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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number one sixty

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Speaker 1: and tall the show. We are joined by Brian Call

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Speaker 1: of the Gritty Bowman podcast, and we discussed Brian's lessons

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Speaker 1: learned from applying white tail tactics to blacktail hunting his

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Speaker 1: first white tail bow hunt, and most interesting, the importance

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Speaker 1: of mental toughness when hunting. In a particular conversation around

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Speaker 1: this topic mental toughness, which we get to late in

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Speaker 1: the episode, I think is absolutely killer. Do not miss it.

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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Sitka Gear. And today we've got we've

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Speaker 1: got a fun episode. We've got kind of a widely

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Speaker 1: gonna be joined by Brian Call of the Gritty Bowman.

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Speaker 1: And this conversation happened actually a couple of weeks back

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Speaker 1: while I was in Montana for that Sick Gear Converge

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Speaker 1: event that we talked about, UM, and me and Brian

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Speaker 1: got to talk about a whole slew of different things. Um.

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Speaker 1: Kind of interestingly, Brian listened to the Wired Hunt podcast

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Speaker 1: a lot and was able to take the information he

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Speaker 1: heard us talking about when comes to white tails and

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Speaker 1: apply that to his blacktail hunting in Oregon. So we

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Speaker 1: talked about that. Um, we talked about his first white

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Speaker 1: in a second. So some good stuff. But um, but

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Speaker 1: Dan wasn't there with us, obviously. I was there just

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Speaker 1: for this event. But Dan is with us now to

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Speaker 1: catch up on some stuff, and there's lots lots for

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Speaker 1: us to catch up on. Right then, that's the fact

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Speaker 1: Jack even busy man, well at least a day and

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Speaker 1: a half, I was that's good. That's good. Before we

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Speaker 1: get to that busy stuff, I wanna I wanna share

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Speaker 1: a little bit of an update with our audience about

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Speaker 1: something coming up and a change to something that's coming up.

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Speaker 1: I've talked a couple of times in the podcast about

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Speaker 1: the fact that I'm gonna be speaking at the Quality

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Speaker 1: Deer Management National Convention coming up, right. We've talked about

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Speaker 1: this a little bit. Well, you know, the plan was

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Speaker 1: and I've been running through a couple of different ideas

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Speaker 1: finally I was like, you know what to do this, right?

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Speaker 1: I just have to somehow get my nine fingered co

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Speaker 1: host down to New Orleans somehow. So I had to

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Speaker 1: bribe your wife. I paid thousands and thousands and thousands

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Speaker 1: the house. Right, And you're gonna be joining me on

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Speaker 1: the stage for the live recording of our podcast with

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Speaker 1: a special guest. I'm not going to talk about who

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Speaker 1: a third person with us, and he's someone I've wanted

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Speaker 1: I think is a really interesting um hunter, and we'll

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Speaker 1: pumped about that. Man. How many people are gonna how

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing there might be five people that are interested

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Speaker 1: in hearing us Max. There might be five people, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think it's possible given what these guys had to say.

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Speaker 1: That's that's my hope. So we're to talk about how

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Speaker 1: And I don't know. I just love going to new places,

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Speaker 1: Um and if if nothing else, just you're gonna look

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Speaker 1: And UM, I just I was like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: that that's you and me, buddy, that's you doing what

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Speaker 1: But I was thinking, would be really cool. You know,

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Speaker 1: I like the idea? But what time does my flight

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Speaker 1: alcohol exactly. It might be a good idea anyways, though,

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Speaker 1: pumped to see some big velvet bucks. Awesome, awesome, I uh,

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Speaker 1: don't know, man, other than that, you know, I got

430
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: a buck that I may have some history with. I

431
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: posted some pictures on Facebook and Instagram of him. My

432
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: buddy Ryan seems to think it's a buck that he

433
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: actually hitting the Antler. Uh. Yeah, he seems to think

434
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: it might be him. U Um. I've been really digging

435
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: through pictures to look for a notch on his ear.

436
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: But this year, all the pictures of him, none of

437
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: them are straight on, so you can't see his ear

438
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: if it's got a notch out of it at all.

439
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: But it is a mature buck. I would think that

440
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: that buck was two thousand four fifteen sixteen, So that's

441
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 1: like if that buck was a four or five year old,

442
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: that put him at an eight roughly and eight year

443
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: old this year. So, um, if it is him, maybe,

444
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: If not, it's a descendant of him. Um really really

445
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: kg really big ten pointer. Um. I don't know what

446
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: it will make. He may he may make booner. But

447
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: you know there's still a lot of season left. But

448
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what this mild winner definitely for

449
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: for Iowa. Definitely uh, going into this year. I'm seeing

450
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: healthier bodied bucks and I'm seeing bigger antler development. That's awesome. Husband.

451
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: How's the rank situation been down by your property? Because

452
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: I was just talking with with Mark Drury down in

453
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: the south part of the state and he's been really

454
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: worried about drought where his properties are. Are you seeing

455
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: that too? Yep? Until uh it went June second was

456
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: the last time we got rain down on the main farm.

457
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: I spoke with the land owner this year. But then

458
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: I texted another guy in the area yesterday and they

459
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: got two inches of rain. So my farm got two

460
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: inches of rain. I mean the crops were looking pretty

461
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: bad that the beans were real short. Typically this year

462
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: there at least you know, halfway up the leg or

463
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, just a little bit below the knee. Uh,

464
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: And the corn leaves were starting to roll in on

465
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: each other and that's typical of no water and hot weather.

466
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: But we got two inches and hopefully some of that

467
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: absorbed into the ground and got the crops where they

468
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: needed to, got the you know, because when you get

469
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: this drought, then you start worrying about h D exactly. Yeah,

470
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: So I'm just thankful that that that we did get

471
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: the rain that we uh that we got. Well, that's good, dude.

472
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: Well hopefully hopefully no disease issues over by you. And

473
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear you got some good ones on camera.

474
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: And and next week when we do a podcast, um,

475
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: I should have I should have some updates for you

476
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: on some trail camera stuff. And we don't have time

477
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: to talk about now, but next time we'll talk about

478
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: I've been doing some public land scouting and found some

479
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: interesting stuff there and uh continue to work on my

480
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: private properties here in Michigan. So man, that the pieces

481
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: are coming together. Yep, it's that snowball and it's just

482
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna start, you know, the train, the locomotion. The locomotive

483
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: is starting to gain its momentum right and here pretty

484
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: soon it's just gonna be hold on, it's a wild

485
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: timing you're coming up, and I'm pumped. I'll see in

486
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: New Orleans. I will see in New Orleans. I can't wait, buddy.

487
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of fun, and I hope

488
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: I'll see a lot of you guys in New Orleans

489
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: as well. Now, before we move on to our conversation

490
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: with Brian, we do need to pause briefly for our

491
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: Sickest story of the day, and producer Spencer Newarth has

492
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: got that queue up for us. Next. For this week's

493
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: Sitka story, we're joined by Dan Ness, a Sitka ambassador

494
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: an Elk guide who tells us about his role in

495
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: the harvest of a monster public land bowl. So Elk

496
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: Cunning in southwest Colorado was guiding my two hundreds from

497
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: Texas that have been gotten for a few years. Glass

498
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: and a big, huge meadow and right at last about

499
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: last light, uh saw an Elk appear at the way

500
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: far end of the meadow, about six seven hundred yards away.

501
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: Pick up my glasses and sure enough it's a really

502
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: nice bull. So I say, a big bull, big bowl.

503
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: We gotta go close the distance, losing light, get to

504
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: about foevy yards and roughly and I look at my hunter.

505
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: Are you confident in the shot? He says, absolutely, So

506
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: get him set up and I say send it. That

507
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: bullet goes and here that bullet hit the elk, and

508
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: and elk takes off and disappears in the brush and

509
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: kind of looking at each other, and you know, we

510
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: think the shot was good, but um, we weren't a

511
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: percent confident on it. So we decided to back up

512
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: for the evening and just let the bull be in

513
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: peace and and come back in the morning. While we

514
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: came back in the morning, and sure enough thunderstorm and

515
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: rolled in complete downpour, so all the blood was washed away,

516
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: and just took our time and work through, work through

517
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: the opinions where we last saw him, and found some

518
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: tracks and and uh kind of saw a beam of

519
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: light shining through the trees, and sure enough, there he was,

520
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: and we ended up finding them and look over on

521
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: my hunter, I'm like, there he is, man, and celebrated

522
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: like crazy and for a public land hunt over the calendar.

523
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: That bull ended up scoring three six and it was

524
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: one of the most incredible hunts in my life. On

525
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: Dan's Colorado elk on he was wearing sit because timberline

526
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: pants and Stratus jacket. If you'd like to create a

527
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528
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529
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: So we are in bos And Montana. It is the

530
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: sick Co Converge event and I'm here with podcast Extraordinary

531
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: Brian Call. Thanks for being here man. Yeah, I'm excited.

532
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: I been a big fan of wired Hunt for a

533
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: long time. Thank you. I appreciate that. It's so cool

534
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: seeing someone who reached out to me a long time

535
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: as a listener of the wire Hunt podcast saying hey,

536
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: you know you've got a decent thing going on, um

537
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: and then go and show me up and do something

538
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: so much better. It's awesome. So it's congrats man. Yeah.

539
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: For those who don't know, I, um, I I heard

540
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:52,239
Speaker 1: you on a podcast, um about um business, starting your

541
00:30:52,240 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: own business, Phil, I think yes, yes, yes, Hunting Freedom

542
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: podcast is that it was like how to start? Uh

543
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: he interviewed, was was that what it's called? Yeah? I

544
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: think that's what he calls it. And it's all about

545
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: getting into the bow hunting industry or this is like

546
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: three years ago one more and so yeah, yeah, I

547
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: heard you on the podcast and you were talking about

548
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: UM starting word to hunt, UM, you know you're You're.

549
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: It was what I loved about it was it was

550
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: on all you. There was no UM. You weren't partnered

551
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: up with some company, they weren't paying you to do

552
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: a show. It was you ran and you made all

553
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: the decisions all on your own, and you built it

554
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: all the way up from scratch, and it was very

555
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: much digital based. And so I heard you on the

556
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: show talking about it and stuff, and then he said, yeah,

557
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: anybody who wants to just reach out, And you know,

558
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: I asked me a question. So I sent you an email.

559
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: And I had started down this path of of I

560
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: had bought a computer, figured out how to do a

561
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: bunch of editing on the computer, shoot some video. I

562
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: was kind of self teaching myself for like six or

563
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: seven months. And I had got a film ready and

564
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna put it in full draw film tour,

565
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: and I just kind of was playing around stuff on

566
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: my own. But I was thinking about starting a podcast

567
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: for the Western Side of Hunting and and and so

568
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: I reached out and you got back to me. But

569
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: it was like four months after I said the email.

570
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: If it makes you feel any better, that's kind of

571
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: the norm for everybody. I'm so horrible and I'm worse

572
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: than you because there are people who have emailed me. Um,

573
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: there's just too many. I take it back to It

574
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: was very cool when I did get a message, you know,

575
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: um back from you, and we went back and forth

576
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: a few times. But uh, I couldn't wait. I couldn't

577
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: wait for you. I had to go on without you.

578
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you did. So for those who aren't familiar,

579
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: tell them, tell us what you ended up doing. Yeah. Yeah,

580
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: So I started the Gritty Bowman podcast Gritty Bowman brand

581
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: um UM. I I graduated from b y U with

582
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: a degree in accounting and information systems, and I went

583
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: into business and I was I was kind of doing

584
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: I T consulting and and UH governance compliance work UM

585
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: as a consultant, and then I went into work for

586
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: Standard Insurance Company for eight or nine years. And in

587
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: the midst of that, I I've always been, you know,

588
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: into entrepreneur stuff. I had a construction company and did

589
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff on the side. I did a

590
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: lot of things that I failed at and uh and

591
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: then um one I decided I was going to start

592
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: making personal hunting films just stuff for me and buddies,

593
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: and I started to learn how to edit and film,

594
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: and one thing led to another. I really wanted to

595
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: make something my thought would be cool out of a hunt.

596
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: We had whatever the hunt is. Each year we'd filmed

597
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: some stuff and we just put it out there and

598
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: share it um and there was no goal to like

599
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: start a business or to do anything with it. And

600
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: then over time I started having friends come up to me,

601
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: how do you set up your bow and how do

602
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: you hunt? And what do you do? And I found

603
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: myself explaining things to people, what do you I'm big

604
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: in a diet and fitness, and so I was explaining

605
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: that in there, and I thought, you know, I should

606
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: just do a podcast. Even if only friends of mine

607
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: and family and other people nerd out on it, that's cool.

608
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: And so I kind of just did it as a

609
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: hobby and for fun, and I did the filmmaking and

610
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: the podcast. I ran into Aaron Snyder, who works for

611
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: Kafaro International, part owner there, and UH followed Aaron for

612
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: years doing backpack hunting. I'd always reads gear reviews and

613
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: I go buy all the crap he said to go

614
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: by and then i'd go hunt and um so I

615
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: met Aaron one day and at the Sportsman Show in Oregon,

616
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, you want to do podcast He's like,

617
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: do you do podcasts? I'm like, well, I will tomorrow.

618
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: And did you want to do it? He's like yeah,

619
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: So he was my first guest. We sat down and

620
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: we just kind of, yeah, it's very interesting. We sat

621
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: down and we just chatted it up and I learned

622
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: a lot of things. I had so many questions for

623
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: the guy that Florida shelter boots and you know, backpacks,

624
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: how do you adjust it, how do you load it?

625
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: You know and stuff that. And I had been doing

626
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: fairly well on my own backpack hunting. We had gone

627
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: into Ego caps a couple of times and gone on

628
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: some pretty deep and remote hikes and hunts. But uh,

629
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: this is a guy who spent his life doing it,

630
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, and this is me doing it when I

631
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: get vacation time. And I geeked out on it. But

632
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: I was nowhere near Snyder's level, and so it just

633
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: took off. Conversation was great. I published it and and

634
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: then I got all these emails asking for another one,

635
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: and so I didn't more and after about a month,

636
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: Aaron Snyder called me up and said, hey, how did

637
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: that podcast go? And I said it, it's like it

638
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: was really good. That episode did well, and he's like,

639
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: do you want to do another one? And I said, yeah,

640
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: if you if you'll do another one. And so we

641
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: did another one and the same thing happened. More people

642
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: liked it, and we did another one, another one, and

643
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: pretty soon we just started doing one every week, and uh,

644
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: it went from I don't know, I just went from

645
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: a few people following and just exponentially good snowball. Yeah.

646
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: So that sort of surprised me at first, and I

647
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: had to make a decision do I keep putting content

648
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: out and keep doing this or because it's starting to

649
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: cutting my day job, Like I already had a good

650
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: job that paid me well, So what do you do?

651
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: And it got to a point where I had enough

652
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: partners and companies who who liked what we were doing

653
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: when that came to us and said, hey, what's it

654
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: gonna take so you can do this full time? Um,

655
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: And we talked about it and it was a took

656
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: us me a while, and I was fascinated by your

657
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: story on how you made the jump and went all

658
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: in with wired hunt and the process, and I followed

659
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: that closely, and I kind of took other people's advice

660
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: who had done the same, and at some point I

661
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: just jumped. You have to take a leap, right. I

662
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: think if you have something you're passionate about and you

663
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: want to do it didn't come without cost. I mean

664
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: I gave up a lot of things to do it,

665
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: but I gained a lot of things and I don't

666
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: regret it, and uh, I'm really excited about where it

667
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: might lead down the road. That's I always get such

668
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: a kick out of seeing people chase that passion and

669
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: be willing to obviously put in the work, but then

670
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: also step out on a limb a little bit because

671
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: it is outside of the norm. It is different than

672
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: the safety and security and there's no thing wrong with

673
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: that type of job, there's nothing wrong with at all.

674
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: But for some people, if you know the deep down

675
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: inside of you, that's not what fulfills you, and it's

676
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: not going to fill you with life and excitement and passion,

677
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: and you know it's something else to then have the

678
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: just the the gal to go for it. Um. I

679
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: really respect and get excited to see that. So it's

680
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: the need to be able to see you take that

681
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: leap and uh do it smashing LYE. Well, I appreciate that.

682
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of support along the way, and

683
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Snyder has been you know, we're we're uh, you know,

684
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: every it hasn't been a partnership without problems, right like

685
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: everybody everything, but uh, you know, Aaron's like a brother now,

686
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: and there's just very few people that I I enjoy

687
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: spending time with as much as Aaron, and I think

688
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: that comes out on the podcast, and uh, and that

689
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: matters to people. That's good. So that's perfect. So real quick,

690
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: if you had to get like the fifteen second speel

691
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: of what Gritty Bowman is for those listening, what are

692
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: they gonna get? What are they gonna learn? What are

693
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: they what should they come to expect if they're not

694
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: already within your world. Um, we are an outdoor like

695
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: a backpacking, backcountry bow hunting podcast primarily, so that's kind

696
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: of it in a nutshell. But we talk I've never

697
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: put rule, like you know, rules around our topics. So

698
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: we've talked about everything. It's really a life podcast to me,

699
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: So we talked about everything from entrepreneurship and business to

700
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: fitness and and and diet and and exercise to hunting. Yeah,

701
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: I thought that was cool. You guys did like a

702
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: business book podcast, Like he reads the same stuff I do.

703
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: We've been Uh, that's been a huge hit. It's been

704
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: some of our highest downloaded episode have been podcasts about

705
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: life books like Extreme Ownership, uh and Ego as the Enemy.

706
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: Those have been yes, and uh so I'm pretty excited

707
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: about I mean, all of it's been great, but I've

708
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: I've received a ton of emails or people like I

709
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: love to hear you talk about hunting. I'd love to

710
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: hear you and Aeron just hang out, but I love

711
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: to hear you talk about life more. And so that's

712
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: been a sort of a thing for me where we

713
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: haven't know a lot of episodes around that. But you

714
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: look at Joe Joe Rogan, he's a good friend and

715
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: he goes out and does shows on whatever he feels like.

716
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's what greaty can do. Like

717
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: it's mine, right, so I can do it on whatever

718
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: you want, you know, So why not? Yeah, Well, can

719
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: I talk about whatever I want that on this what

720
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: I want to talk on this one? Right now is

721
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: about what brought you to listen to wire hunt originally,

722
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: as I understand it, Yes, you told me that you

723
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: start listening to wire to hunt because you're you're blacktail

724
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: hunter out on the far Pacific Northwest, and you were

725
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: finding that the white tail stuff we were talking about

726
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: somehow was relevant to you. So explain that that that

727
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: really intrigued me to hear what we were talking about

728
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: in the mission in Michigan or the south or the

729
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: east could be applicable to a totally different kind of subspecies.

730
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: Right So, um, I grew up kind of in that

731
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: western Oregon airspace just uh in Oregon City south of Portland.

732
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: It's pretty urban area. There's you know, it's all private land,

733
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, five acre lots here and there and and

734
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: so forth. And then it gets a little denser in

735
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: some places, but there's deer run around neighborhood, just like

736
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: white tail back back east right midwest. But the blacktail

737
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: in the city, they're the only difference really is they're

738
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: very nocturnal, like extremely insane me nocturnal. Um, where I

739
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: think white tail are a little more except when they

740
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: get to be it's from what I can understand, like

741
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: when they get to be monsters, A lot of them

742
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: don't come out until after dark. They figured it out, right,

743
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: They the reason why they got to be big and old, right,

744
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: And I figured that out with what Blacktail were the same,

745
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: and I had to decide. Um. I was trying to

746
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: figure out how to hunt them, you know. I And

747
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: and it's interesting because I did a film, UM called

748
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: so I don't remember my own trophy places, thinking what

749
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: it's called. Um and uh, I did a Blacktail film

750
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: and it was on Solo Hunters. Tim Tim put it

751
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: on Solo Hunter that so, uh that episode is up

752
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: there on on a Solo Hunter TV on. You can

753
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: watch it on his channel YouTube or my website. But

754
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: what happened was and and it kind of documents that story.

755
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: But what happened is I would I grew up on

756
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: this acredge in the middle of nowhere in Oregon, and

757
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: we had about forty acres and then the neighbors all

758
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: had acredge, and and uh, I never saw a buck

759
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: the whole time, growing up, like there's like nothing with

760
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: horns like spikes, you know, here and there, and I

761
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: see does and I knew there were deer there, but

762
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: I just never never registered, and my dad would all

763
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: go back east and wed to the east side of

764
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: Oregon and we'd hunt mule deer and elk was just

765
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: like what we did every season. What I didn't realize

766
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: was there were monster deer right in my backyard. And

767
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: so game cameras are invented, right and people are using those,

768
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: and I get a game camera. I remember talking to

769
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: a friend of mine who was went to his house

770
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: one day and we hadn't talked much since high school.

771
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: Go over to his house and I looked, and this

772
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: is years later, right after high school, and I and

773
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: he's got these beautiful blacktail box mounted on his wall.

774
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa that those are just amazing. You know,

775
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: They're kind of small, you know, but they're they're amazing.

776
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: And he's like they're I'm like, well, they're kind of small.

777
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of the deer I see aren't

778
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: that small. And he's like, it's not a mule deer,

779
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: it's a it's a black tail, you know, and uh

780
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: it just I had never never really been on my radar,

781
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: and so at that point I started paying attention and

782
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: their big deer on his wall. I started to realize

783
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: the difference between a black tail called being back to

784
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: blacktail and like a white tail and a mule deer

785
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: and really paying attention and um. Then I wanted to

786
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: hunt him. And we had all that acreage was it

787
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: was ours, so we we hung game cameras up all

788
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: over them uncle aunt and uncle's place, my place, and um.

789
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: And for the for like a year, I didn't see

790
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: any Box nothing. And then right when the rut was

791
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: coming around, all of a sudden, I started seeing Box

792
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: and I remember seeing him for it was like eleven months.

793
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: Like we had put those cameras up like around December,

794
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: and I didn't see any year with antlers. And I

795
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: still haven't figured out the place. Um. And all I

796
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: know is that from like the last week of October

797
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: through Thanksgiving, anything can happen interesting, very I mean, just

798
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: like white tails and that there the bucks. There's some

799
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: that I think live right there, and I think there

800
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: are some that you know, wandering from far away. Um.

801
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: But what I learned from your podcasts, so I started

802
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: trying to I started to correlate that. Man, there's a

803
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: big It seems like the things that you're talking about

804
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: in white Tail Country would apply and new and we

805
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: had done some tree stand hunting in some mountain areas

806
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: and it's it's like, um, it's not like there are

807
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: a black tail around that you can hunt up in

808
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: the mountains. That act a lot more like I would

809
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: think like a Kansas white tail and you walk out

810
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: and you rattle some antlers and stuff, and they're kind

811
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: they come charging in and stuff like that. And so

812
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: I kind of I had done that, and then but

813
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: I knew they were at my house and I was like,

814
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, hear them up in the cascades and the

815
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: mountains and I'm over by mount Hood and I'm trying

816
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: to hunt these black tails versus in my in the

817
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: city more or less. I mean, where there's these big

818
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: bucks ring around. I see him on camera at night.

819
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: So I started listening to your podcast and started taking

820
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: bits and pieces from it, and um, and it was

821
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: really neat to take parts like sent control. It's just

822
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: not something a lot of guys on the West really

823
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: paid attention to, you know, putting on some rubber boots.

824
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean they saw basic stuff for your listeners, But

825
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: for me, it was like revolutionary, right and so and so, UM,

826
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that hunted blacktails, at least where

827
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: I grew up, they walked. They still hunted, that's how

828
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: they did it. And they would walk around on the

829
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: ground and even rattling. They didn't do a lot of it,

830
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: you know. And there are guys who were killing big

831
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: black tails and uh, and I was reading their books

832
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: as well. But I I found that I really enjoyed

833
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: listening to your podcast and taking those tactics back into

834
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: the woods. So where to hang up cameras. I started

835
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: to figure out what staging areas were. We started to

836
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: you started to um kind of open my eyes to

837
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: um dear behavior QDM and and we started putting apple

838
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: trees and different things out on our property. We we

839
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: logged some things and kind of tried to mimic what

840
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: it would be like to have a better property. So

841
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: it's mine, nobody else can come on it. So I

842
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: wanted to make it so so it was my own

843
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: paradise of dear activity. And so I started building my

844
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: land as kind of suit that. And it took about

845
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: six years. And the deer um right now, you know,

846
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: it's been three years. I listened to it three years

847
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: since then, um and and uh, since I really hunted

848
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: that area, and man, there's some good bucks running around

849
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: now that weren't there before. And really, I think what

850
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: it is is we just attract a lot of dos

851
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: to the property, which then brings those bucks in during

852
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: the rut um And I just about hunting over dose

853
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: during the rut That's all I got. So are you

854
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: just setting up near like dough betting areas and that

855
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: kind of thing and waiting from the cruise through or yes,

856
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: you're You're able to identify that kind of stuff similar

857
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: to what we do in the white Tail world, like

858
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: where the doors are betting, And I'm sure you kind

859
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: of know. I kind of know where they're bedded, and

860
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: I know where they go to feed, you know. And uh,

861
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: And I don't think we have the deer densities like

862
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: what you guys have, but and and Blacktail definitely have

863
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: a certain personality and characteristic about him that make them

864
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: I think, different, quite a bit different from all white

865
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: good question. But before we get to that, we're going

866
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: to take a quick break for our weekly white Tail

867
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: Wisdom from our friends at white Tail Properties and my

868
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: good buddy from South Dakota, producer Spencer new Hearth will

869
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: take it from here. This week with white tail Properties.

870
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: We are joined by Tom James, a land specialist out

871
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: of Central Indiana, and Tom is going to be tellious

872
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: about what to look for when your goal is to

873
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: flip a property. Okay, great question. Um First and foremost,

874
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: looking at a good county in your state, or even

875
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: a good part of the county that is known for

876
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: producing better quality deer, and that's typically easily found out

877
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: in the in the state's record book program. So those

878
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: counties are typically more highly sought after by buyers um

879
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: as opposed to you know, maybe counties that are off

880
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: out of that parameter. So number one, a good county,

881
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: maybe even a better part of the county that is

882
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: known for producing better deer. Secondly, I would look for

883
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: property if you can pick up right at market value

884
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: and slightly under market value, obviously as a home run,

885
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: but make sure you do your homework, find out what

886
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: the comps and local local and is selling for. And

887
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: that mixed recreational ground and that would be timber and

888
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: maybe some pasture, some tillable ground mixed in. So number

889
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: two good value at at the current market price. And

890
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: number three look at uh sometimes an often overlooked aspect

891
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: of timber that people don't know a lot about is

892
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: um the quality of the hardwood species that are on

893
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: the property. If you can find eighteen inch and larger

894
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:39,959
Speaker 1: diameter trees in their specifically white oaks, red oaks, walnut, cherry, um,

895
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 1: sugar maple, the white oak market is extremely hot right now,

896
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: and anything above that is gonna that size range is

897
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: gonna return dividends that you could use the applying to

898
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: paying the property back off and also doing some great

899
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: habitat work in the process by opening up the canopy

900
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: and getting some good habitat work going on in there.

901
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more and to see the

902
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: properties that Tom currently has listed for sale, visit white

903
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: Tail properties dot com. Backslash James, that's j A. M. E. S.

904
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: So we are. We're in a very different place that

905
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: we were two seconds ago, Bride, because right a second

906
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: ago you and we were talking it was nice and quiet,

907
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: and we're talking about black tails versus white tails, and

908
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: now it's windy and there's guns being shot behind us.

909
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: What happened, Well, we're at the SIA Converge event here

910
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: in uh Montana, and uh I had to step out

911
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: from the podcast for another obligation and now we're back

912
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: at it. But now we're out on range day. It's

913
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: day two of converge. Yep, we're in Paradise Valley, Sika converge.

914
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: Did I say conversion converge convergion like you had? How

915
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: how nice is it out here? Though? It's beautiful? Yeah,

916
00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: it's very nice. This whole state is incredible, you know,

917
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: no offense. I'm going to throw this out there though.

918
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: Whenever I'm out here, I wonder how come those guys

919
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: on the east don't move out west? Yeah, no, you're

920
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: telling me. You are telling me my wife and from

921
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: there exactly every time we come out here, my wife

922
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: and I have that conversation. Yeah. But you know, there's

923
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: a lot of fun stuff there and it really people. Yeah,

924
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: family and friends. But you know, we keep on getting

925
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: closer and closer. I mean we spend about three months

926
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: around here now. Yeah, so we're getting there. But um,

927
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: but those white tails, yes, they do kind of have

928
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: my heart. The heart, I mean, it sounds kind of

929
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 1: among my family and friends that I left back in Oregon.

930
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: The blacktail hunting is sorely missed, and I kind of

931
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: want the whole maybe increased level of mule deer and

932
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: access to mule deer and a big mule deer, and oh,

933
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: hunting in Colorado is sort of you know, uh be

934
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: a salve on the wound of not hunting blacktails, but

935
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: they're so different. I still missed the blacktail that it

936
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: doesn't make up for it. You know. Have you how's

937
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: that movement? It's been really good. I I um, Colorado

938
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: is kind of the perfect mix of everything for us,

939
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: you know. And because I'm doing Gretty Bowman full time,

940
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to I can kind of live wherever I

941
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: want to live. And in the past, you know, I

942
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: I commuted into a major metropolitan area for years, so

943
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: I kind of need to live near a city that

944
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: was big, and you know it kinda like most people,

945
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: I didn't have the the ability to live in a

946
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: remote area of the United States and the country, you know,

947
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: as as much as I do now. So I chose Evergreen, Colorado.

948
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: And it's it's an awesome place. It's not for everybody,

949
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: because you know, it's a commune. If you're working to

950
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: down or area to commute, it's a it's a good drive, oh,

951
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: probably forty five minutes if if the traffic is good.

952
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 1: Do you still do you feel like you're a little

953
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: outside of the chaos of Denver though? Oh? Yeah, No,

954
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean the mountains it's like this, that's awesome. It's

955
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: like where we're aver right now. That's I'm jealous. Yeah,

956
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: it's it's new for me. The weather is the reason

957
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: I left the Northwest, the rainy. Yeah, I just wanted

958
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: to uh be out in the sun a lot more so,

959
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: I I Yeah, I've heard very good things about that area. Yeah,

960
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: good weather, great access to lots of country and lots

961
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: of backpacking and hiking and errands there and Cafari was there,

962
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: and we do so much together that it's nice to

963
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: have that. Yeah, it's just a great place for us

964
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: to work together and do things. So so we we

965
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: we were just talking about black tails and how you

966
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: were able to pull some white tail info from you know,

967
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: listening to what we were talking about with our white

968
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: tail honey back in the day, and you were applying

969
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: that to blacktails. What just recently this winner you wouldn't

970
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: chased white tails for the first time? Was that the

971
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: first time? It was the first time, So I want

972
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: to hear about that. How did that go? So Okay,

973
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: So I Aaron, Aaron went to Rite. Yes, Aaron and

974
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: I went to Alabama and our friend Brian Brodrick he

975
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: um lives down there in Alabama and he he if

976
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: you look him up on Instagram, he's Lost Arrow Films

977
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: and he's a he's a really really cool dude. And

978
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: he has some access to to land back there, his

979
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: land that um where they it's only you know, only

980
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: a few people get to to come on it each year.

981
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: They manage it. They're careful. They kill a bunch of doughes,

982
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: but they they try not to kill any bucks. So

983
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: it's a managed property. Right, so you're spoiled when you're

984
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: walking in there because it's different than a lot of

985
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: other places. How big is it is a lot of property. Gosh,

986
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's uh, it's large. I mean

987
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: I think it took us in a in a you know,

988
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: in a buggy. It took us like thirty minutes to

989
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: cross the whole thing. And yeah, um and uh so

990
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: they just have a few people that hunted. And so

991
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: we went out there. Well, the interesting thing about it

992
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: was it's February where we went, and so Alabama has

993
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: a February rut hunt. And it's hard for me to

994
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: picture those critters in the rut in February. And then

995
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: everybody else is kind of all the other deer done,

996
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: you know, and this pocket in Alabama is like ramping up.

997
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: There's going nuts. Bizarre. So we showed up there and

998
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: I hunted white tails once years and years ago in

999
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: Idaho and um and uh during the rut in Idaho

1000
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: and and and back then maybe twelve years ago, ten

1001
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: years ago, there wasn't a lot of I mean, it

1002
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: was sort of like white tails were just kind of

1003
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: booming in that area. Um, but anyway, it wasn't like

1004
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: hunting them like how I pictured hunting white tails. I

1005
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: didn't see that many where you tree stand hunting them

1006
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: or like we did. We did both, you know, but

1007
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: we went out. So we go to Alabama and um,

1008
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: the deer there are are. So the thing that stood

1009
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: out to me right was the sheer. Number of deer

1010
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: is crazy, Like there's just there's just so many white

1011
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: tails and they're like rabbits. They just run everywhere. There's

1012
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: just doose fawns, some box and and this is a

1013
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: granted during the rut on a piece of property that's

1014
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: not heavily pressure um and where they select just a

1015
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: few bucks a year off of it. So it was

1016
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: a special place especially for Brian grew up there and

1017
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: realized that that's cool. Yeah, so we went out and

1018
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: we um the deer So white tail are jumpy like

1019
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: true store skittish, jumpy like it's not like blacktail at all. Um.

1020
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: You know. Um we would climb into the tree stand

1021
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: and a blacktail you could almost and and for maybe

1022
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 1: it's just because the hunting pressure is a lot different there.

1023
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: I mean, that's I'm obviously that's part of it. The

1024
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: way the white tail kind of get jumpy, um looking up.

1025
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: They looked up a lot, like they were scanning the trees.

1026
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: You don't you do not get that with with blacktail

1027
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: they almost never look up. You can get a lot

1028
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: of movement, and I guess a lot of maybe just

1029
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: not a lot of people are tree stand hunting. Yes,

1030
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: in the back I would agree with that. And I

1031
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: would just think there's not a lot of people hunting

1032
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: that species in gen general, so there's a lower deer

1033
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: density and then there's fewer hunters. So um for whatever

1034
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: reason that they but one thing I will say is

1035
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: that blacktail do not behave the same I think regardless. So, um,

1036
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: the way a blacktail moves is it it? In general?

1037
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: This is a broad generalization. I mean from my experience. Okay,

1038
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: in an urban center, the black tail will take two

1039
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: or three steps and stop and just stand for a

1040
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: long time, and then it'll eat a little bit and

1041
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: it'll just stand and look and it'll take a few steps,

1042
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: and it seems it's very calm. It's like chill, and

1043
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: it's just kind of it's on high alert. But it's

1044
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: not jumping at all. It's not flinching, it's not ducking

1045
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: its head, it's not jerking his head around like was

1046
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: there what was there some behind me? This doesn't have

1047
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: like a complex, you know what I mean, like like

1048
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: some of the deer I see, Yeah, like a white

1049
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: like these white tails will like crack. It's popping up there,

1050
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: turning out there, looking around, they looking behind, they're jumping.

1051
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: Everybody's got everybody on edge. Once turning left, once turning right,

1052
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: and it's like what did you see? I don't know,

1053
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: what did you see? And and then they're looking up

1054
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: in the tree. And that kind of spastic, intense activity

1055
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: was very different than what you see with black tail.

1056
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: So the black tail will stand there and they'll move

1057
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 1: and then when they hear something, they literally will will

1058
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: just stop and freeze and they'll look in the direction,

1059
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: but they won't they won't move. They'll sit there, and

1060
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: they'll sit there sometimes what seems like eternity, and they'll

1061
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: just be frozen, and they will let a predator or

1062
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: let someone. They will just stand there while something walks

1063
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: by them, um, not never giving away their position, never running.

1064
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: They'll just sit there and be a statue. Um where

1065
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: a white tail, um what I observed, Like I'm in

1066
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: a tree stand and uh, you know, Aaron or somebody

1067
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: would come come walking up through the woods to come

1068
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: and get me towards the end of our afternoon hunt,

1069
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: and that white tail would jerk his head up, see

1070
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: something coming and book it. And a black tail in

1071
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: the same situation in general, would freeze and just just

1072
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: kind of wait for that person to walk by without

1073
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: being seen. And sometimes it will take a few steps.

1074
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: And when they leave, they tend to take they they

1075
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: sneak off. They just kind of sneak off and they

1076
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: hide behind a tree and they they don't run the

1077
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: same way and so um, it's it's a they're very cautious, dear,

1078
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: and they tend to if they if something does come in,

1079
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: they kind of they have all their trails that I

1080
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: don't from what I understand, with a lot of black tails,

1081
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: especially in the small urban centers where I was at,

1082
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: they kind of live and reside in a three hundred

1083
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: yard area for most of the years. Really small range,

1084
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: so very very small. So they don't really have a need,

1085
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: especially old bucks, to go very far. They get up,

1086
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: they eat, they drink a little, and they and it's

1087
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: right there. There's so much abundant growth and food and

1088
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: stuff for these bucks that they don't have to really

1089
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: roam much. And and from some of the studies I've heard,

1090
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: they just they won't go very far at all. Um.

1091
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: Whereas and I'm talking about the Lambit Valley talking about

1092
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: coastal blacktail a little more so than I am talking

1093
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: about maybe northern California or further eastward where they're kind

1094
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: of edge box mixed with mule deer genetics and stuff

1095
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: like that. So, how do black tails, the coastal blacks

1096
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: tells that you were hunting, compare with something like a

1097
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: sick of black tail. So I've found a sick of

1098
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: black tail in Prince of Wales Island a few times

1099
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: and um, a couple of times. And uh, I've been

1100
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: to Prince of Wales bear hunting in the spring and

1101
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: I've seen when I'm not hunting black tails, so I've

1102
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: seen them a bit and studied him some. I would

1103
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: say there's a lot of similarities. Um ah. The the

1104
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: older bucks I think on the Sitka bucks are I

1105
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: don't know. They they're very um ah. They kind of

1106
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,479
Speaker 1: move a lot the same like they're they checked their trail.

1107
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: They move a little slower. But I would say that

1108
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: this Sitka blacktail are less they they'll move out faster

1109
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: from my experience, you know. Um it's kind of hard

1110
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: to say because sit blacktail where I was at the

1111
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: some of them I think have never even seen a

1112
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: human in that sense. They didn't. It's hard to observe

1113
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: their behavior because they they're like, oh, they're very curious,

1114
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: and so they just stare at you and you stare

1115
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: at them and they don't run away. It's it's odd

1116
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: so um because they just don't know what yeah behavior really,

1117
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that I can talk to about sick

1118
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: a blacktail as much, Um, I hear they're very aggressive

1119
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: and during the rut, but so are Columbian black tail.

1120
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people think that you can't

1121
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: rattle them in or that they don't respond like a

1122
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: white tail. And um, I black I've seen some knockdown,

1123
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: drag out brutal blacktail uh fights. And Cameron Haynes has

1124
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: a video, a couple of videos um on on his

1125
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: blacktail film that he made a few years back. Um,

1126
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: he has some footage you got from somebody where two

1127
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: black tails were going at each other. They try to

1128
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: kill each other. You know, I've seen some black tails

1129
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: just go after each other. Um, that's something any species

1130
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: when you see that, that's pretty wild. Faces are in

1131
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: the dirt and they're just trying they're trying to kill

1132
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: each other. So um. The other thing that I noticed

1133
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: with with back to the white tail thing is their

1134
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: their bodies are so at least this is Alabama, right,

1135
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: So um, they're slight like they jump and they move

1136
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: kind of when a white tailed dough, especially when it runs,

1137
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: it's sort of bounces back and forth in the front

1138
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: legs land in a different spot than the back legs.

1139
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's just a very bouncy

1140
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:21,959
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And uh um, black tail does move

1141
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: like mule deer. They move a lot more like a

1142
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: mule deer. White white tailer their own thing. Man. They

1143
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: don't look like anything mule deer or blacktail. So blacktailer stocky,

1144
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, a little shorter, they don't have the biggest

1145
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: set of antlers, but they still have a stout neck

1146
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: and a stout shoulders and they can still be stocky animals.

1147
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: Sick of black tail same thing. They're They're very stocky

1148
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: and boxy looking. They're thick. They just look cool like

1149
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: you see these deer, those dark foreheads. And especially I

1150
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: feel like whenever I see a sick of black tail

1151
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: hunts raining. So those antlers are glistening and kind of

1152
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: orangy brown, and shot a number of black tail box

1153
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: with red antlers right like red because of the trees

1154
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: that they're rubbing on, right, so it kind of taints

1155
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: and colors. They're antlers in a dark dark brown red color.

1156
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: And they have a double throat patch where they got

1157
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: the white to white patches, and then they're coloring. I

1158
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: honestly think and I love mule deer, and I love

1159
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: white tail, and um, it's sort of for me, it's like,

1160
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: a pretty woman is a pretty woman, whether she's black, white, Asian,

1161
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: pretty girl is a pretty girl, fair enough. A beautiful

1162
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: deer is a beautiful deer, regardless of whether it's blacktail,

1163
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: mule deer, or white tail. But for me, I feel

1164
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: like blacktail Colombian blacktail are the prettiest of them all

1165
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: for me. Their ears, the way that they're set, the

1166
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: stockiness of it, the coloring of their coat, the white patches,

1167
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: that black top cap, and it's just all the coloring

1168
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: and and just the ears in proportion to the antlers

1169
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: and stuff. I just I just think they are beautiful animal.

1170
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: If you're getting a Columbian blacktail and you're just mounting

1171
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: the antlers, you missed out because the beauty really to

1172
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: me is in the shoulder mount the shape of the body,

1173
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: the head, the ears, all that kind of stuff. Just

1174
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: it's amazing. So you know, it's a whole lot of

1175
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: differences between these white tails and blacktails and some similarities.

1176
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: But was it fun? Yeah? I mean, was it as

1177
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: fun what? I? Oh, dude, the white tail scene is um,

1178
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: so back to their behavior a black tail. Uh. Generally

1179
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: most of the time, especially in these city centers, they

1180
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: don't come out until until dark. I mean, there's so nocturnal. Honestly,

1181
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: I might get for all the photos I get, I'll

1182
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: hang like eight or nine cameras on my land, and

1183
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: I would have pictures of bucks, the same ones every

1184
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: year that I'd see every year. And then there would

1185
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: be bucks that I saw once it never saw again,

1186
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: which I think is common across the United States, right,

1187
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: But what would happen would be nine out of like

1188
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: for every buck I saw yet into the dark. You know,

1189
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: if I got ten bucks in the dark, i'd see

1190
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:19,839
Speaker 1: one in the daylight. And there were there were bucks

1191
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: that you know, with all my cameras that were up,

1192
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: there were bucks that I would see once every other

1193
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 1: year on a camera during daylight hours. So you're you're saying,

1194
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: You're like, like I would hunt fourteen days in a

1195
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: row on these different spots for a glimpse at one

1196
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: mature buck one and there would be years where I

1197
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: didn't see a single one. A marathon was a very

1198
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: small rewards. You're just you're just out there. It's a

1199
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,520
Speaker 1: we call it. We joke around it's like a unicorn.

1200
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: You're looking for a unicorn. And I remember Scott Hawgan

1201
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: talking about black tails. I mean, Cameron is kind of

1202
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: an anomaly in the sense, well not an anomaly, but

1203
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: there are a lot of guys that hunt in Lane

1204
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: County and kind of more uh. Down in that area

1205
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: Eugene and UM, the deer seemed to move a little

1206
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: better during daytime. There's higher population. Some of the biggest

1207
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: pope and young bucks have been taken in that area. UM.

1208
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: But up where I was at, closer to Portland, Oregon, UM,

1209
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: it was pretty tough to get a deer out during

1210
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: daylight as much as so a lot of guys will

1211
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: jump in their rig and they will drive south and

1212
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: they will hunt south in the in the unit. The

1213
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: in Oregon, the hunt would start a week later or earlier. Rather,

1214
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, a week took took more than a week

1215
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: earlier down south than it does up north where I

1216
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: was at. UM and Uh, it's just a just a

1217
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: different animal, dude. They just don't come out except for

1218
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: at night, and so you're waiting for that one glimpse.

1219
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: So I'm in Alabama and you contrast that and there

1220
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: are bucks like just running the trees back and forth, chasing,

1221
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: does you know, and you're seeing stuff constantly, like there's

1222
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: a buck over run there and one goes running there

1223
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: and it goes under your standing. And at the same time,

1224
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: they're looking up every now and then and she scanning,

1225
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: so you're like vigilant where they're on edge and you're

1226
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: on edge. Yeah, and they're fighting, you know, you'll see

1227
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,799
Speaker 1: it here and fighting and going at it and grunting

1228
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: and they're making very vocal um. In Alabama, it was

1229
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: just like action action action, and you might you when

1230
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: you sit in a blacktail stand, you're kind of you're

1231
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: in general that does happen. That's happened to me. I've

1232
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: had a couple of magic days where I come across

1233
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: Bucks just fighting and going crazy and and uh. But

1234
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: then there are just days where it's dead, um, and

1235
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,759
Speaker 1: it's only for a seven to ten day window of

1236
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: brilliant you know, broad activity, and that's gone and it's

1237
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: all nighttime again. Where in Alabama was like Broderick was

1238
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: telling us, as long as they don't get two spooked,

1239
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, as long as there's not a lot of

1240
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: human pressure in there, um, they just keep cruising around

1241
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: fighting each other and running around and doing their thing,

1242
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: and and the aggressiveness of them and their daytime movement

1243
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: is just night and day compared to what I've experienced

1244
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 1: with blacktail. So that daytime movement, to me, is a

1245
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: game changer because you can't hunt him if if if

1246
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: they're not moving during the daytime, you can't kill them.

1247
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's not legal. And so that's just and

1248
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: I think probably those old old white tails they don't

1249
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: figure that out. They run at night, they move at night,

1250
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: so very very very tight to their bedrooms. Yeah, and

1251
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: so you're you're trying to find a buck that's just

1252
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: maybe and is in a moment of meet weakness and

1253
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: makes that mistake. And there was a buck I was

1254
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: after for like five years, and I called him Lefty,

1255
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: big blacktail buck, and he had this big hook off

1256
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: his off the base of his antler that just came

1257
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: straight out and it was a super cool dear and

1258
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: he just seemed to get bigger and bigger every year.

1259
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:09,799
Speaker 1: And uh and uh i um. I missed him months.

1260
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: It was getting really dark. It was pretty low light,

1261
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: and I was chilled, and I took the shot and

1262
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: shot right over his back. And uh, that was the

1263
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: only time I got a shot at him. There were

1264
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: other times I could have shot at him. And uh,

1265
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: it's and I have you to thank for that, because I, UM,

1266
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: I had had this difficulty trying to kill kill him

1267
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: and I and I had tried everything. So I'm listening

1268
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: to your podcast and I'm trying to figure out the

1269
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: thing was is the way that I would hunt him

1270
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 1: is this is small acreage like eight acres, you know.

1271
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: Now there's other people's property right next to mine, and

1272
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: they liked my land. We had some apple trees and

1273
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and we I would put apples out,

1274
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: um in a couple of spots, so I knew they

1275
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: were feeding here, and I knew they were betting over here.

1276
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: But he would show up. He would follow some dough

1277
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: was during the rut. They would run. They'd come right

1278
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: to where those apples were. It didn't do me any

1279
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: good to sit where the apples were, because the bucks

1280
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't come. They'd linger back, it'd stay back, and so

1281
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: the does would come in and they had to eat,

1282
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: and the buck would just back and be back there.

1283
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: And he would and every now and then I could

1284
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: see a glimpse of where he grunt. Well, he was

1285
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: plenty huntable over there. Um, it just that was somewhere

1286
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: between the betting area and the feeding area right and

1287
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: it was kind of hard to So I started putting

1288
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: cameras up right by the feeding area and then further

1289
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: back and further back, and tried to follow where he

1290
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: was going, where he was trying to figure out where

1291
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: he was coming from. And it's it turned out to

1292
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: be seemed pretty random. But what I figured out was

1293
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: there was a place where he liked to stage every

1294
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: night or every not every night, but often, and if

1295
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: I got on that tree line, he would be in

1296
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: that during daytime as he would kind of sit there

1297
01:13:58,360 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: and wait and as soon as it got too dark

1298
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 1: from to shoot, you burst out and come out and

1299
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: hang out. But just he would not ever come out.

1300
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: And uh so I ended up moving right up to

1301
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: the edge of that into that staging area and setting

1302
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: up a couple of stands in there, and then I

1303
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: was getting like then I was actually seeing him move

1304
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: in daylight hour where I could shoot him. I just

1305
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: never got a good shot. How much fun though is

1306
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 1: that chess match when you're just And it haunts me

1307
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: today because he's the only He's the one buck I

1308
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: really wanted to get all those years, and I never

1309
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: I've never gone. He just disappeared and I never saw

1310
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: him again. Um. There was another buck though that I

1311
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 1: did shoot years later, after watching him for like three

1312
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: or four years, four years, and I shot him, and uh,

1313
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: it's weird how you get attached to a certain year.

1314
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,600
Speaker 1: And I was actually after I shot him, I was

1315
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: really bummed in a way because it's like now I

1316
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: don't get the chases over. It's like the woods are

1317
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: a little bit emptier. Huh. For sure. I I experienced

1318
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 1: a sense of loss by that, you know. And it's

1319
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: not like I have. Where I was at, there was

1320
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: a ton of deer, you know. And that's one thing

1321
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: I learned early on is with with those blacktail box. Um,

1322
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: if you shoot like a resident deer that's kind of

1323
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 1: hanging out in that in your five eight acres right uh,

1324
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 1: and he's two years old or something, it's gonna take

1325
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: a while to get another buck to take his place

1326
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: because those other bucks, they don't move that much. So

1327
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: we're not finding this new empty spot you're saying exactly,

1328
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: they don't. They're kind of like, well, this is the

1329
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: spot I grew up, and I like it just fine.

1330
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: Why would I leave? And their personalities are such that

1331
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: they seem to just stay. And so even though you've

1332
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 1: now shot a couple of Bucks and now there's this

1333
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: theoretically there's this space for him to move into for

1334
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: feed and shelter and you know, something like that, they

1335
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: don't seem to take advantage of it unless they're born there.

1336
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: So I didn't see a lot of territorial uh, like

1337
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 1: I didn't. We'd patting cameras up all over our friends

1338
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: properties and Anthony was a big white tail and blacktail killer.

1339
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sure other people had other experiences,

1340
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: but in Oregon City where I was at, it was

1341
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: kind of the common thing. And so certain areas though

1342
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: we're really hot with Bucks and some not UM, and

1343
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: in my particular area just uh, it seemed to for

1344
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: whatever reason, UM didn't have a lot of shelter and

1345
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: stuff for or something for the big box UM. But

1346
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: they would come there during the run. And so I

1347
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: had to work with what I what I owned, and

1348
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 1: what I could hunt, you know, and we I hunted overdose.

1349
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 1: That was my strategy, smart find the dose and then

1350
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: when they come in heat. The game was on. In

1351
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: any moment, he could make a he or a couple

1352
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: other bucks could make a mistake. And you what's cool,

1353
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 1: what keeps you owing is you see them every day,

1354
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 1: like every time you get your game carried out and

1355
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: you check your three or four cameras, They're on there

1356
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: every time. So you're like, well he came in to

1357
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: the stand twenty minutes after I left. You get that

1358
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: little like bump of like excitement, a little more hope

1359
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: you know he's still there. And so, um, I found

1360
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: that that So back to how I hunted, though I

1361
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: would I had a trail that um so my friend

1362
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: Chris pasqual he um, he owns up he runs is

1363
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: it September yet? It's a Facebook page and our group

1364
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: and and uh he's a big time white black tail

1365
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: hunter and he shot at a buck he called Daddy,

1366
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: and uh, it's a big deer. I don't know. It

1367
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: was like a hunt like think or something like blacktail

1368
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:53,799
Speaker 1: monster is huge. And so he was on the podcast

1369
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: and we talked about this a lot, and and it's

1370
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: like it's in a city center where this deer kind

1371
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: of mean, it's a It's it's not like it's in

1372
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 1: the mountains, don't in the big blacktail? Yeah yeah, I

1373
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: mean a hundred calling shot a hundred. And these are

1374
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: bona fide black tails down like right there in the lambit. Like, um, anyway,

1375
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: he shoots this buck and it's a giant. I mean

1376
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: as far as blacktails go, it's a giant. And he

1377
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 1: he did this same thing, Like we would walk in

1378
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 1: and there's a trail that you could hit And I

1379
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: learned this the hard way. You walk in and and

1380
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: you have your tree stand. So I would walk in

1381
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: on that trail and I would put apples down. And

1382
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: the same thing with Chris, he'd put apples down. A

1383
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: lot of guys will use apples. It's perfectly legal in Oregon.

1384
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: And and uh, all we're doing is like on a

1385
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 1: five acre piece. We're just trying to attract some deer

1386
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: into that area. Like I said, I didn't even hunt

1387
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: the apples most of the time because it didn't do

1388
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: me any good. Because when I wanted, I could shoot

1389
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: a young buck, by that's not what I wanted. And

1390
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: the big bucks, I've yet to see a big buck

1391
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 1: eat the apples I put on the ground in like

1392
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 1: eight years. I feel like that's really similar to I mean,

1393
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: Texas is different, but I think a lot of places

1394
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 1: where you bathe, those mature bucks just they don't want

1395
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 1: to come all the way into it. The does do.

1396
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 1: And I think it's because they have fonds defeat and

1397
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 1: they're more desperate, they're hungrier. They they you know, those

1398
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 1: bucks can be selfish. They can breathe and then they

1399
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: can just go lay down, rest and eat all day

1400
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 1: long other sources. So they don't take the risk. But

1401
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,600
Speaker 1: I would. We would walk in about every three or

1402
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: four days, and it's right, it's in my backyard. So

1403
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: I'd walk in, drop some apples, walk out, and just

1404
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: a five gallon bucket of a few apples. And as

1405
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: you do that throughout, you know, July, August, September, October, November,

1406
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's just putting a few out every other week,

1407
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: or as I get closer this season, I'm trying to

1408
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: keep it more stocked. And there's apple orchards all over

1409
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: and so there's a there was a whole ton of

1410
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 1: apples on every piece of property surrounding me, and so

1411
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: you just go fill up trash cans full of apples

1412
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: that just they are already on the ground. If I

1413
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: had access to hunt one of those, like a lot

1414
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 1: of guys do, I just hunt under the apple tree,

1415
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't have the drop dump drop, you know.

1416
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: So anyway, what I found was as long as I

1417
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 1: stayed on that trail, those bucks and those deer, they

1418
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 1: didn't care. They didn't care that I came in and

1419
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 1: out all the time, and they would come right up

1420
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 1: to the apples and the trail and the big box

1421
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: would stay in the area, got used to it, going

1422
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: back and forth the same place, and they absolutely condition them.

1423
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: And then as soon as I there's a couple of

1424
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: times where like I made a shot on a deer

1425
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 1: or or I explored off trail, and that proved to

1426
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: be devastating because as soon as I went off trail

1427
01:20:56,120 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: and left some scent in the area surrounding, they knew

1428
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: it right away, and they would just start coming in

1429
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: at night, only nocturnal for two or three weeks. So

1430
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 1: just go nocturnal like that, and then then your season

1431
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 1: is blown. So I was paranoid to leave trail ever, right,

1432
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 1: And so you get a couple of places that you

1433
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 1: get them used to, and they're okay with you as

1434
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: long as you're doing the same thing all the time.

1435
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: But as soon as we started going in other areas

1436
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: and went off trail, your season could be shot like posed.

1437
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 1: And so when I listened to your podcast, I was like, well,

1438
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: I need to find a way too, And I learned

1439
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: methods for for you know, rubber boots and how to

1440
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: do scent and how to pressure just to try to

1441
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: keep as much sent in the area out of there

1442
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 1: as possible. And um, but you talked about some staging areas,

1443
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: and so the next year I started walking into some

1444
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: of these areas and setting up tree stands where I

1445
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: thought it would uh, where I get closer and too

1446
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 1: to intercept a year on its way through a spot

1447
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: on the way to where the apples were. There were

1448
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: no apples there, but I would put a camera there,

1449
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 1: and uh, and I started to see. I started get

1450
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: into bucks in daylight and it had been like seven

1451
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: years where I had hunted and and just I hadn't

1452
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,600
Speaker 1: been doing it right, you know. And uh, still it

1453
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: was really tough, and I never got a really good

1454
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 1: daytime opportunity was always still low light. But um, I

1455
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: actually got a lot of really great you know, three

1456
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 1: or four point bucks that are that are three years old?

1457
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: You know, four years old. I never really all that

1458
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: time hunting black tails. I never really on my own land.

1459
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: I never really got a poke at it at the

1460
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: bucks I wanted that I knew were there. But the

1461
01:22:55,479 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: real big boys part of it was, you know dilemma, right,

1462
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 1: You go in and you sit your stand two days,

1463
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: three days, four days, five days in a row. Now,

1464
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 1: if your camera is telling you that a mature blacktail

1465
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 1: box will walk by your tree stand during daylight hours

1466
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 1: once and every ten days, then you got a one

1467
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 1: out of ten days chance, right. But I guess s

1468
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,600
Speaker 1: where you're going with this, Yeah, so you got a

1469
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,440
Speaker 1: ten percent chance every time you're in that standard today

1470
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 1: might be those one of those ten days. So in theory,

1471
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 1: if you sat in that stand every day for ten days,

1472
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 1: you get your chance, right, But you're stinking up that

1473
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: joints every time you do it. So you're in this

1474
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: conundrum where you're like, do I go in there and

1475
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: and just sit it every every day for ten days,

1476
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: twelve days, fifteen days in a row in the same spot,

1477
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 1: or do you just gamble and go in once every

1478
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: five days and just hope you're there? Could be five

1479
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 1: years before you have the time in the stand where

1480
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: you do that's trick. And I feel like on the

1481
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: white tail side the way like I've always tried to,

1482
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 1: there's no perfect dance with that. It's okay. I think

1483
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: of where I have that best chance. So if you

1484
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:08,719
Speaker 1: think there's the ten percent best chance in this stand

1485
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 1: and then it's you wait for some set of conditions,

1486
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: it's going to give you an increase in that, and

1487
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: you don't go in until you have the best set.

1488
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: So on the one day when you're actually gonna have

1489
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 1: a sixteen percent chance because the cold front hit, then

1490
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: that's your day going there. Or just like I said,

1491
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 1: every day you go in there, it goes from ten

1492
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 1: to nine to eight, seven to six. So I'm like,

1493
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: I'd rather do three hunts and get sixteen versus. And

1494
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 1: that's tough though, And that's tough, and that's what I

1495
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: started doing later on because I cared more about getting

1496
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: a big buck. You know. It's just the challenge of

1497
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 1: the unicorn that we call it. You know, I'm trying

1498
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: to find that unicorn in the woods. But it's it's

1499
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 1: it's a tough decision to make. But I thought, what

1500
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:58,919
Speaker 1: I what I felt like if I could, if if

1501
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: I could go in there and keep my eyes on cameras,

1502
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: I started to get a feel for those in heat

1503
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: right and there. It's hard to tell if you're looking

1504
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 1: at the same dough right because they all kind of

1505
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 1: look the same, but you start started to get a

1506
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: feel for how many doughs were out there, and does

1507
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:18,560
Speaker 1: and fawn mixtures, like this dough has one fawn, this

1508
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: doll has three, this dough has two, and they were

1509
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: they and so I kind of like, okay, there's there's

1510
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 1: like three fawns. There're three doughs with fawns. I started

1511
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: to pick out and yeah, and then I was like, okay,

1512
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 1: so there's not a lot out there. You know, you're

1513
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: talking three doughs and their babies and and then a

1514
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 1: couple of big bucks and some young bucks. So the

1515
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 1: young bucks are stupid. I mean anybody, I mean, I

1516
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 1: mean not to discourage anyone who shoots a three year

1517
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 1: old black tail, because it's still a challenge, but there's

1518
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 1: there's no comparison and how how easy it is to

1519
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 1: kill a three year old black tail versus a six

1520
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 1: year old black there's not even in the same planet universe,

1521
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 1: you know. But when I would go out there, I

1522
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: I started to feel out the dos and then I

1523
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: could see him squatting a pea and running around and

1524
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 1: doing odd rutting behavior. Started to pick that out on

1525
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 1: the camera, and I had a number of cameras up

1526
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: so I could walk in check the cameras, and I

1527
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,799
Speaker 1: started to go, well, if I don't see any rutting

1528
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: activity on the camera whatsoever, then I'm not going to

1529
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: hunt the stand because it didn't really pay off. And

1530
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 1: that's where I started to be able to spend less

1531
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 1: time because you sit there eight hours. It's bad enough

1532
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: you gotta walk in, check your camera and walk out,

1533
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: but still you're not sitting there just sort of letting

1534
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 1: scent dissipate hour after hour after hour. And I found

1535
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 1: that that worked best. And so what I would do

1536
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 1: is it was funny. I would go in like every

1537
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,719
Speaker 1: other day and check the camera and I'd come out

1538
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 1: my dad and I would sit down on the living

1539
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 1: room table and I go through the camera and he's

1540
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 1: just like, you know how it is? You're like, is

1541
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: he there is here? What are they doing this? One?

1542
01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden and hes there. It's on

1543
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: it's on, it's on, and then it's like from that

1544
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 1: day on, I'd sit three or four days in a

1545
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: row and and surely there would be action almost every

1546
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 1: time conditions. I just feel like I was so close

1547
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: to making it happen on so many but so keeps

1548
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: straw back. But let me ask you this, Like you

1549
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 1: could have spent time chasing a different deer, Like I

1550
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: know of other box that are easier to target on

1551
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: other property, And I could have spent my time invested

1552
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 1: in something where the bucks was even bigger. Like when

1553
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 1: I talk about Lefty being big, he's he's big, but

1554
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: he's not like he's not like a lot of black tails,

1555
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred thirty blacktail, and I'm like, oh

1556
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 1: my god, the biggest blacktail I'd ever seen on this property.

1557
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: Or I lived and I grew up. But for me

1558
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 1: and I did that film with timber Net that went

1559
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 1: on Solo hunter um about black tails and trophy places

1560
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: what we call it. That's where I grew up. And

1561
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: there's something sentimental from either there's something of a challenge.

1562
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't about the size of the deer, it was

1563
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,879
Speaker 1: about getting it done in that place that I cherish

1564
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 1: where I have childhood memories I can, so I sit

1565
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 1: there and I'm like, but I have been so much

1566
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 1: better off, you know, going up to the Upper Clackamus

1567
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,719
Speaker 1: or these other areas where we know they're giant box

1568
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 1: and there are a lot easier to kill. And because

1569
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: that's one thing I would say is I would hunt

1570
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: with my buddy Anthony. We would go um up in

1571
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 1: the Cascades and hunt black tails. And the second season

1572
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 1: typically was around November. And I've seen and and those

1573
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: bucks and that and that. The area up there, those

1574
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: deer tend to act a little more like the white

1575
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,799
Speaker 1: tail in Alabama, and so it's not like an urban

1576
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 1: city center kind of place. They're not as cautious, they're

1577
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 1: not used to humans being in there their space, and

1578
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 1: they're running around and they're doing things differently. And so

1579
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,719
Speaker 1: if I hunted deer there, it was a lot different

1580
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: than hunting them at my house. And I we went

1581
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 1: up there four times, four or five times, and every

1582
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 1: time we got a shot, and Anthony shot two nice

1583
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: bucks up there, and we only went to there, like

1584
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you can count it on both hands. So

1585
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: it's like, why don't we go in there all the time, right,

1586
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying that there you have special places,

1587
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 1: especially when the memories are It was the chess match.

1588
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 1: When I went up on the mountains. It was like

1589
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 1: you walk in, you find a trail, there'd be snow

1590
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: a foot of it, maybe you see where the deer headed.

1591
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 1: You climbated a tree stand and it was fun and

1592
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: the deer will be running around. But it wasn't the

1593
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,759
Speaker 1: deer that I had done reconnaissance with for eight months.

1594
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 1: It wasn't the deer that I had like a five

1595
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: year history with. It wasn't. It's almost obsessively ridiculous, like

1596
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 1: why would you? But but yeah, because you're not chasing

1597
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: an animal, and like you're not chasing, there's different things

1598
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 1: you're doing. You're you're in it for the fun of

1599
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: the chase. And there is an interesting thing between hunting

1600
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 1: deer versus hunting a deer and when you have an

1601
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 1: opportunity to hunt a deer and learn a deer and

1602
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 1: all that chest like we talked about, I mean that

1603
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 1: is it just gets in your blood, does And I've

1604
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: got I mean, I'm in a site. That's why I

1605
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 1: liked your podcast to where I listened to it like

1606
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 1: crazy because you're talking about Jawbreaker, You're talking about you know,

1607
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 1: you're I'm following, and I'm relating to you as I'm

1608
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 1: thinking of the dear I've needed and that I'm following,

1609
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it was so relatable to me and

1610
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: the frustrations and the challenges and the goal, you know,

1611
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 1: trying to go after it. And when I looked around

1612
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: and I talked to buddies, they didn't get it because

1613
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: they're hunting like your most Western hunters do. There's not

1614
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 1: a specific deer. We're not, you know, people aren't doing

1615
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 1: it that way. And so it was fun to apply

1616
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: what I learned from your show to the black Tail

1617
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: space into what I what I experienced there and made

1618
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: a whole movie around it. You know. It's so But

1619
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: then at the same time, I mean, there's also something

1620
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: really awesome about going to a brand new place and

1621
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 1: what are we gonna find, how are we gonna make it?

1622
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it work? And do you you've never

1623
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 1: seen before shows up and that is pretty special to

1624
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:29,679
Speaker 1: Aaron says, Uh, he's funny. He talks about white Tail

1625
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 1: like the ones in Alabama. He talks some crap no, No,

1626
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 1: he's like, he's like, look, these deer are like the

1627
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 1: ones that grew up in Chechenia. Like they He's like,

1628
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 1: they're there there. You know, you grow up in a

1629
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: in a combat zone, you act differently, like you're always

1630
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 1: checking over your shoulders. Like Kansas deer, they're like they

1631
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 1: grew up in like suburban white neighborhoods and and they're

1632
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: they're just nice. They're not warriors. Do not like warriors.

1633
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 1: They're not like and so he was talking about a

1634
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: very good analogy. Yeah, and you're you're hitting these kids

1635
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 1: that grew up in the hood that are always like

1636
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:13,679
Speaker 1: on high alert versus a kid that grew up in

1637
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 1: in a a pretty soft situation. He said, Uh, it's

1638
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: very very different hunting an animal like that. And that's

1639
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 1: what we found in some of these areas because we've

1640
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 1: both we've never owned a lot of land or had,

1641
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, really nice places to hunt like like that.

1642
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 1: But Alabama, you could tell those those you're good hunted

1643
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 1: even on this land, like Broderick was talking about, He's like, hey,

1644
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 1: out here on this property, there is not We don't

1645
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:44,640
Speaker 1: put a lot of pressure on them, We try not to,

1646
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 1: but every piece of property around this place. It's hammered. Yeah,

1647
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 1: that'll that will make an impact. I feel that that

1648
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 1: way all the time. Michigan too, and it changes it

1649
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 1: completly changes that Michigan like that. Yeah no, that said,

1650
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: though you still got it done right. Well. I mean,

1651
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 1: I feel like Bratt Broaderick was really cool. He um

1652
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 1: he wanted to shoot. So Aaron Snyder and I have

1653
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: vastly different personalities if people can't tell that the show. Uh,

1654
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:24,679
Speaker 1: and yet we're like super good close friends like everything.

1655
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:29,679
Speaker 1: We compliment each other well and uh, Aaron has no patience,

1656
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, so sitting in a tree stand, for one,

1657
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 1: is something he can do but he does not like.

1658
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: And sitting still in a tree stand is even worse.

1659
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to sit with Aaron a tree stands.

1660
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm like anal retentive. I get in the stand and

1661
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 1: I lean back and I am a statue. I don't

1662
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 1: move a muscle and I sit there and I sit

1663
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 1: like that for hours, and I'm geeking out the whole time.

1664
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's maybe and I don't I

1665
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: don't remember being like that when I was younger, But

1666
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 1: after Chasing Black Hills, I just you never know when

1667
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 1: one's looking at you, you know, or when that big

1668
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,600
Speaker 1: bons coming in. And it seems like every time that

1669
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 1: one time, like a you know, I'm gonna stretch my

1670
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 1: legs then you there. So Aaron is not patient, and

1671
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 1: Aaron also can't not shoot. So Brian's like, Aaron wants

1672
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,400
Speaker 1: to kill animals. He likes to, he likes to take

1673
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 1: the shots. And and he's not all that big, he's not.

1674
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,680
Speaker 1: He's never been a big antler chaser. You know. He

1675
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:37,519
Speaker 1: love to shoot a big animal, but he's not he's

1676
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 1: not in it for that reason. Um. So, long story short,

1677
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 1: he shot those and it was funny because he'd sit

1678
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 1: the stand, does would come in. He'd be getting towards dark,

1679
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 1: and he'd be like, it's almost dark, I'm gonna shoot

1680
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 1: that dough. And it's like forty five minutes still dark

1681
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: when the bucks are gonna come in, and Aaron's like, no, no,

1682
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna shoot the dough. And it shoots the

1683
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 1: dough and of course the whole like field act feel,

1684
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: just disappears and vacates and and and uh so he

1685
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 1: did that twice. Um, and we're only hunting like four days.

1686
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:16,639
Speaker 1: So I'm on the other hand, I have does walking

1687
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:18,719
Speaker 1: all around. I'm just waiting. I don't want to shoot

1688
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 1: that the dough that's in heat that's gonna bring that

1689
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 1: buck in. Yeah, that's my live decoil. And so and uh,

1690
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 1: I haven't had a lot of chances to shoot to

1691
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:33,479
Speaker 1: hunt um areas where they're they have white tails of

1692
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 1: this caliber available, you know, So I was patient. I'm like,

1693
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: I'll I could shoot a dough anytime I want. I'm

1694
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 1: gonna wait until that that buck comes in. And and uh,

1695
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,679
Speaker 1: that's really the only difference. Aaron shot a couple of bucks,

1696
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 1: and and Daron shot a couple of bucks. I mean

1697
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 1: a couple of does, a couple of dos like I

1698
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 1: didn't see. Yeah, he shot a couple of does, and

1699
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 1: I think that that highly impact his uh. And and

1700
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 1: then he never there was never a buck that was

1701
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 1: a shooter that came in lots of lots of other bucks.

1702
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 1: But and for me, it was like the last day

1703
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 1: or second to the last day. Roderick took me into

1704
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 1: a place and we had never used I've never used

1705
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 1: the climber tree stand before. And he had a nice

1706
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 1: alpha hang on climber and it was really cool. It

1707
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 1: was neat. We just kind of like snipers snuck in there,

1708
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, like got into this spot, got up in

1709
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 1: a tree. Yeah, and and the wind was just right

1710
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 1: and it was just breaking daylight. We got up in

1711
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 1: the tree and we were not up in the tree

1712
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 1: twenty minutes and deer were just coming out of woodwork everywhere.

1713
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 1: And uh, and it was neat because he's like buck,

1714
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 1: dear left, buck straight in front, there's a buck behind you,

1715
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 1: you know. And nothing was a shooter. But I'm seeing

1716
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 1: all these deer and I'm like, oh, it's gonna happen.

1717
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. So earlier there was a giant white

1718
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 1: tail the first day I climbed in the stand, and

1719
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 1: you know how they are when they're running. He never stopped,

1720
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 1: like he was within range a couple of times, but

1721
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 1: he just wouldn't. You could grunt and scream, like practically

1722
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:14,920
Speaker 1: yell at the thing. He did not care and he

1723
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 1: was chasing a dough and there was no stopping him.

1724
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,720
Speaker 1: He never spooked or got out of there. He just

1725
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 1: never gave me a shot. And it happened a couple

1726
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:25,719
Speaker 1: of times throughout the morning. And after seeing that, dear

1727
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 1: I didn't want I I you know how it is

1728
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 1: like you see a one eight inch mule deer and

1729
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're ruined for the rest of

1730
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 1: the week because you can't get yoursel there. Yeah, he's

1731
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:40,799
Speaker 1: out there, might be totally And so I kept passing

1732
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:44,600
Speaker 1: on some other stuff. But this buck came in and

1733
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 1: he was nowhere near the same caliber. But he was

1734
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 1: a cool buck that that he was like four years

1735
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 1: old or something, and and um, Brian had seen him

1736
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 1: many times, and he wasn't too big a dear. He

1737
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 1: wasn't he didn't look like he had the genetics that

1738
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 1: he wanted long term. And I think it's just an

1739
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 1: excuse to let me shoot it, because they typically don't

1740
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 1: shoot a deer that that's small, like the rule on

1741
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 1: the aight ridges, kind of like Dirk Durham over there,

1742
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 1: you know, or you know, like anyway, I I decided to.

1743
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 1: I decided to. He said green light, and so buck

1744
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:25,600
Speaker 1: down and I let it rip. And and this is

1745
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 1: the thing that surprised me. I mean didn't surprise me,

1746
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 1: but it just gave me him a new respect for

1747
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:35,639
Speaker 1: for whitetail. Um. I had been told by a lot

1748
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 1: of people including Brian and Aaron that you know, it's

1749
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 1: better to just shoot than it is to grunt or

1750
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: get him to stop. And they kind of look and

1751
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 1: they freeze and they get on edge and then they

1752
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 1: hear the then the arrow goes and I cannot believe

1753
01:38:54,360 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 1: how fast, how lightning fast, they are. Ump. He dropped

1754
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:05,599
Speaker 1: like almost I think a foot roughly, and so he's

1755
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: only I think he's twenty five yards. And I put

1756
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 1: that pin and I and I aimed low, just just

1757
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 1: kind of low, just in case um he dropped, but

1758
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 1: I wasn't low enough and so I'm three inches low

1759
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 1: and he dropped a whole foot and so that arrow

1760
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 1: hit him, actually hit him in the spine, and he

1761
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:30,160
Speaker 1: just hit the dirt, you know, And so I I

1762
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 1: put another arrow in him, and he was done like instantly,

1763
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 1: And it's kind of it's kind of it's it's refreshing

1764
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 1: and not when you see an animal drop right in

1765
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 1: front of you and you don't have to track it.

1766
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 1: It's like a relief, like he's right there, like you

1767
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:47,680
Speaker 1: did it, You're done. It's like it's just at the

1768
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:49,680
Speaker 1: same time, you you hit something in the spine and

1769
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:53,559
Speaker 1: you're just like the whole time you wanted to be

1770
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:55,800
Speaker 1: over as fast as you can. You're like, I don't

1771
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 1: like seeing this animal on the ground like that. Yeah.

1772
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 1: The first time I ever spind a deer, it was

1773
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 1: a dough and it was it was like a really

1774
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 1: painful experience for me too. I felt horrible because the

1775
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 1: spinder she dropped, she was still moving around another shot

1776
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 1: and I was freaking out rushed the second shot and

1777
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 1: that wasn't the shot that was gonna end it immediately either,

1778
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,640
Speaker 1: So then panicking again and grabbed the third arrow. And

1779
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 1: you just feel, I mean, that is the absolute worst

1780
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 1: thing you want to have happened. Yeah, it's and I

1781
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, Aaron spind his as well. Both

1782
01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 1: of them they just dropped. And I have the film,

1783
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: and I had the film of the buckeye shot and

1784
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 1: he's standing there and Brodrick actually grunted. I was at

1785
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 1: full draw. I was kind of kind of let him walk.

1786
01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 1: But the wind was blowing straight straight toward the buck,

1787
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 1: a stiff wind out in front of the buck, i

1788
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 1: should say, And so another ten yards and he was

1789
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 1: going to hit our wind, our wind pattern, you know,

1790
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:57,599
Speaker 1: he'd be down wind of us. And so we knew

1791
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:00,000
Speaker 1: he was coming in close, and Brodrick was like, Okay,

1792
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 1: that's far enough. And I was at full draw and

1793
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:04,559
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping for him to stop, and

1794
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:07,679
Speaker 1: he just decided, well, it's better to stop him there

1795
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:09,519
Speaker 1: and get him on edge than it is for him

1796
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:12,639
Speaker 1: to smell us and just bolt. So he he grunted

1797
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 1: and the bucks stopped, and he looked right at us,

1798
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 1: of course, and I didn't give him much time. I mean,

1799
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 1: I already had the pin pretty much settled and I

1800
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:24,880
Speaker 1: let it rip, and he on the video you market

1801
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 1: where he's standing and where he drops too, and the

1802
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:30,680
Speaker 1: arrow is perfect. It's gonna punch center punch him, and

1803
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 1: he just it just he just drops and I couldn't believe.

1804
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 1: I mean, his legs went down, his elbows were almost

1805
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 1: on the ground. I'm like, man, that is just a fast,

1806
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 1: fast response. I feel it's so often it happens, and

1807
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:51,400
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen, Like muledeer don't do that. You know

1808
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 1: they can, but it's just not common. Mule deer, elk, blacktail.

1809
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:02,719
Speaker 1: It's but those white tail have such a fast, twitch

1810
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 1: like speed about them. That's cool. So what do you

1811
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 1: think do you want to do? It again, would you

1812
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:10,599
Speaker 1: ever go on like a Midwestern white tail hunt? See

1813
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 1: what that's all about? Is that has that intrigued you yet?

1814
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 1: So I talked to Aaron about this before we even

1815
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 1: we're very we we'd only know each other about a

1816
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:20,400
Speaker 1: month or two, and I was telling him how much

1817
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 1: I enjoyed blacktail hunting, and we talked about white tail

1818
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 1: and he was he said, based in the answer is yes.

1819
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:34,760
Speaker 1: I I think that I love the chess match, I

1820
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 1: love sitting in a tree, and I love ambush hunting.

1821
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:42,559
Speaker 1: I love ambush hunting. I like spotting stock as well,

1822
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: and I've done a lot of that. Any any hunters

1823
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:47,680
Speaker 1: has been on the West West Side a lot. You

1824
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 1: just that's what your bread and butter is. But I

1825
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 1: won't deny that finding a spot where you're gonna where

1826
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:56,679
Speaker 1: you predict animals will will come, and sitting and wait

1827
01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 1: for me, that is fun. That is fun. Whether that's

1828
01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, a thicket of bushes, you know, a ground

1829
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 1: blind when you made yourself or when you popped up,

1830
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,760
Speaker 1: or a tree stand, it doesn't matter for me. It's

1831
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:15,920
Speaker 1: the sitting and the waiting and knowing that that you're

1832
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 1: And I learned this from still hunting, like I've still

1833
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 1: hunting blacktails a lot. Still hunting for black tails is

1834
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:27,599
Speaker 1: almost the guys that are really good at it, they

1835
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 1: walk a foot or two and they stand still for

1836
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:31,680
Speaker 1: five minutes. And they walk a foot or two and

1837
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:34,719
Speaker 1: they stand still for five minutes, I mean two minutes.

1838
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:38,400
Speaker 1: Three minute a long time, and it might take them

1839
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 1: an hour to get yards. And I've learned from from

1840
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 1: hunting blacktails that I used to think I was quiet

1841
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 1: when I would sneak into the woods. So when I

1842
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 1: started walking into my stand hunt, I would do that

1843
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 1: where I would walk in and you climb up in

1844
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 1: your tree stand. And tried to explain this to guys

1845
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:03,559
Speaker 1: who haven't done a lot of trees stand hunting. Climb

1846
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 1: up in your stand and you sit there and you're like, man,

1847
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:10,679
Speaker 1: I was so sneaky. I got in here so quietly.

1848
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 1: You're in their stand, and all of a sudden you

1849
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:16,599
Speaker 1: hear like this bird starts to chirp, and then another bird,

1850
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:19,519
Speaker 1: and then you see like a a squirrel pop out,

1851
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:23,160
Speaker 1: and then birds, and then the forest just turns on.

1852
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 1: It turns on, it's going crazy and berzerko. And you're like,

1853
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:30,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't sneaky at all, not in the slightest And

1854
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:32,679
Speaker 1: I thought about that. I thought about that a lot,

1855
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 1: since one I think I'm meaning quiet and I'm going

1856
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:39,719
Speaker 1: through the trees, the animals are like ducking for cover

1857
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,360
Speaker 1: and they know what's up, and so they might as

1858
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:47,120
Speaker 1: well have a megaphone outgoing someone's coming comes because those deer.

1859
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 1: I've seen it happen where I'm up in my stand

1860
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 1: and some dog or something comes uh out and starts

1861
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:57,559
Speaker 1: kind of walking down one of the trails and the

1862
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 1: forest just ripples like with silence until it reaches my spot.

1863
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 1: It's like it's like they know. And the deer they

1864
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:07,840
Speaker 1: go up on edge, they may not see or hear

1865
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 1: the dog. They just saw the squirrels and the birds

1866
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 1: and everything else that went on alert or acted funny

1867
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 1: and and they ditch it. So if I'm still hunting

1868
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:21,600
Speaker 1: the wrong way, that's tough, man. It's tough to like

1869
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 1: make it work. So I've learned that there's a lot

1870
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 1: of value in ambush hunting UM, and so I do like,

1871
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 1: even when I'm hunting out to go out and sit

1872
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 1: in a spot um and wait for them to come

1873
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 1: to me rather than me blunder through the trees in

1874
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:44,559
Speaker 1: their living room and bump them around. That's that's hard.

1875
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:45,960
Speaker 1: I feel like that's hard for a lot of guys,

1876
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 1: especially out the West, that are born and raised on

1877
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 1: stalking them around. It's hard to sit and wait and uh,

1878
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:56,559
Speaker 1: it's interesting what you said about the ambush side, because

1879
01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:59,479
Speaker 1: a lot of people can't relate unless you haven't done it.

1880
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 1: But there is something about it's it's like a pre hunt.

1881
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:05,599
Speaker 1: All the work you do and thinking about that chest

1882
01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:08,960
Speaker 1: mass match and looking at maps and scouting and setting

1883
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 1: tree stands or trail cameras, that's almost the hunt and

1884
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:15,559
Speaker 1: all that. It's like this, it's in your head work

1885
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 1: and once once you get up in there, that's okay. Now,

1886
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:21,720
Speaker 1: let's just see if it's like hitting dominoes. Did I

1887
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:23,760
Speaker 1: align these dominoes up right now? We're just gonna tap

1888
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:25,880
Speaker 1: that first one. We're gonna see what's gonna happen, and

1889
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 1: watching those dominodes trickle down till it comes. When that happens,

1890
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 1: that is like a tremendous feeling of satisfaction. Yeah, I

1891
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 1: don't happen often, but when it does. Aaron and I

1892
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:40,120
Speaker 1: have talked about this a few times where out West.

1893
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:41,920
Speaker 1: You know, you get the out West guys that are

1894
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 1: like those white tail guys. It's so easy to just

1895
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 1: walk out on a farm. They got food plots, the

1896
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:50,639
Speaker 1: climbing is stand. They just shoot the first thing that comes.

1897
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 1: It's like baiting. It's like they make it sound like

1898
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:58,559
Speaker 1: it's this easy thing that anybody can do. And I'm

1899
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 1: sure there are pieces of proper yeah where that's but

1900
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:05,040
Speaker 1: that is not the norm. But you know, we always

1901
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:06,960
Speaker 1: think it's easier than it really is when it when

1902
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:09,719
Speaker 1: you haven't walked in another man's shoes. But as soon

1903
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:12,720
Speaker 1: as you climb up into a tree and air, and

1904
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 1: I have talked about this. Hell, if it's fifty degrees

1905
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:17,640
Speaker 1: outside and you're sitting there and you don't have the

1906
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:20,679
Speaker 1: right clothes, you're freezing to death in like one hour.

1907
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 1: It's all you can do to stay up in the stand.

1908
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 1: And so and then you guys are hunting in some

1909
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 1: weather that's just stupid, like negative twenty degrees and you're

1910
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:33,600
Speaker 1: sitting for hours and hours, And that right there is

1911
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:37,680
Speaker 1: its own level of mental toughness and mental discipline that

1912
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 1: I think a lot of Western hunters are like dude

1913
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:43,760
Speaker 1: ways two pounds and can't climb up a hill that

1914
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:46,760
Speaker 1: the dude can sit in negative thirty all day long.

1915
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:48,920
Speaker 1: It's a different kind of tough. There's something there to

1916
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 1: be said about it. Yeah, it's it's all good, right.

1917
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 1: I mean, there's all these different types of hunting and

1918
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 1: it's all got its own fun and secretly crave you know,

1919
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:02,559
Speaker 1: tree stand the hunting. Yeah, it's like my I love

1920
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 1: guilty pleasure. Yeah, I like to climb up there. And

1921
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:08,920
Speaker 1: part of it is because I like quiet contemplation time

1922
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 1: time where I just sit and watch things and uh,

1923
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:16,720
Speaker 1: and that's where glassing in the West, Aaron and I

1924
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:18,599
Speaker 1: do a lot of glassing to where you just sit

1925
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:21,439
Speaker 1: all day long and you just watch stuff through your buying.

1926
01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:26,719
Speaker 1: And that's that's also very it's similar feeling in terms

1927
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, you know, it's funny when I think

1928
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:30,880
Speaker 1: when I'm like talking to people that haven't gone out

1929
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 1: West and or the other way around, there's two different, unique,

1930
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:37,600
Speaker 1: really cool things going on when it comes to like

1931
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:41,160
Speaker 1: not just the hunting aspect, but like the internal aspects.

1932
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:42,920
Speaker 1: So I feel like when you're white tail hunting, just

1933
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:46,240
Speaker 1: like you said, you get this opportunity which is very

1934
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:49,439
Speaker 1: rare in today's crazy modern life. To be able to

1935
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 1: sit still and not have anyone asking something of you

1936
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:58,000
Speaker 1: or talking to you. Just gotta sit, be still, be present,

1937
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:00,639
Speaker 1: and you have time to think about you have time

1938
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 1: to unpack things that are going on in your life,

1939
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,519
Speaker 1: or you have times just to do that. So that's

1940
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:09,640
Speaker 1: having time to go within yourself very cool. On the

1941
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:11,679
Speaker 1: other side of the thing, when you're a Western hunting

1942
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:14,439
Speaker 1: in your spotting stalking, at least my experiences out west,

1943
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:19,320
Speaker 1: because you're fully engaged in that moment, moving through the woods,

1944
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 1: checking the wind, where what's going on? Why am I

1945
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:24,759
Speaker 1: stalking in here? You're every step you take, every action

1946
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:28,240
Speaker 1: you take, you are fully one in that moment thinking

1947
01:49:28,240 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 1: about the next step, so you don't think about anything.

1948
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:32,320
Speaker 1: You think about nothing in the outside world except for

1949
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 1: what's the very next thing I'm going to do. So

1950
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 1: it's true, it's it's really interest. There are too complete

1951
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 1: opposite sides of the coin in that way, but the

1952
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 1: far extremes of each side. So either you're in the

1953
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:48,320
Speaker 1: moment or you're one available to go inside yourself, and

1954
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:53,519
Speaker 1: it's very very cool either way. It's like when I'm

1955
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:56,400
Speaker 1: elk hunting and we're bugling and we're calling an elk

1956
01:49:56,479 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 1: and it's just running gun from morning till dark four

1957
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:02,519
Speaker 1: or five as in a row. I haven't even thought

1958
01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 1: about my kids once, like like I mean, I'm it's

1959
01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:12,040
Speaker 1: especially if the conditions are snowy or cold or life

1960
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:14,840
Speaker 1: and death at times where we're in the mountains and

1961
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:19,599
Speaker 1: it's it's just h or it's raining hardcore. I mean,

1962
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:25,639
Speaker 1: it's just it's just to suffer fest those times. Um,

1963
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 1: it's all about surviving, achieving that goal. You're you're you're

1964
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:34,960
Speaker 1: focused on that one thing, toughing it out mentally, staying

1965
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:38,160
Speaker 1: in the game and all of that. I don't think

1966
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 1: you and you do you you emails, not a thing,

1967
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, pms whatever, messages, posting something, uh, you know

1968
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:51,720
Speaker 1: your kids, uh, you know, swim practice. Like it's just

1969
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 1: none of it's on your radar at all. And I

1970
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:59,599
Speaker 1: think it's really good to to unplug from life that fully.

1971
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 1: All Right, Before we move on, we're going to take

1972
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:04,519
Speaker 1: one final short break for a word from our partners

1973
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 1: at the White Tail Institute of North America. And with

1974
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:11,479
Speaker 1: fall food plot season coming very quickly, producer Spencer Newharth

1975
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:14,320
Speaker 1: connected with one of white Tail Institute's food plot experts

1976
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 1: to get the low down on some of the best

1977
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 1: fall food plot options we can be considering this year.

1978
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:23,560
Speaker 1: This week with White Tail Institute, we're talking to consultant

1979
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:27,280
Speaker 1: John Cooner about their special blend of Imperial white Tail

1980
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:30,439
Speaker 1: beats and greens which is designed to hold deer fall

1981
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:34,960
Speaker 1: all the way through winter. The Beachs and Greens is

1982
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:37,959
Speaker 1: a is a neat product. It is an all Braska product,

1983
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:41,560
Speaker 1: but it's unusual and it's a blend of of multiple

1984
01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:44,960
Speaker 1: brask of rise that serve a number of purposes. The

1985
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:49,000
Speaker 1: main ones are that they provide together attraction and food

1986
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:51,960
Speaker 1: for deer from the fall all the way into and

1987
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:55,639
Speaker 1: maybe through the dead of winter. The components are sugar beachs.

1988
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:58,280
Speaker 1: Most folks know how attractive they are to deer when

1989
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:00,559
Speaker 1: you plan them in the fall. It's got tall time

1990
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:02,880
Speaker 1: turnip in it, which is a turnip variety of that

1991
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:06,519
Speaker 1: the White Tail Institute developed six years specifically for deer.

1992
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:09,280
Speaker 1: The tall Time turn up the foliage is for late

1993
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:12,360
Speaker 1: fall through winter. It also has a kale variety in

1994
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 1: it that is unusual when compared to most kale varieties,

1995
01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:19,599
Speaker 1: and that's loose leafed UH is very attractive to deer.

1996
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:23,840
Speaker 1: UH it's a vegetable cultivar that that does not grow

1997
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:26,919
Speaker 1: on a tight head the way a cabbage does. And finally,

1998
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:29,960
Speaker 1: there's the white Tail Institute for its well radish that

1999
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:33,599
Speaker 1: maximizes the attraction over the long term by adding forage

2000
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 1: and tubers for later in the year as a secondary

2001
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:40,840
Speaker 1: benefit the product because of the tubers produced by the

2002
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:45,560
Speaker 1: radish and UH tall time tubers can actually improve this quality,

2003
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:49,320
Speaker 1: especially of compacted soils, by drilling down even a couple

2004
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 1: of feet into the soil and making wide spaces to

2005
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:56,120
Speaker 1: help water and air move UH and any tubers that

2006
01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:59,760
Speaker 1: remain after winter will break down the following spring and

2007
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 1: even improve the quality of soil by adding organic matter.

2008
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:06,160
Speaker 1: But the main thing is it's built for attraction of

2009
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:09,400
Speaker 1: deer all the way through fall and through the winter.

2010
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:14,639
Speaker 1: If you'd like more info on White Tail Institutes forage products,

2011
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 1: check out white Tail Institute dot com, where they also

2012
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 1: carry some of the top supplements, attractions, and herbicides available.

2013
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:25,479
Speaker 1: I want to talk. I want to talk about something

2014
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:29,320
Speaker 1: that I think just based on talking with you and

2015
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:30,840
Speaker 1: every time I've listened to you and I know some

2016
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 1: of the things you recommend and do. I think this

2017
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 1: is something that you probably think about a lot too,

2018
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:35,880
Speaker 1: and you you you touched on it right there. And

2019
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:38,559
Speaker 1: I think it applies equally in different ways, but equally

2020
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:42,439
Speaker 1: to hunting out west or hunting white tails. To be

2021
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:46,400
Speaker 1: very successful at it, mental toughness. And I think mental

2022
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 1: toughness is something that doesn't get a whole lot of

2023
01:53:48,280 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 1: talk when it comes to hunting. I mean, we we

2024
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:51,559
Speaker 1: talked about where to hang my tree stand or how

2025
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:53,360
Speaker 1: do we find where elk bed? Or how do I

2026
01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:56,519
Speaker 1: shoot better? All these like physical tangible things we have

2027
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:59,479
Speaker 1: to do. But if there's any quality I see in

2028
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:02,880
Speaker 1: in most of the really consistent successful hunters, it's those

2029
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 1: people have that mental toughness. I know you're a big reader,

2030
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:09,439
Speaker 1: um so I imagine you're you're tapping to some things

2031
01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:11,479
Speaker 1: and some I know, some people that we share interested

2032
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:15,840
Speaker 1: in have this. What are your thoughts on that? I mean,

2033
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:18,040
Speaker 1: at the high level you agree with me? Is that

2034
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:22,479
Speaker 1: is that is important? I think it's everything. And I

2035
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:25,880
Speaker 1: think I've heard this a lot. I think it's it'll

2036
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:28,920
Speaker 1: tie to I mean, all your success in life can

2037
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 1: be linked to self discipline and mental toughness and believe me.

2038
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean there's certain things I'm real tough in and

2039
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:43,280
Speaker 1: some things where I'm not. But in general, um, Stephen Ronella.

2040
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:45,920
Speaker 1: I did a podcast on Meat Eater a while back

2041
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:50,400
Speaker 1: with Denver Rourke. It's a great one. I really recommend

2042
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:53,080
Speaker 1: check to check that out. And he talks about he

2043
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:58,040
Speaker 1: talks about this. I think that, um, you know, the

2044
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 1: question is that that get gets pose on that podcast

2045
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 1: and erin. I've debated this a few times. Is it

2046
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:07,800
Speaker 1: learned or is it genetic? You know, you're born with

2047
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:10,680
Speaker 1: it or you I think it's both. I think there's

2048
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:12,760
Speaker 1: a combination of both. I think that you we all

2049
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:18,400
Speaker 1: have our natural inclinations regarding mental toughness or natural abilities

2050
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:23,160
Speaker 1: physical abilities. Right, I can't dunk a basketball, you know, um,

2051
01:55:23,240 --> 01:55:25,760
Speaker 1: and so we all have we're all varied and so

2052
01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:29,400
Speaker 1: what we can do genetically, but we're also and I

2053
01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:32,760
Speaker 1: think your your mind and your capacity to be tough

2054
01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:35,919
Speaker 1: mentally goes with that. But we all have the ability

2055
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:40,080
Speaker 1: to be shaped by circumstances as well, depending on how

2056
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:43,040
Speaker 1: we decide to react to them. And I think that

2057
01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:48,800
Speaker 1: you might it's I absolutely believe that you can develop

2058
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:53,200
Speaker 1: and and hone mental toughness. It's a muscle. Yep. Everybody's

2059
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:56,520
Speaker 1: going to be born with it to a certain extent, naturally,

2060
01:55:56,760 --> 01:56:00,960
Speaker 1: of course, but wherever you're at, we've already established it's

2061
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 1: a valuable commodity. You want it, so so why not cultivated?

2062
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:09,400
Speaker 1: So for me, I I've talked about this a few times.

2063
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:14,240
Speaker 1: I followed whim Hoff. Um. He was on Joe Rogan.

2064
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:17,920
Speaker 1: He's been on like a few podcasts, right, and he's

2065
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:22,280
Speaker 1: the iceman um. And there's the whim Hoff method, which

2066
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:24,560
Speaker 1: is a breathing method and you getting the ice water

2067
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:28,400
Speaker 1: and you freeze to death. You know. The guy has

2068
01:56:28,440 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 1: a way of of breathing. And so he's met client

2069
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:38,480
Speaker 1: climb Mount kilman jar O and uh yeah, a couple

2070
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 1: other in his in his shorts um and a pair

2071
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 1: of pair of boots. I think he might have done

2072
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:48,760
Speaker 1: a barefoot too. Uh. He's done some crazy stuff he's

2073
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:50,920
Speaker 1: on he's on the Joe Rogan podcast and he goes

2074
01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:53,560
Speaker 1: goes into a lot of detail there, but basically he's

2075
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:56,680
Speaker 1: done some things through his mind that are pretty fascinating.

2076
01:56:57,200 --> 01:57:00,360
Speaker 1: Um And I won't bore people with it, but it's

2077
01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 1: something to look into. But he talks about finding comfortable,

2078
01:57:05,720 --> 01:57:10,000
Speaker 1: comfort and discomfort, and he tells you that happiness is

2079
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:14,800
Speaker 1: actually in the struggle in in not being comfortable and

2080
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:19,879
Speaker 1: being cold when when you'd rather be warm, being hungry

2081
01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:22,800
Speaker 1: when you're you know, when you want to eat, and

2082
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:26,160
Speaker 1: he and he talks about how the human body and

2083
01:57:26,240 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 1: psyche needs these acute stresses and needs these these moments

2084
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:35,640
Speaker 1: too two to respond to and overcome to be happy

2085
01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 1: and healthy. Well, I don't know about you, but climbing

2086
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:45,320
Speaker 1: into cold water for five minutes or fifteen minutes or

2087
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 1: ten minutes the first thing you do when you client

2088
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:53,520
Speaker 1: let's say it's it's thirty degrees outside and you're gonna

2089
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:58,040
Speaker 1: go get inside of a cold lake. How long do

2090
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 1: you think you'll stay in there? Mark? Not very long. Yeah,

2091
01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:05,080
Speaker 1: it sucks like it sucks. The second you get in there,

2092
01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:07,440
Speaker 1: everything inside your brain is saying, get out, get out,

2093
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:09,400
Speaker 1: get out, get out. This is awful. This is painful,

2094
01:58:09,480 --> 01:58:12,600
Speaker 1: this is awful, this is horrible. Everything is like, get

2095
01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:16,440
Speaker 1: out of the water. But you're like, no, no, we're

2096
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:19,680
Speaker 1: staying here for five minutes. And you do that, and

2097
01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 1: then you go back and you do it again. For

2098
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:25,160
Speaker 1: saying you've done this, yes, yes, and get it. But

2099
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:27,640
Speaker 1: you're doing this as an exercise a mental top can

2100
01:58:27,680 --> 01:58:30,600
Speaker 1: I can I mind over body and I mind over body.

2101
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:33,640
Speaker 1: And by doing that, by by flexing that muscle in

2102
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:38,160
Speaker 1: that way, you're able to who was an experiment? Yeah,

2103
01:58:38,200 --> 01:58:40,960
Speaker 1: and so my brother proving yourself you can do. My

2104
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 1: brother was born when I was about sixteen years old,

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Speaker 1: so we didn't grow up together. But he got leukemia

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01:58:46,760 --> 01:58:50,480
Speaker 1: when he was like five something like that, and uh,

2107
01:58:50,840 --> 01:58:53,400
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time sick and playing video games.

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01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:55,520
Speaker 1: And during the time right when he should have been

2109
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:59,200
Speaker 1: getting his butt beat, uh, he was maybe going to

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01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:03,600
Speaker 1: die from camp sir. So my parents really didn't. You know,

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01:59:03,640 --> 01:59:05,960
Speaker 1: he got away with everything anything he wanted. He just

2112
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:07,960
Speaker 1: kind of got because maybe he's gonna be dead tomorrow,

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01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:10,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So during those formative years

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01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:13,240
Speaker 1: he kind of got pretty darn spoiled. And I think

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01:59:13,240 --> 01:59:15,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of discipline and character that he did

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01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:20,320
Speaker 1: not develop because he got spoiled. Um in a way.

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01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:23,680
Speaker 1: I mean, sure surely Chemo's no picnic. He still had

2118
01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:27,560
Speaker 1: to mentor yeah, but it was different, like he didn't

2119
01:59:27,600 --> 01:59:29,800
Speaker 1: get disciplined in the same way the rest of us did.

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01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:33,480
Speaker 1: As he got older. You know, he definitely admitted I

2121
01:59:33,480 --> 01:59:37,600
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of mental toughness, and uh, we

2122
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:39,520
Speaker 1: were talking about this and he wanted to develop it.

2123
01:59:39,560 --> 01:59:41,360
Speaker 1: And he saw the whim off thing and he's like,

2124
01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this. And as a kid who had

2125
01:59:43,960 --> 01:59:47,800
Speaker 1: a hard time like staying enrolled in school, and you know,

2126
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:50,040
Speaker 1: he's setting his mind to something he quit after it

2127
01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:52,840
Speaker 1: got hard, you know, and this was like, I'm gonna

2128
01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:55,640
Speaker 1: do this. And I watched him over the course of

2129
01:59:56,080 --> 02:00:00,280
Speaker 1: six eight months every day with it. Started it out

2130
02:00:00,280 --> 02:00:02,680
Speaker 1: with just a few minutes in the water, and then

2131
02:00:02,720 --> 02:00:06,080
Speaker 1: it was five minutes, then it was ten, and then

2132
02:00:06,120 --> 02:00:08,520
Speaker 1: it was thirty. And he got to a point where

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02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:12,040
Speaker 1: and he made himself do it. Every day was a struggle.

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02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:16,040
Speaker 1: It never really got easier. It always sucked for the

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02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:18,240
Speaker 1: first bit, you know, but then it would feel good

2136
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:21,080
Speaker 1: later throughout the day that he accomplished that. And I

2137
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:27,200
Speaker 1: think I think you can through through small baby steps

2138
02:00:27,240 --> 02:00:29,800
Speaker 1: of making yourself do things that you don't want to do.

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02:00:30,040 --> 02:00:33,920
Speaker 1: Developmental toughness, you have Dave Rams he talks about He

2140
02:00:33,960 --> 02:00:37,720
Speaker 1: says something like kids do what they feel like doing.

2141
02:00:38,200 --> 02:00:41,560
Speaker 1: Grown ups do what they know is good. For him,

2142
02:00:41,560 --> 02:00:45,320
Speaker 1: because it's good for him. Right. My daughter is like, hey, Bryan, Dad,

2143
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:46,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to I don't want to

2144
02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:48,760
Speaker 1: go on Dad, I don't want to go on this

2145
02:00:48,840 --> 02:00:52,160
Speaker 1: hike with you and Aaron. And I'm like, you know what, honey,

2146
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:53,680
Speaker 1: I know you don't want to go on this hike

2147
02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:56,800
Speaker 1: with me, but it's good for you. And grown ups

2148
02:00:56,840 --> 02:00:58,800
Speaker 1: do things that are good for them even though they

2149
02:00:58,840 --> 02:01:01,840
Speaker 1: don't want to. And she's like, I hate it when

2150
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:05,280
Speaker 1: you say that. It's true, honey, You're gonna do it

2151
02:01:05,320 --> 02:01:07,560
Speaker 1: because it's good for you, and you don't have the

2152
02:01:07,600 --> 02:01:10,920
Speaker 1: mental toughness right now to make yourself do it. So

2153
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:13,600
Speaker 1: that's why you got a parent. I'm here to make

2154
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:16,560
Speaker 1: you take care of yourself until you're old enough to

2155
02:01:16,640 --> 02:01:19,200
Speaker 1: have the discipline to do that on your own. That's

2156
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:21,680
Speaker 1: how I developed character, you know. My dad's like, you're

2157
02:01:21,720 --> 02:01:23,640
Speaker 1: chopping wood today, and I'm like, I don't want to chop.

2158
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:27,200
Speaker 1: All we do is chopping wood. He's like, I don't care.

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02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:29,800
Speaker 1: It's good for you, and you're gonna do it because

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02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:32,640
Speaker 1: I said so. And then later as a grown man,

2161
02:01:32,720 --> 02:01:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, we need wood. I'm gonna go chop it,

2162
02:01:35,240 --> 02:01:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, I don't know, and it's maybe

2163
02:01:37,640 --> 02:01:41,160
Speaker 1: sounds overly simplistic, but I think that you can develop it.

2164
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:45,080
Speaker 1: I think it's it's your point. Um, it's funny. You

2165
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:48,760
Speaker 1: probably follow Jocko a little bit. Yeah, so Jocko Willing.

2166
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:50,840
Speaker 1: There was one of those early early episodes they were

2167
02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:55,360
Speaker 1: talking about this, him and uh mom blinking Echo, Echo, Charles,

2168
02:01:55,400 --> 02:01:58,120
Speaker 1: Echo Charles, and they're talking about mental toughness, and Echo

2169
02:01:58,120 --> 02:02:00,640
Speaker 1: asked Jockodi, how do you how do you do this?

2170
02:02:00,720 --> 02:02:03,160
Speaker 1: How do you build a month of toughes? Jocko just says,

2171
02:02:03,480 --> 02:02:06,240
Speaker 1: you do it. You decide, you decided to do it,

2172
02:02:06,240 --> 02:02:08,960
Speaker 1: and you do it. And that goes like, well, no,

2173
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:11,960
Speaker 1: there's gonna be more. He goes back and says the

2174
02:02:11,960 --> 02:02:13,880
Speaker 1: same thing. But um. But in the end Echo actually

2175
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:15,920
Speaker 1: had a good example of what he was doing. And

2176
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:18,800
Speaker 1: I think it's it's um, it's a good way to

2177
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:20,320
Speaker 1: go about and I think I apply this a little.

2178
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:21,720
Speaker 1: I tried to apply this in my own life. And

2179
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:24,080
Speaker 1: he gave a little example of just a very simple,

2180
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:26,000
Speaker 1: very simple little thing. But he said, you know, he

2181
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:27,880
Speaker 1: wanted to try to become more mentally tough because he

2182
02:02:27,880 --> 02:02:30,280
Speaker 1: felt like he didn't have that very much growing up

2183
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:34,040
Speaker 1: wasn't raising a way he had to flex that MU pushed.

2184
02:02:34,320 --> 02:02:36,760
Speaker 1: So he said, this has been on this has been

2185
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:39,040
Speaker 1: on his mind recently. So he was in the grocery

2186
02:02:39,080 --> 02:02:42,320
Speaker 1: store aisle and he had like a case of beer

2187
02:02:42,680 --> 02:02:44,400
Speaker 1: and something else heavy in his left hand, and he

2188
02:02:44,440 --> 02:02:46,560
Speaker 1: had gotten this line. It was a very long line,

2189
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:49,040
Speaker 1: and he wanted to let that case of beer and

2190
02:02:49,080 --> 02:02:50,800
Speaker 1: the other heavy thing was left hand he wanted to

2191
02:02:50,800 --> 02:02:52,720
Speaker 1: put on the ground. And he had long ways ago

2192
02:02:52,760 --> 02:02:54,760
Speaker 1: and there was like lots and lots of groceries and

2193
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:56,880
Speaker 1: the ladies car knew is gonna be here a long time.

2194
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:58,560
Speaker 1: He wanted to start everything down. He said, this is

2195
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:01,600
Speaker 1: he like took note though he was like mentally cognizant

2196
02:03:01,600 --> 02:03:04,440
Speaker 1: of this opportunity. He said, you know what, No, I'm

2197
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:05,880
Speaker 1: going to use this as an opportunity to try to

2198
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:08,360
Speaker 1: build mental strength. And I'm just I'm not gonna I'm

2199
02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:10,640
Speaker 1: choosing right now. I'm not going to set these down,

2200
02:03:10,720 --> 02:03:12,560
Speaker 1: no matter how long I have to wait, I'm not

2201
02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:13,920
Speaker 1: setting it down. And I have to see if I

2202
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:16,040
Speaker 1: can do it, and I'm gonna do it. And it's

2203
02:03:16,040 --> 02:03:18,440
Speaker 1: a stupid little thing, but he did it and then

2204
02:03:18,480 --> 02:03:20,200
Speaker 1: once he did it, he said, hey, that was one

2205
02:03:20,200 --> 02:03:22,640
Speaker 1: way I can make a mental decision to push through

2206
02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:25,760
Speaker 1: an uncomfortable situation I usually wouldn't want to do, and

2207
02:03:26,160 --> 02:03:29,440
Speaker 1: in some tiny, zero point one percent way, he improved

2208
02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:30,920
Speaker 1: his mental toughness. And I think if you go through

2209
02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:34,040
Speaker 1: life looking for opportunities like that and saying like, look

2210
02:03:34,120 --> 02:03:36,320
Speaker 1: for me, I am not. I mean, I think everyone

2211
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:38,800
Speaker 1: hits a wall physically when they're doing some type of exertion.

2212
02:03:38,840 --> 02:03:42,200
Speaker 1: But I'm not some kind of g I Joe type dude.

2213
02:03:42,240 --> 02:03:45,080
Speaker 1: But when I go and runs and stuff, I always

2214
02:03:45,200 --> 02:03:47,840
Speaker 1: envisioned at the end, you know, I'm I'm conked out.

2215
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:50,120
Speaker 1: It can't go any further, hit that wall and you've

2216
02:03:50,120 --> 02:03:52,440
Speaker 1: got a hundred yards left to go or something. And

2217
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:54,360
Speaker 1: every time I get that that, I always think of

2218
02:03:54,400 --> 02:03:56,480
Speaker 1: my head, this is that, This is where it's your mind. Man.

2219
02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:58,280
Speaker 1: This is if you're gonna Are you gonna kill that elk?

2220
02:03:58,320 --> 02:03:59,480
Speaker 1: Are you gonna get to the top of the hill.

2221
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:01,200
Speaker 1: Are you going to be able sit in that tree

2222
02:04:01,200 --> 02:04:03,080
Speaker 1: stand when the big buck comes through? Are you going

2223
02:04:03,120 --> 02:04:05,240
Speaker 1: to be the hand of the cold And you just

2224
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:06,880
Speaker 1: like have to go into your head and say no,

2225
02:04:08,200 --> 02:04:10,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna push through it, going to overcome it. And

2226
02:04:10,840 --> 02:04:13,200
Speaker 1: every little time you can do that, I think it helps.

2227
02:04:13,480 --> 02:04:17,080
Speaker 1: I agree. I also think that it's very good to

2228
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:21,880
Speaker 1: put be put in a situation where you have no choice.

2229
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:24,600
Speaker 1: I was just talking to David Brinker and he was like, well,

2230
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:27,040
Speaker 1: I really want to go on a solo moose hunt.

2231
02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm like really, He's like, yeah, where they drop me

2232
02:04:30,280 --> 02:04:34,160
Speaker 1: off for seven days and they come back and get

2233
02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:37,000
Speaker 1: you for ten days or whatever. And I'm like, that's

2234
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:41,840
Speaker 1: that's rugged. That's but there's He's like, I'm like why,

2235
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:45,120
Speaker 1: and he said, well, there's a certain amount of character,

2236
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:47,880
Speaker 1: I think, and growth that comes from the fact that

2237
02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:52,800
Speaker 1: I have to make it like there's nobody else there,

2238
02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:55,680
Speaker 1: there's no quit And like Denver was talking about being

2239
02:04:55,720 --> 02:04:58,080
Speaker 1: in the Navy Seals and they're in Bud's training and

2240
02:04:58,120 --> 02:05:00,360
Speaker 1: there's a bell there and at any more you can

2241
02:05:00,440 --> 02:05:03,080
Speaker 1: walk over and ding the bell. How many of those

2242
02:05:03,080 --> 02:05:06,880
Speaker 1: guys would have made it through the training and not

2243
02:05:07,120 --> 02:05:10,880
Speaker 1: ding the bell If they were in a wartime situation

2244
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:15,680
Speaker 1: and it was similar drudgery, but it was it was

2245
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:18,440
Speaker 1: life or death, probably a lot of them would actually

2246
02:05:18,440 --> 02:05:22,840
Speaker 1: tough it out right. It's the ability to quit. Like Echo,

2247
02:05:23,000 --> 02:05:25,800
Speaker 1: Charles is holding those two things in his hand. He's like, well,

2248
02:05:26,240 --> 02:05:29,880
Speaker 1: I could put it down, technically put down anytime he wants, right,

2249
02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:32,120
Speaker 1: But if you're in a situation where it's like, well,

2250
02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:34,360
Speaker 1: if you put it down, something dire is going to happen,

2251
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:37,840
Speaker 1: and you find what you're really capable of. And I

2252
02:05:37,880 --> 02:05:40,880
Speaker 1: think that often some of the best people I've met

2253
02:05:41,160 --> 02:05:43,480
Speaker 1: that that have this kind of resiliency, some of them

2254
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:45,560
Speaker 1: were put in a situation where they were like, I

2255
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:48,480
Speaker 1: had no choice. You're like, wow, you overcame, you did

2256
02:05:48,520 --> 02:05:51,080
Speaker 1: some stuff that was phenomenal, and they're like, yeah, if

2257
02:05:51,120 --> 02:05:52,520
Speaker 1: you'd asked me if I could have done that, I

2258
02:05:52,520 --> 02:05:54,960
Speaker 1: would have said no, I never could have done that.

2259
02:05:55,280 --> 02:05:57,520
Speaker 1: But I had no choice, and then I found out

2260
02:05:57,520 --> 02:06:00,360
Speaker 1: what I was really made of. Cameron Haynes to about

2261
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:03,880
Speaker 1: running the Boston Marathon with Lance Armstrong. He's like, yeah,

2262
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm running and running and running. I'm thinking I'm dying

2263
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:09,760
Speaker 1: halfway through and I'm like, I can't do this. And

2264
02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:12,200
Speaker 1: he gets up by Lance and he's like, Lance, I'm

2265
02:06:12,280 --> 02:06:15,440
Speaker 1: dying here. I'm dying, you know, or he actually last

2266
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:17,880
Speaker 1: asked Lance, how are you feeling? And he's like, I'm Evan.

2267
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:22,320
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm having dying man. And so Kim was like, what, like,

2268
02:06:22,600 --> 02:06:26,960
Speaker 1: if he's dying, then then then the way I feel

2269
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm dying. But he's gonna keep pushing, and so he's like,

2270
02:06:31,320 --> 02:06:33,200
Speaker 1: my goal was just to stay with him. And then

2271
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:35,160
Speaker 1: he did a little longer than pretty see. He's like,

2272
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:39,680
Speaker 1: no matter what, I'm not gonna I'll die before I stopped.

2273
02:06:40,040 --> 02:06:42,040
Speaker 1: And mentally he decided and he made it and he

2274
02:06:42,080 --> 02:06:44,240
Speaker 1: did it, and he said, uh, he said something about

2275
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:47,080
Speaker 1: they ran the second half of the Boston Marathon faster

2276
02:06:47,120 --> 02:06:49,760
Speaker 1: than they ran the first half and that there's only

2277
02:06:49,800 --> 02:06:51,640
Speaker 1: like a couple of people in history that have ever

2278
02:06:51,680 --> 02:06:54,000
Speaker 1: done that, and it's him and Lance Armstrong and like

2279
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:58,080
Speaker 1: a couple of others, and so that's phenomenal, right, And

2280
02:06:58,280 --> 02:07:01,240
Speaker 1: he thought at halfway and he's like, there's no way

2281
02:07:01,880 --> 02:07:04,240
Speaker 1: I can go any faster, and if I keep this

2282
02:07:04,280 --> 02:07:06,760
Speaker 1: pace up, I'll never make it to the end. And

2283
02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:09,480
Speaker 1: he's like, I just realized at that point that we're

2284
02:07:09,560 --> 02:07:13,560
Speaker 1: so much more capable of things than we think we are.

2285
02:07:14,080 --> 02:07:15,920
Speaker 1: And I always think about that, you know, he said.

2286
02:07:16,200 --> 02:07:19,040
Speaker 1: Marcus la Trail talks about how most people quit when

2287
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:22,440
Speaker 1: they still have left or something like that. It's some

2288
02:07:22,600 --> 02:07:27,040
Speaker 1: crazy amount of And so I always think about that

2289
02:07:27,080 --> 02:07:29,960
Speaker 1: when things are tough and it's hard and I'm mentally

2290
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:31,720
Speaker 1: grinding it out. I'm trying to make it to the

2291
02:07:31,720 --> 02:07:34,040
Speaker 1: top of the trail. Someday I'd like to be Aaron

2292
02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:37,560
Speaker 1: Snyder to the top. It's probably not gonna happen, but

2293
02:07:37,800 --> 02:07:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep trying. I'm gonna still keep coming at it.

2294
02:07:41,800 --> 02:07:44,800
Speaker 1: And the thing of it is, sometimes I'm like, how

2295
02:07:44,920 --> 02:07:47,280
Speaker 1: much of its physical ability, how much it's mental toughness,

2296
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:49,520
Speaker 1: how much of it is Aaron is just mentally tougher

2297
02:07:49,560 --> 02:07:53,120
Speaker 1: than me, and that haunts me right, Like I'm competitive.

2298
02:07:53,280 --> 02:07:56,520
Speaker 1: I don't like that. And so I'm like, dig deeper,

2299
02:07:56,560 --> 02:08:01,120
Speaker 1: call go harder, you know, drop if you have to.

2300
02:08:01,200 --> 02:08:03,080
Speaker 1: And there are times where I'm climbing at nine thousand

2301
02:08:03,120 --> 02:08:07,000
Speaker 1: feet behind Aaron and I literally have so little oxygen

2302
02:08:07,600 --> 02:08:11,120
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm about to black out, like I'm allowed

2303
02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:13,720
Speaker 1: about to, Like I see a little bit of stars

2304
02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:16,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like, so down little and then your oxygen

2305
02:08:16,840 --> 02:08:20,720
Speaker 1: comes back and uh, and and I resume hiking, but

2306
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:23,440
Speaker 1: pushing it to that limit. I mean, I also think

2307
02:08:24,040 --> 02:08:27,640
Speaker 1: I'm not going to die, you know, it's just you know,

2308
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:31,520
Speaker 1: you might fall down, but it's not a life and

2309
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:34,080
Speaker 1: death situation. I think a lot of people blow up

2310
02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:38,560
Speaker 1: in their mind how difficult something is. It's like, well,

2311
02:08:38,640 --> 02:08:42,200
Speaker 1: yes it's hard, but no one you're gonna be around tomorrow,

2312
02:08:42,760 --> 02:08:48,040
Speaker 1: you know. Just pain. Yeah, I feel like I feel

2313
02:08:48,040 --> 02:08:50,600
Speaker 1: like that. It just comes into place so many times

2314
02:08:50,600 --> 02:08:53,680
Speaker 1: in hunting situations, whether it be dealing with bad weather

2315
02:08:53,720 --> 02:08:55,960
Speaker 1: on a bad country trip, or whether it be just

2316
02:08:56,040 --> 02:09:00,360
Speaker 1: dealing with seventeens eight hours sits in or oh where

2317
02:09:00,360 --> 02:09:02,440
Speaker 1: you don't see the buck you're after, and finally, damn it,

2318
02:09:02,480 --> 02:09:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm just on sleep, but I'm not smoking up before him.

2319
02:09:04,680 --> 02:09:06,600
Speaker 1: But you know what, that's the day that you would

2320
02:09:06,640 --> 02:09:09,200
Speaker 1: have seen him. I agree. What about this? Let me

2321
02:09:09,240 --> 02:09:12,120
Speaker 1: ask you this because I think this is very much

2322
02:09:12,160 --> 02:09:14,520
Speaker 1: tied to this whole discussion on mental toughness. This this

2323
02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:20,680
Speaker 1: thing I'm about to talk about negativity. I think that

2324
02:09:20,760 --> 02:09:24,800
Speaker 1: it takes an extreme level of mental toughness not to

2325
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:28,160
Speaker 1: be negative goes hand in hand. I agree. That means

2326
02:09:28,640 --> 02:09:31,360
Speaker 1: trash talking somebody else in a negative way. That means

2327
02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:34,760
Speaker 1: like being a hater on the internet, all that stuff,

2328
02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:39,160
Speaker 1: to me is mental weakness. There's there's it's giving into

2329
02:09:39,240 --> 02:09:41,960
Speaker 1: it's and usually it's rooted an ego and pride, and

2330
02:09:42,160 --> 02:09:44,960
Speaker 1: it's usually done to belittle someone else to make yourself

2331
02:09:45,000 --> 02:09:49,680
Speaker 1: feel better. When I see someone who's hating on someone else,

2332
02:09:50,200 --> 02:09:54,920
Speaker 1: who's trying to achieve, trying to do good things, trying

2333
02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:57,360
Speaker 1: to make a difference. When I see that, I'm just

2334
02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:02,840
Speaker 1: like that negativity that hate, I think it's weakness coming

2335
02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:08,840
Speaker 1: out of their mouth. And mentally tough people often I

2336
02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:11,640
Speaker 1: think they they put that in check and they say,

2337
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:13,440
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not gonna be that guy. I'm

2338
02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:18,640
Speaker 1: gonna be this positive person that does positive things, and

2339
02:10:18,640 --> 02:10:24,040
Speaker 1: and that builds that mental toughness. And I think and

2340
02:10:24,080 --> 02:10:29,240
Speaker 1: then that also applies to actually being able to execute

2341
02:10:29,400 --> 02:10:32,480
Speaker 1: on um, you know how you can execute on not

2342
02:10:32,760 --> 02:10:35,200
Speaker 1: on anything, whether it be dealing with a tough situation

2343
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:37,920
Speaker 1: in life, or whether it be you know, a social

2344
02:10:37,960 --> 02:10:41,520
Speaker 1: engagement or dealing with criticism, or looking at someone else

2345
02:10:41,560 --> 02:10:43,840
Speaker 1: and comparing yourself and say, oh man, he's doing really great.

2346
02:10:44,200 --> 02:10:45,840
Speaker 1: I wish I was doing that great. And the easy

2347
02:10:45,880 --> 02:10:50,360
Speaker 1: thing is to, like you said, get negative, say well, yeah,

2348
02:10:50,400 --> 02:10:53,520
Speaker 1: but there they got this hand or well yeah, but

2349
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:56,560
Speaker 1: they're jerks or whatever you want to say. Um, but

2350
02:10:57,440 --> 02:10:59,160
Speaker 1: if you look at it the other way and you

2351
02:10:59,200 --> 02:11:02,520
Speaker 1: maintain that of attitude about whether it be a product,

2352
02:11:02,560 --> 02:11:06,280
Speaker 1: you're working on, a hunt, you're going on, that I

2353
02:11:06,320 --> 02:11:09,080
Speaker 1: think is like a developed a snowball effect. And if

2354
02:11:09,080 --> 02:11:12,720
Speaker 1: you can stay in the game, stay positive, staymentally tough,

2355
02:11:13,160 --> 02:11:15,760
Speaker 1: you put yourself in a position to eventually be in

2356
02:11:15,800 --> 02:11:17,080
Speaker 1: the places you want to be, whether it would be

2357
02:11:17,200 --> 02:11:21,360
Speaker 1: successful business, whether it be getting the shot, whether I mean,

2358
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:25,680
Speaker 1: I think positive self talk, but positive treatment of others,

2359
02:11:25,840 --> 02:11:28,520
Speaker 1: they all go hand in hand. Because it's so easy

2360
02:11:28,720 --> 02:11:32,600
Speaker 1: to become to give into our natural instincts to be

2361
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:35,800
Speaker 1: negative and hate on someone. And man, that's that's awfully

2362
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:38,600
Speaker 1: prevalence in this hunting world. Well, I think in this

2363
02:11:38,760 --> 02:11:41,720
Speaker 1: social media world in general, right, Like it's so easy

2364
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:47,920
Speaker 1: now to be a to be cruel or mean, or

2365
02:11:48,600 --> 02:11:53,360
Speaker 1: or or belittling. And again I think it that serves

2366
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:56,800
Speaker 1: the weaker side of us. Um, if you want to

2367
02:11:56,800 --> 02:12:00,760
Speaker 1: start developing some mental toughness, don't give into that. Be positive.

2368
02:12:00,880 --> 02:12:03,960
Speaker 1: And you may not like something someone else produces, You

2369
02:12:03,960 --> 02:12:07,160
Speaker 1: may not be a fan of their their exercise, routine

2370
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:10,440
Speaker 1: or how they shoot a bow or how you know,

2371
02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:15,320
Speaker 1: their comedy routine, whatever it is. But to me, it's

2372
02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:18,600
Speaker 1: like you cannot be a fan of that but also

2373
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:22,080
Speaker 1: respect them and that other people do appreciate or or

2374
02:12:22,200 --> 02:12:26,080
Speaker 1: value them. Uh. So there's there's no Like I said,

2375
02:12:26,120 --> 02:12:29,240
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's it's it's it's giving into

2376
02:12:29,560 --> 02:12:33,120
Speaker 1: that base instinct that you have, that weak instinct. And

2377
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:36,360
Speaker 1: if you want to develop some mental toughness, start with

2378
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:40,800
Speaker 1: being positive when you when you feel that urged to

2379
02:12:40,840 --> 02:12:45,680
Speaker 1: be a little someone else. Yeah. Uh speaking social media, right,

2380
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:50,360
Speaker 1: there's this tendency and it starts with TV two with

2381
02:12:50,480 --> 02:12:52,960
Speaker 1: regular media and then social media and that you know,

2382
02:12:53,040 --> 02:12:55,320
Speaker 1: going back to just the hunting world and we see

2383
02:12:55,800 --> 02:12:57,880
Speaker 1: so and so killed a big buck, or so and

2384
02:12:57,920 --> 02:13:00,800
Speaker 1: so got this great thing, or even just in life,

2385
02:13:00,840 --> 02:13:03,560
Speaker 1: so and so's business is doing so much better than

2386
02:13:03,600 --> 02:13:06,840
Speaker 1: mine or so and sos whatever. Um, and you start

2387
02:13:06,840 --> 02:13:10,040
Speaker 1: comparing yourself to others and and this is something I've

2388
02:13:10,200 --> 02:13:16,680
Speaker 1: personally struggled with, Like, um, I find myself constantly comparing

2389
02:13:16,680 --> 02:13:19,040
Speaker 1: myself and feeling bad about myself because I'm not doing

2390
02:13:19,080 --> 02:13:20,480
Speaker 1: as good as acts are. So and so did that.

2391
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:22,000
Speaker 1: Why can't I do that? Why didn't I do that?

2392
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:24,720
Speaker 1: What's wrong with me? And it's something I'm I'm aware of.

2393
02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:26,640
Speaker 1: I think step one is being aware of it. You

2394
02:13:26,680 --> 02:13:29,000
Speaker 1: can then you can then make it in you can

2395
02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:31,440
Speaker 1: make a change based on awareness. But it's it's like

2396
02:13:31,480 --> 02:13:33,760
Speaker 1: a natural thing that happens to me. And I think

2397
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:36,440
Speaker 1: this affects a lot of people. Is like satisfaction with hunting.

2398
02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:38,880
Speaker 1: This impacts you know how much you enjoy going out

2399
02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:41,320
Speaker 1: there when you start getting putting pressure on yourself or

2400
02:13:41,560 --> 02:13:44,120
Speaker 1: looking at Facebook during November and feeling bad because this

2401
02:13:44,120 --> 02:13:46,360
Speaker 1: guy killed them and that guy killed and I can't

2402
02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:49,640
Speaker 1: I why can't I? Um? How do you deal with that?

2403
02:13:49,680 --> 02:13:52,320
Speaker 1: Do you do? You have those types of feelings sometimes

2404
02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:55,720
Speaker 1: you feel I think I think people would be lying

2405
02:13:55,800 --> 02:13:57,920
Speaker 1: if if they said they didn't in general, and I

2406
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:02,600
Speaker 1: think we all go through that. Um. You know, it's

2407
02:14:02,600 --> 02:14:08,400
Speaker 1: a good question. I feel like, Um, the way that

2408
02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:13,760
Speaker 1: I deal with it is I focus on gratitude, gratefulness. Um.

2409
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:16,880
Speaker 1: My wife went through cancer a couple a few years ago,

2410
02:14:17,320 --> 02:14:19,920
Speaker 1: and uh, it was it was a hard time for me.

2411
02:14:20,040 --> 02:14:22,760
Speaker 1: I in fact didn't handle it how I hoped I would.

2412
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:24,960
Speaker 1: You know, it was a little I wanted to be

2413
02:14:25,080 --> 02:14:28,160
Speaker 1: that mentally tough guy. Um, and there were moments where

2414
02:14:28,160 --> 02:14:30,360
Speaker 1: I had breakdown, said I didn't see coming that I

2415
02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:33,800
Speaker 1: didn't think i'd have. So I think that what what

2416
02:14:33,800 --> 02:14:39,400
Speaker 1: what I found was, it's really tough when you're when

2417
02:14:39,400 --> 02:14:41,720
Speaker 1: you actually sit back and you're like, I am so

2418
02:14:42,280 --> 02:14:45,760
Speaker 1: thankful for what I have and for who I've met,

2419
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:48,440
Speaker 1: and for my kids and my wife, and I'm so

2420
02:14:48,520 --> 02:14:51,720
Speaker 1: grateful for the health I have and the physical abilities

2421
02:14:51,760 --> 02:14:55,000
Speaker 1: I have a possess. And and you go through that list.

2422
02:14:56,720 --> 02:14:58,680
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, not be the richest guy, but

2423
02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:01,920
Speaker 1: hey man, I am so I love this truck. You

2424
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:04,040
Speaker 1: know I could afford that. You know, you start going

2425
02:15:04,080 --> 02:15:06,280
Speaker 1: through it sounds silly, but you start going through all

2426
02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:09,120
Speaker 1: this stuff that you're grateful for. I think it's really

2427
02:15:09,120 --> 02:15:12,360
Speaker 1: difficult then to sit there and think about and dwell

2428
02:15:12,400 --> 02:15:15,120
Speaker 1: on all the things you don't have that someone else

2429
02:15:15,160 --> 02:15:19,160
Speaker 1: has that you don't have. And so I try every

2430
02:15:19,240 --> 02:15:23,600
Speaker 1: day to to wake up and two things. Be grateful.

2431
02:15:24,520 --> 02:15:29,320
Speaker 1: Be be truly grateful for for for everything. And also

2432
02:15:29,440 --> 02:15:34,520
Speaker 1: live for today, not not for tomorrow, not for I'll

2433
02:15:34,520 --> 02:15:37,400
Speaker 1: be happy when not for you know, as soon as

2434
02:15:37,400 --> 02:15:41,280
Speaker 1: I kill that elk everything is good. No, today today

2435
02:15:41,400 --> 02:15:45,080
Speaker 1: was awesome. Every day is awesome, and even days where

2436
02:15:45,080 --> 02:15:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I just all I did was drive

2437
02:15:47,120 --> 02:15:50,320
Speaker 1: kids to to school and drop them off and man

2438
02:15:50,680 --> 02:15:53,440
Speaker 1: clean the house, and you know, it's like it's not

2439
02:15:53,480 --> 02:15:55,600
Speaker 1: what I wanted, and yet it was a great day,

2440
02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:57,880
Speaker 1: you know. And I think when you start approaching life

2441
02:15:58,040 --> 02:16:03,760
Speaker 1: from that perspective, Um, it's you stop doing the comparison thing.

2442
02:16:03,800 --> 02:16:06,400
Speaker 1: That's how I come combat and that's how I do it. Yeah,

2443
02:16:06,400 --> 02:16:09,480
Speaker 1: I think you're spot on. I mean, that's that's my

2444
02:16:09,680 --> 02:16:12,640
Speaker 1: antidote that I'm always trying to remind myself too. It's like,

2445
02:16:12,680 --> 02:16:16,560
Speaker 1: you can't be negative and if you if you take

2446
02:16:16,600 --> 02:16:18,400
Speaker 1: every time you're feeling negative like that and replace it

2447
02:16:18,400 --> 02:16:20,800
Speaker 1: with gratitude, the two things can't co exist. So you

2448
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:22,880
Speaker 1: can if you seem like fear and faith, you know,

2449
02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:26,400
Speaker 1: I believe Sometimes I'm sitting there and I'm like, is

2450
02:16:26,480 --> 02:16:30,880
Speaker 1: Gritty Bowman like a waste of time? Or is Gritty

2451
02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:35,240
Speaker 1: Bowman really gonna go the distance? Am I making a difference?

2452
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:40,360
Speaker 1: Am I adding value? And you start to have doubts, um,

2453
02:16:40,400 --> 02:16:42,560
Speaker 1: And I think it's very easy for us to focus

2454
02:16:42,600 --> 02:16:48,600
Speaker 1: on fears, right, and uh, and am I creative enough?

2455
02:16:48,680 --> 02:16:53,879
Speaker 1: Am I is this film becoming what I wanted to be? Uh?

2456
02:16:53,959 --> 02:16:57,320
Speaker 1: And when I focus on that, you're focusing on fear.

2457
02:16:58,280 --> 02:17:00,600
Speaker 1: But when I focus on I believe eve I can

2458
02:17:00,640 --> 02:17:03,760
Speaker 1: do this. I believe that this is making a difference.

2459
02:17:03,800 --> 02:17:06,600
Speaker 1: I believe this is important for me. I believe that

2460
02:17:06,680 --> 02:17:11,840
Speaker 1: I can make a film or or you know, interview

2461
02:17:11,959 --> 02:17:14,199
Speaker 1: or do some stuff that, read a book and share

2462
02:17:14,240 --> 02:17:17,640
Speaker 1: that that that's going to make a difference. And Uh,

2463
02:17:17,760 --> 02:17:20,640
Speaker 1: when I focus on that. And in the faith, faith

2464
02:17:20,680 --> 02:17:23,320
Speaker 1: and fear don't really go together. You know, a belief

2465
02:17:23,360 --> 02:17:26,160
Speaker 1: that you can do something or a fear that you can't,

2466
02:17:26,160 --> 02:17:28,880
Speaker 1: they're totally different. It's like it's like a shield almost

2467
02:17:28,879 --> 02:17:30,960
Speaker 1: Like I feel like we're gonna have negative things are

2468
02:17:30,959 --> 02:17:32,760
Speaker 1: gonna come at us. We are going to have fears

2469
02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:35,040
Speaker 1: are gonna come at us. And if you can learn

2470
02:17:35,160 --> 02:17:37,160
Speaker 1: to identify that and say, okay, here it comes. I

2471
02:17:37,240 --> 02:17:38,640
Speaker 1: know what's happening, I know what's going on in my

2472
02:17:38,640 --> 02:17:40,200
Speaker 1: head right now, and then you know, okay, now I

2473
02:17:40,200 --> 02:17:43,440
Speaker 1: put that shield. I'm gonna believe I'm going to be positive.

2474
02:17:43,720 --> 02:17:49,039
Speaker 1: It sounds so cliche, but the truth is that's what

2475
02:17:49,160 --> 02:17:52,280
Speaker 1: I think. And it's it's that like, this is life stuff,

2476
02:17:52,520 --> 02:17:54,640
Speaker 1: and then this is also some of the best hunting

2477
02:17:54,680 --> 02:17:56,320
Speaker 1: advice you're ever gonna get, I think, because if you

2478
02:17:56,320 --> 02:18:02,080
Speaker 1: can apply these mental um to rules I suppose to

2479
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:03,920
Speaker 1: what you're trying to achieve in the woods are in

2480
02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:06,960
Speaker 1: the mountains, dude. It goes back to if you don't

2481
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:09,320
Speaker 1: believe you're gonna be able to kill a blacktail buck,

2482
02:18:10,520 --> 02:18:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, on Saturday when you're heading out, then you're

2483
02:18:13,400 --> 02:18:16,120
Speaker 1: not gonna You're not going to decent your clothes the

2484
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:19,560
Speaker 1: way you really should. You're not gonna wear the rubber boots,

2485
02:18:19,600 --> 02:18:23,240
Speaker 1: You're not gonna you're not gonna shoot your bow. There's

2486
02:18:23,240 --> 02:18:24,880
Speaker 1: all these things you're not gonna do because you're like,

2487
02:18:24,920 --> 02:18:27,400
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work anyway. Yes, it's so mental and

2488
02:18:27,400 --> 02:18:29,720
Speaker 1: and so when you have faith and you believe, then

2489
02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:32,800
Speaker 1: you do all these activities that lead to success. I

2490
02:18:32,920 --> 02:18:36,400
Speaker 1: just I think you have to combat fear with with

2491
02:18:36,480 --> 02:18:40,320
Speaker 1: belief and and if you if you don't um it's

2492
02:18:40,320 --> 02:18:44,200
Speaker 1: self fulfilling. You know, your failure is it can happen.

2493
02:18:44,480 --> 02:18:46,240
Speaker 1: And the thing is is again it goes back to,

2494
02:18:46,400 --> 02:18:49,240
Speaker 1: so it didn't work out, I'm grateful that I spent

2495
02:18:49,320 --> 02:18:54,240
Speaker 1: a whole day in the wilderness, like taking in creation, right,

2496
02:18:54,280 --> 02:18:57,640
Speaker 1: like taking in the world. It's it's an amazing place.

2497
02:18:57,680 --> 02:19:02,600
Speaker 1: So it all goes back to to you know, success

2498
02:19:02,640 --> 02:19:05,080
Speaker 1: in the mountains or in the in the woods. It's

2499
02:19:05,600 --> 02:19:10,360
Speaker 1: the same, Um, there really is. And I love talking

2500
02:19:10,360 --> 02:19:13,840
Speaker 1: about this stuff. Yeah you Um. I feel like we

2501
02:19:13,879 --> 02:19:17,959
Speaker 1: share a lot of similar reading interests. Um for people

2502
02:19:18,120 --> 02:19:21,240
Speaker 1: listening that want to learn a little bit more, just

2503
02:19:21,320 --> 02:19:23,840
Speaker 1: kind of engage in these types of discussions a little

2504
02:19:23,840 --> 02:19:26,320
Speaker 1: bit more with a book. Um, do you have anything

2505
02:19:26,360 --> 02:19:30,440
Speaker 1: you'd recommend? Yeah, um, I guess, And there's some of

2506
02:19:30,480 --> 02:19:33,280
Speaker 1: the same things that I would Yeah, you know. I

2507
02:19:33,320 --> 02:19:37,199
Speaker 1: did a podcast on Extreme Ownership with that Jocko Willing

2508
02:19:37,320 --> 02:19:41,039
Speaker 1: wrote and uh, that's one of our highest downloaded podcasts

2509
02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:44,800
Speaker 1: of all time. And it's really it's ironic because it's

2510
02:19:44,840 --> 02:19:47,560
Speaker 1: not a hunting podcast really, I mean, it's it's a

2511
02:19:47,560 --> 02:19:49,680
Speaker 1: flat out book review, right, And we talked about the

2512
02:19:49,680 --> 02:19:52,360
Speaker 1: book now it ties in Corey Jacobson and I did

2513
02:19:52,400 --> 02:19:55,920
Speaker 1: it and uh, Jordan Harbertson have Mountains and it was

2514
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:58,160
Speaker 1: a good it was great. And then we did another

2515
02:19:58,200 --> 02:20:01,760
Speaker 1: one called Ego as the Enemy, and I feel like

2516
02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:06,480
Speaker 1: that was that book is so um important in our

2517
02:20:06,520 --> 02:20:09,920
Speaker 1: time right now, where you can just say whatever you

2518
02:20:09,959 --> 02:20:12,760
Speaker 1: want on the Internet and people are kind of out

2519
02:20:12,760 --> 02:20:16,160
Speaker 1: of touch with reality, and um, it's very easy to

2520
02:20:16,320 --> 02:20:19,600
Speaker 1: just I don't know, ego seems to just be a

2521
02:20:20,240 --> 02:20:23,280
Speaker 1: huge I just see it everywhere I turn, and I

2522
02:20:23,280 --> 02:20:27,879
Speaker 1: don't our culture kind of cultivates. The book was very

2523
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:29,920
Speaker 1: enlightening for a lot of people. I mean, it's funny

2524
02:20:29,920 --> 02:20:34,840
Speaker 1: Corey Jacobson an Elk one on one He's like Ryan,

2525
02:20:34,879 --> 02:20:37,879
Speaker 1: I got halfway through the book and the whole time

2526
02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:41,959
Speaker 1: I was thinking, Man, this is just like my buddy

2527
02:20:41,959 --> 02:20:45,400
Speaker 1: so and so. Man, this is just like so and So.

2528
02:20:45,879 --> 02:20:48,200
Speaker 1: He gets halfway through the book and he's like, oh

2529
02:20:48,240 --> 02:20:51,640
Speaker 1: my gosh, this book has been talking about me the

2530
02:20:51,720 --> 02:20:54,920
Speaker 1: whole time. That was a huge eye opener. And I

2531
02:20:54,959 --> 02:20:58,360
Speaker 1: think that you can't combat pride and ego if you

2532
02:20:58,400 --> 02:21:01,959
Speaker 1: don't really see it. And so I think that's a

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02:21:02,040 --> 02:21:04,320
Speaker 1: hugely important book. So we covered both of those and

2534
02:21:04,320 --> 02:21:06,840
Speaker 1: that's why we did that. But the other books I

2535
02:21:06,879 --> 02:21:09,640
Speaker 1: really like. Um, Jocko. Willing just did a book review

2536
02:21:09,800 --> 02:21:13,400
Speaker 1: on Man Search for Meaning by Victor Frankel. Haven't I've

2537
02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:16,440
Speaker 1: read that book at least twenty times, man searching for Meaning,

2538
02:21:16,760 --> 02:21:20,840
Speaker 1: Man's search for mean, Man's search for meaning, and a

2539
02:21:20,920 --> 02:21:23,520
Speaker 1: kid you not at least twenty times. It's a short read,

2540
02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:26,160
Speaker 1: but I have read it at least once a year

2541
02:21:26,200 --> 02:21:30,680
Speaker 1: for twenty years. And uh. He is a Nazi concentration

2542
02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:35,080
Speaker 1: camp survivor, a Jewish Holocaust survivor, and he talks about

2543
02:21:36,040 --> 02:21:40,119
Speaker 1: just Jocko approached it from a different angle than uh,

2544
02:21:40,120 --> 02:21:42,240
Speaker 1: than I've kind of ever thought. I thought about it

2545
02:21:42,280 --> 02:21:45,640
Speaker 1: in those terms, but you know, he's definitely approached it

2546
02:21:45,640 --> 02:21:48,000
Speaker 1: from a slightly different angle than me. Um, it was

2547
02:21:48,040 --> 02:21:50,840
Speaker 1: a great podcast to hear him go over it. But

2548
02:21:50,920 --> 02:21:56,320
Speaker 1: it's a that to me is a life changing book. Um.

2549
02:21:56,440 --> 02:21:59,160
Speaker 1: Then the other ones are like, you know when people

2550
02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:01,760
Speaker 1: ask me, how did you Gritty Bowman and blah blah blah. Well,

2551
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:04,520
Speaker 1: a big part of that was, you know, the Total

2552
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:09,360
Speaker 1: Money Makeover with Dave Ramsey and Financial Peace University, getting

2553
02:22:09,360 --> 02:22:12,520
Speaker 1: out of debt and learning to manage my finances better

2554
02:22:12,560 --> 02:22:15,560
Speaker 1: and saving and planning in the four hour work week

2555
02:22:15,600 --> 02:22:19,359
Speaker 1: by Tim Ferris. That was huge. That's how I negotiated. Eventually,

2556
02:22:19,360 --> 02:22:22,080
Speaker 1: I was working from home three days a week and

2557
02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:24,800
Speaker 1: only going to the office to which that allowed me

2558
02:22:24,840 --> 02:22:27,920
Speaker 1: to do Gritty Bowman on the side. So getting my

2559
02:22:27,959 --> 02:22:30,360
Speaker 1: finances in order, getting that career in order, and then

2560
02:22:30,440 --> 02:22:32,800
Speaker 1: chasing some dreams through four hour week work week. And

2561
02:22:32,840 --> 02:22:34,320
Speaker 1: then since then I've read a lot of what Tim

2562
02:22:34,360 --> 02:22:37,480
Speaker 1: Ferris has produced and good stuff. So those are some

2563
02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:42,480
Speaker 1: of the big highlights for me that that influenced, especially

2564
02:22:42,840 --> 02:22:47,560
Speaker 1: in recent times. But I have an Audible account, and

2565
02:22:47,720 --> 02:22:52,720
Speaker 1: I've had one since Audible launched audiobook account, and I

2566
02:22:52,760 --> 02:22:56,760
Speaker 1: get like four credits or two credits a month I

2567
02:22:56,760 --> 02:22:59,360
Speaker 1: can't remember now. I get two bucks a month basically

2568
02:22:59,360 --> 02:23:01,840
Speaker 1: for twenty bucks, so they're about ten bucks each, and

2569
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:03,440
Speaker 1: then I buy an extra one here and there, but

2570
02:23:03,520 --> 02:23:06,119
Speaker 1: I probably I use my credits every month. I read

2571
02:23:06,840 --> 02:23:09,240
Speaker 1: or listen to an Audible two books a month, and

2572
02:23:09,280 --> 02:23:11,440
Speaker 1: now I've got hundreds of books in that inventory because

2573
02:23:11,480 --> 02:23:14,400
Speaker 1: it's been since it's been more than ten years since

2574
02:23:14,440 --> 02:23:17,959
Speaker 1: I've since I've done that, and so a lot of

2575
02:23:17,959 --> 02:23:20,520
Speaker 1: books out there. Man that are I say man, Dave

2576
02:23:20,600 --> 02:23:23,040
Speaker 1: Ramsey says, you're the same person today that you are

2577
02:23:24,280 --> 02:23:26,600
Speaker 1: twenty years from now, except for the books you read,

2578
02:23:26,720 --> 02:23:29,640
Speaker 1: read and the people you meet. I like Ryan HOLLI

2579
02:23:30,200 --> 02:23:32,520
Speaker 1: Ryan Holliday, who wrote the Ugo as the Enemy. He's

2580
02:23:32,560 --> 02:23:35,000
Speaker 1: kind of enabled me. It had been a bad way.

2581
02:23:35,080 --> 02:23:36,720
Speaker 1: Maybe people it's a good way. But I tell my

2582
02:23:36,760 --> 02:23:39,039
Speaker 1: wife and she shakes her head because he always talks

2583
02:23:39,080 --> 02:23:42,160
Speaker 1: about that. A book is a purchase that isn't you

2584
02:23:42,480 --> 02:23:45,119
Speaker 1: is never the wrong purchase because you are giving yourself

2585
02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:47,520
Speaker 1: the opportunity to walk in someone else's shoes, or to

2586
02:23:47,959 --> 02:23:50,280
Speaker 1: open the door into a different world, to see the

2587
02:23:50,320 --> 02:23:52,240
Speaker 1: world in a different way, to learn something. Every time

2588
02:23:52,280 --> 02:23:54,959
Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to learn something that's worth that's

2589
02:23:55,000 --> 02:23:59,119
Speaker 1: worth any dollar amount. I agree, And yeah, I think

2590
02:23:59,720 --> 02:24:02,840
Speaker 1: just always learning exploring these things. Another one he wrote,

2591
02:24:02,840 --> 02:24:06,360
Speaker 1: did you read The Obstacles Away? Yeah? I actually posted

2592
02:24:06,400 --> 02:24:09,600
Speaker 1: that on Instagram two days ago. Um, that was the

2593
02:24:09,640 --> 02:24:12,440
Speaker 1: one we we call we started what we call gritty

2594
02:24:12,680 --> 02:24:15,800
Speaker 1: book Club. I've seen that and uh, I'd love to Uh,

2595
02:24:15,879 --> 02:24:19,240
Speaker 1: I'd love to do. Can I be in your book club?

2596
02:24:20,520 --> 02:24:23,480
Speaker 1: Nobody else ever reads these books? And I Randy Newberg's

2597
02:24:23,480 --> 02:24:26,280
Speaker 1: in it now. He uh, he wants to join. We're

2598
02:24:26,280 --> 02:24:29,520
Speaker 1: gonna do a couple of books on conservation nice where

2599
02:24:29,600 --> 02:24:32,080
Speaker 1: we're he's he's he's, you know, read a ton of

2600
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:34,840
Speaker 1: those books, and I'm like, you know, deficient in this space.

2601
02:24:34,879 --> 02:24:37,120
Speaker 1: So we're gonna read it and then talk about it.

2602
02:24:37,160 --> 02:24:41,240
Speaker 1: But the Gritty Book Club is just, um, we read

2603
02:24:41,280 --> 02:24:43,400
Speaker 1: a book, you know, me and a friend or a

2604
02:24:43,400 --> 02:24:45,840
Speaker 1: couple of friends, and then we do a podcast about it,

2605
02:24:46,080 --> 02:24:49,960
Speaker 1: and it's sort of just not really the core podcast,

2606
02:24:50,040 --> 02:24:55,720
Speaker 1: but um there. I love the idea of exposing people

2607
02:24:55,800 --> 02:24:58,800
Speaker 1: to We can talk about it for an hour, right

2608
02:24:59,040 --> 02:25:01,039
Speaker 1: hour and a half, two hour whatever it is. But

2609
02:25:01,840 --> 02:25:04,280
Speaker 1: when you when you sit down with that book in

2610
02:25:04,320 --> 02:25:07,280
Speaker 1: your own and you read, you know, a book that

2611
02:25:07,320 --> 02:25:10,280
Speaker 1: takes twenty five hours to get through, It's way more

2612
02:25:10,320 --> 02:25:13,160
Speaker 1: than I could tell you in fe hours and written

2613
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:15,600
Speaker 1: in such a way that someone puts her their heart

2614
02:25:15,640 --> 02:25:18,720
Speaker 1: and soul into it, and I think it's that's really

2615
02:25:18,720 --> 02:25:21,400
Speaker 1: life changing stuff. So I like to I like, I

2616
02:25:21,480 --> 02:25:27,120
Speaker 1: like to do it. Um and uh So, Obstacles the

2617
02:25:27,160 --> 02:25:29,600
Speaker 1: Way is the next one that Corey and I we've

2618
02:25:29,640 --> 02:25:32,000
Speaker 1: finished reading it. Jordan and I are on it for

2619
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:33,920
Speaker 1: a second time, so we're supposed to get together and

2620
02:25:33,959 --> 02:25:37,800
Speaker 1: discuss that one. But that one is really good speaks

2621
02:25:37,840 --> 02:25:39,160
Speaker 1: to a lot of things we've been talking about here

2622
02:25:39,200 --> 02:25:46,680
Speaker 1: the last minutes. What's your favorite fiction book, favorite fiction book. Wow, Okay,

2623
02:25:46,800 --> 02:25:51,040
Speaker 1: well I'm a nerd, so my feeling you know that,

2624
02:25:51,200 --> 02:25:53,560
Speaker 1: I know you know where I'm going with this. I

2625
02:25:53,600 --> 02:25:56,080
Speaker 1: love it. I love it. I love the Lord of

2626
02:25:56,080 --> 02:25:59,400
Speaker 1: the Rings, The Lord of the Rings. Every now and

2627
02:25:59,440 --> 02:26:01,320
Speaker 1: then I got to send you a text or like

2628
02:26:01,400 --> 02:26:05,720
Speaker 1: make fun of Jordan Harvardson Jordan knows us up and

2629
02:26:05,879 --> 02:26:08,879
Speaker 1: off the wisdom, but it's it's yeah, it's a little

2630
02:26:08,879 --> 02:26:13,400
Speaker 1: nerdy wizards, wizards and elves and everything, but it's the

2631
02:26:13,520 --> 02:26:15,960
Speaker 1: it's the hero's tale that we all live in some

2632
02:26:16,080 --> 02:26:19,240
Speaker 1: weird way where you know, it's phenomenal and there's there

2633
02:26:19,400 --> 02:26:22,840
Speaker 1: really is wisdom in there. And I know that might

2634
02:26:22,879 --> 02:26:24,959
Speaker 1: seem weird, but to read the book and there is

2635
02:26:25,560 --> 02:26:29,920
Speaker 1: wisdom and their lessons learned and creativity. Yeah, and it's

2636
02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:36,880
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's pretty cool. I agree. I read, uh,

2637
02:26:36,920 --> 02:26:40,080
Speaker 1: I read. I asked nonfiction because I I think that

2638
02:26:40,160 --> 02:26:42,560
Speaker 1: it's hugely impactful as well. You know, I'm a big

2639
02:26:42,560 --> 02:26:46,640
Speaker 1: fan of Harry Potter too. I love Harry Potter. I've

2640
02:26:46,680 --> 02:26:49,480
Speaker 1: read those couple of times. I'd like to read it

2641
02:26:49,520 --> 02:26:53,400
Speaker 1: with my kids, and um, I think those stretch yourself too.

2642
02:26:53,400 --> 02:26:57,959
Speaker 1: So it's not all about nonfiction. Yeah, I'd love to

2643
02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:01,560
Speaker 1: read it. So, but we did work for Google. Did

2644
02:27:01,560 --> 02:27:04,600
Speaker 1: work for Google. You're one of those educated types like

2645
02:27:04,680 --> 02:27:07,880
Speaker 1: that college kids. I always thought that I somehow slipped

2646
02:27:07,840 --> 02:27:09,480
Speaker 1: through the cracks when I was working there. I just

2647
02:27:09,600 --> 02:27:11,280
Speaker 1: kept I was always waiting for someone to walk up,

2648
02:27:11,320 --> 02:27:13,200
Speaker 1: like Tatman the shoulder and say, hey, you're not to

2649
02:27:13,280 --> 02:27:17,120
Speaker 1: be here. We don't know how this happened. Somehow I

2650
02:27:17,200 --> 02:27:19,920
Speaker 1: made it through. But we're getting kicked out of our

2651
02:27:20,040 --> 02:27:22,400
Speaker 1: little outdoor studio here. Yeah, yeah, so we're gonna have

2652
02:27:22,440 --> 02:27:24,680
Speaker 1: to shut it down. But dude, and thank you. I

2653
02:27:24,720 --> 02:27:26,760
Speaker 1: just want to say thanks for having me on the podcast.

2654
02:27:26,920 --> 02:27:30,120
Speaker 1: It's pretty nat. I've been a big fan of all

2655
02:27:30,160 --> 02:27:32,960
Speaker 1: your work and what you've done for for a long time.

2656
02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you were the first person that did a

2657
02:27:35,480 --> 02:27:38,360
Speaker 1: podcast in the outdoor industry that I reached out to,

2658
02:27:39,160 --> 02:27:43,039
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I just I really appreciate what you

2659
02:27:43,080 --> 02:27:45,520
Speaker 1: do and I'm glad I got to be on your show.

2660
02:27:45,640 --> 02:27:48,320
Speaker 1: We did right back at it. It's been really cool

2661
02:27:48,360 --> 02:27:50,480
Speaker 1: to see what you've been able to do and the

2662
02:27:50,480 --> 02:27:53,160
Speaker 1: the positive difference you're making. And if anyone's not already

2663
02:27:53,360 --> 02:27:56,040
Speaker 1: checking out the Gritty Bowman. You guys are doing great work.

2664
02:27:56,040 --> 02:28:00,880
Speaker 1: You should check it out, subscribe, listen, and um, they

2665
02:28:00,879 --> 02:28:02,640
Speaker 1: can find that anywhere. They can find the Wire Dump

2666
02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:07,560
Speaker 1: podcast right iTunes, pod Bean, Stitcher, YouTube. That's one thing

2667
02:28:07,600 --> 02:28:10,840
Speaker 1: that is a little different. Like I've done video episodes

2668
02:28:10,959 --> 02:28:15,360
Speaker 1: since we started. In general, you know, I don't, I don't.

2669
02:28:15,440 --> 02:28:19,800
Speaker 1: I most people just listen, but the video is out

2670
02:28:19,800 --> 02:28:21,840
Speaker 1: there for some folks, which is cool. If I have

2671
02:28:21,879 --> 02:28:26,640
Speaker 1: an attractive guest, the viewing goes up. You know, it's

2672
02:28:26,680 --> 02:28:28,960
Speaker 1: like a thing. It's kind of funny. There's a pretty

2673
02:28:29,000 --> 02:28:30,879
Speaker 1: girl on the podcast, and then all of a sudden,

2674
02:28:30,959 --> 02:28:36,280
Speaker 1: my views. Well, I've always wanted to be a video mine,

2675
02:28:36,440 --> 02:28:40,640
Speaker 1: but I live in country, back of the woods, corn Belt,

2676
02:28:40,680 --> 02:28:44,400
Speaker 1: and my internet is so bad I can't even upload video,

2677
02:28:44,480 --> 02:28:48,640
Speaker 1: let alone stream. Yeah, I'm having that problem to an evergreen, Um,

2678
02:28:48,680 --> 02:28:51,000
Speaker 1: just a pocket of rats. I end up going to

2679
02:28:51,040 --> 02:28:53,360
Speaker 1: the coffee shop a lot more than I thought. That's

2680
02:28:53,360 --> 02:28:54,720
Speaker 1: what I have to do a lot too. And then

2681
02:28:54,760 --> 02:28:58,680
Speaker 1: I pay for ridiculously expensive data plans from Verizon and

2682
02:28:58,800 --> 02:29:03,880
Speaker 1: use that it. Yes, so great time with this man,

2683
02:29:04,200 --> 02:29:08,440
Speaker 1: you appreciate it. Let's talk more, all right, and that's

2684
02:29:08,480 --> 02:29:11,280
Speaker 1: going to be it. Thanks for sticking around for what

2685
02:29:11,360 --> 02:29:14,520
Speaker 1: I believe it's been our longest podcast yet. But I

2686
02:29:14,520 --> 02:29:16,960
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed, especially what we got to here towards

2687
02:29:17,040 --> 02:29:20,120
Speaker 1: the end. This topic of the mental side of hunting

2688
02:29:20,440 --> 02:29:24,120
Speaker 1: and life. I think it's very very important as something

2689
02:29:24,160 --> 02:29:26,600
Speaker 1: we typically don't think about, but it really can have

2690
02:29:26,640 --> 02:29:29,040
Speaker 1: a significant impact on your life when you start being

2691
02:29:29,080 --> 02:29:32,800
Speaker 1: mindful of that. So I hope you enjoyed it. I

2692
02:29:32,840 --> 02:29:34,680
Speaker 1: just want to give you another reminder, like I talked

2693
02:29:34,680 --> 02:29:37,879
Speaker 1: about at the top here, we're doing the live podcast

2694
02:29:38,200 --> 02:29:41,000
Speaker 1: next week July twenty one, down in New Orleans at

2695
02:29:41,000 --> 02:29:44,959
Speaker 1: the Quality Deer Management Association National Convention. Would love to

2696
02:29:44,959 --> 02:29:48,400
Speaker 1: see you guys there, so be sure to check that out.

2697
02:29:48,879 --> 02:29:53,600
Speaker 1: AM at the convention on July one, and then eight

2698
02:29:53,640 --> 02:29:55,400
Speaker 1: pm that night, we're gonna do a wire to hunt

2699
02:29:55,400 --> 02:29:57,120
Speaker 1: and meet up. I'd be awesome to see you there

2700
02:29:57,160 --> 02:30:00,520
Speaker 1: as well. So that's all for me. Thank you are listening.

2701
02:30:00,560 --> 02:30:03,720
Speaker 1: Big things to our partners at Sitka Gear YETI Cooler's,

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02:30:03,760 --> 02:30:07,240
Speaker 1: Matthew's Archery, Mayben Optics, the white Tail inst to North America,

2703
02:30:07,560 --> 02:30:11,480
Speaker 1: Trophy Ridge and Hunt Terra Maps, and of course thank

2704
02:30:11,520 --> 02:30:13,560
Speaker 1: you all so much for listening. I hope you have

2705
02:30:13,800 --> 02:30:17,080
Speaker 1: an amazing day and amazing week, and until next time,

2706
02:30:17,640 --> 02:30:19,760
Speaker 1: stay wired to Hunt.