Speaker 1: Steven A.
Speaker 2: Smith has been going around talking about his confrontation with Lebron.
Speaker 2: James talked about on his show. I went and talked
Speaker 2: to talked about it with Gilbert Arenas and he said,
Speaker 2: I thought it was weak.
Speaker 1: I thought it was some bs.
Speaker 3: Yeah about Lebron coming up to him. And then also
Speaker 3: he went on Sean Hannity's show last night, Yes and Does,
Speaker 3: and this got brought up in despite the all the
Speaker 3: awful things hannedy Is said about Lebron over the years.
Speaker 3: So I have a lot of takes on this, and
Speaker 3: I was going to leave this be, but the Gilbert
Speaker 3: Arenas show appearance was to me it has to be
Speaker 3: responded to, and there's so many different tentacles to this,
Speaker 3: so I will first first, I want to make this
Speaker 3: point we in the media have to be willing to
Speaker 3: occasionally taken out. Everyone does, but particularly us. We in
Speaker 3: the media have to be willing to at times be
Speaker 3: like that was a miss. I was wrong. I didn't
Speaker 3: handle that perfectly. And we in the media also have
Speaker 3: to recognize and acknowledge that no matter how big or prominent,
Speaker 3: or wealthy or successful any of us ever get, we
Speaker 3: will never be from a fan or credibility to the
Speaker 3: audience standpoint on par with the biggest athletes that we cover.
Speaker 3: It'll never Howard Cosell was not equal to Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 3: He was telling Ali's story. The audience was there for Ali.
Speaker 3: Bob Costas was not equal to Michael Jordan. He's he's
Speaker 3: telling Michael Jordan's story.
Speaker 1: Go ahead to mins with that.
Speaker 2: With that point, don't you think it like, because Steve
Speaker 2: Natesmith is saying it's weak, Lebron James obviously has all
Speaker 2: the leverage on the court. Do you do you not
Speaker 2: think that it's a little Uh, I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's weak, but because he
Speaker 2: obviously does have leverage, like nobody's gonna be on Steven
Speaker 2: As yet.
Speaker 3: But you also you that's the thing. So that's the
Speaker 3: thing you have to know in the media that you
Speaker 3: at some point the actual stars are the people we're
Speaker 3: talking about. Sometimes we can be good enough or successful enough,
Speaker 3: or prominent enough or whatever where we become kind of
Speaker 3: supporting actors, but it's their movie. People are here. They
Speaker 3: care so much about them that we become important people
Speaker 3: because we talk about them. And so there is there
Speaker 3: will never be a White House courus or White House
Speaker 3: correspondent that is more important to the political discourse than
Speaker 3: the president. There will there, and there will there will
Speaker 3: never be a stephen A And he has earned it,
Speaker 3: earned it. He is the most prominent sports media member,
Speaker 3: which does make him bigger than some athletes, but he
Speaker 3: will never be bigger than the biggest athletes. Like here's
Speaker 3: a good kind of you know, back in the Napkin math,
Speaker 3: do you remember Demanse when I went after Patrick Beverly. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that is I think two people on kind of equal footing.
Speaker 3: But think about why that is. You have me. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying we're about on equal footing. Me someone who's
Speaker 3: probably near the bottom of the top ten in my field,
Speaker 3: and someone like him who's near the top of the
Speaker 3: bottom ten in his field. And that's where we meet.
Speaker 3: So you've got it. Like so the and there was
Speaker 3: another little jab at Patrick Beverley fit in there, but
Speaker 3: uh so it is so No, I don't think it's
Speaker 3: unfair for Lebron to to respond. We all like the
Speaker 3: And here is the other thing. You gotta be prepared
Speaker 3: in the moment with how you're going to respond if
Speaker 3: they if you get checked, and this idea like I got,
Speaker 3: I told the story you know, confronted is too strong,
Speaker 3: but questioned by Jalen Hurt's mom night before the super Bowl,
Speaker 3: and she was totally within her rights. I've told the
Speaker 3: story for anohing of good things say about her, uh
Speaker 3: and one of the only they're not many bright sides
Speaker 3: for me that came out of that Super Bowl. But
Speaker 3: I respected her in that interaction so much that I
Speaker 3: was part of me, the little part of me that
Speaker 3: wasn't heartbroken about the result of the game, was happy
Speaker 3: for her because she was so adamant or someone was
Speaker 3: gonna win and that he was gonna play great and
Speaker 3: all that happened. But in that moment, I had a
Speaker 3: choice to make do I snapfold my hand, or do
Speaker 3: I say, okay, we can actually talk about it. What
Speaker 3: I don't think is typically cool is to in the
Speaker 3: moment snapfold your hand and then after the fact talk
Speaker 3: and talk and talk and talk and talk about it.
Speaker 3: And here's the other pieces of it that I just
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go ahead and say I have a hard
Speaker 3: time fully buying. On Gilbert's show, stephen A said, essentially,
Speaker 3: my producers made me address it. I didn't want to.
Speaker 3: My producers made me address it. Bro, that's not how
Speaker 3: that works. We all we all know that, like, that's
Speaker 3: it's not how that works on first things. First, I
Speaker 3: can't imagine that's how that works. On first take. I
Speaker 3: cannot imagine. And I do not think that anybody really
Speaker 3: believes like there is anything on that show that stephen
Speaker 3: A's like, I do not want to do this, and
Speaker 3: they're like, so you have to come on, man, that's
Speaker 3: not like, that's not that's not a thing. Like maybe
Speaker 3: the day after a finals game, if see if someone
Speaker 3: was like, I don't want to talk about the basketball game,
Speaker 3: they might be like, well you have to and if not,
Speaker 3: we're gonna pay, like the but I, that's not a thing.
Speaker 3: And the other thing was this because on Gilbert Show,
Speaker 3: stephen A said, oh, I I thought in the moment
Speaker 3: this was about Bronni. It wasn't until I saw what
Speaker 3: Lebron's conversation mouth somewhat covered mouth not with Richard Jefferson
Speaker 3: that I knew this was actually about what I had
Speaker 3: said about him as a father. Man. I knew it
Speaker 3: the next day. I was on here the next day
Speaker 3: and I told everyone that's what it was about it
Speaker 3: was obvious. That's what it was about. The everyone who's
Speaker 3: in these circles knows, that's what it was about. When
Speaker 3: Lebron's people called you and you made fun of them,
Speaker 3: it was months ago. It was about that. It was
Speaker 3: about the I'm begging you as a father. So it's
Speaker 3: okay to say I was caught off guard, has caught
Speaker 3: off guard, didn't really know. And then the other part
Speaker 3: of it, like again, and I say this every time,
Speaker 3: and I'll say it again, And it's so funny that
Speaker 3: I texted with stephen A the day this, the morning
Speaker 3: before this all happened, so like I think this happened
Speaker 3: a week ago today, I actually text with steven A
Speaker 3: that morning, so before it all happened. Obviously, I have
Speaker 3: and I'm still using current present tense. I hope a
Speaker 3: good relationship with him. But I have to be I
Speaker 3: have to be fair here, because I'm not hesitating ever
Speaker 3: on this platform or on the TV show really to
Speaker 3: criticize colleagues if I think they're dead wrong. I can't
Speaker 3: just have the guys that I really like or my
Speaker 3: friends or whatever be like a sacred cows here, especially
Speaker 3: when this this is the story that continues to be
Speaker 3: the story. The implication with Gilbert and Company that listen,
Speaker 3: maybe I'd have handled that differently, but I work for
Speaker 3: Walt Disney.
Speaker 1: Come on, man about like the fighting or like I
Speaker 1: was gonna I.
Speaker 3: Mean, that's what it seemed like was being implied. I mean, like, man, like, listen,
Speaker 3: Steven Ain't, to his credit, has gotten in great shit
Speaker 3: and did like a real boxing thing and would be
Speaker 3: a even even you know at his at his you know,
Speaker 3: he's in great japer's age and is despite being a
Speaker 3: decade plus order than me, I'll say it would be
Speaker 3: a significant favorite over most other media members. You know
Speaker 3: what I mean in hand to hand combat, but the
Speaker 3: idea that it's like well, you know, hands are a
Speaker 3: little tied because I work for the mouse. Otherwise, like,
Speaker 3: come on, man, like what are we like? That's just
Speaker 3: go ahead.
Speaker 2: I don't play a Devil's advocate any longer, but this
Speaker 2: last time we'll do it.
Speaker 1: Do you think like what is in like? Is are
Speaker 1: we saying that the only thing that Stephen A.
Speaker 2: Smith did wrong was call out Lebron James a father,
Speaker 2: Like is everything else like in bounds?
Speaker 1: What's out of bounds?
Speaker 3: So here's so here's what I think. That's a great
Speaker 3: follow up and a great question. The I think that
Speaker 3: I'm pleading with you as a father was out of line.
Speaker 3: It's also what Lebron was responding to. That was very
Speaker 3: clear from the morning after the event. I again, I
Speaker 3: set it on this show on a little emergency pod
Speaker 3: that we did right after or over the weekend, but
Speaker 3: before the rj uh interaction with Lebron, and it was
Speaker 3: it was very clear that's what it was about. So
Speaker 3: that is you Now, I talked to Bamani about that,
Speaker 3: Butmani says we need to normalize judging other people's parenting,
Speaker 3: which is an interesting take, and like it's also you know,
Speaker 3: Butmani's you know, glass house there, not glasshouse there. BUTMANI
Speaker 3: ain't got no kids, so he didn't know how hard
Speaker 3: you guys can be some times. But but the that
Speaker 3: is that's what triggered Lebron. Okay, that's what it was
Speaker 3: now is the criticism of Bronnie fair. It let me,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tweak how I word that.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Well, I mean also like there's a while
Speaker 2: back Lebron put out a tweet and I get it's
Speaker 2: not Bronni that tweet like it's just unfortunate that it's
Speaker 2: landing on Bronnie the kid.
Speaker 3: When so that tweet is I would argue, and this
Speaker 3: I think kind of speaks to how relatively well, not
Speaker 3: relatively well, but incredibly well lebron James has handled twenty
Speaker 3: five years in the public eye. That tweets one of
Speaker 3: the five biggest missteps of his whole career, honest to God,
Speaker 3: like it really is. But the fact that everyone keeps
Speaker 3: pointing to this tweet from three years ago as evidence that, oh,
Speaker 3: Lebron has been building Bronnie up bigger than he was,
Speaker 3: I think speaks to the fact that after that tweet,
Speaker 3: Lebron pumped the brakes on it, right, like that that
Speaker 3: tweet was it put a bigger target on Bronnie's back,
Speaker 3: and so that was that was a mistake. That that's
Speaker 3: totally fair, and that's that would be criticizing lebron You
Speaker 3: know that a decision he made, Like that's totally fair,
Speaker 3: But that's not what this was about, right, So the so,
Speaker 3: but I but to get back to your other question
Speaker 3: is is Bronnie James a fair target for criticism? The
Speaker 3: answer to that is yes, he's an NBA players, a
Speaker 3: grown man NBA player. Is it also fair to say,
Speaker 3: if this is going to be the one and only
Speaker 3: second round pick in the entire draft in the last
Speaker 3: two drafts three drafts that we are going to occasionally
Speaker 3: criticize on national television, that if you have been one
Speaker 3: of the more vocal critics, whether it was his summer
Speaker 3: League performance or his opening few g League games or
Speaker 3: those awful minutes against the Sixers, then if you really
Speaker 3: want to be fair, you've got to mix in the
Speaker 3: context and maybe include, oh, he's actually played really well
Speaker 3: since that moment. Now, I think it's probably like, does
Speaker 3: that make sense that if I'm that anybody that you
Speaker 3: are is you don't have to talk about, but you
Speaker 3: choose to talk about either super glowingly or super negatively
Speaker 3: or it's you know that you insert in, It's probably
Speaker 3: fair to balance the scale to a degree you don't
Speaker 3: have to do. That's why I keep doing the You
Speaker 3: know where he ranks amongst rookies, and he is somewhere
Speaker 3: between forty eighth and fifty eighth in every single minutes games, points, assists, steals,
Speaker 3: which is what you would hope for from the fifty
Speaker 3: to fifth pick. So that's the other piece of this
Speaker 3: that I think is a little bit of bullshit. If
Speaker 3: you were and this is not I'm not talking about
Speaker 3: Steven ah here, okay, if you are, to a degree,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of talking about one of my dearest friends
Speaker 3: in the world, among others, but among other not among
Speaker 3: my other dearest friends, but Manni is one of my
Speaker 3: dearest friends in the world. He's one of many people
Speaker 3: who were very loud and skeptical about Bronni being drafted.
Speaker 3: I do think what's fair is if you were one
Speaker 3: of those people saying this is a farce of a pick,
Speaker 3: to at some point mention he's acquitting himself pretty well
Speaker 3: in the G League, that he's averaging the exact same
Speaker 3: as the Lakers first round pick last year in the
Speaker 3: G League, that he you know what, like that, because
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty clear that the people who said
Speaker 3: this is a farce of a pick, if Bronni in
Speaker 3: the G League was four points, couldn't you know? It
Speaker 3: is terrible to be like see, And so I just
Speaker 3: I do think though that stuff is convenient well, and again,
Speaker 3: I just it's also not all that day to day relevant.
Speaker 3: I just what I don't. I just have a really
Speaker 3: hard time with the sequence of I didn't want to
Speaker 3: talk about this. I've now talked about it almost every
Speaker 3: single day on four different platforms since then. I didn't
Speaker 3: know what he was mad about when I got a
Speaker 3: call five weeks ago from his agent about the exact
Speaker 3: thing he's mad about, and anyone with kind of deductive
Speaker 3: reasoning knew that's what he's mad about. Having been on
Speaker 3: the record for twenty years about how many games you
Speaker 3: go to and about how everyone you talk about is
Speaker 3: welcome to come up and talk to you about anything
Speaker 3: they say, and when that happens, to say it was
Speaker 3: weak and it was bullshit, And this is why I
Speaker 3: started with the we're not on equal playing field with
Speaker 3: these guys. He sometimes you don't get to respond like
Speaker 3: you can respond. That's let me don't That's I said
Speaker 3: that wrong. That's not what I meant. What I'm trying
Speaker 3: to say is, in that moment, I think what he's
Speaker 3: saying is I wanted a phone call so I could
Speaker 3: give give my side of the story, and Lebron was saying,
Speaker 3: I don't give a shit about your side of the story.
Speaker 3: I didn't like what you said, and I wanted you
Speaker 3: to stop it, and if we never speak again, no
Speaker 3: skin off my back. And that is a power and
Speaker 3: balance because like rounds like I don't care about this relationship.
Speaker 3: You might, I don't, and that just kind of is
Speaker 3: that that that's why I used the Coseel Ali thing. Now,
Speaker 3: Cosel actually was incredibly helpful to Ali because Ali had
Speaker 3: the US government working against him and a lot of things.
Speaker 3: So it's not a perfect example at all, but as
Speaker 3: helpful as Howard Goseel was to Muhammad Ali, Howard go
Speaker 3: Sel needed Muhammad Ali in that relationship more than Ali
Speaker 3: ever needed would need him. And no matter how wealthy
Speaker 3: or famous any of us get, we're not the actual stars.
Speaker 3: And then we also have to have the humility to
Speaker 3: at times just take an l. I don't know why
Speaker 3: that is so difficult for certain folks like and that's
Speaker 3: and I'm not just pointing out stephen A there at all.
Speaker 3: That is that is a lot of people again, well
Speaker 3: particularly people that in our business people that are there
Speaker 3: is It's also why there's kind of this unspoken rule
Speaker 3: almost like oh, you know, I'm in the media, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to criticize other media that I obviously don't
Speaker 3: subscribe to. I just think that is somewhat hypocritical, almost
Speaker 3: like we can't we we can't do what we do
Speaker 3: to these athletes and then act so wounded if somebody
Speaker 3: does it to us.
Speaker 2: Exactly like this guy needs to change this that like
Speaker 2: that needs to happen. It's like I feel like which
Speaker 2: is in some fashion.
Speaker 3: And so listen, I really hope this is the end
Speaker 3: that of this the and the handity thing.
Speaker 1: Do it well?
Speaker 3: I just I don't. I I don't look given all
Speaker 3: the things Sean Hannity has said about Lebron that I
Speaker 3: find to be in inaccurate on their face and wildly unfair.
Speaker 3: I think going on that turf and doing this was
Speaker 3: and now and again in Stepney's defense there, it didn't
Speaker 3: look like he knew that question was coming, and he
Speaker 3: didn't spend a lot of time on it, you know.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, after dropping the first ever thirty twenty twenty
Speaker 2: twenty game against Phoenix Yolks, MVP odds cut in half.
Speaker 2: Then SGA got the best of them in that Denver
Speaker 2: game he dropped forty and then Jokic got a little
Speaker 2: get back. So they're kind of kind of a weird
Speaker 2: situation for the MVP right now.
Speaker 1: Who do you have?
Speaker 3: I think it's Shay. I don't think it's really that debatable,
Speaker 3: and I am consistent. Well, here's why Demansey and I
Speaker 3: heard Mike Malone. God, Michael Malone. Basically, if you're not
Speaker 3: willing to say the NBA logo should be changed from
Speaker 3: Jerry West to Nikola Jokic, like you're not given Jokic
Speaker 3: enough respect by Michael Malone's standards. I mean the idea
Speaker 3: that Jokic has won three of the last four MVPs,
Speaker 3: he won back to back MVPs prior to ever going
Speaker 3: on a deep playoff run which was not unprecedented but
Speaker 3: close to unprecedented, and so like this idea that he's
Speaker 3: not getting enough respect is just crazy. And here is
Speaker 3: why I feel the way I do about the MVP,
Speaker 3: and it is the same reason I felt it was
Speaker 3: very clear Josh Allen was the MVP this past year
Speaker 3: in the NFL. We cannot play Calvin ball with how
Speaker 3: we give out MVP awards. And if people don't know
Speaker 3: what the phrase Calvin ball is, it's from the old
Speaker 3: cartoon Calvin and Hobbes, the comic strip. But it's where
Speaker 3: you just make up the rules as you go. It's
Speaker 3: essentially heads, you lose, tales I win. It's where whatever
Speaker 3: the whatever the rules need to be for me to win,
Speaker 3: those are the rules. And so two years ago the
Speaker 3: NFL MVP Josh had these amazing numbers and not so
Speaker 3: much Josh. Actually it was really brock Perty and Dak
Speaker 3: had these amazing numbers. Lamar had middling numbers, but his
Speaker 3: team had the best record. He played you know great
Speaker 3: in some big spots, and they gave it to Lamar.
Speaker 3: This year, Lamar has amazing numbers, but his team's record
Speaker 3: is you know, mediocre compared to the other MVP candidates.
Speaker 3: Josh had good numbers, not as good as Lamar's. The
Speaker 3: team had the better record, and people were like, no,
Speaker 3: Some people were like, no, it should be Lamar again, like, well,
Speaker 3: he can't win for one set of logic in twenty
Speaker 3: three and inver ctle logic in twenty four that if
Speaker 3: we give Joker the MVP this year, then we need
Speaker 3: to go back last year and give the one he
Speaker 3: won there to Luca. Because last year here was Luca's numbers,
Speaker 3: thirty four points per game, the scoring champion by three
Speaker 3: and a half points, nine rebounds, ten assists. He was
Speaker 3: thirty four, nine and ten on forty nine to thirty
Speaker 3: eight splits. Joker, who won the MVP was twenty six
Speaker 3: points per game, twelve rebounds, nine assists on fifty eight
Speaker 3: thirty six splits. So why did Joker win it? Because
Speaker 3: the Denver Nuggets tied for the best record in the
Speaker 3: Western Conference. They had fifty seven wins and Luca's team
Speaker 3: was the five seed. They had fifty five or they
Speaker 3: had fifty wins. Pardon me that seven win golf is
Speaker 3: why not only did Joker win it, but it was
Speaker 3: not close. If I remember, I'm gonna check real quick.
Speaker 3: Joker had got seventy nine first place votes, Shay got fifteen,
Speaker 3: Luca got four. He ran away with it. So this
Speaker 3: year when Joker's numbers are remarkable, and they are remarkable
Speaker 3: at twenty nine, thirteen and ten. Shae is going to
Speaker 3: win the scoring title, by the way at thirty two
Speaker 3: and a half, but then only five and six. But
Speaker 3: Shay is the in my opinion, rightful MVP because his
Speaker 3: team has fifty three wins and the Nuggets have forty two.
Speaker 2: Would He's not say no team, It's more just like
Speaker 2: if the Thunder didn't have SGA, you know, they'd be
Speaker 2: less off good. I think if Denver didn't have Yokics,
Speaker 2: they'd be absolutely ft.
Speaker 3: No, that is listen, that's definitely true that Denver would
Speaker 3: completely collapse without Joker. That's definitely true. But that can't
Speaker 3: be the solo standard, and we can't change the rules
Speaker 3: year over year like the And it is true, and
Speaker 3: it has always been true that the hardest MVP to
Speaker 3: win is the next one. The easiest MVP to win
Speaker 3: is your first, and then to win a second one
Speaker 3: you usually have to be even better than you were
Speaker 3: for your first one, and then to win your third one,
Speaker 3: you've got to be truly in historic territory, and then
Speaker 3: to win your fourth you have to be have a
Speaker 3: historic season and be one of the greatest players of
Speaker 3: all time and not have any first time attempted first
Speaker 3: time winner have a real case. So and Joker is
Speaker 3: one of the greatest players of all time and he
Speaker 3: is having a historic season. But the guys with four
Speaker 3: are Bron Will Russell, Jordan Kareem. Those guys have four
Speaker 3: or five or six. I'm not saying Jokers not allowed
Speaker 3: to join that group one day. What I am saying
Speaker 3: is we can't give Jokers third MVP, even though Luca
Speaker 3: had one of the most insane statistical regular seasons ever,
Speaker 3: because Joker's team was better, and then give Joker his
Speaker 3: fourth MVP because he's having an insane statistical regular season
Speaker 3: when SHA's team is better. Like if the we have
Speaker 3: to be consistent with it, and and also like this
Speaker 3: idea that the Thunder would be okay without Shae, I
Speaker 3: don't agree with that. The Thunder without Shae would.
Speaker 1: Be I mean, they wouldn't be in great shape. The
Speaker 1: point I was just making was Denver.
Speaker 3: Would be no Denver would instantly become one of the
Speaker 3: worst teams in the league. I get that, But sh
Speaker 3: Shae scoring thirty three a game for a team that
Speaker 3: doesn't have another established star is super valuable. So like
Speaker 3: I just I just like consistency in this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the press, I think from the beginning we've
Speaker 2: just gotten really far off of what MVP means.
Speaker 1: I think it should have just been the.
Speaker 2: Actual most valuable player as I get like the don't know.
Speaker 3: So this is a point Broom makes and and I'm
Speaker 3: curious how you feel about it. And then we can
Speaker 3: get to the NFL stuff quickly. And I don't know
Speaker 3: why I ever say we're doing a quick show. I
Speaker 3: don't have the capability of it. Does Is that fair
Speaker 3: to the previous eras right? And here's what I mean.
Speaker 3: If all of a sudden we change it to just like, hey,
Speaker 3: who is the consensus best player in the league and
Speaker 3: is he having an awesome season? Then he's the MVP,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, Joker ends with six
Speaker 3: and maybe one day Wimby ends with seven. It's like wow,
Speaker 3: when that's not how we treated Kareem Lebron or Mike
Speaker 3: or Michael, Like is that like, so that is that fair?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, say it again.
Speaker 1: I said you have to make a new league. I
Speaker 1: was joking, but yeah, not.
Speaker 3: No, but yeah, I mean it just and so and
Speaker 3: also this is it should be noted Shay the going
Speaker 3: into this year, the only guy on his team who
Speaker 3: had ever been an All Star is going to run
Speaker 3: away with the scoring title. Scores thirty three a night
Speaker 3: on good efficiency. Uh only plays thirty four minutes because
Speaker 3: they blow so many teams out. His team has a
Speaker 3: historic net rating and they have won. They are eleven
Speaker 3: games clear of the Nuggets in the standings. That it's
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Speaker 3: seventeen NFL Draft, before First Things First Yet existed, Chris
Speaker 3: Carter and I filled in for Colin Cowherd and we
Speaker 3: interviewed a few of the draft prospects. One of them
Speaker 3: was a potential first round pick out of Texas Tech
Speaker 3: named Patrick mahomes I. And here is one of the
Speaker 3: questions I asked him and listened to his answer. Patrick,
Speaker 3: I've got a son who's around your age, just a
Speaker 3: little bit younger than you, and I did something with
Speaker 3: him that I want to do with you. Right now,
Speaker 3: you're not driving, are you okay?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: Ten years from now, close your eyes, think about it.
Speaker 3: In a perfect world, everything goes great. You are, you
Speaker 3: are doing exactly what you want to do. Take me
Speaker 3: ten years from now. Describe where you are and what
Speaker 3: you don't have to tell me a city. Describe what
Speaker 3: your life is ten years from this moment.
Speaker 4: Ten years from now, I hope to have a family,
Speaker 4: a wife and a kid or maybe two, and I'm
Speaker 4: playing in the NFL, one of the best quarterbacks in
Speaker 4: the NFL, and have a couple of Super Bowl championships
Speaker 4: with me.
Speaker 3: Well there you go. So like that. So you already
Speaker 3: know your endpoint. Man. So now that you know your endpoint,
Speaker 3: every fork in the road, every decision you make, just
Speaker 3: keep in mind that's the end point you're trying to
Speaker 3: get to. Where people screw up, at least my sec
Speaker 3: is they don't know where they're trying to get to.
Speaker 3: So you get to fork in the road and you
Speaker 3: don't know do I go left right? But Patrick has
Speaker 3: said he's got a wife and kids, so I guess
Speaker 3: that means he's got to, you know, be hitting the
Speaker 3: dating scene in the off season a little bit, I guess.
Speaker 3: And you got a couple of quarters, you got a
Speaker 3: couple super Bowl championship, still playing in the league. He
Speaker 3: already knows where he's going, just got to figure out
Speaker 3: how to get there. Yes, that is remarkable by Patrick
Speaker 3: that he said the goals that high and exceeded all
Speaker 3: of them. He said, one or two kids, he's at three.
Speaker 3: The I didn't know obviously when I was saying hit
Speaker 3: the dating scene that he was in a serious relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean that he had the woman
Speaker 3: in mind. He had the woman in mind. And he
Speaker 3: said one of the best quarterbacks in the league with
Speaker 3: a couple championships. He's the best quarterback in the league
Speaker 3: and has three. I mean, that is a really really
Speaker 3: cool thing. And then the also him men. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: so that was eight years ago. It was eight years ago,
Speaker 3: So that was, Uh, that was I had I had
Speaker 3: no recollection of that. Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's truly awesome. I mean, got it on heed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so that that was really cool. So I
Speaker 3: don't know if he I'm gonna I'm gonna send if
Speaker 3: we put out that clip right there, a little throwback Thursday.
Speaker 3: Also again, folks who accuse me of hair plugs or anything,
Speaker 3: look closely at that video. You see I have a
Speaker 3: full hairline. I just have a shaved head. I don't
Speaker 3: look like a guy who lost his hair. Look, this
Speaker 3: idea is everywhere you can see doesn't matter. Point is
Speaker 3: uh yeah, I mean that's not a guy who's bald,
Speaker 3: that's a guy who shaved his head. Wasn't the greatest look.
Speaker 2: I will say you can lose that one. I don't
Speaker 2: ever want to get back to that one unless you have.
Speaker 3: To the But regardless, Uh, I don't know. My guess
Speaker 3: is Patrick doesn't remember that either. But if we put
Speaker 3: out that clip, I'll send it to him. That was
Speaker 3: really cool.
Speaker 2: Good for him for the first time in his career.
Speaker 2: Rogers is a free agent. Pittsburgh, the Giants, and maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit of Minnesota. Those are the teams that
Speaker 2: seem to be hawking him down. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: So here's what I think. I think that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 3: knows exactly where he's going and exactly what he's doing,
Speaker 3: and Aaron Rodgers wants the attention, and I don't think
Speaker 3: that they are still negotiating. I think that he is
Speaker 3: the main character in his story and in every story,
Speaker 3: it would seem, and he, you know, likes that. Well,
Speaker 3: there's three teams right now, kind of in a bit
Speaker 3: of a two definitely in the Steelers and the Giants,
Speaker 3: and one maybe in the Vikings that are waiting on him.
Speaker 3: I I don't understand the Vikings piece of it, demons.
Speaker 3: And here's why it doesn't make sense to me that
Speaker 3: they were like Daniel Jones, we'd like to give you
Speaker 3: around ten million dollars to back up JJ McCarthy, and
Speaker 3: then Daniel Jones went to Indianapolis and they're like, okay,
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, we'd like to give you forty million dollars
Speaker 3: to start in front of JJ McCarthy like those You
Speaker 3: know that it doesn't seem like if you were if
Speaker 3: they had tried to retain Sam Darnold and lost him
Speaker 3: and then they pivoted Darren Rodgers to be like, okay,
Speaker 3: that makes you know, that's cogent thoughts, so to speak.
Speaker 3: This one doesn't make sense to me, And does it
Speaker 3: you understand what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand what you're saying, like, it's.
Speaker 3: It just seems like I'm looking for a car. I'm
Speaker 3: either gonna get a Miata Tutor or a minivan. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, what are you trying to get out
Speaker 3: of this thing? Like the and so I just don't.
Speaker 3: I don't follow it in that way, that's all. And
Speaker 3: so I don't know that he'll pick today. I really don't.
Speaker 3: I also will say this, the folks that believe the
Speaker 3: Steelers could be anything close to contenders with Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 3: they weren't contenders last year with Russell Wilson. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 3: at disappointing. His career is not better than Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's worse. They're about the same. Like,
Speaker 3: and so, I know they added George Pickens, but man,
Speaker 3: that feels so combustible Pickens and Metcalf and Rogers, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't. I don't love that at all.
Speaker 3: Might