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Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursdays at this year a big blue kickoff

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Speaker 1: live here on giants dot com. He has pulled a

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Speaker 1: teen on Lance Meadow with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Two zero one five one three. That is the telephone number.

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Speaker 1: You'd also chime in the conversation via Twitter hashtag giants Chat.

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Speaker 1: A number of media pressors just wrapped up, so Paul

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Speaker 1: and I will recap all of that. They're going to

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Speaker 1: have their first practice later on today, so stay lock

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Speaker 1: to giants dot com for all the latest. But let's

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Speaker 1: start off the top. John Marras spoke to the media

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Speaker 1: a few moments ago covered a variety of different topics. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the first thing that came up was Odell Beckham and

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Speaker 1: his contract, and John Marra made it very clear that

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Speaker 1: they have not started negotiations, but they are moving in

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Speaker 1: the right direction and he used the term sooner rather

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Speaker 1: than later. Yes, and John also said it was very

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Speaker 1: important for him that Beckham reported and reported on time

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Speaker 1: past his physical remember he had the ankle surgery late

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Speaker 1: last year, injured in that a game here at the

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Speaker 1: Meadowlands UH and then also was able to get on

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Speaker 1: on the field, So that's where we're at. John Mara

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Speaker 1: seemed very comfortable with that schedule. Also said that the coach,

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Speaker 1: coach Shermer, and the medical staff will determine how much

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Speaker 1: Beckham does it practice. Now, why do I bring that up,

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Speaker 1: because there were so many reports out there by people

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Speaker 1: who want to just throw gasoline on this thing and

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Speaker 1: make it a big issue. You know, there's there's no issue. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's no issue. Uh, Beckham knows what he needs to do.

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Speaker 1: The team knows what they need to do. John Mara said,

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Speaker 1: we pretty much know where he's gonna be slotted. So

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Speaker 1: everybody is aware of what's going on here and the

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Speaker 1: process is just moving along exactly as expected by both sides.

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Speaker 1: There is no explosive confrontation, at least from my perspective.

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Speaker 1: After listening to the co owner of the New York Giants,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I don't think that he gave

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Speaker 1: any eddication that there was hitting in the panic bunnet

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Speaker 1: or anywhere near there. And John Mara has addressed this

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Speaker 1: issue news times all offseason, Paul, and it seems the

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Speaker 1: tone has been moderate even keel and both sides will

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Speaker 1: eventually come to some sort of agreement. I think what

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Speaker 1: John Marrow made clear Paul is the Giant's value Odell Beckham.

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Speaker 1: There was one point, if you remember, where John Marrow

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Speaker 1: was asked, do you think Odell Beckham is the best

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Speaker 1: value his services. Yes, And and to answer that question

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Speaker 1: A how do different people can have many different answers there?

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Speaker 1: So it's a ridiculous question to ask. I will also

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Speaker 1: say John Marratt did express a strong preference saying that

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Speaker 1: he hopes that Odell Beckham Jr. Was a Giant for

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Speaker 1: a long time. Yes, okay, which he has said in

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Speaker 1: the past too many times, reiterated many times. Folks. The

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Speaker 1: bottom line is, I know I did it. I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure you and John did it as well. Over the

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Speaker 1: last several months, the panic button, the flames that so

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Speaker 1: many other media wanted to invigorate, shall we say was unnecessary.

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Speaker 1: Everything as far as the Giants are concerned, is going

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Speaker 1: along as it's supposed to be forecast. And at whatever

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Speaker 1: that that's the way it's going to end up. Well,

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Speaker 1: as you well know, Paul, the juicy, sexy narrative is

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Speaker 1: player click, Come on, I need the clicks. I need

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Speaker 1: the clicks. You can get things moving. But the other

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Speaker 1: thing that John Mara emphasized is the Giants value the

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Speaker 1: fact that Odell Beckham has been here throughout the entire

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Speaker 1: hasn't been any issues with respect to that. That is

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Speaker 1: a positive sign within the negotiation process. And remember these

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Speaker 1: Falcons is reportedly going to show up today for training camp.

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Speaker 1: After they worked out whatever they did. Late last night,

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Speaker 1: missed his team's mandatory minicamp. I could give you a

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Speaker 1: laundry list of players, Paul, that have had issues, whether

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Speaker 1: when he hasn't, the team has been well aware and

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Speaker 1: the communication lines have been smooth. So he's here. The

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Speaker 1: everything that he has said to the team, he has

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Speaker 1: way it's supposed to be. You know, I say I'm

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Speaker 1: I mean, he kept sending them constant reports as to

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Speaker 1: and we've heard coach Shermer say himself that look, from

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Speaker 1: everything we've seen so far, we're on board with his health.

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Speaker 1: It's looking great, but coming off an injury like that,

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Speaker 1: him during all of this makes perfect sense. Why is

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Speaker 1: it that some people don't want to believe what makes sense?

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Speaker 1: Because of clickbait once again. So let's get off this topic.

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Speaker 1: We we've exhausted enough. I'm glad that the truth continues

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Speaker 1: because I like the deal in facts um In any event,

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Speaker 1: I would also mention one other thing. Sterling Shepard was

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Speaker 1: And that comes from Shepherd. I think he used the

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Speaker 1: I said, is that a problem? Do I need to

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Speaker 1: Wanted to go over a few other things that John

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Speaker 1: though it's still irrelevant. This organization is coming off of

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Speaker 1: decide what they are going to do with him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there hasn't been any formal announcement. I know there's been

428
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Speaker 1: some media reports. There has not been any formal announcement

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Speaker 1: from the team about long term what this means. Coach

430
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Speaker 1: Shermer said today it is possible, it's on the table.

431
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Speaker 1: He couldn't need surgery, and it's possible he'd be out

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Speaker 1: for the season. That is certainly possible. But to this

433
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: point they have not exhausted all of the options yet.

434
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Speaker 1: In fact, Bill was out at practice yesterday. Okay, he

435
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: was limited, he didn't do all the drills, but he

436
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: was out at practice yesterday and he was doing some

437
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: of the stuff even though he had he had already

438
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: been a bit wounded. So I think right now all

439
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: options are open and they're still hopeful that there's a

440
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Speaker 1: way they might be able to get him on the

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00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: field this season. So if that answers your question, I'm glad.

442
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: If it doesn't, I don't know what else I can

443
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: tell you because those are the facts. Yeah, you know

444
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: what quote. It does answer my question, but it begs

445
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Speaker 1: to the question on who clears, who clears that the

446
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: player is helping enough to be drafted, And I gotta

447
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: to be quite wrong of you. I think it's a

448
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Speaker 1: little bit. I think it's a little bit. I'm looking

449
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Speaker 1: up to the word now. To me, it's unastraptable. Well,

450
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: but but Pete, you you have to understand. Pete, you

451
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: have you have to understand when you draft a player.

452
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: And I've said this on on this show multiple times,

453
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Speaker 1: and listen, people want to disagree with me. They want

454
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Speaker 1: to disagree with me. You're not drafting a player for

455
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Speaker 1: one year. You're drafting a player because you think that

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Speaker 1: player is going to contribute for potentially the duration of

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Speaker 1: the rookie contract that ultimately, in an ideal world, you

458
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: want them to warrant a second contract. So I understand

459
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,479
Speaker 1: the frustration that, yeah, year one, it doesn't look like

460
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Speaker 1: Sam Bill will contribute as a result of the shoulder injury.

461
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Speaker 1: But when the Giants used as supplemental draft pick, which

462
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Speaker 1: is the equivalent of a third rounder next year, they're

463
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Speaker 1: not thinking Sam Bill is just gonna be here for

464
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Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen. They're thinking Sam Bill is gonna be

465
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Speaker 1: here for a few years. So once again, in the

466
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Speaker 1: short term, I understand your frustration, but I don't think

467
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Speaker 1: you can look at it in a bubble that it's

468
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Speaker 1: just for eighteen. It's an investment for the near future

469
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Speaker 1: as well as hopefully the long term. And Pete, I'm

470
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Speaker 1: gonna add some explanation to you and more clarity. Again,

471
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Speaker 1: I can't tell you how Dave Gentleman and Pat Shermer

472
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Speaker 1: uh and and miss Staff actually runs the injury chart.

473
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Speaker 1: But in years past, the Giants, like many other teams,

474
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Speaker 1: they had when they look at the personnel folder of

475
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Speaker 1: a draftable player. Okay, there used to be at one point. Again,

476
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it exists today. So when I

477
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Speaker 1: tell you this, I'm not giving up a company secret.

478
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a grading system on every prospect

479
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: of one to five as to his level of health.

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Speaker 1: Five as a pristine player who's never had anything wrong

481
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: with him through his collegiate career. Never missed the practice,

482
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Speaker 1: never missed a game. He's pristine. You don't get too

483
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Speaker 1: many of those. Okay, before means he's had a little

484
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: something minor um, hasn't really affected him, didn't miss any games,

485
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Speaker 1: maybe missed a few practices. It's a minor deal. And

486
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Speaker 1: you know what, it's really not consequential. That's a four.

487
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Speaker 1: A three is okay. This guy needs a minor surgery.

488
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Speaker 1: But it's a minor surgery. It's fixable, it's correctable. He'll

489
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Speaker 1: have a long and productive career. Then you get down

490
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Speaker 1: to the twos and the ones, and I don't even

491
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Speaker 1: want to describe those for you. Usually the policy was

492
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Speaker 1: if the guy is lower than a three, you're not

493
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Speaker 1: drafting him. He he goes in the pile that says

494
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Speaker 1: he's undraftable, he's untouchable, too much of a medical risk.

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Speaker 1: We're not We're not spending a draft pick on this guy.

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Speaker 1: That was the usual m O three and you considered him.

497
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: My suspicion is suspicion. Based on the old grading system

498
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Speaker 1: and everything that I've heard, my suspicion is he was

499
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Speaker 1: probably either a three or four and and that again,

500
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that system is still in place

501
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Speaker 1: here today, but I hope that gives you some clarity

502
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: as to how this goes. And you also know that

503
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: no doctor is acent either. They can't guarantee you. They

504
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: can give you their expert opinion, and then you work

505
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: off of it, and then circumstances could still throw something

506
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: into the fire and blow the whole thing up anyway.

507
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: So I'm just giving you the facts. You can have

508
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: whatever opinion you want, Pete. You want to be angry

509
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: about it, you can. I'm just trying to give you

510
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: the facts. Well I just really wanted to. I just

511
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: gave it to you. I just I just he's he's

512
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Speaker 1: the chief trainer, and the Giants do have a medical staff,

513
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: including orthopedic surgeons on staff who get to review all

514
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: of this stuff. I've just I've just explained it all

515
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: to you and I would assume and by the way,

516
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 1: and by the way, this this is not coming from me.

517
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: This is known around the entire NFL. The Giants are

518
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Speaker 1: one of the most conservative medical conservative medical staffs in

519
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Speaker 1: the National Football League. They are ultra conservative with their

520
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: rehab and with their clearing of guys to get on

521
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: the field and passing the physical. They are ultra conservative.

522
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: So I think, I really think you're barking up the

523
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: wrong tree if you're upset and thinking that guys didn't

524
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: do what they were supposed to do to check this

525
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: thing out. I I just I have a hard time

526
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: believing that. Well. I just can't imagine, you know, a Polly.

527
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine the guy was not endless and

528
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: preek accidents happening. I get it, okay, but I just

529
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I'm standing and saying, Jesus Christ,

530
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: what is he doing the tang go out there any

531
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: and he heard his shoulder. I don't get it. And

532
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: you know I got upset over it because, to be

533
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: quite funk with you, I thought it was a various

534
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: fruit signing by by Garry. I really did. And I

535
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: was very happy about it after reading Walter's great and

536
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: everything else. I think we we we we actually got

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00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: a free want to be honest with you, it is

538
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: the way I looked at it, and so you know,

539
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: I was very positive about it. When I heard yesterday

540
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: would happened, I think weren't if he weren't pat paint

541
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: freak injuries happened. We appreciate the call, and again we

542
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: spent a long time with your call. And because I wanted,

543
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to give you the facts. I just said,

544
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: you can have whatever opinion you want. I'm not here

545
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: to change your opinion. I'm simply here to explain to

546
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: you what I know how these things work, because you know,

547
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: you can have a better informed opinion if you know

548
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: the facts and appreciate than you got and be good

549
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: sounds good. Injuries are the nature of the beast. In

550
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: the National Football League, Remember the Giants drafted David Wilson

551
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: in the first round, Paul and unfortunately, you know what

552
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: happened with him. That's that's another prime example some of

553
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: these things you just don't know. And then if you remember,

554
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: he came back and then reaggravated it. And I remember

555
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: I was at training camp that day. It was one

556
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: of those freak things. Sometimes you hit at the wrong spot.

557
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: What was it. Jamiale McClean had a similar neck issue

558
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: and he actually went through the majority of his career

559
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: and he was fine, continued his career and then and

560
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: then unfortunately at the end here with the Giants to

561
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: hang it up. But he had that co opted to retire. Yes,

562
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: but you have different players, similar injuries. They all follow

563
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: different paths. It's unpredictable. With respect to that, you can't

564
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: classify everybody in the same group. But going back to

565
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: Pete's main point, and we're gonna get to another phone

566
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: caller in a second, you cannot evaluate the true production

567
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: and long term perspective of a player until we see

568
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: what he does over the course of a few years.

569
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: Two thousand eighteen may not tell anything. If two thousand,

570
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: nineteen and twenty become productive, then two thousand eighteen just

571
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: becomes a thing of the past. All right, let's head

572
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: back to the lines. Scott is in New Mexico. Scott,

573
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: what's happening? Hi, guys, good morning, We're actually good afternoon. Uh. First,

574
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Speaker 1: I wanted to say how pleased I was to learn

575
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: that Dave Gentleman's illness absolutely an article I read. I'm

576
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: actually going through a clinical trial myself for a new

577
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: drug for nuness I have, so I have a lot

578
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: of empathy for Dave. It was really gratified to learn

579
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: how well he's doing. Uh. My question really uh in

580
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: regards to you the caller, From what I understand in

581
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: regards to the bild situation. He had shoulder surgery in February,

582
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: and I guess the Giants knew that and evaluated him properly.

583
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: So I don't have any issues with what's transpired. As

584
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: both of you have elaborated on, a freak injury can happen.

585
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: But obviously I don't know if this was to the

586
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: same shoulder that he was operated on, or it's a

587
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: different injury altogether. I don't know if either of you

588
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: now he's his personal medical file is not exactly something

589
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: we're privy to. But but again coach shermer Uh said

590
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: today they knew that there was a previous issue with

591
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: a shoulder, did not indicate if it was the same one.

592
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: And and I stress again the Giants used the word

593
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: aggravated an injury yesterday when they put out their stage.

594
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: They were not they were not hiding this. They were

595
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: not hiding the fact that there had been something before.

596
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm not accusing of of doing that. I'm

597
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: sure they evaluated properly, and I'm sure they kicked to

598
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: an evaluation that he was ready to play. And as

599
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: as you have both said, you know, his freakest things happen. Uh,

600
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: eventually you can't predict those too, you know. And and

601
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: to be to be obvious eyes wide opened, aggravated means

602
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: the injury was there before, which means it had to

603
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: be the same shoulder, right, Okay, we're just using the

604
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: detective knowledge here again. Maybe more something I don't know

605
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: if anyone can answer. I know you just talked to

606
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: a little bit about Odell Beckham and so forth, and

607
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: he's done everything right. But how can ohde'll not be

608
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: influenced by what is going on in the league. I

609
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: know Todd Gurley just signed a really huge contract with

610
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: a four year extension and he's getting sixty million and

611
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,239
Speaker 1: I think I forgot how much is guarantee. I think

612
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: is forty five million is guaranteed. And I looked at

613
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: some of the top players that are getting um mega guarantees,

614
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: obviously Matt Ryan getting a hundred million guaranteed vacuum. Look

615
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: at all of these things with the guaranteed money that

616
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: people are getting in not form an opinion as to

617
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: what he wants. And more importantly, how do teams actually

618
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: how can they run a team when it's sort of

619
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: getting out of here? And as to the guarantee money

620
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: players are getting. I mean Aaron Rodgers. I think Lance

621
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: alluded to the fact that uh Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald,

622
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald and also Earl Thomas is holding out, and

623
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: those are in this, I would say, in the same

624
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: milk as an Odell Beckham's far as talent. So when

625
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: Odell looks at all of these things and sees that

626
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, who in my opinion is not a superior

627
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: talent too, even though he plays quarterbacks, is not a

628
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: superior talent Odell Beckham, how can he not be influenced it?

629
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: And then secondarily the teams actually manage any of this

630
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: with the amount of money they're paying out. I mean,

631
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: I think those are all good questions. Number one, I

632
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: mean the quarterback of the wide receiver two different positions.

633
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: So you know, when you say that Matt Ryan may

634
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: not have as much talent as Odell Beckham, you could

635
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: still argue, though, the quarterback is a lot more valuable

636
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: to a team than a wide receiver, so therefore that

637
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: position is going to be paid accordingly compared to the

638
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: wide receiver. First of all, the salary cap goes up

639
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: every single year. That's pretty much be the trent, and

640
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: the salary cap went up I believe about ten million

641
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: dollars from seventeen to eighteen, and they're expecting it to

642
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: go up as leak revenue continues to improve. So I

643
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: don't think teams are necessarily saying to themselves things are

644
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: getting out of whack. Contracts are all percentage wise within

645
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: the realm of this valery cap, and quarterbacks obviously demand

646
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: the most money because of the importance of that position.

647
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think Odell Beckham and his

648
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: reps just like any other player, like Julio Jones and

649
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: his reps, You're not living in a bubble. You're obviously

650
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: looking at what's going on around the league. But I

651
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: think you're more concerned about players at your position, Scott,

652
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: than necessarily what Aaron Rodgers is getting, because if you're

653
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham's agent or you're Julio jones agent, you're looking

654
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: at what Antonio Brown got, and you're looking at what

655
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: some of the other top receivers, so that when you

656
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: get to the negotiating table, you're like, listen, here's what

657
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: we think our client is. Here's where we think he's

658
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: Within the same conversation, of we'd like to use this

659
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: as a starting point, and most agents, I think would

660
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: tell you the same thing. But every player is different because,

661
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: for example, Julio Jones has a pre existing contract, He's

662
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: got three years left on his deal, whereas Odell Beckham

663
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: is in a situation where he's in the remainder of

664
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: his rookie deally has one year left and he actually

665
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: is looking to extend his deals. So I mean, once again,

666
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: every situation to me is very different. I don't think

667
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: there's two players in the league that can say, hey,

668
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: the guy across the hall from me is in the

669
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: same predicament desire. Well, my question is more related to say,

670
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: for next year. I am just to cite one example.

671
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: I think Joan Orris Jenkins is supposed to be paid,

672
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: if I'm correct, like throught million dollars next year. And

673
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: if they're going to be paying Landing Collins and Odell Beckham,

674
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: will assume that's going to happen. Uh, there's going to

675
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: be uh somewhere. I would have imagine north of fifty

676
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: million guaranteed for Odell. I don't know what Landon Collins

677
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: is going to bring, but how does that allow the

678
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: Giants for example, then to fulfill a contract with say

679
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: Joanorris Jenkins, who was a great player too. But but

680
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: does it make it more difficult? And that's really the

681
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: question I was trying. I mean, I think you answered

682
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: the question without even posing it to us. I mean,

683
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: I think it's a challenge renning general manager when they've

684
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: got to balance the budget. I mean, that's what the

685
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: salary cap is. So that's why I'm gonna go back

686
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: to the Falcons. Not that this is Falcons Kickoff Live,

687
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: but Julio Jones had an issue with his contract. The

688
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: Falcon released a statement yesterday that he's gonna show up

689
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: and they made it clear they're not gonna retweak his deal,

690
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: and the rationale being Scott which which is a parallel

691
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: to the Giants. If you're Thomas Dematrof, the general manager

692
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: of the Falcons, you say to yourself, I've got to

693
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: pay Jake Matthews, my top offensive lineman. I've got to

694
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: pay Grady Jarrett, one of my top defensive linement if

695
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: you remember, who had a hell of a performance against

696
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: the Patriots in the Super Bowl a few years ago.

697
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: And I gotta worry about Ricardo Allen. My up and

698
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: coming safety. So right now, I can't afford to re

699
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: examine a contract that I already have on the books,

700
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: and we have Julio Jones penciled in. So the Giants

701
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: are gonna be no different. They've got to take care

702
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: of players, and they've got to prioritize them. As guys

703
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: have expiring deals. Those players take prior alan sit so

704
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: that you're not in a position where you gotta pay

705
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: five or six guys all of a sudden at once.

706
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: Most teams they try to stagger the contracts so that

707
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: this way they can have some breathing room in between

708
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: the negotiations. In short, this is why many teams actually

709
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: hires somebody in the front office who, if not officially,

710
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: is unofficially called their capologies. Because this is a very

711
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: difficult and sticky mathematical equation that you have to juggle

712
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: every single season. You know, for us to sit here

713
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: and give you a simple ten second answer is not

714
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: going to sue. No. I realized that, uh, my last question,

715
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: I was referring to Earl Thomas a little earlier, and

716
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't at least it appears he doesn't want to

717
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: sign with Seattle. Is there any chance in hell that

718
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: we actually could make a deal to get somebody like

719
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas on our team. And I don't know what

720
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: that would indicate so far as players or trade, but

721
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: I know he was talking to Oakland. I don't know

722
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: if that went anywhere, But is there a possibility of

723
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: something like that materializing? I can take the answer. We'll

724
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: let you go on that note Earl Thomas. First of all,

725
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, depends on the asking price for the Seattle Seahawks,

726
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they want some good value in return.

727
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: But here's the other thing that I think you gotta understand, Scott.

728
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: You were just talking about paying Landon Collins and paying

729
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: Oldell Beckham and paying this guy and that guy, Earl Thomas,

730
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: is in the final year of his contract. So if

731
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: you acquire Earl Thomas, Paul and you give up resources,

732
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: then you got to think about, well, it's not gonna

733
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: be a one year rental. You're gonna have to give

734
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: him a long term deal. And by the way, with

735
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: all due respect, he's not going to the five and

736
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: ten for his next contract. Yeah, he's shopping at Sex

737
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: Fifth Avenue for that next deal exactly. So you know

738
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: that's a part of the mindset whenever you go out

739
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, player is unhappy, he wants to move, Okay,

740
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: so I gotta give up resources for him first because

741
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: he's not an outright free agent, Paul. And then on

742
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: top of that, then I have to find a way

743
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: to give him a lucrative contract. I would be very,

744
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: very surprise situation if he wound up here. Let's head

745
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: back to the phone lines. We got Len in Columbia, Maryland. Len,

746
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey? Len? Guys, how are you doing? What

747
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: are you coming up? Good? Good? Hey? Couple of topics. Um,

748
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: I want to say something about Bill. Um. I saw, Uh,

749
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: the best we were going to get out of Bills

750
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: this year was that maybe by the second half of

751
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: the season a role would begin to emerge and he'd

752
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: be invested in the system. And then going into next

753
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: year we'd know more about Apple and as Lance alluded to,

754
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: the contract with Jenkins, maybe that's an expiring contract, Maybe

755
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: that's something we don't want to pay thirteen million dollars.

756
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: So Bill slides in. But I really didn't expect that

757
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: we were going to get him in week one. I mean,

758
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: it's a shame that there's this injury. But let me

759
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: let me, let me get it away from the doctors

760
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: for a second. I saw a photo of the guy

761
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: just I think two days ago, and he's he's wearing

762
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: forty one, right. I think there's I think the uniform

763
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: number what he wants. Um. I know he's six ft one,

764
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: but the guy looked really slight. I mean he's a

765
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy eight pounds. There's a chance when Bill

766
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: got when Bill got on the field this year, he

767
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: was going to be the lightest guy on the field.

768
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: Hold on a second line, hold on, hold on? Didn't

769
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: you and John? I was just going to refer this

770
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: and the number was a little bit higher than well

771
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: what was expecting. No, I'm glad you brought that up, Lenn.

772
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you went online or you've seen

773
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: some of the Reason shows. But John and I we

774
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: spoke to his defensive backs coach at Western Michigan, and

775
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: we spoke to his head coach and the head coach.

776
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: We were asking him about what he played at. He

777
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: said he played at about one ninety when he was

778
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: at Western Michigan, and he wound up losing a lot

779
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: of weight because of the process and getting ready for

780
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: the supplemental draft and the nerves and everything that came

781
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: with that. But he felt that he could get back

782
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: to one ninety, which was a reasonable wait for him

783
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: to play at. And there have been questions to your

784
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: point about his frame and the defensive backs coach said,

785
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: the one thing that he's going to look to improve

786
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: is adding more muscle and being better in terms of

787
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: stopping the run. But they felt that the weight and

788
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: the frame was more than suitable to be a cover

789
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: corner in this league. Through press coverage, that was not

790
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: a concern. And remember something, as you draft a player,

791
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: you're expecting him to mature, both physically and mentally and

792
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: become more and more part of what you're going to do. Look,

793
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm I told you guys this before the Giants even

794
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: drafted him. I did not expect him to be a

795
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: plug and play player right away, Yeah right right, Well

796
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: I didn't. Yeah, well I don't think anybody really did.

797
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: And again, I thought, you know, the scenario would be

798
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: second half, a role would begin to emerge, the guy

799
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: was invested in the system, and you know where here

800
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: he is. Maybe he's maybe he's a replacement next year.

801
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: For Jenkins, Jenkins or Apple. Listen, I hope the coach

802
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: from Western Michigan is correct. Let me let me throw

803
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: this idea out at the end, and this is I'm

804
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: not trying to, you know, get everybody riled up when

805
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: I say this. If he had gotten drafted this year,

806
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: he had been the sixties six pick in the draft.

807
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: You don't pick a guy. You don't pick a guy

808
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: who weighs a d seventy eight pounds with the sill.

809
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: Let me let me say something about Barkley. Um. I

810
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: saw something. I don't know where. I picked it up,

811
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: some chat room something. It's Sean O'Hara. She's I'd love

812
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: to talk to Sean about this. He said he thought

813
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart was going to be at the starting running

814
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: I can't even get through without laughing, the starting running

815
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: back Game one against Shacksonville. I believe he said that

816
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: on NFL network. Yeah, Lenn, I believe he's made that

817
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: comment on NFL Network. Sean is here. He'll be on

818
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: the MSG show later on too. I have not discussed

819
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: that with him, but I wouldn't be surprised if what

820
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: he meant by that is first series games Stewart might

821
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: be the guy who's on the field, you know, the

822
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: first series, as opposed to say Kwan blankly, there's nothing

823
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: wrong with Jonathan Jonathan Stewart taking the first snap of

824
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: the season. Honestly, that that doesn't that's irrelevant. It means nothing.

825
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: Do you get a number one in the starting column

826
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: based on who's on the field for the first play

827
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: of the game. That's what I mean. You play more snaps.

828
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: It means not that, so and and but frankly, if

829
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: if that the coaching staff feels that Stowart, being a

830
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: veteran and has been around a while, they want to

831
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: reward him by giving him the first snap of the game,

832
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. Fans or fans and coaches

833
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: and coaches and the and the fans from I'll be there,

834
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: you know, season ticket, so I'll be the game land.

835
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: Can I make you one promise? Can I make you one?

836
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: Can I make you one promise? Can't not put Barkley

837
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: on the field. On that first serious point, I didn't

838
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: say he's not gonna play the first series, but but

839
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: Sean may have alluded to Stewart getting the first snap,

840
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna make you one promise, And I am

841
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: not Pat Shermer. I'm Plato, not Pat Shermer. I promise

842
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: you Barkley is gonna get a bunch of touches against Jacksonville. Yeah,

843
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: I would promise you, Land, I would not lose sleep, Land,

844
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: I would not lose sleep over Barkley. And how many

845
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 1: touches he's gonna get. I think he'll get plenty of touches.

846
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: But I think it's a little overreaction. And you made

847
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: a good point. There's a reason why I say fan

848
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: is short for fanatical, because sometimes reality is not necessarily

849
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: priority number one of the conversation. And Len, and I

850
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: respect you for pointing that out, but I always say this.

851
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: It's starting in the National Football League is one of

852
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: the most diculous stats because snap count is much more

853
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: indicative of the contributions of a player and the usage

854
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: of a player than a start. Because I could put

855
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman, Lenn, I could put an extra offensive

856
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: lineman on the field. He gets called the starter, and

857
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: then I take him out and I don't play him

858
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 1: the rest of the game, So who cares who starts? Okay, well,

859
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: in I wanted to talk about Beckham, but if you

860
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: got in twenty seconds. Yeah, tell me, tell me what

861
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: the advantage is of starting Jonathan Stewart on that first series? Listen,

862
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: it could be. Could it not be out of respect

863
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: for his career and what he means that they brought

864
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: him in here for intangibles too, not just as a player,

865
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: but for intangibles. If they decide to do that. And

866
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: again we're talking ridiculous because pat start. But but but

867
00:46:54,200 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: with three guys, can I say something? Let love to

868
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: say one thing, one thing? Do you would you be

869
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: happy if Jonathan Stewart played the first snap, went to

870
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: the bench, didn't see the field the rest of the game,

871
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: and Barkley played the other sixty five? Is that okay

872
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: with you? Hey Paul, Hey Paul. If that's the best

873
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: I could get, well, let let before you go on

874
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: about beck of the other thing that I loved. The

875
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: other thing that I'd love to ask you is when

876
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: is the last time that the first snap of a

877
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: season dictates what happens the rest of the year. I mean,

878
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: I've never seen somebody emphasized so much of the first

879
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: snap of the year. We we gotta run, I gotta

880
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: get out the home game. It's a home game against

881
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: Tom Coplin and the Jacksonville Jaguars were coming off three

882
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: and thirteen the Crownsics. Maybe he maybe, maybe maybe Barkley

883
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 1: will be on the field and take the first snap.

884
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: We don't know, Barkley, yeah, Barkley, we don't know. This

885
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: was just a leg I can only I can only listen.

886
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: Let me say something real quick. I gotta go do

887
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: an MSG hit. I'll call you very yeah, very good.

888
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: You know, Lance, you know you made a statement about

889
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: these guys who were in the last year of their

890
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: contract and holding out and so forth, and you know,

891
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: sometimes you get a different breed of guys. I mean,

892
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: we're we're talking about and I know Jones is a

893
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: great player too, and Donald, you know, the Linement is

894
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: a terrific player. But we're talking about a different breed

895
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: of player here, guys. I mean we're talking about old

896
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: Bill Beckham, I mean, the guy with the guys two

897
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: or three great players in the NFL. But but in fairness,

898
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean Julio Jones was threatening to hold out. I mean,

899
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy to put Julio on Oldell

900
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: Beckham in the same grouping. Those are two of the

901
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: top caliber wide. I don't think that's and and and No.

902
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: I'll let you continue. Aaron Donald, Aaron Donald, we're talking

903
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: about an elite defensive lineman, Khalil Mack. I mean these

904
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: guys that are holding out, It's not apples and oranges

905
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: to Odell Beckham. I think all of these players are

906
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: within the same conversation in terms of the best of

907
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: their respective positions. Okay, here's here's my and and you

908
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: guys always are able to smooth this out. But here's

909
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: here's my giant bias. He's the best player in the NFL.

910
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham. Sixteen games full time for the Giants means

911
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: four wins by himself, he meets four wins. So here's

912
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: you know this this relates to Barkley. Also, why why

913
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: did Barkley get a four year contract as a second

914
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: pick in the draft and not a five year contract? Well,

915
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: everybody gets a four year contract, is a first I thought, Well, no,

916
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: the fifth year is a team option. That's how every

917
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: contract is structured. It's a four year deal and then

918
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: the team can pick up the fifth year option. That

919
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: how every deal of structure in the first round. Okay,

920
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: it well, is that the way Barkley's contract reads. Yes,

921
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: I mean he's got the it's a fifty year option.

922
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: That's how every first round contract. What I'm saying is,

923
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: I think, from the player's standpoint, these five year contract,

924
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: these these options to the team to keep them for

925
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: I think that's ridiculous. Why is it ridiculous? Though? I

926
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: mean that that's how it's from a management standpoint. You're

927
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: able to control your costs for one more year. Absolutely well, well,

928
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: you're looking at it through the players lens, and I understand.

929
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: But from the question camp, from from the cot, you know,

930
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: but from Barley, I wanted to be over its four

931
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: years because I want that second contract. Well, and I

932
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: completely understand that. But I think from the team perspective,

933
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: they're I could have complained because you're investing in a

934
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: guy with a lot of potential and upside. And keep

935
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: this in mind, we've seen more often than not sometimes

936
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: the first round pick, you know, year three maybe the

937
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: breakout year, and and it may not be year one

938
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: or year two, and you want more time to evaluate

939
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: the player. Okay, cut me off if you want. I

940
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: wanted to add something to that, but you know, stop me,

941
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: and I understand completely. Um, this time last year, Barkley

942
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 1: wasn't hurt yet. Not not Barkley. Beckham wasn't hurt yet. Okay,

943
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: what what hadn't Beckham done that would make you not

944
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: call him in and say, odell, let's redo the contract

945
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: right now? What happened? He doing? Well? He had two

946
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: years left on his contract that time. The mathematics are

947
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: a little bit different, but that's the only thing, right. Well,

948
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: but it's a similar it's you know, the injury happened,

949
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: so it's really a different story. Well of course, but

950
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: let it's the same thing that I talked about with

951
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: Julio Jones and the Falcons. Julio has three years left

952
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: on his contract, so yeah, you have to think about this.

953
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it through the team perspective. I understand

954
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: there's two sides to everything if you're a general manager, okay,

955
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: of team. And we went over with Scott, our previous caller,

956
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: about how you got to balance the books if you

957
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: start setting a precedent for your team. Len that every

958
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: time a guy I think out plays his contract, I

959
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: gotta go back and reevaluated and renegotiate it. You're gonna

960
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: wind up potentially renegotiating every single contract on your roster,

961
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: and you can't financially do that, especially with the restrictions

962
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: on the salary cap. So I think part of that

963
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: is the team rationale. If everybody outplays their contract two

964
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: years in and then year three, I gotta renegotiate it.

965
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: That means now the next wide receiver is gonna come

966
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: down knocking on my door saying, well, listen, you did

967
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: that for this guy. Now I gotta care for this guy.

968
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: It's a dangerous territory. And agree with you completely, But

969
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: let let me keep saying. Let me let me tell

970
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: you one more Let me say one more thing. You're

971
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: you're not talking about guys in the last year there,

972
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: You're talking about Odell Beckham and Julio Tunes. We're talking

973
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: about I get these are once in a lifetime. These

974
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: are one some of the lifetime players. Well, let me

975
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: ask you this, lend Levy on Bell, would you consider

976
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: him a once in a lifetime player? Right for the

977
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: Steelers running Yeah, okay, yeah, well yeah, but I mean no,

978
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: it hasn't done to deserve the money. To deserve money. Well,

979
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: but it's relevant. I think that's relevant because Pittsburgh also

980
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: was of the mindset, Yeah, Bell is extremely valuable, But

981
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's also thinking about we're gonna have to pay perhaps

982
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger's successor We're gonna have to pay an offensive lineman,

983
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to pay a defensive lineman. Do we

984
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: want to lock up that much money in a running

985
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: back that only has played sixteen games one season in

986
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: his career and also plays a position that when you

987
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: start to get to thirty is a turning point. So

988
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: it's not so simple as it's once in a lifetime talent.

989
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: There's a lot of un intangibles. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

990
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: I guess. Hey, it's a it's a great day to

991
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: be a Giants fan, guys. Indeed, it's the start of

992
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: a new camp. Lend before and before I go, I

993
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: have a question for you, Okay, I just want to

994
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: prepare you, Lenn If the Giants are in the red zone,

995
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: they're on the goal line and Jonathan Stewart gets a

996
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: carry instead of see Kawan Barkley, I just want to

997
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: make sure you're gonna be calm, You're gonna be okay,

998
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna run out of the stadium. Can

999
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: you promise me that I'll be jumping up and down? Okay,

1000
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure there's a possibility that

1001
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: may happen. I just want Stewart. Okay. I will let

1002
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. No, Len you got We'll cut it

1003
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: off at five. Appreciate the phone call. Lennon, Columbia, Maryland,

1004
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: one of our passionate fans. Yeah. I can't believe that

1005
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: we had an entire back and forth conversation about who

1006
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: may get the first snap and who may get the

1007
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: first carry in the running back room. I think the

1008
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: Giants and the team have bigger fish to fry than

1009
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: necessarily how the carry is gonna be divvied up. But

1010
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: in any backfield, and all you need to do is

1011
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: look at the Vikings in all seriousness, the Vikings at

1012
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook as they're starting running back at the beginning

1013
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: of the season last year, he unforged. They got hurt

1014
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: first few games into the year, and then Latavius Murray

1015
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: and Jerick McKinnon took over and they split the carries

1016
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: between both of them. And now I'm not saying that

1017
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: sat Kwon Barkley is gonna be a fifty fifty split

1018
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: with Jonathan Stewart. The bottom line is you need multiple

1019
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: options in the backfield. You can't expect to give one

1020
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: guy in particular all the carries. And if you want

1021
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: to look at a blueprint, Christian McCaffrey last year with

1022
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: the Panthers was first round pick for Carolina and he

1023
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: shared the workload with Jonathan Stewart. Now, McCaffrey was also

1024
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: more of a receiver than necessarily a running back last year.

1025
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 1: Based on what Carolina did in their offense. How about

1026
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 1: the Saints. Alvin Camara at a very productive rookie campaign

1027
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: and he split duties with mark Ingram. So you need

1028
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: to have multiple options to carry the football, to run

1029
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: routes out of the backfield. And they're gonna utilize Jonathan Stewart.

1030
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: I don't anticipate that he's gonna be the heavy lifter

1031
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: in what he did in the early stage of his

1032
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: career in Carolina, but he's gonna be involved. To expect

1033
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: sat Kwan Barkley to get every single carry this season,

1034
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: I think is unrealistic and I don't think the Giants

1035
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: and Pat Tremer figured that that's what they want to do.

1036
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: They need guys like Wayne Colman. They need guys like

1037
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart. I mean, it's interesting when we talk about

1038
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: the running backs, so the Giants all the focuses on

1039
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart and sat Kwon Barkley. Let's not forget Wayne

1040
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: Goldman is an extremely young running back who also has

1041
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: value and is in the developmental phase of his career.

1042
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: And that's somebody that I wouldn't be surprised if he

1043
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: also gets a handful of carries during the course of

1044
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: the year. Those three are going to prove extremely valuable.

1045
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: It can't just be a one man show. Sa Kwan

1046
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: Barkley is an extremely versatile talent, but he has not

1047
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: built to be a workhorse. There is no back right

1048
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: now in the National Football League that any general manager,

1049
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: any head coach says, hey, we're gonna give this guy

1050
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: twenty five carries every single game and nobody's gonna see

1051
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: any light. Levian Bell is probably the unique player in

1052
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: that regard. But also despite all the workload that Bell

1053
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: has gone and the Steelers are also up and down

1054
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 1: in terms of whether or not they want to invest

1055
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: in him long term. So I think that says a

1056
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: lot about the running back position and less thing you

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Speaker 1: want to do is wear down a guy before he

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Speaker 1: even gets through a full sixteen game slate. But not

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Speaker 1: something that I think any Giant fan should be stressed

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Speaker 1: out about. Se Kwon Barkley is gonna get plenty of work.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be an integral part of the offense. You

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Speaker 1: ask any player that has addressed the media, one of

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Speaker 1: the first things they're asked about his sat Kwon Barkley.

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Speaker 1: What jumps out to them about Sa Kwon Barkley? How

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Speaker 1: is he utilized in practice? And nobody ever shows any

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Speaker 1: doubts or short in terms of their response. He has

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Speaker 1: met all of the criteria that the Giants were looking at,

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Speaker 1: and he seems to be making a very strong first

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Speaker 1: impression with a lot of his teammates. With I think

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Speaker 1: says a lot about a rookie. And I'm not talking

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Speaker 1: about him flashing on the field and his mannerisms and

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Speaker 1: how he handles himself and how quickly he can move

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Speaker 1: with the ball. I'm talking about they look at him

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Speaker 1: as about s Kwon Barkley. But John Marrow made a

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Speaker 1: very poignant comment when he spoke to the media today

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Speaker 1: and we were talking about this. Paul and I at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, say Kwan Barkley is an

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Speaker 1: overwhelming talent, but even John Mara said expectations need to

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Speaker 1: be kept in check. Considering he has yet to see

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Speaker 1: one snap on a regular season field. They expect big

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Speaker 1: things out of him, but sometimes when you put a

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Speaker 1: guy too high on the pedestal, the expectations become so

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Speaker 1: overwhelming that if he doesn't meet them right away, then

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Speaker 1: people get literally and it's important to realize he's versatile.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be utilized within this offense, but that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that people have to crown him day one. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a long season. Two zero one, five, one

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Speaker 1: three is the telephone number. Keep that number handy. That

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Speaker 1: will be the number you can utilize the call in

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Speaker 1: al throughout the duration of training camp. And a reminder,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be having our Big Blue Kickoff shows every

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Speaker 1: single day one pm Easter normally it's noon. It will

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Speaker 1: return to noon for the regular season throughout the months

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Speaker 1: of Augusts. For the most part, we'll let you know

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Speaker 1: if anything change. Is gonna be one pm Eastern to

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Speaker 1: two pm Eastern live and then obviously you can check

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Speaker 1: out the archive up on giants dot com, which we

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Speaker 1: put up later on in the day for Paul Detino,

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Speaker 1: who left for bigger priorities. I'm blades Meto he enjoin

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Speaker 1: the rest of your Thursday right here on giants dot com.

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Speaker 1: We'll speak to you tomorrow. I've a going