WEBVTT - Betrayal Weekly: EP 15 - Tammi

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<v Speaker 1>My mom used to always joke around and say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you never marry a doctor because he knows how to

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<v Speaker 1>kill you and get away with it. She always said that,

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<v Speaker 1>so I always had that in the back of my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about

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<v Speaker 2>the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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<v Speaker 2>change everything. Tammy McCrary is a polite, easygoing woman. She's

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<v Speaker 2>quick to laugh and to make herself laugh. She says

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<v Speaker 2>that above all, her kids are her world.

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<v Speaker 1>I have three children, and I treat all of them

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<v Speaker 1>as though they are the only and now my grandchildren.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh those grandkids. That's a whole nother level of love.

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<v Speaker 2>Tammy grew up in Atlanta, where she was raised by

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<v Speaker 2>her mother. She was an only child, just her, her mom,

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<v Speaker 2>and her mom's sister. As a kid, Tammy dreamed of

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<v Speaker 2>having a nuclear family of her own.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of my friends were in a two parent home.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not have the family structure of father and mom,

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<v Speaker 1>so I admired that I wanted to have that for

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<v Speaker 1>myself and for my children.

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<v Speaker 2>In high school, Tammy started dating a guy she'd grown

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<v Speaker 2>up with.

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<v Speaker 1>We hadn't known each other a long time and he'd

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<v Speaker 1>always teased me about being his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a joke at first because Tammy had other plans.

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<v Speaker 1>I had planned to go to college, but when she

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<v Speaker 1>was seventeen, I found out that I was expected.

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<v Speaker 2>Tammy's college plans were put on hold and the two

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<v Speaker 2>got married.

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<v Speaker 1>We both attended the same church, so we had a

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<v Speaker 1>small wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>They loved being young parents. Looking back, she says it

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<v Speaker 2>was easier for them than she expected. By the time

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<v Speaker 2>they were twenty, the young couple bought a house in

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<v Speaker 2>the suburbs of Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>I am an only child, he's an only child, and

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<v Speaker 1>we both came from middle class backgrounds, so we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have those struggles that you would think that a young

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<v Speaker 1>couple would have.

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<v Speaker 2>They were stable and surrounded by community. Tammy and her

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<v Speaker 2>husband had a second child a few years later.

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<v Speaker 1>I had so much support from my mom, from his parents,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had an aunt that was like a mom

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<v Speaker 1>to meet, So I was all about kids. That was

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<v Speaker 1>my life.

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<v Speaker 2>When her kids started school and she had more time

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<v Speaker 2>on her hands, things started changing for Tammy.

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<v Speaker 1>I just got to this place where I wanted more.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to do more the time that I would

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<v Speaker 1>have been in college, you know, having that freedom. I

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<v Speaker 1>was a mom and I was a wife, so I

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<v Speaker 1>missed it.

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<v Speaker 2>She wanted to grow her career, and she realized she

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<v Speaker 2>missed out on so much in her early twenties. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there was more out there for her.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember getting all of this attention from these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, am I really bad attractive?

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<v Speaker 2>She was coming into her own and reevaluating what she wanted,

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<v Speaker 2>including her marriage with her husband.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, I'm not dealing with this. Either you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be married or you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimately, she decided she didn't want to be married, so

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<v Speaker 2>they separated and Tammy got a job as a flight attendant.

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<v Speaker 1>Based out of Chicago.

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<v Speaker 2>She was able to work and travel one week and

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<v Speaker 2>be home full time with her kids the next. But

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<v Speaker 2>in Chicago, she got into a horrible car accident.

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<v Speaker 1>It was actually a situation where I was pronounced dead.

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<v Speaker 1>It took me about six months to a year to

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<v Speaker 1>recover from that car accident. After she recovered, her priorities changed.

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<v Speaker 1>I no longer wanted to be away from my kids.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the main thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So she moved back to Atlanta and got a job

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<v Speaker 2>where she could work from home and focus entirely on

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<v Speaker 2>giving her kids stability.

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<v Speaker 1>I pushed for them to have the best education. I

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<v Speaker 1>never wanted them to feel a difference in their lives

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<v Speaker 1>and the lives of their peers.

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<v Speaker 2>Every other weekend, her kids would stay with their father,

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<v Speaker 2>and on the weekend she had to herself.

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<v Speaker 1>I was hanging out with my cousin, his wife, and

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<v Speaker 1>their friends. We had our little crew, our little clique, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Her cousin would try to set her up on dates.

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<v Speaker 1>They were a professional, successful men, bowyers, doctors. But I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't interested in dating. I want to be a single mom.

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<v Speaker 1>But my kids and I we travel, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>do things, and life is still good.

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<v Speaker 2>On one of these weekends, Tammy, her cousin, and their

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<v Speaker 2>friends decided.

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<v Speaker 1>On a whim to go out to a nightclub. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty wild scene. I can remember some women being

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<v Speaker 1>barely dressed. I had never been before. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just hanging with the crowd, she admits to feeling

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<v Speaker 1>a little out of place. I may have just had

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<v Speaker 1>on jeans and a sweater, definitely no club gear, nothing sexy.

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<v Speaker 2>But she was still getting plenty of attention and even

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<v Speaker 2>locked eyes with a guy across the bar, but I made.

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<v Speaker 1>Eye contact with several people, so you know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>nothing until he walked over to the area where we

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<v Speaker 1>were sitting and he just started throwing money over the area.

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<v Speaker 1>Back then, I think they called it making it rain,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he did that, and you know, we were

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<v Speaker 1>just laughing about it, and everyone was like, oh, drinks

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<v Speaker 1>are on Tammy, because you know, they were picking up

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<v Speaker 1>their money. And then he came back and he introduced himself.

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<v Speaker 2>His name was Eric, and he told her he had

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<v Speaker 2>just moved to Atlanta for a fresh start. They hit

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<v Speaker 2>it off and by the end of the night, she

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<v Speaker 2>gave him her number.

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<v Speaker 1>So crazy, because the rule of thumb was always you

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<v Speaker 1>never met anyone in a club.

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<v Speaker 2>Eric called her on Monday and asked her to lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see the harm. I didn't see the harm

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<v Speaker 1>in it.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, Tammy worked as a loan officer and

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<v Speaker 2>Eric was looking to buy a home. It seemed like

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<v Speaker 2>a possible opportunity for Tammy, and he just moved from Chicago,

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<v Speaker 2>where Tammy used to live. So over lunch they swapped stories.

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed his company very much. Soon he was very attentive.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a great listener, and he definitely retained information. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that was an understatement. He was really smart. He went

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<v Speaker 1>to college really early. He graduated from high school pretty early,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was like he was a whiz kid.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he'd been married before, but it ended abruptly.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that he walked in on her and another man,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was the end of the marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>By the end of that lunch, she got the feeling

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<v Speaker 2>that this was their first date, and they scheduled another.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, of course, you know, my next test is

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<v Speaker 1>to take him around people, just to see how he

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<v Speaker 1>does or what they think about him. And he definitely

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<v Speaker 1>passed that test as well. But she was cautious about

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<v Speaker 1>who she brought around her kids. If I met someone,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't allow anyone to come to my home. We

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<v Speaker 1>would meet out.

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<v Speaker 2>Eric also worked remotely as an electrical engineer, so with

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<v Speaker 2>their flexible work schedules, they went on dates during the day.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no nine to five schedule for neither one

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<v Speaker 1>of us, so there was a great deal of freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>After a few months of casual dating, Tammy's life took

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<v Speaker 2>a turn. The aunt, who was like a second mother

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<v Speaker 2>to her, was living with Tammy at the time, and

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<v Speaker 2>her aunt started to get sick. One night, her health

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<v Speaker 2>declined rapidly.

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<v Speaker 1>She was so ill I had to call paramedtings to

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<v Speaker 1>the house.

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<v Speaker 2>She called Eric to tell him that she was going

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<v Speaker 2>to the hospital and that she was worried. He wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to meet her there to be supportive and in the

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<v Speaker 2>er together, she noticed something interesting about Eric.

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<v Speaker 1>He began interacting with the doctors about my aunt and

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<v Speaker 1>her condition, all these medical terms. I'm curious, like, what

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<v Speaker 1>does he know?

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<v Speaker 2>Eric had said he was an electrical engineer, but at

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital he was talking as if he was a doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>like asking to see the results of tests and pressing

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<v Speaker 2>them to do others.

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<v Speaker 1>At that time, I'm really like, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when he tells me he went to medical school.

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<v Speaker 1>He said he'd.

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<v Speaker 2>Gone to med school at the University of Chicago. Another

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<v Speaker 2>doctor in the room was familiar with the school, so

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<v Speaker 2>the two started chatting about it. Timmy's aunt was stable

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<v Speaker 2>enough to move out of the yr, and finally there

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<v Speaker 2>was an opportunity to ask Eric questions about his past

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<v Speaker 2>and medical school.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I want to know, why aren't you doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>And that led to the conversation of him sharing with

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<v Speaker 1>me his story.

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<v Speaker 2>His story was unlike anything she'd ever heard. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>He explained to me that his parents, along with his

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<v Speaker 1>two sons, were taking a trip by car and they

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<v Speaker 1>were involved in an accident with an eighteen wheeler. He

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<v Speaker 1>said the driver was Dui. He said one son may

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<v Speaker 1>have died on the scene. Father died on the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>and his mom and one son were in the hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>but they both passed before he arrived.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was just heartbroken. He's lost both parents, both children.

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<v Speaker 2>She sat there, stunted. He went on to explain that

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<v Speaker 2>the accident derailed his career. He just started working in

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<v Speaker 2>the er when it happened, but he had to quit.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just so devastating for him to know that

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<v Speaker 1>on a daily basis he's saving lives, but here it

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<v Speaker 1>is he's not able to save the lives of those

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<v Speaker 1>that he loved the most. And so it was just

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<v Speaker 1>too soon for him to go back into medicine. He

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<v Speaker 1>just couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Timmy herself had nearly died in a car accident. With

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<v Speaker 2>Eric sitting in front of her in the hospital waiting room,

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<v Speaker 2>holding back tears, she saw how resilient he was, just

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<v Speaker 2>like her. He'd fought for a new life and a

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<v Speaker 2>new career after a tragedy.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I'm saying, oh, yeah, I understand, I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Eric opened up and shared that he was a doctor

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<v Speaker 2>but had to stop practicing after a family tragedy. He

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<v Speaker 2>lost his parents and two young children in a car accident.

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<v Speaker 2>These revelations and Eric's vulnerability brought he and Tammy closer.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually they made it official. He started coming over to

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<v Speaker 2>her house, where he met her son. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>big step for Tammy. They would make dinner together and

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<v Speaker 2>watch a movie on the couch.

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<v Speaker 1>But on one of these nights, I remember it being

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<v Speaker 1>a Sunday evening, and he received a phone call and

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted some privacy, so he actually came upstairs took

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<v Speaker 1>the phone call in my bedroom, and I just remember

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<v Speaker 1>him yelling for me. Of course, I ran upstairs to

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<v Speaker 1>see what was going on, and he is just like

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<v Speaker 1>an emotional rick. He is crying. I was finally able

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<v Speaker 1>to get him to share with me what was the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when he told me that his stepdaughter had

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<v Speaker 1>committed suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>Tragedy had struck his life again. It was his first

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<v Speaker 2>wife's daughter. He helped raise her.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I'm thinking, oh my gosh, this man. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's devastated, and I was just like, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just stay here. You don't have to go anywhere. You

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<v Speaker 1>can just stay here with us. You definitely don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to be alone at this time with this devastating news.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have anyone else. He just have us. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I think from that moment is when things really progressed.

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<v Speaker 2>After that, Eric started staying over most nights. He took

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<v Speaker 2>the death hard, but he didn't want to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>He did tell me of his plans to pay for

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<v Speaker 1>her service, but he said that he could not bring

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<v Speaker 1>himself to attend.

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<v Speaker 2>He channeled his grief into their relationship. Doting on Timmy

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<v Speaker 2>was a good distraction. He would go above and beyond

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<v Speaker 2>to make her happy.

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<v Speaker 1>If I said I used to love these strawberry oreos,

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<v Speaker 1>but I haven't been able to find him. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know if they make them anymore, he would pop

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<v Speaker 1>up with those strawberry oreos and say I had to

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<v Speaker 1>reach out to some people over in Europe, but I

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<v Speaker 1>had them shipped and here they are. He was like

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<v Speaker 1>that those are the type things that he would do.

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<v Speaker 1>He even gave Timmy a nickname. I'd never had a

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<v Speaker 1>nickname never, but he gave me the name Princess. And

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you just the way he said it, and

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, and he treated her like one. He's

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<v Speaker 1>buying cards, flowers, no special occasions, just because he's writing coins.

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<v Speaker 1>Once I did introduce him to my clique of friends.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he was to say the most wonderful things

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<v Speaker 1>about me. It's like, oh wow, he really loves her that.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd been dating for a few months when Eric said

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted to look at engagement rings together, so he

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<v Speaker 2>took her to a custom jeweler.

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<v Speaker 1>He's telling the guy, you know what he wants and

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<v Speaker 1>he's talking about was a peerless dying. He wanted it

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<v Speaker 1>in an antique setting, and I'm like, what is this?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was ringing up over thirty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the way he put it together, it was beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I was pretty excited.

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<v Speaker 2>She was ready to take the next step with him,

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<v Speaker 2>but the safety of her family and her kids were

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<v Speaker 2>always her first priority. She didn't have the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>meet his parents or his friends back in Chicago, so

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<v Speaker 2>she took it upon herself to vet him. She called

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<v Speaker 2>her friend who was a private investigator. She gave him

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<v Speaker 2>Eric's name and birth date and asked him to run

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<v Speaker 2>a background check.

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<v Speaker 1>He came back and was like, oh, he's Coleen. So

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<v Speaker 1>I felt comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>The findings were reassuring. The next time the topic of

0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.000
<v Speaker 2>marriage came up, she told him that's what she wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>So right then and there, Eric got down on one knee,

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<v Speaker 2>but he didn't have the ring.

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<v Speaker 1>The ring that we looked at that he was planning

0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.680
<v Speaker 1>to get me that would have to be put on

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<v Speaker 1>hold because of the money that he had to spend

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<v Speaker 1>for his stepdaughter's funeral arrangements.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't care about the ring, especially when he was

0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.720
<v Speaker 2>spending that money on something so important. Plus they'd both

0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.760
<v Speaker 2>been married before. They wann't something small anyway. Eric offered

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<v Speaker 2>to take the lead on planning their wedding and sending

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<v Speaker 2>out the invitations.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, oh, wow, this is different because normally that's

0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:51.600
<v Speaker 1>the behavior of the woman. But he wants to do it, okay,

0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.000
<v Speaker 1>So I gave him a list and he created these

0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.960
<v Speaker 1>invitations and we sent them out and then I started

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<v Speaker 1>getting the phone call.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone was just saying Eric was a doctor, I said, what, Well,

0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:15.919
<v Speaker 3>the invitation said doctor Eric Petite and Tammy, So of

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<v Speaker 3>course you know, I reposed him. I said, did you

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<v Speaker 3>put on these invitations.

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<v Speaker 1>That you're a doctor because I never told anyone about that,

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<v Speaker 1>which I did because I felt he was no longer

0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:33.880
<v Speaker 1>practicing wasn't important. And he said, oh, yeah, yeah, I

0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.960
<v Speaker 1>did that. It was actually supposed to be a surprise.

0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:40.800
<v Speaker 1>That was going to be my wedding gift to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to surprise he'd let you know that

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<v Speaker 1>once we come back from our honeymoon that I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>back into medicine.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he pulled out a folder of documents he'd been

0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:55.480
<v Speaker 2>waiting to show her, his letters of recommendation and his

0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:57.240
<v Speaker 2>offer letter from a hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, and what brought this? And he says, well,

0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:06.439
<v Speaker 1>there's been some time, and I have you now, and

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<v Speaker 1>I really feel that you deserve a certain lifestyle and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to provide you with that lifestyle. I'll be

0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:23.800
<v Speaker 1>going to work and I'm just like wow, the choice

0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:24.760
<v Speaker 1>felt selfless.

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<v Speaker 2>It meant a lot to her that he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>provide for her family.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, just start looking at the top private schools,

0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and we need to start looking for another house because

0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I want us to be closer to the hospital. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to look at another house, you want to get

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<v Speaker 1>a condo, whatever you want to do, just go do it.

0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Just start looking. And I'm just thinking, like, you know,

0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.040
<v Speaker 1>someone just called and told me that I have that

0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.960
<v Speaker 1>winning lottery ticket. All my numbers met.

0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.840
<v Speaker 2>He received an advance from the new job, so after

0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.919
<v Speaker 2>their intimate wedding ceremony, Eric paid for a honeymoon to

0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.920
<v Speaker 2>the Bahamas. He wanted the whole family to join them,

0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Tammy's kids and her mom. It was emotional for everyone

0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:16.480
<v Speaker 2>considering what he'd been through. They were his family now.

0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.120
<v Speaker 2>The vacation ended, but the honeymoon didn't.

0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:24.960
<v Speaker 1>And so when we returned, I remember him giving me

0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.920
<v Speaker 1>a check. It was a check for five thousand dollars,

0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:32.600
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, moving forward, I'm taking care of all

0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.280
<v Speaker 1>of the bills and everything.

0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.240
<v Speaker 2>That week, he started his job in one of Atlanta's.

0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Busiest yurs so that meant crazy hours. He was always working,

0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:49.320
<v Speaker 1>always on call. I can still remember some nights when

0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.679
<v Speaker 1>it was like two or three in the morning and

0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:56.040
<v Speaker 1>he would receive a tics or a phone call and

0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:59.720
<v Speaker 1>he would have to jump up and go to the hospital.

0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.679
<v Speaker 2>They shared a car, so every day Tammy drove him

0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:06.679
<v Speaker 2>to work and picked him up. One day, while Tammy

0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.080
<v Speaker 2>was driving, they came upon a car crash.

0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:13.120
<v Speaker 1>It looked like it had just happened. The paramedics had

0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:17.359
<v Speaker 1>not arrived yet, so he jumped out to check on

0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:23.080
<v Speaker 1>those that were involved and get their vitals. There was

0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:27.840
<v Speaker 1>one person that seemed to have been critically injured. He

0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.920
<v Speaker 1>got out to help, and once the paramedics arrived, he

0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:37.840
<v Speaker 1>was able to give them information on each victim. I

0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.960
<v Speaker 1>was impressed, I must say, I was like, Wow, he

0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:42.280
<v Speaker 1>really knows what he's doing.

0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:46.359
<v Speaker 2>He could have saved those people's lives. But this responsibility

0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.640
<v Speaker 2>came at a price. His ships in the er were grueling.

0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:52.240
<v Speaker 2>When she picked him up after work, he looked spent.

0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:56.160
<v Speaker 2>His scrubs were stained and wrinkled, and he would share

0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.160
<v Speaker 2>upsetting stories about what he'd seen.

0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I can remember once he was very disturbed because he

0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:10.560
<v Speaker 1>said that there was a child that came in with

0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:16.520
<v Speaker 1>an injury from the playground and he wasn't able to

0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:21.920
<v Speaker 1>save the child and the child died. So of course

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:27.480
<v Speaker 1>it triggered memories of his children. The work was taking

0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:28.160
<v Speaker 1>a toll on him.

0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Emotionally changing him in more ways than one.

0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:38.200
<v Speaker 1>He became somewhat arrogant. I didn't think anything about it,

0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:42.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was just thinking back, Okay, So he's

0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:46.920
<v Speaker 1>back in his zone, in his doctor's zone. So that's

0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:49.080
<v Speaker 1>where all of that is coming from.

0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:53.000
<v Speaker 2>On his days off, he rested and watched his favorite

0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:59.720
<v Speaker 2>TV show, episode after episode of Er that was his

0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:05.600
<v Speaker 2>favorite Shaw. After a few months of marriage, they had

0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.399
<v Speaker 2>a routine. She dropped him off at work, he texted

0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:10.480
<v Speaker 2>throughout the day to keep her updated on when he'd

0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.800
<v Speaker 2>be done, and on the drive home, they debriefed. That

0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:17.120
<v Speaker 2>was their thing. They did this day in and day out,

0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.600
<v Speaker 2>week after week, until.

0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:23.359
<v Speaker 1>It was on a Sunday, we went to church and

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:29.800
<v Speaker 1>came back home, spent the afternoon together, and he said

0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:34.760
<v Speaker 1>he had to go in for the evening. But whenever

0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 1>he was away, he would always call and check in,

0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:42.679
<v Speaker 1>see how things are going with myself, let me know

0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:46.199
<v Speaker 1>what's going on with him. It was weird that this

0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 1>time I had not heard from him at all. I

0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:55.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't alarmed, and then the next morning still hadn't heard

0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:58.560
<v Speaker 1>from him. And then once it started getting late into

0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:03.399
<v Speaker 1>the morning, then I did start to worry. I tried

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:09.359
<v Speaker 1>to call him on both cell phones. No answer, so

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:12.240
<v Speaker 1>of course I'm thinking, well, maybe he's tied up or whatever.

0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:17.399
<v Speaker 1>After a while, I said, I've never called the hospital,

0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:23.439
<v Speaker 1>but I'm calling today. And when I called, they're like,

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:30.800
<v Speaker 1>there's no one here with that name. Okay, well they

0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:34.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know all of the doctors, you know, And I'm like, okay,

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:37.600
<v Speaker 1>let me try these cell phones again. And finally someone

0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 1>answers the cell phone, but it's not him. There was

0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:45.800
<v Speaker 1>a security guard at the hospital. When I asked for him.

0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:49.920
<v Speaker 1>The guy he's like, are you talking about the guy

0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 1>that had this cell phone? And I'm like, yeah, yeah,

0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:57.640
<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm talking about. He's like, oh, yeah, well

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:03.879
<v Speaker 1>he was arrested last night or impersonating a doctor.

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Tammy hadn't heard from her husband and was getting concerned.

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Finally someone answered his cell phone. It was a security

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.719
<v Speaker 2>guard at the hospital who told her that Eric had

0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 2>been arrested last night for impersonating a doctor. And strangely,

0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 2>the security guard seemed to know Eric pretty well.

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>He said, I don't know why you would do that

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:45.639
<v Speaker 1>because I had really grown to like him, so security

0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:47.200
<v Speaker 1>they were familiar with him.

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Security knew him because Eric had been going into the

0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 2>hospital every day when she dropped him off. He got

0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 2>in using a forged ID card.

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 1>He had a badge that actually belonged to a doctor,

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 1>but he took that badge and put his picture on it.

0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:11.240
<v Speaker 2>Every day for months, he strolled the hospital hallways and

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 2>mingled with nurses and staff. He introduced himself as doctor

0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Eric Petite. Everyone there knew who he was, or thought

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 2>they did.

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:27.159
<v Speaker 1>There's one thing to say that you're a doctor, but

0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:32.760
<v Speaker 1>to actually go through the act and show up on site,

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 1>and then to actually walk around the hospital and interact

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 1>with other doctors, that is something different.

0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Tammy was sitting at her kitchen table hearing from a

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 2>complete stranger that her husband was a stranger himself.

0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 1>And the one thing that I just kept thinking was

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 1>who is this person? Have I been with? An axe murderer,

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:09.680
<v Speaker 1>a serial rapist. I've got to find out this person's

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>real name. So she started digging. He had a buffle

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:20.439
<v Speaker 1>bag that was in the closet. Man, I dumped everything

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>out of that bag, and I just started going through

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 1>every piece of paper that I could find because I'm

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 1>looking for clues. I came across his divorce decree. It

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:43.239
<v Speaker 1>clearly states that his wife couldn't find him, didn't know

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 1>where he was, and she fouled for a divorce and

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:51.879
<v Speaker 1>it was granted on the grounds of abandonment.

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:55.840
<v Speaker 2>So his marriage hadn't ended like he said, with his

0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:57.200
<v Speaker 2>wife cheating on him.

0:27:57.720 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 1>But one thing she found did.

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Corroborate his back story death certificates for his children.

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:10.160
<v Speaker 1>I myself had never laid eyes on a death certificate before,

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 1>with the notary sticker and everything.

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 2>What was real and what wasn't. There was so much

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 2>contradictory information in these documents.

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:23.880
<v Speaker 1>I also came across some papers showing me that he

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 1>was on probation, so he really wasn't supposed to be

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:33.879
<v Speaker 1>in Georgia. I came across telephone numbers he goes on

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 1>the probation stuff, and I just started calling those numbers.

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>One of the numbers just happened to be to this

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 1>really nice young lady, and you know who she was,

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>his mother. His mother was very much alive. There was

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:07.040
<v Speaker 1>no accident, and she confirmed that no, his kids are fine,

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 1>and there was a stepdaughter, but of course she was

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>fine as well.

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 2>The death certificates in her hands were forged. His mother

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 2>said she hadn't talked to her son in years. She

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>was a devout Jehovah's witness, and so was the rest

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 2>of his family.

0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Eric had left the faith, so because he was no

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 1>longer practicing the religion, his parents were forced or obligated

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>to treat him as though he was dead. That's the

0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 1>way it was explained to me. So that's why he

0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>was disconnected from his parents.

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 2>His mom provided some answers, but Tammy was still in

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 2>the dark as to where he was, so she started

0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 2>calling local police precincts.

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 1>I found out where they had taken him, and I

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 1>went to visit him because I wanted to hear his version.

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to see what he was going to say

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>to me.

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:19.560
<v Speaker 2>On the drive to jail, she decided she was going

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 2>to play dumb and not reveal anything she knew, just

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 2>to see what he would say.

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to see what he was going to

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>tell me. He still held on to the fact that

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>he was a doctor. She went along with it as

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 1>he stuck to his line with conviction. How do you

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>as a doctor end up being in jail? How does

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 1>that happen? And he tried to explain to me that

0:30:55.120 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 1>he ended up getting into an altercation with someone at

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:04.239
<v Speaker 1>the hospital, which made no sense to me. I let

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 1>him tell his story and I said nothing.

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Eric finished his story and they sat there in silence.

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Before Tammy got up to leave, she asked him one

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 2>final question, that.

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<v Speaker 1>To say why, and he pretended to not understand.

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't going to give up the act, so she

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 2>had to walk away. That was the last time they

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 2>ever interacted. If he wasn't going to tell her the truth,

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>she'd have to find it herself.

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 1>I was on the mission to find out who was

0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>this person.

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 2>And she started by finding out if his name was

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<v Speaker 2>even real.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing I could think of in my head

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<v Speaker 1>was that, okay, if I could make contact with the

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 1>media and have them post a picture of this person.

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<v Speaker 1>I just felt like once a picture was posted, someone

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 1>would come forward and say, oh, I know him.

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 2>So she put him on the news. The story became

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 2>a sensation in Atlanta.

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 1>And I never thought that the story would get the

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<v Speaker 1>attention that it received.

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 2>All that attention did bring some answers. First, that Eric

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Petite was in fact his legal name.

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 1>It did surprise me that he used his real name.

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<v Speaker 1>I did later understand why my friend that had the

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 1>security firm could not find any information on him because

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have his correct date of birth. So the

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 1>age that he had given me we were the same age.

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I was in my late thirties, but he was actually

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight.

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Friends of theirs started coming out of the woodwork saying

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 2>that Eric owed them money, just.

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Different people that we know, you know, asking for money.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I'm thinking that he's making money, he's really not.

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 1>And that wasn't all. When he was arrested. He was

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 1>in possession of credit cards that did not belong to him.

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 1>The credit cards belonged to other women. There were women

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:47.040
<v Speaker 1>that worked at the hospital that had given him their

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>credit card because they thought he was doctor Berteite. And

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 1>he may have given some story like oh I ran

0:33:56.360 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 1>out the house because of an emergency and I left

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>my wallet and then thinking that he doctor Fatez.

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 2>So that's how he'd been affording their lifestyle for the

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 2>past year, unborrowed money and stolen credit cards.

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 1>I was devastated. I was very angry and disappointed at

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:28.360
<v Speaker 1>myself all the level of embarrassment. I was so embarrassed.

0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 1>When people hear stories, they always seem to think, Oh,

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that would never happen to me. I would have known,

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, or how could you not have known? He

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 1>was a doctor? And you know, and I always ask

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 1>the question, you explained to me how you would have

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:50.959
<v Speaker 1>known that he wasn't a doctor? You tell me how

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 1>you would have known? Because he's at the hospital.

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was at the hospital wearing scrubs with

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 2>an ID car to match. He'd successfully fooled the hospital staff,

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 2>even the security guards for months. But that didn't stop

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.320
<v Speaker 2>people in town from judging Tammy.

0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>People were harsh. Oh my gosh, some of the things

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:23.279
<v Speaker 1>that I read I could not read because of you know,

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 1>the things that people were saying about how stupid I was,

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 1>how dumb? How could you you know? It was bad?

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:36.239
<v Speaker 1>So I was so embarrassed. You know, I couldn't even

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 1>even go to church. I could not because I was

0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>so embarrassed, so embarrassed.

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Over time, she realized that this wasn't her shame to carry,

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.720
<v Speaker 2>and slowly she started entering the world again.

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 1>It took me about two to three months to just

0:35:55.440 --> 0:36:03.840
<v Speaker 1>blend back into society. I eventually just stopped trying to

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 1>defend myself and I just began to focus on moving forward.

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 1>That's all I focused on.

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Charges were brought against Eric for identity fraud and credit

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 2>card theft. After the sentencing hearing, reporters swarmed the courthouse.

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 2>When asked for comment, Eric spoke directly to Tammy. He

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:31.399
<v Speaker 2>apologized to her.

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 1>It meant nothing. It meant nothing to me. I did

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 1>not show up for his sentencing.

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 2>I didn't cheer, but she did care about her privacy

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:48.279
<v Speaker 2>and protecting her family from Eric.

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I changed my telephone numbers so that he would not

0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 1>be able to contact me.

0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Looking back years later, there's only one thing that still

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 2>haunts her.

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 1>He would have like syringes in his pocket, and there

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:14.879
<v Speaker 1>was something in those syringes. Some type of solution. Makes

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:18.840
<v Speaker 1>me think, Like my mom used to always joke around

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>and say, oh, you never marry a doctor because he

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 1>knows how to kill you and get away with it.

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 1>She always said that, so I always had that in

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the back of my head. But I'm just so thankful

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:44.920
<v Speaker 1>that the situation did not have a tragic end. I

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 1>really am today.

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Tammy still lives in Atlanta, and.

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:57.399
<v Speaker 1>Well, believe it or not, I am married again. I

0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:00.360
<v Speaker 1>was just excited to be with someone that that was

0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 1>genuine that had a really good heart, and he was real.

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 2>She finds that sharing her story takes the power away

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 2>from Eric and people like him.

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not afraid to talk about how I was vulnerable

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 1>and how I allowed this person in not seeing the

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:30.959
<v Speaker 1>danger and just totally letting my guard down, because I'm

0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:34.720
<v Speaker 1>so caught up on the fact that all this person

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 1>has lost everyone and everything and they've lost nothing. It's

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 1>all a lot.

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 2>The end all of our weekly episodes with the same question,

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<v Speaker 2>why do you want to tell your story?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why people feel that bay are above

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>being deceived. Everyone has an area of weakness, so I

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.439
<v Speaker 1>just don't want us to think that it can never

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:23.279
<v Speaker 1>happen to me. No one is above this section. On

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the next episode of Betrayal, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Can feel myself start to just float away because what

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 4>I am seeing I just cannot comprehend. And while holding

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 4>his phone in my left hand, I take my phone

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<v Speaker 4>in my right and.

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<v Speaker 1>I just start recording.

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