Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, what's your name?
Speaker 2: I'm Olivia. Is this Lyle?
Speaker 1: This is Lyle? What's going on? Olivia?
Speaker 2: Has life? Life is done? Kind of ship right now,
Speaker 2: but you know, it's my day off and I've just
Speaker 2: been chilling, so I can't really complain too much tell you.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Oh I'm okay. Why has it been ship?
Speaker 2: Dating men is hard? And no man, no man that
Speaker 2: I've met is down for the sexual things that I
Speaker 2: want to do in the little block.
Speaker 1: But we can we can certainly talk about that. We
Speaker 1: can certainly talk about that. That's what you would rather
Speaker 1: talk about. It's up to you.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I genuinely just feel so call off guard.
Speaker 3: I called you like.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how many times.
Speaker 1: Damn are you? Are you crying right now? Are you sick?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I'm done. I'm done crying.
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 1: Were crying. Okay were you crying before you called?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, all right? So, so what's going on
Speaker 1: with these uh these men?
Speaker 2: I am into pegging and I just moved down to
Speaker 2: the valley from Utah and I have been having such
Speaker 2: a hard time like finding a guy who isn't just
Speaker 2: automatically like, oh, no, what the fuck, Like that's that's
Speaker 2: gay bla blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: I would never.
Speaker 2: And it's just been annoying and I don't understand why,
Speaker 2: like at least the men down down here just are
Speaker 2: open to that, or like I don't know where to
Speaker 2: find men that are.
Speaker 3: Open to that.
Speaker 1: Where have you been looking for these men?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I've just been on the basic dating apps.
Speaker 1: Well, if you're you're going to get the basic men, well.
Speaker 2: I tried like set Life, and that's creepy and they're
Speaker 2: scary kind of and like I don't they're just like
Speaker 2: too too much, like oh you want to peg me,
Speaker 2: you could diss me too, And I'm like whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 2: w wholla, hunt the brakes. I just want to be
Speaker 2: on top a little bit, you know.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: So you've tried. So you've tried. So you've tried fet Life.
Speaker 1: What about that Field Field. I think it's like an
Speaker 1: F E L E L D. I've never been on it,
Speaker 1: but I have friends who've talked about it as like
Speaker 1: a like a kink kind of a dating app.
Speaker 2: Hmm, yeah, I'll try it. The only success I've had
Speaker 2: was on speaking with like the sugar daddies, but that's
Speaker 2: not really I'm looking for. I don't know. I guess
Speaker 2: like a I'm not a partner like a boyfriend or whatever,
Speaker 2: but kind of like a more reliable fuck with buddy
Speaker 2: that because like, I'm so tired of trying to meet
Speaker 2: new people every time. I just want to, you know,
Speaker 2: but then again it's so hard. Like I met guy
Speaker 2: and he was super cool and he literally talked about
Speaker 2: like being a stuff on Tinder, and I went to
Speaker 2: his place and he had all this like navy stuff
Speaker 2: and like he was in the Navy, and I made
Speaker 2: them the joke and I was like, oh, is that
Speaker 2: why you're down to be picked because you're in the navy?
Speaker 2: And he kicked me out.
Speaker 1: So that was on me trying to no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that that's that's so lame. What the fuck?
Speaker 2: I kind of hit a little too close to home,
Speaker 2: I guess why.
Speaker 1: First of all. First of all, I mean, I wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, were you were you making a joke insulting
Speaker 1: the navy or were you making like a dad joke
Speaker 1: of like, oh, you're in the navy, that's why you
Speaker 1: like to be a sub like a submarine.
Speaker 2: You know, I was insulting the Navy.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I thought, you're making a dad joke.
Speaker 2: No, no, And I only say that because I was
Speaker 2: engaged to a man who has been in the Navy
Speaker 2: for the last twelve years, so I feel like I
Speaker 2: kind of can. But also that's a little out of
Speaker 2: pocket or whatever. He did not like it. He immediately
Speaker 2: he was tired, and I had to.
Speaker 1: Go, what was your relationship like with the other navy guy?
Speaker 1: Was he also a sub.
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit like he was down to like
Speaker 2: do stuff in the shower and like he would like
Speaker 2: to get his ass fingered every once in a while,
Speaker 2: you know, like nothening him head and stuff. But that
Speaker 2: was really it. I loved him. I really was so
Speaker 2: serious about marrying him and starting a family, and we
Speaker 2: picked out a ring and all that. But he decided
Speaker 2: to sign another five year contract without talking to me
Speaker 2: about it. And we had already made plans about like
Speaker 2: babies and just like settling down and him starting school.
Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, I'm not going to start
Speaker 2: a marriage when he's just already lying on huge like
Speaker 2: decisions like that.
Speaker 1: So when you're meeting the guys on like the regular
Speaker 1: dating apps, how how soon do you bring up the
Speaker 1: pegging conversation?
Speaker 2: I mean not right away, probably like a second or
Speaker 2: third hangout type of thing, for sure. It's it's hard,
Speaker 2: Like sometimes I haven't even brought it up and I
Speaker 2: just could feel that he's not going to be down.
Speaker 2: And it's not like that huge of a deal, but
Speaker 2: I mean it is something like I want to like
Speaker 2: take turns, like going like topping each other. I think
Speaker 2: that's hot and that's something that I'm looking for. It
Speaker 2: just feels so weird to be like just go up
Speaker 2: and ask that, Like I don't know how to even start,
Speaker 2: Like what do you think? How would you go about that?
Speaker 1: Well? Well, I don't know. I use it. I think
Speaker 1: like on the I from my perspective, like if you're
Speaker 1: a woman on a dating app, like if you start
Speaker 1: talking about like if you're a guy on a dating
Speaker 1: app and you start talking about sex immediately, that's of
Speaker 1: course like, uh, you know, an immediate red flag, right.
Speaker 1: But I think if you're a woman on a dating
Speaker 1: app and you like put in your bio or something,
Speaker 1: I am looking for a man to peg, like obviously
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna all the people. It's you're you're right,
Speaker 1: it's going to attract all of the wrong type of people.
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent agree with you, but it but
Speaker 1: if you filter out all those people, you'll at least,
Speaker 1: like I think, with it, there'll be like a needle
Speaker 1: in a haystack pretty much right because of all the
Speaker 1: like weird people that that will attract at least one
Speaker 1: of them. You'll be like, all right, this person seems
Speaker 1: like a relatively normal human being.
Speaker 2: That's fair. Yeah, that's a tactic, I guess. But I
Speaker 2: also don't want my space and like my name out
Speaker 2: there with like what if a co worker or like
Speaker 2: someone saw like I don't want that everyone to know that.
Speaker 2: I want pigment and like I'm looking for like masculine
Speaker 2: men like I. The man who got me into it
Speaker 2: is like very he's like a bodybuilder, bisexual, Greek goddess,
Speaker 2: sculpted type man who just likes being a switch. And
Speaker 2: now I feel like I can't there's no way to
Speaker 2: find that again. I don't know how.
Speaker 1: You could attend bodybuilding competitions.
Speaker 2: Bodybuilding is yeah, you know that's not a bad idea,
Speaker 2: A good h.
Speaker 1: How did how did this well? How did you meet?
Speaker 1: How did you first meet this like bodybuilder guy.
Speaker 2: It was during COVID up in Salt Lake, just on Tinder.
Speaker 2: He just happened to be one of the first few
Speaker 2: people I matched with when I moved up there, and
Speaker 2: he FACETI me right away and came and picked me
Speaker 2: up and was super cool and I ended up moving
Speaker 2: in with him really quick, and like we had a
Speaker 2: little poly relationship for a bit and it was fun
Speaker 2: and yeah, just tender, but tender down here in the
Speaker 2: valley is like, these men are weird, Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm just not matching with the right people.
Speaker 1: What is it that you find so weird about them?
Speaker 2: Every they're just like homophobic, Like they think that a
Speaker 2: woman having sex with the women is gay, even if
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I was gonna say a woman having sex
Speaker 1: with a woman is definitely gay.
Speaker 2: So they think, I don't know, maybe being pegged by
Speaker 2: a woman is quote unquote gay to some people, but
Speaker 2: like it still is like you're not having sex with
Speaker 2: the man, you're still like it is still heterosexual. I
Speaker 2: don't understand. And I guess people the men up in
Speaker 2: Utah are a little more open, open minded mm hmmm,
Speaker 2: and people down here.
Speaker 1: Why as you move to the valley.
Speaker 2: Family, My family's just been going through a lot of shit.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. How often are you like going on dates
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 2: Lately, maybe like two or three a month. And I've
Speaker 2: been talking to a lot of people, but like I
Speaker 2: feel like they just always fizzle out over the you know,
Speaker 2: dms on apps or texts.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, it's I feel like my I'm
Speaker 2: trying too hard to find like a certain type of
Speaker 2: like it's hard to match. Like, yeah, I don't even know.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what I'm trying to say. I'm sorry, Gek,
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm being really bad conversational with right now.
Speaker 1: No, I was going to say, well, you live in like,
Speaker 1: uh kind of a rural area, so you're not going
Speaker 1: to have a lot of you know. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you moved to to like if you were in like
Speaker 1: New York or LA or Chicago, you'd be able to
Speaker 1: find a guy that will let you peg him within seconds.
Speaker 1: But the Valley is not the best place to find that.
Speaker 2: No, I'm yeah, I'm realizing that I might just go
Speaker 2: back to dating women because like I'm over it.
Speaker 1: Mhm. I mean that's not such a horrible idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: find a woman that I'll let you peg them.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I have like five in my right now.
Speaker 2: It's just more of the challenge of and and like
Speaker 2: the it's just so hot to like top a a man,
Speaker 2: like a masculine man.
Speaker 1: Well, look at it like this. It's uh, well look
Speaker 1: at look at look at it like this. It's uh,
Speaker 1: it's good to it's good to yearn I think I
Speaker 1: think it's good to have something that you're yearning for,
Speaker 1: because if you're yearning for nothing, you might as well
Speaker 1: be dead. So so so I almost think that you
Speaker 1: having this uh fantasy that one day you'll find a
Speaker 1: masculine man that will bend over and let you fuck
Speaker 1: him in the ass. It's almost it's almost a better
Speaker 1: thing for you to have than actually having it. You know,
Speaker 1: it keeps you going, keeps you hunting. So look at
Speaker 1: it like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that outlook, Thank you, Dick.
Speaker 1: What's your name again?
Speaker 2: Presley?
Speaker 1: Presley? Presley? Is there anything else you want to say?
Speaker 1: It's the people of the computer.
Speaker 2: Before we go, I love y'all, and stay freaky beautiful.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Presley. I have a good night.
Speaker 2: By you.
Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, how are you good?
Speaker 4: Is this Lyle?
Speaker 1: It is? Who is this?
Speaker 4: Oh? Hey man, I'm gonna go by David.
Speaker 1: David. What's going on, David? How's your evening going?
Speaker 4: My evening is going pretty good. I got called off
Speaker 4: of my part time job, so I have the evening
Speaker 4: to just show at home with my pet. You can
Speaker 4: hear her now. And I'm watching that new show with
Speaker 4: Tim Robinson, The Chair Company. Pretty good. How about you?
Speaker 4: How's your night going?
Speaker 1: It's gone all right. I am recording my podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about my life too much. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about my life too much. I think life is
Speaker 1: better when I'm like I don't think I'm happiest when
Speaker 1: i'm thinking. I don't think anyone is happiest when they're.
Speaker 4: Why do you think that?
Speaker 1: Well, because I think life is meant to be like
Speaker 1: lived and experienced and like you're you're supposed to be
Speaker 1: around people, and you're supposed to be doing things that
Speaker 1: get you out of your brain. And I think certain things,
Speaker 1: in certain situations and environments and whatnot, they put you
Speaker 1: back into your brain. And that's not good. That's why,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I get addicted to things. That's
Speaker 1: why like fucking sex and porn and all that STUFFE
Speaker 1: is so addictive. That's why alcohol is addictive. That's why
Speaker 1: totally risky behavior is addictive. You know, just just anything
Speaker 1: to anything to take you away from uh. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know there's like distractions. Yeah, there's some people who
Speaker 1: say things like, oh, well, it's all I'm a fan
Speaker 1: of good distractions, because there's some people who say shit like, well,
Speaker 1: if you have any distractions, you're taking yourself away from
Speaker 1: being able to think about your own life, which is bad.
Speaker 1: But I think all of I mean, isn't everything. Just
Speaker 1: like everything is either some means of survival or some
Speaker 1: means of taking you out of your own brain. And
Speaker 1: it's just that you you ideally are doing things to
Speaker 1: take you out of your own brain that are healthy
Speaker 1: and not bad in a real world. But you're always
Speaker 1: gonna do the easiest thing, and the easiest thing is
Speaker 1: usually as something fucking bad.
Speaker 4: So oh man, yeah, we are. We are pretty inclined
Speaker 4: to gravitude to where it's what makes things just a
Speaker 4: little bit easier in our day to day for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've I found like this year in particular, it has
Speaker 4: been pretty monumental for myself in terms of like kind
Speaker 4: of making like hard decisions. And I got to say,
Speaker 4: like where I'm at right now, Like I feel really
Speaker 4: good about myself and where I'm at, and like I
Speaker 4: feel like super inspired to just keep dealing with other changes.
Speaker 4: Like I quit drinking back in February for good. So
Speaker 4: that was huge, and it's had monumental effects on my
Speaker 4: life and the people around me, the people closest to me,
Speaker 4: you know, work, my health, you know, and being inspired
Speaker 4: by that like pushed me to like exercise more, eat healthier.
Speaker 4: And then like it almost felt like you know, like uh,
Speaker 4: you know when you push over like dominant.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then like after that, I started looking at other
Speaker 4: things in my life, like, dude, it's so crazy, like
Speaker 4: quitting alcohol, Like I I also go to therapy, So
Speaker 4: I've been talking with her like weekly about like all
Speaker 4: this stuff like over this whole year, and like I
Speaker 4: found that like I was probably using alcohol to like
Speaker 4: cover up like these pretty obvious like ADHD symptoms, and
Speaker 4: I feel like I was using it to like kind
Speaker 4: of like quiet my mind. And I felt like I
Speaker 4: could only like socialize when I was drinking, and it
Speaker 4: just created this like problem, this problem for me that
Speaker 4: I was hard to like face, but like because I
Speaker 4: didn't think that was a huge deal, like because I
Speaker 4: was still functional, but like I wasn't doing the things
Speaker 4: that I wanted to do. And once I quit doing that,
Speaker 4: like I started realizing, oh, maybe maybe I have some
Speaker 4: some some things I need to address, like with my mind.
Speaker 4: So I set up a screening for ADHD through therapy
Speaker 4: that I got put on a waiting list, So it's
Speaker 4: going to be in like a month or so. But
Speaker 4: you know, it's things that I'm getting, the things that
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have done had I not like done this
Speaker 4: initial thing. And since then, like I quit vaping, which
Speaker 4: is big, and then you know, I took my first
Speaker 4: like tolerance break from THHC in years, like since I
Speaker 4: first started smoking, like sixteen years ago, dude.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 4: You know, and just understanding like how how that makes
Speaker 4: me feel different? You know, And the other thing just recently, Man,
Speaker 4: I just had listened to your podcast the other day
Speaker 4: when you were talking to somebody. I think the topic
Speaker 4: was like about like you know, just getting sucked into
Speaker 4: like the algorithms and the media. And I quit. I
Speaker 4: didn't really use social media that much to begin with.
Speaker 4: Like I never got TikTok. I always thought that stuff.
Speaker 4: I always thought it was so cringe. And I never bothered
Speaker 4: with Twitter either. It always just seemed weird that you
Speaker 4: would just quit all your thoughts out like that. But
Speaker 4: I got into like Instagram and that was like my
Speaker 4: poison and read it too. And then I I got
Speaker 4: Instagram off of my phone, moved it to my iPad,
Speaker 4: my shitty iPad that like freezes all the time, so
Speaker 4: I only check it here and there, and then I
Speaker 4: before I like fully deleted read it. I would just
Speaker 4: periodically delete it from my phone and then I'd find
Speaker 4: myself on the toilet board and so I had downloaded
Speaker 4: again and I hadn't been on it for a while,
Speaker 4: and then I'd log into it and then this, oh
Speaker 4: my god, just all this stress just flooding back to me.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 4: Then I and then it would be like fifteen minutes
Speaker 4: of that, I turn it off and delete the app
Speaker 4: and get back to just like my world, but like remembering,
Speaker 4: just like how I was just so consumed with that,
Speaker 4: Like from the moment I waked, I woke up, check
Speaker 4: read it, check read it. Throughout the day all the
Speaker 4: way into the evening and it's just pumping out like
Speaker 4: so much stress and controversy, and it just wasn't good
Speaker 4: for me. But like, just like recently, I like posted
Speaker 4: like how fascist should die and then I got a
Speaker 4: three day ban so I was like fuck this and
Speaker 4: deleted it, and I feel really good since then. But
Speaker 4: like something I've been talking about with my therapist has
Speaker 4: just been like you know, and I talk with my
Speaker 4: buddy all the time about like how stressful like the
Speaker 4: way of the world feels like on a day to
Speaker 4: day basis, right, And it's like, you know, like you said,
Speaker 4: like it things have been happening all the time, and
Speaker 4: things always have been and things always will whether and
Speaker 4: just now we have these devices that make us aware
Speaker 4: of like everything at every corner of the globe at
Speaker 4: all hours of the day, and so it's just like
Speaker 4: I don't think we're built to handle that. And so
Speaker 4: I feel so much better just tuning out of it,
Speaker 4: because like no matter what, you know, like you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to change anything, Like I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: going to change. I'm going to change what I can,
Speaker 4: and what I can is in like my you know,
Speaker 4: my general orbit, and so like when I just focus
Speaker 4: on like my world, then like it's a lot more
Speaker 4: like manageable. And I feel like, you know, if people
Speaker 4: kind of tune out a bit here and there, you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's like a huge breath of fresh air. I
Speaker 4: don't know, like if you've tried like doing that like recently,
Speaker 4: like I don't, I only follow you like here and
Speaker 4: there on like the podcast, but like if you have
Speaker 4: like times where you just like completely disconnect and just
Speaker 4: like just do human things.
Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that because I've been I've
Speaker 1: been procrastinating on it a little bit, but I want
Speaker 1: to fully disconnect from technology. I think my problem is
Speaker 1: I don't right now, like I don't. I can't think
Speaker 1: of anything that I well, I guess I can't. Like there,
Speaker 1: I was going to say, like I couldn't think of
Speaker 1: anything more pressing that I can do with that time,
Speaker 1: but I totally can. I mean, yeah, so many things
Speaker 1: like subtly suck up my time.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I mean, like you initially like mentioned
Speaker 4: like you know, not being able to like sit in
Speaker 4: your thoughts, and like I gotta say, you know, like
Speaker 4: one of the other things that like you know has
Speaker 4: been very, very like monumental. This year has been like
Speaker 4: a lot of times sitting in my thoughts, like I live,
Speaker 4: I live a pretty like kind of I'm pretty like
Speaker 4: by myself all the time. And that's like by design,
Speaker 4: Like I work a lot, and the friends that like
Speaker 4: I feel closest to they live in like another city,
Speaker 4: so I only set times to see them here and there.
Speaker 4: So it's really just like me and like my close
Speaker 4: family here and there, and like my cat. But like
Speaker 4: I've had like you know, I like, you know, coming
Speaker 4: off of quitting drinking. Yeah, like the views of myself
Speaker 4: were just so low, Like I just did not think
Speaker 4: really positively of myself because I just wasn't doing good
Speaker 4: things for myself for so long and through like therapy
Speaker 4: and just like moments just sitting at home by myself,
Speaker 4: just like literally just asking myself, like why don't you
Speaker 4: like yourself? Like why don't you know just start there
Speaker 4: and then just trying to like backtrack and figure this
Speaker 4: stuff out and then you know, eventually just get to like,
Speaker 4: you know, why don't you love yourself? And just recently
Speaker 4: I went on a trip with my best bud out
Speaker 4: to the bad Lands in South Dakota and just had
Speaker 4: a completely like life changing experience. You know. It was
Speaker 4: set like therapy out there with him, just like out
Speaker 4: in nature, just connecting, and we did we did bring
Speaker 4: some mushrooms, so that definitely helped. Like going on these
Speaker 4: hikes and like eating mushians out there. It just felt
Speaker 4: like a really really crazy experience, like like we were
Speaker 4: opening up our minds and also like connecting with the
Speaker 4: earth at the same time. But like you know, just
Speaker 4: the whole time, just getting really deep into the headspace.
Speaker 4: And I remember like there was this moment out there
Speaker 4: when I was like walking out into like these like
Speaker 4: sunpatched like portions of the bad Lands on this hike,
Speaker 4: you know, before you enter these like prayer, these rolling
Speaker 4: prairies and just taking this like top moment like kind
Speaker 4: of sit there and like admire like absolutely everything about
Speaker 4: what's around me, and like right of you know, looking
Speaker 4: at the mountains and the horizon all the way down
Speaker 4: to the rocks on the ground, like everything had had
Speaker 4: a way like it, how do I put it, Everything
Speaker 4: stood out amongst each other in such an odd way,
Speaker 4: like everything was just contrasting one another in such an
Speaker 4: obscure fashion, like I'd never seen, and being out there,
Speaker 4: I almost saw myself like as like one of those
Speaker 4: things that just kind of stood out and it made
Speaker 4: it shifted my perspective of myself into a way where
Speaker 4: you know, I kind of thought, you know, it's okay
Speaker 4: to just be like weird and unique and whatever, and
Speaker 4: it's okay to like express yourself. And I've hide that
Speaker 4: and I was just out there just getting like deep
Speaker 4: in my head and like coming out of that like trip,
Speaker 4: like I ended up finally being able to tell myself
Speaker 4: that I love myself. And you know, I also didn't
Speaker 4: have read it the entire time, so I was just
Speaker 4: like Kain. I was just immersed now no phone, just
Speaker 4: out there with my bud, listen to music, going on hikes,
Speaker 4: and it just was really really really rewarding. And I
Speaker 4: feel like I need more of that stuff, like definitely
Speaker 4: protect our parks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I yeah, I've been saying that I want to
Speaker 1: do that for a while, Like get off of all
Speaker 1: social media and get off of like like dating apps,
Speaker 1: and get off of like all these fucking things. They
Speaker 1: just take up little bits of time and attention and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I need to do that. I have a friend,
Speaker 1: well you know, I mean he's like he was also
Speaker 1: on a bit of a technology fast and he seems
Speaker 1: a lot more grounded as a results, And I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like I could get there. I feel
Speaker 1: like I always feel like I never have enough time
Speaker 1: or enough energy to tackle the things that I really
Speaker 1: want to tackle. But there always seems to be enough
Speaker 1: time and energy to do random crap. You know, it's
Speaker 1: so easy to get distracted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all these distractions, man. I mean, I gotta
Speaker 4: say one of the things that really helped like me
Speaker 4: initially was just like finding an old piece of like
Speaker 4: junk hardware. Like I have this old iPad and I
Speaker 4: just like moved move my shit there, so at least
Speaker 4: getting it off your phone, you know, and put it
Speaker 4: onto a device that like you can still access it's
Speaker 4: still available, but you know, just at home, and it
Speaker 4: may be a little clunky, so you might get frustrated
Speaker 4: with it, so you'll put it down and maybe do
Speaker 4: something else. I don't know, but like, you know, just
Speaker 4: like you said the other day, like this stuff is
Speaker 4: manufactured like to buy design to like frustrate us and
Speaker 4: like divide us and distract us. And you know, one
Speaker 4: of the things that I thought was like really interesting,
Speaker 4: like coming out of like one of these hikes out
Speaker 4: in the bad Lands. My buddy and I stopped at
Speaker 4: this restaurant out in Rapid City and we sat down
Speaker 4: for some uh for some chicken alfredo at the at
Speaker 4: the bar. And we're sitting there and then over to
Speaker 4: our right, a few chairs down there was just this,
Speaker 4: uh there's this older couple that was chatting it up
Speaker 4: with all the older folks around them, and they were
Speaker 4: very clearly like jumpers, like you know, they're like the
Speaker 4: stuff that was coming out of their mouth was just
Speaker 4: like kind of absurd, but like, you know, they they
Speaker 4: turned over to us, and I look Hispanic and my buddy,
Speaker 4: you know, he doesn't look like keeps from around there either,
Speaker 4: and you know, they just we struck up a conversation
Speaker 4: and just shot the We just shot the shit. And
Speaker 4: you know it was like, you know, when you remove
Speaker 4: that like element, you know, it's a lot easier to
Speaker 4: come together. I feel like like I feel like, have
Speaker 4: you ever seen this this hilarious video of like these
Speaker 4: two dogs just like going at it, like and there's
Speaker 4: this fence and and and they're like going at each other,
Speaker 4: like with the fence in the way, and then the
Speaker 4: guy moves the fence aside, and suddenly the dogs are
Speaker 4: just like, you know, like whatever, you know, and then
Speaker 4: he puts the fence back, and then they're going at
Speaker 4: it again. And I feel like that fence is really
Speaker 4: like the algorithm, dude, and it's we just gotta find
Speaker 4: a way to at least recognize it for what it
Speaker 4: is and figure out a way to just you know,
Speaker 4: not let it get the better of us, you know.
Speaker 4: And I'm only touching on a lot of things.
Speaker 1: It's so I was thinking about this the other day,
Speaker 1: Like I talked to so many people on this podcast,
Speaker 1: and you know, in doing like the live shows and
Speaker 1: in doing you know, on the street and stuff, and
Speaker 1: like everyone that I've talked to from doing this, like
Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine ninety nine percent of people are
Speaker 1: like cordial and like, you know, easy to talk to
Speaker 1: and like like they're all like good experiences. Right. But
Speaker 1: then I see comments. I see comments on like Instagram right,
Speaker 1: and on like spy and on YouTube where people are
Speaker 1: like stupid and hostile and judge and all these different things,
Speaker 1: and I'm like and also just living my life I
Speaker 1: meet people out and about, and I'm like, theoretically, these
Speaker 1: are the same people, So like, what the fuck is
Speaker 1: it that is making people so like.
Speaker 4: Dude, I don't know, but like, you know, you remember
Speaker 4: you remember South Park that one season that focused on
Speaker 4: like Kyle's dad is skankant. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what this.
Speaker 1: Is, dude.
Speaker 4: And it's and it's but but there's a part of
Speaker 4: it where it's like, you know, I I've never felt like,
Speaker 4: you know, like some inclination to like act like a
Speaker 4: penis online, you know, like behind behind like some like mask.
Speaker 4: But so many people feel like so I don't know,
Speaker 4: like emboldened to just be a penis online and and
Speaker 4: I don't get it. And and I'm sure like if
Speaker 4: if it was like those to their wives or their
Speaker 4: their bosses or their children or whatever, I'm sure they'd
Speaker 4: be fucking embarrassed. But like what, like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: there's there's some other part of it too, Like it's
Speaker 4: something I don't understand, Like I don't surround myself with
Speaker 4: people that act like that, but like it's it's it's odd,
Speaker 4: it's odd behavior.
Speaker 2: Mm hm.
Speaker 1: So okay, now that you're enlightened, in your life? What
Speaker 1: do you what do you do?
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say like I'm enlightened, I just know. I
Speaker 4: just would say I feel I feel more, I feel better.
Speaker 1: So what do you What does your day to day
Speaker 1: look like? Now?
Speaker 4: Oh well, I've got so my main job, I work
Speaker 4: in a research lab and I uh, I help take
Speaker 4: care of the mice. So that's like basic, like just
Speaker 4: seven does to be thirty every day. And then I
Speaker 4: had a part time job where I'm a server at
Speaker 4: a restaurant. But now that the season's over, that's a
Speaker 4: little bit more sparse. So I mean before I was
Speaker 4: doing like sixty seventy hours a week, but now it's
Speaker 4: like pretty pretty open here and there. I'll do some
Speaker 4: landscaping stuff with my brother's dad with my plants around
Speaker 4: the city. But right now I'm just kind of cooling
Speaker 4: it and trying to pinch the pennies until it gets
Speaker 4: warmer again. I do have a few trips lined up.
Speaker 4: I'm going to see my grandmother in Virginia for her
Speaker 4: birthday this weekend, and I'm going to Washington Island with
Speaker 4: my buddies next week, and then going to see my
Speaker 4: cousin in Minneapolis. The week after that, So I'm getting
Speaker 4: out there moving around.
Speaker 1: Yeah that all sounds great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what about you or do you have any big,
Speaker 4: big trips coming up? Saw, I think I saw something
Speaker 4: really you went somewhere very interesting recently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was in Iraq. I still haven't I
Speaker 1: still haven't finished the uh the video for that, but
Speaker 1: that'll I'm hoping to post that video before November ends.
Speaker 4: So can I ask like what prompted like that? That's
Speaker 4: such an interesting like choice of location, Like what prompted
Speaker 4: you to want to go out there?
Speaker 1: Oh it's kind of bored.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I love that. Just bored in Iraq?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is what happens, is like I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: so I'm just like restless and I have to do
Speaker 1: I feel and I have this thing in my gut
Speaker 1: where it's like I have to do grand exciting things
Speaker 1: with my life or else I just feel like I'm dying.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's just a thing I've always had. It's
Speaker 1: the thing I've always had and it and it bites
Speaker 1: me in the fucking tits. But it's just a thing
Speaker 1: I have. And so often like the easiest, this is
Speaker 1: the most the most logistically simple way to achieve that
Speaker 1: is to travel to places, because you know, all you
Speaker 1: have to do yes, like like for example, right, like
Speaker 1: if you like, if I want to do a big, grand,
Speaker 1: cool thing and I have to choose between like writing
Speaker 1: a book or traveling to Iraq, it's gonna be easier
Speaker 1: to like, I can do the emotional I can do
Speaker 1: like the emotional whatever it is of like going on
Speaker 1: that adventure way way more than I can do the
Speaker 1: the work of like sitting alone in a room trying
Speaker 1: to write just get restless. It's adhd.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like that ship, you know. I mean also I
Speaker 1: like doing things that like uh, you know, I getting
Speaker 1: to go there and like connect with people and like
Speaker 1: see the place and you know it's it was. It
Speaker 1: was really cool. I don't know if I have like
Speaker 1: other I have other places I want to go. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I have other like big crazy adventures.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and then I'm going to Canada November sixth.
Speaker 1: I'm doing a show November sixth, I'm doing a show
Speaker 1: in Edmonton at Macewell.
Speaker 4: Then on then on the east or west or side
Speaker 4: of Canada. I forget.
Speaker 1: I want to say. It's in the middle, right right in.
Speaker 4: The middle for sure. Okay. Nice. You know, like, if
Speaker 4: I ever get myself at the Canada with something I've
Speaker 4: always wanted to do is take their their train from
Speaker 4: coast to coast. That sounds sounds like a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to trying to do an Amtrak ride from
Speaker 4: where I'm at out out to Alway sometime soon and
Speaker 4: rent like a room met for like the forty six
Speaker 4: hours you're on it. But that's a little a little
Speaker 4: little pricey at the moment.
Speaker 1: David, it was nice talking to you about life. This
Speaker 1: was this felt like a classic heady talking about life thing.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, you've inspired me to take a
Speaker 1: little bit of a chill pill perhaps.
Speaker 4: Even if it's just for a few days, Like it
Speaker 4: just feels good to just like just you know, just
Speaker 4: sitn't stare at a wall or something. David, don't don't think.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess drink water, call your mom and say
Speaker 4: some gratitudes in the mornings.
Speaker 1: Beautiful. Thank you very much for calling, David.
Speaker 4: Take care, have a great day.
Speaker 1: YouTube. Bye, Hello, what's up? How you doing? How's life
Speaker 1: is this?
Speaker 3: Lyle?
Speaker 1: This is who is this? Who is this? Who is this?
Speaker 3: I said, my name is Brooke. It's a fake name,
Speaker 3: but it's Brooke.
Speaker 1: How's life going, Brooke?
Speaker 3: Let's see it's okay. I I don't know if I
Speaker 3: should like it's kind of gross, but I just got
Speaker 3: a yeast infection for the first time, and I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't. I've never experienced this and I have to
Speaker 3: go to work in like an hour. The shit sucks.
Speaker 1: U What is what are the symptoms of the yeast infection?
Speaker 3: It's gross. It's like the classics, like you know, discharge.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know much about that?
Speaker 1: Tell me. I mean, I mean, uh, like, are there
Speaker 1: can you wear? Like put on a tampon and it
Speaker 1: makes it not happen, It makes it happen less.
Speaker 3: That would be such an easy solution. I wish there
Speaker 3: is like an over the counter medication that I bought today,
Speaker 3: so got to try that out. But you have to. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like a tampon. You put medication in
Speaker 3: your vagina and you like sleep with that in and
Speaker 3: it goes away in like three days. But yeah, for
Speaker 3: next three days, I'm gonna be like in pains, but
Speaker 3: I'm really not trying to focus on that, trying to
Speaker 3: stay positive.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe we could talk about something else and it'll
Speaker 1: distract you from the East infection.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Actually, let's see, I'm moving and let's see like ten
Speaker 3: days to a mountain town. It's a mountaintown in Colorado.
Speaker 3: It's a ski town, and I'm stoked. Wow, Okay, this Sorry,
Speaker 3: we talked like a long time ago, so it's just
Speaker 3: like so funny to be talking to you again. We
Speaker 3: talked like three years ago about some stupid shit, but
Speaker 3: I'm a changed woman and I'm an adult now. I
Speaker 3: feel like the last time I called you, I think
Speaker 3: I was like inebriated. I don't remember exactly what we
Speaker 3: talked about, but it's good to talk to you again.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad that you're doing better. What's changed in
Speaker 1: your life since then?
Speaker 3: Let's see, I graduated college, got a corporate ass dumb
Speaker 3: ass jobs for I had that job for like seven
Speaker 3: months and it was a really good paying job, like
Speaker 3: within my industry that I studied, and then like I
Speaker 3: fucking hated it.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: I actually think I texted you about this, but I
Speaker 3: think this is something I wanted to talk about with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that.
Speaker 3: Like industry. I was a graphic designer for an environmental
Speaker 3: engineering firm, and graphic design is like that's what I
Speaker 3: studied in school, and it's just turned into this like
Speaker 3: horrible thing I hate. Like I quit the corporate job,
Speaker 3: I got started freelancing. I got some gigs within the
Speaker 3: music industry, which was super exciting and fun at first.
Speaker 3: Then like as time went on, I'm realizing how fucked
Speaker 3: up the music industry is, and like everybody is. It's
Speaker 3: just all fucked up, and it's made me despise graphic design.
Speaker 3: And that's part of the reason why I'm moving to
Speaker 3: Steamboat is because or probably shouldn't have disclosed the area
Speaker 3: where I'm moving, but moving to a ski town because yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sick of trying to do the grind, the
Speaker 3: grind mindset and like the whole I don't know, graphic
Speaker 3: design is just stupid. I'm over it. I fucking hate it.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I feel like I've been on every
Speaker 3: single side of it, like publication to illustration to branding
Speaker 3: to merchandise design, Like I've done so much in the
Speaker 3: past three years since I graduated college and and yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess I'm just trying to escape and try something new,
Speaker 3: move to a ski town, see how that works out.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, what do you What are your plans
Speaker 1: in the ski toown? Are you gonna get an the job?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I have. So I quit doing design full time
Speaker 3: eight months ago, and I was doing it part time
Speaker 3: throughout this summer, but I just took my last project
Speaker 3: last month. I'm swearing off any freelance. So in that meantime,
Speaker 3: I've had like a part time restaurant job serving tables,
Speaker 3: and so I'll be doing that up at this at
Speaker 3: the ski town and then working part time at the
Speaker 3: resort as well. And I've got those locked in, So
Speaker 3: I'm stoked about that.
Speaker 1: That's pretty sweet. That sounds like a nice fun job.
Speaker 3: Like serving at a restaurant.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be fun because, like I mean, I'm assuming
Speaker 3: it'll be really good money because all of these tourists
Speaker 3: coming and visiting the town and trying to spend a
Speaker 3: bunch of money on good food on their vacation. I
Speaker 3: feel like it'll be it'll be good for me.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Do you like Yeah, yeah, I'm hoping. So, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's expensive, it's fuck to live there, so I better
Speaker 3: be making good tips or else I can't live there.
Speaker 1: What were you going to say?
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, like, I, you know what you
Speaker 3: said so many things in the previous calls that I
Speaker 3: wanted to bring up. Sure, fuck, what did you say?
Speaker 3: You said something that really resonates? Oh my god, I'm
Speaker 3: I'm blinking anything.
Speaker 1: Anything you can vaguely remember about it, we can remember
Speaker 1: it together.
Speaker 3: It was like the guy who's talking about social media,
Speaker 3: he was you were saying, how that you you delete
Speaker 3: or you haven't deleted social media? But you you don't
Speaker 3: really seem like a slave to it, Like you don't
Speaker 3: seem addicted to it.
Speaker 1: I don't seem addicted to it.
Speaker 3: Is that what you said? No?
Speaker 1: Uh no, no, no no, I'm definitely addicted to it.
Speaker 3: Oh oh oh, but you but you like want to
Speaker 3: change that or like yeah, because I I what he
Speaker 3: was talking about putting like Instagram on his old iPad
Speaker 3: is something that I have tried out. I put it.
Speaker 3: I just have it on my desktop computer. And that
Speaker 3: makes me not want to go on Instagram at all.
Speaker 3: I'm not so much addicted to like Reddit or anything
Speaker 3: else but Instagram. I'm on like Facebook reels and that
Speaker 3: shit sucks. Like I have Facebook on my phone and
Speaker 3: sometimes when I'm really craving like that short term addiction
Speaker 3: brain rot stuff, like there's no brain rot on there.
Speaker 3: It's all like millennial stupid shit. And it really does
Speaker 3: help because it's like it makes me snap into the
Speaker 3: moments of as like why the fuck am I watching
Speaker 3: this Facebook real bullshit? Ye, I would say, like that's
Speaker 3: been my solution, just taking it off my phone and
Speaker 3: then keeping Facebook to remind me like, oh wait, this
Speaker 3: is dumb, you know.
Speaker 1: M oh yeah, okay, So you keep just one social
Speaker 1: media to remind you how much you hate social media,
Speaker 1: as opposed to checking the revolving door of seven different
Speaker 1: social medias to yeah, you know, then remember that you
Speaker 1: hate social media. Yeah, it saves a lot of time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I read it as good for that, because
Speaker 1: every time I go on and read it, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't need to I don't need to be here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, But I'm on Reddit for a lot of
Speaker 3: like art stuff, and I like to look at that,
Speaker 3: but like Reddit for yeah, Reddit for dumb shit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I get that.
Speaker 1: I mean that's how they get you, right, is that
Speaker 1: you're on there for one thing and then it attacks
Speaker 1: you with all these fucking other things.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Like especially Instagram, the algorithm, it's like it's so good.
Speaker 3: It keeps me going, like I don't know, there's you
Speaker 3: know that like picture of like the miner who turns
Speaker 3: around like right before the diamonds like that meme.
Speaker 1: No oh wait, yes, yes I do, Yes, I do, Yes,
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: That's how it feels to be scrolling Instagram reels and
Speaker 3: it's like I just need to give up at some point,
Speaker 3: but I know the next video is going to be
Speaker 3: really good.
Speaker 1: Well, well it's not exactly like that meme because uh,
Speaker 1: there's no you know, I don't really know what diamond
Speaker 1: you're searching for, because even if you find a good video,
Speaker 1: it's like, well you're gonna keep scrolling.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Wow, that was actually really like I like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what am I searching for on Instagram reels? Am I
Speaker 3: trying to? Like? Sometimes I'm you know, how Instagram added
Speaker 3: like the liked by feature so you can see like
Speaker 3: the people you follow who like the reels. Yeah, sometimes
Speaker 3: I feel like I like have have stopped liking reels
Speaker 3: or liking certain reels because I want people to think
Speaker 3: that I like that video or like unlike you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You're trying to like socially signal that you like something exactly.
Speaker 3: And then it's like, well, yeah, like maybe they like
Speaker 3: that too, and then maybe I don't fucking know. But
Speaker 3: then it's like some things I'm scared to like because
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, this doesn't align with my you know
Speaker 3: what I putting out there on Instagram, Like, this doesn't
Speaker 3: go with my brand, I guess, which is so stupid.
Speaker 3: I'm not like an influencer or anything. And this is
Speaker 3: why I deleted this shit because I don't I don't
Speaker 3: care about this. I don't know why why would I
Speaker 3: even care about that? Why would I care about unliking
Speaker 3: shit on Instagram or like what I like? I don't know,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah, it's like, why
Speaker 1: would you even care? It doesn't matter, it is it
Speaker 1: is no offense, a dumb thing to care about, but
Speaker 1: it's yeah's good to understand that it's a dumb thing
Speaker 1: to care about, Like like curating your feed and stuff
Speaker 1: I think is a fool's errand.
Speaker 3: I yeah, I had this like roommate that really wanted
Speaker 3: to be an influencer once and she like it was
Speaker 3: like I don't judge. I really like, I really try
Speaker 3: not to judge people, but this is something that it
Speaker 3: would just be Like she'd be recording us like going
Speaker 3: out to eat and being like, come with me to
Speaker 3: try a new restaurant in the downtown. I'd be like,
Speaker 3: shut up, like literally, what are you doing? You have
Speaker 3: ten followers? Like this is so dumb, Like what what
Speaker 3: is the point of that? Like the restaurant isn't paying
Speaker 3: you to post it? Like you're not getting anything out
Speaker 3: of it except for attention and that that's what they
Speaker 3: get out of it. Mm hm m hm.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Fuck social media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, social media kind of success. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: it to thank for the career I've been able to
Speaker 1: make out of it, but I'd like to not be
Speaker 1: on it at all.
Speaker 3: Do you have like a social media person that does
Speaker 3: all your shit?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: No, No I don't. It's just me. Well, I should
Speaker 1: probably get to get someone. I should probably get someone
Speaker 1: to like start doing that shick because I haven't. I
Speaker 1: mean I fell off significantly, mainly because I just got
Speaker 1: burnt out from like doing all that shit, and I
Speaker 1: I had trouble. Yeah, I mainly just got burnt out
Speaker 1: from doing all that shit and and I kind of
Speaker 1: started feel like I don't even know what the point
Speaker 1: of this shit is anymore.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I think I remembered what I was
Speaker 3: gonna tell you that. Okay, yes, so this wasn't regarding
Speaker 3: the last call, but a few episodes ago. I think
Speaker 3: you mentioned, uh, you don't believe that everything happens for
Speaker 3: a reason. I think that's fucking stupid. I think everything
Speaker 3: does happen for a reason. And I think the whole
Speaker 3: like narrative we're on a floating rock, nothing matters, blah
Speaker 3: blah blah, that is so dumb. I think that's like
Speaker 3: the worst way to approach anything. And I think everything
Speaker 3: happens for a reason because it's like I don't know
Speaker 3: the proper philoso it's de termed, but like, you know,
Speaker 3: the determinism ideal ideology or whatever. Yeah, sure, yeah, I
Speaker 3: feel like, would you prescribe.
Speaker 4: To that or.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I definitely uh secretly subscribe to some form of determinism,
Speaker 1: But I want you to I want to hear more
Speaker 1: about why you think that's stupid, because you seem like
Speaker 1: you have an alternative viewpoint.
Speaker 3: I guess I yeah, I wanted to get your perspective
Speaker 3: a little bit more solified, But I guess I just
Speaker 3: like I just I feel like I've seen a lot
Speaker 3: of people in my like interpersonal relationships that are like
Speaker 3: life doesn't matter, run a floating reps bucket. I'll go
Speaker 3: on that date tonight, I'll go out to this concert Yolo,
Speaker 3: you know, like that mentality, and I feel like that
Speaker 3: fuels this. It just it creates this. Uh it doesn't
Speaker 3: have any roots in reality like it it just has
Speaker 3: no legs, Like it's just like a very like the
Speaker 3: Yolo mentality is so like you should make choices that
Speaker 3: matter because that will affect everything, and that will affect
Speaker 3: your future decisions, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 3: you shouldn't just carelessly make choices because you think it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter, because that wouldn't it's probably gonna hurt you
Speaker 3: in the long run. Or it's like you're not deciding
Speaker 3: anything with your gut or your brain or your heart.
Speaker 3: You're basing it all on Like the Yolo mentality you know,
Speaker 3: you're basing it in like the present moment, but the
Speaker 3: present moment doesn't have like any legs further than that,
Speaker 3: you know. But if you decide and make decisions based
Speaker 3: like you know, uh practically and like with your brain,
Speaker 3: or if you have you make decisions based on feeling
Speaker 3: or your gut, at least that's rooted in something, and
Speaker 3: it's probably based on some sort of series of subconscious
Speaker 3: events that you've occurred to make you choose that decision.
Speaker 3: I just feel like the yolo mentality, it's a plague
Speaker 3: to our society. I feel like so many people are
Speaker 3: are are getting hurt by it. So that's what I think.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, No, I agree with you. I think that
Speaker 1: you're talking about like nihilism, and I think that nihilism is.
Speaker 3: But it's rebranded to be like cool, like the trendy
Speaker 3: thing to do.
Speaker 1: Well, that's like an what you're talking about is like
Speaker 1: an optimistic nihilism.
Speaker 4: But I agree with.
Speaker 1: You, I don't. I don't know if I agree with
Speaker 1: you necessarily that nihilism isn't rooted in some form of reality,
Speaker 1: but I totally agree with you that it's not helpful.
Speaker 1: It's not helpful. At all. It's really really not helpful
Speaker 1: at all. I don't like it. I don't like determinism.
Speaker 1: I don't like nihilism. I yeah, I hate it, and
Speaker 1: I hate it. I'd so much rather be Although I
Speaker 1: think when you're talking about things like, oh, Yolo, I'll
Speaker 1: go on this date and I'll go to this concert whatever,
Speaker 1: I think that these are people who are using the
Speaker 1: fact that, uh, you know, I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: Yolo is the worst ever motto. I think it's good
Speaker 1: to recognize that you know your time. I think it's
Speaker 1: good to recognize that your shit is finite and make
Speaker 1: decisions based off of that that there is really no future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yes, I do agree with that. I think that,
Speaker 3: but it is like important that I don't know, I
Speaker 3: think it's important to think about like there is a
Speaker 3: future and like this does have repercussions, and I don't know,
Speaker 3: I feel like it's just kind of it also, like, uh,
Speaker 3: what devalues the present moment as well, like or like
Speaker 3: you know, devalues everything else around you. It's a little
Speaker 3: bit selfish. Also, like the Yelo mentality or the float
Speaker 3: We're on a floating rock, so it doesn't matters mentality
Speaker 3: I think is like it's just it's not good. It's bad.
Speaker 1: In what way do you think it devalues the present moment,
Speaker 1: because because you would argue that that it's sincerely that
Speaker 1: it uh values the present moment right a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is like the general argument. But I
Speaker 3: do think that, like we're on a floating rock. It's like,
Speaker 3: well not to not to get like so woo woo,
Speaker 3: but it is like we're on the earth. The earth
Speaker 3: is our home. This is like a finite resource we
Speaker 3: live on. We can't just like make careless decisions about
Speaker 3: this floating rock is very important, and like everybody lives
Speaker 3: here and we have to treat this environment, this space,
Speaker 3: our community with like more premeditated actions. I think that, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that like it devalues the present moment because
Speaker 3: in the present moment, we're living on this shared planet,
Speaker 3: the shared space, and so it's like my present moment's
Speaker 3: more important than anybody else's or like I don't think
Speaker 3: that necessarily in the context of going to a concert
Speaker 3: or on a date, but you know, it can get
Speaker 3: like spiral pretty fast, and I don't know, I feel
Speaker 3: like I've just seen it happen within my friends making
Speaker 3: careless decisions or family. So that's really what it's rooted in.
Speaker 1: No, I see, I see what you mean. I see
Speaker 1: what I see what you mean. And again, like it's
Speaker 1: we have the same information, but we're having two different
Speaker 1: perspectives on it. And I think you have a good
Speaker 1: I think you have a good perspective. I think that
Speaker 1: that's that's a totally reasonable one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're on this like two sides of
Speaker 3: the same coin.
Speaker 1: What's your name again?
Speaker 3: Uh? Brooke?
Speaker 1: Brooke?
Speaker 3: Mm hm, oh my god, the last time, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say the last time. It's funny
Speaker 3: because I started off this conversation about my use infection,
Speaker 3: but the last time I called you was about an
Speaker 3: STD I had. I have a bad track record on
Speaker 3: the GETO Show.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a bad track record. That's just
Speaker 1: you know, that's just your life.
Speaker 3: It's just life. You're there for me in my darkest moment.
Speaker 1: I'm honored to be there for you in your darkest moments. Brooke,
Speaker 1: is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 3: Fred Love show, Love, check up on your friends, drink
Speaker 3: some water, say hid to your grandma, love.
Speaker 1: You, thank you, Broke, have a good night to bye bye.
Speaker 1: But I agree with Brooks postulate that I'd certainly rather
Speaker 1: think like Brooke, that there is a future and we
Speaker 1: should be doing stuff now, whether you know, in the
Speaker 1: world or in our own lives, that are kind of
Speaker 1: like plant the seeds for a better future. So I
Speaker 1: do agree. I do agree with her perspective in that way. Hey, folks,
Speaker 1: what's up. It's me. It's Lyle and uh, we're going
Speaker 1: to do a thing where we end this episode by
Speaker 1: reading viewer mail. I've been enjoying doing these hybrid geck
Speaker 1: mail phone call episodes, so let's do some viewer mail.
Speaker 1: If you want to submit view or mail for the future,
Speaker 1: you can mail me or you know, I mean email me.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to, you can mail me,
Speaker 1: but you got to find out where I live first,
Speaker 1: and I don't keep that information public. Don't try to
Speaker 1: figure out where I live. Don't do that. Just just
Speaker 1: send me an email. It's way easy. You can email
Speaker 1: me at therapy geckomail at gmail dot com. But before
Speaker 1: you do that, let's listen to some people who already
Speaker 1: emailed me at therapy geckogmail dot com and let's see
Speaker 1: what they have to say, all right, subject line Gek
Speaker 1: mail from Dylan. This is from Dylan. Hi Gek. I'm
Speaker 1: twenty six and a longtime listener, big fan of everything
Speaker 1: you do. I'm not the best with words, but I'll
Speaker 1: do my best. I love traveling and going on new adventures,
Speaker 1: and I really want to travel overseas again. I live
Speaker 1: near Sydney, Australia, and the only place I've ever been
Speaker 1: overseas is Bali about fifteen times. Now, WHOA fifteen times?
Speaker 1: That's a lot of times. I started going there when
Speaker 1: I was a kid with my mom, dad, and sister.
Speaker 1: Later on, my parents divorced. I think because my mom cheated,
Speaker 1: though no one ever told me for sure. I never
Speaker 1: pushed my dad about it because he's not great at
Speaker 1: talking about that kind of thing. After the divorce, my
Speaker 1: mom moved to Bali with her new partner, while I
Speaker 1: stayed in Australia with my dad. About a year ago,
Speaker 1: I started visiting my mom and Bali on my own.
Speaker 1: My dad didn't want to come, so I would travel
Speaker 1: by myself. I was only about ten at the time. Wait,
Speaker 1: I said about a year later, right, not a year ago,
Speaker 1: because that would mean it was eleven. I just want
Speaker 1: to make sure. About a year later, I started visiting
Speaker 1: my mom and Bali on my own. My dad didn't
Speaker 1: want to come, so I would travel by myself. I
Speaker 1: was only about ten at the time. Someone from the
Speaker 1: airport would help me through the lines and make sure
Speaker 1: I got there safely. It made me feel pretty special.
Speaker 1: You just remember that movie Unaccompanied Miners. This is not
Speaker 1: part of the email. This is just me doing a thing.
Speaker 1: It's like about oh yeah, it's like a two thousand
Speaker 1: and six movie about kids on Christmas their unaccompanied miners.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that movie, all right. Sorry, through the
Speaker 1: rest of this cause email that I'm gonna stop. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stop interrupt, I'm gonna read the email. I even
Speaker 1: brought back a few laser pointers to sell to my schoolmates,
Speaker 1: which I now realized was a dumb idea since they're
Speaker 1: illegal here, but at the time it felt like a
Speaker 1: cool little business. The whole point is that it's illegal.
Speaker 1: That's it's like, that's like saying I used to sell
Speaker 1: weed in high school, which I realized was a dumb
Speaker 1: idea because it's illegal. It's like, of course, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I really will stop interrupting this time. Why
Speaker 1: are laser pointers illegal in Australia. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is frustrating for you guys to listen to, but
Speaker 1: hold on, Why are laser pointers illegal in Australia. Laser
Speaker 1: pointers are not completely illegal in Australia, but are strictly regulated,
Speaker 1: primarily because aiming them at an aircraft is a serious
Speaker 1: and dangerous offense. Okay, but can you really can a
Speaker 1: laser pointer really fucking go that far? And also why
Speaker 1: just Australia, They're not the only one that have planes.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Those trips to Bali were amazing. I got
Speaker 1: to spend my school holidays with my mom, and she
Speaker 1: had more kids there, my three younger half brothers. Sadly,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them since I was sixteen. My mom
Speaker 1: passed away from breast cancer when I was fifteen, and
Speaker 1: the last time I went to Bali was for her funeral.
Speaker 1: After that, I didn't want to go back. Airplanes just
Speaker 1: reminded me of her and flying became too hard emotionally.
Speaker 1: I'd love to see my brothers again, just to make
Speaker 1: sure they're okay, but their dad left a bad impression
Speaker 1: on me. When my mom died only two weeks later,
Speaker 1: he emptied my savings account. What the fuck about twenty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars that my dad had been putting money into
Speaker 1: since I was born. That's fucked up because it was
Speaker 1: a shared account with my mom and her husband at
Speaker 1: the time. There was nothing I could do. Dude, that's
Speaker 1: fucked up. Is there really nothing you could do that's
Speaker 1: fucked up? Man? There's no way to say, like, is
Speaker 1: that I guess? Damn? Yeah, I guess. If it's a
Speaker 1: shared account with your mom, like he legally can do
Speaker 1: that, that sucks. I'm sorry, man, Damn that made me lose
Speaker 1: trust in him, and it's part of why I'm scared
Speaker 1: to reach out now. I don't even know if my
Speaker 1: brothers remember me. They were all toddlers when my mom
Speaker 1: passed away, But I still think about them and hope
Speaker 1: they're doing all right. These days, I try to stay positive.
Speaker 1: I've got a beautiful wife, and together we've worked hard
Speaker 1: to fire to buy our first property in a country town.
Speaker 1: We're building our dream house, and I hope that one
Speaker 1: day my brothers might find me and maybe we can
Speaker 1: share a joint together and catch up on everything we missed. Wow,
Speaker 1: what an email. Thanks for sending this, Dylan.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 1: What a story you've got. You seem like a really
Speaker 1: nice guy, Dylan. I'm sorry to hear that your stepdad
Speaker 1: did that to you when you were a kid. Uh No,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's worth reaching out to. I mean
Speaker 1: that's a really rotten fucking thing to do. But I
Speaker 1: don't know the half brothers right like. I mean, you
Speaker 1: could do a little facebooking, I'm sure, and try to
Speaker 1: find them. I'm sure if you wanted to, you can
Speaker 1: do a little facebooking. If you have a you have
Speaker 1: a wife, and shit, I'm sure you're I don't it
Speaker 1: doesn't say exactly how old you are, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: guess you're at least in your late twenties. And yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe I haven't seen them in a you know, over
Speaker 1: a decade, but I think it's worth it to do
Speaker 1: a little bit of facebooking and reach out to them.
Speaker 1: How are things going? I wish I could talk to
Speaker 1: this guy. If you Dylan, if you, if you hear this,
Speaker 1: send me a I mean giving you a call on
Speaker 1: the podcast sometime. I want to. I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you. I want to hear how your your dad
Speaker 1: is doing. I want to know about more about your life.
Speaker 1: That's cool, man, I'm glad that you That's really hard
Speaker 1: to lose your mom at fifteen, but you still went
Speaker 1: on to, uh, you know, make a proper life for yourself. Brother.
Speaker 1: That's really cool. That's really cool. Yeah, you should reach
Speaker 1: out to your half siblings see how they're doing on
Speaker 1: Mate book or whatever they got in Australia. Thanks for
Speaker 1: sharing that story, Dylan. Sorry, sorry I kept interrupting it
Speaker 1: with the stupid laser porter thing. Although I am I
Speaker 1: still don't get why they're illegal in in Melbourne or
Speaker 1: in all of Australia. Okay, I'm looking at my Google
Speaker 1: Chrome window and it says gek mail from Dylan Unaccompanied
Speaker 1: Miners Wikipedia and then r Laser's legal on to Reddit.
Speaker 1: All right, this is from Charles subject line what is camouflage?
Speaker 3: Hi, Lyle.
Speaker 1: My name is Charlie. I'm from England and I saw
Speaker 1: you live at the Clapham grand I ate three hot
Speaker 1: dogs at the show, very stoned. It was amazing. Thank you, Charlie.
Speaker 1: Me and my brother currently have a disagreement about camouflage.
Speaker 1: My brother made the point that leopard print genes must
Speaker 1: be camouflage, as leopard's fur is camouflage in its natural habitat.
Speaker 1: I believe that once the camo is taken out of
Speaker 1: the environment it blends in it is no longer camouflage
Speaker 1: and is now just a funky pattern. Therefore, animal print
Speaker 1: genes aren't camouflage, unless if you're in a jungle. We
Speaker 1: would love your insight ps come back to England.
Speaker 4: Hmm.
Speaker 1: I will try to come back to England. But about
Speaker 1: the camouflage thing, I don't really have an opinion on this,
Speaker 1: but I like the way that your brain is going
Speaker 1: with this, right because listen, nobody who buys camo genes
Speaker 1: or leopard print genes is using them for the purpose
Speaker 1: of camouflage. They're buying it because it is a funky pattern.
Speaker 1: But just because the thing is not being utilized for
Speaker 1: its intended purpose at the time it is being used,
Speaker 1: does that necessarily mean that it is not that thing.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting like a philosophical conundrum. It's like a
Speaker 1: ship a thesis kind of a thing. I like to
Speaker 1: be contrarian, so I'm gonna join you in saying that
Speaker 1: leper print genes are not camouflage. They're just a funky pattern.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like it pisses off your brother that
Speaker 1: you said that, And I think that's kind of funny.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with you on that that it's
Speaker 1: not camouflage, is just a funky pattern. All right. This
Speaker 1: is from Thinn subject line, whatever you put out, you
Speaker 1: get back, Hey Lyle, longtime listener here. Recently I moved
Speaker 1: away from home to study abroad for a year. Just
Speaker 1: for a bit of context. Like the majority of people
Speaker 1: in Ireland my age, I have lived at home with
Speaker 1: parents my entire life, even though it's only a year.
Speaker 1: When making the decision to live away, I was filled
Speaker 1: with a lot of anxiety about what would change in
Speaker 1: my life and if things would be different after moving.
Speaker 1: Even though these are understandable fears, I'm really glad I
Speaker 1: decided to move. As much as I loved my home
Speaker 1: and my family and friends, I feel like the version
Speaker 1: of me that stayed would be much less fulfilled than
Speaker 1: the current me that left. It's also cool dad lore
Speaker 1: for the future. Going into this, I wanted to treat
Speaker 1: it as a fresh start. I decided to be more
Speaker 1: confident and open. It wasn't as easy at the start,
Speaker 1: but now I've made a lot of new friends and
Speaker 1: I'm still keeping in touch with my friends back home.
Speaker 1: This experience has also made me much more open to
Speaker 1: trying new things and following my dreams. I've gotten more
Speaker 1: into music, and I'm following my passions more openly and honestly,
Speaker 1: as I used to feel pretty embarrassed saying out loud
Speaker 1: that I wanted to make music. I'm still learning and adjusting,
Speaker 1: but I'm definitely a lot less scared of change. If
Speaker 1: I've learned one thing from this experience so far, it's
Speaker 1: that whatever you put out into the universe, you could
Speaker 1: often get back. I've made friends with a lot of
Speaker 1: new people who both share interest with me and are
Speaker 1: into things that I'm not really into myself. Thanks for
Speaker 1: doing the show. Even though I recommend studying abroad, it
Speaker 1: can get pretty lonely sometimes, so having a familiar voice
Speaker 1: can be pretty nice. Hope to call in someday. Thanks.
Speaker 1: I'm happy for you, finn. I really really strongly believe Listen, guys,
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I know that not everyone has the means to be
Speaker 1: able to leave their hometown. But if you do, or
Speaker 1: if you have an inkling that you might want to try,
Speaker 1: I recommend it. You know, I think you know any
Speaker 1: of my life philosophies or whatever. They only come from
Speaker 1: how I'm wired and everyone's wired differently. But I really
Speaker 1: think it's like, you know, I don't know, I don't know. Man,
Speaker 1: you only live for such a short amount of time.
Speaker 1: You should go and see the fucking world. So good
Speaker 1: for you, Finn. This is from Chris. Subject line, first
Speaker 1: time get mailer. Hey, Lyle, my name is Republicus. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep Chris, I mean Republicists whatever. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna blur. I don't think I'm not gonna cut out
Speaker 1: your real name, but Chris Republicus okay.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of new to the community. I've seen the
Speaker 1: show before. I've heard some good things talked about on
Speaker 1: the show, and it has made me want to reach
Speaker 1: out and see what advice I can get or give back.
Speaker 1: I'm married, thirty four year old male to a gorgeous woman,
Speaker 1: and I have three boys. It's cool. I like being
Speaker 1: a father. It's nice having some boys, you know, me
Speaker 1: and my boys. That wasn't that wasn't in his email.
Speaker 1: That was me commenting on his email. My married life
Speaker 1: is amazing. Also, I have in my life the one
Speaker 1: person in my life who knows who I am and
Speaker 1: can always see the true me. She knows all of
Speaker 1: my quirks, and I love that she knows these things.
Speaker 1: We've been together for fourteen years. We've had our fights,
Speaker 1: and we've almost separated, but we've learned and we are
Speaker 1: continuing to learn how to communicate better. We've worked hard
Speaker 1: for the things we have, just like anyone else does.
Speaker 1: I don't have wealth in the denominal way, but I
Speaker 1: am very wealthy in the love I have with the
Speaker 1: people I hold closest to me. Now, enough of me
Speaker 1: patting myself on the back. I'm curious just to share
Speaker 1: a little bit of myself with you and the audience
Speaker 1: in the hopes that maybe I'm not totally alone in
Speaker 1: some aspects of life. Aliens, Maybe ancient history really cool
Speaker 1: and fun sometimes. Okay, I'm not sure where this is going,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna keep reading it. I recently got into Hima,
Speaker 1: the historical European Martial Arts. Been checking in on atlass
Speaker 1: here and there, but the government shut down and NASA
Speaker 1: went blind. These are just some of the things I
Speaker 1: try to enjoy and fill my head with so reality
Speaker 1: goes away. Moving on, I drive trucks for a living
Speaker 1: trash specif he wrote trash in all caps. It's a
Speaker 1: fun work environment, and I enjoy driving all day. My
Speaker 1: two youngest are in school, and the oldest is living
Speaker 1: at home but working two jobs. My missus works for
Speaker 1: the state government. Sh He wrote, that's all I will
Speaker 1: say about that. Then he wrote parentheses. It kind of
Speaker 1: ramps up a little. Also, I have been adding salt
Speaker 1: and pepper to my previous statements. Sorry if it gets rambling.
Speaker 1: I really this is an audio. I'm not reading the email.
Speaker 1: This is an audio experience. So I really like I
Speaker 1: can't show you this email, but I really wish I could,
Speaker 1: because it's this really feels like something to read, all right.
Speaker 1: It is a really funny thing. Trying to send this email.
Speaker 1: I'm finding it's taking a few days to do, so wow, okay,
Speaker 1: how many I'm curious how many days this has been written?
Speaker 1: Over see currently, as of this paragraph, it's been four
Speaker 1: days or longer to get this all finished. There we go,
Speaker 1: I remember to myself, Oh yeah, GEK and I come back.
Speaker 1: It's been chill for the most part, but at this
Speaker 1: moment I'm a little hurt physically lmal. I fucking tripped
Speaker 1: at work while on my personal time changing my car tires.
Speaker 1: Then I spent two to three hours nearly destroying my
Speaker 1: boss's equipment to change my tires, all because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to help using the all because I didn't want
Speaker 1: help using the mechanical, intuitive, useful tool that I thought
Speaker 1: I knew how to use. To top off the level
Speaker 1: of frustration I was feeling in that moment, my gorgeous
Speaker 1: wife texted and called, wondering why I'm not home, and
Speaker 1: of course I take it that she is upset that
Speaker 1: I am not done with the tires parentheses real quick.
Speaker 1: In between nearly breaking my boss's things and my wife calling,
Speaker 1: I had also tore the wall of my tire while
Speaker 1: using the machine. Thank you in parentheses. Okay, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to follow this. I'm yelling at her because I think
Speaker 1: she's yelling at me, while she, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: is just trying to see if I'm hurt or dead
Speaker 1: or just mentally stable. I hang up, finish the tire
Speaker 1: swap all caps so unconventionally finally drive home and apologize
Speaker 1: to my beautiful wife Parentheses, sorry if the simping is
Speaker 1: too much, and started this paragraph. It's our I think
Speaker 1: it's all right to sinp for your wife. I think
Speaker 1: that's okay, Republicus. Anyways, it's been chill just taking the
Speaker 1: time to finally finish this email. Weird how parentheses therapy
Speaker 1: can work when you have such a wise and humble
Speaker 1: gecko that simply listens, analyze, and tries to be concise
Speaker 1: with what he says. I appreciate that, Gigi's Republicus. Whow
Speaker 1: all right that we did it. I could see I
Speaker 1: could see myself for every day it took for you
Speaker 1: to write this email. It took me an extra two
Speaker 1: minutes to read it and comprehend it. But even though
Speaker 1: I don't think I fully even though I don't think
Speaker 1: I fully comprehended you, Republicus, just by judging by this email,
Speaker 1: you're the kind of guy i'd be down to hang
Speaker 1: out with. I'm curious what your life is like. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like I got a pretty good idea of
Speaker 1: what your life is like from this email, and I
Speaker 1: like it. I like the way you live. I'm happy
Speaker 1: that you exist. I really, I'm not even just bullshiting this.
Speaker 1: You know, you have three boys, you have a wife
Speaker 1: that you're nice too, that you've been together with since
Speaker 1: you were fucking twenty. You got jobs, your kids are
Speaker 1: in school, like you're a real human being on their
Speaker 1: planet Earth right now. I have a lot of respect
Speaker 1: for you. Republicus call in some time. I want to
Speaker 1: know what republicist means. And I also want to know
Speaker 1: what the hell you were using to fix your tires.
Speaker 1: Well that's gek mail. That was viewer mail. Once again,
Speaker 1: if you want to send me an email, you can
Speaker 1: do it at therapy geckomail at gmail dot com. Thank you,
Speaker 1: guys very much for for not recording. I'm the one recording,
Speaker 1: But thank you very much for listening to the thing
Speaker 1: that I have recorded. I appreciate that very much. I
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed listening to this episode. I hope that
Speaker 1: this was fun for you guys to or informative or good.
Speaker 1: I hope it was worth your time to listen to
Speaker 1: this thing. I'm not wearing pants. I haven't been wearing
Speaker 1: pants this whole time. I'm just in my underwear, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go put on pants and that's it. I
Speaker 1: don't have anything else to say. Thank you, sincerely from
Speaker 1: the bottom of my heart for listening to this podcast,
Speaker 1: and I hope you keep listening, and I hope you
Speaker 1: tell your friends, and I hope that this show has
Speaker 1: been helpful or anything at all to you in the
Speaker 1: time that I've done it. And I feel honored to
Speaker 1: be a geck on the computer. Thank you, guys. Bye bye.
Speaker 3: Never goes on the line taking your phone calls.
Speaker 1: Every night, every beacon goes on and ride. You're teaching
Speaker 1: your cloud in the middle of your life that he's
Speaker 1: not really an expert.