Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 2: All right, so we have a fun week coming up.
Speaker 2: Anything you're nervous about going to Florida, bit, it's your
Speaker 2: phone over. I always have my phone over, which is
Speaker 2: actually an interesting topic. Side note, this is my sidebar.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it bothers people in relationships when you put the
Speaker 2: phone down because you think, but I always because I
Speaker 2: don't like seeing a phone because I think it's rude.
Speaker 2: Like normally, when have you ever seen my phone up
Speaker 2: like that?
Speaker 3: Normally you've got the phone down. You've been the nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty five wallet case phone thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know that anymore though, But no, I has
Speaker 2: that ever been a pet peeve of yours because it
Speaker 2: hasn't been a mind but I've always I was talking
Speaker 2: to we were talking to Jenny McCarthy and she was
Speaker 2: saying how she didn't Donnie didn't like it when she'd
Speaker 2: put her phone down like that.
Speaker 3: I think my I think my FoST thought is well,
Speaker 3: why what you hat you then when you put your
Speaker 3: phone down like that?
Speaker 2: But it's always down like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you don't normally have a phone case like that.
Speaker 3: I'm not seeing your hiding then no, no, I don't
Speaker 3: want to see your phone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I guess I don't. I just don't
Speaker 2: ever like it going up like that for some reason,
Speaker 2: because I don't. I get too sidetracked when I see
Speaker 2: people's like when Catherine has.
Speaker 3: So that's why the old the old wallet phone from
Speaker 3: two thousand and two, you're probably actually better to get
Speaker 3: in all lot. Why because it folds over?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, mine never folded over. No, I just
Speaker 2: always turned it over. Oh that's interesting. So you thought
Speaker 2: that it was a foldover. No, it was just was
Speaker 2: just on the back. Yeah, okay, very observant, clearly. Anyways,
Speaker 2: we're going to Florida. It's our first I would say
Speaker 2: it's our first official family No, because we were with
Speaker 2: the wedding, but like true just vak Yeah, well no,
Speaker 2: well as a family of three, what was that.
Speaker 3: Is a family of three?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Because a family you know, because when we went fourth
Speaker 2: of July up north, I was but this is I
Speaker 2: was pregnant with Romans. So this is now with the baby,
Speaker 2: with Joli and Jase. We're going to the beach.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's just a pity that Troy couldn't be there
Speaker 3: because of his football, which such a break is different.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it'll be good, which leads me to the
Speaker 3: question of in fact, it's not a question, it's a request.
Speaker 3: So we're renting. We're renting a boat one day, aren't.
Speaker 2: We We are swimming at the dolphins in the ocean.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. Okay, but do you know what sharks
Speaker 3: eat fish dolphins? Do you know how many videos on
Speaker 3: Instagram I've seen a shark just swimming past the boat
Speaker 3: with a dolphin hanging out the smuth.
Speaker 2: No, it's probably Ai.
Speaker 3: It's not Ai. I thought you should be renting the boat.
Speaker 3: What I thought we were getting a boat.
Speaker 2: We have a boat. It's going to take us out
Speaker 2: to the cove and we're going to swim with dolphins
Speaker 2: in the ocean.
Speaker 3: I'm not what I'm not I'm not getting in. I
Speaker 3: am not getting in the ocean in Florida. Why is
Speaker 3: that a real question? Yes, it's riddled with shops, Yeah,
Speaker 3: shocks everywhere.
Speaker 2: Honey, it's an ocean.
Speaker 3: The highest percentage of shop attacks in the last two
Speaker 3: years is Florida.
Speaker 2: Hey, Siri, hold on a second, what what was that
Speaker 2: a Google search? I just know, I just know you
Speaker 2: just know what.
Speaker 3: Again? Pull it on your on your Instagram. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's a poll that you've won.
Speaker 2: What what is? I don't understand though, But yet you'll
Speaker 2: drive a motorcycle on the roads?
Speaker 3: No, I don't.
Speaker 2: Just yeah the.
Speaker 3: CITs when the last when's the last time I drove
Speaker 3: a more?
Speaker 2: You don't have your license, but you have a motorcycle.
Speaker 2: Have it makes sense.
Speaker 3: I've had a motorcycle since February and it's done four
Speaker 3: point eight miles.
Speaker 2: Because you don't have a license, it doesn't make sense
Speaker 2: to me why.
Speaker 3: You even have a point seven of those miles a
Speaker 3: mile an hour or under.
Speaker 2: Okay, are you ready for your chance of how common
Speaker 2: it is to get a No?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm not interested.
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in facts yours what.
Speaker 3: I'm not interested in the statistics and the data of what.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about motorcycles in the road because that's
Speaker 2: actually more common.
Speaker 3: It's just the motorcycle chat. I don't use it.
Speaker 2: These instances are still.
Speaker 4: Helen.
Speaker 3: And yesterday, yesterday I got out of the garage. Twelve
Speaker 3: is a the gym? I thought, you know what, I'm
Speaker 3: in the gym. I may as well look at it
Speaker 3: for an hour and I sat on it twice and
Speaker 3: it's not even starting. It's just give up. Let's got
Speaker 3: a full tank. A few and it won't start. And
Speaker 3: it's done four point eight miles.
Speaker 2: It's time to let it go.
Speaker 3: Ben, Yeah, and even charge the party, Okay.
Speaker 2: Like I said, how common are shark attacks in Florida?
Speaker 2: These instances are still extremely rare. Estimates. Estimates range from
Speaker 2: one ready one in two hundred million, Zama.
Speaker 3: If you're willing to get in the water with them,
Speaker 3: then I'll keep the kids in the boat.
Speaker 2: What How common is it to get into a motor
Speaker 2: cycle accident? One in a hundred, so I think are
Speaker 2: our odds.
Speaker 3: But that's why I've not been on the road do it.
Speaker 3: I've not used it, I know. Okay, So why you've
Speaker 3: thrown that at me?
Speaker 2: Because you would rather do that. But yet you won't
Speaker 2: get into a shark. You won't get into an ocean.
Speaker 3: I have not ridden the motorcycle on the roads.
Speaker 2: No, I understand that. I know, But you have a
Speaker 2: motorcycle to ride it.
Speaker 3: Have a motorcycle.
Speaker 2: It's not amasyage, it's not amasy.
Speaker 3: Think of it riding it. Think of it. The thirty
Speaker 3: minutes of freedom. I could have if I actually went out.
Speaker 2: On it, and you have it and it's still a
Speaker 2: museum in our garage.
Speaker 3: Okay, I just don't. It's like, so I've seen a
Speaker 3: clip the other day. It's like, and it was in Thingers,
Speaker 3: Australia or Thailand.
Speaker 2: We are going to Florida, please please, okay.
Speaker 3: And it was a guy who was what's it called
Speaker 3: when he's tied to a boat and he's got the
Speaker 3: parachute parasailing, parasailing, So he has chosen in Thailand to
Speaker 3: tie himself to a boat with a parachute behind them, right,
Speaker 3: and he's got a little tie. Guy tied Tom even
Speaker 3: know if he has tied to him, but anyway, the
Speaker 3: two of them got up in the air and he
Speaker 3: ends up three hundred meters up in the air.
Speaker 2: And a shark flies three hundred meters there and.
Speaker 3: The panics and unties. He's harness and falls to his death.
Speaker 3: He has chosen to put his life at risk by
Speaker 3: going on a parachute glider thing. I know, I'm not
Speaker 3: choosing to go in a shock infested water because that
Speaker 3: would put my.
Speaker 2: Life and we're not going in the middle of the
Speaker 2: dark ocean, in the deep, dark blue sea. We are
Speaker 2: going to a little cove like we did in Italy.
Speaker 3: You've seen what bull sharks hang about?
Speaker 2: Why did you get into the water in Italy?
Speaker 3: The shock?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? It's an ocean.
Speaker 3: We asked every boat driver that we had. Have you
Speaker 3: seen a shop? You ever seen a shock? You ask
Speaker 3: a boat driver in Florida? Have you seen a shot?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 3: Yeah, ten minutes ago. Mate, guarantee you.
Speaker 2: Not where we're going to be and it's going to
Speaker 2: beautiful and listen.
Speaker 3: I need ordered us some shocks. It's on Amazon.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, listen, I really because you know how jas
Speaker 2: is very sensitive to fun at times, because he's scared
Speaker 2: of certain things. Since that's the fun, you, I'm not
Speaker 2: the one like not wanting to go in the water,
Speaker 2: so uh, I think he'll need that encouragement of not
Speaker 2: being scared to get in the water, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Okay, just you see, just before we get in the water,
Speaker 3: just say mommy, go and see your mommy. She's got
Speaker 3: some statistics. Let you feel safe.
Speaker 2: Stop. All right, So today's episode we have we should
Speaker 2: ask the psychic. He's actually a medium medium different have
Speaker 2: you ever been read by a medium.
Speaker 3: I have been read by a medium. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: think it's mostly psychics that I've been to see.
Speaker 2: You've been do a psychic? Really shocking?
Speaker 3: Really yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't see you as like a believer in that stuff.
Speaker 3: One probably twice a year when I lived in Scotland.
Speaker 3: Her name was Andy and she was excellent.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, and what did she tell you stuff? Okay?
Speaker 2: Did it play out?
Speaker 3: Actually? That? Yeah? That she was good. But I don't
Speaker 3: know if I've been to a natural medium, but I'm
Speaker 3: looking forward to.
Speaker 2: I love mediums, Jonathan, I I got read by one.
Speaker 2: I have to say my tyler Henry One. Uh, I'd
Speaker 2: have to look think back or re listened to his
Speaker 2: episode because I don't remember. I was on his show
Speaker 2: and somebody else came through for him, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if it was because at that time I had
Speaker 2: just found out about Mike's affair stuff and I had
Speaker 2: this thing for E and I was going to be
Speaker 2: read by him, but like, nothing came to fruition in
Speaker 2: that one, and he picked up one of my other
Speaker 2: old friends that were there, a relative of hers and so.
Speaker 2: But another medium that I had in Nashville, and he
Speaker 2: did cold cases, just like the guy Jonathan mar Set's
Speaker 2: coming on and he's helped solve some yeah, some some
Speaker 2: cold cases. And that's just like that's where I'm like,
Speaker 2: how do people not believe in that? And I know
Speaker 2: there's a big thing with faith, but I also think
Speaker 2: God created these beautiful people to have different to be
Speaker 2: able to connect to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, so as usual by delve and to
Speaker 3: whoever was coming on, but it's and never know how
Speaker 3: the mind of a medium works and what they see,
Speaker 3: like if they know that, let's see, your grandmother is
Speaker 3: showing up, then like he was talking to someone about
Speaker 3: the mum, but it's his mum that shows up, so
Speaker 3: therefore he knows, Okay, it's related to a mum, or
Speaker 3: it's an incidant like he was saying to someone. It
Speaker 3: was a newsreader, I think, and he was saying, you're
Speaker 3: really close to your mom because she's almost like right
Speaker 3: in your face, right beside you, So you're close to.
Speaker 2: That's how I'll be to my kids and you right
Speaker 2: in your face. Is there anybody that you hope that
Speaker 2: he brings to or that shows up in our session today?
Speaker 3: I never even thought about that. I don't think he'll
Speaker 3: be I don't think he'll be looking to to bring
Speaker 3: people into the room with us.
Speaker 2: Oh I want someone to come in. Yeah, I never
Speaker 2: got to meet your gran.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well she showed up.
Speaker 2: Then there will be tears.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that will be tears. That's what she camera.
Speaker 2: There'll be more than one strong single tear. Why didn't
Speaker 2: she die.
Speaker 3: Two thousand and three?
Speaker 2: How again?
Speaker 3: Heart attack?
Speaker 2: And she was who you were closest to. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: my your mom? Oh, sweet mom's mom. Yeah, my mom
Speaker 2: is an angel. That's interesting. Yeah, I had I always
Speaker 2: had my grandpa come through in a lot of my sessions.
Speaker 2: I wanted someone else to come through, but his energy
Speaker 2: was too dark, and so he's never come through. And
Speaker 2: I'm kind of glad that's gone.
Speaker 3: Really Yeah, all right, okay.
Speaker 2: I wanted like a sorry, maybe I don't know, some
Speaker 2: kind of closure. But yeah, he's here. So let's take
Speaker 2: a break and see who shows up.
Speaker 4: I Hello, how are you good? Nice?
Speaker 2: I am Jana. This is my husband Alan. Hello, thank
Speaker 2: you so much for coming on. We're so excited to
Speaker 2: talk to you.
Speaker 4: Likewise, thank you for having me. I'm really excited.
Speaker 3: Where are you?
Speaker 2: Where do you. Where are you based New York?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, great, we love New York.
Speaker 4: New York is awesome. Are you guys in California or
Speaker 4: like La Area?
Speaker 2: We used to be, but now we live in Franklin, Tennessee.
Speaker 4: Oh nice. I feel like that's been like a huge thing,
Speaker 4: like everyone leaving Los Angeles or and just like kind
Speaker 4: of scattering to like Miami or Vancouver or wherever everything,
Speaker 4: Like we just left. We hated there, We're out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, after well before COVID. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was just I like this way of living. And then
Speaker 2: he came from England, Scotland to England and then to Nashville.
Speaker 2: So I pulled him over.
Speaker 3: I feel looking. I feel looking to know your house.
Speaker 3: I've watched so many of your videos this morning. If
Speaker 3: you'l looking know the background of your kitchen and you'll
Speaker 3: you study And.
Speaker 4: It's my mom's house.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just bought a house last year with my wife
Speaker 4: and we're about fifteen twenty minutes away. Because when we
Speaker 4: start having kids, I want my parents to be like
Speaker 4: kind of you know, they're and heelpful because you're like
Speaker 4: all the help I can kind of get. And my
Speaker 4: wife works from home and she's like, get the hell
Speaker 4: out and like go to your mom's house because I
Speaker 4: need the house to myself. So every video everything I
Speaker 4: do my mom's house.
Speaker 2: So that's crazy. Yeah, he was. He was showing me
Speaker 2: some videos earlier today and I'm just every video I
Speaker 2: was like, I just got chills, chills after chills, after chills.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was showing another one where you were speaking
Speaker 3: to a lady and unfortunately I think her dogs come
Speaker 3: through and she had been set on fire by a
Speaker 3: father figure or biological father yep. And I just like
Speaker 3: like you. I was like wow, like and how did you?
Speaker 3: How did you get into that kind of colde case?
Speaker 3: So that always intrigues me. We watched so many TV
Speaker 3: shows on things.
Speaker 2: We were just watching Into the Fire last night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: And then can I also just asked too, like when
Speaker 2: did this? When did you first? Is it a feeling?
Speaker 2: Is it a vision? Is it a body thing? Like what? What?
Speaker 2: How old were you? And like what was that moment too?
Speaker 4: So when I first, like I guess you could say,
Speaker 4: like brought up this gift when I was a child.
Speaker 4: I was probably about four or five, my my mom
Speaker 4: sister passed away, my aunt Susan or my aunt Sue,
Speaker 4: and she passed when I was six months old, so
Speaker 4: I didn't really like really know her or like have
Speaker 4: a relationship with her or whatever, just because I was
Speaker 4: so young. And you know, just like most families, people
Speaker 4: have pictures of their loved ones that have like passed away.
Speaker 4: And my mom was best friends with her, so she
Speaker 4: would always like talk about her to like my family
Speaker 4: myself growing up. So one day it was Easter Sunday,
Speaker 4: my mom tells the story to everyone because she's like
Speaker 4: it freaked the entire family out, where everyone didn't speak
Speaker 4: to each old for like a solid like thirty minutes
Speaker 4: because they were like, what the hell just happened type
Speaker 4: of thing. So my grandfather, her father, when he was living,
Speaker 4: I walked up to him and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: and Susie's here, and he's like yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 4: you know, very like old school type of guy, and
Speaker 4: I go, no, she and I was wearing I'm sure
Speaker 4: you know you guys know this the double jean shirt
Speaker 4: with the pants. My mom used to wear me like
Speaker 4: the Canadian tuxedo thing. So I kept pulling on this
Speaker 4: on my shirt, being like Susie's wearing this, Susie's wearing this,
Speaker 4: like trying to say that she's wearing a denim jacket.
Speaker 4: My grandfather goes, the hell's this kid talking about the
Speaker 4: hell's's kid talking about my mom and her other sister,
Speaker 4: like we're sitting there. So my other aunt was like,
Speaker 4: I have no idea what he's talking about. My mom
Speaker 4: comes in, like she saw like a ghost, like white, pale, whatever,
Speaker 4: and my grandfather was like, why do you look like this?
Speaker 4: And she's like, well, when the surface was over, like
Speaker 4: when everyone went to cars to go to the cemetery
Speaker 4: to follow the casket and everything, my mom walked back
Speaker 4: in and put a jean jacket in the casket like
Speaker 4: where she was because they were best friends. They lived together,
Speaker 4: and there's a jean jacket that they would steal back
Speaker 4: and forth from each other. So she wanted to have
Speaker 4: a very intimate moment with just her sister. She didn't
Speaker 4: want her other sister or her parents to know. She
Speaker 4: just wanted to be her thing. So I guess for
Speaker 4: like thirty minutes, people didn't speak, and like I was
Speaker 4: a kid, so I went outside and I was like
Speaker 4: chasing the Easter eggs and you know, continuing my day,
Speaker 4: and I guess everyone was just like super quiet and
Speaker 4: like didn't really understand it. And then when I was
Speaker 4: getting older, like I was seeing things about my family
Speaker 4: that I don't think someone should know about their family,
Speaker 4: like very intimate personal things from people that passed away
Speaker 4: coming through, like acknowledging and apologizing for like sexual assault
Speaker 4: and things like that, and I didn't really understand what
Speaker 4: it was. So like when it was coming through, I
Speaker 4: didn't really get it, so I didn't think too much
Speaker 4: of it. And plus I wanted to be like a
Speaker 4: normal kid, So I was like, like I was wrestling
Speaker 4: football like everything, and I wanted to stay on that
Speaker 4: track of like normal because what I was seeing and
Speaker 4: feeling not everyone. I realized that certain age was like
Speaker 4: my friends. I didn't want to be like a weirdo
Speaker 4: to my friends and to my coaches and to anything.
Speaker 4: So another weird thing is before I went to college,
Speaker 4: my and Sue went to the same college that I
Speaker 4: committed to the play lacrosse at. So I committed there
Speaker 4: because my dad played rugby there my and my aunt
Speaker 4: Sue was there, and before I left, I turned to
Speaker 4: my mom and I goes their mental illness in the family,
Speaker 4: like I feel like I'm mentally off, like I have schizophrenia,
Speaker 4: Like I don't really know what's going on, because I
Speaker 4: didn't have anyone to really validate what was going on
Speaker 4: if I was either going crazy or if it was
Speaker 4: luck what I said with certain things like no one
Speaker 4: really validated that for me, and she said no, And
Speaker 4: then it just so happened that someone like another medium
Speaker 4: validated for me. And from there, my mom just brought
Speaker 4: friends that I've never met before when I was home
Speaker 4: from college to practice and I didn't tell any of
Speaker 4: my friends. I didn't tell anyone. And then after that
Speaker 4: I was going to be a police officer. So I
Speaker 4: went through the NYPD academy. I went through everything, and
Speaker 4: a high level homicide detective pulled me aside and the
Speaker 4: chief at the time and was like, you should go
Speaker 4: home and be able to come home every night, and
Speaker 4: you should be able to not worry that if you
Speaker 4: step on the street someone's going to shoot you, Like
Speaker 4: we'll use you when we seem like it's fit to
Speaker 4: use you on these unsolved cases. So what I found
Speaker 4: out recently from like the FBI and like all these
Speaker 4: people that I've worked with was they were sending people
Speaker 4: to me to see throughout the years until they thought
Speaker 4: I was ready. So they would send people pretending to
Speaker 4: be someone else, and they would actually be bringing people on.
Speaker 4: And I was working on cases I didn't even really
Speaker 4: know about until later on, so they were coming through,
Speaker 4: and just the Long Island serial killer case I was
Speaker 4: pulled on in twenty seventeen from doing it. And it's
Speaker 4: just like all this stuff, and that's how I got
Speaker 4: involved in the in like the police work and and
Speaker 4: everything from those two high level officers.
Speaker 3: Hope they your money then, So I.
Speaker 4: Don't charge them. I don't charge them at all. I
Speaker 4: don't charge anytime I work on an unsolved or anything.
Speaker 4: I don't charge any of Like I don't charge the state.
Speaker 4: I do because I want to help the family, because
Speaker 4: when they come to me, I'm their last option, I'm
Speaker 4: not their first, so it's like I want to be
Speaker 4: able to try my best to help them. So I
Speaker 4: don't charge.
Speaker 2: How many cases have you helped solve?
Speaker 4: By by solving it's just I helped them turn a
Speaker 4: corner or keep a case open. But probably at this
Speaker 4: point close to like seventy five hundred.
Speaker 3: Like seventy five hundred.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you look at my emails right now, helps
Speaker 4: from parents that I wanted the name of the case
Speaker 4: because it's active. But I helped turn a suicide into
Speaker 4: a homicide with the DA like recently, so wow, yeah,
Speaker 4: Like well that that gave me chills. Like when they
Speaker 4: called me and they told me, I like didn't know
Speaker 4: how to take it because that was that was the
Speaker 4: first time that I was able to turn a suicide
Speaker 4: to a homicide, and I like freaked myself out and
Speaker 4: I had to go for a long run. I was like,
Speaker 4: I need to like clear my head, like this is
Speaker 4: a little nutty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask too, Like what
Speaker 2: do you do to get out from because is it
Speaker 2: like are people constantly coming to you? Or do you
Speaker 2: sit in a space and is there like a ritual
Speaker 2: you do to you know, have these people come in?
Speaker 2: Like what is that?
Speaker 4: So I learned to ignore it, so like basically all
Speaker 4: the time. I guess you can say people will come
Speaker 4: like through or try to like come through. But if
Speaker 4: I let it kind of if I talk to every
Speaker 4: person about it, when when I'm out, I'm gonna be
Speaker 4: burnt out, drained, like I'm it's not gonna like I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna be helpful for whoever wants a reading or
Speaker 4: for like an unsolve. So I learned to kind of
Speaker 4: just like ignore or just like try to live everyday
Speaker 4: life like everyday life. So I go for like a
Speaker 4: lot of runs. I play. I know it's gonna sound silly,
Speaker 4: but I play volleyball with the NYPD guys.
Speaker 2: Volleyball. Yeah, you're gonna say video games, and I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 4: Literally going tonight to play indoor volleyball with them. And
Speaker 4: it's just like I try to do as like much
Speaker 4: normal stuff, but my phone rings a lot, and it's
Speaker 4: always like like police officers or FBI or whoever, because
Speaker 4: they don't want to kind of gear me to what's
Speaker 4: going on. They want to like kind of like take
Speaker 4: me off guard shock me. They don't want me to
Speaker 4: know about a case because if they tell me a case,
Speaker 4: it's human nature to look up a case. I mean
Speaker 4: like if they're like there's a huge case, like look
Speaker 4: it up. Most of the time they don't tell me.
Speaker 4: They're like we have ten minutes go like that go,
Speaker 4: and then I rattle it off and then they hang
Speaker 4: up In a month later, I hear the progress because
Speaker 4: I don't hear it in real.
Speaker 2: Time because this is gonna be it's only because we
Speaker 2: just watched it, but we watched Monsters, the Mendez Brother's story,
Speaker 2: Like do you ever just like sit and be like
Speaker 2: all right, like come to me whatever that dad was,
Speaker 2: and be like what was the truth in that? And
Speaker 2: then would you ever call and be like hey, they
Speaker 2: they for sure did it or they for sured itdn't
Speaker 2: like is it like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, does that ever happen? So a couple of times yeah, Like.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say.
Speaker 4: I guess the Brian Coburger case was one of them.
Speaker 4: The Utah four when the kid went into the house
Speaker 4: and did horrible things to the girls in the in
Speaker 4: the house and there's two survivor girls. I think it
Speaker 4: was No, it's not Utah, it was Idaho, the Idaho
Speaker 4: for So they were saying stuff and I called them
Speaker 4: and out because I was seeing it all over TikTok
Speaker 4: because like people start blasting things on social media and
Speaker 4: then it gets all these millions of like views and
Speaker 4: stuff and I'm like, that's not it, Like, don't pay
Speaker 4: attention to this, Like I'll do that to them because
Speaker 4: people love true crime. I guess I didn't even know
Speaker 4: it was like such a big thing, like until recently
Speaker 4: in the last year. Probably, Well, like.
Speaker 2: You can't like specifically go to like it. I guess
Speaker 2: I'm like, like you can't look at like some people
Speaker 2: might not come up like for that, like you might
Speaker 2: not feel anything from that situation, like the Mendez or
Speaker 2: oj or Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: Does that make no, No, it does. I would need
Speaker 4: to sit with someone who was probably either very close
Speaker 4: to the case with it family because like a huge
Speaker 4: super fan, like when be able to validate like very
Speaker 4: intimate personal things.
Speaker 2: Sure, okay, that makes sense. So you have to have
Speaker 2: the connection of at least the person to have that
Speaker 2: person come through.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like and like that's why I try not to
Speaker 4: talk so much about others, Like when like people reach
Speaker 4: out to me, like can you do this case? It's
Speaker 4: like it I could, but who can really validate it
Speaker 4: besides like the family or the detectives or the pis
Speaker 4: or who whoever?
Speaker 3: How long how long do you need to spend with
Speaker 3: someone or how long do you need to be dialed
Speaker 3: in that conversation or that person and all the things
Speaker 3: to start to come through.
Speaker 4: So for like a significant like to get stuff, probably
Speaker 4: twenty and twenty five minutes, I would probably say only
Speaker 4: because really the FBI and like the police train me
Speaker 4: to go fast, like because I typically I would have
Speaker 4: spent more time, like a forty five minute period, because
Speaker 4: my whole thing would to give the family closure first
Speaker 4: and then go into the case because I don't want
Speaker 4: to just start drilling stuff down their throat. That's not
Speaker 4: how I do things. But I've learned to kind of
Speaker 4: give the closure very quickly and fast with stuff and
Speaker 4: then go right into the case because the police they
Speaker 4: don't want to wait, like they want to go and
Speaker 4: they're so probably twenty five minutes, I'll probably say for
Speaker 4: a shorter answer, sorry for going.
Speaker 3: And that's forlick a taking cold cases to say, if
Speaker 3: that's just someone that comes to you that wants a
Speaker 3: standard reading on family members or I mean, how long
Speaker 3: do you need to sit with them in order for
Speaker 3: things to start to come through to you?
Speaker 4: Well, it initially starts pretty fast, but I spend about
Speaker 4: forty five minutes to an hour with like a normal
Speaker 4: like not like a cold case. Right, I try to
Speaker 4: do as much for them as I can.
Speaker 3: Just have this vision of you walking in the streets
Speaker 3: in New York and like people walking past, and you
Speaker 3: get connected to that person, and our person walks past,
Speaker 3: connected to that person, and just constantly things coming up.
Speaker 4: Always, it's literally always like that is it?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is your wife? Is she? How did? How did you
Speaker 2: tell her this? Because I imagine at first it would
Speaker 2: have been like wait.
Speaker 4: What yeah, So that's actually a funny story. We just
Speaker 4: got married to two weeks ago, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: So basically I had a relationship before her and the
Speaker 4: girl that's when I start going out to like LA
Speaker 4: and stuff. Really, so I was starting to read like
Speaker 4: public figures and stuff. And then she, you know, was
Speaker 4: really enamored by that life. And I didn't like how
Speaker 4: that situation turned. So when we you know, broke up
Speaker 4: or whatever, I said that I would wait to tell
Speaker 4: someone until I knew that they liked me for me
Speaker 4: and not like I go to LA and I could
Speaker 4: be around people for readings specifically and stuff. So it
Speaker 4: just so happened that when we first met and we
Speaker 4: were going on because we met her in COVID, so
Speaker 4: we were sitting outside in like the space things where
Speaker 4: like you can only get food. You can't get drinks,
Speaker 4: so it had to be like a sit down dinner
Speaker 4: in New York. And there was a curfew at like
Speaker 4: eleven thirty at night, so you had to get thirty
Speaker 4: eight and leave by eleven thirty. But basically she would
Speaker 4: hear calls from like the DA's office, the FBI, so
Speaker 4: she thought I worked in law enforcement. So I didn't
Speaker 4: really say too much. I just wanted to see where
Speaker 4: things would go before I'm like, I'm a medium, Like
Speaker 4: this is what I do. Eventually I told her like
Speaker 4: once we made it official, I told her immediately after.
Speaker 4: And then she was like, prove it. That's literally what
Speaker 4: she said. She said, prove it. So I had to
Speaker 4: prove it to her. And I brought in a family
Speaker 4: member that she's never spoken about. Her family does not
Speaker 4: speak about because of religious things, and she was hysterically crying.
Speaker 4: And then the entire night, we're watching TV, and I
Speaker 4: could feel her just like staring at me kind of,
Speaker 4: so I would turn my head and I would be like,
Speaker 4: is everything good? And she's like I just don't get it.
Speaker 4: Like she's like I don't get it. And now she's
Speaker 4: like my biggest supporter and she's like, you know, the best,
Speaker 4: but she doesn't even work in the entertainment side. She
Speaker 4: works for alcohol, like an alcohol company. So it's like
Speaker 4: very different.
Speaker 2: So yeah, suppressing yeah, emotion.
Speaker 4: A little bit.
Speaker 2: It's also I feel like it could be hard to
Speaker 2: because there's so many critics out there, yeah, and either
Speaker 2: judgment or people saying I know someone that is just
Speaker 2: like that is just a load of bs and that's
Speaker 2: not true. But I'm like, how can people say that,
Speaker 2: I maybe find psychics. Maybe there's a piece of that
Speaker 2: where there's a lot of people out there that are
Speaker 2: just you have a grandpa that died, well, no shit,
Speaker 2: I'm forty like you know, so I think there's there's
Speaker 2: pieces of maybe people that do that for entertainment that
Speaker 2: are false. Is that Is that okay fair to say?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you're solving cold cases and mediums, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I just I find it very different and
Speaker 2: more believable than a psychic same or no, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I see people obviously that you know, I
Speaker 4: always call like a cold reading where they ask you
Speaker 4: the questions and you kind of respond with, like, you know,
Speaker 4: for example, it's like did you lose a grandparent and
Speaker 4: someone is so desperate and vulnerable they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: yes or like whatever, and then they kind of feed
Speaker 4: off of off of that. I do the I only
Speaker 4: tell people say like really yes or no, like if
Speaker 4: it like that's all I really need, I guess, because
Speaker 4: or just don't say anything. A lot of people don't
Speaker 4: say anything. They just sit there and stare at me,
Speaker 4: which is like also pretty uncomfortable for me because I
Speaker 4: could feel them staring at me, but like, you know,
Speaker 4: just like a little uncomfortable. But I definitely think the
Speaker 4: unsolved stuff in the in the validation from like law
Speaker 4: enforcement and you know, people see it and stuff that
Speaker 4: makes it more believable for people to come to me,
Speaker 4: I guess because of that law enforcement aspect of it
Speaker 4: versus like when you walk down forty second Street and
Speaker 4: you see like tarot cards and psychic stuff, yeah or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you've had hard relationships, Well again no, but yeah,
Speaker 2: the medium stuff, that's where I'm like, all right, and
Speaker 2: I've had I've been read by different mediums. I was saying,
Speaker 2: like Tyler Henry's read me. And I had a guy
Speaker 2: in Nashville who also does some unsolved mystery stuff, and
Speaker 2: you know, some things are ended up being right, some
Speaker 2: things you know, we're miles off. But also you know
Speaker 2: it's I feel like there's closure in a beautiful thing
Speaker 2: that you do helping people have that peace and that Yeah,
Speaker 2: that closure.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's such a gift. Yeah, you've been given such
Speaker 3: a such a powerful gift. Do you have a Do
Speaker 3: you ever get situations where you've you've done a reading
Speaker 3: with someone, and maybe I would amass. I would imagine
Speaker 3: it's like most people, you have good days at work
Speaker 3: and you have bad days at work where you feel well,
Speaker 3: that reading went really well, one didn't quite go so well.
Speaker 3: Do you ever get situations where the reading is finished
Speaker 3: and then maybe later that day something comes up from
Speaker 3: it and you have to go back to the person
Speaker 3: and say, listen, this has come up or I feel
Speaker 3: that you really need to know this, or whether it's
Speaker 3: an hour later or two days, three days, four days later,
Speaker 3: does that happen sometimes?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Like U Sometimes people I think have expectations when
Speaker 4: they come to readings and stuff, Like people will want
Speaker 4: to hear from very specific people. If that specific person
Speaker 4: doesn't come through and someone else comes through, they feel
Speaker 4: that their reading is a failure because they were hoping
Speaker 4: to hear from a specific person. But there's times where
Speaker 4: I would do a reading and an hour or two
Speaker 4: or a day or whatever the timeframe is typically within
Speaker 4: like a week, I will probably say something comes through
Speaker 4: and I have my mom does my appointment. I would
Speaker 4: have to tell my mom to reach out to them
Speaker 4: and be like can you just let them know this?
Speaker 4: And then they're like, oh my god, that's what we've
Speaker 4: been thinking about, thank you so much. Like So there
Speaker 4: are times I think when there's like a failure or whatever,
Speaker 4: just be honest, it's when people want to hear from
Speaker 4: someone specific and that person doesn't come through as strong
Speaker 4: as someone else does, and you can tell at the
Speaker 4: end that they're not thrilled, like like but which which saw?
Speaker 4: Because then they miss the entire point of the reading
Speaker 4: because most of the time, in like a reading, if
Speaker 4: someone comes through, there's a reason why, and there's like
Speaker 4: all these messages as like a reason why they specifically
Speaker 4: came through versus someone else. But you know, I try
Speaker 4: my best to appease people, so like at the end,
Speaker 4: I'm like, do you have any questions like did I
Speaker 4: hit who you wanted to hear? From like, I want
Speaker 4: to make sure because I want to make everyone happy
Speaker 4: as much as I can with this.
Speaker 3: How do you deal with things emotionally when you have
Speaker 3: to be if someone comes through and you know that
Speaker 3: it is really really going to affect a person that
Speaker 3: you're reading for and it's maybe a really horrendous traumatic
Speaker 3: thing like the bunding of the little Girl? How do
Speaker 3: you deal with these things emotionally as are sometimes that
Speaker 3: you just think, you know what, I can't tell this
Speaker 3: person this because it looks like it could break them
Speaker 3: or kill them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So in the beginning, when I first started doing
Speaker 4: this with in the public and like things like very heavy,
Speaker 4: I would not really say and then I would find
Speaker 4: out later on that people were like, we want to
Speaker 4: hear that because we need that closure of it. It
Speaker 4: might sting at first, but it helps us in the
Speaker 4: long run. So basically what I do is I won't
Speaker 4: say something in jam it down their throat, Like that's
Speaker 4: not how I am and that's not how I will
Speaker 4: ever probably be, because I'm a human and I would
Speaker 4: not want someone to do that to me when it
Speaker 4: comes to that. So I try my best to like
Speaker 4: slowly build into it and to kind of like brace
Speaker 4: them for it, and then I tell them, I go,
Speaker 4: this is going to be intense. If you want me
Speaker 4: to skip over it, tell me immediately and I will
Speaker 4: and if not, I will keep going. And most of
Speaker 4: the time they say to tell me. But that specific
Speaker 4: reading was tough because it was a like domestic thing,
Speaker 4: so it was a very tough thing, like a tough reading.
Speaker 4: I remember.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, since we've had almost like twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five minutes, has anything come up for you?
Speaker 3: I knew you. That's that.
Speaker 2: You can say no too, you can no.
Speaker 4: No. I cracked my neck and I close my eyes
Speaker 4: not to be weird or anything. I also stare off.
Speaker 2: It's okay. My one medium was holding a crystal and no.
Speaker 4: No, I don't do that. I just stare off just
Speaker 4: because I don't want to go off of people's reactions.
Speaker 4: So I just like completely stare off. But it's funny
Speaker 4: you bring up the like grandparent thing, but you know,
Speaker 4: like is there a Robbert in someone like a grandfather
Speaker 4: named Robert or Bob?
Speaker 2: No, But now we got to find out who Maybe
Speaker 2: Sarah's downstairs, Maybe Sarah's got a Robert or Bob.
Speaker 4: Well, who's the end name. Who's living with an end name?
Speaker 2: Who's living?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's with like an end name, not like a
Speaker 4: normal like Nicholas. It's a female. So who's living with an.
Speaker 2: N name that's alive?
Speaker 4: That's alive, Yes, like an n own name. They keep
Speaker 4: putting n O in.
Speaker 2: Front of me Norah, but it's not. It's not a grandparent.
Speaker 4: It's a Bob that keeps coming through. I don't know
Speaker 4: if it's a grandparent for on of you guys, because
Speaker 4: I don't want to be mean. But the guy is
Speaker 4: pretty old, happy guy. He comes, he comes through older
Speaker 4: to me, but his name is Robert or Bob or something,
Speaker 4: and he keeps he keeps playing like a harmonica or
Speaker 4: like something in his mouth, like a like an.
Speaker 2: Instagram play the harmonica. But that was Grandpa, Jim James.
Speaker 4: I don't think this has to do with you too,
Speaker 4: like as far as like family and the reason I
Speaker 4: try to stay awayte because you guys are probably public figures,
Speaker 4: so like you can google things, so I try to
Speaker 4: go like past that or whatever. Do you have Nora's number?
Speaker 4: By chance?
Speaker 2: My mom's a number.
Speaker 4: Oh that's your mom? Yeah? Yeah, ask her who Bob is?
Speaker 2: Then I mean, we have an uncle Bob, but he's
Speaker 2: very much alive and causing just so much turmoil family.
Speaker 4: It's someone who passed away in July, because he keeps
Speaker 4: flashing my aunt who passed away in July.
Speaker 2: I mean, my grandpa passed away in July. That's his dad.
Speaker 2: But his name wasn't Bob. His name is James.
Speaker 4: Is Bob related to him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, my uncle Bob, but he's alive right, okay?
Speaker 4: And who played the harmonica and all that stuff, my
Speaker 4: grandpa and who was like a jokester and my grandpa
Speaker 4: and who also like this is very random because my
Speaker 4: family out of this country does this, like, so please
Speaker 4: don't judge me on this when I say this. Do
Speaker 4: you know people that do stuff with rugs and stuff
Speaker 4: like they make rugs or they do things with rugs.
Speaker 4: My great grandfather did that in Austria. Oh wow, not
Speaker 4: saying that that's like what it is, but they keep
Speaker 4: like flipping rugs in front of me, showing me that stuff.
Speaker 2: So interesting. Yeah, Well, to get to the bottom.
Speaker 4: Of this, please do and please let me know who.
Speaker 2: Well, for sure we'll come back on your show.
Speaker 4: Yes, please do. That'd be awesome.
Speaker 2: Because I think there's someone that maybe would want to
Speaker 2: come out and say hello to Alan.
Speaker 3: Who knows, maybe one.
Speaker 4: Day I could do it privately for you too, Okay,
Speaker 4: And if you have to be private and stuff, because
Speaker 4: I know a lot of people wanted to, I know
Speaker 4: a lot of people like that stuff to be private.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, of course I love that.
Speaker 2: Well, you are fantastic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you really are.
Speaker 2: You really are, and I am you know, I'm excited
Speaker 2: for the for the long read. We should definitely do
Speaker 2: it and then we'll be able to tell people what happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what a lot of people do. They always
Speaker 4: like want to do it off camera and then they
Speaker 4: come on and they talk about it because there's things
Speaker 4: that people want to share in people, things that they
Speaker 4: don't want people to know about certain things, I guess people.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: Well, congratulations on your success, and you do it with
Speaker 3: such a nice mona around you, like you have a
Speaker 3: real respect for the situations that you work with. Then
Speaker 3: so yeah, I admi ale that a lot. Congratulations, Thank
Speaker 3: you so much. I love that.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, thank you so much, appreciating. Where can our
Speaker 2: listeners find you?
Speaker 4: Jonathan Mark medium on my Instagram and my new podcast,
Speaker 4: Connect with Jonathan Mark. I just had Gabby Patito's mom on, so.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, wow wow yeah. All right, well thank
Speaker 2: you and we'll be on soon then cool, all right,
Speaker 2: thanks bye, gods my mom, it's the bottom of this.
Speaker 2: My mom just said, just Texer. Oh my god, I
Speaker 2: just Texert and I said, whose name is bod? That's dead?
Speaker 2: What did you get hacked? It is interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean you, Leslie read for a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3: I mean, he would be incredible to setting list for sure.
Speaker 2: Would you do it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, without doubt.
Speaker 2: That would just be heavy. I mean, think about the
Speaker 2: amount of thoughts that we have in our brain all
Speaker 2: the time, and then add that on top of it.
Speaker 3: And then other people, Yeah, thought that's a lot.
Speaker 2: Well oh shoot, I mean, I guess we couldn't have
Speaker 2: asked him about the sharks. But it's going to be great.
Speaker 2: Everything's gonna be fine, and we're gonna I'm so excited
Speaker 2: to share a fun little family pick from the water.
Speaker 3: Am I gonna come back from Florida with both Lemonons
Speaker 3: and tych.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned, go listen to Connect with Jonathan Mark.
Speaker 3: Now that was so good.
Speaker 4: I loved him.
Speaker 2: Wait, do you have a Robert or a Bob?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: That's my god, I I do. I have an uncle
Speaker 1: Bob and he died in July. I wasn't even thinking this,
Speaker 1: say wait, you guys. I literally was sitting he died
Speaker 1: in July. It wasn't this year, but he died in July,
Speaker 1: and have chills. Oh my god. I wasn't thinking about
Speaker 1: myself at all. I need to ask my mom if
Speaker 1: and he was total jokester. I need to ask my mom.
Speaker 2: Play Harmonica to ask my mom.
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out.
Speaker 2: I'm just start crying.
Speaker 1: He literally Robert is his name, and he went by
Speaker 1: uncle Bob. I'm actually like freaking.
Speaker 2: Out, Sydney.
Speaker 3: I'm like literally shaking.
Speaker 2: Holy crap. That's so crazy. See it always comes through
Speaker 2: with like other people, you know, even uncle Bob that
Speaker 2: died in July.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I wonder who it is. Like, Wow,
Speaker 1: he seems like like he knows like all this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. I was like, I can't. I was like,
Speaker 1: can't wait for your mom to respond. And I was
Speaker 1: sitting here, not even licking the pieces together.
Speaker 3: You have to talk to your mom out them on
Speaker 3: Instagram because I've been stalking them the home an then anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 3: tell I'm telling the news.
Speaker 2: Yeah seriously, because my mom's like, clearly it wasn't my
Speaker 2: which is sad. I would have loved to say how
Speaker 2: to my grandpa, But I mean, how cool is that
Speaker 2: your uncle Bob?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm gonna cry. That's insane.
Speaker 2: All right, We'll stay tuned for Sydney's updates.