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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Ooh, Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: buck Sexton Show. I hope all of you had fantastic

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Speaker 1: weekends and are ready to roll with us for the

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Speaker 1: next five days of what promises to be a very,

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Speaker 1: very consequential week as we continue to follow several different stories.

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Speaker 1: What is going to happen in Israel with Hamas? When

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Speaker 1: might the ground invasion begin? We will discuss to start

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Speaker 1: the show here. Momentarily, nine different members of the House

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Speaker 1: of Representatives, the Republican Caucus have thrown their hats into

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Speaker 1: the ring to potentially be the next Speaker of the

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Speaker 1: House as the ongoing mess that exists inside of the

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Speaker 1: House continues to build. The New York Times has apologized

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Speaker 1: for believing Hamas when they said that a rocket struck

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Speaker 1: a hospital and killed five hundred people and uncritically parroting

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Speaker 1: what is clearly a terrorist propaganda. We will discuss all

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Speaker 1: that and more, plus in a much less serious fashion.

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Speaker 1: Buck has a puppy, and I'm not sure if he's

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Speaker 1: going to be able to handle a puppy as he

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Speaker 1: potentially prepares for fatherhood. Going forward, we will discuss. But

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Speaker 1: how's the puppy? By the way, right off the top,

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Speaker 1: what is the name of the puppy? Let's start with

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Speaker 1: good news this week. You have a puppy. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to be anti puppy. What is the puppy's name?

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Speaker 2: Ginger?

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Speaker 1: Geez very pictures are up at the website. What kind

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Speaker 1: of dog is Ginger? An Australian Labradoodle. Okay, I don't

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Speaker 1: I remember we talked about this. That is a very

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Speaker 1: specific breed. Pictures are up on the website. The website

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Speaker 1: will now be flooded. So if you are feeling stressed

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Speaker 1: by all of the hyper serious news that is currently

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Speaker 1: underway by US potentially having a full grown conflagration of

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Speaker 1: war breaking out on many fronts in the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: what we got in Europe, and who knows what China

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Speaker 1: is going to do. If all that's got you down,

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Speaker 1: the puppy is really cute, you can go check it.

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Speaker 2: Out planbuck dot com. Photos are up.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, buck, let's talk about the serious stuff now.

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Speaker 1: But again, there are puppy pictures up. If you need

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Speaker 1: a relief from the serious things that are going on.

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Speaker 1: Things have gotten so bad. You know, you want to

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Speaker 1: talk about disinformation. You want to talk about misinformation. People

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Speaker 1: who are out there defending Hamas and arguing that Israel

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Speaker 1: is unjustified, and their response have been incessant in their

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Speaker 1: questioning of any report that has come down about the

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Speaker 1: atrocities perpetrated by Hamas on the fourteen hundred Israelis who

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Speaker 1: were slaughtered in their terror attack of October seventh, that

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Speaker 1: drum beat of criticism like I don't even know, I

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Speaker 1: go in my mentions, buck, and when I said that

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Speaker 1: forty kids were beheaded or whatever, there were you know,

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Speaker 1: bodies discarded. There are now people saying, well, their heads

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Speaker 1: weren't chopped off till after they were already dead. Maybe

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Speaker 1: their heads weren't fully severed. I'm thinking of myself, is

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Speaker 1: this really the common Rember? We had the reporter on

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Speaker 1: who initially brought that news, which much of it has

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Speaker 1: been confirmed, and regardless of the manner and method in

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Speaker 1: which these young innocence met their demise, they shared some images, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: of babies that have been burned to death. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the kids are dead, and this is a terror attack.

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Speaker 1: And so the way that these stories are being attacked

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Speaker 1: is super strange. But the Israeli government, Yeah, buck No,

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Speaker 1: I was just.

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Speaker 3: Saying, it's really government has released unedited video of and

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Speaker 3: I've seen some of it, and I would tell everybody

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Speaker 3: again it's you know, it's the kind of stuff that

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Speaker 3: I'm not a big general generally, I'm not a content

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Speaker 3: warning person. I think that you know, adults can handle

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Speaker 3: the realities of the world and life around us as

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Speaker 3: ugly and horrific as it can be. This goes to

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Speaker 3: the worst kind of things imaginable, and it is on video.

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Speaker 2: It's on video.

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Speaker 3: It should be understood because Hamas wanted.

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Speaker 2: It on video.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because they were celebrating this, which also goes to,

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Speaker 3: you know, part of the spasm of denial and all

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Speaker 3: the you know, yes, there's all this anti semitism that

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Speaker 3: fought against. I think the depth of the anti semitism

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Speaker 3: a wake up call. But Clay, there's also I think

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Speaker 3: We know who the good guys are, we know who

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Speaker 3: the bad guys are. Israel is the good guy. The

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Speaker 3: IDF Hamas is the bad guy. And I know that

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Speaker 3: can sound simplistic, but it's important to understand the most

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Speaker 3: simple concepts here because there are a lot of people

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Speaker 3: that are trying to confuse things and conflate things. What

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Speaker 3: Israel is about to do and there were hundreds of

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Speaker 3: airstrikes in just the last few days in Gaza. There

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Speaker 3: is a humanitarian corridor that has opened up in the

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Speaker 3: south to get aid and supplies to the civilians to

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Speaker 3: some degree. But Clay, this is the definition of a

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Speaker 3: just war. What Israel is about to do is the

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Speaker 3: war theory of justified conflict, and that's why you see

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Speaker 3: this artists call for ceasefire. This you see this, This

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Speaker 3: is all these celebrities that are saying, oh, now it's

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Speaker 2: No, you can't have a ceasefire.

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Speaker 3: In the aftermath of I mean, imagine if someone called

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Speaker 3: what this is basically, except it's Zerel instead of the

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Speaker 3: United States. I think that people can't actually psychologically those

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Speaker 3: who are you know, pro Palestinian and it's part of

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Speaker 3: their identity to be part to be supporting the victimhood

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Speaker 3: class here Clay, I think that they can't psychologically accept

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Speaker 3: that there's no coming back from this, that Hamas has

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Speaker 3: to be destroyed.

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Speaker 1: It's a cognitive dissonance, I think in many ways because

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Speaker 1: crazy I think for some of us who were older

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Speaker 1: if you have been colonized, you can get away with anything.

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Speaker 1: And it is this basic construct that creates if you're

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Speaker 1: a white European of white European descent. You are evil

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Speaker 1: Western civilization, which actually gave us virtually every bit of

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Speaker 1: modern day progress. In this retelling is actually a usurpation

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Speaker 1: of minority rights and life. But what it leads to,

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Speaker 1: Buck is and I think this is all tied together.

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Speaker 1: They have to actually release these graphic videos in order

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Speaker 1: And this is Trey Yengst who's been covering things this

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Speaker 1: the journalists that watched these videos and Buck, you'll remember,

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Speaker 1: I think it was two weeks ago I shared the

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Speaker 1: photos that the IDF, the Israeli Defense Force, put out

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Speaker 1: to allow people to be able to see these young

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Speaker 1: of it because people were saying this wasn't true. Here

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Speaker 4: I do need to warn our viewers. What I am

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Speaker 4: about to describe is incredibly graphic, but it gives new

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Speaker 4: details on what took place two weeks ago. In the video,

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Speaker 4: you see a Hamas militant. He is in a white

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Speaker 4: cloth jumpsuit sitting across from an Israeli interrogator. In the video,

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Speaker 4: he describes the preparation and coordination for this assault on

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Speaker 4: after you killed them? He described them And we can't

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Speaker 3: Clay, there's there's no coming back from this for those

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Speaker 3: who are Hama sympathizers and those who will excuse anything

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Speaker 3: for the Palestinian cause. Uh, this is the ultimate red line.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's why you've seen, you know, there

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Speaker 1: We got a clip in Brooklyn. I was going to

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Speaker 1: listen to this, Clay.

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Speaker 3: This is this is a retreat, a literal retreat to

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Speaker 3: people who are are you know, pro Palestinian, and there's

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Speaker 3: varying degrees of anti Semitism that that comes along with

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Speaker 3: Then hey, maybe the UN can come in, there'll be

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Speaker 3: some resolution, we'll figure something out. Offers of two states

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Speaker 3: have been made numerous times. Hamas and the various Palestinian

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Speaker 3: like this oppressive Israeli entity, you know, the apartheid state,

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Speaker 3: all the stuff, all the college campus rhetoric and the

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Speaker 3: And so all these calls for ceespar all this stuff, Clay,

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Speaker 3: It's it's absurd, it's actually it's actually immoral totally.

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Speaker 1: And what they're chanting, by the way, in Brooklyn settler

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Speaker 1: settlers go back home, and again it's this whole idea

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Speaker 1: even because Buck, this is only this whole idea of colonization,

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Speaker 1: has only really taken root in the last twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know when you were in college

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Speaker 1: and we both went to the East Coast for college,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember this being any part of what I

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Speaker 1: we both went to liberal colleges. It's not like we

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Speaker 1: to be teaching colonization. But this has really taken root,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I I the rhetoric about israel Is in

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Speaker 3: apartheid state and all those things. I think my campus,

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Speaker 3: the Pioneer Valley of Massachusetts, and it was true campus lunas.

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Speaker 3: You remember, as I've said before on the show, they

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Speaker 3: And the whole point was being made by those individuals.

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Speaker 3: always leftists, they're always and you know, they're oh, it's

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Speaker 1: Gonna get to with you, Buck in a moment. The

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Speaker 3: The attack on Israel is such an affront to basic humanity,

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Speaker 3: it's such an assault on civilization. It's such a clear

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Speaker 3: act of the worst barbarism, and evil is the most

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Speaker 3: appropriate term for it. I think it's hard for the

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Speaker 3: minds of true believing leftists to understand that there really

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Speaker 3: is something that is that clear cut, that that evil.

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Speaker 3: You know, that the good guys and the bad guys

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Speaker 3: can be that distinct, because if it's true on that,

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Speaker 3: it might be true on other issues as well that

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Speaker 3: they haven't considered.

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Speaker 1: I think this is so important. And I think this

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Speaker 1: is for parents and grandparents out there who have young kids.

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Speaker 1: And I think about this obviously because I've got three

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Speaker 1: fifteen or younger. They haven't error actually seen evil, Buck.

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Speaker 1: They have been told that opinions that they don't like

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Speaker 1: are evil, or that presidents that they don't like are Nazi,

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Speaker 1: but they haven't really seen the slaughter of innocence on

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Speaker 1: a scale like we saw in Israel. And so when

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Speaker 1: your entire world, buck has been created around the concept

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Speaker 1: of world's words are are evil, silence is violence, you

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Speaker 1: don't have the ability to even comprehend true evil and

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Speaker 1: you can't identify it as such. And I think part

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Speaker 1: of it's probably an abandonment of religion, because religion does teach,

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Speaker 1: and I think this is perfect example of that that

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Speaker 1: there is true good and evil in the United in

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Speaker 1: the world, but there hasn't actually been evil on a

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Speaker 1: broad scale in the United States perpetrated like this. You've

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Speaker 1: had individual actors, right who might go out and take

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Speaker 1: a gun to a Walmart or something like that.

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Speaker 3: You know, to your point about the recognition of evil

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Speaker 3: and the and the ability of the left and the

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Speaker 3: call it the politically fashionable left, which the you know,

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Speaker 3: young in this country unfortunately are very much you know,

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Speaker 3: seduced by the political fashions of the left in the moment.

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Speaker 3: Look at the clarity with which they will in their

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Speaker 3: minds address the issue of Ukraine and Russia. Where yes,

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Speaker 3: Russia is and look, Russia is an aggressor in the

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Speaker 3: wrong here. But they they can see Russia as the

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Speaker 3: monstrous evil because they've been they've been told to and

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Speaker 3: instead of approaching this with the same understanding, because it's

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Speaker 3: not innate to them, it's whatever the orders are from

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Speaker 3: on high right, it's whatever the hive mind decides.

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Speaker 2: With Hamas and Israel.

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Speaker 3: It should be even easier after an incident, like infinitely

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Speaker 3: easier than Ukraine and Russia to pick the bat side.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Ukraine and Russia, there's a whole lot

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Speaker 3: of conversation that you know, we could have about it's also.

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Speaker 1: Two bad white guys, I'll point out, because so much

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Speaker 1: of this is a racial characterization, yes.

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Speaker 3: And and that that's why, I mean, you've seen with

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Speaker 3: some of the BLM groups, et cetera in this in

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Speaker 3: this country, they immediately view this conflict through a anti

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Speaker 3: colonial and racial lens. And let's be clear, anti colonialism

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Speaker 3: is all about racism. That's the whole point. Is that

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Speaker 3: starting at the age of exploration and you know, roughly

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Speaker 3: you know, well fourteen ninety two, but I was gonna

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Speaker 3: say roughly the fifteen hundreds onwards, there were Western European

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Speaker 3: countries that were colonizing non white countries around the world.

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Speaker 3: So anti colonialism is at its core a racial issue,

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Speaker 3: and so these things all get mixed in together in

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Speaker 3: the view of the left.

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Speaker 2: But Clay, it's it's a wake up call.

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Speaker 3: And I actually you've been saying you think that people

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Speaker 3: have been you know, red pilled a bit on this issue.

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Speaker 3: I am seeing more evidence of that with the days

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Speaker 3: going by. I don't know how it will affect let's say,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. I don't think it might be critical

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Speaker 3: mass like that, but it is happening and it's and

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Speaker 3: I get people reaching out to me. I have Jewish

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Speaker 3: neighbors who have told me they feel safe for knowing

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Speaker 3: that I'm nearby and armed. For example, you know it

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Speaker 3: actually happened to me. There was like, Oh, I'm glad

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Speaker 3: you're here, You've been trained, and I know you know

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Speaker 3: you believe in the Second Amendment to our neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: I mean, think about the level.

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Speaker 3: Of of of anxiety that that that Jewish people in

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Speaker 3: this country right now feel. First of all, the heartbreak

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Speaker 3: of what happened to their Jewish brothers and sisters in Israel,

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Speaker 3: but beyond that, you were just talking about possible infiltration,

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Speaker 3: I mean the possibility of this happening here and the

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Speaker 3: the sense that there's a lack of security because of

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Speaker 3: all the anti Semitism out there. You know, this is

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Speaker 3: going to be a fight. We're in for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 1: If you have kids and you are Jewish right now

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Speaker 1: and you have had to see what Hamas did to

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Speaker 1: those innocent Jewish kids, I would imagine. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: it's hard for me to see it, and obviously I'm

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Speaker 1: not Jewish. I don't have a direct atta connection to

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Speaker 1: that where someone is being killed because of who they are,

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Speaker 1: directly targeted by terrorists, because of who they are, their

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Speaker 1: religious faith, things that they don't have any control over

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Speaker 1: at all, what ethnicity they happen to be, in a

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Speaker 1: real targeted manner, and you're hearing those same people say,

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Speaker 1: and we have to do this again, or we're going

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Speaker 1: to have a day of vengeance or a day of violence.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine when you are dropping your kids off

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Speaker 1: at school or a daycare, wherever you start your day,

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Speaker 1: there is a sick feeling in the pit of your

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Speaker 1: stomach where you think to yourself, even though you realize

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Speaker 1: the statistical anomaly that it might be, is this the

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Speaker 1: day that a terror group comes after my kids and

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Speaker 1: tries to do to them what they did to all

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Speaker 1: those kids in Israel. I think that's a very real

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Speaker 1: feeling in the pit of your stomach. It's a basic

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Speaker 1: human emotion. I don't know how you couldn't feel that way,

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Speaker 1: and to see people out there justifying it. If you

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Speaker 1: have been voting on the left, I don't see how

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Speaker 1: you couldn't have a moment of moral reckoning where you

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Speaker 1: sit around and think, I thought we were all on

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Speaker 1: the same side, and now you're defending the people who

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Speaker 1: are murdering.

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Speaker 2: Me because of my ethnicity.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine that members of our armed forces are

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent volunteers. They choose the roles to protect

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Speaker 1: our freedoms, prepare themselves for pairless duty if required. That's

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Speaker 1: bravery and preparation and sacrifice. And when they're done serving,

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Speaker 1: they come back to a tight job market, inflation driven

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Speaker 1: price is a tough economic climate. Giving them help after

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Speaker 1: that level of dedication is the right thing to do.

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Speaker 1: That's why Puretalk is proud to shine the spotlight and

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Speaker 1: make a step forward to try to make a huge difference.

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Speaker 1: When you switch your cell phone service to Pure Talk,

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Speaker 1: they'll donate a portion to alleviating veteran debt ten million dollars.

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Speaker 1: After two weeks, they're going to do it on Veterans Day.

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Speaker 1: They've made up over half the money that they're going

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Speaker 1: and as a process, they're going to donate ten million

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Speaker 1: dollars to the eradication of veteran debt. Plans started just

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Speaker 1: twenty bucks a month Unlimited talk text more data mobile

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Speaker 1: hotspot my fifteen year old as a pure talk phone.

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Speaker 1: We use it to be in touch with him, to

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Speaker 1: be able to go all around. Just dial pound two

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Speaker 1: fifty say the keyword Clay and Buck to make the switch.

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Speaker 1: Let's show unwavering support for our veterans. Dial pound two

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Speaker 1: five zero say Clay and Buck switch to pure talk today.

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Speaker 1: It's the right move, It's the American way.

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Speaker 2: They're here to shed lights on the truth every day.

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Speaker 2: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Welcome back, everybody.

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Speaker 3: Bill O'Reilly joins us now.

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Speaker 2: He has eighteen number.

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Speaker 3: One best selling books in his killing series, The Latest

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Speaker 3: Killing the Witches, The Horror of Salem, Massachusetts. I have

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Speaker 3: my copy. I'm excited to be reading it here soon.

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Speaker 3: Also going to Bill O'Reilly dot com for his No

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Speaker 3: Spin news each day during the week. Bill appreciates you

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Speaker 3: being with us. It's been a really gut wrenching news

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Speaker 3: cycle now for a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: I want to start with this.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you just bring your perspective to it,

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Speaker 3: how do you think the administration's handled this so far?

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Speaker 3: How do you think Biden's handled the worst attack on

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Speaker 3: worst attack on Jews in terms of loss of life

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Speaker 3: in one day since the Holocaust contemporaneously.

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Speaker 5: He's handled it okay. He's following the advice of his

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Speaker 5: national security team, and he hasn't screwed up as far

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Speaker 5: as day to day operations are concerned. But the whole

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Speaker 5: thing disorder in the world has declined dramatically in the

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Speaker 5: last three years since he was elected. And that's the

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Speaker 5: major story for Americans to understand. So when you bring

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Speaker 5: in a president as week as Joe Biden, and there's

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Speaker 5: those two sides of that story. Anybody say he's a

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Speaker 5: strong president, SI, they're lying or delusional. When you bring

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Speaker 5: somebody in who's weak, they're going to be unintended consequences

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Speaker 5: of that. So I was having a conversation with an

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Speaker 5: old friend who came into town this weekend. He's a

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Speaker 5: big Biden supporter, and I went, do you understand that

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Speaker 5: under Trump, even though you hate him, there was no

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Speaker 5: disorder in the world. There were problems, but no Ukraine,

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Speaker 5: no Iran ordering Hamas to murder Jews, no China saber

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Speaker 5: rattling over Taiwan to the extent that we have to

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Speaker 5: send warships to the region. We didn't have any of that.

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Speaker 5: Does that matter to you? And you know what, it didn't.

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Speaker 5: The guy hates Trump so much it wouldn't matter what

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Speaker 5: Biden did. And that's pretty sad. Bill.

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Speaker 1: First of all, much less serious. My dad read Killing

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Speaker 1: the Witches. My mom is halfway through. They pilforded out

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Speaker 1: of my house, so they didn't buy a coffee. I

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Speaker 1: got a free one, thank you. But they both say

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Speaker 1: that it's genuinely fantastic. They have really enjoyed it, so

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Speaker 1: they wanted me to let you know. They couldn't stop

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Speaker 1: talking about it when I saw him over the weekend.

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Speaker 5: So that's going nice, Clay. I mean it shows you

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Speaker 5: have very smart parents.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 5: You know, we're telling everybody this is the best Halloween book,

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Speaker 5: with apologies to Edgar Allan Poe, that you can find.

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Speaker 5: But it's a very serious book in the sense that

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Speaker 5: the witch on his back in the form of cancel culture.

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Speaker 5: And you can extend that to the news cycle that

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Speaker 5: Buck was just talking about. In New York over the weekend.

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Speaker 5: You guys know this. There are five thousand people, many

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Speaker 5: of whom taunting the police, trying to close down avenues

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Speaker 5: in the city, and you saw a social disorder here

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Speaker 5: at a very high level. No respect to the police whatsoever,

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Speaker 5: no respect for their safety. I don't mind people demonstrating

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Speaker 5: in favor of Palestine. I mean, you know Palestinian people. Look,

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Speaker 5: that's freedom of speech. I understand the issue. And anybody

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Speaker 5: who says it's a cease fire, I mean, what are

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Speaker 5: you doing. Do we have a cease fire after nine

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Speaker 5: to eleven without Kaita? Anybody call for that? No? Why

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Speaker 5: would you call for it now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: And so you know when I say cancel. Culture is

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Speaker 5: a new witch hunt in the world that these nuts

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Speaker 5: live in. The people out there taunting the police. They're noble.

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Speaker 5: They think that they're the best, and that if you

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Speaker 5: don't agree with them, you should be hurt, and without

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Speaker 5: any due process, which is what they did in Salem.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, I wrote That's why I wrote the book

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Speaker 5: because switch on his back. But I appreciate your parents

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Speaker 5: reading it, and you had to buy a bunch of

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Speaker 5: copies for your other relatives.

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Speaker 2: I'll make sure he does, Bill, I'll hold him to it.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm getting I'm gonna be honest with you, Bill,

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Speaker 1: You and I I think are on the right side here.

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Speaker 1: Still about Biden not being the nominee in twenty four bye.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to let I just want to

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Speaker 1: lay it out. Buck is Buck. I've been getting nervous

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Speaker 1: about this, all right. We're almost a Halloween, right, Thanksgiving

655
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Speaker 1: everybody kind of shuts down, families get together, then you

656
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Speaker 1: got Christmas.

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Speaker 2: New Year's.

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Speaker 1: Are you getting nervous that the Democrats are actually crazy

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Speaker 1: enough to run Biden and he isn't going to be

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Speaker 1: the nominee or do you still believe they're going to

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Speaker 1: find a way to force him out?

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Speaker 5: Number one, I never get nervous. I make other people.

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Speaker 2: That is a great line.

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Speaker 5: All right, Biden can resign up to convention time. Yep. Okay,

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Speaker 5: so well, there's no time crush right now. Number three,

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Speaker 5: if you follow the news cycle, the Oversight Committee came

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Speaker 5: out with the check yep, from Jim Biden to Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden for two hundred thousand dollars unexplained. We don't know

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Speaker 5: whether Biden put that check on his income tax return.

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Speaker 5: That's the next big thing. The check was allegedly written

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Speaker 5: the day that Jim Biden the brother, got six hundred

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Speaker 5: thousand dollars from a medical corporation in distress that hired

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Speaker 5: Jim Biden to try to find a financial company to

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Speaker 5: bail out the medical company. Now, why would you hire

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Speaker 5: Jim Biden to do that? Jim Biden has no juice. Okay,

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Speaker 5: So what I'm saying to you is this is a

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Speaker 5: stare step. It's one after the other after the other

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Speaker 5: after the other. And when you combined the mental acuity

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Speaker 5: declining with the financial scandal growing, I don't see how

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Speaker 5: the man runs. And then listen, if Buck is right,

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Speaker 5: then we'll take him out to dinner. Right.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I want I want a steak

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Speaker 3: on Bill O'Reilly and Clay if this is right, or

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Speaker 3: I'll have one of Bill's famous pot roasts or something.

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Speaker 3: You know, We'll we'll have to get something going here.

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Speaker 3: Let me let me ask you this then Bill to

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Speaker 3: that end, let let's just say that that's something. And

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Speaker 3: I've said all along, to be fair, the one thing

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Speaker 3: that kind of makes this clay is it is it

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Speaker 3: a push when the bets are Is that right?

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Speaker 2: What's the push?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: The one thing that kind of all bets are off

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Speaker 3: situation is obviously if Biden has a major health issue

696
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Speaker 3: which's old enough that could that could happen and that

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Speaker 3: could come out of nowhere? Now is he going to

698
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: say he has one versus does he actually have one?

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Speaker 3: That's something that people might debate if and when the

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Speaker 3: time comes, God forbid. But do you think they could

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Speaker 3: go forward with combo that or do you still think

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Speaker 3: that you had to a broke her convention situation? Than

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Speaker 3: then the DNC comes forward with somebody, I mean, what

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Speaker 3: is your assuming that you're you know, you're not sweating

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Speaker 3: this one? Is you is your sense that at the

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Speaker 3: convention the Democrats just put forward a consensus candidate or

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Speaker 3: do they think that against Donald Trump with all the indictments,

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris might actually be able to get it done

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Speaker 3: if she ascends.

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Speaker 5: If they were, if the Democratic Party were confident in

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Speaker 5: Kamala Harris, she would already be front and center. All right.

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Speaker 5: So it's like, if you, anybody listening to us right now,

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Speaker 5: have a problem in your life, you have a plan

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Speaker 5: B or if you don't, you're a moron. Okay, So

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Speaker 5: if this doesn't work out, I'm going to go do this.

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Speaker 5: There's not any do this with Kamala Harris and the

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Speaker 5: Democratic Party. She couldn't be more invisible couldn't be. I

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Speaker 5: mean Claude Rains in the Invisible Man was seen more

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Speaker 5: than Vice President Harris. Okay, so they know she's a disaster. Now,

720
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Speaker 5: if Biden is has to resign for medical reasons, she'll

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Speaker 5: be a placeholder. She'll have a game done, but she'll

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Speaker 5: be there. But I would assume there'll be a wide

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Speaker 5: open scurry for the nomination, and people don't understand how

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Speaker 5: it works. You don't have to win the primaries to

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Speaker 5: get the nomination. You have to show up to Chicago

726
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Speaker 5: and convince the delegates there that they should give their

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Speaker 5: votes to you on the premises at the convention. Michelle

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Speaker 5: Obama wanted to run for president, for example, she's not

729
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Speaker 5: going to go to Iowa to campaign's not going to

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Speaker 5: do any of that. Suld just show up and she

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Speaker 5: lives right down the street. She just kinda walk on over. Ay,

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Speaker 5: I'm ready, and they'll go okay, and that's how it'll

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Speaker 5: go down.

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Speaker 1: So you still think it'll be Michelle Obama as the nominee.

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Speaker 5: No, No, I don't because I've seen no indications from

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Speaker 5: the former first Lady.

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Speaker 2: So who would you get?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's an interesting point if you had to

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Speaker 1: pick somebody. I've said Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 3: I did actually want to ask Bill can I can

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Speaker 3: I piggyback on one of your Do you think that

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Speaker 3: Gretchen Whitmer or Gavin Newsom is more formidable in the

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Speaker 3: eyes of the DNC.

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Speaker 5: Well, Gavin Newsom with the attack on parents in California,

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Speaker 5: it's over. It's over for him. And most Americans don't

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Speaker 5: know what I'm talking about. But Sacramento has passed a

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Speaker 5: series of bills basically saying that the state will take

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Speaker 5: your child away if your chriald wants to be taken away,

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Speaker 5: no welfare services, no child protection agency, if the child

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Speaker 5: doesn't want to live with you older than twelve, John

751
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Speaker 5: cam just both stay, will take care of the child.

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Speaker 5: Are you kidding me? And once you get into that territory,

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Speaker 5: just like Youngkin in Virginia who beat mccallough because McColloch said,

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Speaker 5: your parents shouldn't have to raise your choulder and where

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Speaker 5: school will tell you what to do, remember that that

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Speaker 5: was the end to him. Well, once the Republicans start

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Speaker 5: to actually spotlight what Gavin Newsom has done, and then

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Speaker 5: I'll just show just show pictures of San Francisco and

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Speaker 5: Los Angeles. It's all you need to do. Trump would

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Speaker 5: beat him by eight or nine points.

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Speaker 2: That would be fair. So who do you think they

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Speaker 2: would pick? Who would be their option?

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Speaker 5: If you know some buddy who's kind of not well

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Speaker 5: known so that you know Whitmer. I don't know Whitmer.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know we're but I don't have any

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Speaker 5: feeling for the woman. I know she's a progressive leftist,

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Speaker 5: but they all are. You know, maybe some governor someplace

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Speaker 5: who's done. Okay. I really don't follow the pont Pardy

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Speaker 5: politics like that. I'm not that interested in it. But

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Speaker 5: the Democrats have a huge problem. And if they had anybody,

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Speaker 5: they would have already said to Joe Biden, hey, you're

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Speaker 5: you're gonna be a Rutherford B. Hayes. I'm sorry you guys,

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Speaker 5: but one term. That's it. And Pope James both both

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Speaker 5: Hayes and Pokes, and I'm only going to run for

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Speaker 5: one term. It's all bideness to do. But because it's

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Speaker 5: if you think he's bad now, project out three years

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Speaker 5: from now.

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Speaker 2: No, well, he can't finish the second term. There's no way. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean way, Bill O'Reilly.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you. We'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 3: off right now. We're joined by our friend Carol Markwitch.

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Speaker 3: He's a columnist for the New York Host and also

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Speaker 3: and you can hear the Carol Markwick Show. Carol, appreciate

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Speaker 3: you being with us. It's been very tough news in

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Speaker 3: the news cycles lately, but we really wanted your perspective.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for being here.

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Speaker 6: Thank you guys for having me. You've been fantastic on

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Speaker 6: this issue. I really appreciate all of it very much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's you know, it's it's emotional for us. It's

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Speaker 3: emotional for us, and I think I know I can

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Speaker 3: speak for this audience and saying that the sense of

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Speaker 3: solidarity that we have and we feel with Israel and

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Speaker 3: with the Jewish people in Israel and around the world

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Speaker 3: is something that's that's essential and right now so appreciated. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: right now, Carol, What is it that is going on

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Speaker 3: in this country and in other Western countries as well?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't you know, I can't expect anything

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Speaker 3: what they're doing on the streets of Tehran. I mean

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Speaker 3: it's a you know, murderous dictatorshiping with but London, New York,

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Speaker 3: Western countries, places where we've lived, places where we expect

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Speaker 3: some of these big rallies you're seeing that are pro Palestinian.

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Speaker 3: How do you, as as not just a calumnist and

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Speaker 3: a person who follows issue closely, but as a as

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Speaker 3: a dear friend of ours and as a as a

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Speaker 3: Jewish person, as an American? How do you feel about this?

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 6: It's a really scary time, you know, Clay mentioned this,

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Speaker 6: but I moving to Florida and living in Florida has

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Speaker 6: been sort of the solace here because I feel so

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Speaker 6: safe in Florida. I went shooting this weekend, you know,

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Speaker 6: with some mutual friends of ours, and it felt really

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Speaker 6: good to feel like I could protect myself here. That

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Speaker 6: our family can protect themselves. But I think a lot

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Speaker 6: of Jews around the world need to be asking themselves.

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Speaker 6: Do I live somewhere where anybody cares about protecting me,

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Speaker 6: and where they let me protect myself. There's been a

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Speaker 6: giant shift, and I think what happened in a lot

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Speaker 6: countries as far as Jews are concerned, as far as

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Speaker 6: Israel is concerned. But a lot of these places, London, Paris,

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Speaker 6: you know, just Sweden, they let in a lot of

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Speaker 6: people who do not match their values and who believe

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Speaker 6: that it's okay when you disagree with somebody to condone murder.

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Speaker 6: And I'm sorry, you know, it used to be that

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Speaker 6: we used to believe that that is not okay. You

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Speaker 6: guys are talking about, you know Thomas Friedman earlier. A

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Speaker 6: lot of people have suddenly shifted their perspectives. It used

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Speaker 6: to be that you had to take a stand in

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Speaker 6: order to be moral, and now you get this kind

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Speaker 6: of be like, well, both sides, I don't know, could

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Speaker 6: be either one really here. It could be the ones

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Speaker 6: who invaded southern Israel and slaughtered toddlers and kidnapped grandma's.

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Speaker 7: Or it could be the ones.

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Speaker 6: Who are taking weeks to get into a ground invasion

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Speaker 6: because they're being so careful about civilians.

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Speaker 7: There's a clear choice here.

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Speaker 3: It's not both sides, Carol.

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Speaker 1: Your podcast now part of the Clay and Buck podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: We're excited to have you there. I sometimes look at

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Speaker 1: what Joe Biden is doing walking on the beach while

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Speaker 1: there's at least ten American hostages. I want to give credit.

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Speaker 1: I know your family's Dallas Cowboy fans might paying you

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Speaker 1: a bit. But last night Philadelphia Eagles, Buck left ten

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Speaker 1: open seats and they draped him in American flags in

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Speaker 1: honor of the ten American hostages that still remain in Hamas.

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Speaker 1: But Joe Biden just tweeted an hour ago, Carol, as Americans,

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Speaker 1: we must come together and reject Islamophobia and all forms

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Speaker 1: of bigotry and hatred. In his address last week, I

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Speaker 1: believe it's on Thursday night, Carol, Joe Biden mentioned is

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Speaker 1: Lama phobia more than he did Anti Semitism.

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Speaker 2: Right the left in this cut. I mean, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I think I misstated a quote, but I know it's

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Speaker 1: making the round circulating. I wanted to get your reaction

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Speaker 1: to that. But also this, Barie Weiss tweeted a lot

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Speaker 1: of people. This is a quote from one of the

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Speaker 1: writers on her site. A lot of people woke up

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Speaker 1: on October seventh as liberals and went to bed as conservatives.

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Speaker 2: What changed? How would you assessed?

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Speaker 7: That writer is Constantine Kissen.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's the right thing, Yes piece, that piece.

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Speaker 6: Is really good. What changed is that a lot of

895
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Speaker 6: people realized that they were They thought that all of

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Speaker 6: their friends were on the side of civilization and on

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Speaker 6: the side of like don't kill babies, and suddenly it

898
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Speaker 6: seemed that they woke up and their friends did not

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Speaker 6: care at all. You know, I have to say as

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Speaker 6: a conservative, that was not my experience. A lot of

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Speaker 6: my friends reached out to me. A lot of people

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Speaker 6: on Twitter have offered support, people like you two have

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Speaker 6: been again incredible, Megan Kelly has been incredible. Just so many,

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Speaker 6: so many people on the right have been fantastic, and

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Speaker 6: I didn't have this sense of wow, where are my friends.

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Speaker 6: I haven't unfriended anybody. I had to block some trolls

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Speaker 6: on Twitter, but I haven't you know, cut out any actual.

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Speaker 7: Friends during this time. But I think for a lot

909
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Speaker 7: of liberals this.

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Speaker 6: Was an eye opener and they suddenly realized that what

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Speaker 6: their grandparents were talking about, you know, from the thirties

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Speaker 6: and forties, is could easily happen now.

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Speaker 7: And that some of their friends would just help them

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Speaker 7: onto the cattle carts.

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Speaker 6: And I think that that is an eye opener. Constantine, actually,

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Speaker 6: I would say probably is left of center, and I

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Speaker 6: think he's in the last few years, has you know,

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Speaker 6: woken up quote unquote, because he is against the woke

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Speaker 6: virus that's captured so many of our institutions.

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Speaker 7: And I think this has been.

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Speaker 6: Just another step in the direction of realizing that the

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Speaker 6: left is a problem. And you know, I've seen this

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Speaker 6: happening with Jews for a while. I think Jews are

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Speaker 6: moving rightward. Donald Trump got more Jewish votes than any

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Speaker 6: Republican had gotten before. Ron DeSantis got I think forty

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Speaker 6: percent of the vote in Florida, which is high.

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Speaker 7: I actually think that's.

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Speaker 6: Still low because of you know, the amazing work he's

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Speaker 6: done for Jews in Florida.

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Speaker 7: But I think Jews are moving rightward. They are opening

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Speaker 7: their eyes. I think a lot of liberals whether Jewish

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Speaker 7: or not, are understanding that.

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Speaker 6: Something has really shifted here. And I do think we're

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Speaker 6: going to see people understanding something that they just did

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Speaker 6: not understand before October seventh.

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Speaker 3: Speaking to Carol Markowitz, Please subscribe to the Carol Markowitz

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Speaker 3: Show on the Claim Bock Podcast Network if you haven't

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Speaker 3: heard it. Carol's an important voice on a range of issues,

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Speaker 3: including this one. And Carol, you know we are seeing

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, isn't it the way that the Democrat Party

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Speaker 3: handles this. On the one hand, you know, we don't like,

942
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Speaker 3: we don't go on air and just bashed Joe Biden.

943
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Speaker 3: To bash Joe Biden. Some of Biden's statements on Israel

944
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Speaker 3: have been very good, and we've said that, you know,

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Speaker 3: some of what Biden has said has been very sound

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Speaker 3: on this issue. I mean, I would say i'll lot

947
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Speaker 3: of not all, but a lot of what he said

948
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Speaker 3: has been very sound on this issue. But the part

949
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Speaker 3: of this that I can help but notice as well,

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Speaker 3: is that you never hear whether it's Biden or Schumer

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Speaker 3: or Pelosi, you know, the elder statesmen and states women,

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Speaker 3: if you will, of a Democrat Party such as they

953
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Speaker 3: are saying, Hey, this stuff from Rashida Taleb man ihan Omar,

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Speaker 3: and just more generally that you know, the BLM Chicago organization,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, that is outside of you know, what the

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Speaker 3: Democrat Party is, that is beyond the pale. We condemn that.

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Speaker 3: There seems to be none of that. Am I missing in.

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Speaker 3: Has that happened?

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Speaker 7: No, it really hasn't. And you're right about Joe Biden.

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Speaker 6: He has made some good statements on Israel, but these

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Speaker 6: latest ones about you know, any kind of that that

962
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Speaker 6: there's some sort of like bashing of Islamic's happening.

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Speaker 7: That's simply not true.

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Speaker 6: You look at any of the videos and college campuses,

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Speaker 6: you look at any of the marches and cities, it's

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Speaker 6: Jews being targeted.

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Speaker 7: It's absolutely not Muslims. I think that's just a joke.

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Speaker 7: But the fact is, yeah, he said some good things.

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Speaker 7: It just can we expect Joe Biden to live up

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Speaker 7: to this moment? Like you guys said, he was at

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Speaker 7: the beach this weekend. What kind of president.

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Speaker 6: Goes to the beach when the world is on fire

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Speaker 6: like this? It's just not acceptable. And the fact is,

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Speaker 6: like also, like you said, he doesn't have advisors to say, hey,

975
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Speaker 6: a stroll on the beach is really inappropriate right now,

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Speaker 6: and that is concerning to me. He doesn't have a

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Speaker 6: team around him to say this is not the image

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Speaker 6: that America should be projecting, of a dottering old man

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Speaker 6: strolling on the beach while you know World War three

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Speaker 6: is breaking out around him. I would love to have

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Speaker 6: the Biden administration live up to this moment. I am

982
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Speaker 6: rooting for the Biden administration.

983
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Speaker 7: They are in charge right now.

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Speaker 6: I don't want anything bad to happen while while they're

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Speaker 6: in office.

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Speaker 7: It's just, you know, we should be.

987
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Speaker 6: Rooting for our president. But the fact is, I just

988
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Speaker 6: don't see him living up to this moment, and I

989
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Speaker 6: think his administration is completely unprepared for it. And the

990
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Speaker 6: fact that their allies are some of the biggest America

991
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Speaker 6: and Israel haters around is really not comforting to me.

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Speaker 1: Carol, this is a big discussion, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: that this story in particular necessarily epitomizes it. But we're

994
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Speaker 1: seeing a lot of college kids suddenly realize, hey, wait

995
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Speaker 1: a minute, there can be consequences for some of the

996
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Speaker 1: public opinions I share out there, and there are kids

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Speaker 1: who are losing job offers because they're coming out and

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Speaker 1: they're saying that Hamas was justified or that Israel deserved

999
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Speaker 1: what happened to them? What should in your mind? I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about college kids, not people who are older, although

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Speaker 1: I think you could certainly have that conversation. What do

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Speaker 1: you think is legitimate in terms of a response to

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Speaker 1: people who say Hamas was justified or Israel deserved it

1004
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Speaker 1: in their larger life?

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Speaker 6: It's just how do you watch those videos and think

1006
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Speaker 6: that anybody deserves it? If it was the reverse, if

1007
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Speaker 6: Israel marched into Gaza, beheaded babies, raped women, killed teenagers,

1008
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Speaker 6: took elderly people hostage, I assure you I would not

1009
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Speaker 6: be standing with Israel. It's not a this is my

1010
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Speaker 6: side and that's it. You have to look at what happened.

1011
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 6: They live streamed it, and still people are like, well,

1012
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Speaker 6: I don't know, I'm not sure I saw what I saw.

1013
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Speaker 6: Israel had to present these videos today to journalists to

1014
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Speaker 6: stop this misinformation from spreading. Where the things that we

1015
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Speaker 6: all saw happened and people are denying happened.

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Speaker 7: What do I think should happen to college kids? I'm sorry,

1017
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 7: they're not kids, they're grown ups.

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Speaker 6: At this point, they're old enough to vote, they're old

1019
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 6: enough to join the military, they're old enough to make

1020
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Speaker 6: us live under their rules. For the last decade or so,

1021
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Speaker 6: these college kids have enforced this cancel culture all around.

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Speaker 6: If you wore a MAGA hat, that was okay to

1023
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Speaker 6: destroy your life. I had a piece up on Fox

1024
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Speaker 6: a few days ago where I told the story people

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Speaker 6: might not remember of a student at the University of

1026
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Speaker 6: Virginia who was expelled because she made a negative comment

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Speaker 6: to a BLM protest. She said, you know, you'd make

1028
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 6: good roadkill or something, And she never actually even said that.

1029
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Speaker 6: She didn't say anything like that, and it was a lie,

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Speaker 6: and she still got expelled. So do I feel sorry

1031
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Speaker 6: for these kids who are celebrating the slaughter of other people,

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Speaker 6: of children, et cetera.

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry. I can't feel sorry for them. This is

1034
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Speaker 7: the cancel culture that they created, and that now, yeah,

1035
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Speaker 7: you know, you're going to have to live under the

1036
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 7: circumstances that you've developed for the rest of us. We

1037
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Speaker 7: didn't want this.

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Speaker 6: I didn't want to live in a place where you

1039
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Speaker 6: couldn't say what you thought, even if it was heinous.

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Speaker 7: But that's where we are. And unfortunately that's you know,

1041
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Speaker 7: where we're going to have to be for a while.

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Speaker 6: There's also a great piece by Mary Katherine ham today

1043
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Speaker 6: on OutKick where she says, if this is what it

1044
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Speaker 6: used to be before cancel culture, you couldn't go around

1045
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Speaker 6: saying it's okay to kill children and that's fine and

1046
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Speaker 6: hope that your.

1047
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Speaker 3: Job wroken care.

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Speaker 7: This was always an issue you can.

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Speaker 3: Always treated like that this Carol. You know, it's interesting

1050
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Speaker 3: because reasonable people can know reasonable people can understand that, Yeah,

1051
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Speaker 3: sure we believe that we leave in free speech, but

1052
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Speaker 3: you know, calling for the extermination of human beings or

1053
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Speaker 3: celebrating people's murders or deaths like that's that's different than

1054
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Speaker 3: you know, arguing over the marginal tax rate or immigration

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Speaker 3: numbers or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Right, and and.

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Speaker 3: Here we've seen that there are some red lines left

1058
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Speaker 3: for most people. I guess at some level, maybe that's

1059
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Speaker 3: encouraging that even in America today there's a majority. It's

1060
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Speaker 3: obviously all, not all, but there's a majority that understands

1061
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Speaker 3: that it's not okay to have the opinion that anything

1062
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Speaker 3: that happened here with Hamas was anything other than the

1063
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Speaker 3: worst thing that a human being can do right like

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Speaker 3: that's there is no other opinion that a reasonable ethical

1065
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Speaker 3: person could have, and a majority not all, but I

1066
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Speaker 3: think a majority of Americans get that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree. I think that America and Americans have

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Speaker 7: the right.

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Speaker 6: Perspective here in general. And it is allowed minority who

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Speaker 6: is presenting this other point of view and turn turning

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Speaker 6: the paragliders who slaughtered, you know, teenagers at a muse

1072
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Speaker 6: festival into some kind of heroes.

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Speaker 7: I think that that is a minority. They are very loud,

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Speaker 7: and I think that they.

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Speaker 6: Should live up to the consequences of these terrible opinions

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Speaker 6: that they have. Also, the videos of grown people ripping

1077
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Speaker 6: down the kidnap posters in various cities.

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Speaker 7: In Miami, there was a dentist who.

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Speaker 6: Tore down these posters. In New York and in other places,

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Speaker 6: people are pulling down these posters and they're being identified

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