WEBVTT - Brothers, This Is For You 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.800 Native Land Pot is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:04.000 with Resent Choice Medium. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.280 Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:08.360 Welcome, Welcome Home. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:12.399 Y'all's episode forty five. The same age as me on 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:14.880 this podcast. Almost the same age as Angel. It's the 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:15.920 same age as Andrew. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:23.640 Yeah, the presidency forty five, but you look twenty three, Angels. 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:27.440 Are we trying? Are trying you? 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:29.880 You're gonna correct me? Tell me your real agent? 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:32.920 Anyway? 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:38.720 Anyway, any day, No friend, I'm trying to take you 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.040 back to a moment in time when you were in 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:43.040 an interview with someone and that comment was. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.640 Oh, well it wouldn't It would not be the show 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.200 if Andrew did not throw some shape. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.960 Anyway. Let me finish introducing y'all. 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:54.720 I'm Tiffany Cross here with the rowdy rattler, Andrew Gillham 0:00:55.200 --> 0:01:01.040 and the dopest MC and the former beauty since the Week, ANGELA. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:07.959 Right Jet tip. 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:09.920 I actually think you wanted to be a Jet Beauty 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:12.080 of the Week. I didn't want to be on the whisker. 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.200 I wanted to be on the covera Jet. I don't 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.560 think that that's going I want to be both, yes. 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:20.479 Okay, Tif was tif was what new. 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.360 I missed back with Hall? I was missed back with Hall. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:31.400 Record anyway picture in this episode that would be excellent. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.720 For sure, Nick, I'll send you that picture and I 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:35.360 would like it dropped and I would like it up 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:37.039 in the corner during the entire episode. 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:37.399 Please. 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.960 All right, Uh, Angela, you just got back from Michigan, 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:44.320 so let's get into it. I want to hear what 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:45.720 we're talking about today, what y'all got. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:47.760 Well, the thing that I really want to talk about 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:52.400 is also some kudos to Leonard's Charlemagne McKelvey and also 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.240 to Kamala Harris. They did a fantastic interview that I 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.480 got to see yesterday, So I do want to talk 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:58.000 about that. 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.800 Well, y'all, There's been some developments on the elections front, 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:06.920 elections law rulings in Georgia and Tiffany, I think, like you, 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.200 I would like to address the environment we find ourselves 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:14.000 as relates to the political violence as we lead into election. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:15.920 This is going to be about surviving election day and 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:17.359 surviving the aftermath. 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.919 That's super like a super serious issue for me, is 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:22.600 very personal to me. And I'll tell you guys why 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.079 when we get into that. In the episode. But I'm 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:26.840 glad that you brought that up, Andrew, because I definitely 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:31.560 want to talk about that. Can I just say that 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:33.840 I really miss you guys, and I'm looking forward to 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.440 being with you guys Andela when am I seeing you? 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.880 Guess what? We just announced the Bring It Home Tour 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.720 right in time for Election Day, which is just around 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.079 the corner. You guys know what. We count down every 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.239 single week, so we will be in Detroit right by 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:52.640 Piston's Land this weekend. We're very, very excited to be 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.520 there to really bring it home to ensure that we 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:57.320 get out the votes. That is the first day of 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.080 early voting in Michigan. We have some special guests that 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.480 you all have seen before on this podcast and some 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:04.919 that you have not, so that will be our first stop. 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.320 Tip It's this Saturday, which is what is that date? 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:13.680 October eighteenth, nineteenth, one of these days. No, it's definitely 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:18.839 the nineteenth. It's October. It's October nineteenth. This is why 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.079 we don't schedule. 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.000 So come holler at us the day Sin We'll see 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.400 you in the date SI on Saturday, October nineteenth. We 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.520 look forward to seeing you out there at the Piston 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.480 Land can show. 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.919 What up though, though. Okay, so, as we just talked about, 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.640 you guys, I really got to sit down and be 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.120 proud of a really incredible moment in Detroit yesterday. As 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:43.560 you all know, Kamala Harris is running neck in neck 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.800 and neck to Donald Trump in Michigan, and there was 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.560 an incredible idea put together to do a radio based 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:53.400 town hall with black men, questions being asked by a 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.640 black man, Charlemagne the God, and questions being asked by 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:01.840 Detroit residents everything from the economy to reparation to the 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.120 plan to get folks out of poverty and into the 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.839 middle class of Kamala Harris, right after she rolled out 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:10.640 her plan for black men, she first talked about this 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.480 on an interview with Roland Martin, our friend Roland Martin 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.159 and Roland Martin Unfiltered. She rolled that plan out, and 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.960 she continued to talk about that plan with Lenard yesterday, 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:21.920 and I got to tell you, guys, it was really 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.719 really impressive. I think my favorite moment in that interview 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:30.040 was also one point five billion social media impressions later. 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:34.880 My favorite moment was watching her engage with these black 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.160 men of faith leader in Michigan who talked about the 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.200 importance of outreach to the faith community, her name dropping 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.960 her own pastor, and even getting to right a moment 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:48.760 where we see someone else who claims blackness and fans blackness, 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.000 who didn't know that when you say God is good, 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:55.360 the response is did Kamala Harris nailed that as well? 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.800 So I think it was really really powerful. I know 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:59.520 we're going to run a clip later in this program, 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.200 but I loved hear what you all thought. I thought 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.320 it was a really good interview, super timely, and it 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:04.960 looks like it was going over really really well. We 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.120 should also talk about mainstream media's response to this. I 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.520 look forward to hearing y'all spot Yeah. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:11.960 I mean, I think, you know, I'm kind of looking 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.200 at this in the larger context of her outreach to 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.920 black men, because she's really done I think a really 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.479 impressive job with that. When she we talked last week 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.960 when she sat down with All the Smoke, of course 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.839 you just talked about. She sat down this week with Charlemagne, 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.680 she sat down with Roland Martin unfiltered. So you know, 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:34.640 I'd love to acknowledge that she is going into places 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.880 and meeting voters where they are, and so I hope 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.599 that's well received. It's a really different a different political 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.880 landscape and political environment now, and not everybody's watching debates, 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:49.000 not everybody is watching legacy media, and sometimes it really 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.719 is just a clippable SoundBite that pops up on your feed, 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.240 and that's going to be the only place that someone 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.320 might hear your message. So I think the more places 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.599 she is, then the more likely it is that people 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:00.640 will hear from her message. I would like to get 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.120 into the meat of what she's offering, you know, because 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.720 it's not just about showing up and shaking hands and 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.360 saying a little phrase, even though that is that has 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.880 such credo in our community, but I think the actual 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:15.080 policies that she's putting forth actually matter. So, Andrew, you're 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:16.960 a black man on the panel, I'd love to hear 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:17.800 your thoughts about it. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.200 A black man, and certainly not the voice for all 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.479 of us, which I think is really where I want 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:27.000 to start with this is her respect, her respect enough 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:31.279 for black men to even put an agenda forward right 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:36.200 and to say I reject the premise of the question 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.120 of why aren't black men with you? I don't take 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.760 any voting group for granted. I have to go out there, 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.440 work for it, ask for it, present them a reason 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:48.520 to be for me. And quite frankly, even absent that agenda, 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.640 black men have been by and large for her as 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.920 probably the second largest dedicated constituency group of any group 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.760 out there in America, behind black women supporting Kamala Harris. 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.359 But the humility that she brought to it, but also 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.400 the strength I think in the conversation by saying, Hey, 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.880 I'm not just here as a mouthpiece. Let me bring it. 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.880 And in my form of bringing it, are these receipts 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.640 known as a policy agenda for Black men in America. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.160 I remember an election not so long ago where the 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.800 question was asked, what is your agenda for Black America 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.240 and Black men in America? And the response was the 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.560 agenda for the country is the agenda for black men? 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:33.400 And while I love to receive that as the proper answer, 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.120 We're gonna have to look at the history books the 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:41.520 disproportionately When you have communities that are disproportionately impacted by 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.400 systems structures in this country, then you absolutely have to 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.440 have a remedy that speaks directly to them, and I 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.640 think that's what this agenda does. Angela. I'm sure you 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.760 probably want to break down a couple of the points 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.400 that you heard, but I was especially interested in the 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.880 piece around the small business support for those who want 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.000 to start new businesses and that those grants, I mean, 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.800 those loans can be then formed made into the form 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.880 of a grant that don't have to be repaired. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.600 You know, yeah, one million loans that are fully forgetting 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:09.720 black entrepreneurs. 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:09.880 You know. 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:11.920 The other thing is a lot of people have been 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:17.240 focusing on the graphic they saw that announces her agenda, 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.120 and there was even an article that was out in 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.720 NPR a couple of days ago that says, Kamala Harris 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:29.080 rolls out black men agenda targeting the legalization of cannabis 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:33.199 and making more accessible cryptocurrency. I probably have fumbled this headline. 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.760 Put that picture up for me, and what you will 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.720 see is one this agenda is actually nine pages long. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.760 She doesn't just talk about crypto and cannabis. And furthermore, 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.600 it wasn't just about the legalization of cannabis. It was 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.080 actually ensuring that black men have an on ramp to 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.960 get in the cannabis industry period make moneys from it, 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.360 not just be penalized for whatever their past uses or 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.360 distribution of it was. I also think it's important to 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.199 realize black folks, to your point Andrew, are not monolithic. 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.960 And when you talk about black people and their on 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.640 wrap into the economy and upper mobility, we also have 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.840 to talk about black farmers. She does that in this 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.960 nine page plan. It's not included in this graphic, So 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.720 there are a lot of pieces to this. Black folks 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.760 don't just cary care about justice reform. If we don't 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.200 just carry about voting rights, we don't just carry about transportation. 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.120 We don't just care about the economy. We don't just 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.000 care about healthcare. We care about all of those things 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.040 because we are holistic beings existing in this country, and 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.840 this plant addresses every aspect of those things. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.280 I love that she said, you know, a black agenda 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.120 is more than just an agenda around criminal justice reform. 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.880 Criminal justice reform is important, no doubt about it, partially 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.720 because of the systems and structures that exist that disproportionately 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.840 target us and impact us in our families, but it 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.600 isn't the only thing. And I appreciate her quite frankly 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:56.320 putting economics centerfold, because every black man that I know 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:01.080 every proud one wants to work provide for themselves and 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.920 for their families. Nobody then out here asking begging for 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.640 anybody's hand out that the same opportunities that exist for 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:10.120 everybody else, everyone else, so that we can make away 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.320 for ourselves and for for for the families that we 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.959 care about and love. So where can people go? 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:17.400 Oh, sorry, go ahead, go ahead? 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:19.000 No, no, please go ahead. I was I was going to 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.000 ask Angela where people go to get the full agenda? 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.600 Was her website? You can literally go to her website. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.120 I think the breakfast cut for those of you follow 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:31.960 also allowed for greater enumeration of the agenda. And of 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.240 course we referenced name check. Roland Martin show is another 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:35.920 another place. 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.480 But go ahead and shout out to Row forgetting that 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:39.280 interview as well. 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:39.760 That's real. 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:43.319 I you were saying something, Andrew, and we were talking 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:48.240 before the show started, and you were saying how basically 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:52.079 you were like, I'm happy that the mainstream media, you know, like. 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.520 Well, yeah, that I that I heard that I heard 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.600 on television. That's more mainstream cable news from white male 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:05.480 and a Tino hosts or panelists who were saying saying 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:10.000 Kamala Harris presents a black agenda for black men, and 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.760 they weren't talking about it in a disparaging way, which 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:18.800 is uncustomary to me. I can't every time before prior 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.400 to this point, when I've heard a black agenda and 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.280 a black this, folks have basically set it to the side, 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.920 patted it on the head before they then ranted in 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.760 some sort of insult as to why should there be 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:32.360 a separate da da da da da dada? Well, why 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.840 should there be a separate women's agenda? Why should there 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.959 be agenda for Wall Street? Why should so? Why why 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:41.559 does all these other constituencies get an agenda? And then 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.880 when it's referenced that black men are being prioritized by 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.080 way of policy change to improve their lives and livelihoods, 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.040 that it's all of a sudden a problem. 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.520 Yeah, yeah, So I'm kind of torn on how I 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:57.120 feel about that. So one, I think the main important 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.000 thing is Vice President Harris has put forth a solid 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.679 policy agenda for black men. There is no more excuse 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:05.800 for someone to say, she's not speaking to me, what 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:07.520 has she done for me? What is she going to 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.000 do for me? Like at this point, you are participating 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:15.240 in willful ignorance if you continue to spread that mistruth, 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.880 and we have seen that all across social media. I've 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.880 heard that in different conversation. So that is the main 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.840 point my frustration, I think Andrew in legacy media and 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.719 some of these conversations is they do continue to perpetuate 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:32.079 this lie that somehow black men could cost her the election, 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.439 and that's just not true. You know, there is there 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.679 are no none of these swing states where black Republicans 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.400 are great enough in number that they're going to cost 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.679 her the election. And it's not enough acknowledgement that black 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.319 men overwhelmingly are Democratic voters, a progressive group of men 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.520 who vote Democrat. Just I think their numbers are just 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:56.320 behind where they have voted in the last two elections. 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.520 I think it was twelve percent Republican. So just when 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:03.439 I say that, I'm not trying to magnify that number. 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.800 It's a very tiny number. But I did have a 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.760 conversation over the weekend. I was doing a production and 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:14.319 I did have conversation with some folks who were Republican voters. 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.400 This is my challenge because I am looking for someone 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:22.319 to present a sound, coherent, logical argument to me about 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:26.240 why they support the Republican ticket, and every single time 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.320 I have not met that person. Every single time, it's 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.480 someone who is not only uninformed of the issue, but 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.240 has not made the slightest effort to get. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.679 Informed on an issue. Some of these things you can 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:39.400 simply google. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.280 Guys, It's just not true, like they literally is because 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.840 somebody said something or I heard this. I'm also a 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:49.240 bit offended. As a black woman and having my entire 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.440 life dealt with black men, I'm offended at this notion 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.000 that when you want to know how black people feel, 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.720 you're going to go to a barbershop or a beauty someonment. 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:01.280 That's such a tired, trite roll out. And as long 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:05.040 as legacy media continues to traffic in that, this is 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.040 why legacy media numbers are shrinking, because when we don't 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.320 see ourselves and the depth of ourselves reflected, then we 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.880 tend to tune that out. So I would beg people, 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:15.480 no matter what the hosts look like. 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:16.240 I would beg. 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.640 People to reach a little deeper and appreciate who we 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.920 are as a community and the depth that we have 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:23.880 as a community. This is no this to barbers like 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.680 barber's attax bands they have something to say. But when 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:28.240 you want to know how black people feel, you go 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:32.720 into barbers celebrities, you know, people who you know that 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.600 and that it ends there, you know, And I was frustrating. 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.520 If I appreciate that point, Just two quick things. One, 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.840 I do want to lift up the fact that the 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.800 barbershop experience for black men is very yeique. It is 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:48.120 oftentimes a It is probably the one point at which 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.320 the different strata of us find ourselves in shared place, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.960 shared environment. And I think the beauty salon is frankly 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:58.160 very similar, and that it is a cultural experience. That 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.080 being said, it is not in and of itself the 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.320 mouthpiece or the job of the barber who's doing the 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:09.120 listening and sometimes responding to then become the representative voice 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.680 of what black men in America think, where nobody is 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.840 that simplistic. And my second point is, is your point 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.360 around the black folks who haven't been able to make 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.600 the compelling argument. I said this many episodes ago when 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:26.040 we were talking about people who were black and voting Republican, 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:30.000 and my point was was fifty cent his budget look 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.520 a whole lot different than Andrew Gillums, right, and Joe 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.840 on the street. And so he may hear from Trump 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.960 a tax cut, and that may be sufficient enough for 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.600 him to forgive, not consider release all the rest that 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.880 the man has done and had to say, because at 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.640 the end of the day, this man is voting for 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:51.720 his bank. And so we should, particularly in celebrity culture, 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.840 we have to really be curious and pull back the 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:56.720 layer as to why it is that a person may 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.760 feel the way they feel or may be caping and 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.720 the way in which they're caping because their agenda might 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:06.080 not match ours. Yeah, and and and and by the way, okay, 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.120 that's your business. Good for you, but you don't need 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.520 to be giving me political advice because you and I 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.680 aren't a line on the same thing. What may be 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.880 good for you may be terribly harmful for me. And 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.760 so I think we're a complex enough community to recognize 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.680 we've all got different motives. I do think we share 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.480 a lot in common. First of all, our humanity. That 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.000 box has to be checked first. If you can't see 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.000 me as human, if you can't respect me, if you 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.120 think my body can be thrown and slain about as 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.040 if I'm some kind of ragged all at your at 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.720 your leisure, or pleasure. Then that's it for me that 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.640 I am a single issue voter when it comes to 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.720 my humanity. If you can't see that, we can't get 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:45.440 to the rest of it. So that's what I think 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:46.720 keeps us so much connected. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:48.120 Yeah, I completely agree. 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.200 I want to hear some sound from the interview, because 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.640 I think that was the unique thing about Charlemagne's interview 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.240 is that it was interacted like other people can questions 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.880 really quickly before we go to that, Angela, you and 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.440 I were part of a conversation that I will respect 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.760 the people involved in the conversation by keeping most of 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:08.040 the substance of it quiet. But someone made a comment like, oh, 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.160 but who cares about the plight of the black man? 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.200 And it struck me so that I asked, well, we 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.520 care about the plight of the black man, but what 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.400 does caring about the plight of the black man look 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.320 like to you? And who is doing the caring? And 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.680 it opened up this beautiful wealth of black men sharing 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.320 what it looked like to them to be cared for. 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.560 And people reference thing about family, they reference thing about 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.360 their thoughts about the healthcare system, like if I'm going 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.200 in because my knee hurts and the doctor's like, yeah, 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.399 well how long you been doing cracky he or you know, 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.560 different things and their family dynamic, how they're treated at work. 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.879 It was such a beautiful exchange of open feelings. Angela, 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.800 you you remember this, of course, And I just want 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.880 to open that space up here to our brothers, if 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.399 you're watching this, I would love to hear from black 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:57.760 men what. 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.000 Does it look like to care for you? 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.480 And who is doing the caring? Because we have to 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.320 in our community. It does seem to be some animis 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:07.480 sometimes when it comes to our politics, when it comes 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.320 to our building family units. So I just want to 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.760 hear from you brothers and give y'all question that or 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:13.880 drop a video if y'all want. 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:15.200 Yeah, Andrew go ahead. 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.480 To answer your question. Also, what assumptions are made about 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:21.639 you that folks out to suspend with from here to fourth? So, 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.639 for instance, most black men I know want to do 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:29.720 the caring and not be cared for. And the way 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.080 in which and the way in which it lands with me, right, 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.840 I'm the one who will shoulder a lot of that 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.440 stuff in my household because I don't want to burden 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.399 my wife. I don't want to burden the family with 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.040 the things that I feel like I need to take 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:45.680 care of for us, and so add to that, as 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.880 you're responding, are there assumptions that are made about you 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.080 as a black man inside our community and outside that 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:53.200 you would like to put the rest? 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.640 Well, there's a few things. Y'all went so many places, 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.679 and I want to like chime in on some of 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:01.720 these things. But one thing I just want to acknowledge 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:05.480 to going back to something you raised about the mainstream 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:10.880 media's response or really like the trafficking in the conspiracy 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.280 theory of black men overthrowing the government joining with the 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:19.080 insurrectionists to support Donald Trump in historic numbers. The thing 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.080 that I think is fascinating is and I was finding 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:27.000 myself really caught in a conundrum yesterday finding out that 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:32.159 Lenard's interview with Kamala ran in full on CNN and MSNBC. 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.719 I was elated by that and also troubled by that. 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:40.480 And the conundrum was, give, however this interview goes, You're 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.920 going to rest the full responsibility of that on black 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:47.760 men and on Kamala Harris, right, And so I was like, 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:49.840 I wanted to celebrate the fact that it was getting 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:53.720 this much attention, but found myself being remarkably worried about 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:55.560 it when I heard about it later, because it does 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.800 feel like there's this moment in the interview that we 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:02.720 actually did it pool where Lenard says to her. 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.080 President Obama was out there last week waving his finger 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.439 at black men. When are Liz Cheney and Hillary Clinton 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.560 going wave their finger at white women? When a Bill 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.400 Clinton and Joe Biden going wave their finger at white men. 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.600 Because fifty two percent of white women voted for Trump 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:19.639 in twenty sixteen, fifty five percent voted for Trump in 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:21.920