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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 2: Miles.

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Speaker 1: We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat

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Speaker 1: by a writer, producer, host, behind Vogues, Breathless column Sledever

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Speaker 1: on Viceland, Stars is Now Apocalypse, and the new podcast

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Speaker 1: Sanctum on Mask. Please welcome to this show, Cartly Shortinaarl.

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Speaker 3: So much. I'm honored to be on the pod, honestly.

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Speaker 1: Oh honored to have you honor us with your presence.

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Speaker 2: What's good? How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm great. I just walked my jog. Now I'm sitting

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Speaker 3: here my house. You know, being a writer, this is

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Speaker 3: what being a writer.

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Speaker 1: Is, I think, just sitting at home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what part of what part of the Where are

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Speaker 2: you at? What part of earth are you coming to

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Speaker 2: us from?

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Speaker 3: I recently moved to Laurel Canyon. Where do you guys live?

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: My address is one one two zero one Street. That's right.

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Speaker 2: I'm right there, Yeah, I'm right there in the valley.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I lived in the valley for

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Speaker 3: a long time. I'm close. I'm close.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 3: I missed like I like the big parking lots, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, parking is you know, that's the thing we've got.

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Speaker 4: We're not fighting over parking spots, and we never have

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Speaker 4: that thing where we're put off by going somewhere in

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Speaker 4: the valley because there's no parking. People are just usually

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Speaker 4: put off by coming to the valley in general. Sadly,

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Speaker 4: but this is my home.

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Speaker 1: And Carly, your new show is about a LA based

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Speaker 1: sex club. It's about l a about the sanctum which

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Speaker 1: is not spelled leg gets pronounced. But yeah, is a

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Speaker 1: really really cool story. Eyes Wide Shut was real there

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Speaker 1: for a number of years.

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Speaker 3: Basically. Yes, So it's about this sex club called Sang

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Speaker 3: Dam which launched in twenty thirteen, and it was this

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Speaker 3: this guy, Damon Wanner, was a million dollars in debt.

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Speaker 3: He watched It's the classic story. He was up late

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Speaker 3: one night, couldn't sleep, watched Eyes Wide Shot. You know

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Speaker 3: the iconic sex team, the Illuminati Sex Party. Have you

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Speaker 3: ever seen it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, baby did a bad, bad thing that was

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Speaker 4: in the trailer I remember for yes, that was.

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Speaker 1: Just that one singular icy piano key. This is how

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Speaker 1: I wake my children up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The day has begun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's he watched that and he was like, that

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Speaker 3: would be cool if that existed. You know, there's like

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Speaker 3: all these terrifying powerful men like wearing masks, sleeping with

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Speaker 3: models and with like weird ominous chanting in the background,

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Speaker 3: like maybe I should make that exist. And then he

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Speaker 3: actually did it. And I mean at the club's peak

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Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, the most expensive yearly membership was four

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Jeez.

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Speaker 1: So it's just got out of debt. Got out of

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Speaker 1: that million dollars a debt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like billionaires and celebrities like LARPing, Game

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Speaker 3: of Thrones, like blood Oats, Initiation, ritual sex party, Beverly Hills,

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Speaker 3: Hollywood messiness. If you're in that, that's the long line.

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Speaker 4: No, that's you got my attention. Anytime it's people LARPing

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Speaker 4: that kind of wild suit. It's always interesting to see

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Speaker 4: people like act out whatever weird sordid fantasies they have

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Speaker 4: in their minds and like fully come I mean not

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Speaker 4: insane like, and that's great for them.

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Speaker 2: I love that for them. But yeah, we'll billionaires go LARPing.

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Speaker 1: People get hurt usually, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we're LARPing.

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Speaker 1: This film the most dangerous game. Would you like to

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Speaker 1: come out to my island that I own for the weekend?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's cool.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy story or we're thrilled to have you. People

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Speaker 1: should go check it out. What is something from your

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Speaker 5: All right, I'm gonna take you guys on a journey

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Speaker 5: here because the search history that I have here is

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Speaker 5: the end of my journey. But I want to see

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Speaker 5: if you guys can get there with me. So I'm

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Speaker 5: going to sing you a tune right now, and I

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Speaker 5: the top of your head. Okay, yeah, mm hmm boo

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Speaker 5: do Do Do Do Do Do Do doo.

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Speaker 2: Baby elephant Walk.

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Speaker 5: Fucking nailed that ship, well done. I had that tune

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Speaker 5: stuck in my head the other day. Couldn't remember what

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Speaker 4: So Dan podcast, okay, with nothing to do except no

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Speaker 4: useless shit like that song is.

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Speaker 2: Called baby Elephant Walk.

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Speaker 5: Now, now, not to call you out, but Jack did

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Speaker 5: you know that off the top of your head.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I I was getting there. I was like

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Speaker 1: the first step on a one hundred step journey to

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Speaker 5: So here's the here's the journey I took via Google

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Speaker 5: Search to find that song. Yeah, classic honky honk type songs,

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Speaker 5: wrong honky to I don't think of that as exactly wrong.

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Speaker 5: That classic song that has flute and horns also wrong.

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Speaker 5: Song from Austin Powers was not in that movie. Now

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Speaker 5: here's where I took a lot. I totally thought it

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Speaker 5: was though. I was like, yeah, that's right. Was a

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Speaker 5: song walking through City?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 5: In my head, I was like, I feel like walk

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Speaker 5: is in the name of the song or something like that,

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Speaker 5: And I was right. I was close. But song walking

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Speaker 5: through City not helpful. And then we get to my

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Speaker 5: actual search Shazam you can sing into because I was

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Speaker 5: so tired of doing this bullshit that I was like,

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Speaker 5: I just have to solve this by someone telling me

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Speaker 5: what it is, and Shazam is insufficient for that. Now,

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Speaker 5: did you guys know that the Google app will let

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Speaker 5: you sing into it and it will find the song?

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Speaker 2: So it worked. It worked.

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Speaker 5: I sang into Google and the first thing that came

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Speaker 5: up baby Elephant Walk by Henry Mancini. There it is

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Speaker 5: what humbled me a little bit was that it said,

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Speaker 5: act you're a little pitchy, Doug twelve percent.

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Speaker 5: I was like, I mean, I appreciate you getting it,

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Speaker 5: but you did not have to drag me like that.

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Speaker 1: Twelve You're kind of all over the place. You're all

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Speaker 1: tell that this is what you're doing. Just don't do

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Speaker 1: that in front of anybody with my note. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think my man did the pink Panther theme too.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh wow, that's right. Yeah, good call. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, shazam, you can sing into and gang. If

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Speaker 5: you're like me and you have a tune stuck in

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Speaker 5: your head, just pull up that baby girl Google and

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Speaker 5: sing right into her and then boom, you got yourself

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Speaker 5: baby baby else walk.

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Speaker 2: You could have just called me man. You could have

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Speaker 5: No, I could You're right, I could have, And maybe

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Speaker 5: That's what I'll do from now on instead of to Google.

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Speaker 4: So there was a dram when I like was so

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Speaker 4: into those like just songs that you hear all the time,

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Speaker 4: but didn't know what they were called. And like, well,

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Speaker 4: back in the early days of iTunes, I had a

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Speaker 4: playlist with all like those those weird tracks on there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And a lot of Herb Albert tracks are on

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Speaker 4: there too, because like there's the songs you kind of hear, like, wait,

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Speaker 4: what is this one? What are some of the Herb

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Speaker 4: Albert like in the Tiajuana brass, like Zorba the Greek?

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Speaker 2: Do you want to tack? I feel like I'm in that.

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Speaker 1: Uh. I think you should leave sketch with Hedacre oh man.

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Speaker 1: Also the brass with a crank in it. Also do

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Speaker 1: the the thing that is from a Biggie Biggie Biggie

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Speaker 2: Uh huh that's Herb Alpert. That's Herb Alpert. Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, so I know that I'm I'm yeah, I was

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Speaker 4: really into that kind of And when you said song

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Speaker 4: with horns and the flude, I said the intro of Tears.

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Speaker 2: Of a Clown. They anyway got smoky on the brain.

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Speaker 1: What where is that song from the Baby Elephant Walk?

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Speaker 2: Like? Where where would people have recognized it?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: I look it up?

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Speaker 5: It was actually in an episode of The Simpsons, in

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Speaker 5: the Dance and Homer episode. Yeah, but it was from

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Speaker 5: some it was it was written for some movie that

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Speaker 5: where I must have remembered.

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Speaker 2: It from Hatari, the nineteen sixty two film.

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Speaker 5: There you go that I undoubtedly have seen hundreds of times.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, I have not.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I knew it from like The Simpsons

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Speaker 4: and then just it being like throwaway music that people use.

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Speaker 6: For like comedic bits exactly. Okay, that and Spanish fille

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Speaker 1: I know that one. That's like the whole music when

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Speaker 1: and then they like to like we'll be right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Binga, what is what something you think is overrated?

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Speaker 7: The British monarchy?

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, what not?

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Speaker 1: On this podcast, we are a monarchist, We are royal watchers.

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Speaker 2: We love them King Chuck aye a I as we

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. The interesting thing is, and I'm asking both of

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Speaker 7: you this because I'm confused. Sure, as far as I know,

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Speaker 7: America fought a bloody war to separate itself from the

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Speaker 7: British monarchy. But American media, American public is obsessed, obsessed, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: and I don't get it why because honestly, I mean,

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Speaker 7: monarchy is what racism on steroids and are still so

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Speaker 7: intrigued by it?

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Speaker 1: Right, just answered your own question, racism on steroids and

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Speaker 1: out in the open and with fancy stuff.

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Speaker 2: America.

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Speaker 1: Racism loves money and you know.

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Speaker 4: Loves yeah, and loves like just terribly concentrated power in

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Speaker 4: the hands of a very interesting looking group of people.

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Speaker 1: Billionaires. They love, billionaires who didn't do shit to get

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Speaker 1: kind of fits. But yeah, I oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And also there's like just this romanticism I think of

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Speaker 4: like just being like, oh, like like Americans feel like

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Speaker 4: that's the fancy for like something.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: There's like an aspirational aspect to it, I think too,

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Speaker 4: in this weird way from like it's classy to think

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Speaker 4: that the king, like the monarchy is cool versus Joe

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's to each their own, I mean, I definitely.

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Speaker 7: I mean when I think of them. I think of

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Speaker 7: I don't know, loot told yeah, and people who invaded

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Speaker 4: And we've also never gone to couples therapy, so we're

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Speaker 4: of this, like the the heavy hand of white supremacy

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00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 4: that looms over everything in this country.

438
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Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, that's not how its doesn't exist.

439
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 4: Said you were saying, how this ideology even a tracks

440
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 4: people of other races and cultures. You know, he posted

441
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 4: a meme that basically said, like, when you're Hispanic, like,

442
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 4: it's like a fork in the road, and on one

443
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 4: side it says act black and the other said, become

444
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 4: a white supremacist. And that just kind of shows you

445
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 4: what his entire worldview is of what your perceived options are,

446
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 4: if there's even such an idea of options for how

447
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 4: you live your life. But that was his very specific worldview,

448
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 4: that was that was the shooter. That was the shooter,

449
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Speaker 4: Yeah posted.

450
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Speaker 1: I actually couldn't tell if that was the shooter or

451
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Speaker 1: Elon Musk. That's where we're at at this point.

452
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Speaker 2: No truly, and I mean he was also parroting the

453
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: same thing.

454
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Speaker 4: It was like, well, I much like really but again fine,

455
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 4: like this is this is why he bought the website

456
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 4: to bring even more nonsense and misinformation to the masses

457
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Speaker 4: and normalize that.

458
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Speaker 1: It's really like getting to a point where it's systematic.

459
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Speaker 1: He's doing it frequently, constantly, and just in the most

460
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Speaker 1: bad faith way as possible.

461
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

462
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Speaker 7: But what's worse is that a lot of people in

463
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Speaker 7: America will buy into the narratives, whether they're coming from

464
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Speaker 7: Republicans or Elon Musk. And that's more problematic than anything else. Right,

465
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Speaker 7: Why are people buying into it yet? Because they want

466
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Speaker 7: to maintain their racial hierarchy. It's as simply as not.

467
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Speaker 7: There's nothing else to it, right, I mean, yeah, oversimplified,

468
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Speaker 7: But one of the major reasons why people are so

469
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 7: hung up on these narratives and they don't want to

470
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Speaker 7: let go is because they don't want to give up

471
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Speaker 7: on their racial hierarchy, whatever form it takes, right.

472
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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, Because it's like, well, at least I have

473
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Speaker 4: that I have no world yet in a world of

474
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Speaker 4: limited options, we at least I have my whiteness and

475
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Speaker 4: I can lord that over people and still feel good

476
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Speaker 4: about myself because I'm in the white head Christian group

477
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Speaker 4: or whatever it is that's become very attractive to these

478
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Speaker 4: people recently.

479
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's talk about drag queens and the military.

480
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Speaker 1: The Navy is despite you know, Tom Cruise's best efforts

481
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Speaker 1: and Top Gun two, they did a whole Top Gun which,

482
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Speaker 1: like the last time they did it, it's naval recruitment,

483
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: like naval recruitment shot through the roof. This time. The

484
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: movie was a massive hit, but everyone was like it

485
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: was fun to watch. I'm not going to join the

486
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Speaker 1: Navy now still major.

487
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Speaker 2: What's that sid you see the volleyball? Yeah, I don't

488
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Speaker 2: want to join.

489
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean this one had a two way football,

490
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: so I think it was as high waisted jeans that

491
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: fucked people up there like that. But so they're they're

492
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Speaker 1: trying new things. They're doing like a social media like

493
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Speaker 1: influencer campaign with active duty officers and one of them

494
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Speaker 1: is a drag queen, Harpy Daniels, that is one of

495
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Speaker 1: five people tapped to be one of the Navy's new

496
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Speaker 1: digital Ambassadors, which, by the.

497
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Speaker 2: Way, not a paying gig.

498
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, really, it's just they they get to help

499
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Speaker 1: the military because well, you have done stand military only

500
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: has more funding than anything in America.

501
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: So we're dealing with for this sort of thing.

502
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Speaker 1: Yeah Jesus, But people on the right predictably freaked the

503
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Speaker 1: fuck out. One of the Seal team's six guys tweeted,

504
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: I can't believe I focked for this bullshit. This is

505
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: the same guy who probably tweeted a photo of himself

506
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Speaker 1: on a flight with no mask on during the thick

507
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Speaker 1: of the pandemic with the caption I'm not.

508
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Speaker 2: A pussy, yep, because science is for that.

509
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, whatever, that's cool, man, I'm sure you're probably

510
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 4: I know you haven't spent much time thinking about how

511
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 4: the United States military used you in service of a big,

512
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 4: big oil grab over there.

513
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Speaker 2: But hey, it's all good. You're not a pussy. I'm

514
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Speaker 2: not a pussy.

515
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Speaker 1: I'll kill your grandmother for the right to not be

516
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Speaker 1: inconvenienced while watching the movie yesterday and eating a bag

517
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Speaker 1: of piny pretzels. That's how tough I am. Yeah, yeah,

518
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Speaker 1: I don't know the right. People on the right are

519
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Speaker 1: claiming it will only hurt recruitment because drag queen shows

520
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Speaker 1: have no place in our military.

521
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Speaker 4: Hold on, I even know that's so far off, okay,

522
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 4: go on, yeah, yeah, a history lesson there.

523
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Speaker 1: I mean, we'll start with more recently, they're hugely popular

524
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: drag show on military basis. In twenty fifteen, positively reported

525
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 1: on by that liberal rag Stars and Stripes the military

526
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: Internal military publication apparently like they couldn't print enough tickets

527
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Speaker 1: for this show, which was six service members, gay, lesbian

528
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: and straight, wearing heavy makeup to dance and lip sync

529
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: songs such as I Want to Dance with Somebody. It's

530
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Speaker 1: funny like they're describing like a drag show, like they're

531
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Speaker 1: hearing about it for the first time. Six service members

532
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: donned heavy makeup to dance and lipshink songs all.

533
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Speaker 2: And different names than they're usuals.

534
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Speaker 1: And then there's just like a long history of this,

535
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: like going back to the men wearing quote exaggerated feminine attired.

536
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 1: Feminine attire dates back to the eighteen hundreds and the Navy.

537
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: Drag shows were a huge part of military culture during

538
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: World War Two. Shows put on by soldiers included girly

539
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: segments where gruffgi is dressed in two two's well still

540
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: wearing their army boots. There were comedic routines in which

541
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: soldiers impersonated female stars of the period, and it's not.

542
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: It's like when you read the writing about it, like

543
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: the people are it's not like this is ridiculous, it's

544
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: funny because it's ridiculous. They're like they brought a boot

545
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: of beauty to the like performances, and like we're very skilled,

546
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: and so it's just I don't know, it's a we've

547
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: gone backwards somehow to a place where like you can't

548
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: appreciate this and any act of inclusivity has to be

549
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: part of some massive conspiracy that.

550
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: You're not in on. According to these people, it's.

551
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 4: Just wild to like think of the like it does

552
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: whatever anything that they see is falling under like the

553
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 4: woke umbrella, they'll immediately lose their shit over, even if

554
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 4: it's something that like already has enough momentum culturally within

555
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 4: like the things that they're into, like the fucking military,

556
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 4: and they'll be like, oh no, no, what's this. It's like, Yeah,

557
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 4: I did drag when I was when I was enlisted,

558
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 4: but that was different.

559
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah that was fucking different, okay.

560
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 4: Or when my grandfather did in World War two, that

561
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 4: was because they it was different. It was stressful during wartime.

562
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 4: Now this stuff, I don't know, it's just a bridge

563
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 4: too far.

564
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: Entertainers were not stigmatized because of their perceived or real

565
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: sexual identities. Instead, the feminine nature of the illusionists and

566
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: characterists acts were held up as beautiful. That is from

567
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: a feminist work of theory call Oh wait, no, that's

568
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: just from the National World War Two Museum, right, yeah,

569
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: that's it's just it was. They weren't fucking assholes at

570
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: the time. It turns out there are literally pictures of

571
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: men in dresses gunning down Nazi planes because they were

572
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: in the middle of a drag show and got interrupted

573
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Speaker 1: by a German air raid and had to go out,

574
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: and you know, man, giant guns on the side of

575
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: these fucking warships and yeah, yeah, people are like that

576
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Hey man, that's pretty cool.

577
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: Hey, that's pretty cool.

578
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 4: If only Tom Cruise didn't fuck us over with this

579
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 4: latest top gun, you wouldn't have to resort to this stuff.

580
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: I mean it's just wild though, too.

581
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 4: Like they're in this thing where they're trying to figure

582
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: out how to get more recruits, and they're trying to

583
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 4: do things that would seemingly say like hey, we're in

584
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 4: like maybe you want to join, and don't look into

585
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 4: the part where maybe you're going to get caught up

586
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: and fighting a war, like an empirical war for us.

587
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: But hey, this is something I don't know. It just

588
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 4: baffles me the recruitment strategy overall, and also not really

589
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 4: understanding that most young people are just not interested in

590
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 4: military service as they learn that, like, you know, when

591
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 4: you come back as a veteran, doesn't seem like the

592
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 4: care is too great, and on top of it, like

593
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 4: what if you're end up you know a lot of

594
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: the people that they're looking for are people who are

595
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 4: the most financially desperate to end up serving and things

596
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 4: like that that they're just you know, they're still I

597
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 4: don't know, it's just maybe they can attract them with.

598
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: Movie stuff, Yeah, taking care of veterans that that would

599
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: be uh interesting recruitment tactic. Maybe if it's pitched to

600
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: them that way, they would actually right, Yeah.

601
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 4: Like, well, I've seen have you seen that one commercial

602
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 4: where I think that people are like these like sort

603
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 4: of millennial as people are like around a campfire and

604
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 4: like they're talking about how they own homes and it's

605
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 4: because they're in the military, and they're like what they're like, yeah,

606
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 4: because the military and like they're sort of using that

607
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 4: sort of carrot on a stick now, like home ownership

608
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 4: to like inspiring Listen, maybe.

609
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you can go to I feel

610
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 3: like you can go to cor Right, That's why historically,

611
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: like poor people have joined the military because you can

612
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: get a college education. But I don't know how that.

613
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe that then leads to home ownership, but

614
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: I don't know. Most of my friends who have college

615
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: education stone own home. So I don't think it works

616
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: that way. Honestly.

617
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 4: I think that's why they're like, see do it this way?

618
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, here it is here. I'll just play for you.

619
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: It's it's it's like.

620
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 7: We're getting that house.

621
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: We told you guys about you're buying a house.

622
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 7: Ye, soldiers get be a loan guarantees youah, no money down.

623
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: Well, my office gives us free bagels. It's kind of funny. Actually, Okay,

624
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: so it's about loan. It's about it's a great joke.

625
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: It's about loans.

626
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, we can get sick loans, but hey,

627
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 4: I get bagels.

628
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: Interesting loans.

629
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

630
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: All right, well let's take a quick break. We'll come

631
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: back and talk about Guardians of the Galaxy three.

632
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: Fuck you.

633
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're back, and so is the year nineteen

634
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: eighty nine. This summers to be the biggest movie summer

635
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: in years because of the pandemic. Obviously, think my best

636
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: year pretty quiet. So yeah, they got years old.

637
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, killing I have Batman bike shorts I will wear

638
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: every day.

639
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: My parents had Latman bike shorts.

640
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: Is such a specific butt like that was. That was

641
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: when Axel Rose started wearing bike shorts as like just

642
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: a thing like T shirt bike shorts and yep, damn

643
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: that was like, well, I guess that's okay. I had

644
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: Batman logos going all up the side of the leg.

645
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: I remember my parents like I would fall asleep and

646
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: they would have to take them off of me because

647
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, these are my pajamas.

648
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 2: Also yeah, and like I just part of me anyway.

649
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: Wow, So I think that year did make a mark,

650
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: and the you know, brain trusted Hollywood has looked at

651
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: the metrics and we're like, we're just gonna do that

652
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: one over again, because yeah, so biggest movie of the year.

653
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: As Miles mentioned, as Miles head on his child hips

654
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: on his child legs Batman, so shout out legs.

655
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Speaker 2: So that in place of Batman.

656
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: We are getting The Flash, a new movie that, according

657
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: to the trailers, is just basically Michael Keaton as Batman again,

658
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: Like it's full up of like Michael Keaton saying I'm Batman,

659
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: and like his first line in the movie also, you

660
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: want to get nuts, Let's get nuts, which I guess

661
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: is a line from the first one. I forgot that.

662
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you are my number one. I remember that.

663
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: Wait, but does Michael Keaton say you want to get nuts,

664
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: Let's get nuts or the Jokers line?

665
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, it feels like no, yeah, wow.

666
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: He's like his Bruce Wayne is a little It's like

667
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: I would not want to I guess that's true of

668
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: all Bruce Bruce's Wayne, but just a guy I wouldn't

669
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: want to hang out with.

670
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: It seems seems like a billionaire with like trauma.

671
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 4: That's like he could he could just go to maybe

672
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 4: a couple of therapy sessions which collects old weapons.

673
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

674
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyways, that's coming back. People are like, oh

675
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: my god, it's amazing. Second biggest movie of nineteen eighty

676
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: nine was Indiana Jones in the Last Crusade. This year

677
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: we have what, will, according to Harrison Ford, be the

678
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: last Indiana Jones movie again. I think he said that

679
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: about Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

680
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: Again.

681
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: They have just wildly missed on the name that they've

682
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: given it. Like the first three were all all made

683
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: sense to me. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull to much.

684
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: This one, the Dial of Destiny. Does that do anything

685
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: for you, guys?

686
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 4: No, No, that sounds like it sounds like you would

687
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: do something for a seventy year old person.

688
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 5: I was gonna say that also sounds like a bad

689
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 5: rom com title. Dial Destiny there want to call Away?

690
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 4: I have to I've forgot to mention this when you

691
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 4: re brought up the Flash movie. There was an article

692
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 4: that was going around last week because Ezra Miller, you know,

693
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 4: they got all this fucking legal trouble and like all

694
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 4: these allegations that we've heard constantly about and we've seen

695
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 4: it on video ourselves of if this person just acting

696
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 4: wild in public, truly, why the fucking The production designer

697
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 4: of the film said that the film, Oh hold on,

698
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: I just have to I just have to find.

699
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 2: This this ship.

700
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 5: How do you how do you even come out and

701
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 5: say this? How do you say this?

702
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 4: Basically said that the film looks so good that quote,

703
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: people will forget, They're like this that they will forget

704
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 4: their history of abuse because the movie looks so lit.

705
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 5: How do you throw yourself under the buzz Like, what

706
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 5: is the point of falling on someone else's sword to

707
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 5: be like, no, no, no, it's chill. All that bad shit

708
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 5: they did. You're gonna forget about that? Yeah, what's the point.

709
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 4: Because people were just asking, they said in this article,

710
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: this interview with the CBC, this guy, Paul Osterbury said.

711
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 4: Oscar Bay says he's not too concerned about how the

712
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 4: story surrounding Miller will affect the film.

713
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: People will forget that.

714
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: This film could star Woody Allen and everyone would still

715
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: go because.

716
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: That's how it looks. That's how good the production design was.

717
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: That's wild.

718
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyways, we got Dial of Destiny, which I'm

719
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: pretty sure the Last Crusade was built as like the

720
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: last Indiana Jones movie, So they're doing the exact same

721
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: move as they did in nineteen eighty nine. Also coming

722
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: out The Little Mermaid, Disney's remake of a movie that

723
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: came out in fall of nineteen eighty nine, and what

724
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: like if the previous live action remakes of Disney films

725
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: have taught us anything, it's that they will not be

726
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: adding much no to this, like they don't change now

727
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: a whole lot. This is just a skinning of like

728
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: the original film with live actors and better performers.

729
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 4: I think I think we're gonna get some good I mean,

730
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 4: the performances out of it will be better. At the

731
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 4: end of the day, You're not having to do much

732
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 4: lifting creatively because you're like, yeah.

733
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: That that scripted we already on and just in terms

734
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: of a straight straight up transposition of what was happening

735
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine, they're really they're really doing it.

736
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 5: If I if I've been on record on the show

737
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 5: talking about my disdain for live action remixs of Disney movies,

738
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 5: because I know that we have talked about this in

739
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 5: the office for years, basically since The Jungle Book and

740
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 5: Lion King. You just and I know and Jack, I

741
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 5: know you. I mean, well, I'm not gonna put you

742
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 5: on the spot and say you share this level of disdain,

743
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 5: but I know that you too have observed you just

744
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 5: cannot make these animal faces do what a Disney movie

745
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 5: does an animation.

746
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: You just cannot, right, you cannot, and you may not,

747
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: and you made it and you may not why you

748
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: were so mad about flounder. Yeah, and we like talking

749
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: about Flounder and Sebastians. Since they announced this, I've been like,

750
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: first of all, like it didn't work in The Lion

751
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: King and those are beautiful animals. Yes, under sea creatures

752
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: are ugly and terrified, weird, and they are supposed to

753
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: like they're cute in the original movie.

754
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 2: But like flounder looks really founder, Yes, he looks.

755
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, flounders which, by the way, like actual flounders have

756
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: their eyes on the face.

757
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: So what is what? What is this?

758
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: Even it's a tropical fish of some sort, something of

759
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: some sort. I'm it's like what if instead of the

760
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: original round, cute faced cartoon character, it was like a

761
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: a fish skeleton mixed with like Pete Davidson, Like it

762
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: feels like they go what they've gone with.

763
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: Right, I'm just never I'm I you know, I am.

764
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 5: I'll say this like, you know, happy for Halle Bailey,

765
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 5: like getting out there and becoming the star, even a

766
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 5: bigger star than she already is. Like this is of

767
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 5: course a huge moment for her. We will see some

768
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 5: awesome the music that will come out of this will

769
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 5: be amazing, much like The Lion King. The music coming

770
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 5: out of that was amazing. But just stop it with

771
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 5: the animals, like what are you?

772
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: What is? I don't like we can you can't do

773
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: you do? Just no?

774
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 4: One Like I wouldn't care if Flounder looked all cute

775
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 4: in the live action version, like.

776
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: That's a weird That's the one thing I feel like

777
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: people are like, yo, fine, didn't need to be that

778
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 2: real find.

779
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 5: Finding Nemo that ship just it's okay if it's a

780
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 5: little pick Sarry, just you you you own that, do it.

781
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 4: Nobody's out here being like man Mermaids is real. It

782
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: is not how they would be interacting with the undersea

783
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: life out of here man, Like, I'm fine with the

784
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 4: the Mermaids, but don't freak, don't. I don't want to

785
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 4: look like I'm seeing some ship that washed up on

786
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 4: the Santa Monica beach.

787
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: True, yeah, you know what I mean. Like this Flounder, look,

788
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 2: he looks busted.

789
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 4: Bus he looks like he's got a problem. They say

790
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 4: he look like Steve Buscemi, I think is what they're

791
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 4: saying on Twitter.

792
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: There are cuter like with Flounder, I was like, maybe

793
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: they'll find you know, as Katie Golden has pointed out

794
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: on Twitter, there are a cute fish like they're a

795
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: parent fish that as long as you're not too freaked

796
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: out by the fact that they have a set of

797
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: human teeth up front, which you know takes.

798
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: A little while to get over. But they they're goofy.

799
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: They they do fun stuff like they're but they were

800
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: just like, nope, huh huh, it's gonna look like.

801
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: They've seen some shit.

802
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: They're gonna make it look like Flounder has seen some

803
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: dark shit.

804
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

805
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 5: Also, in my in my own fear of not giving

806
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 5: people enough credit, like the three D animators who are

807
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 5: given these jobs to work on these specific things obviously

808
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 5: do incredible work and the ship looks awesome, but it

809
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 5: is a effort completely in vain in that you are

810
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 5: trying to recreate an emotion that is incapturable and it's

811
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 5: ready animated space. When you're trying to make something look

812
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 5: quote unquote real, you just can't under smile whole point.

813
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 5: That was the whole point of Disney movies. In the

814
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 5: first place. They had options. Sebastian was a no win.

815
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 5: By the way, you can't make win crabs. Crab never

816
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 5: looked at anything like other things. That's not a bug

817
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 5: a bug. Yeah, Sea Spider and the Sebastian gonna rip

818
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 5: his own arm off. No, but that's what they do.

819
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do when they're in when they're in a

820
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: bit of a spot, you know what I mean.

821
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 5: That's what I'm grow that that that I will forgive it.

822
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 5: If Sebastian rips his own arm off this movie, give

823
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 5: me that terrify.

824
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: Some children teach these, teach them about Arthur Potts.

825
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: So up to this point you might be saying, all right, guys,

826
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 1: but like these are huge movies, and like it takes

827
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, nostalgia has a cycle. Ghostbusters Too came out

828
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: in June of eighty nine, and later this year. I

829
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: didn't know this. We're getting the seque Ghostbusters Afterlife. They're

830
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: doing a sequel to that, and and this sequel takes

831
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: them to New York City, so they're really.

832
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: Baby yeah wow, yeah, Okay.

833
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: There's also the new Ninja Turtles animated movie, which, even

834
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: though the original Ninja Turtles movie didn't come out until

835
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: ninety like, eighty nine was the year of full blown

836
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: Ninja Turtles like this was when the cereal was introduced

837
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: to the TV show The Video Games. By the way,

838
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: this detail on the Ninja Turtle cereal I had forgotten.

839
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: The cereal was described on the box as crunchy sweetened

840
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: Ninja nets with Ninja Turtle marshmallows. Pizza shaped marshmallows were

841
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: later added. The ninja net cereal pieces looked suspiciously similar

842
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: to checks, so they were just like, oh, yeah, these

843
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: are ninja nets, you know. Yeah, you know how one

844
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: of the Ninja turtles has a net with them at

845
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: all times?

846
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: Yep, do this.

847
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: I love that marketing person like, well, obviously we're just

848
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 4: making this with loose checks and we're adding on marshmallows,

849
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 4: like what you can call these?

850
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: It could have just go and talking about the similarity

851
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: between wheedies and like turtle food, you know, right, flaky

852
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 1: that flaky like fish turtle food. There's also on TV

853
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, we're getting well, Rosanne is already here,

854
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: Quantum Leap is here. Doogie Howser dropping The second season.

855
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: Was Doogie Howser eighty nine.

856
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, is it Who's the Boss reboot

857
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: in the works? They watch remake that nobody asked for

858
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: even matt Lock is coming back.

859
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 5: Mattl really yeah, aren't the old Well, I don't know more.

860
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 5: Isn't anybody who watched Matt Lock probably you know, not

861
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 5: with us anymore.

862
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm still here, man, That's what I've been saying for years.

863
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: Matt Lock fans, we are still here.

864
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 4: You're gonna be on the watch list because Joe Biden

865
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 4: is still our president in facts. Okay, ye favorite show.

866
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Yeah, he's still here. No,

867
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: you went wrong? Yeah, wrong? Like even like.

868
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: The reuniting of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck was about

869
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: like the invention of the Air Jordan, which was, you know,

870
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 1: probably hitting its original peak popularity in like eighty nine.

871
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: It's it's just yeah, we're stuck. It's fine, it is,

872
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: It's what what it is.

873
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: Did you guys see Air? I did, Miles, No, I

874
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: heard Michael Jordan wasn't in it, so I said fuck that. Yeah.

875
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 5: He has one quote unquote one line where he says, hello,

876
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 5: I loved it. I loved Air. I thought it was

877
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 5: great Jack.

878
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: Did you I did not damn did not care. I

879
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: remember him saying interesting week.

880
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: I wanted to like it, so iron this out, iron

881
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: this out right?

882
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: Now? Yeah? What what? What didn't you like about it?

883
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 5: Because I'm totally I mean obviously I'm completely open to that,

884
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 5: and you know, and but we know how toxic you

885
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 5: can get when we start debating movies.

886
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: Oh I get toxic breath first. We know you, we

887
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: know it. It just I don't know, it felt thin

888
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: to me.

889
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: Like it opened with a montage of like eighties nostalgia

890
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 1: that just felt like it could have been on Like

891
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: like all the needle drops were just like so down

892
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: the middle eighties hit songs, the characters watch Men movie. Yeah,

893
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: like that, the speech, the climactic speech that Matt Damon

894
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: gives to Michael Jordan, like didn't really, I don't know,

895
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: it just didn't resonate with me as somebody who's like, okay,

896
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: you have Michael Jordan about like the way that he

897
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: discovers he's great is by watching and rewatching the tape

898
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: of him hitting the game winning shot in the championship game.

899
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: And then like that's the only footage, Like what what

900
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: did they only license a single piece of footage Michael

901
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Jordan playing?

902
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 5: Because well, they wasted all that money on licensing all

903
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 5: those songs, so it's kind of late that to go.

904
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: Where was it going to be? I don't know.

905
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: It just felt like there was not It's I think

906
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: it's part partially like as a person who grew up

907
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: around basketball and who like I don't know, like has

908
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: like red books about like Jordan and what makes him

909
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: different and stuff like that, it just felt shallow, inductive, reductive.

910
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that is a completely fair take.

911
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 7: Yeah.

912
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: I think you were going to say, Okay, like that's

913
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: some old head ass take.

914
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 5: No, I mean I think I think it's completely fair

915
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 5: because honestly, one of my favorite things about it is

916
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 5: that it's short. Yeah, I love that it's quick, because

917
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 5: the whole thing is my thing about the movie is

918
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 5: that if you go into that movie, I don't think

919
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 5: there's anybody who's watching that movie unless you are like

920
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 5: Jack and someone who has grown up with basketball or

921
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 5: is intimately a yeah exactly, it's just intimately familiar with

922
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 5: like listening about how they go shoutout MOUs Jack on my booty,

923
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 5: but like intimately familiar with the I don't know, the

924
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 5: shoe game of any time before the nineties. It's like

925
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 5: your association with Michael Jordan is probably like entwined with Nike,

926
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 5: Like you probably don't even see Mike, don't. You don't

927
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 5: think of Michael with any other shoe period. So if

928
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 5: you're watching that movie, you're thinking about that or like

929
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 5: getting to the end, like well, I mean, I know

930
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 5: what's going to happen, Like what is there even? I

931
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 5: know who this guy is exactly, I know who this

932
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 5: guy is. What is even what is even the point

933
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 5: of this? So the fact that it was so kind

934
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 5: of like short and to the point, and just I mean,

935
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 5: you know, if I'm being real, I mean Phil Knight

936
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 5: and some of his business practices I think are of

937
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 5: course deplorable and.

938
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: Political giving practices, but they use like the Nike mottos,

939
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: like the core mottos that like he has up on

940
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: his wall of like job's not done, n till it's done,

941
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: and like all this stuff they use that as like

942
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: they they cut to that as like little chirons that

943
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: they show you in between scenes. And I don't know,

944
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: it just felt like spiritually empty to me to like

945
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: tell this story about It's like, wow, Nike almost didn't

946
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: become the massive international behemoth that is doing damage all

947
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: over the.

948
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 5: Like it already was right, It's just that it didn't

949
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 5: become even bigger.

950
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: So is the movie. But so Jack the movie good

951
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: on an airplane. I think it would be a good

952
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: airplane watch.

953
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: I also think I might watch it again with my

954
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: wife and be like, oh, I actually enjoy this.

955
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: You know.

956
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: It was just I think ninety percent of my movie

957
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: takes are like, yeah, I just wasn't like in a

958
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: great mood. Wasn't like feeling that movie at that time.

959
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: You know, I will tell you I'd come full circle

960
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: on this take.

961
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: I like it. Yeah.

962
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 5: I will say that. One of my least favorite things

963
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 5: about the show The Bear is how much they're constantly.

964
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 2: Like Chicago, this is shut Ago.

965
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 5: And the beginning of the of Air, I was watching

966
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 5: it just like do you have to hammer this so

967
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 5: hard to make the point? Because it's not like the

968
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 5: rest of the movie isn't trying to hammer that point

969
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 5: home the entire time. It's like, at no point you're like,

970
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 5: I wonder what time this movie.

971
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: Said myles.

972
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: There's like a montage with people like doing Rubik's cubes.

973
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 2: It's really.

974
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 8: It's too long. It is too long and too just

975
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 8: like well, you know, because you know what it is.

976
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 8: It's it's not I think in the end it's not.

977
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 8: It's like for us but not really yes, because we

978
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 8: were there, Dude, I don't need this fucking recap. But

979
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 8: I'm sure for like younger people who would see it

980
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 8: like what the wow?

981
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 2: What is what was this time?

982
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 5: And I think that's I almost want to say, like

983
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 5: that is what I feel, like studio notes due to

984
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 5: a movie, because like I feel the same way about

985
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 5: like any show that's about video games or something. You're

986
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 5: watching the show and just like this is annoyingly.

987
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: What is this video gang? Exactly?

988
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 5: This is annoyingly hitting the hammer on the head. It's like, yeah,

989
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 5: I've heard a pack man, thank you?

990
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I don't know, because like I like the

991
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: social network despite the fact that, like, you know, I

992
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: don't think Facebook is cool.

993
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: You love like the fact that I like watched.

994
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: This and like wasn't on board with like loving Phil

995
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: Knight and Sonny Baccaro like that, I've I've done that before.

996
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: I've liked it before. It was just like something just

997
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: felt like pet and sort of lazy about it to me.

998
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look, this is our time, because clearly,

999
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 4: if this feels with all this stuff coming back around.

1000
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 4: I mean it's like it's like partial studio and network laziness.

1001
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 4: And the other part is like more millennial aged people

1002
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 4: probably influencing things too, like on someone you know that

1003
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 4: would you know that shit would go although they should

1004
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 4: be hiring us because we got some real ideas over here.

1005
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah well yeah, and also this I take like it

1006
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: as far as film, like the film industry is concerned,

1007
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: is objectively wrong. The like it got an a Cinema score.

1008
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: Everybody seems to really love this movie except for me,

1009
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: So I'm not. And I've listened to like even the

1010
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: people from like blank Check and The Flagrant Ones, like

1011
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: all those people like this movie. So I just I

1012
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: don't know.

1013
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: It's fine what you you as an individual, that's what.

1014
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: That's what. That's how you took it. That's how it goes.

1015
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: No, I'm bad, I'm bad.

1016
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: I shouldn't even feel something bad about me. So well,

1017
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: then if you're bad, then I'm Wesley Snipes. Hey, you

1018
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: think you're bad?

1019
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 4: What are they going to put that ship out there?

1020
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 8: That?

1021
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: Who directed that? Was that?

1022
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: Who directed the bad video? I feel like it was

1023
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: Scorsese or something like that.

1024
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 2: Uh, it was Yeah.

1025
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: Scorsese directed The Bad Wow Holy Ship.

1026
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: That was eighty seven. Eighty seven, What a time to

1027
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 2: be alive. Well, Miles, mm hmm, I mean so much

1028
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 2: for having me.

1029
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: Yes, Miles, such a pleasure around show.

1030
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

1031
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can find him all right.

1032
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: That's gonna do it. For this week's weekly Zeitgeist, Please

1033
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: like and review the show if you like the show.

1034
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: Uh means the world to Miles. He he needs your validation.

1035
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: Folks.

1036
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

1037
00:52:31,600 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: talk to you Monday. Bye.