1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Favorite memory during the Heat Pacers rivalry. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: So I would say probably the highest moment was when 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: we felt that desperation. So that was when I saw 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: when I saw d Wade yelling that that's yelling bad. 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: They have to be separated. That was probably the highlight 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: of that of that whole series because I was like, nah, 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,159 Speaker 2: we got them, like, we got to them, you know, 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: and sometimes and we're dealing with a great you know 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: that that that Miami Heat organization, but then those players 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: all of that, that was like a great moment, you 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: know what I mean in basketball history. So to be 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: able to you know, have you know, ruptured that a 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: little bit, put a little bit of doubt in there. 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 3: It was a great feeling for us. 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: We were really I'm telling you, we were like and 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: probably we probably got too high from it, you know 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: what I mean. Like we were like, oh, nah, we 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: ain't never seen this, We never seen them like this. 19 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 4: And then it was like, dope, hey, let me ask 20 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 4: you DS, what the hell did Mario do to you? 21 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 4: What the hell was good? What the hell was Mario? 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 4: Because I know he did something. I ain't know what 23 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 4: he did, but I know he did something because Mario 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 4: always doing something, right. 25 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: So what's crazy is like the crazy thing about the NBA. 26 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: At least the way we played was like because we 27 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 2: were on ball screening team, so I had. 28 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 3: This, you know, we had to we played. 29 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: We did a lot of pick and roll in Indiana, 30 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: a lot of pick and roll in in New Orleans. 31 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: So you developed this relationship with the guards, right, like 32 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: you know you're gonna hit these and pop these dudes 33 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: and give them shots. 34 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 3: So Mario was one of them dudes. He would wait 35 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: to get his link back. 36 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 5: I know Mario did something. 37 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: He'll wait till your back is turn you're not looking 38 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: at like, yo, what's up? 39 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: Like, and it's whatever happened might have been three or 40 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: four plays ago. So it was just one of them 41 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: things where he just he was getting his link back 42 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: and I'm like, nah, bro, you tripping like I just 43 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: wanted to. 44 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 5: I knew, I know he did something. 45 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: Bro. 46 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: He was He was a competitor though, man, like you know, 47 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: I respect him because he competed. But he was one 48 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: of the guys like, well, if you're gonna screen me, 49 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get through my elbow on my knee or something. 50 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 3: I'm gonna figure out something. 51 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 4: I know he did something, Bro, I know he did something. 52 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 4: I never know what he did, but I know he 53 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 4: because he always doing this. We called him reckless real. 54 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 4: We call him reckless real. 55 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Right, Uh, this is a question for 56 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: basically both of you guys at BIS game, Maine. Is 57 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: it defastating to see the mid range game become somewhat 58 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: extinct the days and be considering you guys were so 59 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: effective at. 60 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 4: It, Man, ask both y'all this question. I go first, Hell, yeah, 61 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 4: that ended my career. Listen to dust. Let me tell 62 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 4: you something I had about five years now. 63 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: Hold On ended his career. He played twenty seven years, 64 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: got thirty years. 65 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 4: I ain't gonna say career. I ain't gonna say ended. 66 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 4: But that's the reason why, like I stopped playing as 67 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: much early because everybody wanted the threes in the mid range. 68 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 4: Like that's that's literally like I went from playing to 69 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 4: like sitting on the bits because I didn't shoot threes 70 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 4: just that fast like a flicker with switch. 71 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 5: Right, So yeah, it bothered me. 72 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 4: And I was also one of those guys where if 73 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 4: I wasn't hitting the mid range, I damn sure wasn't 74 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 4: a live threat. I mean, I catch a few, but 75 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 4: I ain't you know, I ain't no roll to the 76 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 4: lob big every time, you know what I'm saying. It 77 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 4: really it really impacted my game. I don't know d 78 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 4: West could speak on it. 79 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, you know, I like the I don't 80 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: like the fact that it's off the table because it's 81 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: a weapon, and like why using that, you know what 82 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: I'm saying, Hi, killing these dudes. 83 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 5: At death getting to a spot popping. 84 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: He got way to guard it. 85 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: But like if you can shoot those shots and you 86 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: practice making those shots, they're effective, you know what I mean, 87 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: Like they're a weapon, legit weapon. Now again, it's like 88 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: I look at it like this, like MJ shot mid 89 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: range joints. You know, Kobe shot mid range shots, KD. 90 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: I mean even Dirt, Like Dirt didn't shoot that many threes. 91 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: You know what, Dirt did not live in a world 92 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: where he was shooting nine, ten eleven threes a game. 93 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: Burt was killing you from the mid range and the 94 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: mid range drives and the baseline attacks, right, So like 95 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: some of the greatest players and the greatest scores using 96 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: mid range. So I mean, I hate it because it 97 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: takes away a viable skill set and the vible point 98 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: of attack for a lot of guys. So again, if 99 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 2: you're not able to shoot threes and half to like 100 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 2: literally eighty percent of these dudes they shoot threes, should 101 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: not be shooting. Every NBA game you watch, you hear 102 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: somebody say he's shooting twenty three percent from the three 103 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: point line. 104 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 3: Well, why the hell is he still shooting threes? You 105 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: know what I mean. 106 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: So it's like you hear that, and it's just like, 107 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: even though it's a numbers thing, it's not a field thing. 108 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: And I think the mid range is a field thing, right, 109 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 2: Like you get to your spot and shoot the ball, 110 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: right like it's a field. You gotta have a basketball 111 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 2: field when the when to stop there or get to 112 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: the rim. 113 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: Or get to the rim and move. So I don't 114 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: like the fact that they're taking it away. 115 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: I just I find it comical that, you know, some analytics, dude, 116 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: could have to the power to tell a guy who 117 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: can make those shots not to shoot. 118 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: You know what those analytics, you know, you know, the 119 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: thing is that I find the humor. You watch an 120 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: NBA playoff game, the last four minutes, there's gonna be 121 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: a lot of mid range shots. 122 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 5: That's the thing. That's what I don't agree with. 123 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: All that thrown away, And it comes down to Katie 124 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: getting to his spot, Kawhi getting to his spot, Polo 125 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: getting to his spot, Tatum getting to his spot. Like 126 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, all the analytics goes away. 127 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: It's how we're gonna win this game. And it's the 128 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: last four minutes of every NBA playoff game. You see it. 129 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: It's gonna be an elbow jumper. It's could be a 130 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: logo jumper. 131 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 5: For forty five minutes. 132 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 4: For forty five minutes, we want dunks in threes, and 133 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 4: in the last three minutes take whatever buckets you. 134 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 5: Because it's like you said, it's the most it's the 135 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 5: ass backward. 136 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: But it's like what he said, though, at the last 137 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: four minutes of the game, you don't want a twenty 138 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: three percent dude shooting that three to win a game 139 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: for you and God and God forbid that guy who 140 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: shoots twenty three percent doesn't want to shoot it either. 141 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 4: And it also goes back to what he said about 142 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 4: habits Steph Clay. They're shooting four hundred, five hundred, six hundred, 143 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 4: they have the habits. You must show up seven thirty 144 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 4: with no habits and start find that up. 145 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 5: It don't make no sense. But I agree with you 146 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 5: day dus Man. 147 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 4: It ain't just because personally it impacted my game, but 148 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 4: just the overall game of basketball. 149 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: It's it's still It's still there though. It really is because, 150 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: like I'm telling you, when it comes down of winning time, 151 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: it's it's it's analyza out. It's how do I get 152 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: a bucket? How do you get the file line? It's 153 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: gonna be free throw line down. 154 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 5: It's I mean, let's just call it analytics. What they are. 155 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 4: We're gonna use this as a scapegoat not to pay 156 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 4: or play certain people. 157 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 5: That's what you're gonna use the analytics for. 158 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 4: We're gonna use this as an escapegoat not to pay 159 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 4: or play certain people. 160 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 5: I wish that had analytics what I was coming through, 161 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 5: they definitely had. 162 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: He even said that me and me and Ray used 163 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: to laugh at all the time, Like you saw that 164 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: the level of game go and change. Like when we 165 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: first came through the league, if you didn't shoot forty 166 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: percent from three, you didn't shoot yo. Yeah, Like we 167 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: we go into it, we go into a call guy, 168 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: a red dude, like a hot guy shooting thirty two percent, 169 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: but he shoots nine a game. You're like, that's not 170 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: a hot guy, right, that's a guy who would get 171 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: off the rock. 172 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 5: Guy right right, right right, Like we're running. 173 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: We're running this guy off like nine one one, Like 174 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: what But when you look at the analytics of it, 175 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: and and Huet Brown was before his time on this part, 176 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: Like if you shoot thirty three from three, it's like 177 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: shooting fifty from the field, So we'd break that down, 178 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: but it's still didn't make any sense. 179 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 5: Why you shoot twelve of them? 180 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: Right? Right? 181 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: I mean I wish I had shot twelve of them. 182 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: Hosts at that sounds like all the question of the 183 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: same mister West, as a Pacers fan, what was the 184 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: missing piece that would have helped y'all get past the 185 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: heat those series? 186 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 5: You played him? 187 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 3: Oh that's yo, Danny Granger health. 188 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: We traded Danny, uh you know one the one the 189 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: first year we lost in the conference finals. He was hurt, yes, 190 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: and then the second year we traded him. 191 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: But you know, we. 192 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: Always we we didn't have Danny, and we always Danny 193 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: had great size, you know, you know, with the switches, 194 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: the rebounding his shot making uh. And then when we 195 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: when he did play, he would always get an offensive 196 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: rebound over d Wade because he was bigger than like 197 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: literally because he was six or nine. And I remember 198 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: Coach Vogel and I talked about it one time. We 199 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: were like, yo, that that moment right there could win 200 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: us to see it, and we never We never got 201 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: him in that point to. 202 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: Challenge. 203 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 2: So Danny, Danny was probably the missing piece. We never 204 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: got him when he was healthy. And then that last 205 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: year they just weren't happy with the speed. 206 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: We didn't trade him. 207 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 5: Who didn't trade it for? 208 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 3: You know, they made they made a decision. 209 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: Who did trade him for? 210 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: Evan Turner? I think yes. 211 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 5: He ended up spending Danny and spending some time in 212 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 5: Miami with us for a little bit. And the injuries, 213 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 5: but he spent some time with us. Good dude. 214 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: We touched on We touched on Kawhi a little bit. 215 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: But there's another fan question. What was it like playing 216 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: with a young Leonard? 217 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: He was Kawhi was quiet, but he was a worker. 218 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: I had had to be a worker because let me 219 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: tell you something, I watched him at San Diego State. 220 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: Fun fact, my brother was coaching at New Mexico at 221 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: the time, same league. So we watched him a ton. 222 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,599 Speaker 1: He was like an eighteen percent three point shooter in 223 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: high in college wow, might have been twenty wow, but 224 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: either way, it wasn't very good. He's turned himself. Obviously 225 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: mid Ranges is still bread and butter. 226 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 5: But so that was his game, his MIDI yeah, and 227 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 5: just at the rim and just. 228 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: Right. 229 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: He was a dog, but quiet dog. 230 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 5: Go ahead. 231 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: I didn't want to interrupt. 232 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: Ahead, No, no, no, no, no. 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