaker 2: position of power. You know, we have to take these
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, you guys, we have to take these
Speaker 2: courses every year online and it's like our company makes
Speaker 2: us take this like thing where you have to learn
Speaker 2: about sexual harassment and all of these things, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's like they do it because then they say
Speaker 2: like we prepared you or we let you know what's
Speaker 2: to be expected, and they always have these like fake
Speaker 2: people acting out these scenarios. I would love to see
Speaker 2: them try to like fake act out the Lizzo scenario, like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go We're gonna see a woman with a
Speaker 2: banana in her vatina, Like what do you guys think
Speaker 2: a B or C? Is this appropriate? Is it inappropriate?
Speaker 2: Or do you just go with the flow? You know?
Speaker 1: And different artists are totally different when it comes to
Speaker 1: who they interact with on tour, Like I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people that work in the touring industry, Like
Speaker 1: one of my close friends, she's on tour with fifty
Speaker 1: cent right now, and she was on tour with Naked,
Speaker 1: with Ariana Grande, with Pitople, and every experience is totally
Speaker 1: different for her. Some artists come out, some artists just
Speaker 1: go straight to their room. I feel like this is
Speaker 1: a case where you know, Lizzo did too much and
Speaker 1: was too involved with the dancers hanging out drinking, going outside,
Speaker 1: and she gonna let her guard down. She I guess
Speaker 1: maybe she just didn't act like a boss. Let's say, like,
Speaker 1: I know someone who was on tour with Bad Bunny.
Speaker 1: He was amazing. He chartered everyone, didn't even take buses.
Speaker 1: He brought them everyone on planes, and they said he
Speaker 1: would be most amazing. But he wasn't always present. Like
Speaker 1: he would set up like bowling parties for them. Everybody
Speaker 1: would go bowling, he wouldn't be there. He would buy
Speaker 1: everyone sneakers and he would send them, he wouldn't be there.
Speaker 1: Maybe what happened to lizz was she just got too
Speaker 1: caught up and started hanging out with these dancers like
Speaker 1: they were her friends. And here we are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh. No, definitely. So it's like word
Speaker 2: to the why separate your business and your pleasure and
Speaker 2: your fun and your friends, because like this is not it.
Speaker 2: And I'm just curious to see how Lizzo's gonna deal
Speaker 2: with that. But I do think it's going to give
Speaker 2: us more of an inside look into how these tours operate.
Speaker 2: You know, And we were mentioning before I know that
Speaker 2: when Britney Spears was on tour, all of her dancers
Speaker 2: were tested, they were required even on their off days
Speaker 2: to be clean. They wanted nothing, so you had to
Speaker 2: make that commitment. If you want to dance for Brittany,
Speaker 2: you cannot consume alcohol, drugs or you'll be kicked off.
Speaker 2: You know, So we need to see in all fairness, like,
Speaker 2: were there these rules implemented on Lozo tour? You know,
Speaker 2: did the dancers really know what their limitations were before?
Speaker 2: Because it could come back to bite them in the ass.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't know at this point. Is it
Speaker 1: sensationalized or is it one hundred percent true? And we
Speaker 1: just never knew Lizzle because I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of the times, Carolina, we tend to put celebrities and
Speaker 1: pedestals in Lizzle. I feel like this is one of them.
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody's like, oh my gosh, she's so
Speaker 1: body positive, she's amazing, she's so good, she's doing so much.
Speaker 1: She's representative of so many different you know groups, you know,
Speaker 1: people of color, women of color, plus sized people, like
Speaker 1: she was just a queen to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I myself always supported her, always admired her, and definitely
Speaker 1: totally blindsided. But it teaches me a lesson. You don't
Speaker 1: know these celebrities girls, sit your ass down. Stop guessing.
Speaker 2: No, But also I do have to say, like, we
Speaker 2: are a country of innocent until proven guilty, and I
Speaker 2: think that we have to be fair, you know, we
Speaker 2: have to I think cancel culture. Everybody's so quick now
Speaker 2: to cancel. And it's like, could it have been a
Speaker 2: toxic work environment? Yes? Should we give Lizzo the freedom
Speaker 2: and the ability to defend herself like in a court,
Speaker 2: Like she doesn't have to release a statement for the public,
Speaker 2: like a lot of people would want her to, but
Speaker 2: she doesn't have to, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 2: it's like, you are innocent until proven guilty in this country,
Speaker 2: or at least you know, a lot of people say that,
Speaker 2: But like are we practicing that, because I know a
Speaker 2: lot of people have already begun judging in their own lives, and.
Speaker 1: I feel like we haven't practiced that and forever, I
Speaker 1: feel like in this country, it's like the sentiment is
Speaker 1: more you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even a celebrity, even a.
Speaker 1: Celebrities this it's like, okay, you did it. Now proved
Speaker 1: to me that you didn't do it for real.
Speaker 2: And now, like I think that she has season two
Speaker 2: or she has another season of her show that's going
Speaker 2: to be coming out, So this could definitely harm her professionally,
Speaker 2: Like there are a number of things that could you know, backlash,
Speaker 2: be a backlash for her, and you know, I'm curious
Speaker 2: to see how it's going to play out. I know
Speaker 2: that when R Kelly got in trouble. I know that
Speaker 2: when Chris Brown got in trouble, people were writing into
Speaker 2: the radio station saying, take their music off of your station.
Speaker 2: You know, are people going to go that far with this?
Speaker 2: You just never know.
Speaker 1: We don't know. It's like even brands that's also a
Speaker 1: big deal for like artists. It's like brands will disassociate themselves,
Speaker 1: Like she could lose millions behind this. So it's like
Speaker 1: not that I want it to be true, but I
Speaker 1: hope it is truth. If this is already probably going
Speaker 1: to cause dis must damage to not only her reputation
Speaker 1: but her pockets, well.
Speaker 2: We are going to be watching and we will keep
Speaker 2: you posted, guys, because this story is just wow. Like them,
Speaker 2: I said, like the flames just keep getting higher and higher,
Speaker 2: and I was like one day That's what I was like,
Speaker 2: Tina Knowles is involved? What is happening here? You know,
Speaker 2: like not Beyonce's law. That's what you said.
Speaker 1: We got to talk about it, yes, because.
Speaker 2: I said the queen's mother. This was like, Beyonce is
Speaker 2: my queen and her mother Tina like who birthed her?
Speaker 2: When she speaks out, you know you need to listen.
Speaker 2: So I feel like we're gonna hear more about it, Like,
Speaker 2: definitely comment and let us know what are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on this? Did you believe it right when it came out?
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