1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Steven A. 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 2: Smith has been going around talking about his confrontation with Lebron. 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: James talked about on his show. I went and talked 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: to talked about it with Gilbert Arenas and he said, 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: I thought it was weak. 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: I thought it was some bs. 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 3: Yeah about Lebron coming up to him. And then also 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 3: he went on Sean Hannity's show last night, Yes and Does, 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 3: and this got brought up in despite the all the 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: awful things hannedy Is said about Lebron over the years. 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: So I have a lot of takes on this, and 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 3: I was going to leave this be, but the Gilbert 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 3: Arenas show appearance was to me it has to be 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: responded to, and there's so many different tentacles to this, 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 3: so I will first first, I want to make this 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 3: point we in the media have to be willing to 17 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 3: occasionally taken out. Everyone does, but particularly us. We in 18 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: the media have to be willing to at times be 19 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 3: like that was a miss. I was wrong. I didn't 20 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: handle that perfectly. And we in the media also have 21 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: to recognize and acknowledge that no matter how big or prominent, 22 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: or wealthy or successful any of us ever get, we 23 00:01:54,480 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 3: will never be from a fan or credibility to the 24 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 3: audience standpoint on par with the biggest athletes that we cover. 25 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 3: It'll never Howard Cosell was not equal to Muhammad Ali. 26 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: He was telling Ali's story. The audience was there for Ali. 27 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 3: Bob Costas was not equal to Michael Jordan. He's he's 28 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: telling Michael Jordan's story. 29 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: Go ahead to mins with that. 30 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: With that point, don't you think it like, because Steve 31 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: Natesmith is saying it's weak, Lebron James obviously has all 32 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: the leverage on the court. Do you do you not 33 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 2: think that it's a little Uh, I don't know, it's 34 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's weak, but because he 35 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: obviously does have leverage, like nobody's gonna be on Steven 36 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: As yet. 37 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: But you also you that's the thing. So that's the 38 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: thing you have to know in the media that you 39 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: at some point the actual stars are the people we're 40 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: talking about. Sometimes we can be good enough or successful enough, 41 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: or prominent enough or whatever where we become kind of 42 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 3: supporting actors, but it's their movie. People are here. They 43 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: care so much about them that we become important people 44 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 3: because we talk about them. And so there is there 45 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 3: will never be a White House courus or White House 46 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:52,839 Speaker 3: correspondent that is more important to the political discourse than 47 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: the president. There will there, and there will there will 48 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: never be a stephen A And he has earned it, 49 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: earned it. He is the most prominent sports media member, 50 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: which does make him bigger than some athletes, but he 51 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 3: will never be bigger than the biggest athletes. Like here's 52 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 3: a good kind of you know, back in the Napkin math, 53 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 3: do you remember Demanse when I went after Patrick Beverly. Yeah, 54 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: that is I think two people on kind of equal footing. 55 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 3: But think about why that is. You have me. I'm 56 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: just saying we're about on equal footing. Me someone who's 57 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 3: probably near the bottom of the top ten in my field, 58 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: and someone like him who's near the top of the 59 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: bottom ten in his field. And that's where we meet. 60 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: So you've got it. Like so the and there was 61 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: another little jab at Patrick Beverley fit in there, but 62 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 3: uh so it is so No, I don't think it's 63 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: unfair for Lebron to to respond. We all like the 64 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 3: And here is the other thing. You gotta be prepared 65 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 3: in the moment with how you're going to respond if 66 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: they if you get checked, and this idea like I got, 67 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: I told the story you know, confronted is too strong, 68 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:50,119 Speaker 3: but questioned by Jalen Hurt's mom night before the super Bowl, 69 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: and she was totally within her rights. I've told the 70 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 3: story for anohing of good things say about her, uh 71 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 3: and one of the only they're not many bright sides 72 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: for me that came out of that Super Bowl. But 73 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 3: I respected her in that interaction so much that I 74 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: was part of me, the little part of me that 75 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: wasn't heartbroken about the result of the game, was happy 76 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: for her because she was so adamant or someone was 77 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: gonna win and that he was gonna play great and 78 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 3: all that happened. But in that moment, I had a 79 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 3: choice to make do I snapfold my hand, or do 80 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 3: I say, okay, we can actually talk about it. What 81 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: I don't think is typically cool is to in the 82 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: moment snapfold your hand and then after the fact talk 83 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 3: and talk and talk and talk and talk about it. 84 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: And here's the other pieces of it that I just 85 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go ahead and say I have a hard 86 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: time fully buying. On Gilbert's show, stephen A said, essentially, 87 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: my producers made me address it. I didn't want to. 88 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: My producers made me address it. Bro, that's not how 89 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: that works. We all we all know that, like, that's 90 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 3: it's not how that works on first things. First, I 91 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: can't imagine that's how that works. On first take. I 92 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: cannot imagine. And I do not think that anybody really 93 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: believes like there is anything on that show that stephen 94 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: A's like, I do not want to do this, and 95 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: they're like, so you have to come on, man, that's 96 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: not like, that's not that's not a thing. Like maybe 97 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: the day after a finals game, if see if someone 98 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 3: was like, I don't want to talk about the basketball game, 99 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: they might be like, well you have to and if not, 100 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: we're gonna pay, like the but I, that's not a thing. 101 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,679 Speaker 3: And the other thing was this because on Gilbert Show, 102 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 3: stephen A said, oh, I I thought in the moment 103 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: this was about Bronni. It wasn't until I saw what 104 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 3: Lebron's conversation mouth somewhat covered mouth not with Richard Jefferson 105 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 3: that I knew this was actually about what I had 106 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: said about him as a father. Man. I knew it 107 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: the next day. I was on here the next day 108 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: and I told everyone that's what it was about it 109 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 3: was obvious. That's what it was about. The everyone who's 110 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 3: in these circles knows, that's what it was about. When 111 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: Lebron's people called you and you made fun of them, 112 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 3: it was months ago. It was about that. It was 113 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: about the I'm begging you as a father. So it's 114 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: okay to say I was caught off guard, has caught 115 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: off guard, didn't really know. And then the other part 116 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 3: of it, like again, and I say this every time, 117 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: and I'll say it again, And it's so funny that 118 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 3: I texted with stephen A the day this, the morning 119 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: before this all happened, so like I think this happened 120 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: a week ago today, I actually text with steven A 121 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: that morning, so before it all happened. Obviously, I have 122 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 3: and I'm still using current present tense. I hope a 123 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 3: good relationship with him. But I have to be I 124 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 3: have to be fair here, because I'm not hesitating ever 125 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: on this platform or on the TV show really to 126 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 3: criticize colleagues if I think they're dead wrong. I can't 127 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: just have the guys that I really like or my 128 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 3: friends or whatever be like a sacred cows here, especially 129 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 3: when this this is the story that continues to be 130 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 3: the story. The implication with Gilbert and Company that listen, 131 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: maybe I'd have handled that differently, but I work for 132 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: Walt Disney. 133 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: Come on, man about like the fighting or like I 134 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: was gonna I. 135 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 3: Mean, that's what it seemed like was being implied. I mean, like, man, like, listen, 136 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 3: Steven Ain't, to his credit, has gotten in great shit 137 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: and did like a real boxing thing and would be 138 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: a even even you know at his at his you know, 139 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: he's in great japer's age and is despite being a 140 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 3: decade plus order than me, I'll say it would be 141 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: a significant favorite over most other media members. You know 142 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 3: what I mean in hand to hand combat, but the 143 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 3: idea that it's like well, you know, hands are a 144 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 3: little tied because I work for the mouse. Otherwise, like, 145 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: come on, man, like what are we like? That's just 146 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: go ahead. 147 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: I don't play a Devil's advocate any longer, but this 148 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 2: last time we'll do it. 149 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: Do you think like what is in like? Is are 150 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: we saying that the only thing that Stephen A. 151 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: Smith did wrong was call out Lebron James a father, 152 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 2: Like is everything else like in bounds? 153 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: What's out of bounds? 154 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 3: So here's so here's what I think. That's a great 155 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: follow up and a great question. The I think that 156 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 3: I'm pleading with you as a father was out of line. 157 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 3: It's also what Lebron was responding to. That was very 158 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 3: clear from the morning after the event. I again, I 159 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: set it on this show on a little emergency pod 160 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 3: that we did right after or over the weekend, but 161 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: before the rj uh interaction with Lebron, and it was 162 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 3: it was very clear that's what it was about. So 163 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: that is you Now, I talked to Bamani about that, 164 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: Butmani says we need to normalize judging other people's parenting, 165 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 3: which is an interesting take, and like it's also you know, 166 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 3: Butmani's you know, glass house there, not glasshouse there. BUTMANI 167 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: ain't got no kids, so he didn't know how hard 168 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: you guys can be some times. But but the that 169 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 3: is that's what triggered Lebron. Okay, that's what it was 170 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 3: now is the criticism of Bronnie fair. It let me, 171 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tweak how I word that. 172 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: Go ahead, Well, I mean also like there's a while 173 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: back Lebron put out a tweet and I get it's 174 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 2: not Bronni that tweet like it's just unfortunate that it's 175 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: landing on Bronnie the kid. 176 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: When so that tweet is I would argue, and this 177 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 3: I think kind of speaks to how relatively well, not 178 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 3: relatively well, but incredibly well lebron James has handled twenty 179 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: five years in the public eye. That tweets one of 180 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 3: the five biggest missteps of his whole career, honest to God, 181 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 3: like it really is. But the fact that everyone keeps 182 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: pointing to this tweet from three years ago as evidence that, oh, 183 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 3: Lebron has been building Bronnie up bigger than he was, 184 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 3: I think speaks to the fact that after that tweet, 185 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: Lebron pumped the brakes on it, right, like that that 186 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 3: tweet was it put a bigger target on Bronnie's back, 187 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: and so that was that was a mistake. That that's 188 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 3: totally fair, and that's that would be criticizing lebron You 189 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 3: know that a decision he made, Like that's totally fair, 190 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: But that's not what this was about, right, So the so, 191 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 3: but I but to get back to your other question 192 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 3: is is Bronnie James a fair target for criticism? The 193 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: answer to that is yes, he's an NBA players, a 194 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 3: grown man NBA player. Is it also fair to say, 195 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 3: if this is going to be the one and only 196 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: second round pick in the entire draft in the last 197 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: two drafts three drafts that we are going to occasionally 198 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 3: criticize on national television, that if you have been one 199 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: of the more vocal critics, whether it was his summer 200 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: League performance or his opening few g League games or 201 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: those awful minutes against the Sixers, then if you really 202 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 3: want to be fair, you've got to mix in the 203 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: context and maybe include, oh, he's actually played really well 204 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 3: since that moment. Now, I think it's probably like, does 205 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: that make sense that if I'm that anybody that you 206 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 3: are is you don't have to talk about, but you 207 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 3: choose to talk about either super glowingly or super negatively 208 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: or it's you know that you insert in, It's probably 209 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: fair to balance the scale to a degree you don't 210 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: have to do. That's why I keep doing the You 211 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: know where he ranks amongst rookies, and he is somewhere 212 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:30,359 Speaker 3: between forty eighth and fifty eighth in every single minutes games, points, assists, steals, 213 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: which is what you would hope for from the fifty 214 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: to fifth pick. So that's the other piece of this 215 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 3: that I think is a little bit of bullshit. If 216 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 3: you were and this is not I'm not talking about 217 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 3: Steven ah here, okay, if you are, to a degree, 218 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: I'm kind of talking about one of my dearest friends 219 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: in the world, among others, but among other not among 220 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: my other dearest friends, but Manni is one of my 221 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: dearest friends in the world. He's one of many people 222 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 3: who were very loud and skeptical about Bronni being drafted. 223 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: I do think what's fair is if you were one 224 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 3: of those people saying this is a farce of a pick, 225 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: to at some point mention he's acquitting himself pretty well 226 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 3: in the G League, that he's averaging the exact same 227 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 3: as the Lakers first round pick last year in the 228 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 3: G League, that he you know what, like that, because 229 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: I think it's pretty clear that the people who said 230 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 3: this is a farce of a pick, if Bronni in 231 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 3: the G League was four points, couldn't you know? It 232 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 3: is terrible to be like see, And so I just 233 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 3: I do think though that stuff is convenient well, and again, 234 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 3: I just it's also not all that day to day relevant. 235 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 3: I just what I don't. I just have a really 236 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 3: hard time with the sequence of I didn't want to 237 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 3: talk about this. I've now talked about it almost every 238 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: single day on four different platforms since then. I didn't 239 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 3: know what he was mad about when I got a 240 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 3: call five weeks ago from his agent about the exact 241 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 3: thing he's mad about, and anyone with kind of deductive 242 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 3: reasoning knew that's what he's mad about. Having been on 243 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 3: the record for twenty years about how many games you 244 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 3: go to and about how everyone you talk about is 245 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 3: welcome to come up and talk to you about anything 246 00:18:54,680 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: they say, and when that happens, to say it was 247 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 3: weak and it was bullshit, And this is why I 248 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 3: started with the we're not on equal playing field with 249 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 3: these guys. He sometimes you don't get to respond like 250 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 3: you can respond. That's let me don't That's I said 251 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 3: that wrong. That's not what I meant. What I'm trying 252 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 3: to say is, in that moment, I think what he's 253 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 3: saying is I wanted a phone call so I could 254 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 3: give give my side of the story, and Lebron was saying, 255 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 3: I don't give a shit about your side of the story. 256 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 3: I didn't like what you said, and I wanted you 257 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 3: to stop it, and if we never speak again, no 258 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 3: skin off my back. And that is a power and 259 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 3: balance because like rounds like I don't care about this relationship. 260 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 3: You might, I don't, and that just kind of is 261 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 3: that that that's why I used the Coseel Ali thing. Now, 262 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 3: Cosel actually was incredibly helpful to Ali because Ali had 263 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 3: the US government working against him and a lot of things. 264 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 3: So it's not a perfect example at all, but as 265 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 3: helpful as Howard Goseel was to Muhammad Ali, Howard go 266 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 3: Sel needed Muhammad Ali in that relationship more than Ali 267 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 3: ever needed would need him. And no matter how wealthy 268 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: or famous any of us get, we're not the actual stars. 269 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 3: And then we also have to have the humility to 270 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 3: at times just take an l. I don't know why 271 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: that is so difficult for certain folks like and that's 272 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 3: and I'm not just pointing out stephen A there at all. 273 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 3: That is that is a lot of people again, well 274 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 3: particularly people that in our business people that are there 275 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 3: is It's also why there's kind of this unspoken rule 276 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 3: almost like oh, you know, I'm in the media, I'm 277 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 3: not going to criticize other media that I obviously don't 278 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 3: subscribe to. I just think that is somewhat hypocritical, almost 279 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 3: like we can't we we can't do what we do 280 00:21:53,720 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: to these athletes and then act so wounded if somebody 281 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 3: does it to us. 282 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: Exactly like this guy needs to change this that like 283 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 2: that needs to happen. It's like I feel like which 284 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: is in some fashion. 285 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 3: And so listen, I really hope this is the end 286 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 3: that of this the and the handity thing. 287 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: Do it well? 288 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 3: I just I don't. I I don't look given all 289 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 3: the things Sean Hannity has said about Lebron that I 290 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 3: find to be in inaccurate on their face and wildly unfair. 291 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 3: I think going on that turf and doing this was 292 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 3: and now and again in Stepney's defense there, it didn't 293 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 3: look like he knew that question was coming, and he 294 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 3: didn't spend a lot of time on it, you know. 295 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 3: I think he was on there to give more political commentary, 296 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 3: which is a whole nother discussion. But whatever, Who's scoring 297 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: big in the NBA this season? 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Guys, I'm killing you, I'm killing you. 307 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 3: On Tuesday, I keyed in on Pelicans Clippers. I was like, 308 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 3: Kwhi's being hot. You know, he's probably gonna come down 309 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: to Earth. Zion I thought was gonna have a monster game. 310 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 3: Zion did have a monster game, tripled Obel, but I 311 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 3: had him over twenty three and a half points. Too 312 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 3: many assists, not in a point it spins with twenty two. 313 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 3: That's a loser. Kawhi under twenty three and a half points, 314 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 3: he damn near at thirty, so that was an O 315 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 3: for two. 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I don't think it's really that debatable, 348 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 3: and I am consistent. Well, here's why Demansey and I 349 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 3: heard Mike Malone. God, Michael Malone. Basically, if you're not 350 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 3: willing to say the NBA logo should be changed from 351 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 3: Jerry West to Nikola Jokic, like you're not given Jokic 352 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 3: enough respect by Michael Malone's standards. I mean the idea 353 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 3: that Jokic has won three of the last four MVPs, 354 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 3: he won back to back MVPs prior to ever going 355 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 3: on a deep playoff run which was not unprecedented but 356 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 3: close to unprecedented, and so like this idea that he's 357 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 3: not getting enough respect is just crazy. And here is 358 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 3: why I feel the way I do about the MVP, 359 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 3: and it is the same reason I felt it was 360 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: very clear Josh Allen was the MVP this past year 361 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: in the NFL. We cannot play Calvin ball with how 362 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 3: we give out MVP awards. And if people don't know 363 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 3: what the phrase Calvin ball is, it's from the old 364 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 3: cartoon Calvin and Hobbes, the comic strip. But it's where 365 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 3: you just make up the rules as you go. It's 366 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 3: essentially heads, you lose, tales I win. It's where whatever 367 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 3: the whatever the rules need to be for me to win, 368 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 3: those are the rules. And so two years ago the 369 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 3: NFL MVP Josh had these amazing numbers and not so 370 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 3: much Josh. Actually it was really brock Perty and Dak 371 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 3: had these amazing numbers. Lamar had middling numbers, but his 372 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 3: team had the best record. He played you know great 373 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 3: in some big spots, and they gave it to Lamar. 374 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 3: This year, Lamar has amazing numbers, but his team's record 375 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 3: is you know, mediocre compared to the other MVP candidates. 376 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 3: Josh had good numbers, not as good as Lamar's. The 377 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: team had the better record, and people were like, no, 378 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 3: Some people were like, no, it should be Lamar again, like, well, 379 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 3: he can't win for one set of logic in twenty 380 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 3: three and inver ctle logic in twenty four that if 381 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 3: we give Joker the MVP this year, then we need 382 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 3: to go back last year and give the one he 383 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 3: won there to Luca. Because last year here was Luca's numbers, 384 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: thirty four points per game, the scoring champion by three 385 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 3: and a half points, nine rebounds, ten assists. He was 386 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 3: thirty four, nine and ten on forty nine to thirty 387 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 3: eight splits. Joker, who won the MVP was twenty six 388 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 3: points per game, twelve rebounds, nine assists on fifty eight 389 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 3: thirty six splits. So why did Joker win it? Because 390 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 3: the Denver Nuggets tied for the best record in the 391 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 3: Western Conference. They had fifty seven wins and Luca's team 392 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 3: was the five seed. They had fifty five or they 393 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 3: had fifty wins. Pardon me that seven win golf is 394 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 3: why not only did Joker win it, but it was 395 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: not close. If I remember, I'm gonna check real quick. 396 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 3: Joker had got seventy nine first place votes, Shay got fifteen, 397 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 3: Luca got four. He ran away with it. So this 398 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 3: year when Joker's numbers are remarkable, and they are remarkable 399 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: at twenty nine, thirteen and ten. Shae is going to 400 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 3: win the scoring title, by the way at thirty two 401 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 3: and a half, but then only five and six. But 402 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 3: Shay is the in my opinion, rightful MVP because his 403 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 3: team has fifty three wins and the Nuggets have forty two. 404 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: Would He's not say no team, It's more just like 405 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: if the Thunder didn't have SGA, you know, they'd be 406 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 2: less off good. I think if Denver didn't have Yokics, 407 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 2: they'd be absolutely ft. 408 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 3: No, that is listen, that's definitely true that Denver would 409 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 3: completely collapse without Joker. That's definitely true. But that can't 410 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 3: be the solo standard, and we can't change the rules 411 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 3: year over year like the And it is true, and 412 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 3: it has always been true that the hardest MVP to 413 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 3: win is the next one. The easiest MVP to win 414 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 3: is your first, and then to win a second one 415 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 3: you usually have to be even better than you were 416 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 3: for your first one, and then to win your third one, 417 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 3: you've got to be truly in historic territory, and then 418 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 3: to win your fourth you have to be have a 419 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 3: historic season and be one of the greatest players of 420 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 3: all time and not have any first time attempted first 421 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 3: time winner have a real case. So and Joker is 422 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 3: one of the greatest players of all time and he 423 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 3: is having a historic season. But the guys with four 424 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 3: are Bron Will Russell, Jordan Kareem. Those guys have four 425 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 3: or five or six. I'm not saying Jokers not allowed 426 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 3: to join that group one day. What I am saying 427 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 3: is we can't give Jokers third MVP, even though Luca 428 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 3: had one of the most insane statistical regular seasons ever, 429 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 3: because Joker's team was better, and then give Joker his 430 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 3: fourth MVP because he's having an insane statistical regular season 431 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 3: when SHA's team is better. Like if the we have 432 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 3: to be consistent with it, and and also like this 433 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,719 Speaker 3: idea that the Thunder would be okay without Shae, I 434 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 3: don't agree with that. The Thunder without Shae would. 435 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: Be I mean, they wouldn't be in great shape. The 436 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: point I was just making was Denver. 437 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 3: Would be no Denver would instantly become one of the 438 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 3: worst teams in the league. I get that, But sh 439 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 3: Shae scoring thirty three a game for a team that 440 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: doesn't have another established star is super valuable. So like 441 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 3: I just I just like consistency in this stuff. 442 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the press, I think from the beginning we've 443 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 2: just gotten really far off of what MVP means. 444 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: I think it should have just been the. 445 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 2: Actual most valuable player as I get like the don't know. 446 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 3: So this is a point Broom makes and and I'm 447 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 3: curious how you feel about it. And then we can 448 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 3: get to the NFL stuff quickly. And I don't know 449 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 3: why I ever say we're doing a quick show. I 450 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: don't have the capability of it. Does Is that fair 451 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 3: to the previous eras right? And here's what I mean. 452 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 3: If all of a sudden we change it to just like, hey, 453 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 3: who is the consensus best player in the league and 454 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 3: is he having an awesome season? Then he's the MVP, 455 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, Joker ends with six 456 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 3: and maybe one day Wimby ends with seven. It's like wow, 457 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 3: when that's not how we treated Kareem Lebron or Mike 458 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 3: or Michael, Like is that like, so that is that fair? 459 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, say it again. 460 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: I said you have to make a new league. I 461 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: was joking, but yeah, not. 462 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 3: No, but yeah, I mean it just and so and 463 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 3: also this is it should be noted Shay the going 464 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 3: into this year, the only guy on his team who 465 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 3: had ever been an All Star is going to run 466 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 3: away with the scoring title. Scores thirty three a night 467 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 3: on good efficiency. Uh only plays thirty four minutes because 468 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 3: they blow so many teams out. His team has a 469 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 3: historic net rating and they have won. They are eleven 470 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 3: games clear of the Nuggets in the standings. 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And here is one of the 498 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 3: questions I asked him and listened to his answer. Patrick, 499 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 3: I've got a son who's around your age, just a 500 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 3: little bit younger than you, and I did something with 501 00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 3: him that I want to do with you. Right now, 502 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 3: you're not driving, are you okay? 503 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: All right? 504 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 3: Ten years from now, close your eyes, think about it. 505 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 3: In a perfect world, everything goes great. You are, you 506 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 3: are doing exactly what you want to do. Take me 507 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 3: ten years from now. Describe where you are and what 508 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 3: you don't have to tell me a city. Describe what 509 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 3: your life is ten years from this moment. 510 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 4: Ten years from now, I hope to have a family, 511 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 4: a wife and a kid or maybe two, and I'm 512 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 4: playing in the NFL, one of the best quarterbacks in 513 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 4: the NFL, and have a couple of Super Bowl championships 514 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 4: with me. 515 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 3: Well there you go. So like that. So you already 516 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 3: know your endpoint. Man. So now that you know your endpoint, 517 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 3: every fork in the road, every decision you make, just 518 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 3: keep in mind that's the end point you're trying to 519 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 3: get to. Where people screw up, at least my sec 520 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 3: is they don't know where they're trying to get to. 521 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 3: So you get to fork in the road and you 522 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 3: don't know do I go left right? But Patrick has 523 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 3: said he's got a wife and kids, so I guess 524 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 3: that means he's got to, you know, be hitting the 525 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 3: dating scene in the off season a little bit, I guess. 526 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 3: And you got a couple of quarters, you got a 527 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 3: couple super Bowl championship, still playing in the league. He 528 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 3: already knows where he's going, just got to figure out 529 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 3: how to get there. Yes, that is remarkable by Patrick 530 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 3: that he said the goals that high and exceeded all 531 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 3: of them. He said, one or two kids, he's at three. 532 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 3: The I didn't know obviously when I was saying hit 533 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 3: the dating scene that he was in a serious relationship. Yeah, 534 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 3: you know what I mean that he had the woman 535 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 3: in mind. He had the woman in mind. And he 536 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 3: said one of the best quarterbacks in the league with 537 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,479 Speaker 3: a couple championships. He's the best quarterback in the league 538 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 3: and has three. I mean, that is a really really 539 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 3: cool thing. And then the also him men. Yeah, right, 540 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,919 Speaker 3: so that was eight years ago. It was eight years ago, 541 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 3: So that was, Uh, that was I had I had 542 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 3: no recollection of that. Isn't that amazing? 543 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's truly awesome. I mean, got it on heed. 544 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so that that was really cool. So I 545 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 3: don't know if he I'm gonna I'm gonna send if 546 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 3: we put out that clip right there, a little throwback Thursday. 547 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 3: Also again, folks who accuse me of hair plugs or anything, 548 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 3: look closely at that video. You see I have a 549 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,760 Speaker 3: full hairline. I just have a shaved head. I don't 550 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 3: look like a guy who lost his hair. Look, this 551 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 3: idea is everywhere you can see doesn't matter. Point is 552 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 3: uh yeah, I mean that's not a guy who's bald, 553 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 3: that's a guy who shaved his head. Wasn't the greatest look. 554 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 2: I will say you can lose that one. I don't 555 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 2: ever want to get back to that one unless you have. 556 00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 3: To the But regardless, Uh, I don't know. My guess 557 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,399 Speaker 3: is Patrick doesn't remember that either. But if we put 558 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 3: out that clip, I'll send it to him. That was 559 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,280 Speaker 3: really cool. 560 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 2: Good for him for the first time in his career. 561 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 2: Rogers is a free agent. Pittsburgh, the Giants, and maybe 562 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 2: a little bit of Minnesota. Those are the teams that 563 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 2: seem to be hawking him down. What are your thoughts? 564 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 3: So here's what I think. I think that Aaron Rodgers 565 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 3: knows exactly where he's going and exactly what he's doing, 566 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:33,720 Speaker 3: and Aaron Rodgers wants the attention, and I don't think 567 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 3: that they are still negotiating. I think that he is 568 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 3: the main character in his story and in every story, 569 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:54,720 Speaker 3: it would seem, and he, you know, likes that. Well, 570 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 3: there's three teams right now, kind of in a bit 571 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 3: of a two definitely in the Steelers and the Giants, 572 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,399 Speaker 3: and one maybe in the Vikings that are waiting on him. 573 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 3: I I don't understand the Vikings piece of it, demons. 574 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 3: And here's why it doesn't make sense to me that 575 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 3: they were like Daniel Jones, we'd like to give you 576 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 3: around ten million dollars to back up JJ McCarthy, and 577 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 3: then Daniel Jones went to Indianapolis and they're like, okay, 578 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,280 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, we'd like to give you forty million dollars 579 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 3: to start in front of JJ McCarthy like those You 580 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 3: know that it doesn't seem like if you were if 581 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 3: they had tried to retain Sam Darnold and lost him 582 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 3: and then they pivoted Darren Rodgers to be like, okay, 583 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,280 Speaker 3: that makes you know, that's cogent thoughts, so to speak. 584 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 3: This one doesn't make sense to me, And does it 585 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 3: you understand what I mean? 586 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: Like I don't understand what you're saying, like, it's. 587 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 3: It just seems like I'm looking for a car. I'm 588 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 3: either gonna get a Miata Tutor or a minivan. It's like, well, 589 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 3: wait a minute, what are you trying to get out 590 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 3: of this thing? Like the and so I just don't. 591 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 3: I don't follow it in that way, that's all. And 592 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 3: so I don't know that he'll pick today. I really don't. 593 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 3: I also will say this, the folks that believe the 594 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 3: Steelers could be anything close to contenders with Aaron Rodgers, 595 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,760 Speaker 3: they weren't contenders last year with Russell Wilson. Aaron Rodgers 596 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 3: at disappointing. His career is not better than Russell Wilson. 597 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's worse. They're about the same. Like, 598 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 3: and so, I know they added George Pickens, but man, 599 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 3: that feels so combustible Pickens and Metcalf and Rogers, Like, 600 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 3: I don't, I don't. I don't love that at all. 601 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 3: Might