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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Katie Kuric, and welcome to next question today.

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Speaker 1: I have such a treat for you, a man you

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Speaker 1: are certainly familiar with. He can make you laugh, he

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Speaker 1: can make you swoon, Julia, you are the butter to

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Speaker 1: my bread and the breath to my life. I love you,

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Speaker 1: Darling Grew. And he can also make a mean NECRONI

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Speaker 1: you can do it on the rocks. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: nice to have it up. It's Stanley Tucci, Everyone's favorite

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Speaker 1: pandemic sauceman. Enjoy. Are we doing the thing right now?

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Speaker 1: Or are we? Yeah? Yeah, we're doing it right now.

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Speaker 1: This isn't yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm so happy to

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Speaker 1: see you, and I know that you too. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate that you've, Stanley, been able to cram me into

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Speaker 1: your very very busy but because what can I say,

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Speaker 1: there's been a Tucci sons. Yeah, Am I right? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I think so? Yes, which yeah is wonderful and embarrassing. Yes, well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's just plain wonderful and I'm not embarrassed

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Speaker 1: at all. But I want to ask you about all

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Speaker 1: the different things you've been doing, Stanley, because you have

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Speaker 1: been so busy, you have your CNN series about Italy,

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Speaker 1: you have an upcoming book, you have a movie you

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Speaker 1: just did with my my, my sauceman, Colin Firth. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're you're also my sauceman's family. But I have had

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Speaker 1: I have had a thing for Colin Firth, uh for

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Speaker 1: for decades now. Well it's it's hard not to. We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about Colin and your wonderful movie with him,

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Speaker 1: and also about how you're delighting all your Instagram followers

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Speaker 1: and Felicity and how that all got started. But I

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Speaker 1: thought we should start by talking about your extraordinary series

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Speaker 1: on CNN, which I have to be honest, makes me

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Speaker 1: very very hungry. And since I've sworn off carbs, damn you,

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Speaker 1: Stanley Tucci. Is it like a brioche? Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 1: even healthy as compared to this, This is b spride.

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Speaker 1: It's a sort of doughnuts with a cream. I can't

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Speaker 1: imagine a better assignment for you, Stanley, because your Italian

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Speaker 1: on both sides, you're a foodie, uh from way back,

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Speaker 1: this just exploring these regions and and what did you

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Speaker 1: because we wanted to incorporate always um, not just that

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Speaker 1: food of Italy is bustin pizza in panamajana, which is

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Speaker 1: not an actual Italian. Yes, I saw, I saw some

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Speaker 1: to say, I think I would say check please, I'm

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Speaker 1: not an adventurous eater Stanley. Oh no, but Katie, then

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Speaker 1: we'll go out to dinner and you will be fine.

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Speaker 1: I promise, I promise you needn't be afraid. But the

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Speaker 1: the I wanted to dispel that myth that you know,

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Speaker 1: that's true in certain parts of Italy, but not all

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Speaker 1: And the Italian still promote this and believe it and

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Speaker 1: Because the movie that I made with Colin will will

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Speaker 1: you going to be searching next, Stanley, Well, we're going

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Speaker 1: So thank you. No, no, because you're you're so fun

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Speaker 1: he stay so damn fit. That's right after this. How

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Speaker 1: do you stay so skinny? Stanley? I exercise obsessively, um,

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Speaker 1: is love and it doesn't matter who it is that

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Speaker 1: you love. And I think that's the beauty of that

425
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: story of this film, is that love is love and

426
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: loss is loss. We're going through that, I think the

427
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: growing pains of a shifting society. And you know, we

428
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: could talk about this a lot, but maybe over one

429
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: of your negronis one day. But you know, this whole

430
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: idea of you know, opening the doors to people who

431
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: were not represented before and yet I I totally understand this,

432
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Speaker 1: But the idea of having to have an actor who's

433
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: portraying a certain role come from that role. UM, I

434
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: think that's a slippery slope too, because are we all

435
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: aren't we all occupying me like I'm an actor, but

436
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: aren't all actors occupying a a an you know, an

437
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: alternate personage, and you know the idea that you have

438
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: to be that person to occupy that space. Um, I

439
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: don't know. I I find that I find that challenge,

440
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: you know, challenging to wrap my head around. And I

441
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: don't I don't believe in that. I just read this

442
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: interview with Rupert Everett, uh and he said, no, I

443
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: don't believe the gay actors should only play that that.

444
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: No one who isn't gay should not be able to

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Speaker 1: play a gay role, and no one who is gay

446
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to play a straight role, exactly. And

447
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: that's the problem. That's the genesis of it. The genesis is,

448
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: as I said, before gay actors, gay people were not

449
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: allowed to simply be who they were in society. So

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00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: if you can't be that, then you're hiding all the time.

451
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: And then gay men are playing straight men and only

452
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: straight men, and then so everyone so everyone is straight

453
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: right in society. But you know, but by the old

454
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: sort of standards, and you're like, no, it doesn't make

455
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: any sense. It makes no sense. So well, once once

456
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: there's an opening, than anybody it sounds so silly, But

457
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: anyone then will be accepted playing anyone. You don't mean yes,

458
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: making sense or yes you are you are I think.

459
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is no, no, I no,

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00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. It's it's how we view people

461
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: as a society that that prevents or gives permission to

462
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: people to play a whole host of roles. Because I

463
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: think that's what happened to uh Rupert Everett, right. I mean,

464
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: he was typecast and right, and I think that the roles,

465
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: the roles right up for him because he was only

466
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: viewed as a certain way, which was justly unfair. I

467
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: don't know, but to me, Ruferts have wonderful actor. That's

468
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: that's all I know. I don't I don't know anything

469
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: different than that. I don't care if if a person whatever,

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00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: they're sexual, I don't really care. Well, I think the

471
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: more race are just changing so much, and that people,

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00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: you know, I think, I think things have changed so dramatically,

473
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: and I'm writing a memoir and right now, and I

474
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: just even look back on the nineties when I was

475
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: covering stories or you know, some of the questions I asked,

476
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: whether it was about sexual harassment with Anita Hill, or

477
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: how I interviewed Matthew Shepard's parents, or how we covered

478
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: Rodney King. You know, it was just in so many ways,

479
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: Stanley clueless. And I think that we have evolved so much.

480
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes to the point where you know, it

481
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: comes crashing down on top of you if you if

482
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: you haven't evolved enough. But it's just it's really fascinating

483
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: to me just how much in the last gosh two

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00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: decades or so our attitudes have shifted for the better.

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00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: And and I think that's that's what you're saying. No,

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00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: I think you're right, and I think particularly in the

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00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: particularly in the last like almost like three years. Yeah,

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00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: it's frail, but that's also because of the technology. It's technology,

489
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 1: but also, you know too pretty dramatic social movements social

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00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, whether you're talking about Black Black Lives Matter,

491
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: Me Too, and Time's Up. Um, you know, I think

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00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: that the confluence of those two movements have really put

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00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: the issues front and center as they've never been before

494
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: for the better. I think. You know, obviously the pencil

495
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: incolns in certain cases wing too far. And you know,

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00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: I think, no, no social justice movement is perfect, but

497
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 1: I think it's uh, you know, I think that that

498
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: has has really moved the ball forward in such a

499
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: palpable significant way. And so I guess that's what. Yeah. No,

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00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that you have as you said,

501
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna ask you a question if I may.

502
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: That you have seen it, you know, as a as

503
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: a reporter for so many years, and it has distinctly

504
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: changed for you. Do you how do you feel now

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00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: about when you're when you're talking to people? How do

506
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: you is it Is it easier for you now or

507
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: is it harder for you now? Because there are so

508
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: many caveats in a way, right, I think the umbre

509
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: this is your thing, so you can just no, no, no, yeah,

510
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean I think they're listen. I think that, you know,

511
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: cultural conditioning, deep seated attitudes that are formed and um,

512
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: you know, compounded over years and years of visual stimuli,

513
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, com sations, mass media, um, you know, familial

514
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: uh kind of I think outlooks, uh you know, they

515
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: form us as a person. And I think what what's

516
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: really hard is to you know, be vulnerable enough two

517
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: to kind of challenge your own your own biases which

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00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: have developed over the years. I think that you know,

519
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: it can be tricky because I think the current landscape,

520
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, people want to jump on people right away,

521
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: right this instantaneous judgment, and there's very little forgiveness in

522
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: the culture. There's very little forgiveness for mistakes. And I've

523
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: made I've made my fair share of mistakes, certainly, and

524
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: when you're when you're a public figure, it's it can be.

525
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: It can be very tough and very pain well honestly

526
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: when when you but but I you know, I would

527
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: hope that people can recognize fair minded individuals who want

528
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: to learn and want to be better. But it doesn't

529
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: happen overnight, necessarily after you know, sixty years of of conditioning.

530
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: So I try to be mindful. Um, I try not

531
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: to say stupid things. But I also you know, I

532
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: I like I like compassionate teachers, you know. I think

533
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: that that um you know, and and by the way,

534
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, this is me coming from me as a

535
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: sixty four year old who has had certain life experiences

536
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: and privileges, and I get that, um, But but you know,

537
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: it can it can be tricky. And I pride myself

538
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: on being a lifelong learner and being open to understanding

539
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: and I think, Um, you know, I really appreciate the

540
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: opportunity and more than that, I appre shape that changes

541
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: I'm witnessing and um, but but I think for for

542
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: some people it does take adjusting and and once in

543
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: a while, UM, I think a little bit of slack

544
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: can be a good thing. You know, I agree, But

545
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: I have my twenty five year old, extremely woke daughter

546
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: there to keep me in line every step of the way.

547
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: How about you do your do your kids your older kids,

548
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: not your little ones. Um, do you feel like they're

549
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: they're educating you on some of these things? Yes, always, always,

550
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: they educate you on who who you are. It's it's

551
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: always changing. It's always different, um. I think, particularly in

552
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: the pandemic, because there's no consistency. Who knows, you know,

553
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: when somebody's living or there, when they're going to go

554
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: back to school, when they can come back home and say,

555
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: and you know, one of my daughters went and stayed

556
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: with her boyfriend for like almost six weeks, and rightly so,

557
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: I mean she's twenty one years old, and you know,

558
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: and then but he was staying with us for a

559
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: while before that, and so I don't know that it's

560
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: It's the whole thing is everything is heightened and exacerbated.

561
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: Any issues, good or bad, are exacerbated by this pandemic.

562
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: But do they teach you about kind of you know,

563
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: I feel like young people are are so aware and

564
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: so so much better than we we are in some ways,

565
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: and and and when it comes to kind of societal

566
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: issues and change and and you know, these thorny matters

567
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: of race and gender and class, do you feel like

568
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, I I first heard the word intersectionality from

569
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: my daughter, and uh, what's the word intersectionality. It's about

570
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: the intersection of race and gender. And you know, um,

571
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: she's so she's so smart. But that's what I meant.

572
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: Do they kind of open your eyes and challenge perhaps

573
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: some of the way ways you've thought about things. To say, Dad,

574
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: have you ever considered this without without question, without question?

575
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: I think the only thing that I fear, and this

576
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: is inevitable when things sort of start to till in

577
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: another direction in extreme too far. Yeah, Uh, is a

578
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: a lack of irony. And I think that irony is

579
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: absolutely crucial to our existence. It it is the the

580
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: sort of genesis or the basis of all humor of

581
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: good humor, right right, Um, So I fear the loss

582
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: of irony. Um when somebody can't make somebody makes a

583
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: joke and you're like, oh you're a racist, or oh

584
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: you're a sexist, or oh you're a blah blah blah,

585
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: and you're like no, actually, no, no, no, it was

586
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: just you know, there was something sort of not even

587
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: a joke, just you know something. So I I fear

588
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: the loss of irony. But I do think that eventually

589
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: things come around, and this is a natural progression. I

590
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: think earnestness and irony are probably they're They're not the

591
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: best cocktail, right, No, they're not the best cocktail, but

592
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: they can. It's like a poost cafe. You don't in

593
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: poosh cafe, I don't, okay, so a poosh cafe. If

594
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: I look at that, that actually that print behind you

595
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: or painting behind you. So it's layers. So what you

596
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: do with the posh cafe is you take the heaviest

597
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: liquor and you put you know, a drop in, you know,

598
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: a shot. Then you take another liquor and you put

599
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: it in and they lay on top of one and

600
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: that it's a very complicated drink. You can be made

601
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: with like seven, fourteen or twenty one likes something insane.

602
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: No one would ever. I mean it's disgusting, but visually

603
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: it's quite beautiful. Uh, And so you layer it and

604
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: that's the way those two things sort of have to

605
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: sit like that. But at the same time, you have

606
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: we have to let them come together. We have to

607
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: let earnestness and irony come together. And we go through

608
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: periods of time where that happens, and then it changes again.

609
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: I think it, you know, yeah, it changes. Well that's

610
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: a good site there again. Yeah, we just need a

611
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: good a good shaker like the ones you use, like

612
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: the ones you use for your cocktails on Instagram. Wasn't

613
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: that as seamless transition? Come on, who are you talking to,

614
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: Stanley Tucci? Of course the hot mixologists. We'll get behind

615
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: those cocktails right after this. I've gotten such a kick

616
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: out of you. First of all, hilariously you're the sauceman,

617
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: as you know, Stanley and uh, but also as the

618
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: as the the hot mixologist on Instagram. So how did

619
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: that all start? Obviously your wife Felicity, who I'm so

620
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: happy that you met Felicity, and and you know, you

621
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: talked about love is love and lost his lost You

622
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: lost your wife. I lost my husband. So that's why

623
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: I feel like we actually can talk about that because

624
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: we have that in common. But um, I guess, uh,

625
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: you and Felicity, first of all, can I ask you

626
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: real quickly about your meeting because you were at Emily,

627
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: Emily Blunt and John Chris. I always say his name

628
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: r Krasinski, right, Prosinsk Krasinski's wedding. I love him, by

629
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: the way, I just don't say his name very often. Um.

630
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: And that's when you met Felicity, emily sister, and she

631
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: had you at hello, right, No, not really, um, she no,

632
00:46:53,239 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: she We actually had met at the devil Wares product premier. Uh.

633
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: And I talked to her for a while, but she

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Speaker 1: ended up really talking to Kate, my late wife, a

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Speaker 1: lot about books because you know, they're voracious readers. And um,

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Speaker 1: I actually have a photograph of them together. That's so

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Speaker 1: that's so moving actually that Felicity's mom took um. But yes,

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Speaker 1: then I went to EM's wedding and this was uh,

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Speaker 1: oh gosh, maybe a year yeah, a year after Kate

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Speaker 1: had passed away, and yeah, you know, we met and

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Speaker 1: re met and we hit it off and then we

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Speaker 1: I was coming to England to do uh Captain America

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Speaker 1: and and yeah and sorry that just made me laugh. No,

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Speaker 1: I know, it's weird. I know. I played the the

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Speaker 1: the elderly Jewish scientists who created Captain America, which was actually,

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Speaker 1: have to say, one of the best jobs I've ever

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Speaker 1: had in my life. Uh um. And and then we started,

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Speaker 1: you know, going out to dinner and we started dating

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Speaker 1: and then yeah that was that. One thing led to

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Speaker 1: another and you all had two children and uh and

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Speaker 1: and and this wonderful new life together. So I'm just

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Speaker 1: I'm just very happy for you both. And I feel

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Speaker 1: like I feel like Felicity was sort of behind the

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Speaker 1: Instagram cocktail making that you totally I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I have no savvy when it comes to this stuff.

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00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: So she said, um, why don't you do a cocktail

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00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: the beginning of Lockdown? First Lockdown, she said, to a

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Speaker 1: cocktail for Curtis Brown, our agency where she works and

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Speaker 1: I'm represented by. And I said, yeah, it would just

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Speaker 1: be an in house thing, and you know you're doing

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00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,959
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, great, and then we did it and

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00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: sent it to everyone and they were so happy, and

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Speaker 1: she said, put it on your Instagram. So we did

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Speaker 1: that and meaning I don't actually know how to do it,

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Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 1: then um, uh it that happened. It blew up, as

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00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: the kids say, Stanley, it blew up. Yeah, we crashed it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you don't say you say we crushed it

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Speaker 1: or we crashed it. That's the word. Sorry Jesus. Um.

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Speaker 1: Before we go, I want to give a quick shout

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Speaker 1: out to your upcoming upcoming book. So what is this

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Speaker 1: one about and when does it come out? Well, it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a it's a memoir of sorts. It's called

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Speaker 1: Taste My Life Through Food And it's exactly that up

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00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: to now because I don't know, give me a better

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Speaker 1: elevator pitch than that. And it's just about like, you know,

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Speaker 1: growing up and eating great things and then you know,

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Speaker 1: you know a little bit about Julia and Julia some

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00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: of some little anecdotes there and things like that, and

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it delves into the particulars of of

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Speaker 1: pasta and bologna, uh and experiences with that. Um. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just I don't know, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I've never done anything

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Speaker 1: like it. I'm going through the you know, copy of

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00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: its now, which I'm doing that right now. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: have I have a memoir that is actually due yesterday, Stanley,

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Speaker 1: and I've been going through, yeah, and I've been working

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00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: on it for about two and a half years, and

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00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm going through everything now, and I don't know, I'm

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00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm sort of panicked right now that that Gosh, it

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00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: makes you feel very vulnerable. You're putting something out in

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00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: the world. It's extremely personal, it's ridiculously honest. It's um,

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Speaker 1: you know about Honestly, it's it's the only memory I'll

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00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: ever write. It's about my life and how I got

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Speaker 1: into this crazy business and sort of the tragedies and

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00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: the triumphs of course, and you went through a real loss,

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Speaker 1: but you know, and also I've had some professional disappointments.

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Speaker 1: I've dealt with some you know, real dicks in the business,

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Speaker 1: and um, and so I am like putting this out

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Speaker 1: there and and all of a sudden, I'm seized by

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Speaker 1: terror that that I'm doing this, and I kind of

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Speaker 1: just want to put the whole thing in a fire.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel that, ever, or is this just me

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Speaker 1: as I'm going through it today. I thought, what am

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Speaker 1: I doing? Who cares? You know? And also it's like,

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Speaker 1: why would you want to? But I want to tell

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Speaker 1: the story, you know what I mean. I want to

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Speaker 1: sell the story of food and I'm fascinated by it.

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Speaker 1: But to tell the story of food, I have to

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Speaker 1: tell the story about myself, right, And that's hard and scary,

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00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: really scary. Really. Yeah, Well, I'm glad you're feeling the

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Speaker 1: same way. That makes me feel a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: Going totally, I was totally like not sleeping, worried and

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Speaker 1: self full, just just full of self down down, and

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00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, bordering on loathing. Yes, of course, yes, yes, yeah. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Well listen, I feel like this has been a really

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Speaker 1: helpful therapy session for me. I'll do anything I can

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Speaker 1: to help you. Thank you, thank you, and uh I

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Speaker 1: want you to I want you to be able to

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Speaker 1: be with your children. But I really love talking to you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for doing our little podcast daily. Well, thank you,

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Speaker 1: and I really appreciate it. I'm glad I worked out.

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Speaker 1: I just think you're wonderful. Thanks Stanley. I love Stanley Tucci.

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Speaker 1: If you're also on the Tucci train, you've got to

725
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: check out this SNL short Tucci Gang with Pete Davidson

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00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: singing and Sam Rockwell giving us some good Tucci energy.

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Speaker 1: It is a riot. Some of you don't know the

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Speaker 1: name who, but that's that guy from the Home Games.

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Speaker 1: Heart Media and Katie Curic Media. The executive producers Army,

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Speaker 1: Katie Curic, and Courtney Litz. The supervising producer is Lauren Hansen.

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