1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Ron and Anan. I think there's a lot of ways 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: to do it right. I just think some ways are 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: more right than others. The Car Doctor, you know, I 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: hope you've got tenacity, young man, and you've got some 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: gumption because you're gonna pull the dashboard out to do this. 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of Ron and Anian the 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. Since this is where car owners the world 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up the 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: phone and call in. The garage drawers are open, but 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: I am here to take your call at eight five 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: five and now he running. Hey, it's time to start 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: your engines. Eight five five five six zero nine zero 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: zero running. The Car Doctor at your service. Pick up 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: the phone, give us a call. Let's talk about your 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: car problem, whatever it is. We've got some great things 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: going on. This hour will be giving away a Wixed 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: I cast car. We've been talking about it a little 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: bit today, but where we begin going to be giving 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: way a Wicks die cast giveaway. It is a thirty 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: nine Ford Coop die cast car Tony wanted at last hour. 22 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: I thought it might help them get dates tonight, but 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: I said no, no, it's got to go to one 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: of the listeners. So Tony and Tom are the judges today, 25 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: so you can call in and it's up to them. 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: They will be giving that away this hour for sure. 27 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: And also I am here, like I said, to take 28 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: your calls at zero podcasting at Car Doctor Show dot com, 29 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: Tune in my Heart iTunes also their click subscribe, do 30 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: the thing you know what to do. And let's talk 31 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: about your car and let's let's get down into it. 32 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you first about talking more 33 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: effectively to your mechanic, because I think that's a problem 34 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: for great many of you, and you know it's an issue. 35 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: It's easier for me in the shop because when I 36 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: stand at the counter and I talk to people, I 37 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: can tell when their eyes are glazing over. I've kind 38 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: of gone over the line. And you know it's too technical, 39 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: so I'm trying going to keep this one simple. I 40 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: had two vehicles this week, a two thousand ten four 41 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: f one fifty truck and a jeep wrangler. Both of 42 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: them had rather unique, well not so much unique, but 43 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: pretty classic examples of what can go wrong on how 44 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: to diagnose you know, you gotta understand. When I approach 45 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: a diagnosis, everybody says, Ron, how do you diagnose so 46 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: many things? And you know, how do you? Frankly, and 47 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: they say, how do you do it? So? Well? It's 48 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: it's not that I'm good at it. I'm consistent. I 49 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: try to do the same things every time. I tweak 50 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: it a little bit depending upon what I'm working on 51 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: and what the situation is. But you know, I still 52 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: do the same eight or nine or ten steps. I 53 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: still look at all data. I'll still look at identifics. 54 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: I'll still look at Mitchell, I'll still look at I 55 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: A t N. I still look at all my research 56 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: and my sources. You know, I probably spend thirty to 57 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: forty five minutes of each diagnostic hour or that first 58 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: diagnostic hour research. You know, duplicate? Can I duplicate the problem? 59 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: Strange things? What do I observe? What do I see 60 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: in the vehicle? Can I create the problem? Or is 61 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: it an intermittent ugly word? Can I you know, can 62 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: I find any information on it? And I try not 63 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: to dig too deep, just what's out there. I just 64 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: want to get a sense of maybe where to look 65 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: if it's a hardcore problem. But something that I don't 66 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: see a lot of shops doing yet is they're not 67 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: they're not scanning. They're looking at the car and they're going, hey, 68 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: the wipers don't work on this jeep. You know, Big 69 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: Bob down the street had a problem with one of 70 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: those about two years ago, and it was the wipermotor. 71 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: So they must all need wipermotors. Let's put a wipermoter 72 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: in it. Or you know Fred Down and my cousin 73 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: Fred Down in North Carolina had a problem with one 74 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: of those, and it was the multi function switch. And 75 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: all those multi function switches go bad. Let's put a 76 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: switch in it. That's not diagnosing, that's throwing parts. And 77 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: the point becomes, how do you diagnose today? Well, and 78 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, yeah, it's it's it's with 79 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: a vault meter and duplicating the condition and and looking 80 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: at wiring diagrams and so forth. But I still think 81 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: now more than ever, all good diagnosis is at some 82 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: point steps one through five. Somewhere in those first five 83 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: moves is with a scan tool. And I think that's 84 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: what you've got to start to listen for, what is 85 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: your mechanics saying to you, well, Mrs Smith, I you 86 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: know I diagnosed your air conditioning problem because that was 87 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: the problem with the other vehicle. It had an air 88 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: air conditioning problem. You know, somewhere along the way, you 89 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: want to hear somebody say, well, I took out a 90 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: scan tool. There are no fault codes or as in 91 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: the case of this, here's a car that wasn't blowing 92 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: cold air. It was cool air on the right, warmer 93 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: air on the left. And there are documented cases where 94 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: a low system charge low refrigerant can cause a vehicle 95 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: to do that today for reasons regarding evaporator size and 96 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: how big the evaporator a piece under the dashboard is 97 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: nobody's eyes are glossing over, are they? And there are 98 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: cases where it's electrical. Got to start with a scantl diagnosis. 99 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: In the case of the four D F one fifty, 100 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: it produced two fold codes of B ten eight one 101 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: and six. Oh god, he's shouting numbers again. No, they 102 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: all mean something. The ten E one was a problem 103 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: with the blend door actuator or the motor that moves 104 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: the left side cold control, and the ten six was 105 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: a problem with what they call a central air door motor, 106 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: which is a device that controls air door position, which 107 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: affects temperature control. Now, in either case, the dashboard has 108 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: to come out. Oh boy. So there's some further detailed 109 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: diagnosis that's required for that that will ensure is it 110 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: is it wiring? Is it? Is it component failure? Is 111 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: it a stuck to war? So there are some steps 112 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: to go and we didn't finish it yet. So I 113 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: can't tell you what fixed that vehicle. My suspicion is 114 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna be like everybody else and say, my 115 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: suspicion is it's a blend or actual wator. But I'm 116 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: basing that on the fact that I can change it, 117 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: but it doesn't go full sweep, which is what I 118 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: read on a scan tool. Say scan tool comes back 119 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: into that, and that's part of the diagnosis. In the 120 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: case of the jeep, it was a wiper motor. But 121 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: here's the interesting part. The wiper motor produced two fold 122 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: codes at twenty three oh four and twenty three oh 123 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: five problems with the park switch. You know, when you 124 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: put the wipers in park, when you go to shut 125 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: them off, they park. Well, it was a problem with 126 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: the park switch. First it reported that the parks which 127 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: was stuck in the high position. Then it reported that 128 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: the parks which was stuck in a low position. How 129 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: do you attack it? I went through a wiring diagram. 130 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: I sat down and I looked for signals because there's 131 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: also a module involved here, totally integrated power module or 132 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: tip them as we call it. And I had to 133 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: verify that the tip of them was Okay. See everything's 134 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: module driven now too. It's not just componentry long and 135 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: the short of it was and the point of all this, 136 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: when you go into a repair shop, you've got to 137 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: hope that you know, since two thousand five, two thousand 138 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: six model year, you've got to hope that they're saying 139 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: that if it's if it's not a check engine light issue, 140 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: that they're saying to you, Hey, I pulled out a 141 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: scan tool and I scanned it for codes. I think 142 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: a repair shop that doesn't do that in this day 143 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: and age. I won't say they're doing it wrong, but 144 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: they're not necessarily doing it right. And that the time 145 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,239 Speaker 1: is now. I used to say the time is coming 146 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: five years ago, but the time is now. Where part 147 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: of every diagnosis, part of a service, Okay, And this 148 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: is what I really want to stress. You go in 149 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: for a thirty thousand mile or a sixty thousand mile 150 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: or a ninety thousand mile service, some major service interval, 151 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: I think the repair shop has to scan that vehicle 152 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: for fault codes. Listen, other than you know, what if 153 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: it was winter, okay? What if it was winter in 154 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: the case of the Ford truck and they weren't using 155 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: the air conditioning and the heats working. Okay, because the 156 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: heat would have worked in that vehicle, it just didn't 157 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: have great air conditioning, and you can't you went in 158 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: for service and four months later, five months later, there 159 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: wasn't there was a problem with blend or actuators or 160 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: any some such thing. Or you're taking it out on 161 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: the road and you're traveling from Minnesota in the winter 162 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: down to Florida and family vacation. You get the Florida 163 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: and you find out the air conditioning doesn't work. I 164 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: think that a good repair shop. It's it's you know, 165 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: it's fifteen twenty minutes of time in most cases to 166 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: do a system scan and look at all fault codes 167 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: in the vehicle. Gotta remember, not all fold codes turn 168 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: on dashlights. And that's the point here that in the 169 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: case of these this jeep in this Ford, there were 170 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: no dashlights on for those problems. They were symptom component 171 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: related and those were the failures. You've got to start 172 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: doing more scanning. It's just very, very important as a 173 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: part of the process in order to diagnose the car, 174 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: because had you not, I would have gone off in 175 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: a wrong direction. Scanning a car for non check engine 176 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: lights is now part of the automotive landscape, at least 177 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: it is in my shop. It should be with your 178 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: mechanic to eight zero nine zero. Let's pull over and 179 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: take a pause, and then we'll kick the garage doors 180 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: wide open this hour and run full throttle. I'm on 181 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: anating the Car Doctor coming back right after this. Hey, 182 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: welcome back. We'ren't in name of the Car Doctor. Thanks 183 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: for sticking around this hour zero nine zero zero. Get 184 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: out the Car Doctor Show dot com podcasts there, tune 185 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: in I heart iTunes, click subscribe, you know the drill. 186 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: Let's get over the phones. Let's go over and talk 187 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: to George and New Gloucester, OH three Chevy Silverado and 188 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: some misfire problems. George, Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. 189 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: How can I help well, I had the same issue 190 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: last fall, and uh it would come and go and 191 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: h I did. I got a pro scan tool and 192 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: it came up with a number of choices on the misfire. 193 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: And anyway, one day I talked to my wife. She said, 194 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: you checked the filters and I said no. So I 195 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: changed the gas filter and I believe now it was coincidence. 196 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: The misfire went away, and uh it came back last week. 197 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: So I said, well, I'll do the same thing. So 198 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: I changed the gas filter, but there was no change. Um. 199 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: The problem codes listed uh were so great. I was 200 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: trying to look for a way to narrow it down. 201 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: Let me let me, let me ask you. Let me 202 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: ask you this, Georgia. If you if you clear the 203 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: fault codes, you're saying multiple codes come back all at once. No, 204 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 1: just that one code P three hundred. Okay, so you've 205 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: got so you're working on a P zero three D here. Yes, 206 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: does the engine run? Well, no, it's got a miss 207 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: to it, right, it will. It will start up and 208 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: I probably seconds to a minute us all and then 209 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: you can hear it start skipping. Okay. Does your scan 210 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: tool show data stream? Uh, you'll have to tell me. 211 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: You know the scan tool better than I do. Um, 212 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: I didn't get to that, okay, Because basically what you 213 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: want to do is you want to look to see 214 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: hopefully your scan tool will show data stream the thirty 215 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: one eleven I I'm trying to remember, it's been so long. 216 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: But basically, you want to go into data stream and 217 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: see if it has any misfired data. You know, you 218 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: want to look to see which cylinders are missing, because 219 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: the fact that you've got the fact that you've got 220 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: to miss is a good thing in a way, because 221 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: at least we know what cylinders to pay attention to, 222 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: so so you know, until you can tell me what 223 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: cylinders are misfiring. Rather than give you specific instructions, I 224 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: want to give you some general thoughts, if that's okay, 225 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: all right. An engine can miss for multiple reasons, all right, 226 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 1: And when it says misfire, it doesn't necessarily mean ignition. 227 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: You know, we're all we're all creatures of habit. Okay. Uh, 228 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: you know we all know that. You know, this is 229 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: what went bad on my brother in law's cars. All 230 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: change those same three parts and that will fix mine. Uh, 231 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, and that doesn't that doesn't always work. That's like, 232 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: you know what I've learned is um one of the 233 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: things I've learned is as I've gotten older and a 234 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: little bigger, I don't fit under dashboards as easily as 235 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: I once did, you know, And that's just a sign 236 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: of being an older mechanic. You just kind of learned that. Listen. 237 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: So that being said, if it's got a physical miss 238 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: or a skip, as you say, you know, it could 239 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: be ignition, it could be fuel, it could be mechanical. 240 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: I I generally don't think it's mechanical from your description, 241 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: because mechanical misses don't really come and go. I've seen 242 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: it in rare cases with valve springs and some crazy 243 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: things that I've seen there, But generally it's it's it's 244 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: not an intermittent fault that comes and goes. So that 245 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: being said, you know, our focus now has to be 246 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: on either fuel or ignition, all right. And you know, 247 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: if it's if it's cylinder six, for example, and you 248 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: know what I'm probably gonna do is pull the plug 249 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: on six. Yeah, just for giggles, I might I might 250 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: stick a compression gauge in the hole and pop compression 251 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: on the on the truck. All the way around? How 252 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: many miles are on this? Uh, it's still young. Um, 253 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, but i'd i'd still i'd want to look 254 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: to see, you know, were's compression on all eight? It 255 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: couldn't hurt. Sometimes it's a little hard to get to. 256 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: Maybe I won't. Maybe I won't hurt myself trying to 257 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: do it that way. Maybe I will. Um, But you know, 258 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: what does the plug look like? Is the plug tan? 259 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: Is the ug white? Is the plug black? You know, 260 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: showing me I'm looking at cylinder temperature, I'm looking in 261 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: indication of that, and that'll tell me a lot about 262 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: that whole. You know. Is this a uh? This should 263 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: be coils mounted on the valve cover short wires going 264 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: down to the plug. Yeah, yeah, you know, do I 265 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: want to move the coil from six over to one, 266 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: or you know, and move the plug from six to 267 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: five and start moving things around and see which way 268 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: does the misfire go. If the misfire stays with the 269 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: cylinder back to six, then maybe I've got an injector issue. Okay, 270 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: maybe maybe I've got something mechanical. But it's just you know, 271 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: you want to try to isolate and narrow down working 272 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: with what you have. You don't have a lot of tools, 273 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: so you know, we wanna, you know, try and nip 274 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: it in the bud that way. Now, just to show 275 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: you an example of how misfires P zero three hundred 276 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: is a headache for all mechanics. I've I've seen grown 277 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: mechanics get really upset over P zero three hundred because 278 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: it's a prob says it's a step by step um. 279 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: You know, I have seen serpentine belt tensioners, you know, 280 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: the sirup belt on the front of the engine. I've 281 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: seen a weak serpentine belt create a P zero three 282 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: hundred because well, and I don't think it's in your 283 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: case because the engine is physically running rough. But you know, 284 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: on an intermittent P zero three hundred, sure, you go 285 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: out there, you put your foot through the headlight, you 286 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: stand on and hard the engine goes up in rpm 287 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: and that belt all of a sudden starts to that 288 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: tension or isn't as strong as it once wasn't it? 289 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: It winds up and releases it takes the tension off 290 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: that surp belt. What do you think the cranks gonna 291 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: do with five thousand rpm? If all of a sudden 292 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: it's not dragging the weight of the A C compressor, 293 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: the power or the water pump and the power steering 294 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: at the same time. Right, all of a sudden, that 295 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: crank is gonna it's gonna flare or have a variation 296 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: in RPM, which is what a misfire is is determined 297 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: by in the computer, it sees that variation in crank 298 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: speed and says, oh, something's going on here with George's engine. 299 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: Let me turn on the check engine lane. I don't 300 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: think I'm just trying to show you the variables that. 301 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that's your case. I think you get 302 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: some scan tool data up, you start to look at 303 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: a misfire, you're gonna see a hard failure. You'll know 304 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: which cylinder to go after. Okay, all right, sir. Now 305 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: I have a question on a scan tool. Okay. Uh 306 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: I work on family times of diagnosed and so forth, 307 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: from an oh three oh three Toyota and Silverado to 308 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: a sixteen escape Okay, And what I was looking for 309 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: I've heard you advertise I think the launch tool for 310 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: around Okay. It wouldn't bother me to spend the money 311 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: to get a good scan tool if you think it 312 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: would be beneficial. You know, it's not that I don't 313 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: think you should. What I would do if I were 314 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: if I were looking for a scan too one, I 315 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: wasn't in the business anymore. I would be looking around 316 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: to see what's it. First of all, I take a 317 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: look on eBay, all right, because from my seat here, 318 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: all the scan tools I own today I'm probably gonna 319 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: throw out in the next three years. And that's that's 320 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: just sad, uh, you know, And I'm gonna have to 321 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: do that because of technology. But because of that, shops 322 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: like me, they're gonna be getting rid of scan tools 323 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: guys like you on eBay can buy. So if there 324 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: are shops out there, you know, getting rid of older 325 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: scan tools that were once you know, the three and 326 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: the four and the five thousand dollar tools, and maybe 327 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: they're selling them for a thousand, fifteen hundred bucks. It's 328 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: older technology, But what do you care. You know, if 329 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: it works on your car, you don't need it to 330 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: go forward into a nineteen twenty or twenty one model 331 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: your vehicle. So there's there's nothing wrong with that. As 332 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: far as the Launch, I like the Launch X four 333 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: thirty one pro. I use it all the time. And 334 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: actually we never advertise it. You just hear me talk 335 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: about it. Um when I when I tell when I 336 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: tell you guys about the Launch, I'm just telling it 337 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: to you because I actually use it. Um. I think 338 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: it's a great tool. Um. I would look at Launch. 339 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: If I can find an older snap On, I would 340 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: do that, And UM, you know, I might even try 341 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: to find myself an OTC Genesis, but I think they're 342 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: getting older now and harder to find parts for, so 343 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: i'd probably stay away from it. Yeah, I think you're right, George. 344 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: I think Launch is probably where I would be in 345 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: your price point, and UM, that's probably not a bad idea. 346 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: I'm on an aiding the Car Doctor, George. I appreciate 347 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: the call. I'll be back right after this. Oh boy, 348 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: oh boy, oh boy, it's my turn to start speaking. 349 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: Eight zero nine zero zero. Tom Ray just told me 350 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: about the calls coming up. This is gonna be a 351 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: great segment. Let's get into it. I'm running any in 352 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor and see what's going on here. Tim 353 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: in Flint, Michigan. Tim, Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. 354 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: How are you big fan? Gee? You you've kind of 355 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: got some headaches here. Oh, what you got an O 356 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: seven in Pala and O five Sierra and an OH 357 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: Silverado and you've got a big question, is it? Why 358 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: did you buy American? Not only kid? I'm I'm almost 359 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: at that point, but that's a different time. Yeah. Hey, 360 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: first of all, can I put my name in for 361 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: the wig scar? I'm very interested in that. Um Tom's 362 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: giving me. He's wavering, so it depends on how this 363 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: conversation goes. So let's let's see how that works out. Okay, 364 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: what I have UH and old seven in Pala about 365 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: a hundred and three on it, OH five czero which 366 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: steps on truck A D thirty and O eight UH 367 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: Silverado about a hundred and thirty, and they're all I 368 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: maintain them. I'm I'm pretty particular on things and keep 369 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: them up. Wife calls me so, and we worked my 370 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: chickenen like comes on, Okay, I'll check it out. And 371 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: I checked it out and the first thing you think 372 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: of his gas cap. I put a new gas cap 373 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: on it and the chicken engine light went off, So 374 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: we're good, I'm thinking. A week later, she calls him again, 375 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: check engine lights back on. Okay, I was plugged in 376 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: this weekend Okay, stepson calls me. At half hour later, 377 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: the chicken engine lights on. You gotta be kidding me, 378 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: and look at me and guess what on the way 379 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: home from where my chickens light comes out of my truck. Now, 380 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: all I can go back to is we go to 381 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: get the same gas station. There's three on the corner 382 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: where I live, but I choose the one that's not 383 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,719 Speaker 1: not the lowest price, but the cleanest. I like it 384 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: because I feel they keeps the gas station clean and 385 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: all the surroundings clean. Maybe they're more, you know, respectable 386 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: company as far as getting good gas and whatnot. So 387 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: you're like me, let me make a prediction. You probably 388 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: go not only to the same gas station. I bet 389 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: you pull up to the same pump. Yes, I found 390 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: my brother from another mother. Look at this, I'm missing relative. Yeah, 391 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: you think like I do. Go ahead, Tim, Well, I 392 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: guess I'm reading and looking into things. I'm gonna start 393 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: with the palee. I got my hands on that, and 394 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: um uh clean the mass airflow sensor is, I guess 395 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: would be the next step. I mean, I want to 396 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: have it plugged in. Well, yeah, let's you know what, 397 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: what codes do we have? On these cars that that 398 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: that's I don't know yet. Okay, So let me ask 399 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: you this question. Anytime in the past five years, did 400 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: you ever have a check engine light come on on 401 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: a car? Yes, look back at the geoprism and I 402 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: had it plugged in and he said it was a 403 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: misfire and he reraased it and went my way and 404 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: I read a problem again with it. Right. Uh so 405 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: I guess that was I'm assuming gas are water a 406 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: little bit in the fuel. Well, But and my point is, 407 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: you know, if we're gonna start to repair cars based 408 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: on the maybe's and the what ifs, you know what 409 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, dude, you gotta you gotta, you 410 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,239 Speaker 1: gotta scan. You know you're you're you're at the end 411 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: of the diagnosis. You haven't even started yet, right, Um, 412 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: you gotta feel the pain a little bit. And I 413 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: guess the big thing is I'm realizing all the cars 414 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: and miles and whatnot. But the same day three my driveway, 415 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: he'd like to come on. Well, I can tell you 416 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: what that means. It's it's it's not your weekend to 417 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: play the Michigan lottery, all right, because you would just 418 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: be to be wasting your money. However, okay, it is 419 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: your weekend. Because Tom just gave me the thumbs up, 420 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: we are going to give you the Wiks die cast 421 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: car because we feel you know we we there you go, 422 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: happy birthday, you know what, and maybe that'll change your look. 423 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: But I will give you this too. You've got my 424 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: email ron at Card Doctor show dot com. If you're 425 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: stuck during the week, when you finally scan these cars 426 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: and you figure out what these fault codes are, you 427 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: send me. You send me those code reports and I'll 428 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: give you a direction. If not your your your duty 429 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,959 Speaker 1: is to call us back next week and tell us 430 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: what the codes were, and then we'll give you a 431 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: direction on how to fix them. How's that alight? I 432 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: can use them on Facebook, right right, use the email 433 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: right on Facebook or yeah, I think it's I think up. 434 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: There is Ron at Car Doctor Show dot com. And 435 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: you know, don't be surprised. I will answer that. I 436 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: will try to answer it. You might get an email 437 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: reply at three in the morning because I've been known 438 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: to sit up at night and three emails from the 439 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: listeners around the world. But uh, you know, that's just 440 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: just trying to help people. Man, that's all what it's about. 441 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: So but we'll do that. Stand the line. Tom wants 442 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: to get your information, and um, you know we'll get that. 443 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: Weeks didcast thirty nine Ford coming out to you and 444 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: enjoy it and uh, happy birthday. Let's go and talk 445 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: to David Missouri two thousand, Monte Carlo. David, how can 446 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: I help you? Look trying? We got We got as 447 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: much time as you need or until the end of 448 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: the hour. What's going on? Okay? Well, I got a 449 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: right like to go out and buy a car every 450 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: time the key igness goes bad or flat tire. I 451 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: got a hold that guardful of cars now, but I 452 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: do have the last one that went uh was a 453 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: two thousand seven Uh not at just out in Monte Carlo. 454 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: Trying to keep brack on them. But anyway, we were 455 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: driving down the highway about sixty five and we had 456 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: passed a car and we had just gotten this car 457 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: fixed about two weeks earlier with the intake uh gasket 458 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: that blew out. Okay, anyway, he cleaned it out and 459 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: he said that draw a smoke a little bit because 460 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: of the water in it. And I thought, oh boy, 461 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: I really got to wear here and uh so anyway, 462 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: we grow it for about two weeks. And then when 463 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: I was tasting this car, it made a funny sound. 464 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: It founded like kind of a pop, and uh, I 465 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: was right next to the car was passing, so I 466 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: managed to get in front of it and get off 467 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: the highway, and she said she heard a little kind 468 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: of rattled tinkle thing when I accelerated to get around 469 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: the car, and then it kind of pop and then uh, 470 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 1: anybody pullard over in It cost nine to get back 471 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: home pilfe, and I thought, well, I'm not gonna let 472 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: this thing. We're in my day, so I want to 473 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: call you and say I've got to get it fixed, 474 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: at least get two or three hundred dollars out of 475 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: the car, but sell it. So let me ask you this. 476 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: The car died on the road. It's towed back home. 477 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: As anybody looked at it, yet, yeah, I ad a 478 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: mchannic when they said they can't get it started right, 479 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: I said, look, you might try putting gas in it, 480 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: you know, because he cranked it over, well it did current. 481 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: It tried to start and in the quick start it 482 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't run. So he cret at a shop. I guess 483 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: they looked at a little bit h three hundred dollars 484 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: to look at it, and uh, probably just push it 485 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: in and push it out. And he said he tried 486 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: to start and put gas in it and all this stuff, 487 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: and uh, he said, I was for a few minutes, 488 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: but he didn't know what was wrong with it and 489 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: he couldn't figure it out and barked it behind the 490 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: shop and there sets there's there's so much wrong with 491 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: this question. I almost we may need the rest of 492 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: this hour. So you know, dude, you paid three hundred dollars. 493 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: And I'm not picking on Missouri, but you know, listen, 494 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: I work in North Jersey. North Jersey is like Beverly Hills. 495 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: We have the most expensive labor rates in the country. 496 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: I think. For for three dars, what's you know, it's 497 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: three we probably would have had the card not only dyingno, 498 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: but probably halfway to being fixed. I can't well I 499 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: shouldn't say that, but holy cow, you know we don't try. 500 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: We don't. Yeah, Ronnie got me seven hundred dollars for 501 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: the intake, okay, and you when I moved back, and 502 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: he just looked at it and said he could get 503 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: started with nuntry until I got thousand dollars in that car, 504 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: and I should have a motor in it by that time. 505 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you something, David. You ever 506 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: worked on a lawnmowar? Yeah, okay, so you know when 507 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: the lawnmower didn't start? How did you diagnose it? Well, 508 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: I know what I thought, and I said, I need 509 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: to take this to lawn the car doctor and having 510 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: put it, you know, check the computer out and find 511 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: out whether it could be maybe the ignition. Uh, you know, 512 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: there's something wrong with the initialve's got gass. Uh you know, 513 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: I run through the well. And here's my point. But 514 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: here's my point. Diagnosis is all beginning the beginning. So 515 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: here's a car that runs for a few minutes and dies. 516 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: First thing we're gonna do is, let's screw fuel pressure 517 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: gauge on it. Does the car have fuel? Does the 518 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: car have fuel pressure? You know, here's a classic example 519 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: from description. It sounds like this guy is trying to 520 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: figure out what's wrong and in the and in the 521 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: process because he can't right away, he's not gonna stop 522 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: and look to see what's right. So here's a case 523 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: where I want to know what's right. I want to 524 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 1: know I've got good fuel pressure. I want to I 525 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: want to do a fuel pump sample and volume test 526 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: to see that there's clean fuel in the tank and 527 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: it puts. It fills a Snapple bottle, which is about 528 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: a pint in thirty seconds. The Snapple people love me. 529 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: I've been talking about their bottles for twenty six years 530 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: on radio. So once I do that, once I've got 531 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: good fuel pressure, good volume and and a clean fuel 532 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: sample out of the car done, I move on to 533 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: something else. Then I want to know what do I 534 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: have spark? For less than fifty dollars, I can go 535 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: down to the local O'Reilly ooto parts and buy a 536 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: spark tester, hook it up to a plug wire and 537 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: doesn't have spark? Does it continue to make spark? Yes? No? Good? Bad? Next? 538 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: And then I want to go and take a look 539 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: at uh, you know, can I listen through the in 540 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: of a screw driver tap into an injector? I think 541 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: I can still get to an injector fairly easy on 542 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: a two thousand Monty Carlo. To listen to it. Do 543 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: I hear the injector going click click, click, click click. 544 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: I just diagnosed two thirds of the car, and I 545 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: did that in three minutes on radio. You know, and 546 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying that, you know, you first have to have 547 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: an i Q, you know, probably something like that. You know, 548 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: I know that they're just David. I I understand completely 549 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: why my industry has such a bad reputation. And I 550 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: and I understand why the shop is two and a 551 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: half three weeks backed up all the time. So here's 552 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: the deal, all right, Um, those three things are important. 553 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: I would check them. I get a scan tool, plugging 554 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: a scan tool. Does the scan tool communicate with the 555 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: engine controller? That's step one? If it does, that tells 556 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: me the engine controllers awake. Step two? Can I read 557 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: any data on it? Can I see cranking rpm? Can 558 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: I see injector pulse? With? What am I missing? What 559 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: I was trying to make the point before was with 560 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: regard to the working on the lawnmower. Is you know, 561 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: when you work on a lawnmower, you look for spark, 562 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: you look for fuel, you look for mechanical you know, integrity. 563 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: It's the same thing with an engine, except now you 564 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: gotta add the electrical side of it and computers. Get 565 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: those things done. Give me a call back and we'll 566 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: take it from there. And if you need more help, 567 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: send me an email round at Car Doctors Show dot com. Dude, 568 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: you gotta find another mechanic. That guy's bad, something wrong 569 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: there that doesn't make any sense. Tell him, I said, 570 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: put the wrench down and step away from the car 571 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: and he should give you your money back. Five zero 572 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: nine zero zero The Car Doctors coming back right after this. 573 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: Welcome back on the Car Doctor. Let's get over and 574 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: talk to David in Chicago. Oh five you wick rendezvous, David. 575 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor, Sir. How can I help? Yeah? 576 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: I got point for with and randomly um was in 577 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: the last three months, four months. It will just um die, 578 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: wake me to stop um at random, no warning sign, 579 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: you never know what it's gonna happen type of thing. No, 580 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: and it happens so smoothly that you're stopping. And the 581 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: only way you know it dies that the battery comes on. 582 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't. It's not really not feel anything. Isn't something 583 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: like so a couple of basics just to cover the bases, 584 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: you know, when when I'm faced with this situation here 585 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: I am again, I've got to I've got to know 586 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: what's good, I've got to know what's bad. I want 587 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: to make sure maintenance is up to date. One of 588 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: the things I always stopped to consider on a STOLL, 589 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 1: on any vehicle, is cleanliness of the throttle plate. All right, 590 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: I want to make good within the last three four months, good, good, good, 591 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: So the throttle plates clean. I also want to make sure, 592 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: and this is this is gonna sound strange, I also 593 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: want to make sure the battery terminals are clean and tight. 594 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: I have seen some strange things, particularly now I'm gonna 595 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: tell you exact GM, particularly at a GM older GM vehicles. 596 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: Dirty terminals, dirty side terminals, loose side terminals have caused 597 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: some really funky problems to occur on older GM vehicle. 598 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: So just you know, humor the old mechanic, just take 599 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: a look at it. Make sure they're good, clean and tight. 600 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: What's what's what's sort of common on an intermittent problem 601 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: like this is two things come to mind. Is do 602 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: you think it's when the car is running hot? Or 603 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: is it more likely to happen hot versus cold starting 604 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: out first thing in the morning. Yes, it's usually when 605 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: we've been driving for a while, like or okay, perfect 606 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: will it will it restart right away right away? So 607 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, if it didn't restart right away, and even 608 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: if it does restart right away, I would stop to 609 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: consider an ignition module as a possible fault. I'm kind 610 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: of tough to prove out on the road. Uh. Usually 611 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: the ignition module fault is one where the module got 612 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: overheated and it won't restart right away, and there's some 613 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: testing you'll end up doing in the bay if we're 614 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: dealing with an intermittent, you know, on the road type 615 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: of the thing, and it restarts right away. Take a 616 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: look at you know where the a C accumulated there 617 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: is the big silver can Take a look at the 618 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: wiring harness. Is it wraps around the accumulator. The harness 619 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: for the ignition module goes through that um goes through 620 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: that loom and they're they're known to they rub up 621 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: against the accumulator and every once in a while and 622 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: and it's like turning the key off. Take a look 623 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: at take a look at that wiring harness very carefully. 624 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: If that doesn't do it for you, give me a 625 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: call back. We'll talk again. Okay, You're very welcome. You 626 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: take good care. Five five zero nine zero zero. The 627 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: Car Doctors coming back right after this. Welcome back. We're 628 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: on any of the Car Doctor five zero ninezero zero 629 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: Car Doctor phone number if you're listening on podcast, or 630 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: you're listening on the stream, or you're listening for an affiliate, 631 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: that takes it on de lay zero nine zero zero. 632 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: Just like Stephanie from sugar Hill, New Hampshire is about 633 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: too and we can talk to you about your car problem. Stephanie. 634 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor. Hey, thanks for having me. 635 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: Good morning or afternoon, Actually it's one of the other. 636 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: It's always got to be one of the other. Actually 637 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: it could be good evening too, so you've got a 638 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: choice of three. So, but what's going on? How can 639 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: I help? Have Acura and the driver's side door is 640 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: doesn't want to open, It doesn't appear to be mechanically jammed. 641 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: There is some type of electrical issue. And a local 642 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: mechanics who's a really great guy, Um got in there. 643 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: Didn't take out the car seat and pull the whole 644 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: panel off, but he kind of tilted the panel out 645 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: and looked in it and he wasn't able to figure 646 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: out what the electrical problem was. Well, ever, you hear 647 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: of anything like this. Yeah, once in a while, the 648 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: the the actuators, the latch mechanisms stick or it's it's this. 649 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: If it's what I think it is, it's this really 650 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: cheesy solenoid built into the latch assembly that is stuck. 651 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: And you know, there's one of two ways I've seen 652 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: it resolved. If it's what I'm thinking of. If you 653 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: really think it's electrical that's holding it on, something's being applied. 654 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: What would happen if you disconnected the battery, that would 655 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: that would kill it electrically, and it might release it mechanically. 656 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two, Uh, you know maybe and 657 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: you know, mechanical guys, I shouldn't say this, but I 658 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: think I have to. It's not mechanical guys aren't necessarily 659 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: geared towards body stuff all the time. And I've seen 660 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: people have better experience at body shops because what you 661 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: have to think about is, let's say the car got 662 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: hit in the front and now the driver's door doesn't open, 663 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 1: but there's no physical damage. A body shop is geared 664 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: towards removing body components without damaging and them hopefully um 665 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: and they might have a better understanding and you know better. Recall, 666 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: they've taken more doors and door panels, aparts and most mechanics, 667 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 1: and they're gonna be able to get that door open 668 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: without damaging it, if that makes sense. So I would 669 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: actually try and talk to your local body shop and 670 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: see if somebody's you know, got the ability to open 671 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: that without taking it apart. And it kind of saves 672 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: you some labor instead of having to you know, take 673 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: the seat, the door panel, et cetera. Off. It's a 674 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: little bit of a quicker and easier method of doing it. 675 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: And so, you know, sometimes they can go down from 676 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: the inside with the jimmy tools the door jim jimmy 677 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: tools as we call them, and uh, you know, disabled 678 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: the latch of the mechanism that way. All right, try that, 679 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: see if that works either one of those two, and 680 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: give us a call back next week. Let us know 681 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: how that works out for you. I'm sorry, the clock's 682 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 1: gonna take me. I'm not an any in the car doctor. 683 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. Let's see you