Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: Miles.
Speaker 1: We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 1: by a writer, producer, host, behind Vogues, Breathless column Sledever
Speaker 1: on Viceland, Stars is Now Apocalypse, and the new podcast
Speaker 1: Sanctum on Mask. Please welcome to this show, Cartly Shortinaarl.
Speaker 3: So much. I'm honored to be on the pod, honestly.
Speaker 1: Oh honored to have you honor us with your presence.
Speaker 2: What's good? How are you doing?
Speaker 3: I'm great. I just walked my jog. Now I'm sitting
Speaker 3: here my house. You know, being a writer, this is
Speaker 3: what being a writer.
Speaker 1: Is, I think, just sitting at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what part of what part of the Where are
Speaker 2: you at? What part of earth are you coming to
Speaker 2: us from?
Speaker 3: I recently moved to Laurel Canyon. Where do you guys live?
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: My address is one one two zero one Street. That's right.
Speaker 2: I'm right there, Yeah, I'm right there in the valley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I lived in the valley for
Speaker 3: a long time. I'm close. I'm close.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 3: I missed like I like the big parking lots, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, parking is you know, that's the thing we've got.
Speaker 4: We're not fighting over parking spots, and we never have
Speaker 4: that thing where we're put off by going somewhere in
Speaker 4: the valley because there's no parking. People are just usually
Speaker 4: put off by coming to the valley in general. Sadly,
Speaker 4: but this is my home.
Speaker 1: And Carly, your new show is about a LA based
Speaker 1: sex club. It's about l a about the sanctum which
Speaker 1: is not spelled leg gets pronounced. But yeah, is a
Speaker 1: really really cool story. Eyes Wide Shut was real there
Speaker 1: for a number of years.
Speaker 3: Basically. Yes, So it's about this sex club called Sang
Speaker 3: Dam which launched in twenty thirteen, and it was this
Speaker 3: this guy, Damon Wanner, was a million dollars in debt.
Speaker 3: He watched It's the classic story. He was up late
Speaker 3: one night, couldn't sleep, watched Eyes Wide Shot. You know
Speaker 3: the iconic sex team, the Illuminati Sex Party. Have you
Speaker 3: ever seen it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, baby did a bad, bad thing that was
Speaker 4: in the trailer I remember for yes, that was.
Speaker 1: Just that one singular icy piano key. This is how
Speaker 1: I wake my children up in the morning.
Speaker 2: The day has begun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's he watched that and he was like, that
Speaker 3: would be cool if that existed. You know, there's like
Speaker 3: all these terrifying powerful men like wearing masks, sleeping with
Speaker 3: models and with like weird ominous chanting in the background,
Speaker 3: like maybe I should make that exist. And then he
Speaker 3: actually did it. And I mean at the club's peak
Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, the most expensive yearly membership was four
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Jeez.
Speaker 1: So it's just got out of debt. Got out of
Speaker 1: that million dollars a debt.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like billionaires and celebrities like LARPing, Game
Speaker 3: of Thrones, like blood Oats, Initiation, ritual sex party, Beverly Hills,
Speaker 3: Hollywood messiness. If you're in that, that's the long line.
Speaker 4: No, that's you got my attention. Anytime it's people LARPing
Speaker 4: that kind of wild suit. It's always interesting to see
Speaker 4: people like act out whatever weird sordid fantasies they have
Speaker 4: in their minds and like fully come I mean not
Speaker 4: insane like, and that's great for them.
Speaker 2: I love that for them. But yeah, we'll billionaires go LARPing.
Speaker 1: People get hurt usually, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we're LARPing.
Speaker 1: This film the most dangerous game. Would you like to
Speaker 1: come out to my island that I own for the weekend?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's cool.
Speaker 1: It's crazy story or we're thrilled to have you. People
Speaker 1: should go check it out. What is something from your
Speaker 1: search history?
Speaker 5: All right, I'm gonna take you guys on a journey
Speaker 5: here because the search history that I have here is
Speaker 5: the end of my journey. But I want to see
Speaker 5: if you guys can get there with me. So I'm
Speaker 5: going to sing you a tune right now, and I
Speaker 5: want you to tell me if you know it off
Speaker 5: the top of your head. Okay, yeah, mm hmm boo
Speaker 5: do Do Do Do Do Do Do doo.
Speaker 2: Baby elephant Walk.
Speaker 5: Fucking nailed that ship, well done. I had that tune
Speaker 5: stuck in my head the other day. Couldn't remember what
Speaker 5: it was called, and.
Speaker 4: So Dan podcast, okay, with nothing to do except no
Speaker 4: useless shit like that song is.
Speaker 2: Called baby Elephant Walk.
Speaker 5: Now, now, not to call you out, but Jack did
Speaker 5: you know that off the top of your head.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I I was getting there. I was like
Speaker 1: the first step on a one hundred step journey to
Speaker 1: getting there, and I was not all the way there.
Speaker 5: So here's the here's the journey I took via Google
Speaker 5: Search to find that song. Yeah, classic honky honk type songs,
Speaker 5: wrong honky to I don't think of that as exactly wrong.
Speaker 5: That classic song that has flute and horns also wrong.
Speaker 5: Song from Austin Powers was not in that movie. Now
Speaker 5: here's where I took a lot. I totally thought it
Speaker 5: was though. I was like, yeah, that's right. Was a
Speaker 5: song walking through City?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 5: In my head, I was like, I feel like walk
Speaker 5: is in the name of the song or something like that,
Speaker 5: And I was right. I was close. But song walking
Speaker 5: through City not helpful. And then we get to my
Speaker 5: actual search Shazam you can sing into because I was
Speaker 5: so tired of doing this bullshit that I was like,
Speaker 5: I just have to solve this by someone telling me
Speaker 5: what it is, and Shazam is insufficient for that. Now,
Speaker 5: did you guys know that the Google app will let
Speaker 5: you sing into it and it will find the song?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: So it worked. It worked.
Speaker 5: I sang into Google and the first thing that came
Speaker 5: up baby Elephant Walk by Henry Mancini. There it is
Speaker 5: what humbled me a little bit was that it said,
Speaker 5: act you're a little pitchy, Doug twelve percent.
Speaker 2: Twelve percent.
Speaker 5: I was like, I mean, I appreciate you getting it,
Speaker 5: but you did not have to drag me like that.
Speaker 1: Twelve You're kind of all over the place. You're all
Speaker 1: over the map here with your pitch. But I can
Speaker 1: tell that this is what you're doing. Just don't do
Speaker 1: that in front of anybody with my note. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I think my man did the pink Panther theme too.
Speaker 2: Oh oh wow, that's right. Yeah, good call. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So yeah, shazam, you can sing into and gang. If
Speaker 5: you're like me and you have a tune stuck in
Speaker 5: your head, just pull up that baby girl Google and
Speaker 5: sing right into her and then boom, you got yourself
Speaker 5: baby baby else walk.
Speaker 2: You could have just called me man. You could have
Speaker 2: just called me man.
Speaker 5: No, I could You're right, I could have, And maybe
Speaker 5: That's what I'll do from now on instead of to Google.
Speaker 4: So there was a dram when I like was so
Speaker 4: into those like just songs that you hear all the time,
Speaker 4: but didn't know what they were called. And like, well,
Speaker 4: back in the early days of iTunes, I had a
Speaker 4: playlist with all like those those weird tracks on there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And a lot of Herb Albert tracks are on
Speaker 4: there too, because like there's the songs you kind of hear, like, wait,
Speaker 4: what is this one? What are some of the Herb
Speaker 4: Albert like in the Tiajuana brass, like Zorba the Greek?
Speaker 2: Do you want to tack? I feel like I'm in that.
Speaker 1: Uh. I think you should leave sketch with Hedacre oh man.
Speaker 1: Also the brass with a crank in it. Also do
Speaker 1: the the thing that is from a Biggie Biggie Biggie
Speaker 1: hypnotized rise that sample.
Speaker 2: Uh huh that's Herb Alpert. That's Herb Alpert. Yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: Anyway, so I know that I'm I'm yeah, I was
Speaker 4: really into that kind of And when you said song
Speaker 4: with horns and the flude, I said the intro of Tears.
Speaker 2: Of a Clown. They anyway got smoky on the brain.
Speaker 1: What where is that song from the Baby Elephant Walk?
Speaker 2: Like? Where where would people have recognized it?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: I look it up?
Speaker 5: It was actually in an episode of The Simpsons, in
Speaker 5: the Dance and Homer episode. Yeah, but it was from
Speaker 5: some it was it was written for some movie that
Speaker 5: I can't remember right now, because when I looked it up,
Speaker 5: I saw the Homer thing and I was like, that's
Speaker 5: where I must have remembered.
Speaker 2: It from Hatari, the nineteen sixty two film.
Speaker 5: There you go that I undoubtedly have seen hundreds of times.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I have not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I knew it from like The Simpsons
Speaker 4: and then just it being like throwaway music that people use.
Speaker 6: For like comedic bits exactly. Okay, that and Spanish fille
Speaker 6: per Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: I know that one. That's like the whole music when
Speaker 1: they like when like something goes wrong in the show
Speaker 1: and then they like to like we'll be right.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Binga, what is what something you think is overrated?
Speaker 7: The British monarchy?
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, what not?
Speaker 1: On this podcast, we are a monarchist, We are royal watchers.
Speaker 2: We love them King Chuck aye a I as we
Speaker 2: call them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah. The interesting thing is, and I'm asking both of
Speaker 7: you this because I'm confused. Sure, as far as I know,
Speaker 7: America fought a bloody war to separate itself from the
Speaker 7: British monarchy. But American media, American public is obsessed, obsessed, Yeah,
Speaker 7: and I don't get it why because honestly, I mean,
Speaker 7: monarchy is what racism on steroids and are still so
Speaker 7: intrigued by it?
Speaker 1: Right, just answered your own question, racism on steroids and
Speaker 1: out in the open and with fancy stuff.
Speaker 2: America.
Speaker 1: Racism loves money and you know.
Speaker 4: Loves yeah, and loves like just terribly concentrated power in
Speaker 4: the hands of a very interesting looking group of people.
Speaker 1: Billionaires. They love, billionaires who didn't do shit to get
Speaker 1: their money and just pretending that they did. So it
Speaker 1: kind of fits. But yeah, I oh.
Speaker 7: Okay, not in your sense. It's all coming together, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And also there's like just this romanticism I think of
Speaker 4: like just being like, oh, like like Americans feel like
Speaker 4: that's the fancy for like something.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: There's like an aspirational aspect to it, I think too,
Speaker 4: in this weird way from like it's classy to think
Speaker 4: that the king, like the monarchy is cool versus Joe
Speaker 4: Biden or something.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's to each their own, I mean, I definitely.
Speaker 7: I mean when I think of them. I think of
Speaker 7: I don't know, loot told yeah, and people who invaded
Speaker 7: the self content and basically took everything away. So I
Speaker 7: have myloneal hangle. I can't get over that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, No, I think most most American people, I
Speaker 4: mean I think who are like savvy when it comes
Speaker 4: to history, Like yeah, I mean like, I mean, if anything,
Speaker 4: they taught us how to be the empire we are
Speaker 4: today in the United States, and we just iterated on
Speaker 4: what we learned from the English, I guess, but yeah,
Speaker 4: it's the thing.
Speaker 7: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: No, I think not at all. It's the worst fucking
Speaker 2: thing ever.
Speaker 4: And I think it's only I look at we were
Speaker 4: saying yesterday when we looked at a picture of Charles
Speaker 4: during the coronation. I'm like, if you could like assign
Speaker 4: like a human scream value to each jewel and piece
Speaker 4: of gold or fur that adorned his body, how many
Speaker 4: screams worth of shit was he wearing?
Speaker 2: Because it has to be in like the trillions.
Speaker 1: That's what gives him the power though, And.
Speaker 4: I think I think, like for me, that's when I
Speaker 4: look at those things, all I see is pain, Like
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is it's like you mind that gold
Speaker 4: or those emeralds or things like that. This sh it's
Speaker 4: still and in fact, how many like former colonies are.
Speaker 2: Like we want our ship back, yeah, but we do
Speaker 2: give us Yeah exactly, it's still still.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He does make it all look a few clicks more
Speaker 1: ridiculous than any king that I've witnessed before. I haven't
Speaker 1: witnessed that many kings, but like he puts the lie
Speaker 1: to the whole thing and like just makes the monarchy
Speaker 1: look bad. So I will say, in that respect, I'm
Speaker 1: glad that he's the king because he just is like
Speaker 1: this palladi old man who's just like, I want my life.
Speaker 2: This blasted pen.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, but I do see this narrative about good
Speaker 7: monarchs and bad monarchs, and I really don't buy it
Speaker 7: because anybody who's benefiting from the institution itself is part
Speaker 7: of perpetuating that, you know, harmful bad So I don't
Speaker 7: give a fuck if it's like a good monarch or
Speaker 7: bad monarch, that all monarchs and they're benefiting from it.
Speaker 7: I mean Prince Harry, good for him. I mean I
Speaker 7: do feel bad for him in some ways, but to
Speaker 7: be honest, heartache, I don't feel bad for them either.
Speaker 2: He's doing all right. He's got that monarch guilt creeping in.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, it's like.
Speaker 4: The same way of like, you can't be a US
Speaker 4: president and not be a war criminal, right, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? And it's at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: were like, oh what about him? Like, no, also war criminal?
Speaker 4: Actually yeah, look up? Look up what was done under
Speaker 4: their command? No one gets out of here, Scott Free.
Speaker 2: What is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 3: Okay, so this show, I don't know if it's underrated.
Speaker 3: I just think it's like underappreciated Underwatch. There's this show
Speaker 3: that I think is the special Intellvision. It's called Couple Therapy.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of.
Speaker 2: It VH one?
Speaker 3: On VH one, No, it's it's on Showtime Hulu.
Speaker 2: Oh there was a VH one show. It is a
Speaker 2: reality show called Couple's Therapy.
Speaker 4: I feel like back in the day, that's when I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, that shit was wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty twelve is whenever season came out of that shit.
Speaker 3: Really, So it's basically that that's what it is. It's
Speaker 3: it's couples in Therapy. It is yes, and it is
Speaker 3: fucking insane, So it's like you think it will be.
Speaker 3: It's basically the way it's shot is it doesn't feel
Speaker 3: like it's like a documentary not a reality show, because
Speaker 3: it's these couples go in, there's a therapist, and it
Speaker 3: just for them. They're just walking into a regular therapist office.
Speaker 3: All the cameras are hit. They know they're they've agreed
Speaker 3: to be filmed, but all the cameras are hidden, like
Speaker 3: in the wall and the lamp and the desk, so
Speaker 3: they now you know, when you can just tell people
Speaker 3: are aware of the camera and you watch reality shows
Speaker 3: like these people never interact with a camera and the
Speaker 3: whole process of filming, so they really do kind of forget.
Speaker 3: And it's so fucking riveting because you just start to
Speaker 3: realize like everybody has the same problems, Like we all
Speaker 3: have the same issues, every couple is the same, so
Speaker 3: you kind of feel like you're in therapy. But I've
Speaker 3: touch a couples who've watched it together and they're like,
Speaker 3: it's triggering, So I say warning.
Speaker 2: And it's triggering.
Speaker 4: And we've also never gone to couples therapy, so we're
Speaker 4: gonna avoid this show to bring any awareness to our relationship.
Speaker 2: Why would you need to you got the Showtime show
Speaker 2: a couple of my health regimen.
Speaker 4: Every day I lift my leg above my head, I
Speaker 4: watch one episode of Couples Therapy, and I'm good. It's
Speaker 4: every bet Every single couple's problem is probably reduced down
Speaker 4: to this. People not voicing their needs and then letting
Speaker 4: that fester and then it manifesting into other issues because
Speaker 4: of a lack of communication. I feel like that's one
Speaker 4: of the biggest problems most couples experienced for like a lot.
Speaker 3: You know, wow, it's well put like condensed. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean it's true or yeah, or like suppressing. And also
Speaker 3: I think like lack of self examination for some So
Speaker 3: it's like, what is that quote where it's like, the unexamined.
Speaker 2: Life is not worth living.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's something like unexamined. It's something like the unexamined,
Speaker 3: unexamined issues like become the puppeteer of your life. That's
Speaker 3: not what it is. But it's some young end quote
Speaker 3: where it's like, if you don't process something, it will
Speaker 3: actually just control you when you won't realize.
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn.
Speaker 3: And I think there's a lot of.
Speaker 1: That fortually that is not a problem I deal with,
Speaker 1: the only problem ideal with. I'm always yelling nothing's wrong,
Speaker 1: Everything's fine. Why does everybody keep asking me that? But
Speaker 1: I'm good over here. So yeah, I don't need therapy
Speaker 1: of any sort.
Speaker 4: Well, like, it becomes a problem if you dwell on it.
Speaker 4: That's I keep telling my mom. I keep thinking about it,
Speaker 4: then it is a problem.
Speaker 2: Don't you see that? Oh geez, I'm.
Speaker 1: Just trying to manifest here by ignoring my problems. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: talk about Fox News. And we're back. And there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of crimes that have happened in the past week.
Speaker 1: You know, Jordan Neely was murdered by a white man,
Speaker 1: and then a mass shooter who was an avowed Nazi
Speaker 1: with like Nazi tattoos went on a killing spree in Dallas,
Speaker 1: and the right has chosen to like greet this by
Speaker 1: saying that it's like unfair that we're talking about it
Speaker 1: when it happens.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's just like this really terribly bad faith argument
Speaker 4: that they're saying, Like the Libs are reaching by saying
Speaker 4: the Dallas shooter was a Nazi. That's just that's what
Speaker 4: they say about everyone. Oh my god, everyone's a Nazi.
Speaker 4: That's just what they say about everyone. But like, sadly,
Speaker 4: even the most casual look at this person's social media
Speaker 4: would confirm that he was in fact a white supremacist
Speaker 4: like hyl Hitler ing neo Nazi, and even made a
Speaker 4: post where he was explaining his own beliefs despite his
Speaker 4: perceived ethnic identity, because many people were like, there's no
Speaker 4: way someone with a Hispanic last name could be a
Speaker 4: white supremacist. What are you guys going on about. That's impossible.
Speaker 4: You have to be white to be a white supremacist.
Speaker 4: And I just I'll throw some names out for people
Speaker 4: who are up on you know, the really gross figures
Speaker 4: on the right. How about Enrique Tario that had a
Speaker 4: proud voice. Okay, he's a Cuban American, but he's also
Speaker 4: a white supremacist. You also have Nick Fuentes who's also
Speaker 4: has met up with Donald Trump many times and was
Speaker 4: courting Kanye West, and just like the grossest parts of
Speaker 4: the internet, white supremacist. So just it does it does
Speaker 4: my head in Okay, as the English say, because first
Speaker 4: of all, whiteness is a fucking social construct that has
Speaker 4: shifted over centuries, you know, like you can even look
Speaker 4: at there was a thread from this professor I want
Speaker 4: Kathleen Belou who even pointed out, like how much the
Speaker 4: race box on the US Census has like shifted over time,
Speaker 4: and how like it's not just white or whatever. If
Speaker 4: you go back to nineteen ten, it's just saying like
Speaker 4: color or race was the box it said there were
Speaker 4: no other categories, or even in the eighteen ninety it
Speaker 4: says whether white, black, mulatto, quadroon, octoroon, we don't use
Speaker 4: these terms as all. Yeah, Chinese Japanese are Indian, and
Speaker 4: overtime these things shift. And so to this idea of like,
Speaker 4: because this person isn't a like I guess you know,
Speaker 4: the aryan type of variety of white person is. Maybe
Speaker 4: what they're thinking has to that's the standard to be
Speaker 4: a quote unquote white supremacist. They're completely missing the point.
Speaker 4: And I think because most Americans would most likely look
Speaker 4: at this toy like black or brown versus white lens,
Speaker 4: whereas like places in South America have very different ideas
Speaker 4: of what whiteness is or who a person of color is.
Speaker 4: It's like, are the white people those that descend from
Speaker 4: the Iberians that colonize the land and the people of color,
Speaker 4: the indigenous, and that's how they began to you know,
Speaker 4: separate like on those kinds of racial lines of class,
Speaker 4: et cetera. And again, you look in Texas and the
Speaker 4: Southwest in general the United States, you have a lot
Speaker 4: of people who have last names that are Hispanic who
Speaker 4: might not see themselves as people of color, and some
Speaker 4: might see themselves as just downright Nazis. So at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, the ideology kind of like in
Speaker 4: its current state, isn't based on the purest sense of
Speaker 4: like aryan supremacy that they're thinking of, like Hitler's master
Speaker 4: race kind of thing. But it's just a it attracts
Speaker 4: people because it's a violent system of power that targets women, Jews,
Speaker 4: trans people, Muslims, whoever who is not outside of like
Speaker 4: the deemed hegemonic class or whatever. And you know, the
Speaker 4: murderer's post confirm all of this, like he was aligned
Speaker 4: with all of these beliefs, and.
Speaker 7: His white supremacy is on full display through his stattooes.
Speaker 7: So I was like, yeah, what the heck, Like you
Speaker 7: could tell that this guy is hardcore white supremacist. And
Speaker 7: you're absolutely right about this ideology being internalized by other
Speaker 7: races as well, especially in America, because it lends itself
Speaker 7: to approximation to whiteness and where you stand in this society,
Speaker 7: because America is obsessed, obsessed with race.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but won't admit it to themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course. Oh we're past that. We're past that.
Speaker 1: But it is wild to see because it's just that
Speaker 1: they are just telling on themselves that they think of
Speaker 1: race as a genetic like differentiator and not a social
Speaker 1: construct used to discriminate and economically exploit people like they
Speaker 1: are like, well, he has a last name and because
Speaker 1: of the one drop rule that we all adopted after
Speaker 1: the Civil War. Wait, we didn't all adopt that. That
Speaker 1: was just me and the people in the back room
Speaker 1: where I make the decisions about the society.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: It's fucking wild to.
Speaker 4: Your point, Saudi, about for all of those who are like,
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's a Nazi. He couldn't have
Speaker 4: more Nazi tattoos if you'd even tried. I guess he
Speaker 4: could have had mind komf tatted in its entirety on
Speaker 4: his body. But ss bolts and a swastika. There's no
Speaker 4: there's no ambiguity about it. And again, this is just
Speaker 4: their bad faith argument because they can't really argue anything
Speaker 4: on the merits because it's all about obscuring the existence
Speaker 4: of this, like the the heavy hand of white supremacy
Speaker 4: that looms over everything in this country.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, that's not how its doesn't exist.
Speaker 4: Said you were saying, how this ideology even a tracks
Speaker 4: people of other races and cultures. You know, he posted
Speaker 4: a meme that basically said, like, when you're Hispanic, like,
Speaker 4: it's like a fork in the road, and on one
Speaker 4: side it says act black and the other said, become
Speaker 4: a white supremacist. And that just kind of shows you
Speaker 4: what his entire worldview is of what your perceived options are,
Speaker 4: if there's even such an idea of options for how
Speaker 4: you live your life. But that was his very specific worldview,
Speaker 4: that was that was the shooter. That was the shooter,
Speaker 4: Yeah posted.
Speaker 1: I actually couldn't tell if that was the shooter or
Speaker 1: Elon Musk. That's where we're at at this point.
Speaker 2: No truly, and I mean he was also parroting the
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 4: It was like, well, I much like really but again fine,
Speaker 4: like this is this is why he bought the website
Speaker 4: to bring even more nonsense and misinformation to the masses
Speaker 4: and normalize that.
Speaker 1: It's really like getting to a point where it's systematic.
Speaker 1: He's doing it frequently, constantly, and just in the most
Speaker 1: bad faith way as possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: But what's worse is that a lot of people in
Speaker 7: America will buy into the narratives, whether they're coming from
Speaker 7: Republicans or Elon Musk. And that's more problematic than anything else. Right,
Speaker 7: Why are people buying into it yet? Because they want
Speaker 7: to maintain their racial hierarchy. It's as simply as not.
Speaker 7: There's nothing else to it, right, I mean, yeah, oversimplified,
Speaker 7: But one of the major reasons why people are so
Speaker 7: hung up on these narratives and they don't want to
Speaker 7: let go is because they don't want to give up
Speaker 7: on their racial hierarchy, whatever form it takes, right.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, Because it's like, well, at least I have
Speaker 4: that I have no world yet in a world of
Speaker 4: limited options, we at least I have my whiteness and
Speaker 4: I can lord that over people and still feel good
Speaker 4: about myself because I'm in the white head Christian group
Speaker 4: or whatever it is that's become very attractive to these
Speaker 4: people recently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's talk about drag queens and the military.
Speaker 1: The Navy is despite you know, Tom Cruise's best efforts
Speaker 1: and Top Gun two, they did a whole Top Gun which,
Speaker 1: like the last time they did it, it's naval recruitment,
Speaker 1: like naval recruitment shot through the roof. This time. The
Speaker 1: movie was a massive hit, but everyone was like it
Speaker 1: was fun to watch. I'm not going to join the
Speaker 1: Navy now still major.
Speaker 2: What's that sid you see the volleyball? Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: want to join.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean this one had a two way football,
Speaker 1: so I think it was as high waisted jeans that
Speaker 1: fucked people up there like that. But so they're they're
Speaker 1: trying new things. They're doing like a social media like
Speaker 1: influencer campaign with active duty officers and one of them
Speaker 1: is a drag queen, Harpy Daniels, that is one of
Speaker 1: five people tapped to be one of the Navy's new
Speaker 1: digital Ambassadors, which, by the.
Speaker 2: Way, not a paying gig.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, really, it's just they they get to help
Speaker 1: the military because well, you have done stand military only
Speaker 1: has more funding than anything in America.
Speaker 2: So we're dealing with for this sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah Jesus, But people on the right predictably freaked the
Speaker 1: fuck out. One of the Seal team's six guys tweeted,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I focked for this bullshit. This is
Speaker 1: the same guy who probably tweeted a photo of himself
Speaker 1: on a flight with no mask on during the thick
Speaker 1: of the pandemic with the caption I'm not.
Speaker 2: A pussy, yep, because science is for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, whatever, that's cool, man, I'm sure you're probably
Speaker 4: I know you haven't spent much time thinking about how
Speaker 4: the United States military used you in service of a big,
Speaker 4: big oil grab over there.
Speaker 2: But hey, it's all good. You're not a pussy. I'm
Speaker 2: not a pussy.
Speaker 1: I'll kill your grandmother for the right to not be
Speaker 1: inconvenienced while watching the movie yesterday and eating a bag
Speaker 1: of piny pretzels. That's how tough I am. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know the right. People on the right are
Speaker 1: claiming it will only hurt recruitment because drag queen shows
Speaker 1: have no place in our military.
Speaker 4: Hold on, I even know that's so far off, okay,
Speaker 4: go on, yeah, yeah, a history lesson there.
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll start with more recently, they're hugely popular
Speaker 1: drag show on military basis. In twenty fifteen, positively reported
Speaker 1: on by that liberal rag Stars and Stripes the military
Speaker 1: Internal military publication apparently like they couldn't print enough tickets
Speaker 1: for this show, which was six service members, gay, lesbian
Speaker 1: and straight, wearing heavy makeup to dance and lip sync
Speaker 1: songs such as I Want to Dance with Somebody. It's
Speaker 1: funny like they're describing like a drag show, like they're
Speaker 1: hearing about it for the first time. Six service members
Speaker 1: donned heavy makeup to dance and lipshink songs all.
Speaker 2: And different names than they're usuals.
Speaker 1: And then there's just like a long history of this,
Speaker 1: like going back to the men wearing quote exaggerated feminine attired.
Speaker 1: Feminine attire dates back to the eighteen hundreds and the Navy.
Speaker 1: Drag shows were a huge part of military culture during
Speaker 1: World War Two. Shows put on by soldiers included girly
Speaker 1: segments where gruffgi is dressed in two two's well still
Speaker 1: wearing their army boots. There were comedic routines in which
Speaker 1: soldiers impersonated female stars of the period, and it's not.
Speaker 1: It's like when you read the writing about it, like
Speaker 1: the people are it's not like this is ridiculous, it's
Speaker 1: funny because it's ridiculous. They're like they brought a boot
Speaker 1: of beauty to the like performances, and like we're very skilled,
Speaker 1: and so it's just I don't know, it's a we've
Speaker 1: gone backwards somehow to a place where like you can't
Speaker 1: appreciate this and any act of inclusivity has to be
Speaker 1: part of some massive conspiracy that.
Speaker 2: You're not in on. According to these people, it's.
Speaker 4: Just wild to like think of the like it does
Speaker 4: whatever anything that they see is falling under like the
Speaker 4: woke umbrella, they'll immediately lose their shit over, even if
Speaker 4: it's something that like already has enough momentum culturally within
Speaker 4: like the things that they're into, like the fucking military,
Speaker 4: and they'll be like, oh no, no, what's this. It's like, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I did drag when I was when I was enlisted,
Speaker 4: but that was different.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was fucking different, okay.
Speaker 4: Or when my grandfather did in World War two, that
Speaker 4: was because they it was different. It was stressful during wartime.
Speaker 4: Now this stuff, I don't know, it's just a bridge
Speaker 4: too far.
Speaker 1: Entertainers were not stigmatized because of their perceived or real
Speaker 1: sexual identities. Instead, the feminine nature of the illusionists and
Speaker 1: characterists acts were held up as beautiful. That is from
Speaker 1: a feminist work of theory call Oh wait, no, that's
Speaker 1: just from the National World War Two Museum, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's just it was. They weren't fucking assholes at
Speaker 1: the time. It turns out there are literally pictures of
Speaker 1: men in dresses gunning down Nazi planes because they were
Speaker 1: in the middle of a drag show and got interrupted
Speaker 1: by a German air raid and had to go out,
Speaker 1: and you know, man, giant guns on the side of
Speaker 1: these fucking warships and yeah, yeah, people are like that
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Hey man, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Hey, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: If only Tom Cruise didn't fuck us over with this
Speaker 4: latest top gun, you wouldn't have to resort to this stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean it's just wild though, too.
Speaker 4: Like they're in this thing where they're trying to figure
Speaker 4: out how to get more recruits, and they're trying to
Speaker 4: do things that would seemingly say like hey, we're in
Speaker 4: like maybe you want to join, and don't look into
Speaker 4: the part where maybe you're going to get caught up
Speaker 4: and fighting a war, like an empirical war for us.
Speaker 4: But hey, this is something I don't know. It just
Speaker 4: baffles me the recruitment strategy overall, and also not really
Speaker 4: understanding that most young people are just not interested in
Speaker 4: military service as they learn that, like, you know, when
Speaker 4: you come back as a veteran, doesn't seem like the
Speaker 4: care is too great, and on top of it, like
Speaker 4: what if you're end up you know a lot of
Speaker 4: the people that they're looking for are people who are
Speaker 4: the most financially desperate to end up serving and things
Speaker 4: like that that they're just you know, they're still I
Speaker 4: don't know, it's just maybe they can attract them with.
Speaker 1: Movie stuff, Yeah, taking care of veterans that that would
Speaker 1: be uh interesting recruitment tactic. Maybe if it's pitched to
Speaker 1: them that way, they would actually right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like, well, I've seen have you seen that one commercial
Speaker 4: where I think that people are like these like sort
Speaker 4: of millennial as people are like around a campfire and
Speaker 4: like they're talking about how they own homes and it's
Speaker 4: because they're in the military, and they're like what they're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: because the military and like they're sort of using that
Speaker 4: sort of carrot on a stick now, like home ownership
Speaker 4: to like inspiring Listen, maybe.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you can go to I feel
Speaker 3: like you can go to cor Right, That's why historically,
Speaker 3: like poor people have joined the military because you can
Speaker 3: get a college education. But I don't know how that.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe that then leads to home ownership, but
Speaker 3: I don't know. Most of my friends who have college
Speaker 3: education stone own home. So I don't think it works
Speaker 3: that way. Honestly.
Speaker 4: I think that's why they're like, see do it this way?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, here it is here. I'll just play for you.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's like.
Speaker 7: We're getting that house.
Speaker 3: We told you guys about you're buying a house.
Speaker 7: Ye, soldiers get be a loan guarantees youah, no money down.
Speaker 3: Well, my office gives us free bagels. It's kind of funny. Actually, Okay,
Speaker 3: so it's about loan. It's about it's a great joke.
Speaker 3: It's about loans.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, we can get sick loans, but hey,
Speaker 4: I get bagels.
Speaker 3: Interesting loans.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, well let's take a quick break. We'll come
Speaker 1: back and talk about Guardians of the Galaxy three.
Speaker 2: Fuck you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're back, and so is the year nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty nine. This summers to be the biggest movie summer
Speaker 1: in years because of the pandemic. Obviously, think my best
Speaker 1: year pretty quiet. So yeah, they got years old.
Speaker 4: Yeah, killing I have Batman bike shorts I will wear
Speaker 4: every day.
Speaker 2: My parents had Latman bike shorts.
Speaker 1: Is such a specific butt like that was. That was
Speaker 1: when Axel Rose started wearing bike shorts as like just
Speaker 1: a thing like T shirt bike shorts and yep, damn
Speaker 1: that was like, well, I guess that's okay. I had
Speaker 1: Batman logos going all up the side of the leg.
Speaker 1: I remember my parents like I would fall asleep and
Speaker 1: they would have to take them off of me because
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, these are my pajamas.
Speaker 2: Also yeah, and like I just part of me anyway.
Speaker 1: Wow, So I think that year did make a mark,
Speaker 1: and the you know, brain trusted Hollywood has looked at
Speaker 1: the metrics and we're like, we're just gonna do that
Speaker 1: one over again, because yeah, so biggest movie of the year.
Speaker 1: As Miles mentioned, as Miles head on his child hips
Speaker 1: on his child legs Batman, so shout out legs.
Speaker 2: So that in place of Batman.
Speaker 1: We are getting The Flash, a new movie that, according
Speaker 1: to the trailers, is just basically Michael Keaton as Batman again,
Speaker 1: Like it's full up of like Michael Keaton saying I'm Batman,
Speaker 1: and like his first line in the movie also, you
Speaker 1: want to get nuts, Let's get nuts, which I guess
Speaker 1: is a line from the first one. I forgot that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you are my number one. I remember that.
Speaker 1: Wait, but does Michael Keaton say you want to get nuts,
Speaker 1: Let's get nuts or the Jokers line?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it feels like no, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1: He's like his Bruce Wayne is a little It's like
Speaker 1: I would not want to I guess that's true of
Speaker 1: all Bruce Bruce's Wayne, but just a guy I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to hang out with.
Speaker 2: It seems seems like a billionaire with like trauma.
Speaker 4: That's like he could he could just go to maybe
Speaker 4: a couple of therapy sessions which collects old weapons.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyways, that's coming back. People are like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's amazing. Second biggest movie of nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: nine was Indiana Jones in the Last Crusade. This year
Speaker 1: we have what, will, according to Harrison Ford, be the
Speaker 1: last Indiana Jones movie again. I think he said that
Speaker 1: about Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: They have just wildly missed on the name that they've
Speaker 1: given it. Like the first three were all all made
Speaker 1: sense to me. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull to much.
Speaker 1: This one, the Dial of Destiny. Does that do anything
Speaker 1: for you, guys?
Speaker 4: No, No, that sounds like it sounds like you would
Speaker 4: do something for a seventy year old person.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say that also sounds like a bad
Speaker 5: rom com title. Dial Destiny there want to call Away?
Speaker 4: I have to I've forgot to mention this when you
Speaker 4: re brought up the Flash movie. There was an article
Speaker 4: that was going around last week because Ezra Miller, you know,
Speaker 4: they got all this fucking legal trouble and like all
Speaker 4: these allegations that we've heard constantly about and we've seen
Speaker 4: it on video ourselves of if this person just acting
Speaker 4: wild in public, truly, why the fucking The production designer
Speaker 4: of the film said that the film, Oh hold on,
Speaker 4: I just have to I just have to find.
Speaker 2: This this ship.
Speaker 5: How do you how do you even come out and
Speaker 5: say this? How do you say this?
Speaker 4: Basically said that the film looks so good that quote,
Speaker 4: people will forget, They're like this that they will forget
Speaker 4: their history of abuse because the movie looks so lit.
Speaker 5: How do you throw yourself under the buzz Like, what
Speaker 5: is the point of falling on someone else's sword to
Speaker 5: be like, no, no, no, it's chill. All that bad shit
Speaker 5: they did. You're gonna forget about that? Yeah, what's the point.
Speaker 4: Because people were just asking, they said in this article,
Speaker 4: this interview with the CBC, this guy, Paul Osterbury said.
Speaker 4: Oscar Bay says he's not too concerned about how the
Speaker 4: story surrounding Miller will affect the film.
Speaker 2: People will forget that.
Speaker 1: This film could star Woody Allen and everyone would still
Speaker 1: go because.
Speaker 2: That's how it looks. That's how good the production design was.
Speaker 2: That's wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyways, we got Dial of Destiny, which I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure the Last Crusade was built as like the
Speaker 1: last Indiana Jones movie, So they're doing the exact same
Speaker 1: move as they did in nineteen eighty nine. Also coming
Speaker 1: out The Little Mermaid, Disney's remake of a movie that
Speaker 1: came out in fall of nineteen eighty nine, and what
Speaker 1: like if the previous live action remakes of Disney films
Speaker 1: have taught us anything, it's that they will not be
Speaker 1: adding much no to this, like they don't change now
Speaker 1: a whole lot. This is just a skinning of like
Speaker 1: the original film with live actors and better performers.
Speaker 4: I think I think we're gonna get some good I mean,
Speaker 4: the performances out of it will be better. At the
Speaker 4: end of the day, You're not having to do much
Speaker 4: lifting creatively because you're like, yeah.
Speaker 1: That that scripted we already on and just in terms
Speaker 1: of a straight straight up transposition of what was happening
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine, they're really they're really doing it.
Speaker 5: If I if I've been on record on the show
Speaker 5: talking about my disdain for live action remixs of Disney movies,
Speaker 5: because I know that we have talked about this in
Speaker 5: the office for years, basically since The Jungle Book and
Speaker 5: Lion King. You just and I know and Jack, I
Speaker 5: know you. I mean, well, I'm not gonna put you
Speaker 5: on the spot and say you share this level of disdain,
Speaker 5: but I know that you too have observed you just
Speaker 5: cannot make these animal faces do what a Disney movie
Speaker 5: does an animation.
Speaker 1: You just cannot, right, you cannot, and you may not,
Speaker 1: and you made it and you may not why you
Speaker 1: were so mad about flounder. Yeah, and we like talking
Speaker 1: about Flounder and Sebastians. Since they announced this, I've been like,
Speaker 1: first of all, like it didn't work in The Lion
Speaker 1: King and those are beautiful animals. Yes, under sea creatures
Speaker 1: are ugly and terrified, weird, and they are supposed to
Speaker 1: like they're cute in the original movie.
Speaker 2: But like flounder looks really founder, Yes, he looks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, flounders which, by the way, like actual flounders have
Speaker 1: their eyes on the face.
Speaker 2: So what is what? What is this?
Speaker 1: Even it's a tropical fish of some sort, something of
Speaker 1: some sort. I'm it's like what if instead of the
Speaker 1: original round, cute faced cartoon character, it was like a
Speaker 1: a fish skeleton mixed with like Pete Davidson, Like it
Speaker 1: feels like they go what they've gone with.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm just never I'm I you know, I am.
Speaker 5: I'll say this like, you know, happy for Halle Bailey,
Speaker 5: like getting out there and becoming the star, even a
Speaker 5: bigger star than she already is. Like this is of
Speaker 5: course a huge moment for her. We will see some
Speaker 5: awesome the music that will come out of this will
Speaker 5: be amazing, much like The Lion King. The music coming
Speaker 5: out of that was amazing. But just stop it with
Speaker 5: the animals, like what are you?
Speaker 2: What is? I don't like we can you can't do
Speaker 2: you do? Just no?
Speaker 4: One Like I wouldn't care if Flounder looked all cute
Speaker 4: in the live action version, like.
Speaker 2: That's a weird That's the one thing I feel like
Speaker 2: people are like, yo, fine, didn't need to be that
Speaker 2: real find.
Speaker 5: Finding Nemo that ship just it's okay if it's a
Speaker 5: little pick Sarry, just you you you own that, do it.
Speaker 4: Nobody's out here being like man Mermaids is real. It
Speaker 4: is not how they would be interacting with the undersea
Speaker 4: life out of here man, Like, I'm fine with the
Speaker 4: the Mermaids, but don't freak, don't. I don't want to
Speaker 4: look like I'm seeing some ship that washed up on
Speaker 4: the Santa Monica beach.
Speaker 2: True, yeah, you know what I mean. Like this Flounder, look,
Speaker 2: he looks busted.
Speaker 4: Bus he looks like he's got a problem. They say
Speaker 4: he look like Steve Buscemi, I think is what they're
Speaker 4: saying on Twitter.
Speaker 1: There are cuter like with Flounder, I was like, maybe
Speaker 1: they'll find you know, as Katie Golden has pointed out
Speaker 1: on Twitter, there are a cute fish like they're a
Speaker 1: parent fish that as long as you're not too freaked
Speaker 1: out by the fact that they have a set of
Speaker 1: human teeth up front, which you know takes.
Speaker 2: A little while to get over. But they they're goofy.
Speaker 1: They they do fun stuff like they're but they were
Speaker 1: just like, nope, huh huh, it's gonna look like.
Speaker 2: They've seen some shit.
Speaker 1: They're gonna make it look like Flounder has seen some
Speaker 1: dark shit.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: Also, in my in my own fear of not giving
Speaker 5: people enough credit, like the three D animators who are
Speaker 5: given these jobs to work on these specific things obviously
Speaker 5: do incredible work and the ship looks awesome, but it
Speaker 5: is a effort completely in vain in that you are
Speaker 5: trying to recreate an emotion that is incapturable and it's
Speaker 5: ready animated space. When you're trying to make something look
Speaker 5: quote unquote real, you just can't under smile whole point.
Speaker 5: That was the whole point of Disney movies. In the
Speaker 5: first place. They had options. Sebastian was a no win.
Speaker 5: By the way, you can't make win crabs. Crab never
Speaker 5: looked at anything like other things. That's not a bug
Speaker 5: a bug. Yeah, Sea Spider and the Sebastian gonna rip
Speaker 5: his own arm off. No, but that's what they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do when they're in when they're in a
Speaker 2: bit of a spot, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm grow that that that I will forgive it.
Speaker 5: If Sebastian rips his own arm off this movie, give
Speaker 5: me that terrify.
Speaker 2: Some children teach these, teach them about Arthur Potts.
Speaker 1: So up to this point you might be saying, all right, guys,
Speaker 1: but like these are huge movies, and like it takes
Speaker 1: you know, nostalgia has a cycle. Ghostbusters Too came out
Speaker 1: in June of eighty nine, and later this year. I
Speaker 1: didn't know this. We're getting the seque Ghostbusters Afterlife. They're
Speaker 1: doing a sequel to that, and and this sequel takes
Speaker 1: them to New York City, so they're really.
Speaker 2: Baby yeah wow, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: There's also the new Ninja Turtles animated movie, which, even
Speaker 1: though the original Ninja Turtles movie didn't come out until
Speaker 1: ninety like, eighty nine was the year of full blown
Speaker 1: Ninja Turtles like this was when the cereal was introduced
Speaker 1: to the TV show The Video Games. By the way,
Speaker 1: this detail on the Ninja Turtle cereal I had forgotten.
Speaker 1: The cereal was described on the box as crunchy sweetened
Speaker 1: Ninja nets with Ninja Turtle marshmallows. Pizza shaped marshmallows were
Speaker 1: later added. The ninja net cereal pieces looked suspiciously similar
Speaker 1: to checks, so they were just like, oh, yeah, these
Speaker 1: are ninja nets, you know. Yeah, you know how one
Speaker 1: of the Ninja turtles has a net with them at
Speaker 1: all times?
Speaker 2: Yep, do this.
Speaker 4: I love that marketing person like, well, obviously we're just
Speaker 4: making this with loose checks and we're adding on marshmallows,
Speaker 4: like what you can call these?
Speaker 1: It could have just go and talking about the similarity
Speaker 1: between wheedies and like turtle food, you know, right, flaky
Speaker 1: that flaky like fish turtle food. There's also on TV
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, we're getting well, Rosanne is already here,
Speaker 1: Quantum Leap is here. Doogie Howser dropping The second season.
Speaker 2: Was Doogie Howser eighty nine.
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, is it Who's the Boss reboot
Speaker 1: in the works? They watch remake that nobody asked for
Speaker 1: even matt Lock is coming back.
Speaker 5: Mattl really yeah, aren't the old Well, I don't know more.
Speaker 5: Isn't anybody who watched Matt Lock probably you know, not
Speaker 5: with us anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm still here, man, That's what I've been saying for years.
Speaker 1: Matt Lock fans, we are still here.
Speaker 4: You're gonna be on the watch list because Joe Biden
Speaker 4: is still our president in facts. Okay, ye favorite show.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Yeah, he's still here. No,
Speaker 2: you went wrong? Yeah, wrong? Like even like.
Speaker 1: The reuniting of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck was about
Speaker 1: like the invention of the Air Jordan, which was, you know,
Speaker 1: probably hitting its original peak popularity in like eighty nine.
Speaker 1: It's it's just yeah, we're stuck. It's fine, it is,
Speaker 1: It's what what it is.
Speaker 2: Did you guys see Air? I did, Miles, No, I
Speaker 2: heard Michael Jordan wasn't in it, so I said fuck that. Yeah.
Speaker 5: He has one quote unquote one line where he says, hello,
Speaker 5: I loved it. I loved Air. I thought it was
Speaker 5: great Jack.
Speaker 2: Did you I did not damn did not care. I
Speaker 2: remember him saying interesting week.
Speaker 4: I wanted to like it, so iron this out, iron
Speaker 4: this out right?
Speaker 2: Now? Yeah? What what? What didn't you like about it?
Speaker 5: Because I'm totally I mean obviously I'm completely open to that,
Speaker 5: and you know, and but we know how toxic you
Speaker 5: can get when we start debating movies.
Speaker 2: Oh I get toxic breath first. We know you, we
Speaker 2: know it. It just I don't know, it felt thin
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: Like it opened with a montage of like eighties nostalgia
Speaker 1: that just felt like it could have been on Like
Speaker 1: like all the needle drops were just like so down
Speaker 1: the middle eighties hit songs, the characters watch Men movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that, the speech, the climactic speech that Matt Damon
Speaker 1: gives to Michael Jordan, like didn't really, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just didn't resonate with me as somebody who's like, okay,
Speaker 1: you have Michael Jordan about like the way that he
Speaker 1: discovers he's great is by watching and rewatching the tape
Speaker 1: of him hitting the game winning shot in the championship game.
Speaker 1: And then like that's the only footage, Like what what
Speaker 1: did they only license a single piece of footage Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan playing?
Speaker 5: Because well, they wasted all that money on licensing all
Speaker 5: those songs, so it's kind of late that to go.
Speaker 2: Where was it going to be? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just felt like there was not It's I think
Speaker 1: it's part partially like as a person who grew up
Speaker 1: around basketball and who like I don't know, like has
Speaker 1: like red books about like Jordan and what makes him
Speaker 1: different and stuff like that, it just felt shallow, inductive, reductive.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that is a completely fair take.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think you were going to say, Okay, like that's
Speaker 2: some old head ass take.
Speaker 5: No, I mean I think I think it's completely fair
Speaker 5: because honestly, one of my favorite things about it is
Speaker 5: that it's short. Yeah, I love that it's quick, because
Speaker 5: the whole thing is my thing about the movie is
Speaker 5: that if you go into that movie, I don't think
Speaker 5: there's anybody who's watching that movie unless you are like
Speaker 5: Jack and someone who has grown up with basketball or
Speaker 5: is intimately a yeah exactly, it's just intimately familiar with
Speaker 5: like listening about how they go shoutout MOUs Jack on my booty,
Speaker 5: but like intimately familiar with the I don't know, the
Speaker 5: shoe game of any time before the nineties. It's like
Speaker 5: your association with Michael Jordan is probably like entwined with Nike,
Speaker 5: Like you probably don't even see Mike, don't. You don't
Speaker 5: think of Michael with any other shoe period. So if
Speaker 5: you're watching that movie, you're thinking about that or like
Speaker 5: getting to the end, like well, I mean, I know
Speaker 5: what's going to happen, Like what is there even? I
Speaker 5: know who this guy is exactly, I know who this
Speaker 5: guy is. What is even what is even the point
Speaker 5: of this? So the fact that it was so kind
Speaker 5: of like short and to the point, and just I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, if I'm being real, I mean Phil Knight
Speaker 5: and some of his business practices I think are of
Speaker 5: course deplorable and.
Speaker 1: Political giving practices, but they use like the Nike mottos,
Speaker 1: like the core mottos that like he has up on
Speaker 1: his wall of like job's not done, n till it's done,
Speaker 1: and like all this stuff they use that as like
Speaker 1: they they cut to that as like little chirons that
Speaker 1: they show you in between scenes. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just felt like spiritually empty to me to like
Speaker 1: tell this story about It's like, wow, Nike almost didn't
Speaker 1: become the massive international behemoth that is doing damage all
Speaker 1: over the.
Speaker 5: Like it already was right, It's just that it didn't
Speaker 5: become even bigger.
Speaker 2: So is the movie. But so Jack the movie good
Speaker 2: on an airplane. I think it would be a good
Speaker 2: airplane watch.
Speaker 1: I also think I might watch it again with my
Speaker 1: wife and be like, oh, I actually enjoy this.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It was just I think ninety percent of my movie
Speaker 1: takes are like, yeah, I just wasn't like in a
Speaker 1: great mood. Wasn't like feeling that movie at that time.
Speaker 1: You know, I will tell you I'd come full circle
Speaker 1: on this take.
Speaker 2: I like it. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I will say that. One of my least favorite things
Speaker 5: about the show The Bear is how much they're constantly.
Speaker 2: Like Chicago, this is shut Ago.
Speaker 5: And the beginning of the of Air, I was watching
Speaker 5: it just like do you have to hammer this so
Speaker 5: hard to make the point? Because it's not like the
Speaker 5: rest of the movie isn't trying to hammer that point
Speaker 5: home the entire time. It's like, at no point you're like,
Speaker 5: I wonder what time this movie.
Speaker 2: Said myles.
Speaker 1: There's like a montage with people like doing Rubik's cubes.
Speaker 2: It's really.
Speaker 8: It's too long. It is too long and too just
Speaker 8: like well, you know, because you know what it is.
Speaker 8: It's it's not I think in the end it's not.
Speaker 8: It's like for us but not really yes, because we
Speaker 8: were there, Dude, I don't need this fucking recap. But
Speaker 8: I'm sure for like younger people who would see it
Speaker 8: like what the wow?
Speaker 2: What is what was this time?
Speaker 5: And I think that's I almost want to say, like
Speaker 5: that is what I feel, like studio notes due to
Speaker 5: a movie, because like I feel the same way about
Speaker 5: like any show that's about video games or something. You're
Speaker 5: watching the show and just like this is annoyingly.
Speaker 2: What is this video gang? Exactly?
Speaker 5: This is annoyingly hitting the hammer on the head. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I've heard a pack man, thank you?
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I don't know, because like I like the
Speaker 1: social network despite the fact that, like, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think Facebook is cool.
Speaker 2: You love like the fact that I like watched.
Speaker 1: This and like wasn't on board with like loving Phil
Speaker 1: Knight and Sonny Baccaro like that, I've I've done that before.
Speaker 1: I've liked it before. It was just like something just
Speaker 1: felt like pet and sort of lazy about it to me.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look, this is our time, because clearly,
Speaker 4: if this feels with all this stuff coming back around.
Speaker 4: I mean it's like it's like partial studio and network laziness.
Speaker 4: And the other part is like more millennial aged people
Speaker 4: probably influencing things too, like on someone you know that
Speaker 4: would you know that shit would go although they should
Speaker 4: be hiring us because we got some real ideas over here.
Speaker 1: Yeah well yeah, and also this I take like it
Speaker 1: as far as film, like the film industry is concerned,
Speaker 1: is objectively wrong. The like it got an a Cinema score.
Speaker 1: Everybody seems to really love this movie except for me,
Speaker 1: So I'm not. And I've listened to like even the
Speaker 1: people from like blank Check and The Flagrant Ones, like
Speaker 1: all those people like this movie. So I just I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: It's fine what you you as an individual, that's what.
Speaker 2: That's what. That's how you took it. That's how it goes.
Speaker 1: No, I'm bad, I'm bad.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't even feel something bad about me. So well,
Speaker 2: then if you're bad, then I'm Wesley Snipes. Hey, you
Speaker 2: think you're bad?
Speaker 4: What are they going to put that ship out there?
Speaker 8: That?
Speaker 2: Who directed that? Was that?
Speaker 1: Who directed the bad video? I feel like it was
Speaker 1: Scorsese or something like that.
Speaker 2: Uh, it was Yeah.
Speaker 1: Scorsese directed The Bad Wow Holy Ship.
Speaker 2: That was eighty seven. Eighty seven, What a time to
Speaker 2: be alive. Well, Miles, mm hmm, I mean so much
Speaker 2: for having me.
Speaker 1: Yes, Miles, such a pleasure around show.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can find him all right.
Speaker 1: That's gonna do it. For this week's weekly Zeitgeist, Please
Speaker 1: like and review the show if you like the show.
Speaker 1: Uh means the world to Miles. He he needs your validation.
Speaker 2: Folks.
Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will
Speaker 1: talk to you Monday. Bye.