1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: This podcast is based in large part of the book 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Born Ready, The Mixed Legacy of Lembys. 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: Some quotes are narrated by Davon Grady. 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: A podcast producer and the author of the book, from 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: interviews done for the book. Recordings for these comments were 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: not available. Yeah, I'm next in Lembays A mixed Legacy 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: From tragedy to tryumph Maryland basketball after the death of lembyas. 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: Well. 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 3: I mean, Maryland suffered an unspeakable trauma with Bias' death, 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 3: and the reaction was swift and far reaching, and it 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: was a trauma that lasted for a. 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: Long long time. 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 4: From the beginning, Bob Wade was the Higher Chancellor, John Slaughter. 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 4: He did not go John Slaughter did not go through 15 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 4: the usual channels the Higher Bob Wade. 16 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 5: We tried to make overtures to him and talk to 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 5: him and to help him out, and he would come 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 5: in go to his office, and we just never saw it. 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 6: I enjoyed playing with my teammate, but how is that 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 6: game being fun? 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: It wasn't for me personally. Whatever it wasn't, He wasn't. 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 7: It wasn't fun. 23 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 8: It was devastating, it really was. That's the only word 24 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 8: I could use. You know, we're at the bottom of 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 8: the pile and trying to look up and see how 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 8: you could not just pass six other really good teams, 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 8: but to be competitive with Duke in North Carolina. 28 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 9: I wanted to be a good player at home. I 29 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 9: wanted my family and friends to see me. I wanted 30 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 9: to show that I can't have the same impact as. 31 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 10: Some days. 32 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 11: He'd just come in there shaking his head. He says, 33 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 11: I don't know where we're going to get this thing 34 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 11: turned around. You know, this is such a mess. 35 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 12: Gary William So it's probably one of the few people 36 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 12: in the country who had the intestinal fortitude to endure 37 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 12: the dark days of basketball and to bring Maryland's programs 38 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 12: out of that. 39 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 13: He was the best Milic Kutson players and up to 40 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 13: the top of the Georgia Dorn roots and the kids 41 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 13: have done it. 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 14: Maryland went their first ever national champion a. 43 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 15: Bought it a game with you. 44 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 16: Suit on the day Lefty Grisel became Maryland's head coach 45 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 16: in nineteen sixty nine, he boasted that he would turn 46 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 16: the Terps into the Ucla of the East. He didn't 47 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 16: quite reach that lofty goal, but Drizzl did revive a 48 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 16: program that won its only ACC tournament title in nineteen 49 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 16: fifty eight and struggled through the nineteen sixties. 50 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 7: In the nineteen. 51 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 16: Seventies, Drizzl had one of the best teams in the country, 52 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 16: but for most of the decade, only the conference tournament 53 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 16: champion advanced to the NCUBLEA Tournament. The best he could 54 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 16: do was leading Maryland to the nc DOUBLEA Tournament Elite 55 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 16: eight one time. Two and a half years later, some 56 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 16: five months after Lenbias died, Drizzell was out as Maryland's coach. 57 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 16: It was not by his own preference. No college basketball 58 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 16: program in the country fell and rose again as dramatically 59 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 16: as Maryland. It took Gary Williams five years to get 60 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 16: Maryland back into the NCUBLEA Tournament. In two thousand and one, 61 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 16: Maryland played in their first Final four, and the next 62 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 16: year it won its only national championship. Jay Billis played 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 16: against Bias for four years during his college career at Duke. 64 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 16: Billis was an assistant coach for Duke in the early 65 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 16: nineteen nineties, and he's now a provocative basketball analyst for ESPN. 66 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: Maryland suffered an unspeakable trauma with Bias's death, and the 67 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: reaction was swift and far reaching. A lot of people 68 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: lost their careers over that, or at least had their 69 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 3: careers derailed and sent in a completely different direction. 70 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: And it was a trauma that lasted for a long 71 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: long time. 72 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 3: You know, they were in a hole and they started 73 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 3: digging once they got in it. 74 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 16: Bob Wade was introduced as Maryland's head coach on October thirtieth, 75 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 16: nineteen eighty six, one day after Lefty Drasel resigned. It 76 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 16: was an historic day. Wade was the first black head 77 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 16: coach hired by an Atlantic Coast Conference basketball program. 78 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 17: There's something we've looked forward to all of our lives. 79 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 15: And anytime. 80 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 17: A person loves to work with youngsters and loves to 81 00:04:54,640 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 17: coach basketball, I think of no other opportunity or none 82 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 17: other opportunity could exist to begin the opportunity to coach 83 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 17: on the next level at the University of Maryland. 84 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 16: Wade left Dunbar High School in Baltimore, where he was 85 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 16: working as the school's football coach. He was also the 86 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 16: school's basketball coach. That's what made him an attraction to Maryland. 87 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 16: In his ten years as Dunbar's basketball coach, Wade won 88 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 16: three mythical National Basketball Championships. Players on those teams included 89 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 16: Muggsy Bogus, Reggie Williams, and David Wingate. 90 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 7: All future NBA players. 91 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 16: His teams lost only twenty five games in ten years. 92 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 16: Malty Glassman covered Wade at Dunbar as a high school 93 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 16: reporter for the Baltimore Evening Sun. By the time Wade 94 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 16: became Maryland's coach, she moved on to the Maryland Athletics 95 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 16: beat Glassman fields. The hiring of Wade by Chancellor John 96 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 16: Slaughter was motivated by a need for dramatic change in 97 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 16: the program. One area of interest was the athletic department's 98 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 16: fundraising group, the Terrapin Club. 99 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 4: He really was trying to get away from that culture 100 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 4: of having the Terrapin Club be supportive of things. He 101 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 4: wanted to create a whole different atmosphere at Maryland, and 102 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 4: Bob Wade was his tool to do that. John Slaughter 103 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 4: did not go through the usual channels to hire Bob Wade. 104 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 4: I'm sure he didn't seek. 105 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: Counsel from. 106 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 4: The athletic department because the athletic department was crumbling. 107 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 16: Slaughter claimed he did his due diligence in hiring Wade. 108 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 16: He consulted such prominent coaches as Georgetown's John Thompson, North 109 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 16: Carolina's Dean Smith, and North Carolina State's Jim Valvano. The 110 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 16: coaches supported choosing Wade. 111 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 10: Slaughter told me, to a person, they had nothing but 112 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 10: quality things to say. Some had coached with him at 113 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 10: summer camps. Balvano's and Bob's wife were close friends. It 114 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 10: was not a spur of the moment decision. 115 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 16: Slaughter liked that Wade was considered a strict disciplinarian and 116 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 16: made sure his players studied further. He liked that Wade 117 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 16: had strong connections to Baltimore, Maryland struggled to recruit top 118 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 16: talent from that city, only a half hour from College Park. 119 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 16: Sue Tyler was an assistant athletic director when Wade took over. 120 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,119 Speaker 16: She recalls Wade appeared to be reluctant to fit into 121 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 16: what remained of that Maryland family. 122 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 18: Well, first of all, I think it was a really 123 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 18: tough situation for him to walk into, and I believe 124 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 18: a few of my friends with coaching staff, we tried 125 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 18: to make overtures to him and talked to him and 126 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 18: to help him out, and. 127 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 5: We just never saw him. He would come in, go 128 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 5: to practice, do his thing, and then lead or go 129 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 5: to his office, and he didn't come to any meetings. 130 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 5: He had other people do all the other things that 131 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 5: coaches have to do about, you know, signing out money 132 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 5: and signing out getting things from the equipment rooms and 133 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 5: talking to equipment people. He did none of the day 134 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 5: to day things. He had other people do all of that, 135 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 5: and he was pretty much strictly the coach. 136 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 16: Wade was named coach two weeks after the traditional starting 137 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 16: date for teams to practice. Slaughter decided to move back 138 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 16: the opening game until early December. The challenges on the 139 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 16: court were many. The team had six new players, only 140 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 16: five players return from the previous year. One was sophomore 141 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 16: John Johnson. He struggled to adjust to wade style. 142 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: It was just a chol. 143 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 15: You know. 144 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 6: I enjoyed playing my teammates, but as far as that 145 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 6: game being. 146 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 3: Fun, it wasn't for me personally. 147 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 2: Whatever it wasn't, he wasn't. It wasn't fun enough. 148 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 6: You picked the wrong man to come in at whatever, 149 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 6: and at a time when we need somebody to suppotim. 150 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 16: Derek Lewis had played for Wade before when Wade coached 151 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 16: the McDonald's All American High School team. He was a 152 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 16: junior that first year under Wade. 153 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 19: I think anyone coming in with in that situation them 154 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 19: bias was going to be in over the head as 155 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 19: far as that situation. Now, as far as coaching, I 156 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 19: mean he was, he gave, He was given a team 157 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 19: and nothing. 158 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 16: Maryland finished the season nine and seventeen. That matched its 159 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 16: previous worst record for the nineteen sixty three sixty four season, 160 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 16: and for the first time since the nineteen forty forty 161 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 16: one season, Maryland failed to. 162 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 7: Win a conference game. 163 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 16: Mally Glassman was not surprised about the way that season ended. 164 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, I did talk to Wade, and I as I recall, 165 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 4: he was very certain of his ability to recruit at 166 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 4: the college level. He knew the college recruiting game inside 167 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 4: and out. From the high school's perspective, the on the 168 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 4: court coaching was. 169 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 18: A big question mark. 170 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 16: Wade's second season ended differently. Maryland finished six and eight 171 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 16: in the conference, but eighteen and thirteen overall. The Terps 172 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 16: lost in the second round of the NCAA Tournament to Kentucky. 173 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 16: It helped that Tony Massenberg and Keith Gatlin both suspended 174 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 16: during the prior season, rejoined the team. Gatland finished the 175 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 16: season with a twelve point one points per game average, 176 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 16: the best of his career, and he was comfortable playing 177 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 16: with Wade. 178 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 20: Keith Gatlin told me I didn't have a problem with 179 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 20: him at all. Bob was good to me. He was 180 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 20: in a tough situation. He could never do the things 181 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 20: he wanted to do. When we played for coach Briselle, 182 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 20: we always got the gym whenever we wanted it. 183 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: Whatever he said we got. 184 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 20: When coach Wade came in the women's team had more 185 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 20: pool than he did. It was unfortunate. I never thought 186 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 20: the university gave him a fair shot. Coach Wade didn't 187 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 20: have a chance in hell to survive at Maryland. 188 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 16: Wade's recruiting acumen that Glassman mentioned paid off in his 189 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 16: second year. Brian Williams, a third team Parade All American, 190 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 16: came in as a freshman. He averaged twelve points and 191 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 16: six rebounds that year. Wade's third year started to fall 192 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 16: apart well before Maryland started pre season practice. Due to 193 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 16: graduation transfers, a red shirt, and academic problems. Eight players 194 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 16: failed to return from the prior year. One transfer was Williams, 195 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 16: who left for Arizona. He blamed communication problems in the 196 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 16: program and said that he could not improve sufficiently under Wade. 197 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 16: Williams later played eight seasons in the NBA and won 198 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 16: a league title with the Bulls in nineteen ninety seven. 199 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 16: Wade's third year was disastrous. Maryland endured a nine game 200 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 16: losing streak and won just one ACC game. It was 201 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 16: their second worst conference record in history. They finished nine 202 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 16: and twenty overall. As a senior, Johnson had his best year, 203 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 16: averaging some fifteen points a game. Still, he almost quit 204 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 16: the team. 205 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: Yes, but me, I was done with it. 206 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 6: I say, I was ready to pack it in. 207 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 15: What you going to do to Van scholarship? I'm already 208 00:12:59,320 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 15: going graduate. 209 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 16: In the end, Johnson decided to finish out his career 210 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 16: after talking with athletic director Lou Perkins. He told Johnson 211 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 16: that quitting would set Maryland basketball back years. Wade admitted 212 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 16: to breaking several nc DOUBLEA rules, and he resigned in 213 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 16: mid May. Chuck Walsh was the team's media relations director 214 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 16: at the time. He claims that several people within Maryland's 215 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 16: athletic department told him that Wade began breaking NCUBA violations 216 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 16: his first day on the job. As Walsh saw it, 217 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 16: Wade didn't intend to break the rules. He just didn't 218 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 16: know enough about the rules to avoid violating them. Sue Tyler, 219 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 16: an assistant athletic director at the time, was among those 220 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 16: who tried to help them. 221 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 21: We tried to help him out because the NCAA rules 222 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 21: and regulations and are quite different than they are in 223 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 21: high school, and they're very complex and it's very difficult 224 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 21: to navigate some. 225 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 18: Of the even in the university. So we wanted to 226 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 18: reach out to him, and he didn't seem to want 227 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 18: to be you know, wouldn't want to be helped. 228 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 15: I didn't want to. 229 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 18: Be around us. He was kind of he was besieged 230 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 18: by the press, and any time the press was around, 231 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 18: they were. 232 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 5: Almost chasing him to talk to him. So I think 233 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 5: he felt pursued and besieged and pressured. So he had 234 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 5: a tough spot and really tough spot. 235 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 16: Not that everyone would have been supportive. Bentley's Restaurant has 236 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 16: been in College Park since the late nineteen seventies. Its 237 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 16: founder and owner, John Brown developed a strong friendship with 238 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 16: Wade and his family. The team often dined at the restaurant. 239 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 16: Brown recalled the time the Terrapin Club called a meeting 240 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 16: for Maryland's coaches, but Wade was not invited. At the 241 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 16: urging of Wade's wife, Brown the next day stopped by 242 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 16: Wade's house to visit a sobbing. Wade asked Brown why 243 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 16: he was not included. Brown replied he did not know, 244 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 16: but he should have been. 245 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 10: Brown told me it seemed to go more and more 246 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 10: like that. Him not doing what they wanted Bob made 247 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 10: it difficult. If you didn't know him, he could be 248 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 10: aloof It was a divide. They hung him out to 249 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 10: dry when NCAA violations came up. 250 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 16: Like bias, Wade's legacy at Maryland is mixed. His NCUBA 251 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 16: violations will be remembered for helping set back the basketball 252 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 16: program for years. 253 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 7: Wade called the group of. 254 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 16: Men's basketball coaches in the conference an old boys network 255 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 16: and a Charlotte Observer report, He added that his time 256 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 16: in the a SEC was difficult. Even John Slaughter, who 257 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 16: hired Wade, ultimately questioned the wisdom of the move. In retrospect, 258 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 16: it might have been an impossible situation for Bob, he 259 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 16: told The Washington Post in January nineteenth ninety Bob followed 260 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 16: a coaching legend. He was black, he was appointed by 261 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 16: a black chancellor, he was from a high school. He's 262 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 16: hired one day before practice begins, and the players had 263 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 16: gone through hell after Leonard's death. Throwing Bob in the 264 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 16: middle of that was like throwing a piece of raw 265 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 16: meat to a pack of lions. You're going to get 266 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 16: chewed up if you don't do things perfectly. I don't 267 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 16: think Bob got the support he needed from many people. 268 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 16: There were people within the athletic department as well as 269 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 16: outside the department who did not want him to succeed. 270 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 16: Wade resigned on May twelfth, nineteen eighty nine. He received 271 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 16: a settlement that included one hundred and twenty thousand dollars. 272 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 7: In cash over two years. 273 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 16: Wade did not attend the press conference announcing his departure. 274 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 16: He instead lay in a hospital bed recovering from back surgery. 275 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 16: Wade expressed his frustrations from three years at Maryland in 276 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 16: a Boston Globe story in nineteen ninety six. Here's what 277 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 16: he said. If I had to do it again, I 278 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 16: would insist on bringing in my own people. I wanted 279 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 16: my own assistance but I was told by the administrations 280 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 16: they didn't have the money. I had to keep lefties, 281 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 16: guys Ron Bradley and Oliver Purnell. One minute they are 282 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 16: loyal to him, and the next day they have to 283 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 16: be loyal to me. It just doesn't work that way. 284 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 16: I never felt comfortable. I didn't trust them, he added. 285 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 16: The Lefty's office was close to mine. I'd tell guys 286 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 16: to do something one way, Lefty would tell them something else. 287 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 7: I heard. 288 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 16: He would ask the guys, what's he running? What's he running? 289 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 16: It was tough being there. After Lembias, Wade departed Maryland 290 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 16: with a thirty six and fifty record. In March nineteen ninety, 291 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 16: the NCAA imposed sanctions that would greatly impact Wade's successor, 292 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 16: Gary Williams. 293 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 8: At that time in nineteen eighty nine, you know, I 294 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 8: was young in coaching and I just thought we could win, 295 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 8: and you know, kind of like a blanket thing where 296 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 8: it didn't matter if unbiasedeid or whatever. 297 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 2: We were going to win. 298 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 16: Gary Williams came back to Maryland to coach it's men's 299 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 16: basketball team for only one reason. Although he had been 300 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 16: gone for some two decades, it still pulled at his heartstrings. 301 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 16: Here's an emotional Williams commenting at the press conference introducing 302 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 16: him as Maryland's coach. 303 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 7: It's great to be here. 304 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 14: It's great to see some old friends and I'm looking 305 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 14: forward to making some new friends. Also, certainly a big day. 306 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 14: And do you have any questions, I'd be glad to 307 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 14: try to answer. 308 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 7: I mean for you now. 309 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 14: But I never thought I'd had the opportunity to come 310 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 14: back and coach at Maryland because you very rarely get 311 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 14: the opportunity to do that as a coach. 312 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 16: It wasn't the easiest transition. 313 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 7: After the team went nineteen and. 314 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 16: Fourteen his first season, the terms were handed the toughest 315 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 16: NCAA sanctions since it suspended SMU's football team in nineteen 316 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 16: eighty seven for payments made to players. It had to 317 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 16: do with the rules that were broken under Wade and 318 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 16: the lack of institutional control by the school's athletic director, 319 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 16: lou Perkins. Perkins had hired Williams away from Ohio State 320 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 16: and told him that the program was only going to 321 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 16: get a slap on the wrist. 322 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 8: I left the University of Caryland as a basketball player 323 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 8: to go coach JV basketball in Campden, New Jersey. So 324 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 8: there was no way when I left Maryland that I'd 325 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 8: ever have any thought of going back to be the 326 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 8: head coach. And you know, things just went the way 327 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 8: they did, and all of a sudden, here I am 328 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 8: coming back, And probably when I got to Maryland and 329 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 8: found out more about the situation was it was probably 330 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 8: the toughest period of my coaching career. From say, eighty 331 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 8: nine to ninety. 332 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 16: Three, Maryland finished sixteen and twelve during William's second season. 333 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 16: They then had losing records the next two seasons as 334 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 16: the sanctions kicked in. They were the only losing seasons 335 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 16: under Williams. He knew he had to turn things around quickly. 336 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 8: You know, people have short memories and they wouldn't remember 337 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 8: the sanctions and things like that, and all of a sudden, 338 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 8: if we did not start to win, you know, maybe 339 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 8: looking somewhere else for a basketball coach. 340 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 16: Bonnie Bernstein is a nineteen ninety two Maryland graduate and 341 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 16: a former TERPS gymnast. She enjoyed a unique perspective of 342 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 16: Maryland's path to a national title. 343 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 12: Gary Williams was probably one of the few people in 344 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 12: the country who had the intestinal fortitude to endure the 345 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 12: dark days of basketball and to bring Maryland's program out 346 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 12: of that. And when I reflect back on that, particularly 347 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 12: because I had the chance to cover every single one 348 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 12: of the team's games and route to the two thousand 349 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 12: and two Championship as part of the CBS team doing 350 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 12: the broadcast, I mean, it's hard not to get emotional 351 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 12: about it. 352 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 16: The disjointed journey to college basketball utopia for Williams took 353 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 16: a detour in Columbos, Ohio, in nineteen eighty six, when 354 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 16: Len Bias died. Gary Williams was preparing for his first 355 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 16: season as coach of the Ohio State Buckeyes. Along with 356 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 16: the rest of the nation, Williams had watched the devastating 357 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 16: news of bias death. He had empathy for what was 358 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 16: happening at his alma mater. 359 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 8: I had a lot of friends in Maryland, and you 360 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 8: know that just the tragedy for the area, the way 361 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 8: that so many kids looked. 362 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: Up to Bias as their hero. 363 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 8: Heard a lot of things in the community, but on campus, 364 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 8: it also hurt the campus because the people that really 365 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 8: aren't into basketball that only you know, pick up on, 366 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 8: you know, spectacular things, they felt well that this is 367 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 8: what's wrong with college basketball in general and Maryland basketball particularly, 368 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 8: And you know, I thought it really hurt the basketball 369 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 8: program at that time. 370 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 16: The fallout from Wade's tenure was almost immediate for Williams. 371 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 8: The first year I was there, they were taking people 372 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 8: out of practice and interviewing them concerning what was going 373 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 8: on there at Maryland with the previous administration. 374 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 16: More intense pain for Williams than Maryland basketball came toward 375 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 16: the end of his first year as coach. Maryland finished 376 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 16: the regular season eighteen and twelve. Heading into the ACC 377 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 16: Tournament that included a late season road win at North Carolina, 378 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 16: Maryland had hope for an NC Double A bid, which 379 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 16: would have been a remarkable achievement at the time, but. 380 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 7: A few days before the start of the ACC. 381 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 16: Tournament, Maryland announced its NC Double A sanctions related to 382 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 16: the tenure of Bob Wade. 383 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 8: It was devastating, it really was. That's the only word 384 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 8: I could use. 385 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 7: The sanctions included no postseason play for two years, three 386 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 7: years probation, no television for a year, and a fine 387 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 7: of close to a half a million dollars. 388 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 8: You know, it made it very difficult to recruit and 389 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 8: you know, I think the faculty took that instead of 390 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 8: fighting it. They took it to me. Well we deserved 391 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 8: the penalty. Well, well we'll see where basketball is. After 392 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 8: the next couple of. 393 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 16: Years after receiving the news, Maryland lost its first round 394 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 16: game in the ACC Tournament to Duke. Maryland then endured 395 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 16: two losing seasons among its next three. During that time, 396 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 16: one player has been credited with keeping the program afloat. 397 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 7: Walt Williams grew up. 398 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 16: In Prince George's County, some ten miles from where Len 399 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 16: Bias grew up. Not surprisingly, he was a big Len 400 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 16: Bias fan. He chose to play for Maryland because Bias 401 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 16: played there. 402 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 15: I had the opportunity to see Linbias. 403 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 9: Man, I'm watching the game, and I saw this dude 404 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,959 Speaker 9: raise up and shoot that jump, and it was the 405 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 9: most beautiful thing I had ever seen. 406 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 15: I just found myself starting to, you know. 407 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 9: Watch Maryland games more, well, look for the highlights to 408 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 9: see Maryland, And all of a sudden, I wasn't watching 409 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 9: Georgetown anymore. 410 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 15: I was watching him. 411 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 9: Then Bias and we would go out in the back 412 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 9: of a Benjamin started middle school and play pickup games. 413 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 9: You know, you know how it is, before the game start, 414 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 9: you yell out somebody named who you're gonna pretend to 415 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 9: be that day. 416 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 15: And I always, I always would yell out Limb Bias man. 417 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 9: And when it came time for me to make a decision, 418 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 9: those type of things, I remembered those things. I remember 419 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 9: the impact that he had on not only me but 420 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 9: my community. And I wanted to have that same effect. 421 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 9: I wanted, you know, the kids around the way to 422 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 9: when they playing pickup games, I wanted them to pretend 423 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 9: like they were me, just like I did Limb Bias, 424 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 9: you know. And so I thought that the only way 425 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 9: I have to achieve that is the following his footsteps 426 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 9: and play at the University of Maryland. So Linn Bias 427 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 9: is a huge reason why I went to the University 428 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 9: of Maryland. 429 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 16: After the sanctions were announced following a sophomore year in 430 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 16: nineteen ninety, some thought he would transfer. 431 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 7: Here's Gary Williams. 432 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,719 Speaker 8: So what happens when you get sanctions against you by 433 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 8: the instrumway, At least back then, you were allowed to 434 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 8: transfer to any school you wanted to and play right away. 435 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 8: You know. He had come off a very good sophomore 436 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 8: year my first year there, so he could go anywhere 437 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 8: wanted you to play, and he can be in my office. 438 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,479 Speaker 8: One day, right after the seasons over, started talking and 439 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 8: he really believed, you know, that he could be a 440 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 8: great player, that he could be an NBA player, and 441 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 8: will put it on me. He said, well, well, how 442 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 8: are you going to make that happen if I stay? 443 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 8: And I said, We're going to get a chance to 444 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 8: play the point guard. You're going to handle the ball, 445 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,479 Speaker 8: You're going to be able to really look for trees. 446 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 8: And you know, nobody's been a better diplomat for the 447 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 8: school than what Williams has over the years since he 448 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 8: he's finished playing. 449 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 16: Williams finished his four years at Maryland and surpassed the 450 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 16: single season scoring record set by Bias. Perhaps more importantly, 451 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 16: he secured a legacy as one of the most revered 452 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,479 Speaker 16: players in Maryland basketball history. 453 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 15: Coach Williams talked about how. 454 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 9: He was surround that I would be a focal point 455 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 9: for the team and how he felt that he could 456 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 9: help me get be the best player that I could be. 457 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 9: He talked about possibly me playing at the next level. 458 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 9: I wanted to be a good player at home. I 459 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 9: wanted my family and friends to see me. I wanted 460 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 9: to show that I can't have the same impact as Lenbias. 461 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 9: I can't aspire to to be that level player. 462 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 16: And Dan Bonner believes that the Maryland program benefited from 463 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 16: the prolonged presence of Walt Williams. 464 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 22: I can tell you exactly when it changed, and that 465 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 22: is when Gary Williams and Walt Williams showed up. 466 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 23: There was a game that I did. Gary was the coach, 467 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 23: and I believe it was his first year as the coach. 468 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 23: It was like it had been before, and the fans 469 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 23: were going crazy. The band was going on, and I 470 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 23: turned to Mike Patrick. 471 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 22: He and I were doing the game together, and I said, 472 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 22: Maryland's back, And so that's the time it was. 473 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 23: They didn't get out from under until Gary Williams showed up. 474 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 16: Walt Williams was a seventh overall pick in the NBA 475 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 16: draft nineteen ninety two. He played eleven seasons in the league. 476 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 16: The following season, with Walt Williams gone, Gary Williams was 477 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 16: trying to forget about the previous two consecutive losing seasons. 478 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 16: JJ Bush returned as the head trainer for men's basketball 479 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 16: at the start of the nineteen ninety two ninety three season. 480 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 16: They soon developed a close relationship. 481 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 11: Gary and I would talk, you know, a lot, and 482 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 11: you know, he just some days he'd just come in 483 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 11: there shaking his head. He says, I don't know where 484 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 11: we're going to get this thing turned around. You know, 485 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 11: this is such a mess. And you know, I come 486 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 11: in here, I give up a good job at Ohio State, 487 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 11: and you know, we got everybody says everything will be fine, 488 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 11: and then we get slapped, I mean slapped over the 489 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 11: head with a sledgehammer, cut back our recruiting, couldn't have 490 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 11: any games on TV, and so on and so on 491 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 11: and so forth. So it really was tough on him. 492 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 8: People were really suspicious of the University of Maryland in 493 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 8: basketball programs. 494 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: First of all, you had to. 495 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 8: Get people to believe that we were going to do 496 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 8: it the right way. The problem was the school had 497 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 8: tightened it up, and all of a sudden, we had 498 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 8: two great players good turned down for missions that both 499 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,479 Speaker 8: went to college and graduated in four years. 500 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 15: It was very hard for. 501 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 8: Me not to really question, you know, what I was doing, 502 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 8: because it didn't look good. 503 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 15: For a long time. 504 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 16: ESPN analyst Jay Billis feels Maryland basketball improved gradually once 505 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 16: Williams ramped up his recruiting. 506 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: When Gary Williams came in, you had somebody who was 507 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 3: clear eyed and had a mission and understood the issue. 508 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: And and it was a wonderful, wonderful job that he 509 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 3: did of establishing Maryland as a national power in a 510 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 3: league full of entrenched power. 511 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 2: So he put the. 512 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 3: Program on a better footing than it had ever been 513 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: on before, and it had been on a pretty darn 514 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 3: good footing in the in the seventies and eighties. 515 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 16: Still the ghost of Bias lingered for years. Billis can 516 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 16: recall how overly sensitive the administration that Maryland was when 517 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 16: the Bias name was mentioned during a broadcast some fifteen 518 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 16: years after lenn had died. 519 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: Maryland was not fond of a person like me mentioning 520 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 3: Len Bias on the air. 521 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: And I actually had some. 522 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 3: Media relations people come to me and said, we'd really 523 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 3: appreciate it if you wouldn't wouldn't talk about Bias on 524 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 3: the air. They didn't want to, They didn't want to discussed. 525 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: It was still an open wound for the university in 526 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 3: the program, and it was even though it had been 527 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 3: so many years. It was still something they felt like 528 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 3: was dragged people's to an area they didn't want. 529 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: It to be in. 530 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 3: And I said no, I mean I mentioned it or 531 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 3: talked about bias or whatever where it was appropriate, and 532 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 3: so I'm not. I mean, you can certainly ask me 533 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 3: not to do it, but I'm doing I'm going to 534 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 3: say what I want to say. 535 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 2: And if you got a problem with that, you talk 536 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: to my bosses. That really pissed me off. 537 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 16: Bill says the request was coming from a good place 538 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 16: and that it showed why Bias didn't get inducted into 539 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 16: Maryland's Athletic Hall of Fame until twenty fourteen. 540 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 2: I think it went deeper than they were embarrassed about it. 541 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 3: I think it went more to, you know, the fact 542 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 3: that they wanted to separate from it. There were so 543 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 3: many people that were injured by it, and the trauma 544 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 3: kept going and it was like a again. There were 545 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 3: tentacles of it that grabbed everyone and took a lot 546 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 3: of people down as a result. 547 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: Is profoundly sad. 548 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 16: Maryland changed the course of its basketball history. 549 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 7: In its first. 550 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 16: Game of the nineteen ninety three to ninety four season. 551 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 16: It was an overtime win over fifteenth ranked Georgetown. 552 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 7: It comes. 553 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: Up fifteen coundown. 554 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 19: Yes, Oh, what a big win for Jerry Williams. 555 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 13: What a terrific win for him. 556 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: Big Turf for back. 557 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 16: Maryland finished the season fifth in the ACC and advanced 558 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 16: to the third round of the NC Double A Tournament. 559 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 16: It was their first tournament appearance since nineteen eighty eight. 560 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 16: Williams choked up at the podium talking to reporters. Shortly 561 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 16: after the game, it was announced that the Turfs were 562 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 16: returning to the NC DOUBLEA Tournament. 563 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 11: Yeah, I'll never forget. We went into the basketball lounge 564 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 11: on selection Sunday when we got selected to go to 565 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 11: the NCAA tournament. Once the selection committee called our name, 566 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 11: I left the room. I went back into the training room, 567 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 11: which you go through the locker room, and Gary was 568 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 11: standing out in the hall and he had tears in 569 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 11: his eyes because it's like, oh my gosh, thank god, 570 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 11: we finally got through all this mess and we're back 571 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 11: where I wanted to be in the first place. And 572 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 11: it was like a huge weight off his shoulders and 573 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 11: the rest is pretty much history. 574 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 16: Maryland was back on the national basketball map, helped in 575 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 16: large part by Joe Smith and Keith Booth. Smith played 576 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 16: for just two years from Maryland. He was the first 577 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 16: team All American in nineteen ninety five and was the 578 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 16: NBA's top pick that year. Smith played fifteen seasons in 579 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 16: the NBA. 580 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 7: Here's Gary Williams. 581 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 8: We went to the Sweet sixteen adding Joe Smith and 582 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 8: Keith Booth. So we started two freshmen three sophomores, and 583 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 8: that group was the group that got us going where 584 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 8: we could be competitive at national level. 585 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,479 Speaker 16: Keith Booth grew up in Baltimore a big Len Bias fan. 586 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 16: When he was ten years old, he met Bias during 587 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 16: a promotion at a sandwich shop in the city. When 588 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 16: he met Bias, he told him that he would play 589 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 16: hard and one day be a terrapiin just like his idol. 590 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 16: Booth used the death of Bias as a reminder to 591 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 16: stay focused on basketball and his grades and to avoid 592 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 16: drug abuse. 593 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 20: Keith Booth told me, once I understood how it happened 594 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 20: that he died, it made me never want to touch 595 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 20: a drug ever where he is my body. 596 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 2: It affected my life to. 597 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 20: Help me become the person and man I am today. 598 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 16: But like Bias, became an All American and like Bias, 599 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 16: his jersey hangs in the rafters at Infinity Center, Maryland's 600 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 16: home arena. Booth won an NBA Championship with the Chicago 601 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 16: Bulls in nineteen ninety eight. His memories of Bias playing 602 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 16: with relentless passion and ferocity helped shape his career at Maryland. 603 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 20: Booth told me it reinforced the impact his death has 604 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 20: had on me and the player I'll remember I fell 605 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 20: in love with growing up. 606 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 16: From nineteen ninety four to two thousand, Maryland advanced to 607 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 16: the Sweet sixteen four times. During that time, the Terps 608 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 16: never missed the NCAA tournament. In two thousand and one, 609 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 16: Maryland advanced to its first Final four, losing to Duke 610 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 16: in a semi final, on the way to its first 611 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 16: national title. In two thousand and two, Maryland lost just 612 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 16: one conference game. They finished the season thirty two and four. 613 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 12: Where Gary started and how difficult it was for him 614 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 12: to ultimately get that team to the promised Land. 615 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 16: That's Bonnie Bernstein, the former Maryland gymnasts who competed through 616 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 16: the lean years of Maryland athletics in the late nineteen 617 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 16: eighties and early nineteen nineties as a reporter for CBS Sports. 618 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 16: She covered Maryland's run to the national title for the 619 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 16: network that included a halftime interview during the National championship game. 620 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 12: I remember watching that postgame interview that Jim Manson Billy 621 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 12: Packer were doing with Gary holding his grandson in his arm. 622 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 13: Thank you, Greg, And I think Gary would agree. There 623 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 13: are moments that define your life, and this has got 624 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 13: to be it for you. 625 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 7: You're surrounded by your team, You've. 626 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 13: Got your grandson on your hands and your daughter at 627 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 13: your side, and you've taken your alma mater to the 628 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 13: national championship. 629 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 7: How did you guys do it? It's a great thrill. We 630 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 7: had to really grind it because I. 631 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 12: Was standing right there and I just remember looking up 632 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 12: at the ceilings and trying to hold back the tears 633 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 12: because I was there during those dark days. I know 634 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 12: what it was like for Gary to raise that team 635 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 12: from the ashes and get to how many Sweet sixteens 636 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 12: only two not advance, and to get to the Semis 637 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 12: the year before, and for Duke to take us down 638 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 12: again and to see him there as a champion, and 639 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 12: then watching the kids get up on the podium and 640 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 12: watch one shining moment and dang, it was so hard 641 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 12: not to cry. How Gary Williams came in the door 642 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 12: just a few years after Lenbias's tragedy death to try 643 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,439 Speaker 12: to pick the team up out of the hell hole 644 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 12: that Bobwei created and to take us to a national championship. 645 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 12: It was just like such an incredible crowning achievement. 646 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 16: Williams stayed on as Maryland's head coach through the twenty 647 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 16: eleven season. It was a twenty two year coaching career 648 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,240 Speaker 16: with Maryland Basketball, a vision he had when he accepted 649 00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,959 Speaker 16: the job in nineteen eighty. 650 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 14: This to me is a career decision. In other words, 651 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 14: I don't anticipate having to go anywhere else to be 652 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 14: a coach, and I think it's about time I established 653 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 14: some roots, and this is certainly a great opportunity to 654 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 14: do it. 655 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 16: That was Williams at the press conference that introduced him. 656 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 16: Williams was inducted into the NA Memorial Basketball Hall of 657 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 16: Fame in twenty fourteen. It's the highest honor a coach 658 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 16: can achieve. Williams is now Senior Managing Director for Alumni 659 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 16: Relations in Athletic Development. 660 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 7: Over the last. 661 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 16: Decade, he has seen the university more willingly accept the 662 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 16: complex legacy of bias. The acceptance included Len's induction into 663 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 16: the Maryland Athletics Hall of Fame in twenty fourteen. 664 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 8: But I think for most Maryland people, they hope that 665 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 8: to kind of put things to rest. You know, that 666 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 8: was part of our legacy, you know what happened with 667 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 8: Len bias. But we can't keep living in a tragedy. 668 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 8: We we we have to move on. 669 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: He was going to make it as the number two 670 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,720 Speaker 1: big up next on Lund by some mixed legacy. 671 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 2: A dark lad. 672 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 24: Maryland is one of the most huzzling situations I've ever seen. 673 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,760 Speaker 24: One thing that really at Maryland to this day because 674 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 24: there's no institutional memory and one of the and without 675 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 24: institutional memory you can't understand and what got you there 676 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 24: and what you need to focus on that to keep 677 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 24: you to at the top. 678 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 2: Just unbelievable. 679 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 25: I mean, how it affected, it changed the entire university 680 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 25: for Megas and the just the attitude around the athletic 681 00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 25: department was, Uh, it's just not the same they get. 682 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 26: As I think back then it was how could this 683 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 26: have happened? But now it's like we can all see 684 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 26: how this could happen. This could have happened to any 685 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 26: of us. 686 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 7: What happened tragic. 687 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 2: Let's make sure it never happens again. 688 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: This podcast series is based on the book Born Ready 689 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: The Mixed Legacy of Lemby's, published by Go Grady Media. 690 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: The series is produced by Go Grady Media in partnership 691 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: with Octagon Entertainment. This segment was produced by daveon Grady 692 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: and Don Marcus. It was written by Daveon Grady and 693 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: edited by Don Marcus. 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