WEBVTT - Ep. 163: Wildcatters 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat your podcasting in you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.360 folk bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:28.480 can't predict anything. Okay, we're joined today by Adam Weatherbye, 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.240 like the actual weather Be. Like. When I hear weather Be, 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:38.480 I'm thinking weather Be. Right, That's that's who we are. 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.400 Are there other weatherbies running around who aren't weatherbies? You know? 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.440 There was some ount in California where we came from 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:47.160 that had a furniture company. So here moved to Wyoming. 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.440 Everybody says, are you weather Be with the gun company? 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:50.839 I say yes, And out there they said, are you 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.000 with the furniture company? Yeah? That kind of speaks. That 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:57.120 speaks to the state mentality to it does and your 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:01.120 your your wife, Brenda? Can I be am? I being presumptuous? 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.120 Are you? What's your last name? Brenda? Alright? Well, you 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:09.040 know it's always been there are there are some women 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:15.760 out there who don't honor their man? Speaking to my wife, No, 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:17.840 she is proud to have the weather Be name. She 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.120 because the furniture company. Right, that's right. She thought, cool, 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:25.560 we're getting cool sofas. And now she's a hunter. But yeah, 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.039 we're high school sweethearts. Actually, so we've been together for 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.840 since she was years fourteen and I was fifteen and yeah, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:38.920 married twenty three together. You guys started dating at fourteen 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.199 and fifteen. Yeah, and I didn't know what a weather 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.360 be was when I started dating. She didn't grow up 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.000 in a hunter shoes, had no clue. She liked me 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.000 for other reasons, like dot let's discuss the radar. Are 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.840 you in in fourteen and fifty freshmen in high school? 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:57.080 And you guys didn't like have little breakups and the Yeah, 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.120 parents had to drop us off, Like our first date 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.520 was like a valance times day went to a steakhouse. 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.640 I didn't have enough money. Tax and tipping on stuff 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:06.480 was foreign to me, so I had to call my dad. 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:08.240 He came down to pick us up and help pay 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.720 the bill. No, it's a little local thing called a 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.280 J spurs. When I was a kid, you want on 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.520 a date, you took on the red lofter. We did 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:23.280 not long John Silver's no Perkins since fourteen and fifteen, 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:25.200 you guys got a hot tip. You got a hot 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:29.960 tip for marriage. Be friends, really really good friends. That 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:33.040 is not what Adam was going to say. Be passionate friends. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.920 How about no we're just we are. We're just best friends. 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.320 We've just always even in high school whatever, we just 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.200 we've just been best friends. And now we're running a 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.359 third generation family business together. So we do that together. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.960 So it's late at night, like ten thirty and she 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.000 wants to talk about some hr thing or I want 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.639 to talk about a new product, and it's like, no boundaries. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.440 So you guys do you guys do some boundaries? We 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:58.600 try to have bounties like certain times like hey, we're 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:00.360 not going to talk about business right out, but with 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:01.880 this move, the last year and everything, there's just a 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.840 lot going on, and so we'll do that tonight. We're 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.560 not gonna talk about business. Then it's like quiet, We're 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.640 both like I have something. Could we just bake the 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:13.000 real really quick? That's what's on your mind? Yeah? Yeah, uh. 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.960 You guys had some fights though, we're not we're not 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:23.240 real fighters. Actually you can hold up years Mary years 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:27.680 dated four or five years or whatever. No fights come on, 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.600 like I don't know, a little disputes. Do you love 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:40.880 her absolutely love? Do you love her mother? Yes, it's 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:47.160 a little, but is he wonderful to your mother? Um? 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.200 Where are we going with this? Just trying to find 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:55.280 some chinks in the armor. Man streets here, Like I 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.880 love my mother too, but like the things that bug 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.720 him about my mother bug me about my mother. You 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.320 guys are friends about that? Yeah, yeah, we kind of 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.480 agree about that. And it's okay. I mean, we got kids. 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:09.560 We love them. But guess what they bugg is sometimes too, 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.480 and we bug each other sometimes. It's just life. Yeah, 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:13.920 how many kids you guys got to to high school? 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:18.280 Junior boy and sophomore girl. They get a lot of trouble. No, 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.560 good kids, good kids. So you guys should have a 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:28.160 like a program, but we don't. We used to. No, 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.320 I mean they're still kids there, teenagers. But yeah, my 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:35.000 question is if they're getting out real serious with somebody, 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.800 starting to get real serious on the dating scene there, 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:44.480 Like your your son, our daughter is in California right 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:49.440 now on spring break visiting friends. And sometimes he gets 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.640 in a shape about this and I say, Adam, what 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.880 were we doing when we were fifteen or sixteen? That's 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.479 not what we're going to discuss either. And then and 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.160 then he's like, oh, yeah, no, that's different, and right 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:05.000 now it's not changed. Changed. I will tell you when 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.440 I went down and checked out the weather Be facility, 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.840 the new weather By facility and shared him a couple 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:15.240 of weeks ago. You know it's grabbing folks run around 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.520 and quizzing him like yeah, you know that at him. 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:23.000 He's real energetic. He's always bouncing around. And you should 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:27.240 see Brenda. Like both of those guys, they just go 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:32.360 hard and uh yeah, so I think I think that 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.760 probably helps out in the friendship category to they move 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:39.000 at the same pace. Yeah, essentially this from non biased 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:43.240 third parties. Mind you just people you cornered. Ye, yeah, 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.320 I was grabbing check from us. When we moved to 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.599 Wyoming last year. We just said, hey, we want to 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.159 learn learn hound right in our backyard and in some 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.240 local general units and all that kind of stuff. And 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:55.480 we just scout it out and the two of us 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.200 just rented mules. Kevin or marketing guy, came along to 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.400 film Slash handle Brenda's mule when she it one to 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.240 and so the two of us we just went in 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.680 a little TP tent, went and into the back country 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:08.640 together and like she's hardcore like that. I mean, we 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.520 just I mean we're in there ten miles whatever, so 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.520 we even do we do hard stuff together. Fun stuff here, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.680 we you know, lead the business together, so we just 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.400 teammates stuff. And there's a couple things I want to 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.240 touch on real quick. But one of their interesting things is, 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:25.880 you guys flew up in your plane from shared and Bleman, 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.480 do you guys, um, did you guys sort out who's 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.080 gonna take care of your kids? Is something bad happened 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.960 to you? Yeah? Yeah, because flying together in a small 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.200 plane or doesn't that even cross your mind? I think 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:43.800 of it as being risky. Life is about risk. I'm 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.000 not saying I wouldn't do it. I would think of 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.600 it as being risky. So he's a risky guy. He 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.440 just a pilot, of course. At he said, no, no, 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.880 he's not a risky pilot. That's different. He's a risky guy. 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.960 And I've learned how to like like be a riskier person. 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:01.680 But I would. I don't regret that, Like that's just 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.800 I feel like I live more of life because of that. 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.200 And the flying thing is a little funky, but I 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:09.479 just kind of go, you know what, if it's my 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.240 time to go, then it's my time to go. And 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.640 you're a fatalist. God is going to take care of 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.400 my children and who they're with and I have family 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.600 kind of see the path right right, they'd be like, 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:30.360 oh bummer, but actually who Yeah, But I like when 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.520 it comes to those type of things, I'm not I'm 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.440 not a daredevil pilot guy at all. Like I don't 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.800 fly low and fast. I fly high and slow. And 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.000 my rule is like get up there and get bored 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.960 as quick as you can. So like I'm also not 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:43.680 like I don't go do that stuff because I do 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.120 have also not only kids, I have business employees and 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:48.960 just a lot like not and I don't want to 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:52.200 die either, but also with reasons not to die. Yeah, 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.160 with reasons not to die. And so I don't do 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.160 Like I'm just not that type of pilot. So if 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:58.720 you go up with me, it's going to be pretty 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.640 boring probably, but you don't you don't try to beat 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:05.160 the weather and stuff. No, if I get out ahead 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.520 of it, but I don't beat through it. No, even 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.600 with weather, like my minimums all that kind of stuff, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:14.120 and try to be trying to be conservative. Is there 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.720 adrenaline involved or is it like driving a vehicle for 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.080 you know, it depends on the day in either weather 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.360 or traffic. So like you fly to l a there's 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:25.320 adrenaline because you're just like cool, there's seven forty seven. 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:26.680 There's a bunch of guys yelling at me on the 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.920 radio like it's crazy or if you are in certain 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:32.839 you know kind of weather. Like I came into landing 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.960 uh luke, and I am VP of sales marketing. We 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.240 were down Blue Shot Show this year, and so we 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.160 came back and we're flying like a hundred and thirty 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:41.920 something not so it's not like a private jet. It's 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:50.840 two oh six, right, so it's it's still like you're old. 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.400 Oh so anyways, we're on the way back, would be 0:08:53.480 --> 0:09:00.760 as we went on flying eleven years. Anyways, we came 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.640 into Landed airport. It was like riding a bucking bowl, 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.360 like just the winds and your palms get sweaty and 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.960 thinks not that like I'm not gonna land it, but like, 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.160 let's hope somebody's not filming this landing type of thing, 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.160 and your palms get sweaty. And so there's still that 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.040 and we all like a little bit of the palm sweaty, 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:23.400 like right on the edge stuff in life, right, don't sure? Man? Yeah, 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.360 but you pick your flavors, So what do you do 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:30.560 that gives you that palm, sweaty, risky feeling, no desire 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.679 to fly a small plane. Yeah, I fly in them, 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.000 but they'll desire to fly one, right because I recurring 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:40.600 nightmares about crashing, crashing one into phone wires, phone wires bad. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:45.920 You know they have cell phones now have nightmare, will 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.720 become obsolete. But you still see wires. It's recurring nightmare 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.360 of mind. Man to be flying a plane. Oh yeah, 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:52.719 and then all of a sudden, all the wires and 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.920 there's no way to get through all the wires because 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.320 didn't you see her wreck when you were a kid? 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:02.040 Yea in wire hitting wires, know, burrowed into the woods 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.640 out by my house. Saw dragged two people out in 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:08.360 little parts when we were little kids. Well, this is great, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.920 we're gonna be flying back this afternoon. Can we switch subjects? 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:13.480 But that was a good question, I adam, do you 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.559 have any like particularly activities we'd like to do that 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.320 you know is gonna at some point give you like 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:24.800 that higher endorphin. I think they're running around in in 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.800 small skiffs in southeast Alaska. That's true. I've been there. 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.160 I've gotten sweaty palms with you and some the high 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.000 weather turns fast and you're in sixteen or eighteen foot 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:39.559 skiff that it's not like it's not like it's not 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.520 like like like big mountain people, you know, like mountaineers 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.080 who watched their whole social network. It whittled away over 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.120 the years and until then you die too. I mean, 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.839 like running around a skiff in southeast Alaska isn't that. 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:56.600 But it's there's little things like that. You know there though, 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.280 when you're in that skiff and it's you got water 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:08.079 tamp and everything. Yeah, uh, Spencer say something again, just Steve, Yeah, 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:11.679 that Spencer new heart. Um. There's two things I want 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.199 to talk about and then we're gonna get back to 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:17.719 the weather b situation. One. Remember were talking about do 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.000 you guys remember talking about a guy saying how he 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:28.440 had ingested a shot pellet, a steel shot pellet. Remember 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:32.680 this continuing he's going into do an m R and 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:36.200 he was so thankful, he was like expressing thanks that 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.840 they did an X ray and found the shot pellet 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.960 before going into an m R. I and we were 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.400 talking about we were speculating about whether if you had 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.280 a shot pellet, steel shop pellet in you non Ferris, 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.800 what do they call it um that the MRA magnets 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.640 would drag it through your body and pull it out. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:58.480 And we were even talking about what if they put 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.880 the magnet at the top of your head and suck 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:05.800 that baby right. Yeah. Well, a guy that a doctor 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.839 that uh feral magnetic metal, a doctor that runs one 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.280 of these wrote in said it's just it's not how 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:18.600 it works at all. Like he was saying that if 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.839 you had a shotgun pellet, if you had to steel 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.520 pellet in your brain, where he said he likens brain 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.480 material from doing autopsies, he likens your brain material to 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.520 being like tofu. And he said there's a possibility that 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:36.719 that shot pellet would shift and potentially damage something around it, 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.640 or if it was in long that it could potentially 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:43.000 shift a little bit soft areas. But he said that, 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.360 and he was after hearing us talk about it, he 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.760 even did an experiment where he took a shot pellet 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:52.400 and put it inside the m R I to feel around, 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.320 and he couldn't even detect the movement of that pellet 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.400 from those magnets. He said, if you had just gotten 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:03.640 shot and the wound channel is still open and it 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.440 was at the surface, you might have enough to pop 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.960 it back out its own channel, but you're not going 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:13.320 to send it up through your skull. And you know interesting, 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.160 because what's the reason that I had one not too 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.960 long ago and they make it, they make you take 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.640 off all your metal. There must be some other like 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.319 when you board a plane and you're not allowed to 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.640 use cell phones. It's like he goes on to say. 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.800 He goes on to say, it's not not uh now 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.760 that sorry, I'm doing a horrible It's a big, long email, 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.839 very expertly written. He said, the mad the metal can 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.959 cause significant artifacts on the images acquired, so that alone 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.079 can be a reason not to do the m R. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:48.079 I if you've got some honks of metal land around. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.440 I've also seen a few cases where a patient forgot 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.000 that they had been shot with a b begun years ago, 0:13:55.240 --> 0:14:00.560 only to have images degraded by artifact. That's cool. I 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.080 like this guy's effort, but I also kind of dislike 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:08.160 it because last time I got a concussion, they're like, 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.800 you should really get an m R A. I was like, great, 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.280 how much like two thousand bucks? I'm like, well, I'm 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.600 not doing that. This guy can just flip one on 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.960 and play around with babies inside one man, I should 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:20.520 go and see if you can, if you can jump 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.440 in there real quick next time he's playing with his babies. 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.480 There could have been long term damage. Yeah, there could 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.840 have been. But what do you do about it now? Yeah? 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.400 It's like you just gotta run with who we are, Uh, 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.040 Spencer's you're just that one. We we wanted to bring 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:38.280 in an expert to handle a listener question. The guy 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.040 rode in, you ready for this? Okay? Guy wrote in, 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:46.320 He's like, what would Bambi and Bambi's dad score? Boone 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.640 and Crockett score? And he only was just curious about it, 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.840 but I wonder about it because of all the trouble 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:56.080 that the guy that shot Bambi's dad has cause for hunters. 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.760 Then they made the movie Bamby and and you know 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.320 on on right, like, what was it worth it? It 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:07.240 was worth yeah, and a unique deer. So you sent 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.280 this question to Mark, Kenny and I and we beat 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:13.760 it back and forth, and we took it way too serious. Probably, um, 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:15.920 I like that he thought he had wicked mass. He 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:17.560 does have wicked mass? Is that what I said in 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.280 the email? Yeah, I'm looking at a picture right now 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:25.880 of Bambi's dad, um and like amazing frame, Like that's 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:30.720 a two year frame, but he's a four by four. 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.960 Like he's got great brows, great G twos, uh split 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.480 G twos, so that helps, but he's got super weak 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:42.320 G three's Um, dad should have been like he could 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.440 have filled out to be a two for sure. Yeah, 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.800 if he'd had like G three, G four, G five, 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.080 that have been a giant for sure. He's still a 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.359 big deer. So Mark and I kicking around some numbers. 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.280 Um with that great mass, that great frame, but the 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.480 four by four thing is hurting him. We're thinking low 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.360 one sixties ish, Mark was thinking closer to one fifty. 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.040 I was thinking like high one sixties. So we'll settle 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:10.520 around like one sixty's not a bad bar. It's a 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:19.000 good deer, and especially for four proud and like some 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.240 people freak about giant four by four a main frame 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.840 four by four, that's a hundred and sixties something inches. 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.960 That's a giant deer for sure. But Bamby he wasn't 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:31.760 like nearly, he didn't live up nearly to his dad's. 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.680 Like baby didn't live up to his dad's. Did we 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.920 ever see Bamby with a rack. He threw a rack 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.400 three year old rack? Did he? He gets to be 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.760 about three, So I had it typed into Google and 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:44.720 Mark and I kicked around those numbers as well. For 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:46.640 Bamby and the images that we saw he had like 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.680 a spike. Basically it was probably like a I don't know, 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:51.520 eight in spike or something. I on the picture in 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.840 front of me. Um really poor with or whatever. But 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.240 just by the product of all the measurements that you 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.480 get with the Boone and Crockett system, like you get 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.640 four man measurements no matter what, no matter how many 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.800 points a deer has. UM, we we figured he'd fall 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:09.840 around like sixty inches or so. Shy dad, Yeah, that's 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:13.040 why he never gets shot. Yeah. Yeah, people probably passed 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.120 him up. Yeah, but nobody would pass up Bambi's dad, 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.159 like even a hardcore like Illinois something Illinois dude. Now, 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.280 I'm gonna keep harping on. That's a giant four by 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.679 four like a deer with that frame. Everyone's killing that 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:34.280 buck good Bambi's dad, But he had more potential that 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.159 that could have been. Like question, I thought it was 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.119 like already like the monarch of the woods. So he 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:43.399 looks like going downhill the next year. I don't know 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.760 if you know he was going downhill with Doug Durn's 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.520 nice box next year he could have maybe like Bambi's 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.240 dad could have. So it's a white tail will peek 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.960 around like six or seven years old, start going downhill 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:56.960 after that. So I guess do we know Bambi's dad's 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:00.000 age now? If they do a remake of that movie, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.960 be sweet to have the hunter pass them up a 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:10.600 couple for a couple of years walking by too young, um, 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.240 and then look at Bamby and be like, maah, that's 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.119 not the one. So to the fellow that wrote it 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:20.320 in there's your answer, that's all nice. Bambi's dad was, Um, Okay, 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.720 back to this, back to our main thing. You're gonna 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.560 stick around with us, right, Spencer with that voice? Why 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.439 wouldn't you? Yeah, it's great. It's I'm gonna have him 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.200 to say his name. Uh, there's something you were telling 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.719 me and I cut you off before we got started. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.120 What the um? And I'm gonna then I'm gonna pivot. 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.080 I'm gonna segue this into something else. We're talking about 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:49.280 how certain fads come up with uh cartridges, right and 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.239 I want and I want to get into why, like 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.199 the proprietary cartridges, the whether he's known for is it 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:55.720 fair to say whether he's known for a lot of 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.480 proprietary cartridges? Actually, how we are started me when my 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:03.600 grandpa started like, don't tell me that yet. I want 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.480 to lay a pre question on you. Okay, what's my 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.719 what's my question? Then now you were you were starting 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:11.320 the question. I want you to get it whenever you 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.240 want to hit it, because you were starting to explain 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.720 we're talking about fats, yeah, yeah, yeah, and you were 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.679 talking about one fad that we're not a fat. You're 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.360 talking about one thing that you keep thinking will fade, 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.240 but it's remains. And then I brought up like the 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:27.280 short Meg, the short Meg craze, or at least I 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:28.879 felt that it was crazy that I bought into it, 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.240 and why that didn't stick. It's true, there's certain ones 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.520 that so like a lot of our cartridge we have 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.440 four team proprietary cartridges, most of which were designed fifty 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.760 to sixty seventy years ago. And it's amazing how long 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.040 some you know, stay in the test of time or 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:45.960 at thirty out six or whatever. I mean, we're talking 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.439 ages decades decades old. Most of the things we're shooting, 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.639 I think there's some that kind of stick around. So 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.280 the short mags like had a couple of issues that 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.360 people had with them. The guy developed him, like as 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.080 far as opening it up and allowing everybody to kind 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.040 of chamber it and handload and dies and all the 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.120 different things that come with it, the short mags had 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:10.000 some difficulties and kind of uh allowing everybody to do that, 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.160 and certain patents on it. So there were some differences there. 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:14.960 There also was some feeding issue because it was so 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.439 kind of short and fat. There are different feeding issues 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:19.240 that a lot of folks end up having on short mags. 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.040 So it, you know, kind of depends on both the 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.879 functionality of it in that sense as well as the 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.359 use of it. So is it you you have? You 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.440 tend to have times where explain what a short mag 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:34.479 is real quick. It's short mags, So it's gonna be fatter, 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:38.640 right thing, it's gonna be bigger, uh and and fat 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:40.520 of it rather than kind of long and thinner. It's 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.320 short and stubby er, right, So you're still using a 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.120 magnum bolt face if you would, in order to fit 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:49.840 on the case head um, but it's shorter, So guys 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.000 can have kind of lighter weight guns and have a 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.360 shorter action, So it's kind of a short mag therefore, 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.720 because it's it that's the heavy often the heaviest part 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:02.560 of the gun. Feel like our right, so our action, 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:04.960 like our Mark five. We have our our six lug 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:06.880 and or nine leg. I mean it's a pound difference 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.000 between those two guns. So really a lot of it 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:11.760 is weight. So I want something I can go in 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:13.359 the back country with their hunt with the three in 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.520 a windmag or like, hey, I want something little bit shorter. 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:17.639 I can save myself maybe a pound. Why do I 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:19.600 need all that bolt throw? Right? I can get a 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:21.520 shorter bolt and kind of pack that thing in there. 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.000 And that was that was what made those interesting, right, 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.240 wasn't it? Also there was something with the rate of 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:32.000 powder burn making for more consistency in the accuracy in 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:35.560 the shaping the cave accuracy you know that plays and 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:37.520 I mean it's it's gonna be the accuracy, It's going 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:39.959 to be the design of it, yeah, the quote efficiency 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.000 of it. There's so many things that go into a 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.280 cartridge being successful. Like right before we were describing the 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:46.760 six five creed More that in the past five years 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.960 is just absolutely blown up. As far as it's popularity, 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:55.240 it's inherently accurate. Um you know, it's not super fast, 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:57.960 but people are using it and hunting using it in competition. 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.639 It's very versatile and so they're a lot of people. 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:03.440 And then it depends on how readily available the AMMO 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:06.680 is gonna be, the affordability the AMMO. So there's so 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:10.040 many different factors I think that come into it really 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:12.920 taking off. And then really what gun companies are gonna 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.360 chamber for it, I think kind of comes into play 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:17.359 as well. How popular it is. So I mean I 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.000 think in the last decades certainly mean the six five 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:23.919 creed More, there's nothing like even second place to it. 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:27.200 I mean, it's just popularity, correct, Yeah, I mean in 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:30.400 in gun sales, it's just absolutely nuts what it's done 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:33.840 across the board. Um, you know, because in a lot 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.159 of it is because that's six and a half millimeter bullet. 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:39.159 The ballistic coefficient, I don't know how technical we get. 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.920 We get technical. So the BC if you would, um, 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:45.640 you know that the technology for bullets just real quick, 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:52.200 just for focus. Yeah, so bullets are gonna fly through 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:55.720 the air um and have a different ballistic coefficient, and 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:58.760 typically the higher the ballistic coefficient, which is measurement taken 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:02.879 other bullet to really talk about, it's aerodynamics, okay, and 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.560 so certain things, certain bullets are going to be even 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:09.679 if it's the same weight uh in same caliber, size 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.719 of bullet, it can be a different shape and therefore 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:19.520 be more aerodynamic. Right, and so in certain is not aerodynamic. 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:24.200 That's why bullets are not square now. They used to 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:27.680 be round, round, square. We've done well and worse with 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:34.159 round bullets, right, I mean, but but yeah, all of them. Yeah, 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:38.960 So what's popular now are higher BC bullets, meaning that 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.080 a lot you have a lot of longer bullets that 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:44.359 are seated out farther closer to kind of where the 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:47.119 rifling is there in the chamber. So folks are seating 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:51.680 it out further and that high BC in the bullet, 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:54.119 that is it coefficient. No, I want to explain that 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:57.119 part about seated out farther, so people can picture like 0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:00.040 an empty case, like a shell case, and then a 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:02.800 shell case crimps onto the bullet. I think some people, 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:04.919 like my kids, have the idea. I feel that they 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:08.440 think that the whole damn thing bullet casing that it 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.520 all comes out, and I was explaining to them that 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:13.320 took one apart and showing like what actually happens. So 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:17.200 like the bullets in the casing, you're saying that, uh, 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:20.920 the bullet protrudes further from the casing and actually touches 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:27.640 before it gets close to us. Jump from when when 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:30.600 you pull the trigger, the firing pin goes forward, it 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:32.639 hits the back of the case where the primer is. 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:36.800 The primary nights right, So you pull the trigger, the 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.360 firing pin goes forward, it hits the primer, the primary 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.720 ignites the powder that's within the case, and it launches 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:46.680 the projectile out forward. If everything works well, right, and 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:50.200 so all of that that happens, I mean, we're talking 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:55.200 it's sixty thousand p s I that's taking place in 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.040 there in order for this to happen in a you know, 0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.840 split second that that's taking place. But a lot of 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:04.119 your accuracy happens within that you know, fraction of a 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:07.080 fraction of a second. There is that bullet launches forward, 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:10.359 and there's different you know powders that burn at different rates, 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:12.920 and so all of those things, and then you get 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.160 into barrels and rates of twists and lands and grooves 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:16.919 and it gets pretty you know, there's a lot of 0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:19.000 technical things because if you think about it, these guys 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:21.119 are shooting what you know, a a thousand yards. Stuff is 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.919 just super popular. But in order to do that, like 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:28.119 all of those things, from the cartridge itself, the chamber, 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:31.240 the barrel, the way everything is lined up, even the 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:33.399 way that the barrel was trued up next to the action, 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.240 all of those things. If you're off half an inch 0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:39.720 at a hundred yards and times up by ten, right, 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:41.760 So I mean, if you shoot a two inch group 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:44.800 at a hundred yards, you know, it just multiplies it 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.560 further you get out there. And so what's the popularity 0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:50.080 is off a lot of this long range shooting and 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.679 so rifles, ammunition, all of that has to be so 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:57.120 precise right now, I think in order to kind of 0:25:57.960 --> 0:25:59.760 kind of, I don't know, follow up with this trend 0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:01.439 that's opening for long range, I just totally got off 0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:05.600 on a tangent. This is what we do. Uh No, 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:08.080 I think you're like you were, you were tearing it up. 0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:11.520 I think you're tearing it upright right right, Okay, I 0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:13.159 just want to touch on this little pet subject to 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:16.760 mind though, real quick. Um our short mags now like 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.119 totally out of fashion. They're in and they've kind of 0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.639 had a little bit of a resurgence, so people you 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:23.600 can still shoot them and be cool if that's what 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:26.080 you're looking one, and I don't want people to look down. 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:29.560 I meant to absolutely no, absolutely not. I can't. I 0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:33.359 kind of I've I've sort of kept it. I collected now, 0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:38.280 right the one I have. Okay, so you're saying we're 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:41.480 talking about proprietary cartridges, walk me back to the to 0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:45.199 the infancy of weather b because you're saying that's how 0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:48.400 you guys got started. Yeah, it wasn't even guns. So 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:51.320 Grandpa Roy Weatherby, So this is like your legit grandpa, 0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:54.879 your father's father. My father's father, Roy Edward weather Be 0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:58.280 That my dad was Roy Weatherby Jr. I didn't get 0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:00.160 the Roy, but I do have middle name Edward. I'm 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.560 still in there, right, So I'm oldest of third generation. 0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:09.480 So grandpa born in rural Kansas, seven older sisters, share cropper, 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:11.720 like doesn't own the shirt on his back type of guy. 0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:15.160 They kept going they wanted a boy so bad. Yeah 0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:19.240 they got Roy, they got Roy eighth. Try right, and 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:22.040 he actually had an older brother that died at a 0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.720 very young age, so he grew up as the only boy, 0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:28.600 but actually had a large household, yes, with pretty much 0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:33.760 no house share, cropping cotton, a little bit of everything. Um. 0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:36.879 It's out of Salina, Kansas, which I white tail hunted 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:39.480 with my dad. We went two years ago on the 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:42.439 same creek where he started trapping and shooting crows for 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:45.120 neighbors and got his love for the outdoors. Hundred years 0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:48.320 ago we went and hunted the same creek, probably downstream 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.680 five to ten miles and uh, shot my first Kansas 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:55.679 white tailor. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, Grandpa 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:58.800 grew up out there, wanted a better life, moved west, 0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:03.240 went to California, brought my grandma Camilla. Okay, our women's 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:06.639 rifle line is named after mc Grahmma Camilla, and they moved. 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:08.680 He told me that I think I forgot it already. 0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:10.840 It's a good story, you shouldn't remember it. So we 0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:17.200 so they moved out. He didn't hardly own anything, started 0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:22.080 selling insurance and it was still like into the outdoors. 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.080 Kind of growing up in Kansas on the farm stuff 0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:25.520 like that, And got invite to go hunt and started 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:27.400 getting hunting a little bit with people because back then, 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.000 you it just was a pretty simple way of life, right, 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:31.720 And he went I think it was he went out 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.960 of state to Utah, went on a hunt, injured a deer, 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:42.120 and that's what drove him to his high velocity theories 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.600 and philosophies that he had that back then it was 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:48.040 just big bullets were the thing. And he was like, no, 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:51.080 I think velocity is actually the thing, and that that's 0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:54.040 going to produce energy. What back then they called that 0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.880 hydrostatic shock and all those things. Is that velocity? Mean, 0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:59.600 it's just physics, right? Why why back then is that something? 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:03.120 People will say that now they do, But but back then, 0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:05.480 so we raised seventy four years from now and all 0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:08.760 the cartridge development or just modern science and all those 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:12.280 different things that were there, I mean there was no 0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:17.160 real magnums like around, so there was not I mean 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:23.880 these magnums pushing bullets fast. It was heavier bullets moving slower, 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.120 and that it's like, got to have the big bullets. 0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:28.680 So his thing, catch a glimpse of some of those things? 0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:32.560 What's that? Uh? How you could catch a glimpse of them? 0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:34.920 We're shooting one of those old sharps, buffalo rifles. You 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:38.120 mean actually see the bullet, Yeah, in a bright stony day, 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:41.600 we're shooting, and you catch like you'd see it a 0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:48.120 head now arcing out, Yeah, arking. So he started taking 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:53.800 existing cartridges and okay that we're already there. And it's 0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:57.040 called fire forming. So if you get a chamber in 0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:00.800 a rifle, okay, in a barrel, and it's say slightly larger, 0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:03.320 a different shape, you can not do not try this 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:06.160 at home, disclaimer, but you can if you know what 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.440 you're doing. Then you can fire form a case and 0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:10.800 it blows that case out, and then you make that 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.120 case into a different cartridge. Is called fire forming. So 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:16.400 my grandpa was known as a it's called a wildcatter, 0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:19.520 and a wildcatter is one who plays with things dangerously, 0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:22.200 like my grandpa did in his garage. So he took 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.280 like the three h and h a cartridge that was 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.040 around back and then said, let's blow this thing out 0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:28.120 and make it bigger. One of the things that he 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:30.760 did was he took the wall the shoulder of the cartridge. 0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:33.440 As you move up towards the bullet, there's the shoulder, 0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.720 and he rounded it it's called the weatherbe Ventury shoulders. 0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:39.240 So our fourteen proprietary cartridges, if you look at him, 0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:44.160 have those rounded shoulders pretty much sharp. There's no sharp angle. 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:46.160 And part of that was the way that the powder 0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:48.400 kind of runs in there and flows out, and it 0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:50.840 also really kind of blows it out and makes a 0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:52.360 little bit larger, and you use a little bit more 0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:57.040 capacity and fit more powder in there cartridge feeding exactly. 0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:59.200 It's it's smoother ramp on the way in. So he 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:03.000 started writing letters to editors and magazines and just things 0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:06.120 like this. He's just so passionate about his philosophy of 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.320 bullets moving faster and we can shoot things further and 0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:09.600 the energy is gonna be out the further and it's 0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:11.880 gotta go fast, fast, fast. He wrote a letter to 0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:16.120 the editor sports a Field in the early forties and 0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:19.280 they put in their magazine just like the guys were 0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.560 emailing about Bamby, right, and then here we are talking 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.320 about So they did that. So Roy Weatherby's things started, 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:29.800 and from there officially started where he was rechambering people's 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:33.400 rifles for his cartridges, and it all went from there. 0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:37.080 So from n to nine for the first thirteen years. 0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:41.000 It was really about custom rifle builds on like German, 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.400 these mauser actions and these other things that he was 0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:46.520 using those and he just had his cartridges. And that's 0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:49.400 what put us on the map first was what we 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:52.360 call a whether be ballistic superiority. In other words, our 0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:58.560 stuff moves fast. I'm a little bit confused fire forming like. Okay, 0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:06.800 so grand Grandpa has he makes a chance. I understand 0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.680 what's he's starting with and what's he winding up with. Sure, 0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:13.200 as far as gun wins he has, he hasn't existing. 0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.480 He hasn't tell me a cartridge back then that he 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:20.000 could have started with two. So if there's one that's 0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.360 really similar to another one, that's the thing. If you 0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:24.160 look up look at a book of cartridge, just look 0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:28.320 how many there are? Right? Or Sammy, who's the governing agency? 0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.000 S A A M. I. I'm getting real technical here, right, 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:34.080 But that's the governing agency O over Like all these 0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:36.320 things about cartridges and names and you know, all the 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.800 things and the pressures and everything, that's our governing agency. 0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:40.480 We gotta play by their rules in order for everything 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.080 be safe. You look in the book, like all there 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:46.800 are so many cartridges that are out there, and what's 0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:49.040 happened is a lot of them are made, and then 0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:51.520 there's a parent case, and then there's stuff real similar. 0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:53.880 And that's the funny thing about these kind of these 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:57.479 wildcatters and these handloaders and these kind of ballistic guys, 0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:01.040 is like the geek out and like maybe it's somebody 0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:04.000 that's not into it. It's like the smallest change, but 0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:06.800 it's like, oh my gosh, it's revolutionary. They freak out 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:10.160 about it. Right, So he took you can take a 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:14.680 case and if you make have a barrel made, okay, 0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:17.160 And so you can have a barrel made, uh with 0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.080 Reamer's right. And actually it's just a machine shop. Right, 0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:23.440 So my grandpa could say, I want the chamber in 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:25.480 the barrel to look like this. I'm gonna call it 0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:27.840 the three hundred weather be Magnum and I'm gonna make 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.360 a chamber. Well wait a minute, Roy, there's no mm 0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:34.840 O for that. Well I'm gonna take this, I know, Yeah, 0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:38.160 I'm gonna take this. Three was really similar. It's got 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:41.200 a straight angled walls, shoulders right where it comes up 0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:44.160 towards the bullet, straight angle there, it's not rounded. But 0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:46.240 then what I can do and it's maybe mine's a 0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:48.480 little bit longer, but I think all the dimensions line 0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:50.360 up that I'm gonna put this amo in there, and 0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:53.880 when you pull the trigger, it's gonna that powder is 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:56.960 gonna stretch that brass. Brass has you know, a stretchiness 0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:58.160 to it if you would, right, I think that's the 0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:01.920 technical that it almost HiT's like a liquefied state every 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:06.120 time you pull the trigger and then solidifies again. I 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.200 don't know, I don't know. I mean, but to the 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:13.319 point that it literally wherever it's in, right, So that's 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:15.680 what it does, is it goes, here's my chamber. You've 0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:20.319 got sixty p s. I that's a lot, right, I mean, 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.200 I don't know. I think it sounds like about your 0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:26.120 your tire on your truck, what is it fifty? Right? 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:28.560 Or think about I don't know, even like a scuba 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:33.359 tanks what like three thousand right, so more than scoopa tank, 0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:35.920 more on a tire by long shot geologic pressure. So 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.839 it's like so that brass will stretch then when you 0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.960 eject it often if do not try this at home. 0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:45.040 But when Roy was ejected, he pulled that bolt up. 0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:47.080 It's like whoa Okay, bolt's little steaky. I pulled it up, 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:50.319 I ejected out. I just made my own shape. I 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:52.360 just made my own brass out of somebody else's by 0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.600 having somebody make a barrel. So what was what was 0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.560 his initial customer base, Like a lot of deer hunters 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.920 or sports shoot or what. Yeah, you know, we've always 0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:07.160 predominantly been really hunting focused. It's uh, you know, we 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:09.759 say like our vision statements, we exist to inspire the 0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:12.279 dreams of hunters and shooters are fluffy phrase. We say 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:13.920 right because we believe our products are out there and 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:16.400 it's more than just the products we make. Its memories 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:18.920 is taking your kids out, It's being with granddad, it's us. 0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:21.600 You know, we're out last week shooting peasants. Memories, it's more, 0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:24.400 it's more than just a tool. And so for hunting, 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.400 I think that happens Brenda and I. We've shared hunts 0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:30.000 with my my, my kids, my dad. We make a 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:33.040 product that just happens to like be a part of 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:37.040 that and get passed down through generations like Grandpa weather 0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.480 Bees first thirteen years his customer base. What kind of 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:42.640 people were reaching out to him? I don't know, dude, 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:46.600 I wasn't around gun a lot of gun nuts and 0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:48.960 then a lot of guys that what then when he 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:52.960 started doing is right when like commercial airlines just took 0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:54.719 off and like it was a t w A or 0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:57.200 what are those ones? Brenda did or senior project on 0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:00.640 my grandpa. She was a history major. Did you meet 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:02.359 did you meet him? Or was he already you? Guys 0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:05.440 didn't passot. But I did get to hang out with 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:10.880 Camilla a bit. She actually superstory. Yeah, she we had 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.399 a close relationship with Graham had Alzheimer's and was tough. 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:15.000 So she lived with this last few years and Brenda 0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:18.160 and her twin sister took care of Yeah. Yeah, she's 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:21.759 a special lady. Was that pretty rough? Yeah? Well, I 0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:24.960 didn't really know her before Alzheimer's. Actually met her when 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:27.400 I was fifteen. I went to her house and she 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:31.080 dragged me around showing me things. But for some reason, 0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.160 she always just took a liking to meet, even though 0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:36.880 she didn't really know who I was. And then you know, 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:39.120 I later on in life got to take care of herself. 0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:41.480 She just rediscovered that she liked you every time she 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.839 met you. Yes, I mean she just would snuggle up 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:46.839 to me, and people go like she what if she 0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:49.920 doesn't do that to anyone? So she was special. She 0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:54.480 was very special. So what my grandpa did He then 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:59.080 started going to Africa and on planes game of which 0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:02.840 then was and still is in many parts. There's a 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:05.920 lot of it. There, a lot of game, and so 0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:09.960 he wanted to see what what this actually did and 0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:13.000 the higher velocity and the differences and bullets and all 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.840 those different things. Is is how his whole thing was, 0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:18.759 I want to provide a quicker, more humane kill on 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:22.359 these animals. And that was what drove him, was more 0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:26.200 one shot kills and and at greater distances, especially back 0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:28.319 then it was just so close up with those heavy 0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:31.960 moving bullets. So he did several trips to Africa. We 0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:36.360 have old reel to reel like and on the dictaphone 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:40.080 things and all these recordings, tons of podcast I mean, 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:43.040 he did it. I mean it was pretty crazy in 0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:46.520 the fifties basically, however you do that, Yeah, And then 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:50.320 he would come home and share them with anyone and everyone. 0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:56.000 He would actually go and yeah, visit these groups and 0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.600 show them old reels and people would go, oh my gosh, 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.200 I've never seen Africa before. So it was like they 0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:03.960 were living in sound. You know, yeah, we have them 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:07.880 on DVD. You know a little you hear the thing 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.000 going and there's roy and he kills something goes up 0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:13.480 to it, and you know, just it's pretty cool. So 0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:17.320 that really kind of vlidified. Coming back to the question, 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.319 there was the shooting, but he's a passionate hunter and 0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:24.040 really the drive for the velocity was out based off 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:27.080 of hunting and based off of ethical hunting, and that's 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:29.200 what drove him and I think that's why we got 0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:33.399 such a folloween from the hunting community. So was he 0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:37.320 what's it called when you, uh, you can pattent around 0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:41.799 I gather, Yeah, ours aren't. I mean, it's a What 0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:44.120 happens is if you come up with that particular shape 0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:46.520 of that cartridge, of which then the barrel chamber is 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:49.320 going to be, then you name it something. What's funny 0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:53.480 is the naming of cartridges historically confuses more new hunters 0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:57.200 than anything else. It's like, in trying to explain it, 0:38:57.640 --> 0:38:59.759 there's certain people like I tried to explain it to 0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:04.160 like nine times, and I consider myself a decent communicator, 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:06.520 and like I fail at it because of the way 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:09.440 it's been and when what happens is they're like, Okay, 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:12.480 it's a thirty cow bullet, and you're like, we was 0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:14.400 a three O eight thirty six or three in your 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:16.200 windmag at three in your weather Be. Like you start 0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:18.319 to go down the list of thirty thirty you try 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:19.799 to go, now, that's all the same bullet. But then 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:21.520 you showing the cartridges and they all look different, and 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:23.680 they just like the brain blows up. People that are 0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:26.359 new to the shooting or hunting community, you know what 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:29.759 I'm saying. And and so what happens is really is 0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:31.600 when you come up with a cartridge. So we have 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.759 a three in a weather Be magnum, right, you name 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.240 that cartridge. And when you name it and you stamp 0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:40.840 it on, there's three w B y mag. That's saying 0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:44.360 that cartridge which happens to be this size, in this 0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:46.279 shape and holds this much powder and will fit in 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:48.400 this gun needs too on the side of the rifle 0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:50.120 and on side of that barrel. It needs to say 0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:53.080 three weather Be mag and it's shooting a thirty cow bullet. 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:58.520 So you could go develop a Ranella something something, and 0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:02.080 just go develop something and then Sammy, that organization I 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:04.080 was talking about kind of solidifies if you get it. 0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:05.799 Sammy serve either like, this is it. But there's a 0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:08.800 lot of these still kind of wildcatting things, and guys 0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:10.560 make barrels for them and all those things. You just 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:12.640 need to make sure whatever it says on that case 0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:14.759 head is whatever it says on that barrel, and those 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:16.560 two things have to match because it's the shape. You 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:19.799 need the shape of that cartridge to go inside of there. 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:22.279 But then you get into bullets, and you're like, that's 0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:24.239 when I try to explain, you know to people that 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:28.280 are new. Okay, well, then you have different sized bullets, 0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:30.680 which is really just the diameter of the bullet, not 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.120 the case. Going back to what your kids believe, right, 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:36.480 So take that bullet diameter. So a thirty caliber bullet 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:38.799 is a diameter of point three zero eight inches, But 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.400 you can stuff that in a hundred different pieces of 0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:45.759 brass cases, right, And that's what people sometimes get hung 0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:47.880 up on. But it's so that's why you can have 0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:50.960 a three weather be a three oh eight Winchester, a 0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:54.080 thirty three seventy eight Weather be a thirty odd six. 0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:56.480 It's all the identical bullet that you're putting in different 0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:58.600 size cases and just people that grew up with it. 0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:00.840 It's easy. To other people, they're like, that's really confusing. 0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:04.960 But when you look at like a thirty six okay, 0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:11.440 so it's a thirty caliber bullet and made six, there's 0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:13.520 like a weird version of it. I don't think is 0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:15.000 there any of the cartrids used as a name like 0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:16.719 that with the year they made it. I don't know 0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:19.959 another one that has the year. I'm trying to think 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:26.879 off hand is the grains of powder after thet think 0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:29.759 there's no consistency to the naming of cases. So my 0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:32.400 grandpa took but any but any time Dick and Harry 0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:35.879 or Tom Dick or Harry could go and make and 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:42.359 sell thirty six bullets no bullets, you mean, but they 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:46.719 can't make they can't make it sell they can. I 0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:48.600 mean the Federal has a three in a weather b 0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:51.960 that they sell. So when they say it, I always 0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:55.160 you hear the term proprietary. It just because it carries 0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.960 the name correct, because we designed it, so we designed 0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:03.680 carvent other manufacturers from producing that AMMO. No, And in 0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:07.280 fact that's okay though, because it just puts our name around. 0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:09.359 They might buy our AMMO and put it in there, 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:12.319 so if other people make them, were like, that's cool. 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:15.239 I wasn't away that. I thought there's some things that 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:17.319 you could protect and then only that you had to 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:21.120 give the permission to make it. Yeah, that's where Actually 0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:22.879 those short mags had some things on that. So there 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:25.680 are a few, but for the most part it's pretty 0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:28.920 wide open. I mean it's just a yeah chamber to mension. 0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:31.920 You put that cartridge in there, and it's kind of 0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:35.880 way it works. Quick side note, Uh, when you know 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:39.359 chemical compounds, you don't patent the compound. You patent the use. 0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:42.799 Meaning I could have like, let's say I had some 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:46.759 chemical compound that I realized controlled some plant species like 0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:49.520 a weed, and you take the same chemical comp and 0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:52.920 I'm like, and I'm a herbicide company, and I patent that. 0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:55.799 But you take that compound and you realize that it, 0:42:56.239 --> 0:43:00.239 I don't know, polishes glass. You would then and go 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:04.880 and patent it for polishing glass. Even if it's the 0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:09.680 same chemical compound. You get the use. People find new 0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:11.600 uses for stuff all time, and they grab up and 0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:14.880 patent the use of that compound because you can't patent 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:18.359 the compound. I did not know that, did anybody else? 0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:20.120 Who know that I might be doing a little bit 0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:21.920 of a bad job explaining it, but it's not. I'm 0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:25.839 not doing a horrible job of explaining. So the so 0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:29.200 the that's how he gets started, and he comes up 0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:30.840 with a bunch of these, rattle a few off that 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:35.040 folks would know. The three weather be right, seven weather 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:38.040 be my grandpa's favorite has normally been the number two selling. 0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:40.960 That's your number two seller. Yeah, we came up the six, 0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:44.560 so we neck down the three weather be to take 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:46.600 a six five bullet, a smaller bullet, move it faster. 0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:48.879 Just back to kind of Grandpa's roots. There's a couple 0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:52.200 of guys that work here that that's in their minds. 0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:56.520 That is the cats me out the one that is 0:43:56.560 --> 0:44:02.480 the true one rifle. It's it's fast and it pushes 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:04.960 energy out there really far, and that's what we're kind 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:10.040 of known for that kind of time, considered a wildcat. 0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:17.080 What actually was hm there is actually uh uh my 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:20.399 grandpa actually made He called it to sixty four weather 0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:23.200 be magnum because to sixty four is the inches for 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:26.200 the six five right, which I was gonna ask, why 0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:28.319 how come you guys went six five instead of two 0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:31.640 sixty or two sixty four, right, because especially with the 0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:33.040 six five Creed Moore right now, and a lot of 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:35.719 people are just understanding that, I think the newer terminology. 0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:37.960 A lot of people are calling them six fives. There's 0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:40.560 an old two sixty four wind maag nause are called. 0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:43.880 There's the twenty six Nausler. They're all six five bullets, 0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:49.160 there's a there's a man as, there are thirty counts. 0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:51.600 There's still more thirties, but there's a lot of six 0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:56.879 fives that are out there. So we correct point point 0:44:56.880 --> 0:45:00.239 to six four six and like a seven million eaters 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:03.239 of two eighty four. So and that's the thing is 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:05.120 why you're gonna call it inches or millimeters whatever I 0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:06.960 want to call the metric equivalent to a three o 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:09.280 eight or is there no exact is there no exact 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:11.800 cartridge that carries a metric name. Well no, yeah, I 0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:14.760 mean the military guys, you know a lot of times, 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:17.640 you know, use more than metric um a lot of 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.680 times is the way. You know, traditionally it's been um, 0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:24.400 but with I mean usually the seven millimeter was always 0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:26.960 most of them are called seven millimeter. Then once in 0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:29.560 a while there's like two eighty Remington or whatever, different 0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:31.439 things that are more off the inches. But it's just funny. 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:33.200 It's like why, Yeah, I don't know is that word? 0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:38.839 Is it actually or act? So what he would do 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:41.400 is he would take he's a feller kind of like 0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:46.640 your grandpa exactly. Wildcatter yea, there's wildcatters in the oil 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:50.520 industry too, is there? Like guys are Goalton right, wildcatter 0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:55.680 speculators trying to strike a little yep, prove out little 0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:59.200 chunker ground seven six to is the answer to your 0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:02.040 question seven six to seventh. Like when you hear that, 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:04.840 you know what you do? Remember, like, guys, remember body's 0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:06.560 growing up because you want to buy really cheap three 0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:07.919 oh eight Emmily, you're going to store and it says 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:12.759 seven six two that's just military version of the three eight. 0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:17.560 So you guys have a two forty Weatherby as well, right, correct, 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:22.120 And that thing's a screaming Winchester but faster. And the 0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:25.319 two forty three is also a six millimeter, so there's 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:28.400 a new six millient creed more. But the two forty 0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:32.680 WEATHERB is the fastest two three production round, so it 0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:35.000 shoots a two forty three bullet faster than anybody else does. 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:36.840 In a production round, the two fifty seven weather Be 0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:40.319 shoots what they got, five caliber bullet faster or six 0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:45.200 d the fastest um or thirty three seventy eight Weatherby 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:48.120 is actually the fastest thirty cow. So it's a huge 0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:51.080 case neck down to a thirty caliber bullets faster than 0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:52.320 the three inner weather Be that came out in the 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:54.960 late nineties and went like berserk for a long time. 0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:57.360 It was kind of like the six is now it 0:46:57.520 --> 0:46:59.680 was to us in the nineties. So it's just taking 0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:01.520 these races. I'm playing with them and trying to just 0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:03.759 get stuff moving faster and a lot of it's a 0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:06.279 lot of low development because speed can come at the 0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:10.799 price of accuracy, and so it's really making both of 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.000 those things work together. Is a lot of the name 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:16.319 of the game of what we do tell people what 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:20.560 is slow and what is fast. Like let's say you 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:23.280 take a six five creed More, which is an efficient, 0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:27.320 accurate cartridge, really popular weather Be. Let's say with the 0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:31.080 hundred and forty grain bullet MEASUA bullets, which is a 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:35.279 goofy unit of measurement correct. Like I said, everything in 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:36.680 that if you didn't grow up in it. It's like, 0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:38.879 what is this like a grain? What are you talking about? 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:40.680 I can't remember. Do you remember the definition of a grain? 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:42.839 And so I knew that once upon a time put 0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:46.359 on the scale. Look what I will, I mean really 0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:51.600 originally did start from grains, I know. But it's so 0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:53.560 a six five creed more I'll shoot like a hundred 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.200 forty grain bullet this on top of my head. So 0:47:56.520 --> 0:48:01.640 people google it, they can probably correct meredybet a second, 0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:05.920 where with that same one we're probably a second, same bullet. 0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.960 So difference between you know, about six hundred ft per 0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:12.640 second faster now at a hundred yards, Yeah, that matters 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:16.480 five hundred yards. That's everything. So what it does is 0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:20.279 it because your foot pounds of energy that's measured of 0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:24.120 when that bullet impacts. Obviously if it starts faster, and 0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:25.840 if you have a high BC bullet going back to 0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:28.760 we're talking about in zerodynamic, and it carries that velocity further. 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.920 It's carrying that energy out there further and then therefore 0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:34.440 providing for a quicker, more humane, ethical kill. Yeah, and 0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:35.960 there's a thing we've talked about it. I can't remember 0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:38.840 why we're talking about not long ago, but you know, 0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:42.880 bullet needs to do something when it hits meaning it 0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:46.239 needs to expand and form a mushroom shape or else 0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:50.239 it's not it's it's lethality. Is that a word lethality 0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:56.680 drops off greatly, So carrying that speed, let's that thing 0:48:56.760 --> 0:48:59.320 do what it needs to do at the greater ranges 0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:03.880 that are getting so slow that it just pencils in 0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:09.400 there too fast, too fast, it can go too fast, 0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:11.960 or it can just pencil hole through it too so. 0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:15.000 And there's different constructions of bullets as well. We're not 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.480 a bullet manufacturer, so we have our rounds and we 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:20.160 use other you know, good bullets like say Horney bullet 0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:23.799 or a Nauser bullet or whatever. We're not bullet manufacturers. 0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:26.360 But the construction of bullets, I mean there's all copper 0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:30.560 lead free bullets. Uh, there's you know, obviously there's lead 0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:32.319 and most of them. But then the way that it's 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:36.959 actually constructed depends upon how it's weight retention. In other words, 0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:38.719 like if you find it sometimes in the back height 0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:41.000 of an animal or whatever, when you recover it, how 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.279 much weight is retained rather than its dragmenting and kind 0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:46.880 of blowing up um or sometimes it can just pencil 0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:49.200 hole through. So so really there's a lot that goes 0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:52.759 into the physics behind bullet making. Why it's so important, 0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:58.880 especially important to try to ethically, you know, kill an 0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:03.960 animal and you know, um and not destroy meat. So 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:06.680 I've had animals before. If you have the wrong combination 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:08.920 of all that, that can ruin a lot of meat. 0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:12.560 So I mean you probably have two shoulders of stuff 0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:15.280 and right, it goes in there and if it hits bone, 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:17.880 and that's part of the problem is certain bullets. If 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:21.200 it hits bone, that's when it's gonna fragment. And then 0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:23.280 if you found bullet and then you find not only bone, 0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:26.440 but you find you know, fragments of bullet too. It 0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:29.120 looks like a hand grenade one off, but it's perfect. 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:32.520 If you find a perfect mushroom bullet on the back, 0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:35.040 you know that back cape, and you just take it 0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:37.080 out and it's a hard shot, like there's nothing like that. 0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:38.600 You just pull it out and you're like, that's what 0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:42.239 this was made to do. So how did uh? So 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:46.160 what's the next transition? So he starts making these wildcat 0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:50.360 rounds and mains makes the mains takes them from wildcat 0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:53.480 to mainstream and then he said, I'm gonna make I 0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:55.480 gotta make my own gun, like I want to make 0:50:55.520 --> 0:51:01.600 the world strongest, most reliable action that there is. Launched 0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:05.399 the Mark five, still our flagship product today, and that 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:09.319 was he took what standard had, uh like in the 0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:12.560 bolt and he just redefined it, like from the ground up. 0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:15.320 He took what everything else at the time had a 0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:18.279 bolt lift of ninety degrees. I mean, you would lift 0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:21.000 that bolt up ninety degrees before the locking lugs up 0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:22.600 in the chamber came off so you could pull the 0:51:22.600 --> 0:51:26.680 bolt back. And our Mark five has nine locking lugs, 0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:30.359 three groups of three up front that lock actually that 0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:33.520 bolt into place. And that was just like nobody's ever 0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:35.520 done anything like that, and therefore the bolt lift is 0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:39.759 fifty four degrees. His largest cartridge at the time was 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:42.799 a four sixty weather be mag Okay, which obviously used 0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:47.320 an Africa on anything right, and uh it was mazed 0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:49.520 made to like, dude, I'm gonna take so that's up 0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:53.040 to a five grain bullet. So we're gonna put big 0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:56.960 barrels and all. I just want to overbuilt, super strong, reliable, 0:51:57.000 --> 0:52:00.360 this short bolt throw, which could make rechambering rounds quicker. 0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:03.440 Type of thing and that was developed in and that 0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:06.799 was really his next step. And then being in California 0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:15.080 he leveraged the he chambered in was in the six no, 0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:23.080 he had probably six eight cartridges came out. Yeah, So 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:27.760 then he leveraged being in California, which most recent times 0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:29.880 more of a challenge for us. But the forties and 0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:33.200 fifties and sixties, like got to know John Wayne and 0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:35.479 Roy Rogers and Gary Cooper and all these guys would 0:52:35.480 --> 0:52:39.400 come in a shop and what's now the ghetto and 0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:42.319 started to use them to really leverage things his trip 0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:45.120 to Africa, and then he made these real high end, 0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:48.120 would exquisite stocks like that a lot of people still 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:51.839 see today as Weatherby as being is just real high 0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:55.880 end walnut and maple and rosewood and these inlays, and 0:52:56.200 --> 0:53:00.600 started to higher custom really craftsman for both the wood 0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:04.400 and the metalwork, and then just started making like really nice, 0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:09.400 beautiful rifles. And so then like really then his first 0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:13.799 fifteen years, by probably the early fifties, he had his 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:16.919 cartridges developed. He developed his own rifle, had his own 0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:19.440 unique look, the shape of the stock, the Monty Carlo, 0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:21.080 which is that cheek piece that comes up on the 0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:26.480 stock was unique. He had these maple inlaid diamond shaped 0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:28.759 things on the pistol grip was in everyone. If you 0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:30.319 walked into a store in the early days, if it 0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:32.040 didn't have that diamond, it wasn't a weather be yea. 0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:33.600 You know I used to have when I was a kid, 0:53:33.760 --> 0:53:39.919 I had a pump up be begun Uh daisy uh 0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:45.399 like ten pump and I had that diamond. They put 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:49.600 a plastic with the black border in the white pearl. Yeah, 0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:56.480 that was the thing there. It was a nice daisy then. Yeah. 0:53:56.600 --> 0:54:00.359 So yeah, so he got into mark five. You get 0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:03.360 what's still around, right, It just looks a little different. 0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:05.479 Do you know the backstory on the how the cheek 0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:09.160 piece why he chose that, Well, a lot of it, 0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:12.080 I mean from a performance standpoint, was just to better 0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:16.359 align yourself, you know, optically, and to to get you know, 0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:18.640 your your your neck and cheek placement on it better. 0:54:18.880 --> 0:54:20.960 And then a lot of it is he's just a 0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:23.240 marketing genius too, and just wanted things to be different 0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:26.120 and so nobody was doing that at the time, and 0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:28.120 so a lot of things that he did he just 0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:32.120 really he wanted. He wanted what he had done to 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:35.800 stand out, you know. Um in the early days in 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:37.640 the fifties and his fifty four he created the weather 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:41.000 Be Big Game Trophy Award just still there today, which 0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:44.719 now today takes the weather. The award takes conservation and 0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:48.040 your character and different things along with your honey accomplishments, 0:54:48.160 --> 0:54:52.280 um and so uh So, anyways, he felt that nineteen 0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:54.880 fifty four and you have celebrities come in. So he 0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:58.759 just built the I mean it's the classic post World 0:54:58.800 --> 0:55:02.800 War two entreprene newer driving his dream and he poured 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:07.040 every ounce of his body, mind and soul and everything 0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:10.879 into building the business. And that's why we're here today 0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:12.799 with you. So it's we call it a blessing. It's 0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:14.439 a legacy. You call it what it is, and it's 0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:17.759 like it's it's cool to be a part of. So 0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:19.920 when did he how late was it how long was 0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:22.080 he active? And then how did your dad become active? 0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:25.640 My dad had obviously growing up in the business. Dad 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:28.319 was born in fifty one, so he you know, grew 0:55:28.400 --> 0:55:30.600 up in it. I think he became president whatever in 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:34.440 eighty three. My grandpa passed away eighty eight. Um, like 0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:37.400 he saw the first fiberglass stock was my dad's idea, 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:39.200 which we were the I think one of the first, 0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:41.720 if not the first company to have a nonwood stock 0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:45.000 in the early eighties. It was my dad's idea, and 0:55:45.040 --> 0:55:47.840 my grandpa hated it because that's not what a rifle 0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:50.600 looks ulish rifle ever seen head, Like my dad because 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:52.719 he's Roy every whether be Junior went by head and 0:55:53.200 --> 0:55:58.920 like that's horrible aesthetic. Yeah, the beautiful stud Yeah, I'm 0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:02.400 not gonna plastic. So anyways, it's sold really well. And 0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:09.080 then my grandpa liked it, and now what we sell 0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:12.520 probably at least and we sell more would percentage wise, 0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:14.879 and probably a lot of folks because we're known for that. 0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:19.440 But it's still you know, in composite materials, when was 0:56:19.440 --> 0:56:21.440 it what a year do you think approximately was when 0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:26.160 it went from when? When was it when? I don't know, 0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:31.000 but nineties it really took off. Yeah, I like I 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:34.840 remember in my lifetime, remember people talking about how you know, 0:56:34.880 --> 0:56:37.200 you know, oh they're ugly as hell, but these synthetic 0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:39.920 stocks are pretty nice. It's like still a thing you 0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:45.400 would hear people say, and now they look kind of cool. Yeah, yeah, no, 0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:50.840 it's it's it's been funny to watch that transition. So, um, 0:56:51.000 --> 0:56:53.160 has the company always been I mean, I know, now 0:56:53.239 --> 0:56:55.520 we'll talk about how you just moved it to Wyoming 0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:58.719 and why that is. But it was just always out 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:01.440 of the same place in California. My dad in the 0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:05.200 early nineties. So after it's been around for almost fifty years, 0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:07.720 shortly after my grandpa passed away, we moved from southern 0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:09.560 California to the Central Coast. He knew we needed to 0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:11.040 get out of the l A area. It just wasn't 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:14.040 a good place to have a gun business, um, And 0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:16.400 so moved it up to the central Coast to California, 0:57:16.520 --> 0:57:19.800 which it was until we just moved it to Wyoming. Yeah, 0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:25.360 and what what happened like like, I mean, I guess 0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:27.479 you could sit and think, like, oh, California doesn't seem 0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:30.200 like a logical place for a for a gun company. 0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:36.800 But why or what? Right? Lots of things, Um, I mean, 0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:38.960 it's kind of funny because we ended up going If 0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:41.120 you look, you kind of end up going to the 0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:43.000 opposite sometimes when you're feeling a little bit of pain. 0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:47.040 So we went from the state as far as it's 0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:50.880 regulations on guns, it's like the most regulated to Wyoming, 0:57:51.000 --> 0:57:53.280 which pretty much is not that we went from the 0:57:53.360 --> 0:57:56.200 most populous state at what thirty seven million to like 0:57:56.560 --> 0:57:59.840 a little over half the most populous the least. So 0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:04.200 we started to go, uh, worse taxes to make three 0:58:04.240 --> 0:58:06.080 years in a row. Why, I mean, like best taxes, 0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:08.960 no income tax ball blah. So it's it's a business thing. Uh, 0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:11.320 it's a people thing. Uh. Cost a living thing for 0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:15.400 our employees, operating expenses, turning on the lights, you know, 0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:17.920 everything that we that we did, along to just the 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:22.320 regulations that we're just getting extremely onerous on firearms, and 0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:24.360 so the writing was on the wall that it was 0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:26.160 not a good place to be and it wasn't a 0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:27.840 place for us to grow. Brenda and I are the 0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:30.080 type of leaders with the business that we don't want 0:58:30.080 --> 0:58:31.600 to put this thing on cruise control and just kind 0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:33.240 of do what's been done. And in our industry, we 0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:35.040 really can't afford to do that. We you have to 0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:36.800 be innovative, you gotta come out with new stuff. You've 0:58:36.800 --> 0:58:38.960 gotta be building and growing. And we knew that the 0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:41.560 we'd had an excellent past in California and a lot 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:45.600 of great tenured employees, uh, and and we missed a 0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:47.360 lot of them. Dearly that weren't able to move, but 0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:49.680 we knew for the future whether there was no option, 0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:51.120 it was just a matter of time. Did a lot 0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:53.880 of people want to move with you? Yeah, Brenda heads 0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:57.320 up all our people, um whether it be and she 0:58:57.360 --> 0:59:00.240 can she can speak to the people. But first I 0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:02.240 think there was a lot who wanted to move. But 0:59:02.360 --> 0:59:06.040 you know, when you uh, you have a family or 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:09.680 split custody or you know those kind of things. Um, 0:59:09.720 --> 0:59:13.120 I think probably fifty wanted to move, but we only 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:18.000 got about twenty two out of the so a third. 0:59:18.200 --> 0:59:19.960 It could have been worse than that, but it's still 0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:23.320 been a big pain point, you know, to rehire and 0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:27.120 retrain two thirds of your workforce. We got a lot 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:32.280 of amazing people though, Yeah, smith gains. Smiths move because 0:59:32.320 --> 0:59:35.200 they're like there else am I going to work in California? 0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:39.600 In the state the whole team. That's interesting team we had. 0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:42.320 We had a gentleman. You came to my grandpa when 0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:45.160 he was eighteen years old, first job right out of 0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:48.760 high school, and he just finished with us fifty seven 0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:52.680 years later, at the end of February fifty seven and 0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:57.680 a half years. Seven years. No, he worked in a 0:59:57.760 --> 1:00:01.680 variety of things, um from custom shop to customer service, 1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:05.320 to tech support to I think he's supplied to observation sales. 1:00:05.440 --> 1:00:10.000 I mean he just did everything. Yeah. I was recently 1:00:10.000 --> 1:00:12.240 saying how Wyoming is the best state in lower forty 1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:16.520 eight well including Hawaii, So best state in the forty 1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:19.760 nine states excluding Alaska, and you were like, oh, that's 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:24.480 personal opinion. I think it's a it's an objective reality. 1:00:24.880 --> 1:00:27.000 We we had to think of it this way. We 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.960 wanted to be we wanted to be out of California, 1:00:30.240 --> 1:00:31.640 and we wanted to be in the West still because 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:33.960 in our roots that's who we are. And we looked 1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:36.080 at least half a dozen states and we ended up 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:38.080 in Wyoming. I mean, we could will be the last 1:00:38.080 --> 1:00:42.480 state to get screwed up. I think we're at for Alaska. 1:00:42.720 --> 1:00:46.000 Alaska get screwed up somehow, in Alaska will still be cool. 1:00:46.320 --> 1:00:48.640 Everyone will fall off the cliffs sooner or later. But 1:00:48.760 --> 1:00:52.720 we are at the Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got billions 1:00:52.720 --> 1:00:57.000 of years before you fall off. You guys fall off. 1:00:57.240 --> 1:01:03.640 The ocean move first, remove about three quarters of an 1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:09.080 inch to the northwest every year, so we got a while. 1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:10.920 I'd have to go do the math you've got a 1:01:10.920 --> 1:01:13.120 good stretched time. There's other things that do that are 1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:19.160 more risky, well off subject. But what does that gunsmith 1:01:19.200 --> 1:01:22.760 that actually works in your factory, what are their days 1:01:22.840 --> 1:01:24.840 look like? Like? What are they mostly because they're not 1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:28.760 building every gun that you guys are reducing from custom 1:01:28.800 --> 1:01:31.520 shop to service work, you know, so it could be 1:01:31.560 --> 1:01:34.440 a full blown custom Like recently, we have this commemorative 1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:37.680 and rifle for Wyoming and it's a fancy wood gun 1:01:37.760 --> 1:01:40.520 and you gotta checker bolt knobs okay, and it's fine 1:01:40.520 --> 1:01:43.560 line like old school gun smith checkering that we're still doing. 1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:46.440 So it might be something like that. Um. We also 1:01:46.480 --> 1:01:50.080 service seventy four years a guns, so it might be repairs, um, 1:01:50.120 --> 1:01:52.400 you know, replacing our parts, those sorts of things. So 1:01:52.440 --> 1:01:54.200 people send in old stuff and you guys work on 1:01:54.200 --> 1:01:57.840 it yourselves. We have service centers as well. Um, but 1:01:57.960 --> 1:02:00.200 we do. We do a lot, which has been tough 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:05.000 during the transition. So if you're listening to this, another 1:02:05.080 --> 1:02:09.480 month or two before you call us. But yeah, I 1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:11.400 mean we stand behind her stuff. It's like that's the 1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:14.040 thing you've been around a long time. It's like, you know, 1:02:14.240 --> 1:02:15.800 it doesn't matter how old your gun is. If it 1:02:15.840 --> 1:02:17.400 says weather beyond it, we're gonna answer the phone. We're 1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:20.200 gonna help you. So it's not like if you just 1:02:20.280 --> 1:02:21.760 ran it over with your truck, we're gonna giving you 1:02:21.800 --> 1:02:25.120 stock for free. But if it's something that you know 1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:27.400 broke in your gun, I mean we stand behind it. 1:02:28.000 --> 1:02:32.600 Jim got a shotgun stolen thirty years ago. Um police 1:02:32.600 --> 1:02:36.320 department just turned it up about two years ago. It 1:02:36.400 --> 1:02:41.560 was his only weather be shotgun, and um it was 1:02:41.640 --> 1:02:45.080 not in good shape, and he sent it back in. 1:02:45.200 --> 1:02:49.400 He guys totally redid the shotgun. He was like, best 1:02:49.400 --> 1:02:53.720 goddamn customer service on the planet. What's interesting, he's a 1:02:53.800 --> 1:02:59.000 big shotgun. Gay, Huh are you not happy about that? 1:03:00.320 --> 1:03:05.160 I know there's I'm happy we have happy customers. Revenue 1:03:05.160 --> 1:03:12.840 standpoint it as smart. Did you guys want much in California? Yeah? Yeah, 1:03:12.880 --> 1:03:15.600 I mean there's you know, surprisingly some decent hunting. There's 1:03:15.600 --> 1:03:19.360 not I've got a lot of good public land there. Um, 1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:21.000 there's a lot of people there. But in the area 1:03:21.080 --> 1:03:24.240 we were in, um, there's a lot of pig hunting. Uh. 1:03:24.320 --> 1:03:29.000 You know, turkey, dove, quail, blacktail or coastal mial deer. 1:03:29.120 --> 1:03:32.240 So they called it um, so one of actually an 1:03:32.280 --> 1:03:34.400 interesting hunt out there Brenda's first buck. Tell him about 1:03:34.400 --> 1:03:36.919 your first buck, you shout out there, I think for this. Yeah. 1:03:37.960 --> 1:03:42.160 So they have this vineyard, and obviously in central coasts 1:03:42.200 --> 1:03:45.440 tons of vineyards and so most of the vineyards um 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:49.120 fenced these deer out. But this vineyard is kind of 1:03:49.120 --> 1:03:53.520 a likes hunting, so they let the deer come in, 1:03:53.720 --> 1:03:58.040 which does um provide um great hunting access for people, 1:03:58.160 --> 1:04:01.360 but also um it kind the destroy some of their crops. 1:04:01.840 --> 1:04:05.280 Deer want to eat the grapes. Yes, so these deer 1:04:05.440 --> 1:04:08.840 the leaves more that the leaves, not actually the grapes, 1:04:09.280 --> 1:04:11.360 the tender shoot of them. So they will lose a 1:04:11.400 --> 1:04:14.680 lot of grape yield from it um. But these deer 1:04:14.720 --> 1:04:16.680 are so happy they're sitting in the shade. It's like 1:04:16.840 --> 1:04:19.640 deer resort, drinking like drip. They're not fenced in. They're 1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:22.720 fenced out from all the other vineyards. And typically blacktail 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:26.440 in California is not the best venesine. But this venisine 1:04:26.520 --> 1:04:29.560 is the best. It's the best in our life. Car none. 1:04:29.560 --> 1:04:32.760 So when she shot her her first buck was the 1:04:32.840 --> 1:04:40.400 vineyard buck, right, and you're you're turning your head looking 1:04:40.440 --> 1:04:43.120 down the rose. I shot one one year as well, 1:04:44.400 --> 1:04:47.320 because it is it is so good, so they actually 1:04:47.360 --> 1:04:49.760 take after you shoot it, they go and if it's 1:04:49.800 --> 1:04:51.360 in the mr Low area, they take a bottle of 1:04:51.360 --> 1:04:53.680 the Merlow and they cook up the heart and you 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:56.560 have the heart in the mr Low in the venezine. 1:04:56.560 --> 1:04:59.160 I don't thinkause the tenderloins. Whatever you did right then 1:04:59.160 --> 1:05:01.840 and there were just to heart, just the heart. It is, 1:05:02.280 --> 1:05:06.240 and I'm not kidding you. I had people over from 1:05:06.280 --> 1:05:10.360 the hills. I mean I've had people taste tests that 1:05:10.480 --> 1:05:14.560 typically our coastal California blacktail or coastal meal deer, depending 1:05:14.560 --> 1:05:16.520 on where they are as far as bordering it, what 1:05:16.600 --> 1:05:20.480 species they are, is usually very tough and pretty and 1:05:20.560 --> 1:05:23.720 it's just not phenomenal unless you really got to do 1:05:23.720 --> 1:05:25.280 a lot of stuff to it. It's not the best. 1:05:25.840 --> 1:05:30.480 And it is this particular one. I mean you'll put 1:05:30.520 --> 1:05:33.280 it next to elk, backstrap or tenderloin where I've had 1:05:33.320 --> 1:05:37.320 it next to i mean white tail from farmlands and everything, 1:05:37.320 --> 1:05:40.520 and people will taste test wise they'll pick this it's amazing. 1:05:40.720 --> 1:05:43.040 It's real, it's absolutely amazing, and part of it's like 1:05:43.240 --> 1:05:46.000 very rare though there's a conservation piece behind it too, 1:05:46.080 --> 1:05:48.280 of like, what about these deer that are getting you know, 1:05:48.280 --> 1:05:50.840 there's all these population coming in California and then you 1:05:50.880 --> 1:05:54.040 take these vineyards. So even when we were kids, um, 1:05:54.120 --> 1:05:57.320 just even thirty years ago, there's like three wineries within 1:05:57.360 --> 1:05:59.840 like a thirty mile radius of our old place in California. 1:06:00.200 --> 1:06:03.200 So they're everywhere. So what does the wildlife you know, 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:05.000 tend to do and where do they live and all 1:06:05.040 --> 1:06:08.280 those when all of the land is when they're fencing 1:06:08.280 --> 1:06:10.480 all the wild life out and it used to be 1:06:10.560 --> 1:06:19.320 ranching land. Yeah, why why did you so you've been 1:06:19.360 --> 1:06:22.800 exposed to shooting in firearms for twenty some years, why 1:06:22.800 --> 1:06:26.400 did you on need so recently start hunting deer? This 1:06:26.480 --> 1:06:29.439 is interesting because when I met Adam, and definitely after 1:06:29.480 --> 1:06:33.960 we got married, they're just like the women weren't in 1:06:34.000 --> 1:06:37.200 the family, weren't hunting a lot. So I didn't come 1:06:37.240 --> 1:06:39.600 from a family of hunters, so I kind of just 1:06:39.600 --> 1:06:41.200 followed suit. I was like, well, I guess this is 1:06:41.240 --> 1:06:44.760 what you do, and the guys go out hunting and 1:06:44.840 --> 1:06:48.760 the girls don't you know? So um, and really I didn't. 1:06:49.240 --> 1:06:51.680 I always went dove hunting in the fall and that 1:06:51.760 --> 1:06:55.440 was just always a fun time. UM. But I didn't 1:06:55.520 --> 1:06:59.760 until my daughter actually wanted to get her Hunter Safety 1:07:00.200 --> 1:07:01.920 and so I was kind of worried she wasn't going 1:07:01.960 --> 1:07:05.080 to pass her test, literally, and I'm like, why don't 1:07:05.080 --> 1:07:06.920 we do it together, you know, because I thought it 1:07:06.920 --> 1:07:09.520 would be better to do that together and be able 1:07:09.560 --> 1:07:11.680 to go through the class and all that. And so 1:07:11.800 --> 1:07:14.800 as soon as you could help her cheat, well, no, 1:07:14.880 --> 1:07:17.120 I didn't know. She's a really good test saker. I 1:07:17.160 --> 1:07:19.720 just had to like walk her through the dynamics of 1:07:19.960 --> 1:07:25.360 you know, at what she was loven or twelve eleven, 1:07:25.440 --> 1:07:28.640 ten eleven something like that or something like that. UM 1:07:28.680 --> 1:07:32.720 and a daughter activity, yes, yes. And so right after 1:07:32.760 --> 1:07:36.680 we got UM, right after I got my Hunter Safety UM, 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:40.400 the company was actually just launching the idea of this 1:07:40.440 --> 1:07:44.720 women's rifle, and so it really came at a pivotal 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:48.680 time for me, UM because I had this like purpose 1:07:49.000 --> 1:07:53.240 to then help launch this rifle and we um women 1:07:53.320 --> 1:07:54.840 of weather be that was kind of what we called. 1:07:54.840 --> 1:07:58.520 It was really about mentoring. So I kind of, you know, 1:07:59.160 --> 1:08:02.560 hooked up with a you mentor Lady Hunters, and they 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:06.080 took me out and helped me learn and then that 1:08:06.160 --> 1:08:10.440 Camilla rifle just kind of gave me a lot of opportunities, 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:13.800 um to hunt for myself. And it wasn't that I 1:08:13.840 --> 1:08:16.120 was going out. Actually most of my hunting the first 1:08:16.160 --> 1:08:18.240 couple of years was not without them. It was with 1:08:18.280 --> 1:08:21.400 other women. So it was just a um and with 1:08:21.439 --> 1:08:25.480 my daughter. So it was a really learning, fun experience. UM, 1:08:25.720 --> 1:08:28.640 no pressure, you know. So it was just it was 1:08:28.680 --> 1:08:31.720 really I would say with if it wasn't for the 1:08:31.720 --> 1:08:34.559 Camilla rifle, I probably wouldn't be the hunter that I am. 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:38.559 So there was kind of a push. Yeah, I've always 1:08:38.720 --> 1:08:42.200 bren has always been passionate about cooking and about eating 1:08:42.200 --> 1:08:43.960 healthy and you know, as a family and all those 1:08:44.000 --> 1:08:45.439 kind of things. So I think that part of it 1:08:45.439 --> 1:08:47.479 was always natural to her too, and so that I 1:08:47.520 --> 1:08:50.160 think it was one piece that pulled you in as well. Yeah. 1:08:50.200 --> 1:08:52.320 I remember my first pig hunt. That was my first 1:08:52.320 --> 1:08:55.439 big game animal. And if you call pig big game, 1:08:55.560 --> 1:09:00.559 but um yeah, yeah, yeah that's a big pig. But 1:09:00.760 --> 1:09:02.800 I didn't know, like they're like, do you want to 1:09:02.800 --> 1:09:04.400 do this? And I'm like, well, I guess I should try. 1:09:04.439 --> 1:09:06.559 I don't know what I'm going to feel afterwards, And 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:08.479 everyone says, oh, I could never do that, and like, well, 1:09:08.479 --> 1:09:09.760 I don't know if I could do it or not, 1:09:09.800 --> 1:09:11.640 but I guess I'm gonna try, and then I can 1:09:11.680 --> 1:09:14.920 always say no that didn't work out for me. Um. So, 1:09:15.000 --> 1:09:17.840 but after I shot my first pig, I was like, 1:09:17.920 --> 1:09:20.200 that was awesome. That was so it was just a 1:09:20.240 --> 1:09:23.439 positive experience. Um. And then I took home all this 1:09:23.680 --> 1:09:27.400 meat and I was like, this is so cool. So 1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:31.759 the meat part like actually put me over the fence 1:09:31.880 --> 1:09:36.000 way more than the than really the experience, I mean 1:09:36.080 --> 1:09:38.439 experience was awesome, but like I got to enjoy this 1:09:38.560 --> 1:09:41.080 meat and cook it for my family for like months. 1:09:41.880 --> 1:09:45.840 That was just amazing, satisfying validity to the whole thing. Yeah, 1:09:46.080 --> 1:09:48.080 you know, I may never have to try a t 1:09:48.280 --> 1:09:51.760 bone again. Like that was amazing, this tangible thing that 1:09:51.840 --> 1:09:55.600 comes from it. Yes, do you help with your daughter much? Yeah, 1:09:55.720 --> 1:09:57.880 she enjoyed it. She does enjoy it. She's a very 1:09:57.960 --> 1:10:01.600 busy girl, um in high school doing sports, doing this 1:10:01.680 --> 1:10:05.360 of that. But she is, um, she's quite a little firecracker. 1:10:05.640 --> 1:10:08.640 She um. Yeah, she can just run. I'm like, no one. 1:10:08.720 --> 1:10:11.120 She's a great shot and she'll carry anything on her 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:13.360 back a lot longer than you would ever think she 1:10:13.400 --> 1:10:17.080 could us in Dana, our daughter shot in antelope this 1:10:17.160 --> 1:10:20.120 last year, and and she just because she wanted to. 1:10:21.040 --> 1:10:23.559 There's eight guys with her, but she had sleut slewt 1:10:23.640 --> 1:10:26.479 the um antelope on her backpack. Here the whole thing 1:10:26.640 --> 1:10:28.240 just feel justed and she packed it out probably three 1:10:28.320 --> 1:10:30.360 quarters of a mile on her back the animal. Yeah, 1:10:31.200 --> 1:10:34.640 I mean it was just purely off of, well, I 1:10:34.680 --> 1:10:40.320 want to do more because you know antelope puns. Just yeah, 1:10:40.560 --> 1:10:43.080 it's more kind of social. And then we had a 1:10:43.160 --> 1:10:46.799 great stock and super fun and and then she's like, well, 1:10:48.880 --> 1:10:50.720 can't I help, like get this thing out? And I 1:10:50.800 --> 1:10:52.760 was like, all, stuff that thing in your backpack for 1:10:52.840 --> 1:10:55.320 you if you want to do it. And it was 1:10:55.520 --> 1:10:57.960 like the highlight of my hunting season. It was awesome, 1:10:58.600 --> 1:11:02.800 like her attitude and she's just like she kind of 1:11:02.800 --> 1:11:04.759 stopped and just in the pack a couple of times 1:11:04.760 --> 1:11:07.360 and lifted up and gave her a break once or twice, 1:11:07.400 --> 1:11:11.320 and she said, okay, yeah, it was so cool, really cool. 1:11:11.800 --> 1:11:15.639 Sixty she's been fifteen. Then that's awesome. When you say 1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:18.000 a woman's rifle, how's that like? How is it actually 1:11:18.040 --> 1:11:21.400 different than than a Yeah, I've been talking about guns 1:11:21.400 --> 1:11:25.240 a lot, Brenda. Yeah, the kamilla um organomically is different. 1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:29.280 So the stock itself is different. So shorter length of poll, 1:11:30.080 --> 1:11:34.400 um slimmer grip. You want to explain lin, sorry, length 1:11:34.400 --> 1:11:39.000 of poll. So this is I'm gonna probably butcher length 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:43.320 the poll I mean, don't just explain it. Yeah, So 1:11:43.560 --> 1:11:46.880 your arms are shorter. Most women's arms are shorter, and 1:11:46.960 --> 1:11:51.040 so a full length rifle feels really big and feels 1:11:51.200 --> 1:11:53.960 off balance to them between date the but stocks on 1:11:53.960 --> 1:11:56.720 your shoulder and where your finger pulls from the end 1:11:56.760 --> 1:11:59.760 of the stock to the trigger. Correct. Yeah, So when 1:11:59.800 --> 1:12:03.599 we're designing it, we had five different um women. They're 1:12:03.640 --> 1:12:05.880 all of different kind of statures, and we a lot 1:12:05.920 --> 1:12:08.680 of very experienced hunters, yeah, and guides and stuff, and 1:12:08.720 --> 1:12:11.600 so we basically took all of our measurements and we 1:12:11.680 --> 1:12:14.519 tried to come up with something that would um you know, 1:12:14.600 --> 1:12:16.640 it's not a custom rifle because everyone would have a 1:12:16.640 --> 1:12:18.960 different length of pull, but it was you know, similar, 1:12:19.560 --> 1:12:21.559 so it would um fit that person and even just 1:12:21.880 --> 1:12:24.519 the curves of it, the shape of it. The women's 1:12:24.560 --> 1:12:27.519 neck is typically longer, so we the actual you know, 1:12:27.600 --> 1:12:32.280 cheek pieces different and the actual pistol grip is narrower 1:12:32.280 --> 1:12:34.800 to to actually and in your distance not only the 1:12:34.880 --> 1:12:36.760 length of pull back from your shoulder if you would 1:12:36.760 --> 1:12:39.160 out to the trigger, but also that grip. The grip 1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:42.400 to trigger is a different dimension. So it's it's not 1:12:42.479 --> 1:12:44.960 just what a lot of people do for quote youth 1:12:45.080 --> 1:12:47.479 or women, okay, is they just change the length of 1:12:47.520 --> 1:12:49.040 pull So they hacked the butt back of the butt 1:12:49.080 --> 1:12:52.280 stock off. Everything else is the same, everything else remains 1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:55.040 the same. But in our experience, when women go to 1:12:55.080 --> 1:12:56.920 purchase things, they don't like to buy things made for 1:12:57.000 --> 1:12:59.400 men but slightly smaller. They like things to be shaped, 1:12:59.439 --> 1:13:03.280 specificly fit or orgonomically designed for them. And so we 1:13:03.320 --> 1:13:06.240 did that and package did in something that is done 1:13:06.400 --> 1:13:08.240 really well for us because there's just not a lot 1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:10.080 out there, and there are a lot of women like 1:13:10.120 --> 1:13:14.800 Brenda who are maybe newer to things, and so it's um, 1:13:14.840 --> 1:13:17.840 we found a lot of women to really identify with 1:13:17.880 --> 1:13:19.559 it in a lot of different ways. I think the 1:13:19.600 --> 1:13:23.840 biggest feature is um the cheek world. So it sets 1:13:23.880 --> 1:13:26.800 your cheek up higher so you're not cranking your neck down. 1:13:27.280 --> 1:13:30.080 And that's been the biggest change, at least for me. 1:13:30.280 --> 1:13:32.599 You know, a lot of times you're trying to find 1:13:32.600 --> 1:13:36.000 your way your scope picture, and it's just it's really difficult. 1:13:36.560 --> 1:13:40.639 Um and so scope alignment for new hunters sometimes difficult, right, 1:13:40.880 --> 1:13:47.519 trying to actually get your hardest thing for how many 1:13:47.560 --> 1:13:49.240 guys are taking your kids on their first SECD like 1:13:49.320 --> 1:13:54.280 there's a big, big deer whatever, and they're like, yeah, 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:59.840 that's the No one really discussed it, but that's typically 1:13:59.840 --> 1:14:04.879 the problem. They're lifting their head up and down. I left, yeah, 1:14:04.960 --> 1:14:08.559 and so that's that's the biggest I think most women 1:14:08.600 --> 1:14:10.519 would say that's the biggest feature that they like. So 1:14:10.600 --> 1:14:13.120 we have it in a lot of calibers and our 1:14:13.200 --> 1:14:15.360 Mark five or Vanguard rifles and a lot of different ones. 1:14:15.400 --> 1:14:17.320 So it just keeps expanding because it's just been really 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:20.240 popular because there's not a lot out there specifically designed 1:14:20.840 --> 1:14:22.720 for women. It's got to be hard though, because you're 1:14:22.760 --> 1:14:25.320 making a product for only ten, like you're you're automatically 1:14:25.320 --> 1:14:30.960 limiting yourself to the group. However, here's the difference is 1:14:31.520 --> 1:14:33.920 pretty much every other gun company out there is building 1:14:33.920 --> 1:14:37.080 guns for So every time I build a regular guys 1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:39.759 rifler or whatever you call it, it's competing against everybody. 1:14:39.920 --> 1:14:42.519 We're competing against very very little people for that space. 1:14:42.560 --> 1:14:44.800 There's just not a lot of people who who see that. 1:14:44.880 --> 1:14:47.760 And we love the idea of new hunters, you know, 1:14:47.840 --> 1:14:51.840 coming in and enjoying the outdoors. And I think you know, 1:14:51.920 --> 1:14:54.280 people like Brenda that have experienced that, like, we want 1:14:54.280 --> 1:14:56.679 to make it a great experience for them. And often 1:14:56.760 --> 1:15:00.240 things that you purchase help you get into that, right, mean, 1:15:00.520 --> 1:15:02.280 like you start to get into something, they're like, Wow, 1:15:02.320 --> 1:15:04.120 that rifle is like made for me. I'm gonna I'm 1:15:04.120 --> 1:15:06.320 gonna get my own rifle. A lot of women come 1:15:06.320 --> 1:15:10.439 into it and they're using boyfriend's, dad's, uncles or whoever. Stuff, 1:15:10.479 --> 1:15:12.840 And it's just you tend to get more into things 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:14.320 once you start spend a little bit of money on 1:15:14.320 --> 1:15:17.680 your right. Yeah, yeah, you got your own gear. I mean, 1:15:17.720 --> 1:15:20.439 they don't like to wear guys just like women's outdoor 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:23.160 clothing gear the same thing. You don't want to wear 1:15:23.200 --> 1:15:27.439 guy's clothes, the same sort of thing. Do you uh? 1:15:27.760 --> 1:15:32.280 In the firearm business, where there's people it seems like 1:15:32.400 --> 1:15:35.280 new stuff, right and you have all these new companies 1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:38.639 that are making these like small run customs and stuff. 1:15:39.040 --> 1:15:40.559 Is it do you do you feel that it's hard 1:15:40.640 --> 1:15:44.920 to Like, you guys, have you have a like a 1:15:45.040 --> 1:15:48.960 legacy brand rights that every it's like everyone in the country. 1:15:49.000 --> 1:15:51.439 Not everyone in the country, most hunters have been hunting 1:15:51.479 --> 1:15:54.479 a long time. Like recognize it and know the name. 1:15:55.400 --> 1:15:57.599 But do you feel that it's like a confusing landscape 1:15:57.680 --> 1:16:00.439 right now because there's so much You know, there used 1:16:00.439 --> 1:16:03.200 to be just this like small handful of gun manufacturers 1:16:03.200 --> 1:16:09.000 and now there's hundreds. Right, what's that like? What does 1:16:09.040 --> 1:16:11.080 it like to exist in that landscape? Yeah, it's you 1:16:11.160 --> 1:16:14.599 gotta find your unique space, right, Like how are we unique? 1:16:14.600 --> 1:16:16.200 And how do we stand out? And I think we've 1:16:16.200 --> 1:16:18.680 spent a lot of time as a team going in 1:16:18.720 --> 1:16:22.400 some ways. We have that brand name, that recognition everybody. 1:16:22.439 --> 1:16:24.840 What we hear a lot of times is whether it 1:16:24.880 --> 1:16:28.080 be always want to own a weather Be or man, 1:16:28.280 --> 1:16:30.599 I remember my dad's weather Be collection, or that it's 1:16:30.640 --> 1:16:34.759 that So we have the brand prestige that's there, um 1:16:34.880 --> 1:16:36.760 and then it's okay once we have that brand, like 1:16:36.800 --> 1:16:38.800 how do we how do we stand out? Part of 1:16:38.840 --> 1:16:40.120 it is you're sitting here and talking to Adam and 1:16:40.160 --> 1:16:42.960 Branda weather Be. There's very few left in our industry 1:16:43.000 --> 1:16:44.880 where you could say that about if any company that's 1:16:44.880 --> 1:16:47.000 been around for longer than a decade or two, and 1:16:47.360 --> 1:16:51.160 there's something personal about that in an an American owned, 1:16:51.920 --> 1:16:54.120 you know, firearms and ammunition company that I think a 1:16:54.120 --> 1:16:58.320 lot of folks in industry appreciates. There's some uniqueness about that. Um, 1:16:58.360 --> 1:17:00.640 I think that you know, the ballistics periority thing we 1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:02.519 talked about, it's a little bit different. So we always 1:17:02.520 --> 1:17:04.200 need to come back and go, Okay, we gotta remember 1:17:04.240 --> 1:17:06.479 Grandpa started this thing with with Ammo, and like the 1:17:06.520 --> 1:17:09.320 speed game is something that we do. We do hear 1:17:09.320 --> 1:17:12.000 a lot because that brand prestige about the quality craftsmanship, 1:17:12.040 --> 1:17:13.439 but you start to go there in the accuracy and 1:17:13.439 --> 1:17:15.519 everybody starts to claim that type of stuff, right, and 1:17:15.960 --> 1:17:17.400 we kind of find ourselves in the middle. There's a 1:17:17.439 --> 1:17:19.800 lot of the small gunshop guys and there's maybe some 1:17:19.840 --> 1:17:23.559 of the large or large competitors that, um, you have 1:17:23.640 --> 1:17:26.200 tons of resources. But yeah, we I think we can 1:17:26.200 --> 1:17:28.800 be more nimble because of our size, and so we 1:17:28.840 --> 1:17:31.080 try to really just take advantage and go who are 1:17:31.120 --> 1:17:34.800 we in this space and how can we take our 1:17:34.840 --> 1:17:38.240 brand prestige or quality craftsmanship, our ballistic superiority. Things that 1:17:38.280 --> 1:17:40.599 are different about us the family owned aspect of it, 1:17:40.840 --> 1:17:44.680 and really leverage that we can't Ever, we're not going 1:17:44.720 --> 1:17:46.519 to have guns as cheap as a few of the 1:17:46.600 --> 1:17:49.400 large US gun manufacturers. It's not good for our brand 1:17:49.720 --> 1:17:52.400 and we'll lose money. So for two reasons, it's not 1:17:52.439 --> 1:17:55.200 a good idea um and so we need to focus 1:17:55.200 --> 1:17:57.200 on that space for a lot of a lot of 1:17:57.240 --> 1:17:59.960 gun at a good value with our premium name on it. 1:18:00.040 --> 1:18:02.439 We're also not the custom shop guy that only makes 1:18:02.439 --> 1:18:04.840 a hundred a year, and so like we're never going 1:18:04.920 --> 1:18:06.840 to have the quality that you are on like a 1:18:06.920 --> 1:18:09.800 parazzi shotgun that's like a hundred thousand dollars or something. 1:18:09.800 --> 1:18:11.639 We're not going to compete there. We're also not gonna 1:18:11.640 --> 1:18:13.880 have a rifle for two nine, So we have to 1:18:13.920 --> 1:18:16.639 figure out like who we are in all those those 1:18:16.640 --> 1:18:18.439 spaces and kind of do that. When we do that, 1:18:18.720 --> 1:18:22.360 it gets really less crowded really quickly. If I said that, right, 1:18:24.040 --> 1:18:28.479 what's uh, what's the sweet spot on on money? Because 1:18:28.640 --> 1:18:32.519 we'll oftentimes have people coming uh people that are coming 1:18:32.560 --> 1:18:35.080 to us, they're trying to figure out buying a rifle 1:18:35.240 --> 1:18:37.920 and they're trying to understand what do I get for 1:18:38.120 --> 1:18:41.799 three d bucks and what do I get for seven thousand? 1:18:42.320 --> 1:18:44.559 And where do I need to land in there? Absolutely 1:18:44.600 --> 1:18:45.760 know what I mean? Like you kind of you kind 1:18:45.760 --> 1:18:47.479 of find like you mentioned you're not gonna have a two. 1:18:50.040 --> 1:18:52.000 You know what's funny is where does the I guess, 1:18:52.040 --> 1:18:54.760 where does the where do the returns? Where does what 1:18:54.840 --> 1:18:58.080 you're getting really start to drop off sharply as you 1:18:58.120 --> 1:19:02.920 get into the astronomical dollars? Yeah? I think first is 1:19:03.000 --> 1:19:04.759 you know what's funny is there's a lot of guys 1:19:05.920 --> 1:19:07.599 who are a lot of guys who own a lot 1:19:07.600 --> 1:19:09.800 of guns, so they don't spend a lot of money 1:19:09.800 --> 1:19:12.000 on any particular one gun. Right, So a lot of 1:19:12.040 --> 1:19:15.439 people that own a firearm own fifteen firearms, right. But 1:19:15.479 --> 1:19:16.800 then they do it and they buy a lot. The 1:19:16.840 --> 1:19:21.040 crazy thing is they'll complain about the difference sometimes between 1:19:21.240 --> 1:19:25.439 three nine dollar gun and a fos and they just 1:19:26.200 --> 1:19:29.400 but then it's like whatever, you get a smartphone and 1:19:29.439 --> 1:19:32.120 it's dead into your These are like generational pieces that 1:19:32.160 --> 1:19:35.840 you're like making memories with, traveling throughout the world, harvesting 1:19:35.880 --> 1:19:38.400 game and possibly hatting them down to your great grandchildren. 1:19:38.680 --> 1:19:40.760 And you're complain about a hundred fifty dollars. So I 1:19:40.840 --> 1:19:45.200 think there is a certain point, this is me personally speaking, 1:19:45.280 --> 1:19:47.320 that you want to have a little bit of of 1:19:47.400 --> 1:19:50.200 pride in that product. Now, there's different uses. Okay, you 1:19:50.240 --> 1:19:52.200 get a truck gun, you throw it around, and you 1:19:52.280 --> 1:19:54.160 got a rancher it wants shoot coyot. It might be 1:19:54.200 --> 1:19:56.559 a little bit different, right, and so it depends on 1:19:56.640 --> 1:19:57.960 what you're gonna do with it. But even if you're 1:19:58.000 --> 1:20:00.880 getting just a deer rifle you're gonna have for a 1:20:00.920 --> 1:20:03.960 long time, you want something that has that quality feel 1:20:04.040 --> 1:20:06.280 to it and it doesn't rattle around and feel like 1:20:06.280 --> 1:20:09.320 a piece of junk. You know. I think it's disappointing, man, 1:20:09.360 --> 1:20:12.759 when you have something that feels and it drives me nuts. 1:20:12.760 --> 1:20:16.559 Though the like sometimes over like a hundred bucks. I'm like, guys, 1:20:16.600 --> 1:20:18.000 like you just went and bought a big screen TV 1:20:18.040 --> 1:20:20.920 at Costco last weekend, Like that difference. Could have just 1:20:20.960 --> 1:20:22.960 bought you a pie shoot had for fifty years and 1:20:23.000 --> 1:20:25.760 had pictures within your walls and like handed your grandkids. Like. 1:20:26.040 --> 1:20:28.040 So I'm passionate about that, right because that's what I 1:20:28.040 --> 1:20:30.120 do and I get that. So I'm a little thwarted. 1:20:30.560 --> 1:20:32.920 But I think you get into a certain price point, 1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:35.000 there's a lot at the bottom. In the last five years, 1:20:35.680 --> 1:20:38.560 there's been a lot that's come out at the very bottom. 1:20:38.640 --> 1:20:41.200 There are decent, good shooting guns at the bottom of 1:20:41.200 --> 1:20:43.439 the pile, well under five hundred dollars, okay for a 1:20:43.479 --> 1:20:46.760 dear rifle that did not exist ten years ago. Under 1:20:46.760 --> 1:20:48.840 five hundred bucks. Ten years ago, there wasn't a lot 1:20:48.880 --> 1:20:51.880 of good stuff. There are some good shooting guns that 1:20:51.920 --> 1:20:55.160 will shoot well and harvest deer or whatever you're shooting. 1:20:55.880 --> 1:20:58.080 I think from there, if you're looking to get beyond 1:20:58.080 --> 1:21:00.599 that at all, there are other values in features. It's 1:21:00.640 --> 1:21:03.680 the quality, it's the way the bolt feels, it's durability, 1:21:03.800 --> 1:21:06.120 Sarah coats Real Popular, which is a coating on the gun, 1:21:06.160 --> 1:21:09.040 and all weather coating which and brings in the color aspect. 1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:11.080 There's do you want a muzzle break? Do you want 1:21:11.080 --> 1:21:13.040 a detachable magazine? You know, So you start to get 1:21:13.080 --> 1:21:14.840 into a little bit of the features you know that 1:21:14.880 --> 1:21:19.320 are on there. But the difference between like a three 1:21:19.400 --> 1:21:21.639 and fifty dollar gun and a seven fifty dollar gun 1:21:22.240 --> 1:21:25.920 is everything, like from equality and feature standpoint of what 1:21:26.080 --> 1:21:28.680 you get in the in the difference of those If 1:21:28.680 --> 1:21:32.240 that makes sense. Um and and just even the tolerances, 1:21:32.280 --> 1:21:34.200 and you got amount of scope up and sometimes things 1:21:34.200 --> 1:21:36.560 are off. It's like all of those type of things 1:21:36.600 --> 1:21:38.880 that just kind of kind of add up there. But 1:21:39.360 --> 1:21:42.439 I think what we're doing, like our Vanguard line, I 1:21:42.479 --> 1:21:46.080 think it starts at about maybe mid fours to five bucks, 1:21:46.120 --> 1:21:48.000 about as cheap as you'd go in a rifle that 1:21:48.000 --> 1:21:51.080 has a weather by name on it. But we whether 1:21:51.160 --> 1:21:53.880 trend has gone the last five years is actually towards 1:21:53.880 --> 1:21:56.080 more the value added stuff that we're selling a lot 1:21:56.120 --> 1:22:01.679 in then where they're like, man, I get Sera coated 1:22:01.680 --> 1:22:03.680 and might match with my camo like that first life 1:22:03.720 --> 1:22:05.439 Vanguard that we have, right, I think it's pushing about 1:22:05.439 --> 1:22:07.800 a thousand bucks. It's sound like crazy for us because 1:22:07.800 --> 1:22:10.240 you're like, I got flutes into barrel, which helped the 1:22:10.280 --> 1:22:12.280 barrel to cool a little bit better. Plus it makes 1:22:12.320 --> 1:22:15.280 it look cool, and it's supposed to make it more rigid, 1:22:15.360 --> 1:22:17.240 more accurate, all this kind of stuff, right. But plus 1:22:17.240 --> 1:22:19.519 then you have the full seric coded flat dark Earth 1:22:19.600 --> 1:22:22.120 that matches with the colors on the first light, and 1:22:22.160 --> 1:22:24.960 it's got a muzzle brake reduces recoil by fift all 1:22:25.000 --> 1:22:27.800 those things you're adding up, it's a gun that when 1:22:27.840 --> 1:22:30.120 you're sitting around there, I don't know, sharing a campfire 1:22:30.160 --> 1:22:32.759 with people, you're like, I don't know, a little bias 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:34.320 to put your weather be and you're like, yeah, this 1:22:34.360 --> 1:22:36.040 is this is pretty cool. And there are other brands 1:22:36.040 --> 1:22:38.120 out there there like that too. Obviously I think that 1:22:38.160 --> 1:22:39.880 are on part with that, but you certainly do get 1:22:39.880 --> 1:22:42.360 those features along, not just the brand. But I don't 1:22:42.400 --> 1:22:45.000 know that was my sales pitch. But I do this 1:22:45.000 --> 1:22:48.759 for a living, so I'm pretty passionate about it. I'm 1:22:48.800 --> 1:22:52.400 just I think life's too sure to hunt with an ugly, 1:22:52.479 --> 1:22:56.240 cheap gun unless you have to. Okay, so your economics 1:22:56.520 --> 1:22:59.200 may okay if that's the case, but they're, like I said, 1:22:59.240 --> 1:23:01.439 a lot of guys dropping money on big screen TV 1:23:01.520 --> 1:23:02.880 and all these other things. So then it's just a 1:23:02.920 --> 1:23:05.360 priority matter. And at that point, get a smaller TV 1:23:05.439 --> 1:23:08.280 and get a nice rifle for current out loud, small, 1:23:08.400 --> 1:23:16.479 smaller to pick up, and the forty bins which the 1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:19.639 same way. Yeah, where you get you have real nice 1:23:19.760 --> 1:23:23.000 optics on a bad rifle or vice versa. So it's 1:23:23.000 --> 1:23:24.680 all for a lot of people, I say, they can't 1:23:24.720 --> 1:23:28.240 afford a decent rifle. It's most of the time, I 1:23:28.280 --> 1:23:30.000 find that not true. It's just what you choose to 1:23:30.040 --> 1:23:36.200 spend it. One. Yeah, it's a hard self for beginners mostly, 1:23:36.240 --> 1:23:38.240 I find I don't really find that talking with an 1:23:38.240 --> 1:23:41.320 experienced hunter, they really get that too much. But for 1:23:41.360 --> 1:23:44.000 some reason with beginners, I'm always like, yeah, you really 1:23:44.000 --> 1:23:45.920 shouldn't go there for X, Y and Z, and they 1:23:45.960 --> 1:23:47.720 just don't. And I feel like you just have to 1:23:47.720 --> 1:23:51.160 have a certain amount of experience to be like, oh, okay, 1:23:51.479 --> 1:23:55.080 I understand why that bolt throw this feels better and 1:23:55.080 --> 1:23:57.360 it might you know, end up meaning more dead deer 1:23:57.439 --> 1:24:00.960 in the long run because it's faster and or whatever. 1:24:01.160 --> 1:24:06.160 I think binos, fishing reels, rifles, there's certain things like 1:24:06.240 --> 1:24:09.880 over the course of your life you realize, um, there's 1:24:09.880 --> 1:24:14.000 certain things just warrant the extra expenditure. You're pre spooled 1:24:14.040 --> 1:24:23.120 fishing reel sitting there and tight on the end already. Yeah, 1:24:23.120 --> 1:24:25.639 the more stuff is attached to it when you purchased it, 1:24:25.640 --> 1:24:28.840 it's actually it seems better, but it's actually much worse. 1:24:29.520 --> 1:24:33.879 Spencial cool right now, do you think gun technology has peaked? 1:24:34.240 --> 1:24:37.839 Like I'm you know a lot more about the archery industry, 1:24:37.960 --> 1:24:41.080 and like a decade ago, it seems like the materials 1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:44.000 and the camp systems and things like that, like it 1:24:44.080 --> 1:24:46.759 just hit a wall and now vertical bows haven't gone 1:24:46.840 --> 1:24:50.040 much further in like a decade. Has that been the 1:24:50.080 --> 1:24:51.880 case like in the gun industry or do you think 1:24:52.000 --> 1:24:54.559 you're close to that? I think it's actually rounding a 1:24:54.640 --> 1:24:59.799 corner right now. Technologically, Um, you know, let's say carbon 1:24:59.800 --> 1:25:02.360 fire here barrels right which is still steal. Okay, just 1:25:02.400 --> 1:25:04.720 everybody knows that it's carbon fiber wrapped around steel, so 1:25:04.720 --> 1:25:07.160 the part of the bullet travelser still steal. But you're 1:25:07.160 --> 1:25:09.720 seeing those on a ton of rifles right now, right. 1:25:09.760 --> 1:25:11.519 I mean, you got proof research up here in Montana. 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:14.360 That's ten years ago. It was like really rare to 1:25:14.400 --> 1:25:16.080 see those, and so you're starting to see I think 1:25:16.080 --> 1:25:18.360 you're gonna see more materials with a lot of material 1:25:18.439 --> 1:25:22.720 technology and composite technology, different things. I think actually, because 1:25:22.760 --> 1:25:25.800 I think the fiarms industry is really slow. I mean 1:25:26.160 --> 1:25:29.680 you start you look at the technology in a firearm 1:25:29.960 --> 1:25:31.880 or you know, like I always used the example of 1:25:31.920 --> 1:25:33.760 a nineteen eleven pistol, it's like a half a million 1:25:33.800 --> 1:25:35.599 of made a year. It's a hundred and eight year 1:25:35.640 --> 1:25:38.879 old design. Our flagship product was designed by an engineer 1:25:38.920 --> 1:25:41.640 in the fifties. Like we hadn't even been on the moon. Like, 1:25:41.720 --> 1:25:43.160 you start to look at this, it's like a lot 1:25:43.160 --> 1:25:46.040 of I mean, you're talking a cartridge. How long has 1:25:46.080 --> 1:25:47.519 it been around? You got a chunk of brass, You 1:25:47.520 --> 1:25:49.400 put a little detonator thing in the back called a primary, 1:25:49.400 --> 1:25:51.160 You filled with some powder and you stick some copper 1:25:51.200 --> 1:25:52.640 and lead in the end of it. It's been that 1:25:52.680 --> 1:25:55.200 way since before we are all born. You look at 1:25:55.680 --> 1:25:58.080 you know, smartphones and vehicles and so many different things, 1:25:58.320 --> 1:26:01.160 this podcast, this whole internet thing like none and this 1:26:01.280 --> 1:26:07.400 is the same through age, through the Internet age. The fundamentals, 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:10.840 the fundamentals are just yeah, the same. I think there's 1:26:10.880 --> 1:26:12.439 a lot of room, and I think in the next 1:26:12.520 --> 1:26:16.760 decade we're gonna see a lot um We hired. We 1:26:16.840 --> 1:26:20.720 hired a guy from aerospace uh that actually for two 1:26:20.840 --> 1:26:24.639 years did a rocket scientists. We did literally got an 1:26:24.640 --> 1:26:28.200 engineer that built a spacecraft that went to Mars. But 1:26:28.520 --> 1:26:30.800 he comes in and he looks at our industry and 1:26:30.840 --> 1:26:33.639 he just like left. He's like, like guns are funny, 1:26:33.760 --> 1:26:36.719 Let's build real cool style and so he's taking though, 1:26:36.720 --> 1:26:39.040 and I think bringing those outside things in rather than 1:26:39.120 --> 1:26:40.840 us that grew up with insights like it's gotta be 1:26:40.880 --> 1:26:42.800 this way, you gotta bolt act, just gotta upright, just 1:26:42.840 --> 1:26:46.639 this way. Bringing in those outside folks um are really 1:26:46.640 --> 1:26:48.519 going to help it as well as more folks. More 1:26:48.520 --> 1:26:50.920 people in the industry makes a competitive's very competitive right now. 1:26:51.320 --> 1:26:54.360 Markets not great. That drives people towards innovation. So I 1:26:54.400 --> 1:26:56.400 think there's actually gonna be a lot. To answer your questions, 1:26:56.400 --> 1:26:57.600 s Bencer, I think there's gonna be a lot of 1:26:57.600 --> 1:27:01.559 innovation the next decade. It's far from peaking. Yeah, there's 1:27:01.600 --> 1:27:05.200 guys starting to make polymer cases instead of brass like 1:27:05.280 --> 1:27:08.720 there's I mean, you look at the technology in in 1:27:08.960 --> 1:27:11.160 you know, the polymer type of stuff in plastics and 1:27:11.200 --> 1:27:14.000 the you know, the chemistry and all those things. I think, uh, 1:27:14.040 --> 1:27:17.880 you know, from stocks to recoil reduction. Optics is starting 1:27:17.880 --> 1:27:20.519 to see a lot more electronics in there. And you 1:27:20.560 --> 1:27:22.960 know you I mean just even your your range finding 1:27:23.000 --> 1:27:25.479 stuff to your ballistics of how you run that and 1:27:25.560 --> 1:27:28.360 your apps on your phones. I think ten years from 1:27:28.360 --> 1:27:30.080 now it's going to be quite a bit different. So 1:27:30.080 --> 1:27:32.600 I should hold off, like a decade before buying with 1:27:32.720 --> 1:27:39.200 that said Gunna, I think that's one of the things 1:27:39.200 --> 1:27:44.599 that becomes the slow movement is you know, I mean 1:27:45.640 --> 1:27:48.880 hunters are like you know, I mean, I know there's 1:27:48.880 --> 1:27:50.519 a lot of people buy guns, aren't hunters, Right, the 1:27:50.800 --> 1:27:52.759 most guns are not bought by hunters, are brought by shooters. 1:27:52.840 --> 1:27:55.200 But you guys have said you always had a strong 1:27:55.240 --> 1:27:59.760 hunting focus. Um, hunters are like kind of anachronistic. You're like, 1:28:00.120 --> 1:28:04.439 it's a traditional m you know, there's there's there's a 1:28:04.439 --> 1:28:06.840 lot of people that you're not ignoring technology, but there 1:28:06.960 --> 1:28:11.760 is a strong tradition component. And you even mentioned, uh, 1:28:12.040 --> 1:28:16.519 you value the fact that your business is a family business. 1:28:17.000 --> 1:28:20.479 You value that your grandfather was involved. You were talking 1:28:20.479 --> 1:28:24.360 about like a gun that you can hand down. Right, 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:28.840 There's all these these themes come up of some kind 1:28:28.840 --> 1:28:34.000 of you know, legacy attributes, right, and some people not 1:28:34.080 --> 1:28:36.639 a lot of left like that in this world. No, 1:28:36.640 --> 1:28:39.000 no one's like the thing about this phone, man, is 1:28:39.040 --> 1:28:42.000 when I give this phone to my grandson, he makes 1:28:42.360 --> 1:28:47.559 and he makes a call on it, like no one right, No, 1:28:47.680 --> 1:28:49.640 there is and I mean honeying out its roots is 1:28:49.680 --> 1:28:54.640 a very relational. Yeah, it's relational with people. But and 1:28:54.760 --> 1:28:57.360 so usually your technology kind of goes away and you 1:28:57.439 --> 1:29:00.559 get in the outdoors to escape technology these days, right, 1:29:00.600 --> 1:29:02.799 So there is part of that as well as hunting 1:29:02.840 --> 1:29:05.439 itself and the taking of game and harvesting of an 1:29:05.479 --> 1:29:09.840 animal and cooking. It is a very old human tradition, 1:29:10.160 --> 1:29:12.759 like so just the roots of doing that and getting 1:29:12.760 --> 1:29:16.519 your hands messy, like it's a very just old thing. 1:29:16.560 --> 1:29:18.080 And I think there's part of us as humans that 1:29:18.120 --> 1:29:19.599 want to get back to our roots a little bit 1:29:19.640 --> 1:29:21.479 that way. You know. I was down in Florida messing 1:29:21.560 --> 1:29:23.280 around with some guys one time and they had one 1:29:23.320 --> 1:29:25.680 of these, uh, one of those rifles where you have 1:29:25.720 --> 1:29:28.960 a laptop set up and the laptops actually tied into 1:29:28.960 --> 1:29:33.479 the rifling, don't tom And I even just watching it 1:29:33.520 --> 1:29:37.439 made me feel dirty. I feel like I feel like 1:29:38.200 --> 1:29:40.559 some hustler magazines in a ditch when we were kids. 1:29:40.600 --> 1:29:43.000 Man's just like watch. I was like, God, I don't know, 1:29:43.320 --> 1:29:46.160 we're getting real uneasy feeling like I wanted to turn 1:29:46.200 --> 1:29:48.320 and look the other way. Like something about it just 1:29:48.360 --> 1:29:50.880 made me unto Yeah. I was like, man, I don't know, dude, 1:29:50.960 --> 1:29:54.240 laptops should we be plugging those into our guns. Now 1:29:54.600 --> 1:29:56.720 it feels like, no, it is. I mean we do 1:29:56.800 --> 1:29:59.000 that in our testing, Like we have an underground range, 1:29:59.000 --> 1:30:03.040 so we're testing as a company trying to put good, safe, reliable, accurate, 1:30:03.080 --> 1:30:05.559 you know, fast shooting stuff. So we need to have 1:30:05.680 --> 1:30:08.599 that type of stuff. Um for a consumer. It is true, 1:30:08.640 --> 1:30:10.400 and I had that scene. There's some people who run 1:30:10.439 --> 1:30:13.600 to it very enthusiastically. But I'm saying with me, you know, 1:30:13.840 --> 1:30:15.519 it's just it's a it's not I'm not it's not 1:30:15.520 --> 1:30:18.240 even a condemnation of the thing. But it's like me personally, 1:30:18.320 --> 1:30:21.519 I see it and I don't I'm more and I know, 1:30:21.680 --> 1:30:24.479 CAW's this way. Uh, when I see stuff like that, 1:30:24.600 --> 1:30:27.120 I'm more. I don't like lean into it. I'm more 1:30:27.200 --> 1:30:29.600 kind of lean away from it a little bit. But 1:30:29.680 --> 1:30:33.640 I I mean, I laser range finder. I think, and 1:30:33.680 --> 1:30:37.479 I think there's certain things. One thing that I'm passionate 1:30:37.520 --> 1:30:41.720 about is hunters, is hunters and conservation and getting people outdoors. 1:30:42.320 --> 1:30:44.519 Is we do need to stay as united as possible. 1:30:44.520 --> 1:30:46.320 And there are people that are going to be like 1:30:46.640 --> 1:30:48.840 say anti technology and those type of things, or some 1:30:48.840 --> 1:30:51.200 people are gonna gravitate towards it or away from it, 1:30:51.760 --> 1:30:55.640 if it's legal, if it's ethical, if it's good for 1:30:55.680 --> 1:30:57.800 the wildlife, the conservation they have to that's all those 1:30:57.800 --> 1:30:59.720 things line up. Then, like I think we need to 1:30:59.760 --> 1:31:01.840 be able. Gig on you can use that piece. That's 1:31:01.840 --> 1:31:06.000 cool for you. But like even the long range hunting conversation, 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:08.320 I get asked a question all the time, right, and 1:31:08.360 --> 1:31:10.200 how far is too far? And all those different things 1:31:10.280 --> 1:31:14.120 of like what that is? But technologies come aways and 1:31:14.160 --> 1:31:16.720 it's like, so what is their magical number? Is it 1:31:16.880 --> 1:31:21.360 four hundred? Is it nine? Is it? That's not the answer, right, 1:31:21.400 --> 1:31:23.360 But people are looking for that to go. Where is 1:31:23.360 --> 1:31:25.160 that ethical? And there's so many things like people want 1:31:25.200 --> 1:31:28.479 to apply a number to it real bad all the time. 1:31:28.920 --> 1:31:30.920 And there's people that I know they can shoot at 1:31:30.840 --> 1:31:32.160 a henry yard is better and a lot of people 1:31:32.160 --> 1:31:38.320 can shoot three hundred yards. I'm like, for you, from 1:31:38.320 --> 1:31:42.640 what I've seen exactly, it depends on their equipment, it 1:31:42.680 --> 1:31:45.120 depends on the person. So I think in general, I 1:31:45.120 --> 1:31:47.599 don't know. I think I definitely don't want to come 1:31:47.640 --> 1:31:49.600 against like you said, Hey, that's not for me, you know, 1:31:49.680 --> 1:31:52.600 like I'm not. It feels weird, feels dirty, But you 1:31:52.640 --> 1:31:55.720 know Shane Mahoney, You ever hear him? Yeah, I had 1:31:55.720 --> 1:31:58.080 dinner with him one time not long ago, This first 1:31:58.080 --> 1:32:00.360 time I ever hung out with him. He was talking 1:32:00.360 --> 1:32:04.439 about the technology question, and um, he's talking about like 1:32:04.680 --> 1:32:08.000 future generations or people who grew up in the outdoors 1:32:08.040 --> 1:32:09.920 wanting to engage their kids in it and get their 1:32:10.000 --> 1:32:14.680 kids excited. And he feels it all this this language. 1:32:15.200 --> 1:32:17.200 I'm a little bit I hope he doesn't hear this 1:32:17.240 --> 1:32:19.519 and feel like I'm misrepresenting his perspective. I think I'm 1:32:19.560 --> 1:32:23.160 getting it, is that all of this sort of this 1:32:23.360 --> 1:32:30.240 anti technology rhetoric about needing to get kids away from technology. 1:32:30.640 --> 1:32:35.720 He feels like, you're you're setting up an unnecessary obstacle 1:32:36.840 --> 1:32:39.679 for yourself in having your kids involved, where you're putting 1:32:39.720 --> 1:32:42.200 them in this situation where they have to either It's 1:32:42.240 --> 1:32:44.759 like I'm making it be that you have to choose tech, 1:32:45.160 --> 1:32:47.880 which is where all of American society is pushing you, 1:32:48.439 --> 1:32:52.439 or you have to choose my thing, which is non tech. 1:32:52.800 --> 1:32:55.559 And he feels that that if that's the game we're 1:32:55.560 --> 1:32:58.760 gonna play and how we're gonna frame this conversation up 1:32:58.760 --> 1:33:04.320 and position this, you will lose that that it's accepting 1:33:04.360 --> 1:33:08.920 that you can love nature and want to engage with 1:33:09.000 --> 1:33:12.360 nature and want to be outside, and that doesn't mean 1:33:12.520 --> 1:33:16.040 that you have to, you know, shove all these other 1:33:16.160 --> 1:33:19.120 interests of years away, and that there is room to 1:33:19.280 --> 1:33:23.320 have these two worlds come together in some way that 1:33:23.840 --> 1:33:26.800 it's like, is it increasing? Now? I'm getting beyond what 1:33:26.840 --> 1:33:29.360 he said about the sexscrap plating from his perspective, is like, 1:33:30.080 --> 1:33:34.519 is it like? Is it increasing? Is some better than none? 1:33:35.040 --> 1:33:38.040 Would be one way of putting it right. And so 1:33:38.600 --> 1:33:40.400 it's the thing like I think of thet all the time, 1:33:40.439 --> 1:33:42.040 like if I take my kids out, if I take 1:33:42.080 --> 1:33:44.080 them out jig and halibut, which on a bad day 1:33:44.280 --> 1:33:46.080 is one of the worst things that a person could 1:33:46.120 --> 1:33:47.760 ever do, is jig halibut on a day when no 1:33:47.760 --> 1:33:50.599 one hooks a halibit. So if they're with me out 1:33:50.600 --> 1:33:53.960 in a boat, suffering in all the ways that I 1:33:53.960 --> 1:33:56.680 want them to suffer, and they get bored and pick 1:33:56.760 --> 1:34:01.680 up a kindle and play a game, should I now 1:34:01.760 --> 1:34:05.120 act like somehow this has all been a failure. There's 1:34:05.160 --> 1:34:07.519 still about a damn boat suffering. They don't want to 1:34:07.520 --> 1:34:09.640 be here. I'm making them be here. They're still in 1:34:09.680 --> 1:34:12.240 it and seeing it and around it. So is it 1:34:12.360 --> 1:34:15.439 that bad? Right? It's like I always look at that 1:34:15.920 --> 1:34:17.800 question and I kind of like, on one hand, I 1:34:17.840 --> 1:34:19.400 hate to see like I'm like, oh, man, why do 1:34:19.439 --> 1:34:24.360 you guya do that? Well, you've been out here six hours? Yeah, 1:34:24.400 --> 1:34:25.880 we ran out of it. We ran out of ten 1:34:26.160 --> 1:34:28.840 pops two hours ago. Man, So I'm like, I guess 1:34:28.880 --> 1:34:31.400 it's still okay, Like do this and and it'll be 1:34:31.479 --> 1:34:34.120 you know, well, we'll integrate. Well, integrate. I'm not going 1:34:34.160 --> 1:34:35.760 to create a dichotomy if you have a lot of 1:34:35.760 --> 1:34:38.519 people that are though, yeah, and like even like so 1:34:38.560 --> 1:34:41.760 I use a garment in reach right for being able 1:34:41.800 --> 1:34:43.639 to text BRender of the business when I'm going things 1:34:43.640 --> 1:34:46.360 and people that's horrible. You get outdoors to escape down everything. 1:34:46.360 --> 1:34:49.320 I'm like, yeah, but with my business, I'm out in 1:34:49.320 --> 1:34:51.800 the back country a lot, just testing product or with 1:34:51.840 --> 1:34:55.120 media or different things, and I need to do that 1:34:55.160 --> 1:34:57.360 to continue to run my business. Check in with my family, 1:34:57.400 --> 1:34:59.360 make sure okay, so I check in, it doesn't ruin 1:34:59.400 --> 1:35:01.400 my hunting trip. So if I check my in reach 1:35:01.439 --> 1:35:03.840 for ten minutes a day and then you have those 1:35:03.840 --> 1:35:05.479 people like you gotta get off the grid. I'm like, Wen, 1:35:05.520 --> 1:35:07.160 I wouldn't be able to go hunting as much because 1:35:07.160 --> 1:35:08.680 I got a business to write. You see this thing, 1:35:08.760 --> 1:35:10.840 this allows me to be out hunting. Yeah, you know what, Yeah, 1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:12.559 you know why I'm here. I'm here because I'm trying 1:35:12.600 --> 1:35:14.680 to run this business. And so you have to like 1:35:15.240 --> 1:35:18.000 you know where people people are just anti that too, 1:35:18.200 --> 1:35:21.480 you know, kept your communication. Well he's drawn for fourteen 1:35:21.560 --> 1:35:24.320 days and he never calls me, then he's not gonna 1:35:24.320 --> 1:35:31.120 be gone fourteen days. Question questions, Questions arise. Yes, things 1:35:31.160 --> 1:35:35.479 that one needs feedback on come up during those time periods. 1:35:35.520 --> 1:35:41.960 So what you like Wyoming? Awesome? Guess putting in for 1:35:42.000 --> 1:35:47.479 some tags and whatnot? No, No, we yeah, they take 1:35:47.520 --> 1:35:51.200 their residency real serious there twelve months. No, what we've 1:35:51.240 --> 1:35:55.439 been there for nine months. You have to be there's 1:35:55.439 --> 1:35:59.000 twelve months a while the day you can't put into 1:35:59.040 --> 1:36:03.240 the day you can't apply for tax. Yeah, four limited quota. 1:36:03.439 --> 1:36:05.599 So in other words, by the time those hunting season 1:36:05.680 --> 1:36:07.439 rolls around, I have been i'd have lived in the 1:36:07.479 --> 1:36:10.720 state of Wyoming for sixteen months. I'll hunt as a 1:36:10.760 --> 1:36:14.040 resident with general tax, but I cannot apply for limited 1:36:14.080 --> 1:36:16.080 quota in May because I moved here in Gym. I'm 1:36:16.120 --> 1:36:18.599 with you at the time of application to be illegal roast. 1:36:18.680 --> 1:36:20.519 That's correct, And I asked the director of fishing game 1:36:20.560 --> 1:36:23.160 for the state just to make sure. I don't think 1:36:23.200 --> 1:36:25.880 that's all. We're going to have fun to months is 1:36:25.880 --> 1:36:28.200 a long time, but I don't think that's like too much. 1:36:29.360 --> 1:36:34.040 It's I think more than that. I think there's the 1:36:34.080 --> 1:36:36.840 last dates that runs six months. Yeah, Montana six, isn't it. 1:36:38.600 --> 1:36:42.000 Alaska's at six or twelve. I feel like everything six 1:36:42.160 --> 1:36:43.880 were like five years. No, I'm just kidding it because 1:36:43.880 --> 1:36:47.519 we're But here's the thing, there's so much amazing general season. 1:36:47.560 --> 1:36:49.479 How you we'll be able to do this fall anyways? Man, 1:36:49.520 --> 1:36:51.840 I like those states that take it real serious though. Man, 1:36:52.560 --> 1:36:56.040 I like those states that guard the resource real jealously. 1:36:57.160 --> 1:36:59.600 Like they take it seriously. It's true, you know, and 1:36:59.640 --> 1:37:01.000 it's like they're kind of you get the sense to 1:37:02.040 --> 1:37:06.160 resident privilege and you've got to earn your privilege. Yeah, 1:37:07.360 --> 1:37:09.400 and there's a lot there's a fair all these all 1:37:09.479 --> 1:37:12.719 the destination states deal with quite a bit of fraud, 1:37:14.200 --> 1:37:18.519 people trying to get residency and getting buying resident, which 1:37:18.560 --> 1:37:20.679 is like, which is a really stupid way to save 1:37:20.720 --> 1:37:23.599 a few hundred bucks. But people do it and buy 1:37:24.800 --> 1:37:27.120 you know, people buy a vacation home in the state 1:37:27.240 --> 1:37:29.240 just to be able to buy resident tags in the state. 1:37:29.360 --> 1:37:30.840 You hear all this kind of stuff all the time, 1:37:30.960 --> 1:37:37.080 especially like in Alaska because I recently moved states. Um, 1:37:37.120 --> 1:37:39.960 and when it came time to do it, like I 1:37:40.040 --> 1:37:44.040 went down with all my stuff. I'm like, here's all 1:37:44.040 --> 1:37:48.799 my stuff. You tell me, am I cool or not cool? 1:37:49.320 --> 1:37:51.760 You know? Game of Fish? I mean yeah, I mean 1:37:51.760 --> 1:37:54.519 like because there's all these there's all these things about 1:37:54.560 --> 1:37:57.320 how how the state defines residency. So just wanting to 1:37:57.360 --> 1:37:59.320 be not I didn't want to be in a situation 1:37:59.400 --> 1:38:02.600 where I was viewing it one way and would an 1:38:02.640 --> 1:38:05.600 encounter award and who viewed it another way? Right, and 1:38:05.640 --> 1:38:09.760 then then the media to follow. Yeah, sure, there's no 1:38:09.840 --> 1:38:14.840 better story. If there's one story Americans like, it's a 1:38:14.880 --> 1:38:18.600 person with a hunting show getting in trouble with the 1:38:18.680 --> 1:38:23.400 law with regards to hunting rules. That story people were 1:38:23.439 --> 1:38:26.680 somebody running a gun company to be a pretty good 1:38:26.439 --> 1:38:33.600 would like that story. Uh, what's in the future, Like, um, 1:38:33.640 --> 1:38:35.320 you know, who's gonna do you do you have you 1:38:35.479 --> 1:38:37.240 do you have an air. Do you have an air 1:38:37.400 --> 1:38:39.880 who's interested in the business. You know, we don't know. 1:38:39.960 --> 1:38:42.200 We don't want to, just like my dad didn't push 1:38:42.200 --> 1:38:45.040 it on me, and you know, we we're just taking 1:38:45.080 --> 1:38:47.479 in a day at a time and don't bring it up. Well, 1:38:47.560 --> 1:38:49.080 we talked about things, you know, as a family and 1:38:49.080 --> 1:38:51.120 all that kind of stuff. But any when I was 1:38:51.160 --> 1:38:52.840 in high school, I was thinking all lots of things. 1:38:53.240 --> 1:38:55.400 So you know, we let them think about that. But 1:38:55.439 --> 1:38:57.880 I think you don't tell your daughter there's one path 1:38:58.040 --> 1:39:01.760 in this world for you. We don't. That's weather No, 1:39:01.880 --> 1:39:04.439 that doesn't wake out so well. Actually, about a month ago, 1:39:04.560 --> 1:39:07.040 she was at the office because she came over to 1:39:07.080 --> 1:39:09.040 the homework while we were ready to go home. And 1:39:09.080 --> 1:39:11.360 then on the way home, yeah, she was just doing 1:39:11.400 --> 1:39:14.600 homework and anyways, um, we drive home and on the 1:39:14.640 --> 1:39:17.880 way home, she goes, Man, I thought, I don't want 1:39:17.880 --> 1:39:21.240 to work at weather be but Dad's job looks really stressful. 1:39:21.600 --> 1:39:24.080 I don't know if I want to do that work 1:39:24.640 --> 1:39:28.519 back to back calls as well. She's here and this 1:39:28.600 --> 1:39:30.880 is just part of you need to play it out 1:39:30.920 --> 1:39:33.000 better when when she comes down, you're just doing like 1:39:33.080 --> 1:39:36.800 totally fun stuff, right, Exactly what it's like I'm just 1:39:36.840 --> 1:39:39.920 playing with the pinata in my office stuff too, But 1:39:41.520 --> 1:39:45.360 work has work though X amount of pages of the 1:39:45.439 --> 1:39:50.240 employee handbook before they go bad. Stuff like that. But 1:39:50.280 --> 1:39:52.880 if you had to guess, if you had to guess, 1:39:52.960 --> 1:39:55.960 what do you think one of your I don't know. 1:39:56.000 --> 1:39:58.360 I don't want to because I don't want I don't 1:39:58.400 --> 1:40:00.439 want to take I want them to do. They got 1:40:00.439 --> 1:40:02.960 to make their own path exactly. So I wouldn't want 1:40:02.960 --> 1:40:05.760 anything that we do to help determine that, because I 1:40:05.760 --> 1:40:07.679 wouldn't have wanted that on me. My dad was really 1:40:07.720 --> 1:40:11.320 cool about that, where my grandpa was a stronger personality 1:40:11.320 --> 1:40:14.080 that first generation entrepreneur. He's the one who started it. 1:40:14.720 --> 1:40:17.120 And so like my grandpa was just you know, die 1:40:17.160 --> 1:40:20.000 hard the business, which is awesome, that's why we're here today. 1:40:20.439 --> 1:40:23.160 But my dad a huge family guy and just really 1:40:23.640 --> 1:40:25.439 you know, I think the pendulum swung a little bit. 1:40:25.479 --> 1:40:27.880 So he's like, you know, with us, it's like, hey, 1:40:27.880 --> 1:40:30.080 it's a business, and it's a blessing, it's an opportunity, 1:40:30.080 --> 1:40:32.559 it's a legacy brand and all those things, but like, hey, 1:40:32.640 --> 1:40:33.840 you've got one life and I'm not gonna tell you 1:40:33.840 --> 1:40:36.880 how to live it's a good perspective. Yeah. People would 1:40:36.920 --> 1:40:38.320 like to ask me, like, what are you gonna do 1:40:38.360 --> 1:40:39.880 if your kids don't like the hunt as much as 1:40:39.920 --> 1:40:45.280 you do? Yeah, I always telling most people don't. Yep, right, 1:40:45.520 --> 1:40:48.600 it's true. And that's the thing, like, you know, we 1:40:48.760 --> 1:40:51.439 just yeah, I think it's important as parents. I mean, 1:40:51.479 --> 1:40:53.280 we certainly don't want to want a parent that way. 1:40:53.360 --> 1:40:55.120 You know. Just same thing with you. I mean you 1:40:55.160 --> 1:40:57.760 have we're leading to business. It's fairly well known and 1:40:57.960 --> 1:40:59.800 you're doing the same and it's like, at the same time, 1:41:00.439 --> 1:41:03.599 I want him to be Connor and Dana who they are. 1:41:04.000 --> 1:41:05.559 Right now, my eight year old thinks he wants to 1:41:05.560 --> 1:41:09.160 work here. Yeah, six year old wants to work at 1:41:09.439 --> 1:41:12.400 her on her aunt's ranch. She's got her mind made 1:41:12.439 --> 1:41:16.479 up about that. Can you can you plug something? Can 1:41:16.520 --> 1:41:18.840 you leak any like cool things? Or don't you want 1:41:18.840 --> 1:41:22.439 to plug anything? Yeah? I mean just last week we 1:41:23.000 --> 1:41:25.880 launched the new shotguns. We're excited about that and it 1:41:26.000 --> 1:41:30.040 was unpackaged on social media their meat Eater, pretty good 1:41:30.240 --> 1:41:32.040 unpackaging of the product. You know. I had a good 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:35.840 laugh about what like there's a thing when you touch 1:41:36.280 --> 1:41:39.679 like I like a lot is there's when you touch 1:41:39.760 --> 1:41:44.200 the stock. It's got a nice grippy but not too grippy. 1:41:44.920 --> 1:41:48.000 And your honest used the word tacky and someone's like, well, 1:41:48.040 --> 1:41:50.280 tacky has a negative connotation. I'm like, I don't think 1:41:50.280 --> 1:41:55.960 in Janice's life he's ever declared something tacky in the 1:41:56.080 --> 1:42:00.960 negative way, like someone but not something. When he says tag, 1:42:01.120 --> 1:42:03.479 it means it's the it's got the life, but not 1:42:03.560 --> 1:42:07.720 too much, because sometimes people will do that and it 1:42:07.760 --> 1:42:12.759 gets like um sticky, or it doesn't like it doesn't move. 1:42:14.000 --> 1:42:16.160 I mean like when you wanted to slide through your hand, 1:42:16.200 --> 1:42:17.800 it won't. That's what I'm trying to say, Like it 1:42:17.880 --> 1:42:20.320 like it winds up feeling like when you when you move, 1:42:20.520 --> 1:42:24.200 it kind of brings your skin, what about your help 1:42:24.200 --> 1:42:27.000 me out here, like like your skin grabs it and 1:42:27.000 --> 1:42:29.400 twists and stuff. But this is like grippy but not 1:42:29.880 --> 1:42:32.600 not too crippy sticky. Right, you hit the right you 1:42:32.720 --> 1:42:35.400 really and it's I don't know if it's something grippy tackiness. 1:42:35.439 --> 1:42:37.360 I don't know if you guys focus on it, but 1:42:37.439 --> 1:42:39.880 you hit you really hit the right tackiness. I'm sure 1:42:39.920 --> 1:42:44.519 someone thought about you'll get accidental tacky. It is I mean, 1:42:45.240 --> 1:42:47.880 how a gun looks is really important. Typically people purchase 1:42:47.920 --> 1:42:51.639 a firearm without firing it, so you have to sell 1:42:51.680 --> 1:42:53.920 it on other things. So you go to a gun store, 1:42:53.960 --> 1:42:56.040 like we always laugh at the bolt action rifle first 1:42:56.040 --> 1:42:59.160 thing everybody does, and we'll be a gun shows and 1:42:59.160 --> 1:43:01.760 these are good, you know, buyers for big customers are 1:43:01.800 --> 1:43:03.200 these things as soon as you hand it to them. 1:43:03.200 --> 1:43:05.280 When they do and they examine every time cycled up, 1:43:05.479 --> 1:43:07.400 they pull it back and they kind of do that 1:43:07.439 --> 1:43:09.360 a few times. And then you give him another model 1:43:09.360 --> 1:43:11.320 with a different colored stock. They do the same thing. 1:43:11.439 --> 1:43:13.679 It's the same darn action. And you give them five 1:43:13.680 --> 1:43:16.080 guns and they gotta cycle it. It's just different colors, right, 1:43:16.320 --> 1:43:19.639 And so you tend to there's something about it ergonomically though, 1:43:19.800 --> 1:43:22.080 with a firearm, of how it makes you, how how 1:43:22.080 --> 1:43:24.040 it feels. It's how it looks first on the gun shelf, 1:43:24.040 --> 1:43:26.400 and it's second how it feels to the touch, and 1:43:26.439 --> 1:43:28.479 so I think it is important. And then obviously when 1:43:28.479 --> 1:43:31.400 you hunt, but rarely do you ever hunt or shoot 1:43:31.439 --> 1:43:33.680 a product before buying it. Most of the time it's 1:43:33.720 --> 1:43:35.400 just how it feels in your hands. That's a really 1:43:35.400 --> 1:43:37.720 good point. Yeah, I never thought of that man like 1:43:38.240 --> 1:43:45.720 that it's supposed to dock it. You can go down 1:43:45.760 --> 1:43:48.240 and drive a truck usually and get a test drive, 1:43:48.560 --> 1:43:50.000 and there are a few places you can do that. 1:43:51.360 --> 1:43:53.800 Percent of the time there aren't ranges right there for 1:43:53.840 --> 1:43:55.720 you to use. I mean there are those type of things. 1:43:55.760 --> 1:43:58.960 Most time there's not, so yeah, I realized that's true, 1:43:58.960 --> 1:44:01.200 but I never really thought about it. Yeah, a lot 1:44:01.240 --> 1:44:03.000 of times. I mean, you're a bolt action kind of 1:44:03.040 --> 1:44:05.200 won't even have a scope on it, so you're just 1:44:05.240 --> 1:44:07.599 throwing it up and sort of pretending that you're looking 1:44:07.680 --> 1:44:09.960 through the scope. We were looking. We used to have 1:44:10.000 --> 1:44:14.960 a copy of an AD because a Walmart AD. Oh yeah, 1:44:15.000 --> 1:44:17.760 I can't remember picture. It was like it wasn't I 1:44:17.800 --> 1:44:20.960 can't remember that. It's not important. Somebody messed up in 1:44:21.080 --> 1:44:23.320 marketing store and they had an add and it was 1:44:23.360 --> 1:44:25.280 like getting geared up for deer season. But they had 1:44:25.320 --> 1:44:28.320 a dude with a you know, he's holding a rifle 1:44:28.439 --> 1:44:31.280 up in his tree stand. Well not even iron sights. 1:44:31.320 --> 1:44:40.760 It was like he was just like good outside marketing firm. 1:44:40.880 --> 1:44:43.200 It was like when you see those The other thing 1:44:43.200 --> 1:44:45.240 that happens all the time is you're looking at something 1:44:45.280 --> 1:44:47.840 where someone's trying to sell lawn chairs or something. It's 1:44:47.880 --> 1:44:50.439 like the fishing scene and the dude has the open 1:44:50.439 --> 1:44:54.080 face reel that's up and you realize that the art 1:44:54.120 --> 1:44:59.840 director is in over the waiters when they designed that's cute, 1:45:00.040 --> 1:45:02.280 Like why do you guys name the new Shock? And 1:45:02.280 --> 1:45:03.720 what you name? I don't have a problem with the no? 1:45:03.720 --> 1:45:06.720 Oh no, you know it's funny because naming meetings are 1:45:06.720 --> 1:45:08.559 always the hardest when you designed a product, you design 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:11.240 a whole product, and you get to the end and 1:45:11.880 --> 1:45:14.679 either all the names have been taken in a billion 1:45:14.680 --> 1:45:20.760 different industries, right and uh, And then what's funny is 1:45:21.240 --> 1:45:24.519 even in the in the firearms world, like how many 1:45:24.920 --> 1:45:28.120 in eight seventy from Tonight seventy or a model Winchester 1:45:28.240 --> 1:45:31.320 Model seventy in nineteen eleven, just a bunch of like 1:45:32.080 --> 1:45:33.920 numbers and letters and you try to come up with 1:45:33.960 --> 1:45:37.960 something cool that's you know, I don't know whatever named 1:45:37.960 --> 1:45:40.040 after something. And our names are always all over the place. 1:45:40.040 --> 1:45:42.840 It's always something like you try to like do um 1:45:42.920 --> 1:45:44.800 and sometimes it does tell a story though. So we 1:45:44.840 --> 1:45:47.120 had like a semi auto that came out in two 1:45:47.120 --> 1:45:50.439 thousand eight. It was the S A O. Eight. Okay um, 1:45:50.479 --> 1:45:52.280 we had the p A oh eight. This is the 1:45:52.320 --> 1:45:55.200 E ten I developed in in eighteen. We launched it 1:45:55.240 --> 1:45:57.920 in nineteen UM at the time we named it. We're 1:45:57.920 --> 1:46:01.800 hoping to launch in inertia because it's an inertia driven 1:46:02.120 --> 1:46:05.040 uh so instead of our other semiautos are a gas 1:46:05.120 --> 1:46:08.759 driven where the gases in there are actually what cycle 1:46:08.840 --> 1:46:10.760 the shotgun if you're not familiar with it, inertia is 1:46:10.800 --> 1:46:14.320 actually the recoil that cycles that semi auto and so 1:46:14.400 --> 1:46:17.080 that inertia system. So it's the A teen I developed 1:46:17.080 --> 1:46:19.760 in two thousand eighteen inertia system. So that's one thing 1:46:19.760 --> 1:46:24.280 we notice. If you take it and gently tap it correct, 1:46:25.040 --> 1:46:27.680 that's right, the bolt will kind of go. And that's 1:46:27.720 --> 1:46:29.920 why it's so much easier to like bring a bolt 1:46:29.920 --> 1:46:32.840 back in an inertia semiato than in a gas semiauto 1:46:33.600 --> 1:46:36.360 because it's made to come back easy and cycle that way. 1:46:36.360 --> 1:46:39.439 And it's the recoil um that actually, you know, causes 1:46:39.479 --> 1:46:42.120 it to cycle once you shoot in inertia semiato. For 1:46:42.200 --> 1:46:44.400 me a couple years ago, I switched over from a 1:46:44.439 --> 1:46:48.720 gas one and it's just it's just smooth, light feeling. Um. Well, 1:46:48.720 --> 1:46:51.800 that thing ergonomically. I think it's nice. Man. Yeah. Yeah, 1:46:51.880 --> 1:46:54.519 you guys got one of the black synthetic ones. Yeah, 1:46:54.600 --> 1:47:02.840 and then my cheek uh with three and a half inch. No, no, 1:47:02.880 --> 1:47:04.960 I was just shooting two and three quarters, but I was. 1:47:05.120 --> 1:47:08.679 I got through them quick. No no, no, no, only 1:47:08.720 --> 1:47:11.840 one turkey round. I was just shooting field rounds just 1:47:11.880 --> 1:47:14.120 to get it dirty, you know. Perfect. Yeah, and we 1:47:14.160 --> 1:47:16.439 got got a cameo one of that, and then we 1:47:16.520 --> 1:47:19.160 got a sweet Wood one that I really like that 1:47:19.280 --> 1:47:21.720 cal you shot right the Wood one with It's got 1:47:21.760 --> 1:47:24.439 a silver receiver with some kind of hand engraving and stuff, 1:47:24.479 --> 1:47:29.280 and it's it's pretty cool. So that that was Uplands specific, right, Yeah, 1:47:29.479 --> 1:47:31.320 it's not chambered for three and a half inch for 1:47:31.360 --> 1:47:34.960 the big waterfelt kind of guys. So thanks Dan. Yeah. 1:47:35.040 --> 1:47:37.519 So that that just that just launched. Um We're gonna 1:47:37.560 --> 1:47:40.880 launch more rifle stuff, more cartridge stuff later in the year. Um. 1:47:41.000 --> 1:47:44.120 So we have the new the Wyoming commemorative models being 1:47:44.200 --> 1:47:46.439 kind of fun. We just said, let's make a really nice, 1:47:46.479 --> 1:47:48.800 expensive rifle with all sorts of Wyoming stuff on it 1:47:49.600 --> 1:47:54.439 and just make it blink steamboat like the state Symbolman. Yeah, 1:47:54.479 --> 1:47:59.320 the University of Wyoming, like mascot thing that's on there 1:47:59.320 --> 1:48:02.040 in gold So that's we're starting our serial number prefix 1:48:02.120 --> 1:48:05.439 on our market fives with w WISE one and we 1:48:05.560 --> 1:48:11.000 had number eighties seven. Went to a conservation banquet, uh 1:48:11.120 --> 1:48:14.519 wildlife conservation banquet and it went for auction for thirty 1:48:14.520 --> 1:48:17.479 eight grand. Yeah, and it was like sure, number eighties seven. 1:48:18.200 --> 1:48:21.880 So it's like people in Wyoming just love the move. 1:48:21.960 --> 1:48:24.760 We feel just you know, we're sived with Open Arms 1:48:24.760 --> 1:48:28.479 Wyoming Sportsman Group WSG. It's local in northeast Wyoming. They 1:48:28.479 --> 1:48:30.200 do a lot up there locally, all the all the 1:48:30.240 --> 1:48:32.839 funs stay there locally. Are people in Wyoming pretty receptive 1:48:32.880 --> 1:48:36.400 to you guys moving there. Unbelievable. It's so cool, I 1:48:36.439 --> 1:48:38.120 think coming from where we came from, and it's just 1:48:38.840 --> 1:48:43.000 we it's not just shared in community, but Wyoming I mean, uh, 1:48:43.200 --> 1:48:45.320 former Governor Matt Mead was a big part of recruiting us. 1:48:45.360 --> 1:48:51.000 I mean it's the whole. Yeah, just like even outside 1:48:51.000 --> 1:48:52.840 of like an outside of politics, just hanging out of 1:48:52.880 --> 1:48:56.599 them on a turkey with him last year and last year, dude, 1:48:56.600 --> 1:48:58.920 you just feel like it's just a real dude, you know. 1:48:59.640 --> 1:49:02.800 So yeah, so we just we couldn't feel more at home. 1:49:03.200 --> 1:49:05.840 We just and we'll say that all the time, like 1:49:05.880 --> 1:49:08.320 we just there was a lot that went into a 1:49:08.320 --> 1:49:10.799 few years of searching, you know, where to move a 1:49:10.840 --> 1:49:13.400 seventy cent year old business, and we just are like, 1:49:13.560 --> 1:49:16.000 we nailed it in short while. I mean we did, 1:49:16.920 --> 1:49:21.960 didn't we. I Mean it's it's amazing, Like, yeah, yeah, 1:49:22.000 --> 1:49:23.599 it's been a lot of work to get there, but 1:49:23.880 --> 1:49:27.839 we're coming along the finish line here, getting our offices 1:49:27.880 --> 1:49:29.960 moved in its entiring a couple of years, and it's 1:49:30.040 --> 1:49:34.920 just you know, uh, to do that movie manufacturing, lose employees, 1:49:35.080 --> 1:49:38.439 train new ones, built a seventy facility, Like it's just 1:49:39.120 --> 1:49:40.960 it's short term pain for a lot of long term 1:49:40.960 --> 1:49:43.519 gain in the long term gains like gonna start now. 1:49:43.680 --> 1:49:45.479 In the short term pain we're hoping is that need soon. 1:49:45.560 --> 1:49:47.800 It's just a lot. It's a it's a big because 1:49:47.800 --> 1:49:50.240 in the midst of doing all that, like you still 1:49:50.240 --> 1:49:52.200 have to be competitive, you still got a launch new product, 1:49:52.240 --> 1:49:54.240 you still got a market. You still I mean, business 1:49:54.240 --> 1:49:56.360 doesn't stop for two years. So it's in addition to 1:49:56.439 --> 1:49:58.840 kind of the normal everyday thing that's out there. So 1:49:59.280 --> 1:50:03.800 we'd never moved a business and it's hard, but whether 1:50:03.840 --> 1:50:08.280 you can be so much better for it. We're neighbors. Yeah, 1:50:08.400 --> 1:50:10.880 we love it. Man, just right down the road. And 1:50:10.920 --> 1:50:14.240 then people that follow our stuff, um, that follow the 1:50:14.240 --> 1:50:16.760 whole media or universe, you'll be seeing a lot more 1:50:17.680 --> 1:50:21.160 stuff and whether because we're gonna be working pretty closely together, 1:50:21.280 --> 1:50:24.320 which is really exciting for all of us people this 1:50:24.439 --> 1:50:26.680 last week, so we kind of posted we're gonna start 1:50:26.680 --> 1:50:28.479 working with you guys more because people are saying you 1:50:28.520 --> 1:50:32.759 can do a media to rifle already asking about fun stuff. 1:50:33.120 --> 1:50:38.760 So it's gonna shoot lasers, dude, technology, No, No, it's 1:50:38.760 --> 1:50:40.759 gonna look it's gonna use a lot of the old 1:50:40.760 --> 1:50:43.520 old style things. Yeah, we're gonna use really old technology 1:50:43.800 --> 1:50:47.240 just make it look cool. Um, you know it's funny 1:50:47.240 --> 1:50:49.720 you mentioned when you see someone pick it up and 1:50:49.720 --> 1:50:52.000 they worked the bolt. What do you look for, Like, 1:50:52.000 --> 1:50:55.120 when you see someone pick up a rifle, what do 1:50:55.160 --> 1:51:00.720 you what do you want to see them do the trigger? Like? 1:51:00.800 --> 1:51:02.960 What do you see when you're like, he's that's a 1:51:03.000 --> 1:51:08.320 discerning eye. I don't know, I like to like I honestly, 1:51:08.320 --> 1:51:10.880 I've worked the bolt. Yeah, you want to see like 1:51:11.400 --> 1:51:14.880 how how sloppy and weird it is. And then I'm 1:51:14.920 --> 1:51:17.719 interested in the trigger it did. Those are the two things. 1:51:17.840 --> 1:51:20.160 And then a lot of text people will shoulder it 1:51:20.600 --> 1:51:22.160 even if it don nemoscope on it. They want to 1:51:22.200 --> 1:51:24.960 see how it shoulders in that in that balance. Obviously 1:51:25.000 --> 1:51:28.000 was a shotgun particular, but he went the rifle too. 1:51:28.080 --> 1:51:31.760 I think, yeah, people are people are into triggers. Yeah, 1:51:31.800 --> 1:51:33.719 the bold and trigger the only two things that moved 1:51:33.840 --> 1:51:36.360 that you can actually manipulate. Otherwise you just sit there 1:51:36.400 --> 1:51:39.599 and fondle the thing, you know, and see how tack 1:51:39.640 --> 1:51:45.639 you stock is. Yeah. Yeah, another thing with that, having 1:51:45.680 --> 1:51:51.200 the right tack. I think that, uh, the Mark five 1:51:52.360 --> 1:51:55.400 has uh you know, like everybody for a while, everybody 1:51:55.479 --> 1:51:58.880 wants everything so damn light. Yeah, but you don't want 1:51:58.880 --> 1:52:01.000 it to be heavy. By think people like the light 1:52:01.080 --> 1:52:03.240 thing has gotten a little. I know, you probably have 1:52:03.240 --> 1:52:05.439 a lot of customers that really want ultra light ultra light. 1:52:05.760 --> 1:52:09.800 But there's still like there's still there's the carrying it 1:52:09.840 --> 1:52:13.080 and shooting it, and there's a sweet spot, there's an intersection, 1:52:13.720 --> 1:52:17.080 there's where I think it where I think it lands. Well, 1:52:17.360 --> 1:52:19.960 because I've had some I've had I had a customer 1:52:20.040 --> 1:52:22.519 rifle a few years ago that I actually the guy 1:52:22.640 --> 1:52:25.000 made it and I went back to get a heavier 1:52:25.040 --> 1:52:27.280 barrel because it was I felt it was like too 1:52:27.360 --> 1:52:30.200 light when it came to shooting it, Like I shoot 1:52:30.240 --> 1:52:33.040 off my backpack all the time, and when I laid 1:52:33.080 --> 1:52:36.160 that thing in my backpack, it just didn't have that 1:52:36.240 --> 1:52:41.400 like funk, Like it didn't land my pack in the 1:52:41.479 --> 1:52:45.680 way where I felt like it was laying there. It 1:52:45.800 --> 1:52:50.240 just felt too light. Yeah, I love light, chop sticky, 1:52:50.360 --> 1:52:52.760 I love light, but I agree, but it's the difference. See, 1:52:52.760 --> 1:52:55.000 if I hunt, I don't mind that because I pulled 1:52:55.000 --> 1:52:58.920 the trigger hopefully once, sometimes a little bit more, but 1:52:59.600 --> 1:53:02.439 hopefully he once. But I carried around for hours upon 1:53:02.439 --> 1:53:07.200 hours upon hours. I don't know, because I I think 1:53:07.240 --> 1:53:10.479 I had one to light this last season. You know, 1:53:10.640 --> 1:53:13.519 it just doesn't feel right. I felt good, Oh, toting 1:53:13.560 --> 1:53:15.960 him around is great walking, but it was bouncing a 1:53:16.040 --> 1:53:18.479 little bit, and I was like, I brother used to 1:53:18.520 --> 1:53:21.559 have a rifle that was thirteen pounds, but not because 1:53:21.640 --> 1:53:23.040 it was like a souped up rifle. It was a 1:53:23.240 --> 1:53:27.040 garbage rifle. But he just really likes said when I 1:53:27.120 --> 1:53:29.120 laid that thing down, man, I feel like it's like 1:53:29.560 --> 1:53:33.680 I'm gonna kill something. Yeah, I'm not going anywhere. Just 1:53:33.800 --> 1:53:35.960 like every other consumer product, we have a little bit 1:53:36.640 --> 1:53:39.680 light and a little bit heavy and a lot in 1:53:39.720 --> 1:53:45.120 the middle because its preference. It is We're gonna get 1:53:45.120 --> 1:53:48.040 a some turkeys with a new shotgun. Cool. Where are 1:53:48.040 --> 1:53:52.640 you guys going everywhere? Okay, we're going Texas first. Our 1:53:52.680 --> 1:53:55.240 Michigan turkey hunt just got kind of screwed up. We're 1:53:55.320 --> 1:53:59.759 on turkeys and Texas go on turkeys. Here on turkeys. 1:53:59.760 --> 1:54:04.439 I don't. Oh, I'm gonna go to Wisconsin taking my 1:54:04.520 --> 1:54:06.960 kids hunting. Turkeys are not a lot to hunt yet much. 1:54:07.120 --> 1:54:11.479 They're Remember when we took our kids turkey hunting, So 1:54:11.560 --> 1:54:14.640 for turkey hunting, you're supposed to be quiet depending on 1:54:14.720 --> 1:54:17.280 the age of kids. Like we took our like sub five, 1:54:18.080 --> 1:54:20.440 and like all they do is like sneeze and sniffle 1:54:20.720 --> 1:54:24.040 and like yell at each other. Yeah. Yeah. The only 1:54:24.120 --> 1:54:25.840 time I would ever shoot a turkey when they were 1:54:25.920 --> 1:54:27.800 long came along is once we scared them away. We 1:54:27.800 --> 1:54:29.439 just run him and gunnham. But you're not supposed to 1:54:29.479 --> 1:54:33.520 do But with kids. I took my little boy when 1:54:33.560 --> 1:54:35.000 I can't remember, I think he's three or four. The 1:54:35.040 --> 1:54:36.360 first time I took him out and we sit in 1:54:36.360 --> 1:54:38.000 the woods, it's just getting light, and I was like, man, 1:54:38.040 --> 1:54:42.760 he's kicking ass. Then look he's sleeping since he won't 1:54:42.840 --> 1:54:46.080 up it all went downhill. That was true. Friend Doug 1:54:46.240 --> 1:54:49.760 let him take a after that morning, My friend Doug 1:54:49.840 --> 1:54:51.520 with him take a sling shot out to this old 1:54:52.040 --> 1:54:54.400 dilapidated house. He's got him his property and let him 1:54:54.400 --> 1:54:58.560 shoot all the windows out with his slingshot in this 1:54:58.800 --> 1:55:01.840 rundown house. And so I thought of it as a 1:55:01.880 --> 1:55:04.760 Turkey trip. But when he would recount the trip to people, 1:55:05.000 --> 1:55:07.360 he was like, when I was in Wisconsin shooting the 1:55:07.360 --> 1:55:13.480 windows out with a slingshot, Like what you're doing? I 1:55:13.560 --> 1:55:17.760 thought that trip, Well, guys, you got any you got 1:55:17.760 --> 1:55:20.240 any concluders, any final things you want to throw in there? 1:55:20.880 --> 1:55:24.400 Stuff you wish we asked. No. Man, just excited to 1:55:24.720 --> 1:55:27.600 hang out more with you guys, and and uh look 1:55:27.640 --> 1:55:29.760 forward to seeing the stuff on the Turkey hunts. Look 1:55:29.760 --> 1:55:32.560 forward to having you guys down and just anybody who 1:55:32.560 --> 1:55:35.800 knows too. We're after June thirteenth, we're gonna have like 1:55:35.840 --> 1:55:37.960 a visitor center and just lobby for people to come 1:55:38.000 --> 1:55:40.800 buy sell some swag and people can visit us and 1:55:41.000 --> 1:55:43.919 see us. We're right off the interstate. They're very northern Wyomings, 1:55:43.920 --> 1:55:45.840 so when you're on your way to Bozeman from somewhere south, 1:55:46.320 --> 1:55:47.680 you come right by your place. You can see it 1:55:47.720 --> 1:55:50.560 from the highway. So um, you know. So that's a 1:55:50.640 --> 1:55:52.520 lot of people are asking about that. Give me come 1:55:52.520 --> 1:55:56.360 my visit everybody else that they want tours. There are 1:55:56.360 --> 1:55:58.840 answers right now, like I need to make guns, so 1:55:58.920 --> 1:56:01.520 we're not gonna give you tours, but maybe later. Are 1:56:01.560 --> 1:56:04.440 you guys gonna put like some old pieces up in 1:56:04.480 --> 1:56:06.800 the visitors area? Oh yeah, Oh yeah, we're gonna have 1:56:06.800 --> 1:56:08.720 a show room. What a lot of guns they can 1:56:08.760 --> 1:56:11.560 see historical current. Brenda has been in charge of kind 1:56:11.600 --> 1:56:14.320 of outfitting that. So we have a lot of Roy's 1:56:14.400 --> 1:56:19.440 memorabilia from Africa. Are you gonna let people go shoot 1:56:19.440 --> 1:56:21.480 a cartridge that's not supposed to be in a certain 1:56:21.520 --> 1:56:24.920 gun just to resize the casing. Yeah, we're gonna have 1:56:25.000 --> 1:56:32.360 fire forming labs want just mix and match. We do 1:56:32.440 --> 1:56:34.400 have a couple underground ranges though right under it. It's 1:56:34.440 --> 1:56:38.240 pretty cool. So I'm kind of jealous of that hat man, well, 1:56:38.480 --> 1:56:41.680 we can get you hats. I should thought today on 1:56:41.680 --> 1:56:43.040 the way up and like, I should have probably brought 1:56:43.120 --> 1:56:46.840 some stuff. We're still like moving so literally we're our 1:56:46.920 --> 1:56:49.080 offices are separate from our manufacturing. So I actually thought 1:56:49.080 --> 1:56:50.440 about it. I'm like, I don't even know where to 1:56:50.520 --> 1:56:53.280 go to find a hat except for my closet. You 1:56:53.320 --> 1:56:58.560 want this one? There you go. I wish I can't 1:56:58.600 --> 1:57:04.480 trade anything. There you go. We could find something for work. Hey, man, 1:57:04.640 --> 1:57:09.360 I recently traded my shirt with another guy. You swapped. 1:57:09.800 --> 1:57:11.880 Guy asked me if you could swap shirts, traded him, 1:57:11.920 --> 1:57:14.240 He traded me his flannel. He traded me a quilted 1:57:14.280 --> 1:57:17.400 flannel for a hoodie. I just did it for no 1:57:17.480 --> 1:57:19.040 other reason than I thought it was a good idea 1:57:19.880 --> 1:57:22.160 that sounded fun. Yeah, so you didn't, You guys Scott 1:57:22.240 --> 1:57:24.040 screwed because I didn't give you anything. Well, no, I'm 1:57:24.040 --> 1:57:25.920 gonna get a cookbook. You're drinking one of our looks, 1:57:26.040 --> 1:57:30.960 drinking one of ox. You're attracting a lot of bartering 1:57:31.120 --> 1:57:36.160 to yourself. Brendan, do you have any concluders anything you 1:57:36.200 --> 1:57:39.960 wish I'd ask you about concluders. I got a cleaning 1:57:40.080 --> 1:57:42.360 question for Brandon, if you want to think about what yeah, 1:57:42.400 --> 1:57:44.920 I thought it. I guess you don't know what to 1:57:45.040 --> 1:57:47.760 go to? Uh. While a game meal is in the 1:57:47.800 --> 1:57:51.560 weather Be household, Oh gosh, well one of them. The 1:57:51.640 --> 1:57:54.600 one recipe you wish everybody knew about it. It doesn't 1:57:54.600 --> 1:57:56.520 have to be fancy, but it's just like a marinade 1:57:56.560 --> 1:58:01.440 from her first Africa trip west in Western wild game 1:58:01.520 --> 1:58:04.080 all the time, and that's really good. That's probably go to. 1:58:04.480 --> 1:58:07.920 That's probably go to. But I do a mean antelope curry, 1:58:08.680 --> 1:58:12.680 I do uh um. I mean elk is very popular 1:58:12.800 --> 1:58:15.480 in our house. We had actually, you know your let 1:58:15.600 --> 1:58:17.560 us wrap thing that you did with the mountain lion, 1:58:18.040 --> 1:58:20.360 So I did that with pasn't just because I didn't 1:58:20.360 --> 1:58:23.960 have any call made mountain lion lettuce wraps. Yeah, it 1:58:24.080 --> 1:58:26.000 was awesome. But I did the chili sauce and all 1:58:26.040 --> 1:58:29.000 that because you left that in my kitchen. Yeah, and 1:58:29.080 --> 1:58:30.680 I'm like, oh my gosh, this is great. I'm gonna 1:58:30.680 --> 1:58:34.080 doctor this up. So we we gotta cook in the 1:58:34.240 --> 1:58:37.920 weather Be kitchen, which is I'm quite jealous of. It's 1:58:38.000 --> 1:58:41.200 sweet sweet layout. Um. You gotta get some blinds on 1:58:41.280 --> 1:58:45.760 there for filming though. That's a mountain view mount view. 1:58:46.160 --> 1:58:47.800 He keeps saying that. I'm like, no, we're not putting. 1:58:48.360 --> 1:58:51.760 There's a tint. There's a window tint you can put up. Okay, 1:58:51.880 --> 1:58:53.360 you still see the mountains. We can have one of 1:58:53.400 --> 1:58:56.080 our guys to tell you how to do it. Okay, Yeah, 1:58:56.680 --> 1:58:59.120 but yeah, we had a great time cooking. So it 1:58:59.160 --> 1:59:02.920 did kind of like a larb let us wrap deal 1:59:03.000 --> 1:59:08.440 and then larb Yeah, what's that mean? That's that Basically 1:59:08.440 --> 1:59:11.600 it's like a hand grind like dice meat until I 1:59:12.160 --> 1:59:15.880 let us wrap the meat. The US heard that word. Yeah, 1:59:16.320 --> 1:59:18.920 I believe it's tie. Yeah, it was like a ty 1:59:19.000 --> 1:59:20.920 let man. We used to make a lot. That's one 1:59:20.960 --> 1:59:22.360 of the things that my kids would love and I 1:59:22.400 --> 1:59:24.600 haven't made it forever. Oh yeah, where you put the 1:59:24.640 --> 1:59:27.520 could you put some coconut in there? I did peanuts, 1:59:28.000 --> 1:59:30.280 like toasted some peanuts. I'm gonna make some. I'm gonna 1:59:30.320 --> 1:59:33.200 make some lettuce wraps because the kids eat that big time. 1:59:33.400 --> 1:59:36.600 Because like fidget with stuff. Is that a word or 1:59:36.600 --> 1:59:40.440 an acronym? It's a word. Look it up, you honest 1:59:40.520 --> 1:59:42.080 check them. You never got back to the other but 1:59:42.120 --> 1:59:45.480 you're supposed to be checking earlier. You're supposed to checking 1:59:45.600 --> 1:59:50.760 what grain means. I got it pulled up. As you 1:59:50.880 --> 1:59:57.000 all know, it's difficult to interrupt sometimes. The mount of Lion, 1:59:57.840 --> 2:00:00.880 you didn't need a mountain sandwich. I didn't get the sandwich. 2:00:01.280 --> 2:00:02.640 I had to go to work. I was trying to 2:00:02.680 --> 2:00:06.240 make pork chop John sandwiches out of Mountain lions and 2:00:06.640 --> 2:00:08.560 it turned out way more like a Chick fil A 2:00:08.720 --> 2:00:14.080 sandwich and horrible. Though. Oh man, apparently there's a lot 2:00:14.160 --> 2:00:16.240 of fans of Chick fil A out there. People were 2:00:16.840 --> 2:00:19.440 very excited about that when I posted it up the 2:00:19.520 --> 2:00:21.920 other day. Well, Janice does his research. I'm gonna tell you. 2:00:21.920 --> 2:00:25.240 Remember we're talking about length of poll. Yeah, I'll tell 2:00:25.240 --> 2:00:28.280 you a quick length of poll story I had. I 2:00:28.400 --> 2:00:31.680 suffered from lyme disease some years ago, and I had 2:00:31.680 --> 2:00:35.320 a lot of problems with my nervous system while this 2:00:35.480 --> 2:00:38.480 is going on. And then one problem that really surprised me. 2:00:38.760 --> 2:00:40.720 And this is as I was just beginning to figure 2:00:40.720 --> 2:00:44.080 out that I had lined but I had written, I 2:00:44.160 --> 2:00:46.280 needed to measure my length of poll. So I had 2:00:46.320 --> 2:00:50.400 written l O P on my hand and I'm sitting 2:00:50.440 --> 2:00:55.160 at my desk, um, I'm sitting at my desk, and 2:00:55.240 --> 2:00:57.240 all of a sudden, I look and I don't know 2:00:58.160 --> 2:01:01.920 what that means or why there, And I had a 2:01:02.160 --> 2:01:07.360 amnesia about that lasted about two hours, where I lost 2:01:07.480 --> 2:01:12.200 track of about twenty four hours of time, so I 2:01:12.240 --> 2:01:14.360 didn't know. When I looked at my I was working, 2:01:14.520 --> 2:01:17.560 I was writing, and I had and I was writing 2:01:17.600 --> 2:01:21.040 a writing a document and I look at the document 2:01:21.680 --> 2:01:24.480 and nothing on the document makes sense, and I can't 2:01:24.480 --> 2:01:26.520 figure out where it came from to where. I think 2:01:26.640 --> 2:01:29.360 someone wrote it on my computer. They knew what I 2:01:29.440 --> 2:01:31.320 was supposed to write about. Because I knew that I 2:01:31.360 --> 2:01:32.960 was supposed to write about it, I could remember that, 2:01:33.120 --> 2:01:36.520 I couldn't remember writing it. So I started taking passages 2:01:37.960 --> 2:01:42.280 of what I wrote, taking blocks of it, and putting 2:01:42.320 --> 2:01:44.240 it in the Google trying to find where it came from, 2:01:44.280 --> 2:01:46.320 because then I thought I must have cut and pasted 2:01:46.440 --> 2:01:49.560 someone else's article, and I couldn't find it. And I 2:01:49.640 --> 2:01:52.600 started taking shorter and shorter chunks and putting him into Google, 2:01:52.600 --> 2:01:56.000 and I couldn't find those combinations of words. And I 2:01:56.080 --> 2:01:58.280 had a book on my desk with a sticky note 2:01:58.320 --> 2:02:00.680 with the guy's address on it, and I knew who 2:02:00.720 --> 2:02:03.240 it was, but he had texted me or whatever that 2:02:03.400 --> 2:02:05.520 morning to send them a book. So I wrote the 2:02:05.560 --> 2:02:07.480 address down. I couldn't figure out why I had a 2:02:07.520 --> 2:02:09.720 book laying there with that address, and then it just 2:02:09.800 --> 2:02:13.160 started expanding outward and outward, and I couldn't remember anything. 2:02:14.320 --> 2:02:16.120 But Yeah, the first glimpse is like, what the hell 2:02:16.160 --> 2:02:21.640 does L O. P? Meant? Later that common no, and 2:02:21.720 --> 2:02:26.120 they it's like I went down. Yeah, things like that 2:02:26.280 --> 2:02:28.760 can happen. There's a lot of sort of mysterious parts 2:02:28.800 --> 2:02:31.400 of it that happen, and when they diagnosed it, they 2:02:31.520 --> 2:02:37.200 diagnosed it as global transient amnesia. But it's never happened 2:02:37.200 --> 2:02:40.560 to me. I've been alive forty five years. I had 2:02:40.640 --> 2:02:43.720 lyme disease for five months, and it just strikes me 2:02:43.760 --> 2:02:46.640 as unusual that at the same time that my elbows 2:02:46.640 --> 2:02:49.080 were numb, my knees were numb, I couldn't go downstairs 2:02:49.080 --> 2:02:53.560 without holding the handrail, all these other problems, like like, 2:02:53.720 --> 2:02:56.280 how would it be that I had a two hour 2:02:56.520 --> 2:03:01.040 amnesia about within the worst of that five months that 2:03:01.280 --> 2:03:04.760 was not related. It just strikes me like, how could 2:03:04.760 --> 2:03:07.840 it not be related? So what happened like the two hours? 2:03:07.920 --> 2:03:11.560 Like literally was it like that? Next minute everything came 2:03:11.560 --> 2:03:14.640 back to you, or did it gradually come back? It 2:03:14.840 --> 2:03:19.160 left instantly, instantly, it was like just snap, and then 2:03:19.240 --> 2:03:23.920 it trickled back in. UM I left. I was working 2:03:24.000 --> 2:03:27.080 at our the production company that makes meat eater zero 2:03:27.120 --> 2:03:30.280 point zero UM. I was working in their offices for 2:03:30.360 --> 2:03:33.400 the day, and I got so nervous. It was so disoriented. 2:03:33.440 --> 2:03:36.360 I didn't tell anyone what was happening, and I left there. 2:03:37.200 --> 2:03:39.280 And then other parts like I couldn't figure out how 2:03:39.320 --> 2:03:41.560 to get home, so that wasn't like a yesterday thing. 2:03:41.680 --> 2:03:43.800 But I very much knew who I was and write 2:03:44.000 --> 2:03:49.480 what I did my wife, but other things slipt like 2:03:49.600 --> 2:03:52.120 I couldn't I had, I couldn't think. I couldn't quite 2:03:52.160 --> 2:03:53.840 think of how to get home. But I knew enough 2:03:53.880 --> 2:03:58.600 to call my no no. But for a minute I wondered, 2:03:58.640 --> 2:04:02.360 if I want you're Jason or whatever dude it was. 2:04:02.720 --> 2:04:05.560 And then once I got to the emergency room, stuff 2:04:05.640 --> 2:04:08.160 was coming back, and maybe an hour or two later, 2:04:08.280 --> 2:04:10.480 it was all back and everything made sense. I'm like, oh, 2:04:10.520 --> 2:04:13.520 I was gonna send Mark Boardman this book. I need 2:04:13.600 --> 2:04:15.760 to measure my length of pull. I remember writing the 2:04:15.840 --> 2:04:19.680 thing it was if there was a drug you could 2:04:19.680 --> 2:04:21.440 take that would do that to people. People would take 2:04:21.480 --> 2:04:26.280 it just to be tripped out of course, and to call, 2:04:26.600 --> 2:04:29.680 like to call your wife. I'm like, I don't understand what, 2:04:29.920 --> 2:04:34.160 but something is happening. She's like, where tell me something? 2:04:34.520 --> 2:04:38.720 You don't move, don't move, just like, don't try to 2:04:38.800 --> 2:04:41.560 do anything. I don't know. I'm just gonna stand here. 2:04:41.920 --> 2:04:46.400 But something wrong is happening. I'll do it was scary. 2:04:46.400 --> 2:04:49.520 Did you find it? Okay? First question is cal right 2:04:49.600 --> 2:04:53.040 or wrong? He's right, I mean, and this is can 2:04:53.120 --> 2:04:55.960 be a complicated recipe, but yeah, it's it's Most of 2:04:55.960 --> 2:04:59.640 these recipes were tie and it's basically like a TI 2:05:00.400 --> 2:05:03.080 version of like a chicken salad. And I'm this doesn't 2:05:03.120 --> 2:05:05.040 have it wrapped and lettuce, but I don't see why 2:05:05.080 --> 2:05:08.000 you couldn't. But usually the crunches as either like a 2:05:08.080 --> 2:05:11.680 toasted sticky rice or some nuts um and then all 2:05:11.760 --> 2:05:21.400 sorts of fragrant herbs, slant man, fish sauce, coconut lime, juice, 2:05:21.560 --> 2:05:26.680 chili flakes, screens, gallions, cilantro steve. If you're looking for 2:05:26.720 --> 2:05:29.560 a recipe, Daniel Pruitt has one on the Meat Eatter 2:05:29.680 --> 2:05:32.200 dot Com for TI venison lettuce wraps or do she 2:05:32.280 --> 2:05:35.720 use the word larbe I feel like that's familiar. I 2:05:35.800 --> 2:05:39.800 think she did. Didn't know what I was looking at. Uh, 2:05:39.960 --> 2:05:42.240 it doesn't was in the new Heart household. What's hot 2:05:42.320 --> 2:05:45.560 right now? For cooking? Um, I just got a suvie, 2:05:45.960 --> 2:05:49.720 so a lot of Suvi stuff. Experiment with that whole deal. Yeah, 2:05:49.840 --> 2:05:51.400 And I do all the cooking so I can like 2:05:51.560 --> 2:05:54.360 throw it in the suv pod before I come, before 2:05:54.400 --> 2:05:56.680 I come to work, ready when I get home. So 2:05:57.520 --> 2:05:59.680 big fan of that. You got the same setup where 2:05:59.840 --> 2:06:02.480 my wife doesn't like to cook if I like to cook, 2:06:02.520 --> 2:06:04.280 so we were it works out good for us. Yeah, 2:06:05.120 --> 2:06:08.600 I enjoy it. Um Okay. Then the other thing, Yeah, 2:06:08.640 --> 2:06:10.720 tell me what a grain is real quick. The ancient grain, 2:06:11.080 --> 2:06:13.720 varying from one culture to the next, was defined as 2:06:13.800 --> 2:06:16.680 the weight of a designated number of dry wheat or 2:06:16.800 --> 2:06:20.160 other edible grain klonels taken from the middle of the ear, 2:06:23.680 --> 2:06:26.240 and it ended up being the original basis for the 2:06:26.320 --> 2:06:30.160 medieval English inch, which is defined for instructional purposes, is 2:06:30.200 --> 2:06:32.760 a length of three medium sized barley corns place end 2:06:32.760 --> 2:06:35.080 to end, which ends up being about two point five 2:06:35.120 --> 2:06:39.280 four centimeters, which I believe two point two is one inch, right, 2:06:39.360 --> 2:06:41.400 So they were damn close way way back in the day. 2:06:42.800 --> 2:06:46.400 There you go. It's it's uh sixty five thousands of 2:06:46.440 --> 2:06:51.400 a graham or one seven thousandth of a pound. One 2:06:51.440 --> 2:06:54.480 of our camera guys. It was working on a side 2:06:54.520 --> 2:06:59.720 project and it was about people trying to define what 2:07:00.040 --> 2:07:07.080 a kilo is because just the importance of having it 2:07:07.200 --> 2:07:10.800 be standard because things that you like, Let's say you 2:07:10.920 --> 2:07:14.880 have the object and you're like, that's this is a kilo, 2:07:15.120 --> 2:07:18.400 Like this object will define what a quilo means. That 2:07:18.600 --> 2:07:24.600 thing sheds molecules. So it was getting lighter. So it's 2:07:24.760 --> 2:07:27.560 problem like what like how do we decide like what 2:07:27.800 --> 2:07:30.600 is a quilo? Or how do we decide like what 2:07:30.920 --> 2:07:34.760 exactly is a second? Do you ever look up numbers 2:07:34.760 --> 2:07:37.120 in the dictionary? No, I don't have that much time. 2:07:37.280 --> 2:07:40.040 The definition will, the definition will always tell you what 2:07:40.160 --> 2:07:43.120 precedes it and what comes after really too, well, it's 2:07:43.240 --> 2:07:49.000 after one and before three. That's crazy. It's good. The 2:07:49.280 --> 2:07:52.840 definition of for water. It's one of the beauties of 2:07:52.960 --> 2:07:57.000 the definition for waters that acts as an almost universal solvent. 2:08:00.280 --> 2:08:02.120 Good stuff. Man, you guys are glad you made the trip. 2:08:02.240 --> 2:08:04.680 Now when you fly on home. You'll be thinking about that, 2:08:05.160 --> 2:08:07.360 right you shouldn't. You should think about where you're going. 2:08:07.400 --> 2:08:12.840 And okay, we're gonna wrap it up. Thank you very 2:08:12.960 --> 2:08:15.480 very much for coming up. Yeah, thank you. It's not 2:08:15.560 --> 2:08:17.520 as much as if you had driven because you flew 2:08:17.560 --> 2:08:20.480 into plane, but it's still you risked life and limb 2:08:21.200 --> 2:08:25.160 to be here. To be here, okay, so worth it. 2:08:25.400 --> 2:08:26.840 Thanks guys, Thank you very much