Speaker 1: That sweater fly to my brother. I like that sweater.
Speaker 2: I took it back the next day.
Speaker 1: He kept the tag on that motherfucker.
Speaker 3: You kept the tag right in there. I took it
Speaker 3: back the next day.
Speaker 4: Welcome Back Unplugged, our weekly spin around spots, Sports, culture, Entertainment.
Speaker 4: We got a special guest off the Rip today, Jack.
Speaker 4: But before we introduce our guests, Jack, you was just
Speaker 4: out in Mexico. I can see you got a little darker.
Speaker 4: Didn't try to Yeah, I know, I know you run
Speaker 4: from the sun, but sometimes that ship is tough.
Speaker 1: How were you? I know you was out there with
Speaker 1: socks on the beach. How was that Mexico?
Speaker 5: Bro Man. I had a good time. It was good
Speaker 5: to get away because it's been to ramp up. You know,
Speaker 5: we got a lot of stuff going on with the
Speaker 5: tour in Big three, so I needed to get away.
Speaker 5: Wife enjoyed it. Had my childhood friend who I went
Speaker 5: to middle school with. Movie, So who's a good trip
Speaker 5: I needed. He was Indianapolis for the third Let it Go,
Speaker 5: uy b. We did well three and one.
Speaker 4: Played an eight am game out there, which is five
Speaker 4: am our time. They called us slipping once, but all
Speaker 4: qualified for peace jam we'll be ready to rock uh
Speaker 4: in July. Man, I want to welcome in right now.
Speaker 4: Our brother Charlotte Maagne, what's good, bro?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: What's up my brothers? Matt Stack's happening?
Speaker 4: What's up my boy? We saw your donky other day.
Speaker 4: We definitely want to touch on that at some point,
Speaker 4: but let's start with some positivity first. Uh, you know
Speaker 4: we can't with so Charlott Mane. We came together what
Speaker 4: two years ago.
Speaker 2: It might be like four, five, going on five.
Speaker 1: It's been going on five.
Speaker 2: It's been a high school term, bachelor's degree in college.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're blaming on the Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well no, obviously we appreciate you know, you came in
Speaker 4: and found us in and brought us an opportunity to
Speaker 4: work with you and your company Black Effects over there
Speaker 4: at iHeart and it's been a very solid situation in
Speaker 4: partnership and relationship.
Speaker 1: But also through that has come.
Speaker 4: We have a coffee table book, Yeah, launch in October eighth,
Speaker 4: and it is through your company. Explain how the partnership
Speaker 4: with Simon and Schuster and I don't want to butcher
Speaker 4: the other name, but kind of explain how that came
Speaker 4: through your publishing deal.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm just a fan of what y'all do. Man.
Speaker 2: First of all, thank you for having me.
Speaker 6: It's always a pleasure to be on one of my
Speaker 6: favorite podcasts, man, with two of the most authentic voices.
Speaker 6: You know, you family, absolutely two of the most authentic
Speaker 6: voices we have out here in media. And you know,
Speaker 6: I don't think y'all get enough credit because I could
Speaker 6: be wrong, but you know, salute everybody, all the athletes,
Speaker 6: you know, the former athletes that are doing podcasts and
Speaker 6: doing their YouTube and shows, their YouTube shows and stuff now,
Speaker 6: but all the smokers, the originators, ye young, I can't
Speaker 6: think of no, I can't think anybody that who was
Speaker 6: doing it.
Speaker 1: Prior to y'all, not the way we did it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean from the from the podcast and you know,
Speaker 6: you know how y'all would taking the visuals and putting
Speaker 6: them on YouTube. You know, the partnership with Showtime, all
Speaker 6: of that, all of that was like groundbreaking. And I
Speaker 6: think that you know, y'all showed, you know, the athletes
Speaker 6: that there is life after whatever you.
Speaker 2: Know spoiled is that they're playing.
Speaker 6: And you know, y'all just y'all just did that so successfully, man,
Speaker 6: because you know, everybody always feel like they had to
Speaker 6: run to the networks, you know, to have those voices,
Speaker 6: and now those voices on the networks getting trumped by
Speaker 6: what y'all doing. You know, it's always a pleasure to
Speaker 6: you know, be able to partner with y'all on anything.
Speaker 6: So you know, when when when I've had this book
Speaker 6: in print for about four years now too, you know,
Speaker 6: Black Privilege publishing with Simon and Houston, so just hot,
Speaker 6: just hot, just seeing I'm always gonna come to y'all
Speaker 6: and see what y'all want to do. And when I
Speaker 6: saw that y'all wanted to do a book, It's like, Yo,
Speaker 6: let's let's let's make that happen. And it's a no brainer, right,
Speaker 6: Like it's not one of those things that you even
Speaker 6: got to sell to people. It's like, yo, all to
Speaker 6: do a book. They like, let's figure it out.
Speaker 4: To be able to see you in the space, befriend you,
Speaker 4: and then be able to grow with you.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Obviously what you've done has motivated us and me in
Speaker 4: particular as far as ka I have this amazing show,
Speaker 4: you had this show and Breakfast Club. How do you
Speaker 4: branch out? How do you build out? We had a
Speaker 4: good show and all the smoke, but how do we
Speaker 4: branch out? You know, we've been able to build you know,
Speaker 4: all the smoke productions, you know, outside of leaving showtime
Speaker 4: and do some big partnerships with DraftKings and kind of
Speaker 4: continue to build out this space and build out our voices,
Speaker 4: which is important. Obviously our main focus right now is sports,
Speaker 4: but you know, educated enough to speak in other spaces,
Speaker 4: and you have your particular space that your expertise in,
Speaker 4: but an expert to speak in other spaces as well.
Speaker 4: So I think, you know, what you've done has obviously
Speaker 4: motivated us to think bigger than just show and you know,
Speaker 4: obviously partner with you shit four years ago a smoke
Speaker 4: a lot of way forgive me has really kind of
Speaker 4: motivated us to continue to go. But yeah, we have
Speaker 4: a new book coming out October eighth, A The Table
Speaker 4: book will go you know over our two hundred plus episodes,
Speaker 4: highlight some of our guests, some of our amazing conversations,
Speaker 4: stuff you've made forgot about or not seen the first
Speaker 4: time around. Man, So definitely looking forward to that dropping
Speaker 4: October eighth.
Speaker 1: You can pre order now. The link is in our
Speaker 1: bio Charlamage.
Speaker 4: You you got some good stuff coming up, just dropped
Speaker 4: the new book.
Speaker 2: Get Honest or Die line, why small talk sucks?
Speaker 5: Go get my boy book Man, and he got a
Speaker 5: nice little round table card game for the adults to
Speaker 5: start some questions.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it the.
Speaker 4: Thought behind your book, Charlemagne, and what else kind of
Speaker 4: comes with that, because I know you've got a new
Speaker 4: show on Comedy Central. You got a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: going on, So talk about what's going on in your
Speaker 4: ecosystem right now.
Speaker 6: Well, the book Man is just like you know, every
Speaker 6: day it's like a challenge, like to wake up and
Speaker 6: just keeping honest with yourself, Like and everybody always want
Speaker 6: to keep it real with everybody else, but yo, you're
Speaker 6: not really keeping it real with that with that.
Speaker 2: Person in the mirror.
Speaker 6: So like it's just a challenge to everybody to, like, yo,
Speaker 6: get honest or Die line. Like, we see people lying
Speaker 6: to themselves every day and then they wake up and
Speaker 6: then they project those lives and volunteer those lies to
Speaker 6: everybody else. And I think that's very dangerous, especially in
Speaker 6: the era were in right now where everybody got a platform,
Speaker 6: everybody got a microphone, and we don't need people out
Speaker 6: here just projecting to be us on the folks. So like,
Speaker 6: just my challenge to everybody, man, like, challenge yourself to
Speaker 6: be honest with yourself every single day. You do that,
Speaker 6: you know, it's easy to show up in the world
Speaker 6: and be real.
Speaker 5: I like that, man, because today, especially in social media,
Speaker 5: it's this thing now where people are creating just fake
Speaker 5: pages and just spewing out fake media, like completely false
Speaker 5: stuff because they know how people see stuff and they
Speaker 5: believe and they get the reposting, and one person get
Speaker 5: the reposting. Now people thinking it's truth, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. So it's it's very I like what he said.
Speaker 5: You got to start being real with yourself, man, because
Speaker 5: it's so much false stuff out that people believe anything
Speaker 5: they read.
Speaker 6: And the why small talk sucks part is just because man,
Speaker 6: I hate small talk literally and figuratively. Like I hate
Speaker 6: when you know, like you somewhere somebody just try to
Speaker 6: make meaningless chit chat with you, and it's just like
Speaker 6: you gotta tell you brother, like, hey, you know, I
Speaker 6: appreciate it, but just like, let's talk about something else.
Speaker 6: Let's actually talk about something that we're gonna talk and
Speaker 6: then I feel like you know, nowadays, people just be
Speaker 6: making all these micros macros.
Speaker 2: Man, it'd be like these small hues like.
Speaker 6: I saw, I saw, I saw when you came back
Speaker 6: on social media after your break, Jack, and you was like, man,
Speaker 6: y'all be on here talking about a bunch of nothing.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed my vacation away from social media.
Speaker 2: Man, That's that's how I'd be every day.
Speaker 6: Like Yo, we make these small issues into the biggest
Speaker 6: things in the world, so when the big things actually
Speaker 6: pop up, we don't even know how to talk about them.
Speaker 2: Or deal with them.
Speaker 4: Thanks, you show it, right, bro, Let's talk about I mean,
Speaker 4: the current state of the media because you know, as
Speaker 4: you mentioned that, you see machine driven and now it's
Speaker 4: individual and platform driven, and some of that has been
Speaker 4: a blessing. But we can all admit and you know,
Speaker 4: we're we don't put ourselves above anybody something. Motherfuckers don't
Speaker 4: deserve platforms to be saying the ship you're on here saying.
Speaker 4: So talk to the state of the media and how
Speaker 4: it's changed, but also at the same time stayed the same.
Speaker 6: Anybody can have a platform, anybody can say anything.
Speaker 2: You don't know what's true.
Speaker 6: You don't know what's what's not true, and and that
Speaker 6: within itself is dangerous because you know, they they've they've
Speaker 6: been saying for the longest that our people, you know,
Speaker 6: we perish from from a from a lack of knowledge.
Speaker 6: So it's like nowadays there's so much misinformation is being
Speaker 6: spewed out here, like what's real knowledge, what's real wisdom?
Speaker 6: Like what's real understanding? Like who who truly has it?
Speaker 6: Where do you get it from? But then on the
Speaker 6: flip side, you have so many people out here who
Speaker 6: you know, like like yourselves, who create your own platforms,
Speaker 6: who actually have something to say. So when you ask
Speaker 6: me what's what, what's what? Stayed the same? Authentic, authentic, authentic,
Speaker 6: authent authenticity.
Speaker 1: I never could get that word out bro me up today.
Speaker 6: Being authentic, being authentic will never will never go out
Speaker 6: of style.
Speaker 2: And I think people can sniff that out more than ever,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: I I think that now with all of this AI
Speaker 6: and you know, the deep fakes and the chat GPT,
Speaker 6: all of the stuff that you can just create, people
Speaker 6: are gonna have to turn back to just like regular
Speaker 6: humans that we trust, you know what I'm saying, Real
Speaker 6: people that actually they trust and they value their voices
Speaker 6: and that's something that's always been since the beginning of time.
Speaker 6: So even though everybody has a platform, I think it's
Speaker 6: gonna be just like anything else, the cream gonna continue
Speaker 6: to rise to the top.
Speaker 1: How with us being.
Speaker 4: The center of everything cool culture at current events, fashion
Speaker 4: the creator creators, do you ever see a day where
Speaker 4: our people are compensated for the influence they have.
Speaker 1: On culture and what needs to be done for that
Speaker 1: to happen.
Speaker 6: I don't think we'll ever be properly compensated for the
Speaker 6: influence that we have on culture. But I think that,
Speaker 6: you know, the more more of us, you know, do
Speaker 6: what we're all doing, you know, starting own production companies,
Speaker 6: you know, launching our own platforms, you know, we'll we'll
Speaker 6: we'll get we'll get compensated for for that. You know,
Speaker 6: we'll get compensated, you know, for you know, putting building
Speaker 6: things that you know can actually empower other people. I
Speaker 6: don't think we'll ever truly get compensated for for for
Speaker 6: for what we've already done, you know, cultural wise. And
Speaker 6: also I think that has to do with a lot
Speaker 6: of us still just having a consumer mindset, you know,
Speaker 6: like we so we're so happy just being the consumers,
Speaker 6: or we're so happy just you know, getting I guess
Speaker 6: credit for things, right like oh, that that was started
Speaker 6: by black people, or that was started by black people.
Speaker 2: I think we need more than a salute man like
Speaker 2: you know, we.
Speaker 6: Need we need real live equity, you know, we need
Speaker 6: real compensation for that. But I don't think we'll ever
Speaker 6: get it until we get out of that consumer mindset.
Speaker 6: We got to get out of that consumer mindset and
Speaker 6: like really start creating, you know, right now, right now,
Speaker 6: we're like the the curators of cool and we're like that,
Speaker 6: we're like the creators of it and then the cure
Speaker 6: cerators of it. And we can say what's cool and
Speaker 6: what's not cool, but we can't really direct, you know,
Speaker 6: who gets compensated for what. And I think that's the
Speaker 6: that's the biggest problem. But we just got to get
Speaker 6: out of that consumer mindset.
Speaker 5: And I've been guilty of it too, Like I think
Speaker 5: that for me, that's why I'm so loyal to my
Speaker 5: team and I love my team so much. I got
Speaker 5: a great mind and I got a hustler's mindset, but
Speaker 5: I didn't have an owner's mindset or business mindset. But
Speaker 5: being around the guys Madden and Brian and Guy and
Speaker 5: Julyn and the guys I'm around now, I'm learning from them,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Being the owner of these
Speaker 5: companies and stuff like that and being a part of this,
Speaker 5: I've learning more about how important ownership is in different
Speaker 5: spaces we can be in and where we belong by
Speaker 5: being around my team, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 5: you're saying, you're saying getting the right information. It's important
Speaker 5: to put yourself around the right people, around the people
Speaker 5: that's gonna help you grow, Around people that's better than you,
Speaker 5: that can teach you that that that's not around Just yes, man,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So what I've been blessed,
Speaker 5: you know, even having relationship with you, seeing what you
Speaker 5: build and being blessed to be around the team. I
Speaker 5: have to understand these things. Like I said, I didn't
Speaker 5: go to college. You know what I'm saying. I come
Speaker 5: from an.
Speaker 1: Upbringing where get it, how you live, figure it out,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So to be with a team like I have now,
Speaker 5: to see guys like you, Sean Mayne, it's important that
Speaker 5: we get the right information, because we can't succeed and
Speaker 5: reach those heights with the right information.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And that's why I'm not afraid to ask questions, man,
Speaker 6: And I'm never afraid to look stupid, Like if I
Speaker 6: don't know what something is, I'm gonna ask. You know,
Speaker 6: if I don't know how to put something together, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna ask. That's that's the only way that I learned
Speaker 6: because you know, growing up, we all saw you know,
Speaker 6: people that we look to that were doing those things right, like,
Speaker 6: you know, growing up for me, especially being you know,
Speaker 6: a black kid growing up in South Carolina, I looked
Speaker 6: to the Rappers. I look to the J Prince, I
Speaker 6: look to the Master Ps. I looked at what Jay
Speaker 6: Zeden was doing with Rockefeller. I looked at the Suave House.
Speaker 6: When I kept hearing that word independence, sell it out
Speaker 6: the trunk and have your own label, like I wanted
Speaker 6: to know, you know, what that was.
Speaker 2: And so I as I got older and you know,
Speaker 2: got into that.
Speaker 6: Space, I was just blessed to have you know, real
Speaker 6: people that would put their arm around me and show
Speaker 6: me like, nah, this is how you build this company, y'ad,
Speaker 6: and this is how you build that company. Out and
Speaker 6: this is how you build that company out and that's
Speaker 6: just been a blessing.
Speaker 1: Hip Hop twenty twenty four has been nuts.
Speaker 4: I think obviously last year the Diddy stuff at the
Speaker 4: end of the year kind of started the fire. Kat
Speaker 4: Williams kicked the door in on Shannon Shar's podcast, and
Speaker 4: the hip hop community has been going crazy ever since.
Speaker 4: Just quickly on Drake and Kendrick, what they had, what
Speaker 4: came of it, But really just more important, I love
Speaker 4: the sport of it. You know, Charlotte Mane, you came
Speaker 4: from where we came from, where you know, we grew
Speaker 4: up in hip hop was so instrumental in our upbringing
Speaker 4: and our culture and just feeling a little older, maybe
Speaker 4: this is the older side of me. I kind of
Speaker 4: felt like it hip hop is not on life support
Speaker 4: because there are some very talented artists out there, but
Speaker 4: it just didn't have the kick we had. And obviously
Speaker 4: two of the biggest artists that ever but of our
Speaker 4: generation in particular, you know, are going to blow for blow.
Speaker 4: What were your thoughts of the back and forth between
Speaker 4: Quinchin and Drake.
Speaker 1: It's way more commercial than it's ever been.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, with our question. I love I
Speaker 2: love the sport of it.
Speaker 6: Like you said, Matt, to me, it was like we
Speaker 6: never saw Kobe and Bron in the finals, but that
Speaker 6: was always that was always the match up everybody wanted
Speaker 6: to see, right, Like you remember when Gez had that.
Speaker 2: Song Kobe Lebron and Nike had all.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but we but we never saw it, and so
Speaker 6: it felt kind of like with this. You know, Drake
Speaker 6: and Kendrick have been throwing shots at each other for
Speaker 6: so long, but we never thought we would actually see
Speaker 6: them go go head up. So I love the sport
Speaker 6: of it. The only thing I disliked about it, man,
Speaker 6: I just I was like, damn they went to hell
Speaker 6: way like the stuff they put on each other man,
Speaker 6: Like calling somebody a pedophile, calling you know, Drake Kendrick,
Speaker 6: calling Drake a pedophile, Drake calling Kendrick a white beater, like,
Speaker 6: and it's some heavy accusations to be putting on somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah man, yeah man.
Speaker 6: But but other than that, I mean, I it was
Speaker 6: I thought it was fantastic for the sport.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fallout will be, if anything,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Think any of those I don't think alligation.
Speaker 2: Stuck stuck stuffed in him in that way.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, people might make jokes on social
Speaker 6: media and laugh and stuff like.
Speaker 2: That, but I don't think. I don't think any of
Speaker 2: those things will stick to him.
Speaker 6: But it's just dangerous to watch watch two men me
Speaker 6: too in each other.
Speaker 5: There's two men me to in each other like that.
Speaker 4: That's an interesting perspective, and I just think from a
Speaker 4: pure music standpoint, I hope it doesn't get to if
Speaker 4: you're a Drake fan, you can't fuck with Kendrick and
Speaker 4: vice versa. I think both these guys are amazing in
Speaker 4: their own respective ways, two.
Speaker 1: Of the greatest to ever do it.
Speaker 4: They went at each other, it got a little messy,
Speaker 4: but I think, you know, hopefully they'll both continue to
Speaker 4: just continue to elevate.
Speaker 2: I've always been more of a Kendrick fan.
Speaker 6: I've always said, I feel like Kendrick is the leader
Speaker 6: of the new School, you know, when it came to this,
Speaker 6: this last generation, I feel like it's a Fantastic four, right,
Speaker 6: It's Kendrick, is Cole, It's Drake, and it's Future, right, Like,
Speaker 6: that's the Fantastic Four.
Speaker 1: That generation.
Speaker 6: I throw, you know, you can throw the people in
Speaker 6: there like the Big Sean's and the Willets, the Rhapsodies
Speaker 6: like they were there, but that was the fantastic fault
Speaker 6: And I've always been more of a Kendrick fan anyway.
Speaker 6: I want to see Kendrick do a West Coast album, man,
Speaker 6: I gotta be album. Yeah, Man, I think when Kendrick
Speaker 6: hit people with that and not like Usye, we grew
Speaker 6: up off that because we you know, we were born
Speaker 6: in the nineteen hundred, so we came up in that
Speaker 6: night ere. We know that death Row sound and that
Speaker 6: vintage ice Cube and pot sound.
Speaker 2: We know what that is.
Speaker 6: I want to see Kendrick do a whole album that
Speaker 6: sounds like that, like with the Mustards and the battle
Speaker 6: Cats and Doctor Dre's and Dad.
Speaker 5: A lot of people got to understand too. It's a
Speaker 5: different era. Like back back when we was coming up.
Speaker 5: I don't think having people knowing that people wrote your music,
Speaker 5: it wouldn't survived back then. But now today, motherfuckers don't
Speaker 5: care about this generation. Don't care about it. Bro, This
Speaker 5: is the truth. They don't care about none of this
Speaker 5: stuff we cared about. It's coming up with in the
Speaker 5: hip hop. So it's a different era. So if, like
Speaker 5: Matt said, if people think feeling like they can't do
Speaker 5: this because this person said that none of these people
Speaker 5: know you.
Speaker 1: First of all, Okay, Drake don't know you, Kendrick, you
Speaker 1: don't know you.
Speaker 5: Drake nor Kendrick are gonna text you and say thanks
Speaker 5: for taking my side.
Speaker 1: So right, so just enjoy the music.
Speaker 4: Yeah, me took about just sit back, sit back and
Speaker 4: be a fan, you know what I mean. I didn't
Speaker 4: necessarily want to pick size. I wouldn't say that Kendrick won,
Speaker 4: but I got a lot of respect for Drake because
Speaker 4: that the motherfucker took on how many people, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? And it's it's hard out here for
Speaker 4: us light skinned motherfuckers to come from biracial backgrounds. You
Speaker 4: always gotta you gotta be sick with you, you gotta
Speaker 4: be slicking with your words, and you gotta be able
Speaker 4: to fight.
Speaker 1: You can't have if you gotta have one of those.
Speaker 6: Well, Matt, you gotta have, well you got hope, Matty. Hey, Hey,
Speaker 6: hold on, I gotta say this because nobody don't know
Speaker 6: Matt is not.
Speaker 5: Your normal boiration for motherfuckers. Okay, if you met Matt's
Speaker 5: daddy and then what Matt daddy was doing dropping him
Speaker 5: to school. You don't know why he's so goddamn different.
Speaker 5: You said, you said Matt got dark skin tendencies. Hey man, man,
Speaker 5: dad could played on Boys and Hood, South Central and.
Speaker 1: The New Jack City all that shit, Start Road.
Speaker 2: You can say what you want about Drake. Drake Drake
Speaker 2: is not back down.
Speaker 1: From a challenge. No hell, Now, you gotta respect it.
Speaker 1: Gotta respect it.
Speaker 6: You came at him, he got at me. Push your team,
Speaker 6: got push your team, Kanye, whoever it is all, you
Speaker 6: would have five different people just now for real, you know,
Speaker 6: like he held his own like I can't see it
Speaker 6: and act like I didn't enjoy I enjoyed all Drake music.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed Kendricks a little bit more.
Speaker 6: But I think that the best record to come out
Speaker 6: of that whole thing was that Drake Family Matters. I
Speaker 6: think Kendrick got the best song with not like that
Speaker 6: Family Matters is tough.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, creative. What do you think the future holds
Speaker 1: for streamers? Are artists?
Speaker 4: I mean obviously they are, you know, still getting the
Speaker 4: short end of the stick. Will there ever be a
Speaker 4: time where you know where we're screaming independence? More than ever,
Speaker 4: there's a blue that there's a there's a roadmap for it.
Speaker 4: Will there ever be a time where artists are true
Speaker 4: paid what they're worth for their art?
Speaker 6: The only way that's gonna happen in music is if
Speaker 6: they do it theyself. But you know, they know, they
Speaker 6: known that from the beginning. That's why it's so funny
Speaker 6: when people you know, sign these music you know, these
Speaker 6: deals with these record labels, and they still complaining about
Speaker 6: what these record labels are doing to them, like like
Speaker 6: nothing has changed. Is the beginning of time, and the
Speaker 6: blueprint to make real money off your music has been there.
Speaker 6: Like everybody y'all just named from the South showed you
Speaker 6: how to make money, you know, off off off your music,
Speaker 6: you know, cash money, the no limits to rap a lot.
Speaker 6: They showed you how to make money off your music independently.
Speaker 6: Three six Mafia. Three six Mafia had one of the
Speaker 6: best models come on many defendent wing and then they
Speaker 6: had a major label things, so they was went over
Speaker 6: at the same time, using the major label to continue
Speaker 6: to build their profile, then still putting the little whites
Speaker 6: and everybody out, you know, independently. And I always thought
Speaker 6: that was dope as far as I like, I like
Speaker 6: what the screaming is doing. One in the media like
Speaker 6: I like what cons and not I like what I
Speaker 6: like what those guys do because there's a uh, there's
Speaker 6: a fluidity that they have that even podcasts don't even have,
Speaker 6: because podcasts still record and you know they put out
Speaker 6: you know, they once to twice a week. But you know,
Speaker 6: if Drake want to give academics a record or some
Speaker 6: are are they want to kys and not to talk
Speaker 6: about something right there in that moment, them guys can
Speaker 6: just get on there stream and they they right at
Speaker 6: the people in minutes.
Speaker 4: Is that the few not to cut you off from?
Speaker 4: Is that obviously the future of someone like you. You know,
Speaker 4: obviously you've established yourself and you grind it in this
Speaker 4: space for a number of years. These young streamers have
Speaker 4: jumped in the space and captured this their their generation,
Speaker 4: uh you know, through through through streaming.
Speaker 1: Is that where all this all of this is headed.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that you have to kind of be
Speaker 6: there now. Like with Breakfast Club, we split up. We
Speaker 6: distribute Breakfast Club on like five or six different platforms,
Speaker 6: and we've been doing that forever. Now it's like, of
Speaker 6: course you get us on the radio, So on terrestrial radio,
Speaker 6: we get between six to eight million monthly listeners, and
Speaker 6: then we put it out as a daily podcast or
Speaker 6: the daily podcast that's like fifteen to twenty million downloads
Speaker 6: a month, and then we put it out on YouTube,
Speaker 6: and we put it out on all the social media platforms.
Speaker 6: Another thing that we just started doing, we've been going live,
Speaker 6: so like as we're in the studio and you're listening
Speaker 6: to us on the radio, we'll just go live on YouTube,
Speaker 6: live on Facebook, live on Instagram, all at the same time,
Speaker 6: and there's tens of thousands of people watching us, you know,
Speaker 6: over there now too. Because you know, you can't just
Speaker 6: build it. Back in the day they say, yo, if
Speaker 6: you build it, they will come. Now you got to
Speaker 6: build it and meet people where they are. Or it's like, yo,
Speaker 6: if you know that there's this audience online that's looking
Speaker 6: for this type of content, you know you got to
Speaker 6: give it to them in real time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the future, the future is now.
Speaker 6: As far as that, I think in a minute, you're
Speaker 6: gonna you're gonna start seeing like live podcasts, like you
Speaker 6: know'll y'all might all the smoke might say, look, this Tuesday,
Speaker 6: we're gonna go live and just do our showed via
Speaker 6: the Scream and didn't take that same audio and put
Speaker 6: it out on the RS Street is a podcast later.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's just that's just what you got to
Speaker 6: do nowadays. You got to meet people where they are.
Speaker 4: I'm over here taking those as you're talking your ship.
Speaker 4: So we're definitely doing everything you just said. Man, hey,
Speaker 4: real quick before we get you out of you. We
Speaker 4: appreciate your time. Big article just dropped in the New
Speaker 4: York Times with you and you, you know, saying you're
Speaker 4: not picking a side in this year's election.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, You've been very outspoken and have a very
Speaker 4: powerful voice, not only in our community but overall. I've
Speaker 4: definitely utilized my voice and platform for this last run.
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on just what we're headed towards
Speaker 4: this November come election time? And where do you kind
Speaker 4: of stand with it? Understanding that you are someone that
Speaker 4: people look too for information.
Speaker 5: And second part of that question, I'm receiving I was
Speaker 5: supposed to receive the lifetime achievment with the ward this week?
Speaker 5: Should I receive it lifetime achieving the warf move from
Speaker 5: the president.
Speaker 2: Hell, yeah, you deserve it.
Speaker 1: You earned that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been hearing ext emotion from a lot of
Speaker 5: people I respect.
Speaker 2: Nah, you deserve that.
Speaker 6: You earn that, Like you should absolutely go go collect that.
Speaker 6: And you know, if you get the opportunity while you're there,
Speaker 6: you know, to speak. Just always speak truth to power
Speaker 6: the way you always do, you know. I think as
Speaker 6: far as the election, man, I'm just I just feel
Speaker 6: like as a black person, as a brown person, you
Speaker 6: shouldn't be beholden to any political party. Like, you know,
Speaker 6: I don't know why we have this idle worship over Democrats.
Speaker 6: I don't know why black and brown people have this
Speaker 6: idle worship over Republicans.
Speaker 2: Like, at the end of the day, we should just
Speaker 2: be voting our interests.
Speaker 6: And you know, when you look around and you know,
Speaker 6: you see the condition that you know.
Speaker 2: Our communities are in, you just got to ask yourself.
Speaker 6: All these people doing everything that you know they possibly
Speaker 6: can be, you know, for us, And I get on
Speaker 6: these platforms and I say the same thing, I'm voting
Speaker 6: my interest this year. My interest this year is to
Speaker 6: simply protect democracy, you know. And then when I look
Speaker 6: at somebody like you know, former President Trump, like he's
Speaker 6: just a person who doesn't give a damn about democracy
Speaker 6: in any way shit perform like you know, he he
Speaker 6: literally said, you know, let's suspend the constitution to overthrow
Speaker 6: the results of an election. It's crazy to me that
Speaker 6: all of these so called patriots will get mad because
Speaker 6: the Colin Kaepernick will take a knee, all these other
Speaker 6: athletes will take knees. They'll get they'll get mad and
Speaker 6: call those folks unpatriotic. But a person who says let's
Speaker 6: suspend the constitution to overthrow the results of an election,
Speaker 6: the election was supposed to be the cornerstone of democracy.
Speaker 6: Voting the cornerstone of democracy. You want to suspend the
Speaker 6: constitution the overthrow the results of that. I don't see
Speaker 6: how anybody could want somebody like that, uh, you know,
Speaker 6: being the leader of the free world. And then you know,
Speaker 6: you can't even we can't even begin to talk enough
Speaker 6: about the attempted coop of this country that happened on January.
Speaker 6: So I don't like President Biden either, you know, I
Speaker 6: think President Biden is complete trash, you know, but I
Speaker 6: know that he's better than the alternatives, you know. And
Speaker 6: then then then there's third party candidates out there too.
Speaker 6: You got doctor Cornell West out there, you got you know,
Speaker 6: RFK Junior, Marianne Williams, and folks always say those individuals
Speaker 6: don't have a chance.
Speaker 2: Well that's why they don't have a chance.
Speaker 6: They don't have a chance because they conditioned us to
Speaker 6: make us believe that, you know, none of those people
Speaker 6: are viable options. So I'm never gonna tell nobody to
Speaker 6: stay home and vote in November. But I'm also going
Speaker 6: to tell you that as a black person man, you
Speaker 6: do not have to be beholden to any of these parties,
Speaker 6: you know, and when you do put these people in office,
Speaker 6: you got to stay on they ass to make sure
Speaker 6: they're showing up for us.
Speaker 4: I started with local, local, community, state, where you see
Speaker 4: the turnaround, you know, and eventually work your appetite up
Speaker 4: to you know, higher things. But you know, people want
Speaker 4: to see results, and they want to see them fast,
Speaker 4: and you see them the fastest if you get out
Speaker 4: there and vote in your communities, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that's where a lot.
Speaker 4: Of to start my appetite in this space, because this
Speaker 4: is a space we are never intended to have a
Speaker 4: footprint or voice. And and now when we come together.
Speaker 4: It's up to us what we want to do if
Speaker 4: we come together, you know what I mean. So obviously
Speaker 4: to educate yourself and understand that there's faults on both
Speaker 4: sides and who serves you know, the best purpose for
Speaker 4: not only us, but for our children and our children's
Speaker 4: children coming down the pipeline.
Speaker 1: So it's a whole lot of lot of shit going on.
Speaker 6: It's just a business decision at the end of the day.
Speaker 6: That's really what it is like. You know, they try
Speaker 6: to make it seem like, you know, especially when you
Speaker 6: I see I'm not even gonna say just liberals because
Speaker 6: everybody does it. It's like, yo, you want to I
Speaker 6: don't want to fall in love with any of these candidates.
Speaker 6: Like I'm literally voting because you know, there's there's certain
Speaker 6: interests I have.
Speaker 2: There's certain issues that I want to see addressed.
Speaker 6: You know, there might be certain policies that they lay
Speaker 6: on the table that I'll be like, Yo, that would
Speaker 6: be really dope if implement it.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm voting for. I'm not voting for no individuals.
Speaker 2: I'm voting for issues.
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Speaker 4: Man, we appreciate you, bro, We appreciate your love and
Speaker 4: always looking out for us, and we hope we're doing
Speaker 4: our part to help your ecosystem grow, because you're definitely
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Speaker 6: Definitely, man Like, I love everything that y'all doing, man,
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Speaker 6: and Paul Pisces and all of that. Like what y'all
Speaker 6: building out with all the smokers incredible. And I hope
Speaker 6: people paying attention. But by the time they pay attention,
Speaker 6: it'll be too late.
Speaker 1: Too late. You're not even tripping.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be too It got so much shit cooking.
Speaker 4: But again, charlat Mane, Bro, thank you for your time.
Speaker 4: We'll catch up with you soon. Bro, sir peace. Our
Speaker 4: next guest, my uc afe brother, my dog. Welcome to
Speaker 4: the to the show and the family. Our brother, Trevor, Reza,
Speaker 4: Trevor whatever.
Speaker 1: Bro, my dogs? What's up with it? How y'all doing? Man?
Speaker 1: I'm found. It's real. It looks real any where you're at, Man,
Speaker 1: where you at right now, where you hiding.
Speaker 7: Out at, Bro, sunny is tropical. I'm in turch right now.
Speaker 7: But yeah, enjoying this beautiful weather over here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know. Let's get to it.
Speaker 4: Taj was just in uh In in Indy. I saw
Speaker 4: their team out there. You said they took a few
Speaker 4: lumps out there. But what is the experience with Taj
Speaker 4: been like a top ten player in his class in
Speaker 4: the country, just got an offer from our alma mater
Speaker 4: u c LA as a dad and as someone who's
Speaker 4: trying to, you know, give him the game and show
Speaker 4: him the ropes.
Speaker 1: What has that experience been like with your son who's
Speaker 1: sixteen right, Yeah, he's sixteen.
Speaker 7: He just turned sixteen in March, so he's in his
Speaker 7: right gradies.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad.
Speaker 4: That's because not everybody can say that, Like the twins
Speaker 4: are fifteen as freshman and there'll be sixteen as a sophomore.
Speaker 4: I say, you're supposed to be not supposed to be
Speaker 4: seventeen as a freshman.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But for him and for me and our relationship,
Speaker 7: you know, it's taught me a lot. I learned a lot,
Speaker 7: especially about being somebody that played in the NBA, him
Speaker 7: wanting to you know, that being his dream, but me
Speaker 7: being dad at the same time, there's a little bit
Speaker 7: of areas that you got to work through in those
Speaker 7: situations because me as a player, I wanted to be
Speaker 7: perfect at everything I do, because you know, as far
Speaker 7: as like work, I was willing to put into work talented.
Speaker 7: I may not have been as talented as the best
Speaker 7: players or whatever, but I felt like, you know, there
Speaker 7: was opportunities where I could have been. But for me
Speaker 7: and his relationship, I want to push him to be
Speaker 7: the best that he could be at all given times.
Speaker 7: Like I always want him to go one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: I always want him to stay confident. But the father
Speaker 7: part of me wants him to be like a gentleman,
Speaker 7: you know, wants him to be able to be able to, like,
Speaker 7: you know, take care of everything for himself, guide himself
Speaker 7: and learn things you know, as man too. So having
Speaker 7: that balance and figuring out how to do that has
Speaker 7: been a little bit of a challenge. But you know,
Speaker 7: like we're going through life, we learned things together. So
Speaker 7: I'm excited about it and it's been, you know, an
Speaker 7: exciting time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love it too.
Speaker 7: And he just transferred to your alma mana right, Yeah,
Speaker 7: he just went to Westchester, Yes sir, yes, sir. Well,
Speaker 7: best of luck with that. So Trev always someone been
Speaker 7: my homie for a while. A man a few words,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Unless you're really around Trev and Trevor fuck with you,
Speaker 4: you know, go here Trev's voice, Trevor is really you
Speaker 4: won't know.
Speaker 1: He burned out, Yeah, but always always, always very well,
Speaker 1: always very well spoken.
Speaker 4: And I'm really glad he hit me up a while
Speaker 4: ago and kind of wanted to start dabbling in this
Speaker 4: media space. And I was really excited because I feel like,
Speaker 4: you know, shit, eighteen years night, how many years you
Speaker 4: play in League twenty eighteen? Yeah, eighteen years and knows
Speaker 4: the game, you know, as you just mentioned, not the superstar,
Speaker 4: but had the attributes of stars for sure. So what
Speaker 4: is your goal in this media space as we kind
Speaker 4: of try to help you figure out what is next
Speaker 4: for you in this man To be honest with you, read,
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm a chameleon. I could do pretty
Speaker 4: much everything. I've always felt that way about everything. It's
Speaker 4: just being in the space or seeing what I like
Speaker 4: that really to me, it doesn't matter. I just want
Speaker 4: to figure out how I can give back or help
Speaker 4: in like a team center situation. Like I've always been
Speaker 4: really good in that space. So figuring out my lane
Speaker 4: and right here with people that I trust, the people
Speaker 4: that I fuck with, you know, it definitely brings more
Speaker 4: of my personality out.
Speaker 5: I love all the work that Mad and everybody doing
Speaker 5: it on our team, bro, because it showed it shows us.
Speaker 1: For so long they put us in the box. You
Speaker 1: just played basketball.
Speaker 5: You can all you can do is play basketball, and
Speaker 5: then you gotta retired, You can't coach, you gotta do
Speaker 5: something else like it. For so long, that was that
Speaker 5: was the way they put basketball players. But nowadays we
Speaker 5: can do whatever we want. See what I'm talking about
Speaker 5: in any space we want. It's just whatever like you said,
Speaker 5: whatever you feel like, you're comfortable and you can be
Speaker 5: your best at We can do.
Speaker 1: That ship for sure.
Speaker 4: Trail one thing we're gonna need you to work on
Speaker 4: since you're coming over to this side, has helped Jack
Speaker 4: grow his his ship.
Speaker 1: Ain't got no hangtime in the back. I got, I got,
Speaker 1: I got, I got a little bit. Now, hold on, man,
Speaker 1: don't do that like that, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, I
Speaker 1: don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. My
Speaker 1: ship growing now, Jack, that'ship. That that'sip that ships been
Speaker 1: that long for eight months right there. But it didn't
Speaker 1: start like that in your head. Bro.
Speaker 7: You got only only let people in your hair that's
Speaker 7: close to your brain.
Speaker 1: That got love for you, bro, that's it. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm pretty good with that. I got I got
Speaker 5: one chick here that breaks my hair all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, okay, Well that's where you're still. We're gonna
Speaker 4: figure it out, Jack. I want to say the whole
Speaker 4: ship like Trails, and we're gonna come back. We're gonna
Speaker 4: come back to this ship.
Speaker 5: My ship start going to I'm gonaet I'm gonna get
Speaker 5: trap whole regiment, and I don't want to hear.
Speaker 4: Ship from none of y'all. At one point he wanted
Speaker 4: to do my ship. Now you want to do trail ship.
Speaker 4: We go see what works. You gotta be a chance
Speaker 4: to trail of them. One little bullshit.
Speaker 1: I didn't even try your shit that you just talked
Speaker 1: about it. I really didn't try it. I knew that
Speaker 1: shit was gonna work.
Speaker 4: All right, man, Well, a great weekend. The hoops, I mean,
Speaker 4: the Eastern and Western Conference finals are set. Man Okac
Speaker 4: falls to Luca and Kyrie. And one role player who's
Speaker 4: really been making a name for himself in this playoffs,
Speaker 4: PJ Washington, who averaged seventeen points and eight rebounds in
Speaker 4: this series and shot forty seven percent from the three
Speaker 4: point line.
Speaker 1: Let's backtrack a little bit and talk about this series.
Speaker 4: I think one thing that I said coming into the
Speaker 4: playoffs is it wasn't that I didn't believe in Oka,
Speaker 4: see in Minnesota. I just had to see it because
Speaker 4: we all know, as vets fourteen plus years each that
Speaker 4: the light tra a lot brighter, that the attention to
Speaker 4: detail each possession it means that much more. And okay,
Speaker 4: see you know fell short, you know, tough foul call
Speaker 4: at the end of the game by SGA, which was
Speaker 4: obviously a foul, but they fell short. Let's talk a
Speaker 4: little bit about the series first, and you know, Jack,
Speaker 4: I'll start with you.
Speaker 1: I just look at the defensive side. Both teams were scoring,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I was look at the teams who made the plays
Speaker 5: down the stretch, you know what I'm saying, and made
Speaker 5: the hustle plays. And and for me, Dallas what did
Speaker 5: the best was the best at scrambling. Both teams was
Speaker 5: able to for their stars, was able to get easy
Speaker 5: shots and get to the basket and make plays for
Speaker 5: other people. But they did better scrambling out contesting shots
Speaker 5: and doing.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that. The end, Yeah, the file, that was
Speaker 1: a that was an uncostly filed. You know, I hate that.
Speaker 5: Well, you see, I had to go out like that.
Speaker 5: But for the most point, I think Thatas was the
Speaker 5: better defensive team. They scrambled better, and then you know,
Speaker 5: I think they fought more to win the game.
Speaker 7: I think when you get into the playoffs and you know,
Speaker 7: and you got to figure out ways to win games.
Speaker 1: Defenses where it's going to bring it out of you
Speaker 1: all the time. So whoever has the most stretch.
Speaker 7: Uh, the longest stretch of better defensive play is going
Speaker 7: to win the series. Now, history has shown us, like
Speaker 7: you said, as veterans that younger teams usually the haven't
Speaker 7: had enough experience to figure out how to like muster
Speaker 7: rug wins or grind wins out and kind of, you know,
Speaker 7: in a situation that we've just seen with that that
Speaker 7: series right there, that kind of played into into you know,
Speaker 7: history right there. So yeah, closing now games, exactly figuring
Speaker 7: out how to close our games as a young team
Speaker 7: is a hard thing to doing the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Jack, I want to say it was you.
Speaker 4: You had Dallas is one of your dark horses, didn't
Speaker 4: you kind of coming towards the end of the season.
Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, Yeah, I remember you said that.
Speaker 4: I mean, we know, you know obviously your relationship with Kyrie,
Speaker 4: but you kind of felt that they were coming together
Speaker 4: at the right time and obviously one of the top
Speaker 4: Dubos in the game, and you know, they both had
Speaker 4: their moments in this past series.
Speaker 5: And no hate, no hate, because you know, every time
Speaker 5: we talk about basketball thing, it's hate. But they said
Speaker 5: they killed some of Tim hardaway minutes. He's not He's
Speaker 5: not the best defenders. You know, he don't even try
Speaker 5: sometimes on defensive and having PJ. Washington, that shit was.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean they revamped their team. I think they went
Speaker 4: out and got the Lively and the other big kid,
Speaker 4: you know, Josh Green.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know. PJ.
Speaker 4: Washington was a late addition which was ended up being
Speaker 4: huge for them. So for for them, everything kind of
Speaker 4: came this season, you know what I mean. Obviously, the
Speaker 4: core pieces were Kyrie and Luca, and the whole question
Speaker 4: coming into this season was that can they coexist? And
Speaker 4: I think they've done that and I think that we've
Speaker 4: seen this is the freest we've seen Kyrie play basketball
Speaker 4: in a long time. He's at peace on and off
Speaker 4: the court, and we know what kind of duty is
Speaker 4: on the court when he's at peace. So I think
Speaker 4: it's been a beautiful thing. And these motherfuckers got hot
Speaker 4: at the right time. Switching conferences, the Knicks crumble down
Speaker 4: the stretch. Injuries played a huge part in that, but
Speaker 4: I also think the PACER's pace and and and and
Speaker 4: their others and Shack likes to call their role players
Speaker 4: played really well this series. We'll get into that, but
Speaker 4: thoughts on the Knicks trev as they kind of stand
Speaker 4: right now. We've talked on the show in the past
Speaker 4: about I mean to have four or five or six
Speaker 4: key guys. I think obviously random went out before the playoffs,
Speaker 4: but I think they lost four or five guys during
Speaker 4: the playoffs. And we all know how big Tibbs is
Speaker 4: on minutes, although Bruns is a hand and you can't
Speaker 4: really necessarily say that's wear and tear.
Speaker 1: That's just kind of bad luck.
Speaker 4: But I've always wondered, like the way he plays his
Speaker 4: guys thirty nine forty plus minutes the entire season and
Speaker 4: plays them more in the playoffs, does that, you.
Speaker 1: Know, affect their ability to go deep in the playoffs.
Speaker 7: That's just the nature of the game. The more time
Speaker 7: you're on the court, the more you have or you're
Speaker 7: subjected to injury. And that's just the way it is.
Speaker 7: And the way TIBs coach, he coaches hard as a
Speaker 7: mother plager, so he gonna get everything he can up
Speaker 7: out of you in and when you play this game,
Speaker 7: you're gonna give something. And you know, you hope that
Speaker 7: the injuries aren't severe or like career threatening, but in
Speaker 7: this game we've all played, you're going to have injuries,
Speaker 7: but the NIXT the way that they are honestly there,
Speaker 7: there should only be one piece that I think that
Speaker 7: they should move.
Speaker 1: Everybody else.
Speaker 7: That they have, especially the people that was hurt, I
Speaker 7: think they fit into that style of play. They fit
Speaker 7: into tid style, and to be honest with you, the
Speaker 7: culture of New York. I feel like those players fit
Speaker 7: into just the way that they play. But one thing,
Speaker 7: one thing I would say though about like the NBA
Speaker 7: as a whole, and like like the people behind or
Speaker 7: outside of the court, the gms and the people that
Speaker 7: put these teams that's here right now together. There are
Speaker 7: mid season trades and the things that they've done to.
Speaker 1: Have these teams where they are right now. They did
Speaker 1: a really good job too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone kind of hear things that Randall may be
Speaker 4: the guy that might be the odd guy looking in
Speaker 4: this offseason because, like they said, the pieces they have
Speaker 4: outside of him, from the Bogdanovic's and and the Ogs
Speaker 4: and these other guys that got hurt but definitely fit
Speaker 4: this system.
Speaker 1: Well. So you see, are you someone of the degrees
Speaker 1: that that that Randall may be on this way out one?
Speaker 5: I definitely agree with that round the need to be
Speaker 5: gone because look at the success we had him a
Speaker 5: couple of things with the Knicks. I don't I don't
Speaker 5: think he's that guy that that that batman to to Brunton,
Speaker 5: I mean robbing the Brunson. I think I don't think
Speaker 5: he's that guy. More like a guy like a PG
Speaker 5: guy that can create rand super h hold on, don't
Speaker 5: just fly by that. You said Paul George would be
Speaker 5: a perfect fit you feel like in New York. Yeah,
Speaker 5: because they need a wing that can get buckets and
Speaker 5: that can get to it, that can guard of the wings.
Speaker 5: They have all small, small guards. You know, Randa is
Speaker 5: really one dimensional. If you stop him from going left,
Speaker 5: he's gonna run over. Y'all turn it over. These are
Speaker 5: just the fact y'all got to watch your own game.
Speaker 5: We don't be hating on y'all. We be watching y'all
Speaker 5: play well.
Speaker 4: I definitely too want to want to touch on with
Speaker 4: Indian accompass. Now what the Knicks, didn't you know shout
Speaker 4: out most boys? I mean they may we talk about
Speaker 4: gems making, you know, to be able to pick up
Speaker 4: Pascal uh during the season. Tyres Halliburton's really first taste
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. I think their X factor through out
Speaker 4: these first two rounds has been uh uh.
Speaker 1: A little little little little like TJ. Welcome to hisself.
Speaker 5: You and as basketball players, we used to hate little
Speaker 5: guys like that team get into.
Speaker 4: A spots picking up full court, you know, not conceding
Speaker 4: the switch. He's fighting over screens and and just making
Speaker 4: it made it tough. I mean, brunts is the motherfucker.
Speaker 4: But TJ McConnell made him work, made him work hard,
Speaker 4: so you know, uh it was it was some payback
Speaker 4: for what what what's the boy's name that goes under
Speaker 4: the legs on the fast break that was in New York?
Speaker 4: Uh uh top of topping, topping, I can playing with
Speaker 4: it edged you know, Miles Turner, you know, did his
Speaker 4: part of the Niece Smith Nate Smith. Is that how
Speaker 4: you say his last name but your name this morning?
Speaker 4: But to your point, Jack Carl I did a great
Speaker 4: job of I think wearing them out with their depth
Speaker 4: and and and his ability to go into the bench
Speaker 4: and and trust the bench and and get production from
Speaker 4: the bench. So uh uphill battle obviously versus the Celtics,
Speaker 4: but definitely want to give Indiana their their.
Speaker 1: Their respect because although the were beat up. That was
Speaker 1: a tough Knicks team. That was Boston had been playing
Speaker 1: that well either though, So.
Speaker 4: Jack, this is gonna be their first I feel like
Speaker 4: this is gonna be their first real test. And that's
Speaker 4: not you know, with all due respect to the teams
Speaker 4: they played, you know, a Cleveland team, it wasn't that good.
Speaker 4: And then who was the first team they played in
Speaker 4: the in the first round. I'm burnt out. I've been
Speaker 4: traveling so much. I forgot Miami. Miami. Yeah, I beat
Speaker 4: up Miami team with no Jimmy Butler. So Boston is
Speaker 4: definitely gonna get tested. You know, I see them coming
Speaker 4: out of the Eastern Conference. But you know, Indiana is
Speaker 4: definitely gonna have something to say. Uh Now, the team
Speaker 4: that I think surprised the entire league and maybe not everybody.
Speaker 1: You know, Trev, Trev, you called that surprised me. Three
Speaker 1: months so you were on Shannon Sharp Show saying saying,
Speaker 1: what tell us what you said?
Speaker 7: I told the world, Well, I told Instagram or whoever
Speaker 7: like Anthony Edwards was the nigga and nobody, you know,
Speaker 7: everybody he's a good player or whatever. But I've just
Speaker 7: seen it and just by how he moves. And it's
Speaker 7: not even really like the just the game. It's how
Speaker 7: he encourages his teammates. It's how he leads by example,
Speaker 7: it's how he takes coaching, is how he does everything
Speaker 7: that he does and still like is the player that
Speaker 7: he is. That's just a test to like how hungry
Speaker 7: he is and how much he wanted He not gonna
Speaker 7: back down from shit. He wants the action, and like
Speaker 7: when you looking at players that's like stars or superstars,
Speaker 7: and you want like and like you know, like there's
Speaker 7: gonna be a tough time that you're going to have
Speaker 7: to go through in that stretch. Those are the things
Speaker 7: that you look for in the player that you want
Speaker 7: to ride with or you want to be in that
Speaker 7: foxhold with. And he got all the attributes of it,
Speaker 7: and he moved like and he moved like Mike. So
Speaker 7: it's not too many months like that, like you see
Speaker 7: that straight away. Yeah, before we get to you, I
Speaker 7: just again to peeedback off what TA said. I want
Speaker 7: to give Minnesota's front office some credit because you got
Speaker 7: to think they took a lot of heat when they
Speaker 7: traded all that year for Rudy Gobert, all that traded
Speaker 7: all them picks and players, and they took a lot
Speaker 7: of heat, but they stood the test with Gobert and
Speaker 7: congratulates to him. He wins his fourth Defensive Player of
Speaker 7: the Year, putting him in rare air six Man of
Speaker 7: the Year nas reed someone I was really high and
Speaker 7: I think it was one of the top free agents
Speaker 7: last year that no one was really talking about. And
Speaker 7: he ended up going back to Minnesota and he was
Speaker 7: a big, big game changer in Game seven, Cat getting
Speaker 7: healthy and finally buying him because as we've all recalled,
Speaker 7: there was a while where Cat was kind of reluctant
Speaker 7: to hand this team off to end. Remember he was
Speaker 7: low key hating on I'm talking about what he eats
Speaker 7: and did all that bullshit that didn't really matter.
Speaker 4: But I think they've kind of built their relationship on
Speaker 4: and off the court, which you know, kind of allows
Speaker 4: Kat to play that second role in Cat. I'm gona
Speaker 4: fuck with you. Cat could play basketball, bro, say what
Speaker 4: you one about the man? Cat could play basketball. And
Speaker 4: then you got one of the most underrated players in
Speaker 4: the game, one of my old point guards, Mike Conley,
Speaker 4: who just goes below you know, does whatever it takes.
Speaker 4: And you know, keeps this team together. They got the
Speaker 4: young boy on the on the wing who's a monster
Speaker 4: on the defensive end. Help me with his name. McDaniels
Speaker 4: should be First Team All Defense. So really, again, hats
Speaker 4: off to the Minnesota front office for building this team.
Speaker 4: And as we said earlier, it wasn't that with me personally,
Speaker 4: It wasn't that I didn't believe in the young teams.
Speaker 4: I had to see it, and I think what Minnesota
Speaker 4: showed us, not only throughout the series coming to get
Speaker 4: the first two games and you know, kind of celebrating
Speaker 4: and taking their foot off the gas, getting their ass
Speaker 4: kicked in their home, but then being able to bounce back,
Speaker 4: you know, being a young team, being able to take
Speaker 4: a punch and be able to counter punch back and
Speaker 4: come back in and down twenty on the defending champs
Speaker 4: floor in Game seven and you guys make that run. Jack,
Speaker 4: what do you think about Minnesota as we stand right
Speaker 4: now with them heading into the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 5: Well, then again, you know, it's a lot of a
Speaker 5: lot of things are just common sense. It's number one
Speaker 5: defensive league. Talk to them, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: to come to come back from down twenty. They got
Speaker 5: it in them. They've been doing it all year long.
Speaker 5: And one thing about it, the one thing about it
Speaker 5: that you can tell by this team, they try rust
Speaker 5: each other on defense. When somebody doubling, you don't even
Speaker 5: have to say nothing. They got the old term you
Speaker 5: got to be on the string, because that has to
Speaker 5: be on the string, you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And they trust each other, bro, and it shows, and
Speaker 5: like I said on my Instagram, it's just so refreshed.
Speaker 5: You know, you got to give the whole team props,
Speaker 5: and you gotta give the mcdams and the rest of
Speaker 5: these guys because when those guys come off the bench,
Speaker 5: they come with that same energy on defense. But to
Speaker 5: have your best player every night challenging the best player
Speaker 5: on their team and being able to you know, we
Speaker 5: guys that played on both fans, didn't We didn't just
Speaker 5: play on one of the court. It's just refreshing to
Speaker 5: see a guy like Anthony Edwards, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: come out there being that people saying he de facing
Speaker 5: the league or being the best player right now, he's
Speaker 5: definitely the best offensive play on their team, but he's
Speaker 5: becoming the best defender as well.
Speaker 1: So I just and and that transfers to the team.
Speaker 5: You look at nas Reed naz REI stepped up and
Speaker 5: took the challenge to go out yo, because then when
Speaker 5: they made the comeback, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 5: all those big tip ends he got in. So that's
Speaker 5: another young person that come up, just like Anthony had
Speaker 5: the same fine him. So you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: it gets contagious to the team, dog and I just
Speaker 5: love to see it because we guys that took pride
Speaker 5: in that, and it's showing people wondering how they win
Speaker 5: and how they come back with twin. It's effort, it's
Speaker 5: being on the same page as caring about stopping. It's trying,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Some people don't even try it, Dogg,
Speaker 5: and I love to see that. Both of these teams
Speaker 5: at Dallas and Minnesota are showing that you got to
Speaker 5: be scrappy, especially this time of year, to try to
Speaker 5: win these big games.
Speaker 4: Crav what it is your thought on the league is
Speaker 4: such a copycat league. When Golden State had their run,
Speaker 4: everyone built their teams and you were on a Houston
Speaker 4: team that was right there on beating them a couple
Speaker 4: of injuries away. Everyone built their teams to beat Golden State.
Speaker 4: Golden State has gotten older and their window has shut.
Speaker 4: Denver stepped on the scene, and teams kind of started
Speaker 4: resorting back to and let's look at Minnesota. Three service
Speaker 4: of Bill Biggs, since the player of the year, and
Speaker 4: then two other motherfuckers that could play defense on Jokich.
Speaker 4: And as Jack said, that GM built the Nuggets, so
Speaker 4: they built this team to beat the Nuggets.
Speaker 1: And this is a newer, upgraded version.
Speaker 4: And we haven't talked about it in a while, but Jack,
Speaker 4: we spoke on this a while ago about the key
Speaker 4: role players that Denver had lost last year and Jeff
Speaker 4: Green and Bruce Brown and those guys. Minnesota has a
Speaker 4: lot of great role players, a lot of great young players,
Speaker 4: but were built to beat Denver and beat Denver, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So we're looking at now to
Speaker 4: see I mean, obviously, this matchup in the Western Finals
Speaker 4: is going to be huge. You know, two young budding stars,
Speaker 4: you know, arguably two of them, you know, not arguably
Speaker 4: two of the faces of the league that you know
Speaker 4: once Bron and KD and Steph ad Dunne. These two guys,
Speaker 4: big faces are going to be in the front of
Speaker 4: the NBA. I mean, and you look at what and
Speaker 4: is twenty two and a half, Lucas twenty five. These
Speaker 4: guys are gonna be here for a while. So let's
Speaker 4: look at this next one cool thing, you know, treving Matt.
Speaker 5: Think about this though, If they got Jeff Green, they
Speaker 5: go Jeff Green, Jokic, a G Carl Woll, Pope and Murray,
Speaker 5: they bigger. Yeah, they can rebound better. They got our
Speaker 5: rebound And I'm just saying like, that's why they missed.
Speaker 1: Those type of guys. Yeah, they missed those type of guys.
Speaker 1: That's how he was able to beat the Lakers so easy,
Speaker 1: they were so versatile.
Speaker 4: Was a Swiss Army knife. But also to someone I love,
Speaker 4: someone I love, Michael Porter Jr. Could get hottest with
Speaker 4: the hottest. If he's not all well he's not. He
Speaker 4: ain't doing nothing, he ain't doing nothing giving myself out there,
Speaker 4: and yeah he had his moments out there. But again, yeah,
Speaker 4: I definitely think they missed the role players. But you know,
Speaker 4: we got to think back to the first time to
Speaker 4: see two young superstars twenty five and under, you know,
Speaker 4: meet off in the in the in the conference finals,
Speaker 4: you look back at one with you know, Iverson and
Speaker 4: Ray Allen.
Speaker 1: You take it further back, Bird versus Moses Malone and
Speaker 1: eighty one.
Speaker 4: You know, Buck's sons, young Jiannis, young Booker in the finals,
Speaker 4: Magic and Bird. But again, I really think you know,
Speaker 4: we've seen the torch past this summer, phoenix is up
Speaker 4: in the air. We don't know if KD will get
Speaker 4: another ring. We don't know if Bron will get another ring,
Speaker 4: and we don't know Stephan will get another ring. But
Speaker 4: we do know that either Tatum u yok It or
Speaker 4: excuse me, Tatum, Luca, uh ant man or or or
Speaker 4: uh Alberton, j Haliburton Haliburton. No, I'm just talking about
Speaker 4: who's left these new young team superstars is gonna get
Speaker 4: their first ring. And I think it's kind of the
Speaker 4: beginning of this new era of basketball. So definitely looking
Speaker 4: forward to this.
Speaker 5: This is Tatum time, This is Tatum chance. If you
Speaker 5: don't get if you don't get it now, they're not
Speaker 5: gonna get it.
Speaker 1: This is his time to really Tatum's twenty six.
Speaker 4: I mean, you think you know four superstars under twenty
Speaker 4: six with Tatum being twenty six, Luca being twenty five,
Speaker 4: and then uh you know the other two being in
Speaker 4: their early early twenties. So it's definitely gonna be a
Speaker 4: fun conference finals and uh ship, we're gonna see.
Speaker 1: Hey for real.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 7: The Minnesota team reminds me of the team that now
Speaker 7: I was on in La, the Lakers team that won
Speaker 7: just with the side, just just the pieces that they got,
Speaker 7: Like who's.
Speaker 1: On that team again? Find them?
Speaker 7: Mm hmmm, pale myself, odum Beanfish. You know, I we
Speaker 7: had a lot of players, Luke was on that team.
Speaker 7: We had a lot of like players that just knew
Speaker 7: how to play in their role and play in their
Speaker 7: position and give everything, and people that actually like playing
Speaker 7: together and trust trusted each other, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: Like that's that was big because Jack was Yeah, Jack
Speaker 7: was talking about how Minnesota their best player is scoring
Speaker 7: all the points or scoring a lot of the points
Speaker 7: and going to sit down on their best player on
Speaker 7: the other team. That just gives your team, like more
Speaker 7: like that gives your team or the role players or
Speaker 7: the players that's playing the role more confidence just to
Speaker 7: go out there and kill just as hard as you are.
Speaker 1: So there's no excuse.
Speaker 7: So that's why I feel like the team that I
Speaker 7: like is that Minnesota team, because that's what it reminds
Speaker 7: me of.
Speaker 4: Who will be the biggest X factors in this Minnesota
Speaker 4: Dallas series? Will be PJ Washington, Tim Hardaway, and Lively?
Speaker 4: Or would it be nas Reed, Mike Conley and McDaniels Minnesota.
Speaker 5: I'm going I'm going nas Reed on Minison, I'm going
Speaker 5: NOAs Reed on Minnesota, and I'm going none of them
Speaker 5: on Dallas. Now, now, I got Kyrie gonna be Kyrie?
Speaker 5: Has he got he gotta go crazy every game he
Speaker 5: can't take too because Kyrie will take a game of
Speaker 5: two off.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: We were just going through the motions, passing the ball,
Speaker 5: making plays, being real passive, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But I guess in closing games. He undefeated in closing
Speaker 5: games because he turned up. He got to come in
Speaker 5: every game of the series with that attitude. So I
Speaker 5: got I got Kyrie for Dallas, and I got a
Speaker 5: Nasrie Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Trevor who what's some of these matchups?
Speaker 4: I mean, let's think about who's who do you see
Speaker 4: from Minnesota that's gonna take shots at at Luka and
Speaker 4: Kyrie on the defensive end.
Speaker 7: Man, I just feel like McDaniels should It would be
Speaker 7: he's going to be like the biggest distraction because he
Speaker 7: has the length, he has the toughness, the physicality, has
Speaker 7: everything that's needed to impose his will on the defensive
Speaker 7: end on those offensive players.
Speaker 1: He reminds me, and you I'm telling to give you
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 4: Mc McDaniels drives me of a young t A when
Speaker 4: t A was in l A and he was going
Speaker 4: in the motherfucking Orlando Magic's huddle during the game and
Speaker 4: cussing the players out and having them scared, Like that's
Speaker 4: what kind of time.
Speaker 1: What kind of time daniels be on too?
Speaker 7: And I see it, like, you know, I haven't been
Speaker 7: to any of their games this year, but I you know,
Speaker 7: I watch it on the TV and I kind of
Speaker 7: just see like like the things that he does and
Speaker 7: how he affects the game, and it's like it's more
Speaker 7: than what the stats sort of box square would show,
Speaker 7: and he can.
Speaker 1: Make he can make it difficult for look at too long.
Speaker 7: Will Yeah, yeah, yeah, Diddy mean, I definitely, yeah, I
Speaker 7: definitely see him having that type of effect. And is
Speaker 7: on the game for sure.
Speaker 4: We talk about Luca and that's a hell of a matchup.
Speaker 4: I think McDaniel's gonna get times on Kyrie. But Jack,
Speaker 4: who do you do you feel like there's anyone on
Speaker 4: Minnesota that could, you know, do anything with Kyrie?
Speaker 5: Man, it don't even matter. Anthon already called him out
Speaker 5: for the World head right right after the game. He said,
Speaker 5: and I'm going Kyrie on tn T and I'm going Kyrie.
Speaker 5: So's it's already understood. Mc McDaniel's is going Luca and
Speaker 5: say coming guard Kyrie.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. On the flip side,
Speaker 1: who's gonna try to guard man? Nobody? They don't have no.
Speaker 7: I don't think nobody got a chance in the hell
Speaker 7: over there in the guard here.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to gonna try.
Speaker 5: PJ h and Deck Jones gonna try. You know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. They try to make it difficult, but I
Speaker 5: just don't see it. And then one thing about it.
Speaker 5: For some reason, this is an insider for people who's
Speaker 5: never played in the NBA. Some Marina's rems just feel Lord.
Speaker 5: They are the same hype, but some of them just
Speaker 5: feel Lord and man, you just jump high as hell
Speaker 5: on the rims. Dallas is one of them arenas. So
Speaker 5: watch your head in Dallas. Yeah, watch your head t
Speaker 5: a hot take. Who will we see in the finals
Speaker 5: this year?
Speaker 7: Minnesota and fuck Minnesota, and I'm gonna go with I'm
Speaker 7: gonna go with I'm gonna go with Indy.
Speaker 1: Minnesota, Indie Manus and we go.
Speaker 4: We're obviously you gonna be back, so we're gonna see
Speaker 4: what if we get there, and then we want your predation, Jack.
Speaker 1: Who do you have in the finals? Man?
Speaker 5: You know I love the ship out of Kyrie Man,
Speaker 5: so I ain't no way I'm going against them, but
Speaker 5: I'm going against him this time. Minnesota and Man and
Speaker 5: a Man and new Boy is the only one right now.
Speaker 5: Dad is playing well too. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I gotta pick one. So I'm going Minnesota and I'm
Speaker 5: going Boston.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: I think I think I think this time off to
Speaker 5: sit back and reflect on how they played the first
Speaker 5: two rounds and get Porzinger's a little healthy. He's still
Speaker 5: gonna miss the first two games, but I think this
Speaker 5: time is health Boston. I think they gonna come my
Speaker 5: hungry and understand this is their window. You know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, They got to take advantage of it. So
Speaker 5: I see Minnesota in Boston, I think the person don't.
Speaker 5: I don't say to lose, because obviously it's a win win.
Speaker 5: But Jason Taintum has been in the conference finals. I
Speaker 5: want to say five out of his six years in Boston,
Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken, the four out of his five.
Speaker 5: This is a big run right here for Jason Tatum
Speaker 5: because he's getting looked over right now, and he shouldn't be,
Speaker 5: but he is. He's being looked over right now, and
Speaker 5: I know he knows that. I know he feels it.
Speaker 4: So this is gonna be a big opportunity again to
Speaker 4: you know, run through Miami in the first round, get
Speaker 4: Cleveland in the second round. I don't really feel like
Speaker 4: they've really been testing and and I really feel like
Speaker 4: Pacers are one of those teams playing their best basketball
Speaker 4: right now, and they're all playing really good basketball right now.
Speaker 4: Boston is gonna have to really be ready travel. I'm
Speaker 4: not even mad at that pick. I can't agree with you,
Speaker 4: but I'm not mad at it because they're playing really
Speaker 4: good and everyone's playing that type of basketball right now.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I got Boston coming out of the East
Speaker 4: and I got Minnesota. Unbelievable. I got Minnesota coming out
Speaker 4: the West. Man, So we'll definitely have to see. I
Speaker 4: can't wait, bag Like, stay right here.
Speaker 1: I'm a whole home.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna leave you all to me.
Speaker 1: I gotta go and stay right here. I got you.
Speaker 4: This is the sixth consecutive season that the reigning champion
Speaker 4: has not been able to make it out of the
Speaker 4: second round. So it's been a while since we've had
Speaker 4: a back What was the last time we had a
Speaker 4: back to back? Was it the Golden State?
Speaker 1: Right, Golden State? Yep, Golden State, and then before that
Speaker 1: it was the Lakers. I'm not mistaken. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been a while, but it's it's you know, the landscape
Speaker 1: is different.
Speaker 4: You know, we went from big threes to big twos
Speaker 4: to now a little bit more more you know, bounce
Speaker 4: of the league, and you know there's less superstars on
Speaker 4: one team and there's more kind of parody in the league.
Speaker 4: So definitely looking forward to this next run. Like I said,
Speaker 4: I feel like it's a copycat league. I think everyone
Speaker 4: the past two years is trying to build a team
Speaker 4: to beat Denver and Minnesota was able to do that.
Speaker 4: So it's now Minnesota the staple of what this league
Speaker 4: is going to turn into as far as going back
Speaker 4: to some traditional bigs, but traditional bigs they can stretch.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not talking about obviously Gobert, but I'm
Speaker 4: talking about nas Reed and Kat who can play inside out.
Speaker 4: So it'll be definitely interesting to see. I'm really excited
Speaker 4: about these conference finals and you're don't have to just
Speaker 4: fire up and sit back and watch and see what
Speaker 4: the fun happens.
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