1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Welcome 2 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: back to Work in Progress friends. This week we have 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: a guest that I admire so much, who I also 4 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: have some major blast from the past overlap energy with 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: and a future upcoming project with two. Today we are 6 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: joined by Carson Daily. You know him as a defining 7 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: voice in American media for more than three decades now. 8 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: Where I first encountered him was on MTV's Total Request Live. 9 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: I will never forget what it felt like to go 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: with One Tree Hill to TRL for the first time 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: and look through those windows in Times Square and be like, 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: are all these people here to see us? What? He 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: went on to be the late night host of Last 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: Call with Carson Daily, and today he is the longtime 15 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: host and producer of the Emmy winning hit series The Voice. 16 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: But beyond all of his incredible media success, Carson is compassionate. 17 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: He has such an easy rapport with artists and guests 18 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: and people he meets out in the street. Because he 19 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: is such an open human being and a kind man, 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: He's chosen to offer his platform to really bold and 21 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: honest conversations about mental health. First, sharing his experience with 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: generalized anxiety disorder and severe panic attacks, and emerging as 23 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: a leading advocate for destigmatizing mental illness, which, by the way, 24 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: we should call mental healthcare mental fitness. Perhaps that commitment 25 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,919 Speaker 1: of his is reflected in his work with Project Healthy Minds, 26 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: where he serves on the board of directors and he 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: hosts the nonprofits annual World Mental Health Day gala, which 28 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: is a landmark event that blends storytelling, performance and philanthropy 29 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: to access care. And this year, I will be joining 30 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: Carson and other advocate that he has gathered for World 31 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: Mental Health Day twenty twenty five, and I can't wait. 32 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: Beyond his incredibly impressive public and philanthropic career, he and 33 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: his wife are raising four children, and he grounds himself 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: in major dadhood and make sure that he talks to 35 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: his kids about their mental fitness and healthcare too. I 36 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: can't wait to dive in with Carson day. 37 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: Hey, how are you good? How are you? 38 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm good. It's so nice to see you. I 39 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: just love that we get to do this today, you know, 40 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: ahead of your big event, and also the fact that 41 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: we're talking about the future and we share such a 42 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: particular blast from the past young career history together, Like 43 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: for me coming out of college a year early and 44 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: starting work on One Tree Hill. I don't think it 45 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: hit me that the show was this kind of major 46 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: deal until we came to t RL. Yeah, and I 47 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: remember looking through the windows and being like, are all 48 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: these people here for us? 49 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? 50 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was so surreal. So you, you and 51 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: the and the whole early part of your career also 52 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: have such a special place in my heart for my own. 53 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: Oh that's that's so special to hear, thank you, and 54 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: it's and it's mutual, you know, watching you know, Hillary 55 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: and you know, and just you know, even just the 56 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: success of those shows at that time, I don't know, 57 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: there there was an immediate sort of linkage to the 58 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: audiences between what we were doing at MTV and then 59 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: what was happening on the networks in the same demographics 60 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: and to see the same you know, we were all 61 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: sort of playing to a similar audience, and we felt 62 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: very like all the boats rise in the harbor, and 63 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: so that that was a special time for everybody, I think, you. 64 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, it was really cool. Well, it's interesting 65 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: to think about the past because I don't share that 66 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: kind of history with everyone who comes on the show. 67 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: But I do like to ask people about their young life. 68 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: And I'm especially curious about this for you because of 69 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: the work you're doing in the mental health space and 70 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: because of the leadership that you've you know, you've chosen 71 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: to kind of take on for audiences. I think it's like, 72 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: it's just such a cool thing for a human to 73 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: do when you've got so much on your plate already. 74 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: But I always wonder if folks I sit across from, 75 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: like yourself, you know, who are doing amazing things in 76 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: the world, if they got to go back and hang 77 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: out with their young selves, you know, like if you 78 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: got to walk on to whatever playground you frequented when 79 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: you were nine or ten years old and hang out 80 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: with kid Carson, do you feel like you would see 81 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: things in that child that really show you a through 82 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: line to them man you are today, you know, I 83 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: do know. 84 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: It's a great question, and it's and it's recently I've 85 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: been doing a lot more reflecting, even going back to 86 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 3: my childhood, which of course is a very strong therapeutic 87 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: thing to do. 88 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, my quick. 89 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: Answer when I think of myself, if I could, you know, 90 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 3: go into that playground at nine is I know now. 91 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: How I was feeling then, you know, I lost my 92 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 2: dad when I was six. 93 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 3: And was too young, I think, for it to resonate, 94 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: and my mom quickly, pretty quickly remarried my stepdad. So 95 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: I had another man in my life by the time 96 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: I was ten, who ended up being just this incredible influence. 97 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: I always say that God blessed me with two wonderful fathers. 98 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 3: But as I have discovered my own sort of mental 99 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 3: health history later in life, like Monday morning quarterback, looking 100 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: back on everything, I realized that a lot of the 101 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 3: sort of looking for, like where did this like nervous, 102 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: this anxiety that I have. Now I've been diagnosed with 103 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 3: generalized anxiety disorder and panic disorder. Yeah, and I and 104 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 3: I and I find myself trying to trace it, like, well, 105 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: where is it? 106 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: Because I lost my dad? Is it? Is it nature? 107 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: Is it nurture? And of course we know now it's 108 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,679 Speaker 2: kind of a combination of all those things. 109 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: And so I've discovered a lot about my childhood only 110 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: sort of recently, which is interesting. 111 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: But I was always a really nervous kid. 112 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 3: And to answer the question, I would go to that 113 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 3: kid on the playground and give him a big hug 114 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: and tell them it's gonna be okay. 115 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 2: You're gonna be okay. 116 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: You're gonna you're gonna develop an incredibly beautiful sense. 117 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: Of faith with God. 118 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: You're gonna you're gonna have a beautiful family one day. 119 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 3: You're gonna experience lots of love. You're gonna go through heartache, 120 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: but you're gonna have you know, the assets and tools 121 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 3: to eventually get on the other side of it. 122 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 2: It's gonna be okay. 123 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: Because I found myself when I was young really kind 124 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 3: of asking that question, like and even through my young 125 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: even through like my time at MTV, there was so 126 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: much anxiety that I didn't hadn't dealt with yet that 127 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I think I was 128 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 3: asking my am I going. 129 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: To be okay? I'm not sure I am, because I 130 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: don't know what's going on up here. 131 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, that's really powerful. You know, the healing that 132 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: comes with learning and understanding how to your point, this 133 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: sort of combo platter shapes you as a person. I 134 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: think there's such a relief when you start to understand 135 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: why you feel a certain way or what your diagnosis is. 136 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: It's really amazing. You know so many of the things 137 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: you said I want to dive into. But I'm so 138 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: touched by the way you just talked about your dad 139 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: and your stepdad, because a kid losing his father at 140 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: five is such a profound tragedy, and with the way 141 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: I hear you talking is an acknowledgment of that, but 142 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: also so much gratitude for what came after. 143 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. 144 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: Do you find that with that loss and other things 145 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: in your life that the attitude practice figuring out what 146 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: the silver lining is even of the worst outcome, enables 147 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: you to to kind of metabolize those things in a 148 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: different way. 149 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 150 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: And I think it's really about for me, it's about 151 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: having perspective. And it could be on something that's you know, sad, 152 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: like losing something very gnarly like looking a parent and 153 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 3: the impact that that has on a young child, or 154 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: it could be something almost menial in your day. 155 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: And a lot of my stuff is sort of faith 156 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: based in a. 157 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: Weird way, because I just feel like it's important to 158 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: zoom out, and so I'm always like this, well, things 159 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: could be worse. I mean what, I'm not the only 160 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: one that lost a parent, you know, I'm not the 161 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: only one that lost this job. 162 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: I'm not the only one. People. 163 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: There's so much suffering going on in the world. I 164 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: mean people's dispositions as are fellow humans. There's so much 165 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: pain and strife out there that sure I can metabolize 166 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: this given the compare and contrast, but I think it's 167 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 3: important for me to do that because especially in like 168 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: our business, where there's you know, not a lot of 169 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: outside self analyzation happening. I've always benefited from just being like, wow, man, 170 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 3: I'm so lucky. 171 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: Like but I had success late in life too. You know, 172 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: I was broken my twenties. 173 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: I Valley parked, I had multiple jobs, you know, I 174 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: didn't have money for my parents. I was like a 175 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: rock and roll alternative DJ, living in all over California. 176 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: And then I got to MTV and like, so. 177 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 3: I kind of had this this cavalier, care free attitude 178 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 3: where was like, I don't know, this is all this 179 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: is just all gravy to me. 180 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 2: You know. I've I've been. 181 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: I've been twenty three and you know, lived on seventeen 182 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year and found happiness with friends and 183 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 3: family and life. So as my life has gone on 184 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: and I've been really lucky to. 185 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: Do a lot of cool stuff. 186 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 3: I've tried to not lose sight of what's really important 187 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 3: in life, and I do think going back to that, 188 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: dealing with anything tragedy or otherwise, it really helps to 189 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: just keep in mind the reality of what so many 190 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 3: people are going through, not just here in this country, but. 191 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: Sort of all the world. 192 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: And it's pretty easy to find gratitude if you can, 193 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 3: if you can expand. 194 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: Like that totally. You know, it's really interesting you talk 195 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: about it as a spiritual practice, because I think there's 196 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: there's an obvious tie to whatever spirituality a person identifies with. 197 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: I've had some people ask me why I'm I'm so 198 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: passionate about service work, and to me, I really have 199 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: learned that community organizing is also a spiritual practice for sure, 200 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: Like I have my traditional version of it, and then 201 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: I've come to learn that like the way I understand, 202 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, gratitude for being on this earth, the way 203 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: I keep things in perspective, like you said when I 204 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: zoom out, is to remember that like being on this 205 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: planet as a human is literally a community activity, and 206 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: we live better in community regardless, like you said, regardless 207 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: of sort of where you fall on any any scale, 208 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: you know, fiscal, geographical, or whatever. Healthy community can really 209 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: be the lifeblood of a person, for sure, And so 210 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: it's really cool to hear you talk about the way 211 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: you always try to remember yourself in community, like almost 212 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: in comparison. And I don't mean the you know, the 213 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: comparison is the thief of joy comparison. I mean like 214 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: just remembering to consider other people, remembering to be grateful 215 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: for everything happening in your life, the good and the bad. 216 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: That's that's really special. 217 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: And I think I really like what you're saying, and 218 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: I'm envious of it, and it's something I've thought about 219 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 3: recently doing more of. 220 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: You know. 221 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: It's one thing to just have the thought of like, well, yeah, 222 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: my life's not so bad, so many people have it worse, 223 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: and then kind of move on with your day. It's 224 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 3: really a much richer, deeper next step to do the 225 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: hard work and to get into community and to I 226 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 3: think that the best thing you can. 227 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: Do is service. 228 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: I'm in such an admiration of people who are in 229 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 3: service to others in any form, you know, as simple 230 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: as just taking time out of your day to help 231 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 3: somebody too. You know the Catholic Pope that like was 232 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: washing the feet the minute he became hope of the 233 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: poor or in any denomination. 234 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: There's so many. 235 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 3: Examples of acts of service and we see it all 236 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: over the place. 237 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: Simple volunteering and that that's stuff that. 238 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 3: I I really want to do more of because it 239 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: makes me feel so good. It gives me a real 240 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 3: sense of like, like to your point about not just 241 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: giving back because it's a catchphrase, but like I'm now 242 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: really participating in my important role in this community on 243 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 3: this planet, and and again to scale, it can be 244 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: whatever somebody can offer, like whatever you can do. No 245 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 3: one's judging that, but it's it's I admire that it's 246 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 3: better than sitting on the sidelines. And that's not to just, 247 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 3: you know, to despair somebody who isn't in a volunteer program. 248 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 3: But I know that I would sleep better at night 249 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 3: and feel better about myself to be a part of 250 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 3: that wheel that is in service to others. 251 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but I think you know, even knowing that 252 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: I'll see you soon at World Mental Health Day, it's like, 253 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: what an amazing way to take what you've both been 254 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: given and earned and offer it out, you know, you 255 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: just said like your twenties were tough, and I I 256 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: think sometimes you know, people in these public life positions, 257 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: you're not you know, you're not public until you're doing 258 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: decently well, so nobody really knows your struggle. And it's 259 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: like even even for you to talk fondly about, you know, 260 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: bopping around trying to be a DJ figure it all out. 261 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: I mean, what a what a wild journey were you? 262 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: Just? 263 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: Were you that passionate about music? Did it feel like 264 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: a calling? Like when it was so hard? What kind 265 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: of kept you on it? 266 00:13:58,640 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: Good music? 267 00:13:59,600 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? 268 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: Music, I just had it like it was just the 269 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: life blood of my soul, always has been. I actually 270 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: think it's tied to sort of the sort of visceral 271 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: nature that I experienced, like when I have a panic attack. 272 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: I've always talked about having panic disorder and sort of 273 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: the physiological things that occur when you're having a panic attack, 274 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: and those are things that you can talk about and 275 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: learn about and deal with. There's tools for that, and 276 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: they're all they're all there. But there's another side of that. 277 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I think I was hardwired this way and 278 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: a lot of that side that, the visual reactions, the heartbeat, 279 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 3: the level of cortisol and excitement as it raises quickly, 280 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: almost as fight or flight. There's a beautiful sort of 281 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: superpower side to that that I experienced that I love 282 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 3: and I remember that at a very young age it 283 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: was and music was what drew that. 284 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: Music like literally like moved me any lots. 285 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 3: Of different types of music too, And so as I 286 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 3: got older, I was like, oh, man, like I just 287 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 3: want to be around music. And I didn't really play it, 288 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 3: but I loved it so much. I love the way 289 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: it made me feel. I love the way it you 290 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 3: know that I could play it and other people would 291 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: react being a DJ, and so yeah, I thought. As 292 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: I was trying to drop out of college and trying 293 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 3: to figure out, my parents were like, well, if you're 294 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: not in college, you're on your own. It's like okay, 295 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 3: And I've got roommates and I'm negotiating, you know, rent 296 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 3: and these all these things that young people do and debt. 297 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I always had this voice. 298 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: It was just like stay close to the music, Like, 299 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: just stay close to the music because happiness, happiness. I 300 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 3: didn't I wasn't brought up thinking like oh, you got 301 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 3: to like go get a job and get like a 302 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: big fat salary and like get a house and you know, 303 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 3: be wealthy and like that. Those are the stepping stones 304 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 3: to the totality of happiness in life. 305 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: I never subscribed to that. I was never taught that. 306 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: In my mind, it was just like stay close to 307 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: the music man, like wake up every day and sort 308 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 3: of love what you do and you're already going to 309 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 3: be winning. 310 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now a word from our sponsors who make 311 00:15:54,800 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: this show possible. Do you remember the first record you bought? 312 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: I remember I had. I don't remember the record. So 313 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 3: I have a sister. I'm fifty one now. I have 314 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: a sister three years older, Quinn, and we're very close, 315 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: closer now now than we were in Santa Monica in 316 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 3: California where we grew up in high school. We were 317 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: a little different. But she had albums and I remember her. 318 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: She had Rick Springfield Working Class Dog. She had a 319 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: Talking Heads album that I used to listen to. I 320 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 3: she had London Calling by the Clash, which became a big, 321 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 3: big album for me. 322 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 2: And then I had some tapes. I was really into 323 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson and I had it was weird, Like my 324 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: mom is from North Carolina. 325 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: She's from the South, and she was an actress and 326 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 3: so I don't know what her background was. She's an 327 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 3: army brat, but her musical taste was sort of all 328 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: over the place and then it became army. It was 329 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: like having from James Taylor to James Brown, Like we 330 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 3: had a lot of souls, but then a lot of 331 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 3: singer songwriter seventies, Fleetwood Mac and all that kind of stuff, 332 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 3: and I just Eagles. I mean, I grew up with 333 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 3: all of that, and it's obviously great stuff and stuff 334 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 3: that I still love today. But yeah, there's a lot 335 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 3: of music played in my house and yeah, just great 336 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 3: memories of it. 337 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: Oh, it's so fun. Yeah, you're taking me back. It's 338 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: like my all the motown I listened to with my mom. 339 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: My dad was a big Eagles fan. Like I remember 340 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: driving around LA with certain songs of it, you know, 341 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: like the Temptations blaring or Hotel California and summer. It's 342 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: so cool. It's really, it's really amazing how music can 343 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: take you back in a way, and that era, you know, 344 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: when you helmed tro even when our show came out, 345 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: like the music was such a big deal and the 346 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: new video would drop or we'd get a crazy sink. 347 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: I mean, my god, I remember we got we got 348 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: off of her very first album ever. We got an 349 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: Adell song on our show. My all were like, who 350 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: is she right? This person? Oh my god? 351 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: Right? 352 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just I don't know, it was such 353 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: a cool era. When do you feel like you realized 354 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: TRL was really a cultural phenomenon, Like did you know 355 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: from the minute you booked it it was a career 356 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: breakthrough or was it more when you saw what the 357 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: show was becoming that you went, oh, holy, I'm going 358 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: to be really part of music history now. 359 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really more the latter. 360 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: I mean when I got to MTV, you know, they 361 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 3: had just bought that big studio in Times Square. 362 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: It's funny. When I got there, I was the radio. 363 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 3: I was the nighttime dist jockey at a station in 364 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 3: Los Angeles called the world famous Kayock, which is like, 365 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 3: you know, the country's most influential alternative rock station. And 366 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 3: it was for a young DJ that was like the 367 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 3: dream job. And so I had that job when I 368 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 3: was like twenty three. 369 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 2: I worked six to ten and. 370 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 3: I in my hometown, and that was like you could 371 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 3: have killed me right then and there you know, like 372 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 3: I was at my in my habit to this day, 373 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 3: one of my greatest jobs of all time love kar Rock. 374 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 3: But when I got to MTV, they were going through 375 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: There was an article in the La Times I think 376 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 3: the year I got there in ninety seven or eight, 377 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 3: and they were like, what happened to the m and MTV? 378 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: They were really there wasn't up. 379 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: They were starting to do a lot of scripted stuff 380 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: and the network was changing, and so we bought this 381 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 3: Today show like ironically enough Space and Times Square, and 382 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 3: I got there and they brought in DJs from with 383 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 3: musical backgrounds. Prior to my term, a lot of the 384 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 3: VJs that I grew up watching were really people that 385 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: would go to LA and try and parlay whatever cable 386 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 3: success they can get to into you know, acting, and 387 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 3: so they kept like losing. The turnaround was not good 388 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 3: for a lot of the VJs. So the management decided 389 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: they would go to like radio and find like more 390 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 3: ambassadors of music, more people that were and so they 391 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: found me a ke Rock and like, you know, you 392 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 3: seem to know all these bands, you want to come 393 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 3: and just do basically music on television. 394 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 2: We had this new studio and. 395 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 3: I said absolutely, and I went and so it was 396 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 3: like this playground of like here we have New York City, 397 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 3: has this incredible backdrop, We have this new studio that 398 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 3: they want to do a live premiere, you know, one 399 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 3: or two hour show their flagship show out of you know, 400 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 3: like a like a Today Show or like a sports center, 401 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 3: Like this is going to be at the epicenter of 402 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 3: the network. VMA's fashion me allowed all the programming is 403 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 3: going to sort of run through this show. It'll be 404 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 3: a place for music videos and so me and like 405 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 3: to other people just kind of sat down and really 406 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 3: formatted Total Requests Live, which at the end of the 407 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 3: day was just this video countdown show, but it would 408 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 3: be the hub for all of these things that would 409 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: come through fifteen to fifteen Broadway. So to answer your question, 410 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 3: like it all happened, we built it because we loved it. 411 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: And we're all so young at MTV. 412 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 3: I mean, the executive preuser of The Voice, that's a 413 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 3: singing show that I host now in NBC, Audrey Morrissey, 414 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: like she and I go back to MTV. 415 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 2: There's so many directors. 416 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 3: And people working in our business that like had we're young, 417 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 3: and like we're given all this responsibility and money, not personally, 418 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 3: but like to build out these shows, you know, to 419 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 3: like go to Cancun for spring break, and we were 420 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 3: all like in our twenties producing cable television. 421 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: It was pretty wild. So just through doing that, like 422 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 2: if you build it, they will come sort of method. Yeah, 423 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:17,719 Speaker 2: one day I was a kid with a sign here, 424 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 2: I skipped going from Jersey. 425 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: Next day like I'm from Connecticut, I'm from LA and 426 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 3: then it's just like cross the street, I'm from Puerto Rico. 427 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: And it was like, you know, eminem and then hip 428 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 3: hop sort of exploded in New York around that time, 429 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: so a lot of things were happening and trl that 430 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: little show just sort of found itself at the epicenter 431 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 3: of it. 432 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. It also was exciting, I mean to watch and 433 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: then wildly to be on eventually with you guys, because 434 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: it felt really spontaneous. It was not like not like 435 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: created spontaneity, you know, not like you see on reality 436 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: shows where they're like, well you're all going to go 437 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: to dinner and get in a fight about this. Yeah, say, 438 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, like it felt justly unpredictable. 439 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 2: It was. It was because we didn't know what we 440 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: were doing. It was just like live. It was live 441 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: as live gets and live. 442 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: Everyone was super unfiltered to your point, everyone was young, 443 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: and I respect the and I miss a little bit 444 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: that lack of polish, Like social media has made everyone 445 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: so anxious about looking good, saying the right thing, not 446 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: saying the wrong thing. Everybody's like a little weird now. 447 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: And you guys, it just felt right, It felt fun 448 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: at the time. Were you a little nervous about it, 449 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: or because people weren't so used to clickbait, backlash, whatever 450 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: fills in the blank. Did you also feel a little freer. 451 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: It's all we knew at the time. I mean, you know, granted, 452 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: culturally things are quite different, but it was also had 453 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: a very well natured, you know thing about it. 454 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 3: This is diversity in its finest. I mean, this is 455 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 3: what it's like really reserved for. And I always took 456 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 3: as sort of host of the show really more about 457 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 3: hosting that space in the real world when multiple genres 458 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 3: and these worlds were coming together. You know, hip hop 459 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 3: fans and you know, a little teeny bopper, you know, 460 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 3: Mandy Moore, eleven year old girl. You know, I felt 461 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 3: like the big brother of the show. 462 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 2: Like it was my job. 463 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 3: It felt like the quad at lunch at Samo where 464 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 3: I went to high school, where there would be like 465 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 3: you know, all sorts of walks of life, you know, 466 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: and I'd. 467 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 2: Be like, hey, come here, man, have you met this guy? 468 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 2: Like I was always that guy. 469 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 3: Like almost like djang Like I would play you know, 470 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 3: public Enemy, and then I would always use it like 471 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 3: a Beastie Boys record to bridge me to get back 472 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 3: into rock because it was you. 473 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: Know, like fusion, Like I feel like that's kind of 474 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 2: who I am and my at my core, it just 475 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 2: as a person, you know, on or off camera. So 476 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 2: it's kind of the perfect job for me. 477 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 3: And I took it sort of serious to make sure 478 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 3: that inside that space of TRL, Yeah, things did get 479 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 3: a little dangerous. Like we thought it would be a 480 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: good idea to have Mark Wahlberg and Eminem when they 481 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 3: first met, like have an exchange, you know, like the 482 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 3: Late Night Show did when one guest was leaving another 483 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 3: guest was coming, because you know, Mark was a was 484 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 3: a white rapper and who was a very successful actor 485 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 3: and here's m promoting eight mile and they definitely have 486 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 3: something in common. Could there be a good TV moment 487 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 3: there and no, there wasn't. There was a very volatile, 488 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 3: like a memorable moment that was, you know. 489 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 2: Pretty much a train crash whoop seek. Yeah, but like 490 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: it's unlike today to your point about social media, like 491 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 2: it's okay. 492 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: It was okay when you talk about bridging genres, bridging 493 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: groups of guests, and like how you looked at it 494 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: almost like the quad. You know, you think about that 495 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: classic scene from Clueless where Share is telling Tay like 496 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: who all the clicks are Yes, But instead of saying like, 497 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: these people don't associate with each other, you were like everybody, yes, yes, 498 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: me hang and yes I've read you know you've called 499 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: yourself the babysitter for the latch Keig kids of America. 500 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: I don't think that's actually exactly how it felt. Like 501 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: you were the cool senior everyone could trust in high 502 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: school and also you like took care of us all 503 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: of our parents were at home when we were watching. 504 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 2: There was a little bit of that like and I didn't. 505 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I never wanted to, Like I I it's weird 506 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 3: now because I sort of I've said before, I think 507 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 3: I got caught up in the vapor trail of the 508 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 3: success of the show and the Backshot Boys and kid 509 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 3: Rock and like whoever else, Brittany. That was never my intention, 510 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 3: you know, like I executive produced that show. I was 511 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 3: in meetings like changing the graphics and like trying to 512 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 3: figure out how to like Disney was stealing our numbers. 513 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: Like I was. My brain was somewhere else. 514 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 3: I had been, like you know, in the music department 515 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: at k Rock, like trying to break like crazy alt 516 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 3: rock bands. So it was it was important to me 517 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 3: that like people got along and felt safe and had 518 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 3: a good time, because that's just who I am. So 519 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 3: you know, American Bandstand was a show for my mom. 520 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: For the boomer generation, it was the first time they 521 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 3: could come home from school and see their peers on television, 522 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 3: Like you couldn't see other teenagers. 523 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 2: And like, oh what are they wearing, Like oh it's 524 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 2: bell bottoms. Oh look at how they're dancing. Look a out. 525 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 3: We see it now, TikTok, Like everybody sees too much, probably, 526 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 3: but that was a special time and I think trl 527 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 3: my era there captured a little bit of that, and 528 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 3: I get that from when I see people to this 529 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 3: day that are just like, oh I grew up with you, 530 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 3: or like you were like my babysitter or whatever. And 531 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 3: I'm like, I take that like that very pridefully, like 532 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 3: I'm honored of that, and and. 533 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 2: I'm glad special that QUAD was a communal, inclusive place 534 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 2: where we had fun and and are all better for 535 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: it totally. 536 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: And then I think that, you know, there's so many 537 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: incredible aspects to it, right, the fact that you were, 538 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: as you said, executive producing the show, really introducing generations 539 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: of young people to great music, really giving artists a platform. 540 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: I mean, there was nothing else like it. And I 541 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: think sometimes when everything looks so great, people don't know 542 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: how hard it is. They don't know about the hours, 543 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: they don't know about the pressure. And as you've opened 544 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: up about your mental health journey, you've actually talked about 545 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: how your first panic attack was in your TRL dressing room. Yes, 546 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: and you know, we've touched on some milestones like the 547 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: loss of your dad when you were five, and this, 548 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, struggling to make it in music journey that 549 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: you had. And then TRL happens and everything looks great 550 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: like you're by all means crushing it for anybody looking 551 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: at you, and then you experience this major scary thing 552 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: where you know, your body doesn't feel like your own. 553 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: Looking back on that, do you think those things are 554 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 1: tied together? Do you feel like you really understand what 555 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: triggered it? Like how did you how did you process 556 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: it then, and how do you feel about it now? 557 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: I guess is my I had. 558 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 2: No idea what was happening. Yeah, I had no idea. 559 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 3: I really had no idea what it was a physiological 560 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 3: feeling of like losing my mind. And you know, this 561 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 3: immense moment in time, I can hear the crowd getting 562 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 3: ready for TRL, like very specific stuff. I remember there 563 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 3: was an old commercial with like a woman in a 564 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 3: bathtub and like I don't know if you remember this, 565 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 3: or you might be too young, but she's in a 566 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 3: bathtub and like the kids are a bubble bath and 567 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 3: like the kids are crying, and. 568 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: Of the delivery guys. M. 569 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 3: Kettel's like all these like stimulated things are happening, and 570 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 3: she starts spinning and it's like, cal gone, take me away. 571 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 3: She's you know, it's like a prolotion or something. And 572 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: I always thought about that commercial because in my first panic. 573 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: Attack, that's what it felt like. 574 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 3: It felt like uncontrollably in my mind all these things 575 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 3: are happening, and I've experienced what we know now to 576 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 3: be derealization and this incredible sense of fight or fight. Now, 577 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: this is all years before I've on the therapy and 578 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: sort of learned that the model of anxiety is an 579 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 3: actual real thing. So at the time you experience panic 580 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 3: disorder or panic attack, for most of us, you go 581 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 3: to the hospital and you do the EKG. You have everything, 582 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 3: and then ultimate doctor comes to the room and goes, 583 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 3: you're fine. And in my case, my doctor Greene, who 584 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 3: still a buddy of mine, he got me out of 585 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 3: the table in the gown office, like, come sit in 586 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 3: my office and he's like, how's your life? 587 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: Like everything okay? Like you might be burning it offends 588 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: and empty, like what's going on? 589 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: And that was the beginning of sort of understanding that 590 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 3: I need to make some lifestyle changes. I have a 591 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 3: whole lot to learn, and I have a lot to 592 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 3: discover about myself. And then that's really where your journey 593 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: is from the moment you experienced let's say, in my 594 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 3: case that panic attack at TRL that was my first 595 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: big red flag mental health symptom. From the time you 596 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 3: have somebody has a symptom of a mental health issue 597 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 3: twint to actually go and get help. The time that 598 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 3: elapses in this country is twelve years. I mean twelve years, Sophia. 599 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 3: That's crazy. Like if you know, if you fell on 600 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: the playground or fell at work and you know, hurt 601 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 3: your hand, how quickly would you be in urgent care 602 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 3: to see if you have a broken and you'd be 603 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 3: there and within the hour, you know, Like, yes, we 604 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 3: don't look at mental health the same way we look 605 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: at physical health these days, and that's a big part 606 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 3: of our push to help break that stigma, to normalize it. 607 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 2: Because I was somebody who lived for over. 608 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 3: A decade with this feeling like I was broken, Like 609 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 3: there was my brain. 610 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 2: I thought, like I really thought I had problems. 611 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 3: And then on top of that, I love the age 612 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 3: where we didn't talk about mental health when I was 613 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 3: growing up and my only fame of reference was was 614 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 3: One Floor Over the Cuckoo's Nest, the movie like straight 615 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 3: jackets and lobotomies and like taking pills that make you 616 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 3: like you know non I'm like there was a real 617 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: black and white thing. 618 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: Like I was like, if this. 619 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 3: Is happening, I'm feeling these ways, I'm feeling I have 620 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 3: no idea what it is, and something's really wrong, and. 621 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 2: I don't even know how to articulate it to somebody. 622 00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: I'm a communicative person. 623 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 3: I could go on to my mom, but I didn't 624 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 3: even know how to explain it at the time. That's 625 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 3: why sharing these stories has really become such an a powerful, 626 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 3: powerful tool, because it wasn't until I read a story 627 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 3: that Kevin Loved, the basketball player, wrote about having a 628 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 3: panic attack during an NBA game. I was like, Oh 629 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 3: my god, that's exactly what happened to me during a 630 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 3: tr like a high profile, a high stress event, same thing, 631 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 3: and he articulated it so well, and I was like, yeah. 632 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: Me too, Like that was me too. 633 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 3: And I feel like, you know, the more I've told 634 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 3: my stories, that that's the response I get, especially in 635 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 3: the last you know, however long it's been almost ten 636 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 3: years now. 637 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 2: Like in the airport, it's like fight club. 638 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 3: Like I've been on TV every day since nineteen ninety 639 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 3: seven in some capacity doing something stupid with videos or whatever, 640 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 3: you know, my chop it's the dumb lucky to do 641 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 3: it like whatever it is on in the middle of 642 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 3: the night on a late night show introducing you to 643 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 3: a band, whatever it is. 644 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: But like more people now it's like fight club in 645 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 2: the airport. 646 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 3: So I'm an la extra JFK. Everyone was like, hey, man, 647 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 3: thanks for talking about that mental health. Like the mental 648 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 3: health thing is the thing, and it really makes me 649 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 3: realize how many people are suffering in silence, and I 650 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 3: don't want them to I want them to see, like, oh, 651 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 3: if you can see that loser on TV that you've 652 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 3: seen for twenty years on TV, that you thought had 653 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 3: a perfect life, if you can learn like realize that, 654 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 3: like it's a struggle for him still every day and 655 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 3: like he's got things to work through and they're no 656 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 3: different than working out in this gym. You know your body. 657 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 3: It takes work. And if someone else can, if I 658 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 3: become that, like hey, if that loser can do it, 659 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 3: I can do it. Then That's why like having conversations 660 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 3: like this is so it almost goes back to what 661 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 3: you were saying about service and community. Like it feels 662 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 3: like I'm so happy to answer anybody's questions that they 663 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 3: might have for me about dealing with mental health in 664 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 3: service to them. 665 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 2: I don't know if it'll be useful information, but. 666 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 3: I'm so willing to share, even at the risk of 667 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 3: somebody thinking, you know, I'm an a whole or crazy 668 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 3: or whatever label they want to give me. 669 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 2: I don't really care. 670 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: Now a word from our sponsors. We exist in a 671 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: world where anything you say someone's going to criticize you for. 672 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: But you keep going because of the people, like the 673 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: folks who've come up to at airports. You keep talking 674 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: because you don't want people to feel alone. And it's like, 675 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: whether it's mental health, whether it's a relationship struggle. You know, 676 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: obviously it happens to men as well, but I think 677 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: especially for women the importance of speaking up about, you know, 678 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: harassment or assault. It changes the shame other people feel 679 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: because suddenly they don't feel alone. And you know, you 680 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: said that when this first started, you thought that you 681 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: were broken. To learn that you aren't changes everything. When 682 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: did you when did you get different language for that? 683 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: Like what did you learn about mental health or anxiety 684 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: or panic disorder, or maybe maybe all of it that 685 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: helped you understand that it's an experience, a condition beyond 686 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: your control, that it's not your fault, that nothing's nothing's 687 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: quote wrong with you, Like when did you start to. 688 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 3: Get that probably the best day of my life getting 689 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 3: that that affirmation and information, and that was when I 690 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 3: was diagnosed. God, I wish his name will come to me. 691 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 3: But the first doctor I saw was in LA. He 692 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 3: was a former director of psychology at U c l 693 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 3: A and has a has like an og really smart 694 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 3: guy and in learning about him later, has lots of 695 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 3: great early connections to cognitive behavioral therapy. And as I 696 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 3: sort of researched where I needed to go to speak 697 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 3: to talk about all this CBT. 698 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 2: To me personally, it's all personal stuff. You know some people. Yeah, 699 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: so this is just what worked for me. I kind 700 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 2: of wanted to cap it. 701 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 3: I was like, let's let me go talk to somebody 702 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 3: for twelve weeks and like, let's see how this goes. 703 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 3: And so when I went and first sat down with 704 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 3: the doctor and I think I filled out like a 705 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 3: questionnaire and and then it was just like, uh, okay, yeah, 706 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 3: I know you have GAD, so let's come in there, 707 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 3: we'll talk about that. And then looks like you have 708 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 3: some panic disorder, he said, it's so mildly. 709 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what's GAD? 710 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 3: Like this is a thing, Like he's like, I have 711 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 3: no oh, like it just came back your blood, your 712 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 3: laps came back and you you have okay, yeah, you 713 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 3: tested positive for COVID and you've got oh, you've got 714 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: some pneumonia. Like it was like that sort of language 715 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 3: to me, Like now all those nights of feeling broken 716 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 3: and go like, oh, what's what's gad that's the thing, 717 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 3: like like being like it's And then through the process 718 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 3: of learning about the model of anxiety, going back in 719 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 3: history and learning about animals and learning about fight or 720 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 3: flight and learning about all. 721 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 2: Of these things, you learned that. 722 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 3: And I learned that which I never knew it was 723 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 3: I wish I had that it is possible for your 724 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 3: brain to play tricks on your body. 725 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 2: That's a thing. That's a thing. 726 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 3: Yes, your brain can tell your body there's an imminent 727 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 3: thread to you in the same exact way you and 728 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 3: you will experience that physically, in the same way as 729 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 3: if it really was if there was a bear right 730 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 3: here and I'm hiking ye in Malibu and like, there's 731 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 3: a that same physical reaction. 732 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: It's as real. 733 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 3: So that was a big language breakthrough, therapeutic moment for me, 734 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 3: not only learning about anxiety but also realizing that when 735 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 3: I started to feel these physical reactions, I could get 736 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 3: to the place where I knew like, oh that's not true. 737 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 2: It's not true. 738 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 3: And that's a really big discovery that you're like, Wow, 739 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 3: the brain's pretty freaking powerful. 740 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: Wow. 741 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 2: And then I loved it. 742 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 3: And then I sort of you know, at least I 743 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 3: love all my therapy and it didn't like it wasn't 744 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 3: a quick fix all I didn't. 745 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 2: I still had to fight through. 746 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 3: You know, I've talked about like when I wake up 747 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 3: every day even now, I feel like I have a 748 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 3: cookie sheet filled with water and I have to like 749 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 3: walk gently to not slash the water over. 750 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 2: That's kind of my gad baseline. 751 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 3: And then it's like more information comes in my day 752 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 3: and oh you've got to do this, and you got 753 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 3: to host this and you gotta fly here, and I 754 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 3: start to get a little like am I gonna be okay? 755 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 2: And it starts to get a little more wobbly. 756 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 3: And now when the water starts to slash over the 757 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 3: cookie sheet, that's kind of the panic setting in. And 758 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 3: that's that model for me for years could have led 759 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 3: me to sort of a gore phobia. I mean, I 760 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 3: was headed in the direction because what we do is 761 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 3: we shut off our world to get smaller. You know, 762 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 3: I would have panic attacks. I had one an Aspen, Colorado. 763 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 3: I was like, no, that's a trigger. I better not 764 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 3: go to altitude. Not going to altitude. Oh I had 765 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 3: to one in this restaurant. Not going there long car rides. 766 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 2: So I can't. I'm going to be stuck. I would 767 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 2: be able to get out. Like I can't do that. 768 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 2: I start canceling plan to shrink life. It starts to 769 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 2: shrink your life. 770 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 3: And I swore this is happening simultaneously with you know, 771 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 3: making a commitment to therapy and really learning about this 772 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 3: and trying to help myself and develop tools. I may 773 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 3: have promised to myself that I would not let this 774 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 3: thing strength my life. And yeah, and I'm so glad 775 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 3: I made that commitment. 776 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel extra passionate about that? I mean, 777 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: obviously you deserve not to have your life shrunken just 778 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: for you. Sure, but you were talking earlier about your family, 779 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: and you know, to have a big family, to be 780 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,479 Speaker 1: a dad to four kids, I would imagine there's also 781 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: kind of a like a mission in fatherhood where you say, 782 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: I've got to make sure I don't model fear of 783 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: my own mind for my children. Total, I've got to 784 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: make sure I model healthy communication, having a tool kit, 785 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: going to therapy, like things that will raise healthy people 786 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: who maybe won't have to deal with as much as 787 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: our generation is. You know, like, how do you think that. 788 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: Do you talk to them about anxiety? 789 00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:57,919 Speaker 2: Yeah? 790 00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I talked to them about my Yeah, my sixteen 791 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 3: year old for the last three years has has come 792 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 3: to our project Healthy Minds, Big gallon that we do 793 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 3: in New York City. 794 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 2: I mean I talk. 795 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 3: I have three girls. I have girls five, eleven and thirteen. 796 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 3: I'm a big communicator. I mean I I every time 797 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 3: there with me, much to my wife's chagrin of rolling 798 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 3: her eyes because it's like, oh God, here's another like 799 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 3: teachable moment. 800 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 2: You know. 801 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,919 Speaker 3: I'm like, your mom graduated from Wisconsin. She's smart, she's 802 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 3: got the degree I dropped out of college. You go 803 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 3: to her for homework and you come to me for 804 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 3: the University of life. I'll teach you how to you know. 805 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 2: I taught my thirteen year old girl she was going 806 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 2: to like a Sabrina Carpenter concert. I'm like, yo, you 807 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 2: know how to do when you get out of the garden. 808 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 2: You got to go get a hot cup of coffee. 809 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 3: Don't you have to drink it, but just hold on 810 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 3: to it because that can be a weapon if you 811 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 3: see somebody sketchy and there's a problem. 812 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 2: But oh, that's really smart, dad. How do you know that. 813 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 2: I'm like, University of Life. You don't. They don't teach 814 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 2: you that in college. 815 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: You're like, we used to be in these streets. 816 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And so yeah. 817 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 3: Like any moment that I can make it a teachable moment, 818 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 3: and I do. I'm so lucky that New York, which 819 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 3: is just like my favorite city, is my backdrop for 820 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 3: that because there's so much diversity, and there's so much 821 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 3: to point to and so much culture and so much 822 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 3: about you know that. I try to teach my kids 823 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 3: about life and like, so again, like I find myself saying, 824 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 3: you know, don't be like me. 825 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 2: You know, I have. 826 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 3: A I probably am not as worldly traveled as I 827 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 3: might have been because I am a bit of a 828 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 3: homebody because I still don't like it makes me nervous, 829 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 3: you know, But I don't want them. 830 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 2: To be like that. 831 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 3: So I'm like, open your wings, fly, go see experience. 832 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,399 Speaker 3: Travel is the best educator, meet people, love people, talk 833 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 3: to people. 834 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 2: There's nothing better than that. 835 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 3: And I think I talk about it more passionately because 836 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 3: I didn't really have anybody talking to me like that, 837 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 3: because again it's generational. My dad was like, get a 838 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 3: fucking job, you loser, Like oh yeah, Like, yeah, you're 839 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 3: gonna go to like you know, you're gonna able to 840 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 3: Redding Festival and watch a bunch of bands like do 841 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 3: you know how much that plane ticket is there? 842 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 2: Where are you gonna stay? How are you gonna eat? 843 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 3: Like I can hear my dad in my head, and 844 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 3: like you know, I try and be more encouraging to 845 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 3: my kids of like, yeah, man. 846 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 2: Go do it, but also get a goddamn get a job. 847 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 2: I say that too. Yeah, well you have to kind 848 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 2: of do books like you said. It's really that balance 849 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 2: is so important, right, I mean yeah, Balance to me 850 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 2: is just like I don't have money, rooms for much 851 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 2: room left for tattoos. But that's always been one I 852 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 2: wanted to get, was balance, because it's it. 853 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 3: Keeps coming back to me in so many ways. But 854 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 3: it's such a beautiful thing to find that in whatever 855 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 3: duality you might be talking about, that harmonious point is 856 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 3: usually in the middle, right, it's we're missing it now 857 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,439 Speaker 3: culturally politically, but that delta that there's that sweet spot 858 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 3: in the middle, that that where we find balance and 859 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 3: we've gotten to the or the fulk room if you 860 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 3: think of, you know, two kids on a teeter totter 861 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 3: and we're just teeter tottering so much now, but it's 862 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 3: that fulkroom, like that's where the love is and. 863 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, that's a that's a good place to be. 864 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful. Also, I just I love the word 865 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: choice because folkrum is such a good one and I'm like, see, 866 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: look at us college dropouts still on top of it, 867 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: nailing the SAT terms. 868 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,479 Speaker 2: Okay, right, what was that on the SAT know? Because 869 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 2: I didn't take it, I don't. 870 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: Know, I feel like it probably would have been you know, 871 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 1: you you mentioned that you involved the kids in Project 872 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: Healthy Minds, and we were talking about how we're going 873 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: to see each other soon at World Mental Health Day. 874 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: Can you tell our friends at home about the project, 875 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: how you got involved? You know, what are the what 876 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 1: are the goals of the festival, Like, give us a 877 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: little bit of info. 878 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. So, you know, when I made a conscious. 879 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,320 Speaker 2: There's a There was a moment that on the Today 880 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 2: Show where they I sort of was outed with my 881 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 2: story about my anxiety, and they did a piece on me. 882 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 2: Which is weird. 883 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 3: When you are, you know, work for a news organization 884 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 3: and you usually report on entertainment stories and news stores, 885 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,240 Speaker 3: you don't ever really want to be the subject. 886 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 2: But in this case I was. 887 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 3: I'm like the al Bundi of the Today Show, like 888 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 3: anything with mental health or bad backs. I have back surgery, 889 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,760 Speaker 3: like any like Dad problem, like Dad bought, can't lose 890 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 3: the weight in the middle, par like that's my that's 891 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 3: like that's my sweet, that's my jam. On this Today Shop, 892 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 3: I cover that right. And so mental health became right 893 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 3: around the pandemic. I had made a conscious decision that 894 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 3: I wanted to really get some skin in the game, 895 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 3: and so I met this guy, Phil Shermer, who went to. 896 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,400 Speaker 2: Michigan and was a go getter. 897 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 3: Worked He was like the youngest intern for the Economic 898 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 3: Council in the White House in the Obama administration. He 899 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 3: had like worked the Black Rock for seven years. 900 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 2: And like, I meet this guy and he's just like 901 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 2: got his together and he was with logic, who's a 902 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,280 Speaker 2: rapper and a buddy of mine, and Logic did a song. 903 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 3: Which was the National Suicide Hotline, and he did it 904 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 3: on the VMAs and we found out that the when 905 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 3: he did that song, that the national call center experienced 906 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,479 Speaker 3: a fifty percent spike in calls, not like a week 907 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 3: later on the heels of Logic doing that song, but 908 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 3: during the VMAs, fifty percent people were calling like there 909 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 3: was And so Phil and Logic were partnering on this 910 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 3: new nonprofit that was going to be around breaking the 911 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 3: stigma of mental health, a millennial driven nonprofit in New York. 912 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 2: It was a startup. Their goals were simple. They were like, 913 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,879 Speaker 2: why isn't there an expedia for mental health? 914 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 3: Like why why isn't there a door dash? Why is 915 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 3: it so hard to find access to care? This should 916 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 3: be a tech thing. We have to build an algorithm 917 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 3: that like this should be like an app, like you know, 918 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 3: if you need to go talk to somebody, and it 919 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 3: should be really smart and culturally relevant and all the things. 920 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 3: And so I was like, you guys are speaking you know, 921 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 3: music to my ears, And I ended up getting involved 922 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 3: and I'm like, whatever you want. So it was nice 923 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 3: to put all my philanthropic give back eggs in one 924 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,439 Speaker 3: place and the people of Project Healthy Minds are great. 925 00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 2: And so this is the third year of our World Mental. 926 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 3: Health Day and festival and gala and it's just this, 927 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 3: you know, twenty four to forty eight hours of all 928 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 3: really cool stuff and breakout sessions and meetings and you know, 929 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 3: stuff that you can read about, and then I host 930 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 3: the gala at night and well, you know, we give 931 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 3: awards the way and it's just been really like rewarding 932 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,839 Speaker 3: to do the work in this space and to share 933 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 3: my story. 934 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:20,880 Speaker 2: You know. 935 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 3: It's the suicide part of this has been something that's 936 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 3: really reared its ugly head to me personally in the 937 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 3: last I don't know, a year and a half because 938 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 3: if you look at the spectrum of mental health issues 939 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 3: and it really is. 940 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,320 Speaker 2: That there's a lot out there. But yeah, to learn 941 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,839 Speaker 2: and to see how many people are dying by suicide 942 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 2: and what little we know about it, and then my 943 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 2: research and working with the National Suicide Foundations, that's a 944 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 2: that's that really I feel like requires some attention now. 945 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 2: It's it's just really scary and and so yeah, like 946 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 2: we we kind of dive into all of it and 947 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,879 Speaker 2: and now have this great app at PHM that people 948 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 2: can go and and uh and. 949 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 3: Get access to help. There's still a lot of work 950 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 3: to do. It's like it's a moment, but we need 951 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 3: this to be like, you know, a big movement. 952 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:26,919 Speaker 1: And now a word from our wonderful sponsors to your point. 953 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: You know, stigma has to change. It's so weird to 954 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: me that we live in a culture that's so obsessed 955 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: with physical fitness, but we don't agree. We don't respect 956 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: mental fitness. I agree, and in a way we denigrate it. 957 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: I actually learned, you know, on on my own journey 958 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: and looking through modalities and trying to build out my 959 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 1: mental fitness toolkit. I landed on, you know, the right 960 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: therapist for me who happens to be a CBT expert. 961 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 1: And so there's CBT and DBT and I'm like, I'm 962 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: a research nerd. 963 00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 2: You know. 964 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 1: I finally understand that all the things that made me 965 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 1: super weird as a kid, and that made me really 966 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,440 Speaker 1: attracted to community service even because it's about other people. Oh, 967 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,719 Speaker 1: lets me do something, but it can be about everyone else, 968 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: you know. I like, I understand now that that's my 969 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,879 Speaker 1: like cute little neurospicy brain being like, oh, I want 970 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,319 Speaker 1: to read the white paper, like I want to read 971 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,200 Speaker 1: the American Medical Journal report on and like not everybody 972 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,399 Speaker 1: wants to do that, but I do. 973 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 3: You know, yeah you do that. 974 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 2: And it's like for me. 975 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,799 Speaker 1: You know, learning about not only my stuff, but how 976 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,239 Speaker 1: it fits into the larger ecosystem of mental health, what 977 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 1: goes on with people, how they're treated or not. Not 978 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,279 Speaker 1: only do we need to change the access, we need 979 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: to change the way we think about these things. For me, 980 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 1: I actually think the top of the pyramid of the 981 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,839 Speaker 1: kind of person I want to be around, the kind 982 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,920 Speaker 1: of person I want to work with, the kind of 983 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: person I want to be in a relationship with is 984 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 1: someone who takes care of their mental health. Ye not 985 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,759 Speaker 1: someone who pretends it's not a thing they need to. 986 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 2: Agree, you know. 987 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,960 Speaker 1: And that feels like it needs cultural shift. 988 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 3: I agree, And I think that reminds me of Dak Prescott, 989 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 3: who has been very vocal about losing his brother to suicide, 990 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,880 Speaker 3: the quarterback for the Cowboys, And I remember when that happened, 991 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,239 Speaker 3: there was a sports reporter or two that treated it 992 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,839 Speaker 3: like a ding like because he was showing so much 993 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 3: emotion and they were making pint. If you're going to 994 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,880 Speaker 3: how going to be America's quarterback and show this, you 995 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 3: know and be so you know, like he was crying 996 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 3: in an interview about this, this tremendous, tremendous loss that 997 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,359 Speaker 3: he had have and I remember just thinking like, this 998 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 3: is everything that's wrong, like not just in sport, but 999 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 3: like in the world. Like if I were Jerry Jones 1000 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 3: or if I was the owner of a national football 1001 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 3: and my quarterback, you know, my sort of what we 1002 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,480 Speaker 3: deem now is like this gladiator on Sunday was impenetrable 1003 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:45,319 Speaker 3: to me. 1004 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,000 Speaker 2: That's a leadership skill. 1005 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,720 Speaker 3: That he that he emoted and that he was honest 1006 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,720 Speaker 3: and he was vulnerable, and that he is currently dealing 1007 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 3: with his mental health. These are the people that you 1008 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 3: want to be around. That's who you actually want the 1009 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,520 Speaker 3: lead your team. Not the guy who puts on the 1010 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 3: straight face and does what we've been doing for hundreds 1011 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 3: of years and. 1012 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 2: Just you know, pushing it down deep inside and you know, and. 1013 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,960 Speaker 1: Just ignore it and then winds up beating someone or 1014 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,319 Speaker 1: doing something insane. 1015 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 2: It's going to transfer somewhere. 1016 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's a part of the work that we're 1017 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,719 Speaker 3: doing as far as breaking the stigma is just yeah, 1018 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,839 Speaker 3: those really and that's really where the work needs to 1019 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 3: still to still go. I mean it also bothers me 1020 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,319 Speaker 3: in you know, black and brown communities and rural communities. 1021 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,920 Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, the stigma is even greater 1022 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:34,440 Speaker 3: for for a lot of those folks, and their access 1023 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,760 Speaker 3: to cares harder than others. 1024 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 2: So you know, it's like, I don't know, yeah, we can. 1025 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 3: As much as we want to feel like we're making 1026 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 3: some progress, there's still a lot of work to be 1027 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 3: done in a lot of areas where people you know, 1028 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:49,640 Speaker 3: really really need it. 1029 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think that's a really important thing. And 1030 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,359 Speaker 1: I think therapy teaches you that right to be able 1031 00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,160 Speaker 1: to hold the duality of things, to say, we're doing 1032 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 1: all this work, and this is our goal list and 1033 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 1: this year, this is what we're up to, and we 1034 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 1: haven't done enough in these arenas and and we're going 1035 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,920 Speaker 1: to look at that too, And I think that's amazing. 1036 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,240 Speaker 1: You know, it strikes me. I've talked about your career 1037 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: and family and all the wonderful work you guys are 1038 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,800 Speaker 1: doing with Project Healthy Minds, and then it makes me 1039 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 1: think about that first panic attack you had and you 1040 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 1: were mentioning, you know, hosting the Voice. Yeah, do you 1041 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: think that having been through that in a voice of 1042 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 1: your own with TRL, does that shift the way you 1043 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,319 Speaker 1: work as a host because you know the kind of 1044 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 1: pressure not only you can feel, but that your contestants 1045 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 1: are under. Like does it shift your relationship with the 1046 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,879 Speaker 1: contestants on the show and how you make sure they're 1047 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 1: being cared for? 1048 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,719 Speaker 3: Well, now, I know, I know the symptoms and I 1049 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 3: know panic and anxiety when I see it, especially in 1050 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,920 Speaker 3: young people because having lived it for so long. So 1051 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 3: I've interviewed a lot of hop stars actually and I 1052 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 3: and I've seen it. I've seen it come on like 1053 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 3: when they just are sweating all of a sudden. I 1054 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 3: mean I can just see it. And so that sort 1055 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,080 Speaker 3: of dual citizenship, if. 1056 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,480 Speaker 2: You will, does buy. I'm very aware of it. 1057 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,600 Speaker 3: And now I now it's just like hey, let's you know, 1058 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,640 Speaker 3: I'll go to a commercial break and you know, and 1059 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,239 Speaker 3: just like you know, take a walk like I know 1060 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,239 Speaker 3: it's going you know, like just try and or with 1061 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 3: the artists on the voice. 1062 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,280 Speaker 2: Now, I still have I still get nervous. 1063 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,360 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, being on in front of millions 1064 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 3: of people is never an easy thing. It's like, you know, 1065 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 3: if you get on a plane and you're not a 1066 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,719 Speaker 3: little bit nervous to fly if something's wrong with you, 1067 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:36,920 Speaker 3: you know, it's like it's not a normous no. 1068 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,399 Speaker 1: You never get used to knowing what's on the other 1069 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,440 Speaker 1: side of the camera, to be clear, like for anyone listening, 1070 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,080 Speaker 1: you never stop feeling nervous about it. 1071 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,040 Speaker 2: I'll also never sure it's going to come out of 1072 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 2: my mouth. I speak like very freely in the real world, 1073 00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,399 Speaker 2: like I swear a lot. 1074 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 3: I'm stream of conscious. I'm a radio DJ, so I 1075 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 3: can edit pretty quick. But and I love live TV 1076 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,120 Speaker 3: for that. It's exciting and it's a chance to communicate 1077 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,359 Speaker 3: in a different manner. And I think you can show 1078 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,719 Speaker 3: a lot more authenticity just by talking without having to 1079 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,279 Speaker 3: you know, read a tellpomp or whatever. 1080 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,040 Speaker 2: But I do that also. 1081 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,479 Speaker 3: But yeah, to your point, I think I'm hyper aware 1082 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,960 Speaker 3: of the of other people's feelings in general, and it's 1083 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 3: really a great thing to have to be able to 1084 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 3: sense that that somebody else might be struggling, and to 1085 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,920 Speaker 3: be able to, you know, offer them a couple of 1086 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,480 Speaker 3: tools or just put an arm around them someone and 1087 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:26,840 Speaker 3: just say I know what you're going through, give them 1088 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 3: a hug or like say, hey, let's just do some 1089 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,640 Speaker 3: breathing really fast, like you know you can, like you 1090 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,880 Speaker 3: can calm your nervous system down pretty quick these days. 1091 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, just by you know, breathing. I think a lot 1092 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:39,280 Speaker 2: of people forget to breathe. 1093 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to remind myself all the time. 1094 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:43,920 Speaker 2: It's wild. It's a wild ride. 1095 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, on a pure entertainment level, just because I also 1096 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,640 Speaker 1: am a really big fan of the voice. You're kicking 1097 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 1: off season twenty eight, which sounds nuts and thrilling. Can 1098 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 1: you give us just like a little tea on what 1099 00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: we can expect? 1100 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,000 Speaker 2: God, it's so much fun. 1101 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,400 Speaker 3: I can't believe the show has been on as long 1102 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,399 Speaker 3: as it's been on and it's just still doing well. 1103 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 3: There's so many talented people in the country, and they 1104 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 3: have these great stories of you know, wanting to pursue 1105 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,839 Speaker 3: their dreams and it's never too late, and it's it's 1106 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,319 Speaker 3: always inspiring to be around. But yeah, seas in twenty 1107 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 3: eighth straight you know if Snoop Dogg has been such 1108 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,320 Speaker 3: an interesting addition to our show because we're a singing show. 1109 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,880 Speaker 2: But he's he's just been great he's been really emotional. 1110 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,720 Speaker 3: I think he's actually brought a lot to the voice. 1111 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,360 Speaker 3: So I would point to season twenty eight really just 1112 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,799 Speaker 3: to watch Snoop Dogg. He really is a wonderful part 1113 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:34,360 Speaker 3: of the program. 1114 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 1: Now, I'm glad to hear that. Now for you, and 1115 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:43,360 Speaker 1: this could be about work or you know, cause work 1116 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 1: or your personal life. What do you feel like is 1117 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,880 Speaker 1: your work in progress these days? 1118 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,160 Speaker 2: My work in progress is I would say two things, 1119 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,080 Speaker 2: you know, finding balance. You know, my life is just 1120 00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 2: so I don't have a nine to five. You know, 1121 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,640 Speaker 2: I just traveled from LA to New York. 1122 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,480 Speaker 3: Nine straight weeks commuting for a job, and now that 1123 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 3: has stopped, and so my life will be different. 1124 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 2: So it's never the same. 1125 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wake up and I don't know if I'm 1126 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,239 Speaker 3: at the Universal Hilton or if I'm in my home 1127 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,799 Speaker 3: on Long Island. I'm tired at odd times because I've 1128 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,840 Speaker 3: lived this by coastal lifestyle just in the last like 1129 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,680 Speaker 3: three months. But that'll end, and I'm not going to 1130 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,719 Speaker 3: complain about it because I can't. And so there's just 1131 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,600 Speaker 3: a lot of internal dialogue that I have about. 1132 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,120 Speaker 2: Finding that fulk room, you know, finding balance for myself. 1133 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,080 Speaker 2: I'm getting, you know, I structure is good for me. 1134 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,319 Speaker 2: I need that. I'm excited now that I'll be here 1135 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:38,280 Speaker 2: for a minute in New York. 1136 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,839 Speaker 3: And I'll I'll be able to you know, I get 1137 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,359 Speaker 3: up at four in the morning for the Today Show 1138 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,879 Speaker 3: every day, so I got to put my I read 1139 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,440 Speaker 3: books to my five year old and we go to 1140 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,239 Speaker 3: bed a like eight o'clock. And I'm looking forward to 1141 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,440 Speaker 3: getting back into like a routine is important. 1142 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:50,560 Speaker 2: You know. 1143 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,480 Speaker 3: I'll be in my health center and I'll you know, 1144 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,000 Speaker 3: get back to working out and cole plunge and do 1145 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,360 Speaker 3: all my things and meditating. And I love to go 1146 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,479 Speaker 3: to my my church here and the community there, and so. 1147 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 2: You know, my work in progress is really just like 1148 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:13,440 Speaker 2: this this holy trinity of physical, spiritual, mental, you know balance, 1149 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,920 Speaker 2: Like how are these three things in my life? Is 1150 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,400 Speaker 2: they orbit around me? How am I making sure that 1151 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,920 Speaker 2: they're all being you know, taken care of, you know, 1152 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:21,920 Speaker 2: as part of my prey. 1153 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,799 Speaker 3: When I wake up every day, I always say, like, 1154 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,600 Speaker 3: I want to be the best husband I can be today. 1155 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 3: I want to be just one percent better. I want 1156 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:29,880 Speaker 3: to be a better father. I want to be a 1157 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 3: better global citizen. I want to be a better Christian. 1158 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,640 Speaker 3: In my case, I want to be a better coworker. 1159 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,759 Speaker 3: So give you know, thank you God for this new day. 1160 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,800 Speaker 3: I got twenty four hours. Let's just keep it simple. 1161 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,400 Speaker 3: Let's not look too far ahead and let me be 1162 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,920 Speaker 3: the best version of myself for your will. Not to 1163 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,879 Speaker 3: benefit selfishly for anything. I'm not looking for anything. I'm 1164 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,280 Speaker 3: gonna wear this black T shirt again tomorrow. But whatever 1165 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,560 Speaker 3: happens in my day, whatever comes across my desk my phone, 1166 00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,960 Speaker 3: let me be a vessel for good for the world. 1167 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,959 Speaker 3: And look, the answers that come out of my mouth 1168 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,799 Speaker 3: be beneficial to others. Those are the things that are 1169 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,480 Speaker 3: always like works in progress for me in like just 1170 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,160 Speaker 3: twenty four hour compartments. 1171 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's beautiful. 1172 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,839 Speaker 2: That's weird, but yeah, no, I think it's wonderful. It's 1173 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:19,600 Speaker 2: just true, you know. 1174 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so grateful that, you know, I've gotten to 1175 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,880 Speaker 1: share some really meaningful moments in life with you. And 1176 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,640 Speaker 1: I can't wait for a World Mental Health Day. Yeah, 1177 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,520 Speaker 1: I'll see you there and so sweet. We'll make sure 1178 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,640 Speaker 1: our friends at home listening to this hang have all 1179 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,319 Speaker 1: the resources to follow along, you know, online and on 1180 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:38,319 Speaker 1: social as well. 1181 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,239 Speaker 2: Why don't you just be a psychiatrist at this one 1182 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:41,399 Speaker 2: because you're very good at it. 1183 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:43,240 Speaker 1: Thank you. 1184 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:44,759 Speaker 2: You could charge a lot for this, you know. 1185 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,759 Speaker 1: I know my therapist isn't cheap, but he's worth every 1186 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:48,319 Speaker 1: penny I pay. 1187 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:49,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 1188 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,040 Speaker 3: You know that you could charge that for your guests. 1189 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,319 Speaker 3: So it was a really fun conversation. And I really 1190 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 3: appreciate it. Your willingness to go there and yeah and 1191 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:00,960 Speaker 3: offer the platform for people to have these sorts of 1192 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,160 Speaker 3: dialogues are so important. 1193 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:02,719 Speaker 2: So thank you. 1194 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,799 Speaker 1: I appreciate you too, and I do really mean it. 1195 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,600 Speaker 1: I think it's so so incredibly impactful when somebody who's 1196 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,080 Speaker 1: got like a great career they could just keep to 1197 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,600 Speaker 1: themselves and keep to their families, says like, let me, well, 1198 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,120 Speaker 1: is this audience for good? 1199 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:19,480 Speaker 2: You know? 1200 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 1: So thank you for that. 1201 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,400 Speaker 3: Don't buy the Instagram bullshit. Not everybody's that happy in 1202 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,320 Speaker 3: that picture. Life doesn't look like that, so don't don't 1203 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,120 Speaker 3: buy into that. Yeah, there's real conversations to be had 1204 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:31,640 Speaker 3: out there. 1205 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,640 Speaker 2: And listening to people were so important. So you're the best. 1206 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, my dear. I'll see you soon, 1207 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:37,760 Speaker 1: all right. 1208 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:38,160 Speaker 2: By